That quick release for the NVME is slick. And the PCIE release. And CAMM2. And the M.2 expansion card. I'm excited to finally seeing some meaningful stuff being added to MOBOs. Though... you were credible Paul, up till the AI stuff near the end ;)
I love how the majority of the world thinks ai is like a week away from taking over but anytime I use it I get confidently incorrect answers to half of my prompts
@@guap3228what is free to use for regular people vs what is actually available to companies that create algorithms that force a video in your feed are completely different
Best part about CAMM: Cooling. 1. Desktop : No need to ditch the front fan on large air coolers. Unless somebody puts insanely oversized coolers on these. 2. Laptop : You won't end up with RAM chips facing the motherboard anymore.
I really liked that GPU with the dragon head in between the fans (rather than covering one of them). Whether it's AI generated or not, if I wanted a show GPU for vertical placement in a windowed case, I'd be willing to shell out extra cash for something like that, even if it's just plastic and has a slight negative impact on cooling performance.
CAMM orientation means we will soon see Tower style heat sinks with fans for it and water cooling blocks for it....AIO's that also includes the CAMM and M.2's aside from the Processor.... Heck we may even see the VRM's included in the water cooling loops... DIY Fest!
@@Mikey109105 because Paul is wrong and it's not actually a a graphics card. It's a re-design of the existing m.2 xpander card. Its essentially a fancy pcie x16 to m.2 adapter.
That M.2 mechanism gives ya that fizz! Lol! That's really, really well executed! Nice work you two! Thanks for keepin us posted and entertained as usual!
i've got the X670E Aorus Master and it takes 2 Hours to change the darn CMOS-Battery (2 weeks later it turned out that the Mobo was default) they gotta rethink the CMOS-Battery placement tbh.
@@HIIMUsc "The mobo was default" Do you mean... defective? If it took you two hours to unscrew the backplate and chipset heatsink, I simply don't know how to help you.
@@tim3172 Just looked at the MoBo and I believe him. Depending on the case and what needs to be moved out of the way to gain access (and let's be honest, we'd all take some time to blow out the dust and wipe down some panels), two hours seems reasonable to me.
@@tim3172 you're right, it was defective, my bad. it took me 2 hours in total, disassembling the Computer to get the Mobo out and putting it back in after the replacement, i surely was pissed, because if the CMOS battery woul be hidden by a M.2 Cooler or not hidden at all, you wouldn't need to first disassemble the whole PC and possibly could get the warranty voided 🫥
If I didnt have a thing against buying any of MSIs shit, as well as nGreedia, id actually consider the 4060 design, its cool, different, and wouldnt block airflow. if only theyd put the design parts on, ya know, THE PART OF THE GPU YOU ACTUALLY SEE WHEN ITS PLUGGED THE FUK IN!!! Ive never understood the point of putting all the cool design shit on what is, effectively, the bottom of the damn card for 99% of cases.
smol correction: that was a CAMM2 module not LPCAMM2, but exciting nevertheless! Also that GPU + SSD combo is very nice, but not sure if Intel consumer CPUs can do x8x4x4 bifurcation (I think a lot of AMD chips can)
5 slot graphics card. /sigh Cool concept though. I'm sure it will be eight thousand US Dollars. Gotta keep that NVIDIA stock marching towards 10Trillion!
Regarding CAMM: I'd prefer if manufacturers made something with connectors that don't break, like current DIMM modules, instead of inventing connectors that can be replaced :)
Best line of Computex 2024 - "Probably not going to be the best in terms of airflow since you have a dragon blocking half of your air intake" , Paul Heimlich. Modest but interesting kit on the MSI stall (not including the dragons which are wonderfully sculptured and coloured!) 'AI'l is forgiven.
I genuinely wish they would debut something like those dragon-shroud GPUs. Bring back insane looking hardware in 2025. Hell, even making their offerings identical on AMD and Intel side of things would be great (I'm sick to death of Intel getting the better white hardware while being the worse platform.)
