I meant Ray Franz when he came to our Kingdom Hall to see his family it was his last goodbye.. that's when he decided to leave and write the book crisis of conscience
I'm convinced Fred Franz was the man behind the scenes making up years, dates, and channels. The ability to ramble with such conviction and not use any scriptures.
He's a liar. He didn't even sit the exams for the Rhodes scholarship let alone win it. His university merely announced, as most unis would have, that it's possible to apply to sit the exams. Since thousands apply his chances of even being accepted were slim. He's a bold faced liar and we have the proof.
So many changes were made up to the time of this talk, he says "at that time we thought ", so many times. So much more changed since. How could an Almighty God really be leading this organization that changes 'truth' so often?
So many changes have occurred since you made your comment just one year ago. Watchtower GB is working at lightspeed to stay ahead of lawsuits and potential defunding in different countries. There is no way they are the only true religion or that they are going to be the last religion standing.
1.5 hour Bible talk titled “Decision” with not one scripture and ramblings about the society’s history. He shouldn’t have dropped out. Thanks for posting
He shouldn't have dropped out, because then he would have ended up as a pastor in the Presbyterian Church. Having been a Presbyterian after leaving Watchtower in 1982, I can say that the congregations have options for dealing with poor/abusive ministers. In that church, the elders are elected by the congregations, and the elders can vote out a bad minister.
Fascinating. Thanks for posting this! It's amazing to me as someone who has never been JW how he can plow past all those dates when things predicted failed to materialize without making any excuses or offering some sort of explanation. It seems besides the point to him.
yes so true , I'm 70 years old now where in hell did paradise earth go, that generation is long gone , it was all a lie , it was a con game all along .
@@oldbiker9739 Absolutely! It turns out that the nominal church had a better understanding of the Bible than he for the Watchtower ever had. What's the point in memorizing all the scriptures and not knowing what they mean?
The gentile tines have ended. But wicked unbelief prevails moments away With a take away . MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE...'the day the hour nobody knows not the Angels of the heavens nor the son' Jehovahs agency prevails( in the organization). " in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" " A GATHER TOGETHER" WE, know that Satan doesn't divide himself!!! Undertook indeed: sister Duncle or sister Duncal.....I and we don't live witn intent or intent " to the extent you did it to the least of these you did it to me said." You our Lord the CHRIST... [ your Brother Williams]
Thanks for putting this up Kim! I was going to save it to my Jim Jones file, but on further reflection I've decided it would better augment my Marshall Applewhite file.
I like how he said " for what?" Regular members are expected to put their lives on hold everytime the organization predicts the end is near, but from an organization standpoint it's business as usual. Very hypocritical.
Sure he read some literature then changed from a presbyrterian to become a Bible Student but later on when he was presented with very good information by his nephew Ray that the date 1914 was falsely arrived upon he helped get Ray disfellowshipped
I'm assuming that this talk was given sometime in the early to mid 80s. Funny he didn't mention the debacle of 1975. Not that I thought he would, of course. Thanks Mike and Kim for making this available.
He was super smart - he became Jehovah Gods spokesperson on earth, a JW pope, millions of people adored and revered him. With that comes the narcissism and believing everything you think is true.
He completely lied about that. We have the proof he didn't even apply for the scholarship let alone sit the exams. Most unis would have announced the scholarship was available and so many would have sat the exam his chances of being chosen were incredibly slim even if he had sat the exams.
This is really odd I decided to make a video of growing up in the family and memories I had of him growing up, and this shows up in my feed. Maybe it means I better get onto it!
at least he's not blowing out matches and talking about humans as burnt sausages or tight pants and then hoarding bottles of booze for his drinking wife and himself lol
One thing the word organization is referring to business like or other that's any thing relating to such business, it's true the biblical accounts mentioned the word organize which is not the same as organization which doesn't mention in the Bible as the watchtower uses in such a way, and at times says: corporation as it's definitely related as a organization wish is refer to a business run by American men.
It's been said that he have the entire Bible committed to memory. Little good it did him. It may as well had been clashing cymbals because he damn sure didn't understand end time prophecy.
