Was The Trinity Made Up By The Council Of Nicea?
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- Jesus is the central figure linking both Testaments and linking with both the Father and the Spirit. This is where Trinitarian theology comes from. Not from proof texts like the Great Commission, even though those are important, they echo the point. But the theology of it comes from the Old Testament. You have people like Bart Ehrman, and these other Jesus mythers and Ehrman is not a Jesus myther. But I'm using Ehrman because of his criticism of Christology, claiming that this theology of Christianity was invented by later church councils basically out of thin air, and that New Testament attestations to Jesus's deity were written late, just added arbitrarily. Both of those ideas show a deep profound ignorance of the Old Testament. The antecedent for all of this. Check this out!
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In the Gospel According to Matthew, the Savior is to be known as “Emmanuel,” which means “God with us” (Matthew 1:23). This is not His Personal name, it is a descriptive name identifying who He is to us. He is “God with us,” Emmanuel! Also, “He shall be called a Nazarean” (Matthew 2:23, Nazarene), however, His Personal name is by revelation and is a specific name (Matthew 1:21).
Matthew 2:23 “And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, ‘He shall be called a Nazarean.’”
Question: Where did the prophets in the Old Testament prophesy, “He shall be called a Nazarean”?
Answer: There is no prophet in the Old Testament, who prophesied, “He shall be called a Nazarean”!
Question: Well then, do we know what His Personal name truly is?
Answer: The angel of the Lord said, “...you shall call His name…” (Matthew 1:21). This is a commandment, which makes the actual revealed name given to the Savior of utmost importance. Most would say that the Savior’s name is “Jesus.” Unfortunately, this name was never revealed by God, nor did God authorize the name Jesus.
Question: So it goes, did the angel say the name, “Jesus?” This is what we need to know.
Answer: No. Historically, the name Jesus has only existed in its present form since the 17th century. A change was made that caused the Savior’s supposed name to become Jesus, which was never authorized by God. In the 1611 KJV of the Bible, we find the name “Iesus.” Pronounced “ee-sus” changed to Jesus, “gee-sus,” after the year 1632. No angel gave the commandment from God to the disciples of Christ allowing them to call Christ by the name, “Jesus.” Therefore, the name Jesus is a substitute name. Iesus comes from Iesous, which is a transliteration of the name Yeshua. Because the name of the Savior is a revealed name, this kind of linguistic evolution is not honored by God, which defies His revelation and commandment. To accept a substitute name is to reject the very name revealed by God. More specifically, substitute names, such as Jesus, Iesus, or Iesous are in reality a rejection of the true revealed name of the Savior.
Question: Why does it matter what name we use, after all, I speak English so I say, “Jesus.” And someone else speaks Spanish, so they say, “Hey-zeus.” or another speaks Arabic, and they say, “Isa.” So there are many names for Christ, right?
Answer: God knows all things, but He also knows that the name that was revealed by Him was rejected for a substitute name not authorized by Him. The following Scriptures prohibit the use of any other name but the revealed name from Heaven. YAHSHUA is the revealed name commanded by God to be given to the Savior. It is an exclusive name and not to be changed. Acts 4:8 “Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, ‘Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: 9 If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, 10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of YAHSHUA the Messiah of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.
11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Therefore, choose this day that you will accept the one name given among men by which we must be saved! From these three names, Jesus, Iesus, and Iesous come all the substitute names unauthorized by God around the world. The essence of the Gospel tells us we stand condemned if we reject the revealed name of the Savior by accepting a substitute name instead. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” Matthew 1:20 “But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, ‘Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name YAHSHUA, for He will save His people from their sins.’” Consider the prophet Isaiah, who wrote, “Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For YAH, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV, which accurately translates from the Hebrew). Sing to God, sing praises to His name; Extol Him who rides on the clouds, by His name YAH, and rejoice before Him” (Psalm 68:4 NKJV). YAH is the essential name for our salvation as expressed in the name YAHSHUA, YAH=I AM, and shua=salvation.
Question: How do we know for sure that our Savior’s one and only true name that was given for our salvation is the name YAHSHUA?