Those swappable NVME drives built into the graphics card are nice. Very clean, they can take advantage of good cooling, and you can seriously upgrade your storage with hardly any effort. It will be interesting to see if desktop CAMM ends up outperforming DRAM and if not, if another new standard crops up that beats both.
M.2 in a video card is brilliant IF the card can access it directy. If not, it's just another gimmick. That 4090 is freaking amazing (drool) but I refuse to sell my car to buy it.
I really like the idea of the added hot-swappable M.2 on the GPU, you could easily pop it out, swap another drive in and pop it back in- I always need a way to hot-swap my drives and that seems like a good way to do it! I love MSI boards, mostly for their BIOS and of course for the good quality overall as well.
So...where exactly was the video out on that gpu with the m.2 slots, because I saw zero???? Also in your defense for the AI bit at the end, as you said, you got tricked into showing it and didn't realize it until the very end, so really thats on MSI for breaking the rule, not you, but still some good non-AI coverage.
I could tell those were AI generated. I don't even know exactly what it is about AI art that makes it easy to pick out- that was my first thought when seeing those dragon cards.
I'm waiting for the day when they ship a PC the size of a wallet along with a 3 cubic foot light box for the people who like that junk to put on their desks.
glad to see the debug LED returning to Motherboards, they need to stay as the standard again & i would love if we don't have to call the EU again also the GPUs with M.2 drive bays seem pretty neat, sadly I'm the kind of guy that puts their PC against the wall so is not that much hassle free (big respect to the case manufacturers that do the rotated MoBo that have the full IO on the top)
i actually like the kind of green they used on one of those dragon cards. don't like the shroud design much but i'd be interested in a card with green accents like that
I'd be happy if they had a white amd b850/b870 camm2 motherboard. I'd think the best outcome is a black and white camm2 motherboard for b850 and b870/b870e. If there more options available, I feel like more people might be able to buy something that suits them and with more people with camm2, the higher the demand. So hopefully camm2 comes out affordable. Cause I'd be happy to buy a white amd motherboard with camm2 support.
With AM5 the debug display is now essential as so far had 5 boards now which either from start or after few months turned out to be faulty and trying to work out what it's doing or not with just 4 little coloured leds was a nightmare & wasted my time in the end finding out those boards were actually faulty
That quick release for the NVME is slick. And the PCIE release. And CAMM2. And the M.2 expansion card. I'm excited to finally seeing some meaningful stuff being added to MOBOs. Though... you were credible Paul, up till the AI stuff near the end ;)
Thanks for making a (mostly) anti-AI coverage video so I could actually stick through it without rolling my eyes
I love how the majority of the world thinks ai is like a week away from taking over but anytime I use it I get confidently incorrect answers to half of my prompts
@@guap3228 i dont need to work like that. its like calling IT in whatever country and never getting answer or resolution
@@guap3228AI literally already gets used in most IT jobs, been like that for years. AI is here, its just not what you guys think it is
@@guap3228what is free to use for regular people vs what is actually available to companies that create algorithms that force a video in your feed are completely different
Jokes on you the whole video is made by AI 😂
Socket 1851? I think Paul meant to say Socket-who can possibly know? Hem hem
You mean he wasn't supposed to say SOCKET 1851. But Steve said SOCKET 1851 multiple times in his videos. Is there a problem with saying SOCKET 1851?
I appreciate the endeavor to show as little AI as possible.
Kinda tired of the AI hysteria. You people are going out of your way to avoid something that can't be stopped.
AI is the future my man, for better or worse.
Just like nuclear weapons. Iran will have them, Saudis within the next 10.
It's like groundhog day and Paul is still on day one of Computex.
The GPU with The M.2 Slots looks soo cool and seem useful! I paid for the PCIE, so I might use all of it as well, rather just wasting space.
Best part about CAMM: Cooling.
1. Desktop : No need to ditch the front fan on large air coolers. Unless somebody puts insanely oversized coolers on these.