I've heard this speech spoken before. I see the script they use to manipulate. Highlight them, pause, you emphasis in key words you want to stick. SN: If anyone took public speaking classes, is this a similar of a system we still use in the Western world?
When was Fred Franz baptized? "He was baptized on November 30, 1913", says Watchtower 15.03.1993,p.31. "On April 5, 1914, in Chicago, Illinois, I [Fred Franz] symbolized my consecration-as we used to call dedication-by water baptism.", says Watchtower 01.05.1987,p.25. What is it now? ;-)
What a talk! I've never heard anything like it. He wasn't ponderous and rambling at all. And as for that reporter from Time magazine (in 1977) who said that after spending an hour with Mr Frederick Flange he was pretty sure Mr Flange was "certifiably insane", what on earth prompted such a cruel assessment? I thought the talk was far too short. It should have gone on for days
For a start he completely lied about the Rhodes scholarship. We have the proof he didn't even apply let alone sit the exams. Russell wasn't the first president too
Was just fact checking what he said the bible students were expecting in 1914 in the Millenial Dawn written in 1889. True it was the end of the gentile times but they expected the end of all things, all institutions, government and that it would commence the 1000 year reign. Fred like the rest of them is a word salad wordsmith and will push and pull truths because he knew and they know now that most JWs will never question them or call them up.
Hmmm..I think the title of this video should have been.... Frederick Franz -DELUSIONS -My Life Story 😀😀 I mean he mentions 1914 ;1925;1942 when Rutherford in his book CHILDREN & the remaining months before Armageddon 😀😀 & Then near the end of his talk of being close to end of system with only 9061 Anointed taking emblems..this is a 1984 talk nearly 40 years ago so over 140 years of false prophesying since 1879 😀😀 Truly Faithful & Discreet
Where on the Bible does it indicate that the great pyramid of Giza is the Bible n stone indicating the divine plan of the ages? 22:47 That in morals and dogma not in the holy Bible !
Franz talks about Pyramid of Giza was Gods witness in STONE which the false dates were established 1799 (last days ) 1874 beginning Christ's Presence 1914 Armageddon; 1925 Resurrection of David, Abraham etc..YET 1919 Jesus approved Watchtower as God's approved organisation 😀😀😀
“Millions now living WILL never die!” Interesting how he pointed out several of their false expectations and prophecies and yet still claims God is directing them. When he died so did the “This Generation” teaching, so they had to contradict their previous steadfast definition of “generation” and concoct the Overlapping Generation.
I meant Ray Franz when he came to our Kingdom Hall to see his family it was his last goodbye.. that's when he decided to leave and write the book crisis of conscience
I'm convinced Fred Franz was the man behind the scenes making up years, dates, and channels. The ability to ramble with such conviction and not use any scriptures.
It’s amazing that Franz didn’t seem the least bit embarrassed about turning down a scholarship because of the imminent arrival of armageddon.
He's a liar. He didn't even sit the exams for the Rhodes scholarship let alone win it. His university merely announced, as most unis would have, that it's possible to apply to sit the exams. Since thousands apply his chances of even being accepted were slim. He's a bold faced liar and we have the proof.
So many changes were made up to the time of this talk, he says "at that time we thought ", so many times. So much more changed since. How could an Almighty God really be leading this organization that changes 'truth' so often?
So many changes have occurred since you made your comment just one year ago. Watchtower GB is working at lightspeed to stay ahead of lawsuits and potential defunding in different countries. There is no way they are the only true religion or that they are going to be the last religion standing.
1.5 hour Bible talk titled “Decision” with not one scripture and ramblings about the society’s history. He shouldn’t have dropped out. Thanks for posting
He shouldn't have dropped out, because then he would have ended up as a pastor in the Presbyterian Church. Having been a Presbyterian after leaving Watchtower in 1982, I can say that the congregations have options for dealing with poor/abusive ministers. In that church, the elders are elected by the congregations, and the elders can vote out a bad minister.
Oh this is just FULL of gold! 😂
Fascinating. Thanks for posting this! It's amazing to me as someone who has never been JW how he can plow past all those dates when things predicted failed to materialize without making any excuses or offering some sort of explanation. It seems besides the point to him.
yes so true , I'm 70 years old now where in hell did paradise earth go, that generation is long gone , it was all a lie , it was a con game all along .
