@@NewJunction The rails lifted out of the sleepers. Had to replace a length of track including dropper wires and regular (unsoldered) joiners. I had to make the fit close so that when it shrinks in the cold the gap won’t be too big 🤔
Hi, a little tip I was taught at work, when stripping the ends of the wires, if you only partially strip them, then before you fully remove the piece of insulation, twist it & then fully remove it, it makes it quicker and easier to twist the strands prior to tinning them, just a thought, great video.
Little thing i always do when soldering wires to rail is to solder the wire to the bottom of the rails as you are laying the track and fixing it in place, this means that you dont risk the wire and solder breaking above rail head height and giving a horrible ride, it also prevents the wires from being seen within the scenery making the track work look more realistic .
Awesome video mate! Very informative, it's great to have mates that are very skilled in certain areas. The layout is coming along nicely 😊. Will definitely check out his RUclips channel
Hey Richard, I am currently redesigning my layout to become an exhibition layout and have been confused about the DCC System. A big thank you goes out to you on explaining it and how simple it really is to wire up. Will definitely be converting my New Layout into DCC now. Thank you again for clearing up and helping explain how simple it really is.
Great video as ever Richard. I'm not a DCC kinda chap and prefer analogue control especially when it comes to cost, but it was nice to get a better understanding of it should I decide to go down that route later down the line and to see how simple it really is to set up. Keep up the great work and hope you and the family are well Cheers James
Thanks Richard for your clear and concise way of explaining things. I have no problem understanding DCC so I could follow your thoughts and descriptions very clearly, almost guessing your next sentences. Look forward to catching up at a show soon. Nick
I bet your glad your not in the loft anymore in the heat we’ve had,really coming on and thanks for explaining the dropper wire,so it’s one pair of wires from the outlet on the controller I thought you needed booster controllers many many thanks Richard ,hope to see you at warley mate ,all the best Mark 👍🏻👍🏻😃
I remember when DCC came out and was sold as only needing two wires instead of all that wiring you needed for all those old fashioned isolation sections and or cab control😂😂 then rewiring all you locos! The more things change the more they stay the same. DC or DCC for any reasonable size layout you've got lots of wiring! Love your modular concept of being able to squeeze a large exhibition layout in your garage.
Logically, you do only have two wires, the same signal travels on those two wires all round the layout. The extra droppers are really just signal "boosters".
@@stevemawer848 true but physically you've loads if you want reliability! And more if you want all these power districts much like the DC concept of isolation sections.
Great video Richard. Well done on the explanation on the ‘dark arts’ of DCC. Made it very easy to understand & the benefits are clear. The only disappointment was not seeing your dog…… 🐶
Another good video there. It’s nice to finally put a face to the name with John. He’s helped me out several times with decoder CV’s. Top chap. I’ll be heading to his channel to subscribe. I might even join a live stream one Sunday. Looking forward to seeing the progress of your layout in the next video 👍🏻
Really useful this. Literally going through the process of converting my layout from DC to DCC now. Part way through the tail chaser section, but not yet started the shed area - so many points and short pieces of track!
I have used this exact method of droppers from ever piece of track. There is only one small section that doesn't have droppers as it is on my high level branch line station where I couldn't easily fit them so instead I have soldered a small loop of wire across the rail joints either side of the fish plate so expansion can still take place, the wire I used was off cuts from Peco electrofrog points.
Hi Richard good video very informative may have to solder more droppers as my rail joiners look like they are failing ,look forward to next video kind regards Nigel.