2. Laptop : You won't end up with RAM chips facing the motherboard anymore.
And higher density and an easier path to run traces to the CPU that will, at least potentially, allow for higher stable clocks and tighter timings.
That gpu lock thingy is amazing. Hopefully it comes to all boards.
Steve is throwing a rave for them adding the debug led
I really liked that GPU with the dragon head in between the fans (rather than covering one of them). Whether it's AI generated or not, if I wanted a show GPU for vertical placement in a windowed case, I'd be willing to shell out extra cash for something like that, even if it's just plastic and has a slight negative impact on cooling performance.
Maybe you can AI generate it & 3D print it? You'd have to paint it yourself!
Offgasing
5:44 thank goodness someone is doing it instead of throwing 20-27 110 amp stages on an AM5 board that doesnt need anywhere near that much
i absolutely love when all the techtubers go to an event, so much fun
Dayum.. it was DAY 1 and you were already losing your voice?? lol I hope you healed up good :) - It's been such a cool week!!
Being on a non AI diet is difficult these days. We are gonna need AI-free logos things like pasta and rice on on grocery store shelves.
But if we do that, the cult of A.I. will demand logos and stickers and I don't know what-all on their stiff too. Where will it end?!?
Gigabyte have AI PSU, AI Case, AI Motherboard, AI SSD
I love that youtube offers to translate your comment into English
@@krjal3038 If you're not a geek, you won't be able to read that.
Shoulda renamed their company to GAIGAIBYTE
AI cables
CAMM orientation means we will soon see Tower style heat sinks with fans for it and water cooling blocks for it....AIO's that also includes the CAMM and M.2's aside from the Processor.... Heck we may even see the VRM's included in the water cooling loops... DIY Fest!
did he just say... m.2 drive slot IN the grafix card?!?!? wow!!!
Only thing missing on that GPU was video out ports, because I didn't see any.
Yeah, I don't know how cooling's gonna work with that ... 😕?
they can do that already
@@FatCatFanaticsame thoughts temps are no small thing for an M.2
@@Mikey109105 because Paul is wrong and it's not actually a a graphics card.
It's a re-design of the existing m.2 xpander card.
Its essentially a fancy pcie x16 to m.2 adapter.
That M.2 mechanism gives ya that fizz! Lol! That's really, really well executed! Nice work you two! Thanks for keepin us posted and entertained as usual!
I had to break a motherboard down to change the battery. Talk about user friendly.
Threw it on the ground! -Turtle Island.
i've got the X670E Aorus Master and it takes 2 Hours to change the darn CMOS-Battery (2 weeks later it turned out that the Mobo was default) they gotta rethink the CMOS-Battery placement tbh.
@@HIIMUsc "The mobo was default"
Do you mean... defective?
If it took you two hours to unscrew the backplate and chipset heatsink, I simply don't know how to help you.
@@tim3172 Just looked at the MoBo and I believe him. Depending on the case and what needs to be moved out of the way to gain access (and let's be honest, we'd all take some time to blow out the dust and wipe down some panels), two hours seems reasonable to me.
@@tim3172 you're right, it was defective, my bad.
it took me 2 hours in total, disassembling the Computer to get the Mobo out and putting it back in after the replacement, i surely was pissed, because if the CMOS battery woul be hidden by a M.2 Cooler or not hidden at all, you wouldn't need to first disassemble the whole PC and possibly could get the warranty voided 🫥
M.2 drives have needed a competent retention method since they've existed. There was no reason to have to deal with those microscopic screws.
bo one wants ai. its not going to pay my salary. its going to do the opposite. its just malware
Good on them for including the debug LEDs
Don’t care how they were designed those graphics cards are bad @$$😍
No AI!!!!! Thank you ❤
Thanks for the coverage and good work! Covered stuff two other youtubers missed
If I didnt have a thing against buying any of MSIs shit, as well as nGreedia, id actually consider the 4060 design, its cool, different, and wouldnt block airflow. if only theyd put the design parts on, ya know, THE PART OF THE GPU YOU ACTUALLY SEE WHEN ITS PLUGGED THE FUK IN!!! Ive never understood the point of putting all the cool design shit on what is, effectively, the bottom of the damn card for 99% of cases.