@@oldbiker9739 Absolutely! It turns out that the nominal church had a better understanding of the Bible than he for the Watchtower ever had. What's the point in memorizing all the scriptures and not knowing what they mean?
@@oldbiker9739And it always will be a lie all the while they exist.
The gentile tines have ended. But wicked unbelief prevails moments away
With a take away . MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE...'the day the hour nobody knows not the Angels of the heavens nor the son' Jehovahs agency prevails( in the organization). " in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" " A GATHER TOGETHER" WE, know that Satan doesn't divide himself!!!
Undertook indeed: sister Duncle or sister
Duncal.....I and we don't live witn intent or intent " to the extent you did it to the least of these you did it to me said." You our Lord the CHRIST... [ your Brother Williams]
One of the : " anointed ones present from the Sandusky congregation/ Ceadar point congegation"... I believe fellow believers...
Thanks for posting. Awesome how he said 1914,1925 were mistakes.
Thanks Kim. Your the best
Thanks for putting this up Kim! I was going to save it to my Jim Jones file, but on further reflection I've decided it would better augment my Marshall Applewhite file.
"Conclusion of the system of things".
Still trying to locate that scripture.
I like how he said " for what?" Regular members are expected to put their lives on hold everytime the organization predicts the end is near, but from an organization standpoint it's business as usual. Very hypocritical.
Sure he read some literature then changed from a presbyrterian to become a Bible Student but later on when he was presented with very good information by his nephew Ray that the date 1914 was falsely arrived upon he helped get Ray disfellowshipped
thats sad..1914,is a false teaching for sure,The operation of error/Deluding Influence,and so many are believing this lie..
2 Thess 2:11
He sounds like Katharine Hepburn to me 🥱
I'm assuming that this talk was given sometime in the early to mid 80s. Funny he didn't mention the debacle of 1975. Not that I thought he would, of course. Thanks Mike and Kim for making this available.
Yes, it would have been in 1985, since they said when introducing him, that Franz had served for 71 years since 1914.
Threw away a full scholarship for what? He chose failed and faulty information . Guess he wasn’t so smart after all 😅
He was super smart - he became Jehovah Gods spokesperson on earth, a JW pope, millions of people adored and revered him. With that comes the narcissism and believing everything you think is true.
@@jaydubboredcasting6708 Yup
He rode that train till the end
He completely lied about that. We have the proof he didn't even apply for the scholarship let alone sit the exams. Most unis would have announced the scholarship was available and so many would have sat the exam his chances of being chosen were incredibly slim even if he had sat the exams.
This is really odd I decided to make a video of growing up in the family and memories I had of him growing up, and this shows up in my feed. Maybe it means I better get onto it!
It's hard to believe this is a "talk" . No scriptures, no overuse of the name J,
AND I actually paid attention 🤯
Reminds me of Lenny from the Simpsons
We had general meetings on how to fleece the flock 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great videos!! Mike/Kim, Do you have a link for us to download a copy of this audio?
at least he's not blowing out matches and talking about humans as burnt sausages or tight pants and then hoarding bottles of booze for his drinking wife and himself lol
🏃♂️Leave Tony Alone 😵💫
@@hjc5457 only if Tony stops scarring little children's minds with visual pictures of there friends bursting like hot dogs during Armageddon .
The Governing Body was been allways spiritual watchful . Mark 13:37
So years later that one particular woman with the outburst was correct 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Crisis of Conscience
I say Crisis of Spirituality
As you go along with France we learned that all the false prophecies 😂😂😂😂👍👍👍👍
Yes! At least he was candid about it, didn't try to hide it like this current set of governing body members have.
You know you're right thanks for reminding me good job. I asked my wife she still a JW hey do you want to listen to brother France she said no 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
One thing the word organization is referring to business like or other that's any thing relating to such business, it's true the biblical accounts mentioned the word organize which is not the same as organization which doesn't mention in the Bible as the watchtower uses in such a way, and at times says: corporation as it's definitely related as a organization wish is refer to a business run by American men.