Another tip Richard, when u strip ur wires for tinning don't pull the sleeving all the way off, if u leave it on the end of the cable u can twist the wires together without breaking the skin or ur fingers after the 100, just twist the end then pull it off, perfect ends for tinning, no sore fingers 👍
Great video thanks for explaining about dcc i work on analogue but is it as easy as you say just get a DCC contoller plug in then and do nothing else i am not really up to speed with dcc many thanks
i am going to solder to the bottom of the rail, is there a problem with soldering dropper wires at the exact same point of rail? or should the droppers be offset, I can see here John is offsetting them by a couple of sleepers
Hi Richard, Great stuff, really enjoyed the video as always, I wish I had a DCC expert to call upon 😆 to re-wire up my redesign of my layout I'm sick of the sight of droppers!! Looking good though, hopefully next episode coming soon with more developments to see? Cheers Gary
Glad I found this. My layout is DC but I have thought about going DCC but I think the cost of conversion would be substantial. You certainly clarified the process and made it easy to understand. I have learned from this presentation that I should increase the number of droppers on my DCC layout. Here is a question: I inherited a number of deciders and don’t know if they work, how can I test them with limited tools etc? Thanks again
Just got done watching you and John g tining the wires. Currently starting my first HO scale DCC layout I've done two or three DC layouts it's a different world apparently. As of our worlds are different I am across the pond in a little town called hackettstown New Jersey North West. I've been following you since you moved into this garage . Your trains are different we don't call him carriages we clone coaches signaling different other than that passion enthusiasm the same how can I go about getting my hands on some of those European trains . As I am speaking you are opening up a new locomotive it is a red liner I think 91118 quality I'm looking at is very nice I'd like to get my hands on something like that I'm assuming you're going to quality and not junk very well built you said it's a very heavy locomotive if you can recommend a website maybe a catalog or two I can get my hands on with pricing you don't mind me asking what is one like that go for no hard feelings if you don't feel like telling me understandable you last come along very nice I'm also building a modular type layout as I might be moving soon so I wanted to be able to take it apart but yet keep it together you know what I mean so any help you could send me what appreciate that and thank you for your time making these videos you are natural you doing well and it's a pleasure to watch thank you again say hello to the family whoever that might be wife mother father children I always end it with that respect is everything enjoy sir
Hi Richard, A very nice and easy introduction to DCC and yes the more droppers the better as was the case with my Bachmann 03 shunter that with only a few connections would stop and start over points but with a connection to each bit of track and the points was great. I do feel you missed a bit out which was connecting the droppers to the bus wire with solder because the dccconcepts wire strippers you have will strip the plastic back off the bus wire so you can connect the dropper to it but as I said a very nice and interesting video roll on part part 7. Hope you will be at GETS this year and will your GCR layout be back again as was very good last year and it will be nice to see how it has progressed? Cheers Robert.
Hi Richard great video on dcc droppers love the class 68 and your heritage line is coming along great to see steam on your layout what is in the next instalment of new junction.thinking of adding more droppers to my 8ftX4ft double track and triple around one end would adding more give better power around the layout from my bachmann dynamis controller Take care Kev Beighton Parkway Sheffield
It should work by.just swapping the controller and putting a DCC loco on the track. If you have a big layout, you might find that the loco stops and starts or that sound does the same, hence having more power wires to reduce that risk. I have two exhibition layouts and I just swap the controller between DC and DCC. You can put both controllers on a switch at home to move more quickly between the two.
Hello, I watched the video with interest. I noticed that you replaced some of the sleepers with ones that you soldered the track to. Can you advise what they are?
They are pre Etched sleepers (link in description) which allow a place to fix the track down to a base board end, great for an exibition or modular layout.
Hi Richard, another excellent video. I'm really enjoying watching the layout coming together. How do you connect the droppers to the bus wire? Is it soldered directly on or are you using some other method. I'm currently wrestling with wiring options for my new layout. Thank you and great work.
Why is multi-drop bus wiring considered a DCC thing? Don't the exact same concerns (getting clean signal to all track sections on the layout) come up with DC power?
I feel like there is a few things that weren’t covered but can be really important with dcc which is insulated rail joiners You usually need the insulated ones at points so you don’t get short circuits. You didn’t mention it though which would be helpful if that was talked about
Because the his heritage line is using the new Peco bullhead track all the point are unifrog so no insulted fishplate are needed, I'm sure we will go on to cover is with the Peco code 75 that will be used on the mainline 😊
May I offer a suggestion Richard ? In the first scene, where you introduce John, on the uppermost level, next to his elbow, there is a left hand point where the main line splits into two- how about replacing that lefty with a right hand curved express point? That would remove the „S“ then. Kind Regards Matt
Wire TIP. Dont peal the wire ends compleatly off, Lev the bit of it and before you draw it off the cable, Twist it with the bit of shell left there and pull it off. You will never pinn your fingers with the wire or get unnessesary dirt from fingers etc on the wire itself.