"motherboards used to have debug LEDs"
yeah well motherboards USED to have 8 slots for ram .... can we have THAT BACK thx
these GPU m.2 slots are nice
AI isn't the problem here. All the new motherboards without 12VO power / keeping the stupid 24 pin ATX connector is the problem...
smol correction: that was a CAMM2 module not LPCAMM2, but exciting nevertheless! Also that GPU + SSD combo is very nice, but not sure if Intel consumer CPUs can do x8x4x4 bifurcation (I think a lot of AMD chips can)
keep it up man, this has been great
5 slot graphics card.
/sigh
Cool concept though. I'm sure it will be eight thousand US Dollars. Gotta keep that NVIDIA stock marching towards 10Trillion!
Regarding CAMM: I'd prefer if manufacturers made something with connectors that don't break, like current DIMM modules, instead of inventing connectors that can be replaced :)
Best line of Computex 2024 - "Probably not going to be the best in terms of airflow since you have a dragon blocking half of your air intake" , Paul Heimlich.
Modest but interesting kit on the MSI stall (not including the dragons which are wonderfully sculptured and coloured!) 'AI'l is forgiven.
I genuinely wish they would debut something like those dragon-shroud GPUs. Bring back insane looking hardware in 2025. Hell, even making their offerings identical on AMD and Intel side of things would be great (I'm sick to death of Intel getting the better white hardware while being the worse platform.)
Those swappable NVME drives built into the graphics card are nice. Very clean, they can take advantage of good cooling, and you can seriously upgrade your storage with hardly any effort. It will be interesting to see if desktop CAMM ends up outperforming DRAM and if not, if another new standard crops up that beats both.
Any CAMM2 expected on x870 boards? Ryzen would benefit from tighter timings!
M.2 in a video card is brilliant IF the card can access it directy. If not, it's just another gimmick. That 4090 is freaking amazing (drool) but I refuse to sell my car to buy it.
I really like the idea of the added hot-swappable M.2 on the GPU, you could easily pop it out, swap another drive in and pop it back in- I always need a way to hot-swap my drives and that seems like a good way to do it! I love MSI boards, mostly for their BIOS and of course for the good quality overall as well.
So...where exactly was the video out on that gpu with the m.2 slots, because I saw zero???? Also in your defense for the AI bit at the end, as you said, you got tricked into showing it and didn't realize it until the very end, so really thats on MSI for breaking the rule, not you, but still some good non-AI coverage.
I really hope they start working on reducing temperatures - CPU's are pretty good these days - but you could replace your furnace with a 14900k
not so much needing the AI but when are we going to see a Mainframe supercomputer in a Mini case that is air cooled?
I only want to hear about AI. Don't care about learning about computers or components, only AI. AI developed by AI
I will upgrade just for the debug LED. Best feature ever.
Big finger people union just approved the PCI express button.
I’ve been looking into PCIe cards with removable sleds similar to what’s going on with the new GPUs. Guess I’ll stop looking
Ram on laptops should already be placed on the back of the circuit board right behind the CPU to minimize the distance.
i'm super excited to see how ITX boards will change considering that mobos have the option of CAMM now.
With the potential for a new memory standard that may have increased speeds, would it make XMP and EXPO obsolete?
Thought the dragon shrouds on the GPU's were super cool before hearing they were AI generated....
You are forgiven! 😜 The second GPU with a dragon (with the dragon between the fans) is amazing. I want one! 😊
I love my Tomahawk x570, but the yellow on the x870 is a hard no from me. Love the addition of the debug led so we will see how the other boards look.
MSI needs to drop intel/realtek nics and exclusively use marvell on AMD....
I could tell those were AI generated. I don't even know exactly what it is about AI art that makes it easy to pick out- that was my first thought when seeing those dragon cards.