Hi guys
It's been said that he have the entire Bible committed to memory. Little good it did him. It may as well had been clashing cymbals because he damn sure didn't understand end time prophecy.
The crowd is laughing at the false prophecy that Rutherford predicted amazing blind 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder could see that 😂😂😂😂😂
I've heard this speech spoken before. I see the script they use to manipulate. Highlight them, pause, you emphasis in key words you want to stick.
SN: If anyone took public speaking classes, is this a similar of a system we still use in the Western world?
When was Fred Franz baptized?
"He was baptized on November 30, 1913", says Watchtower 15.03.1993,p.31.
"On April 5, 1914, in Chicago, Illinois, I [Fred Franz] symbolized my consecration-as we used to call dedication-by water baptism.", says Watchtower 01.05.1987,p.25.
What is it now? ;-)
What a talk! I've never heard anything like it. He wasn't ponderous and rambling at all. And as for that reporter from Time magazine (in 1977) who said that after spending an hour with Mr Frederick Flange he was pretty sure Mr Flange was "certifiably insane", what on earth prompted such a cruel assessment? I thought the talk was far too short. It should have gone on for days
He could certainly gone on for days. He was quite long winded.
For a start he completely lied about the Rhodes scholarship. We have the proof he didn't even apply let alone sit the exams. Russell wasn't the first president too
I'm sure the smell of sulfur was building the more he talked.
Was just fact checking what he said the bible students were expecting in 1914 in the Millenial Dawn written in 1889. True it was the end of the gentile times but they expected the end of all things, all institutions, government and that it would commence the 1000 year reign. Fred like the rest of them is a word salad wordsmith and will push and pull truths because he knew and they know now that most JWs will never question them or call them up.
Noticed that. Conveniently left out the expectation of the end of the entire world in 1914.
Is a CULT
He sure skipped over the 1914 debacle didn’t he!?!!!
Hmmm..I think the title of this video should have been.... Frederick Franz -DELUSIONS -My Life Story 😀😀
I mean he mentions 1914 ;1925;1942 when Rutherford in his book CHILDREN & the remaining months before Armageddon 😀😀
& Then near the end of his talk of being close to end of system with only 9061 Anointed taking emblems..this is a 1984 talk nearly 40 years ago so over 140 years of false prophesying since 1879 😀😀
Truly Faithful & Discreet
Did he have to say negro Porter? He could have just said a porter just saying 🤔😂
Also how he exclaimed to the porter, "want to see how a Christian dies?
U.S. membership of JW's are 27% black🧐
@@hjc5457 👍
Yea, that whole anecdote was weird. “See how a Christian dies!” The WT leaders had and still do have a mighty high opinion of themselves.
@@ShoNuffSoulBro1 you said it bro 👍❤️
I thought I read that he only went to college for one year? He said he went on his third year????
It's 1925a marked year the same as a mark talk when you at the Kingdom Hall 😂😂😂😂😂😂
there still sticking together and skating in hell now, put on thin ice lol
They put them in the dirty laundry basket 😂
Where on the Bible does it indicate that the great pyramid of Giza is the Bible n stone indicating the divine plan of the ages? 22:47
That in morals and dogma not in the holy Bible !
Not embarrassed at all by their false prophets
A unique manufactured nickname, jehovah 🙂
Weer wat geleerd
Not everyone sees the job description when they read rev 11:6
Franz talks about Pyramid of Giza was Gods witness in STONE which the false dates were established 1799 (last days ) 1874 beginning Christ's Presence 1914 Armageddon; 1925 Resurrection of David, Abraham etc..YET 1919 Jesus approved Watchtower as God's approved organisation 😀😀😀
“Millions now living WILL never die!” Interesting how he pointed out several of their false expectations and prophecies and yet still claims God is directing them. When he died so did the “This Generation” teaching, so they had to contradict their previous steadfast definition of “generation” and concoct the Overlapping Generation.
Theocratic History.... JESUS!!!
No fear that world war 1 ended. Now we use new light to save our butts. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
ConSpiritsy
Excellent looking man? They had bad taste back then 😅😅😅
🤣👍
Interesting. Being raised as a witness for over 30 years, this BS makes me cringe. So much BS!
what the hell is a man child , maybe Trudeau .