Watching this for at least the third time it just occurs to me that you appear to be running trains BEFORE you finish wiring the power to the layout. Which seems odd.
20 minute advert for DCC concepts, nothing shown there that is not on other videos on You Tube, just an exercise in product placement. Did not say whether the products used where purchased or given free
hieght of the summer and no garden layout ??? what you doing is a winter build - the garden layout should have to 2 rails complete by now and a station and a turn table before the station even if its a hand operated one and a carboard dog sitting H M V type on it lol
Hi Richard anther great video mate I really injoy it every interesting I am now working on my new layout in one of are bedrooms my old layout in the loft is now 1/3 took down I cannot get in the loft now my knees will not let me up there now ever well some of my mate I the umrc are taking the old layout down for me I am getting my right eye done in Downpatrick hospital on 10 9 22 mate at last goodbye for how clive in N Ireland
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I thought I was being clever by soldering the fishplates until the rails expanded in this hot summer !
Oops!
@@NewJunction The rails lifted out of the sleepers. Had to replace a length of track including dropper wires and regular (unsoldered) joiners. I had to make the fit close so that when it shrinks in the cold the gap won’t be too big 🤔
Hi, a little tip I was taught at work, when stripping the ends of the wires, if you only partially strip them, then before you fully remove the piece of insulation, twist it & then fully remove it, it makes it quicker and easier to twist the strands prior to tinning them, just a thought, great video.
Little thing i always do when soldering wires to rail is to solder the wire to the bottom of the rails as you are laying the track and fixing it in place, this means that you dont risk the wire and solder breaking above rail head height and giving a horrible ride, it also prevents the wires from being seen within the scenery making the track work look more realistic .
"John's got his kit out" 😅 best line in a very informative and interesting layout update. Cheers Euan
Thanks Euan!
Best bit of info on dcc I have seen, thanks Richard and John.
Thats great to hear John!
Awesome video mate! Very informative, it's great to have mates that are very skilled in certain areas. The layout is coming along nicely 😊. Will definitely check out his RUclips channel
Looking good 👍. Can’t wait for the scenics to start 👌
Ditto, itching to get going
An interesting layout update Richard!! Thanks for sharing. Cheers Onno.
Thanks Onno, hope you're keeping well
Great Video very helpful and informative
I got the new issue of hornby magazine the part on how to wire dcc was very helpful for my new n gauge dcc layout
Enjoyed your latest and liked thanks for sharing DD.
Thanks David!
@@NewJunction Your welcome Richard .
A really good demo of installing DCC droppers ...I'm on my way to JMC now to view his vids and Sub. Thank you mate. Stay safe
Hey Richard, I am currently redesigning my layout to become an exhibition layout and have been confused about the DCC System. A big thank you goes out to you on explaining it and how simple it really is to wire up. Will definitely be converting my New Layout into DCC now. Thank you again for clearing up and helping explain how simple it really is.
It can be as simple or as complicated as you want it to be, have fun with yours 😊
Great video as ever Richard. I'm not a DCC kinda chap and prefer analogue control especially when it comes to cost, but it was nice to get a better understanding of it should I decide to go down that route later down the line and to see how simple it really is to set up. Keep up the great work and hope you and the family are well
Cheers
James
Thanks James, I let DCC sound change my mind 😊
Been a while since I watched the channel and I love the new theme song at the start of the vid 👍
Thanks Robbie
Nice to see your layout progressing Richard
Thanks 😊
Great video Richard, good to see more progress on the new layout.
Thanks David, a little less exciting then whats coming in the next episode mind...
Thanks Richard for your clear and concise way of explaining things. I have no problem understanding DCC so I could follow your thoughts and descriptions very clearly, almost guessing your next sentences. Look forward to catching up at a show soon. Nick
Thanks Nick!