Haha. You said 1851
I'm waiting for the day when they ship a PC the size of a wallet along with a 3 cubic foot light box for the people who like that junk to put on their desks.
will you get in trouble for calling it the "1851" motherboard? everyone else seems to be talking around some sort of restriction on that. . . . .
glad to see the debug LED returning to Motherboards, they need to stay as the standard again & i would love if we don't have to call the EU again
also the GPUs with M.2 drive bays seem pretty neat, sadly I'm the kind of guy that puts their PC against the wall so is not that much hassle free (big respect to the case manufacturers that do the rotated MoBo that have the full IO on the top)
That x870 tomahawk with 5Gig nic, sounds pricey AF.
Someone soon to be replaced by AI laughing in the background about AI artwork.
1:20 I've found that a chopstick works well for depressing the latch on the PCIe slot.
tbf MSI challenged users to create those AI designs, and rewarded the winners with new graphics cards. :)
I really like MSI work. My next mother board and probaly GPU will be MSI.
Thanks for making a (mostly) anti-AI coverage video so I could actually stick through it without rolling my eyes
MSI is dead to me. They stopped making AMD graphic cards. Shame.
I putting that suprim in the new phanteks evolv x2 case. It's perfect for it!
QOL FTW!
It's crowded because its 4 years after covid and everyone is getting back to normal
i actually like the kind of green they used on one of those dragon cards. don't like the shroud design much but i'd be interested in a card with green accents like that
I dislike the look of the new tomahawk board. That is unfortunate for me at least. I loved those boards.
They should all be able to use a GPU release button as well. How do you copyright that?
I have a feeling that the 4090 fusion cooler was designed for a 5090
GPU M.2 is cool, i missed that. Thanks for the look. Pints are on me.
No AI! But maybe a directed mic to suppress outside noise would be nice.
sponsored by the most hated company of 2024 Asus xD
What are people doing to the graphics cards that handling it just breaks the card?
Oh no AI I said I wouldn't show you.... Oops forget to edit that out... foh
Wouldn't those NVMes in the GPU get real toasty?
Are the M.2 retainers [going to be] available aftermarket?
That Tomahawk mobo look sick.
I REALLY like the GPU + M.2 card.
So we wont need chopsticks to remove a GPU anymore.
Just say no to Ai
Linus beat your there. Hence the broken M.2 GPU.
who needs dragon's on their gpu? I want mine with Paul's head as a shroud!
dammit MSI, you had one job! (to not say the letters AI)
Hoping they make a project zero micro atx using the X870 chipset. Would like a newer board than the current B650
I'd be happy if they had a white amd b850/b870 camm2 motherboard. I'd think the best outcome is a black and white camm2 motherboard for b850 and b870/b870e. If there more options available, I feel like more people might be able to buy something that suits them and with more people with camm2, the higher the demand. So hopefully camm2 comes out affordable. Cause I'd be happy to buy a white amd motherboard with camm2 support.
i dont know if it is just me but i love CAMM memory .
i spy the m.2 footage being used three times lol
I'm more interested in the CAMM memory standard.
Oh Paul…as someone who is artificially intelligent, thank you for the token AI shot at the end. I felt at home with contemporary media swaddlement.
I was tricked into watching this video! Oh no!
You can run... you can hide... but you can not escape it.
With AM5 the debug display is now essential as so far had 5 boards now which either from start or after few months turned out to be faulty and trying to work out what it's doing or not with just 4 little coloured leds was a nightmare & wasted my time in the end finding out those boards were actually faulty
it's a FROST dragon, we good.
I look forward to when efficiency gains bring us back down to 2xslot cards...
w-where are the video outputs on the m.2 gpu
yay MSI, I contacted MSI CS 5 years ago, they're still Draggin in responding...
yeah..... the m.2 expansion slots in the GPU is gimmicked all to hell and back. THAT is a shit terrible idea
There are AI tools to clean up your audio
I love gaming...and AI! :)