Great episode and good to see you back.🙂
Thanks
I bet your glad your not in the loft anymore in the heat we’ve had,really coming on and thanks for explaining the dropper wire,so it’s one pair of wires from the outlet on the controller I thought you needed booster controllers many many thanks Richard ,hope to see you at warley mate ,all the best
Mark 👍🏻👍🏻😃
Yes the bus wires are a pair from the controller. Boosters will be needed if you have a lot of locomotives on the layout.
Nice to see another update
Thanks!
Great stuff Richard! Kept the wiring advice nice and simple!
Its the only way for me to grasp it!
@@NewJunction oh absolutely, I feel the same!
thank you for awesome video New Junction
Thanks Mels
Great indepth video Richard. As always I look forward to the next update on your new "New Junction" layout. - Nicholas.
Thanks Nicholas
I remember when DCC came out and was sold as only needing two wires instead of all that wiring you needed for all those old fashioned isolation sections and or cab control😂😂 then rewiring all you locos! The more things change the more they stay the same. DC or DCC for any reasonable size layout you've got lots of wiring! Love your modular concept of being able to squeeze a large exhibition layout in your garage.
Thanks Philip, my layout has been two wires for around six months, time to buck the trend! 😆
Logically, you do only have two wires, the same signal travels on those two wires all round the layout. The extra droppers are really just signal "boosters".
@@stevemawer848 true but physically you've loads if you want reliability! And more if you want all these power districts much like the DC concept of isolation sections.
Great work by both! Looking forward to the next update! 😊
Thanks Adriel
Great video Richard.
Well done on the explanation on the ‘dark arts’ of DCC.
Made it very easy to understand & the benefits are clear.
The only disappointment was not seeing your dog…… 🐶
Ha! It was a tad warm for Lulu, next video I promise.
Another good video there. It’s nice to finally put a face to the name with John. He’s helped me out several times with decoder CV’s. Top chap. I’ll be heading to his channel to subscribe. I might even join a live stream one Sunday.
Looking forward to seeing the progress of your layout in the next video 👍🏻
Yeah he and Digitrains are very handy if you need advice!
Looks like it's going to be a great layout.
Thanks, fingers crossed
Great video Richard
Thanks Luke!
Great video Richard. Loving the (new!) New Junction layout as it takes shape once again.
Really useful this. Literally going through the process of converting my layout from DC to DCC now. Part way through the tail chaser section, but not yet started the shed area - so many points and short pieces of track!
Slowly does it!
@@NewJunction Indeed! Taken a year on and off to get this far, especially on the decoder front!
@@whitemoor66 its the best way sometimes, it is a hobby after all!
I have used this exact method of droppers from ever piece of track. There is only one small section that doesn't have droppers as it is on my high level branch line station where I couldn't easily fit them so instead I have soldered a small loop of wire across the rail joints either side of the fish plate so expansion can still take place, the wire I used was off cuts from Peco electrofrog points.
I did the same in the garden 😁
I will be at this stage in the next fe w weeks (not good with wiring) so thankyou for the tips and video thankyou
Thanks Mark, I hope it helped a little
Hi Richard good video very informative may have to solder more droppers as my rail joiners look like they are failing ,look forward to next video kind regards Nigel.
Thanks Nigel
Great Stuff Richard Mate .
Cheers David!
Just thought at 07:50 was that train going round at sme time as u was soldering and drilling as be a good test of speed
Great Video, I solder the droppers to the underside of the rails so they cant be seen after install 🙂
Yes, in a perfect world we'd do the same!
Another tip Richard, when u strip ur wires for tinning don't pull the sleeving all the way off, if u leave it on the end of the cable u can twist the wires together without breaking the skin or ur fingers after the 100, just twist the end then pull it off, perfect ends for tinning, no sore fingers 👍
Top tip thanks!
I hope you made him a brew for all his hard work😂. Keep up the good work bud
The ungrateful sod had cold beverages pffft no class haha
So how do you connect droppers to bus? Can't see anything in the video
Been waiting for so long! Great videos mate😀👍
Thanks!
Great video thanks for explaining about dcc i work on analogue but is it as easy as you say just get a DCC contoller plug in then and do nothing else i am not really up to speed with dcc many thanks
i am going to solder to the bottom of the rail, is there a problem with soldering dropper wires at the exact same point of rail? or should the droppers be offset, I can see here John is offsetting them by a couple of sleepers
@@ReNewReViews1 no problems 😊
Hi Richard, Great stuff, really enjoyed the video as always, I wish I had a DCC expert to call upon 😆 to re-wire up my redesign of my layout I'm sick of the sight of droppers!! Looking good though, hopefully next episode coming soon with more developments to see? Cheers Gary
Thanks Gary, the next episode is well under way!
Hi Gary, can always come join in on my channel and ask any questions you have 👍
Another excellent one 👌
Thanks Stuart 😊
Hi Richard great video. How do you wire the mainline track on the raised section. Do the dropper wires have to go through the heritage line baseboard
Both lines are raised so the bus wires sit above the 'baseboard' level but below the track bed. If that makes sense. Joined by droppers.
So how did you hide the mainline droppers through the heritage track bed?
@@steve1000017 you can see them when stood on the inside of the layout?
Really silly question where did you get the copper plates you use between your baseboard joins please. Love the videos.
Glad I found this. My layout is DC but I have thought about going DCC but I think the cost of conversion would be substantial.
You certainly clarified the process and made it easy to understand.
I have learned from this presentation that I should increase the number of droppers on my DCC layout.
Here is a question: I inherited a number of deciders and don’t know if they work, how can I test them with limited tools etc? Thanks again
Another question Richard; why did you make your droppers 4’-0” long?
Every time I solder to the track the sleepers start to melt, do you have a recommended temperature?
Just got done watching you and John g tining the wires. Currently starting my first HO scale DCC layout I've done two or three DC layouts it's a different world apparently. As of our worlds are different I am across the pond in a little town called hackettstown New Jersey North West. I've been following you since you moved into this garage . Your trains are different we don't call him carriages we clone coaches signaling different other than that passion enthusiasm the same how can I go about getting my hands on some of those European trains . As I am speaking you are opening up a new locomotive it is a red liner I think 91118 quality I'm looking at is very nice I'd like to get my hands on something like that I'm assuming you're going to quality and not junk very well built you said it's a very heavy locomotive if you can recommend a website maybe a catalog or two I can get my hands on with pricing you don't mind me asking what is one like that go for no hard feelings if you don't feel like telling me understandable you last come along very nice I'm also building a modular type layout as I might be moving soon so I wanted to be able to take it apart but yet keep it together you know what I mean so any help you could send me what appreciate that and thank you for your time making these videos you are natural you doing well and it's a pleasure to watch thank you again say hello to the family whoever that might be wife mother father children I always end it with that respect is everything enjoy sir
What are those metal ties for?
Hi Richard,
A very nice and easy introduction to DCC and yes the more droppers the better as was the case with my Bachmann 03 shunter that with only a few connections would stop and start over points but with a connection to each bit of track and the points was great. I do feel you missed a bit out which was connecting the droppers to the bus wire with solder because the dccconcepts wire strippers you have will strip the plastic back off the bus wire so you can connect the dropper to it but as I said a very nice and interesting video roll on part part 7. Hope you will be at GETS this year and will your GCR layout be back again as was very good last year and it will be nice to see how it has progressed?
Cheers Robert.
Thanks for the comment Robert! Yes I'll be at Gets and we're taking 4 layouts hehe
Awesome!
Thanks!
would you wire a dc railway up same or different
You could do it the same 😊
Super useful, thanks! Will you be getting John back for the point wiring?
Hi Richard what gauge wire did you use for your bus wire.
Thanks
Ron @Willenhall Parkway
Hi Richard great video on dcc droppers love the class 68 and your heritage line is coming along great to see steam on your layout what is in the next instalment of new junction.thinking of adding more droppers to my 8ftX4ft double track and triple around one end would adding more give better power around the layout from my bachmann dynamis controller
Take care
Kev Beighton Parkway Sheffield
Thanks Kev, you'll not regret more droppers, plus look at adding Stay alive capacitors to your locos, it'll change your world!
No one has made a comment about the Ruston pulling all those castle cement wagons right at the end 🤣🤣🤣🤣 who needs a 68 🙃🤯
If I was to buy a Hornby DCC controller (like the ones they had in the DCC train sets), would I still need to worry about the wiring?
It should work by.just swapping the controller and putting a DCC loco on the track. If you have a big layout, you might find that the loco stops and starts or that sound does the same, hence having more power wires to reduce that risk. I have two exhibition layouts and I just swap the controller between DC and DCC. You can put both controllers on a switch at home to move more quickly between the two.
You can get away with any DCC controller and minimal wiring, the bigger the layout and more locos you run will put pressure on that setup mind
@@NewJunction oh ok, cool! I currently only have a simple oval exhibition layout and
Hello, I watched the video with interest. I noticed that you replaced some of the sleepers with ones that you soldered the track to. Can you advise what they are?
They are pre Etched sleepers (link in description) which allow a place to fix the track down to a base board end, great for an exibition or modular layout.
Hi Richard, another excellent video. I'm really enjoying watching the layout coming together. How do you connect the droppers to the bus wire? Is it soldered directly on or are you using some other method. I'm currently wrestling with wiring options for my new layout.
Thank you and great work.
that very good to answer the q? i asked what is a bus wire for dcc control
Just a thicker gauge pair of wires connecting the DCC controller and the dropper wires.
@@NewJunction good advice as i am starting a n gauge module layout
Why is multi-drop bus wiring considered a DCC thing? Don't the exact same concerns (getting clean signal to all track sections on the layout) come up with DC power?
Yes however some people do DC because you can get away with simpler wiring much easily.
good vid
Many thanks
I feel like there is a few things that weren’t covered but can be really important with dcc which is insulated rail joiners
You usually need the insulated ones at points so you don’t get short circuits. You didn’t mention it though which would be helpful if that was talked about
Because the his heritage line is using the new Peco bullhead track all the point are unifrog so no insulted fishplate are needed, I'm sure we will go on to cover is with the Peco code 75 that will be used on the mainline 😊
@John JMC you've just booked yourself in for more wiring haha
May I offer a suggestion Richard ?
In the first scene, where you introduce John, on the uppermost level, next to his elbow, there is a left hand point where the main line splits into two- how about replacing that lefty with a right hand curved express point? That would remove the „S“ then. Kind Regards Matt
Hi Matt, a great suggestion, all will make sense when the scenery begins, I needed the angel on the curve 😉
@@NewJunction looking forward to seeing it progress 🤗
Are you gonna do DCC or LCC
Wire TIP. Dont peal the wire ends compleatly off, Lev the bit of it and before you draw it off the cable, Twist it with the bit of shell left there and pull it off. You will never pinn your fingers with the wire or get unnessesary dirt from fingers etc on the wire itself.
Top tip!
Can we see a video all about Lulu thanks
Its been a tad too warm for her to join me in the garage, rest assured she's in the next one! 😄
Watching this for at least the third time it just occurs to me that you appear to be running trains BEFORE you finish wiring the power to the layout. Which seems odd.
20 minute advert for DCC concepts, nothing shown there that is not on other videos on You Tube, just an exercise in product placement. Did not say whether the products used where purchased or given free
Feel free to send me an email, ill forward the receipt.
Are you sponsored by DCC Concepts?😀
You should watch the video 😉
That Transpennine Class 68 needs to be *much* louder! The real one shakes Lime Street when it's on the platform - all the cups in Costa rattle!
If only the speakers would allow it
hieght of the summer and no garden layout ??? what you doing is a winter build - the garden layout should have to 2 rails complete by now and a station and a turn table before the station even if its a hand operated one and a carboard dog sitting H M V type on it lol
Ha you're not wrong!
Hi Richard anther great video mate I really injoy it every interesting I am now working on my new layout in one of are bedrooms my old layout in the loft is now 1/3 took down I cannot get in the loft now my knees will not let me up there now ever well some of my mate I the umrc are taking the old layout down for me I am getting my right eye done in Downpatrick hospital on 10 9 22 mate at last goodbye for how clive in N Ireland
Be safe Clive, I'll see you on the other side! 😊
Am sorry but am up 12.38 mins into video & poor John has still not got a cup of tea
Damn right, I wouldn't expect a brew after 12mins work either