Answer: Throughout the Hebrew and New Testament Scriptures, Christ our Savior is the LORD YAH (Isaiah 44:6-8, Christ is the Rock, 1 Corinthians 10:1-4). YAH means “I AM” (Exodus 3:13-15). YAH (I AM) is the name which is above every name (Philippians 2:9). Christ told the Jews that He is YAH, as in “I AM” (John 8:58). The apostle Paul encounters Christ on the Road to Damascus, and asks “Who are you Lord?” Christ replies in Hebrew His name (Acts 26). Paul identifies in the letter to the Philippians 2:9, “He has the name which is above every name.” An angel of the LORD comes to Joseph in a dream, and says, “And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name YAHSHUA, for He will save His people from their sins” (Matthew 1:21). YAHSHUA means “I AM Salvation.” The apostle Paul was very clear that in every language His name is to be the same, “and that every tongue should confess that YAHSHUA the Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:11). Hebrew names very often consist of two elements: a verb and the name of God, in this case, יה (YAH), which is short for יהוה; YHWH or YaHaWaH, the living God of Israel. This name given to Moses means YAH=I AM, hawah=to be, as in ever-present, and so God’s name means I AM Ever-present.
Question: Where in the Hebrew Scripture does any of the prophets say, “He shall be called a Nazarean?”
Answer: It could not be found anywhere in the Scriptures that a prophet said, “He shall be called a Nazarean (or Nazarene). Therefore, we must take a closer look at the name Nazareth, and we found the following: Nazareth, isolated, generally supposed to be the Greek form of the Hebrew netser, a "shoot" or "sprout,” or “branch.” Matthew is telling us that He, Christ, is “the Branch,” as the prophets foretold. When we take a closer look at the word Nazarean (Nazarene) we find a meaning, a Hebrew meaning. This is what Matthew was telling us, that YAHSHUA is the Branch as spoken by the prophets. Isaiah 4:2, “In that day the Branch of the Lord shall be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and appealing for those of Israel who have escaped.” Isaiah 11:1 “There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots.
Jeremiah 23:5 “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord {YAH}, “That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; A King shall reign and prosper, and execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. 6 In His days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell safely; Now this is His name by which He will be called: ‘THE LORD {YAH} OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.’ 7 “Therefore, behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord {YAH}, “that they shall no longer say, ‘As the Lord {YAH} lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,’ 8 but, ‘As the Lord {YAH} lives who brought up and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the north country and from all the countries where I had driven them.’ And they shall dwell in their own land.” Jeremiah 33:14 ‘Behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will perform that good thing which I have promised to the house of Israel and to the house of Judah: 15 ‘In those days and at that time I will cause to grow up to David A Branch of righteousness; He shall execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. Zechariah 3:8 ‘Hear, O Yeshua, the high priest, you and your companions who sit before you, for they are a wondrous sign; for behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH. Zechariah 6:12, Then speak to him, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, saying: “Behold, the Man whose name is the BRANCH! From His place, He shall branch out, and He shall build the temple of the Lord; 13 Yes, He shall build the temple of the Lord. He shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule on His throne; So He shall be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.”’
Therefore, the apostle Matthew was correct, “And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, ‘He shall be called a Nazarean.’” He shall be called the Nazarean, which means He is the Branch, YAHSHUA the Nazarean!
Gen 1, 26 Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Let US make...
Try debating Tovier Singer with this interpretation of yours if you think it's right and see how you'd get shamed in public.
@@owlNolanJesus said in Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’"
"God" is usually used for the "Father" in this way if not further specified. Therefore the "Us" in Gen 1, 26 is the Father speaking to the Heavenly court in the tone and mode of concession. The Father created Man; but proclaimed it to all members of Heaven as clearly stated in Isaiah 46:10: that God declares the end from the beginning.
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Kneel to trace picture children.
G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth.
O is a whole measure.
D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth.
Sacrificed, Holy measured.
Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
Trinity drawn to the one measure, as the word GOD is three pictures, measured in thirds of its objective whole relation, US.
I get goosebumps thinking about how the Angel of God stopping Abraham from kiIIing Isaac was Jesus himself in his pre-incarnate form, knowing it's going to be him instead 🥺
False doctrine, Jesus only appeared as the Son, the Flesh of God, the Begotten, he never came as an angel.
@@truthbomb27 Genesis 16:7-13/Judges 13:17-20 This is GOD ALMIGHTY the ALL SEEING GOD EL ROI JESUS/YESHUA
Jesus said that HE was in HEAVEn while speaking with Nicodemus on this immovable Earth. John 3
Praise the TRIUNE LORD ADONAI JESUS forever and ever.
Get your own teaching platform from buddy@@truthbomb27
I get goosebumps too when I am entertained by fiction.
Read Hebrews 1. God only revealed Himself through His Son in the first century.
Having being exposed to "oneness" doctrine early in my adult Christian walk it has taken me years of unlearning what I was taught. Dr Heiser teachings have been so helpful to me.
I think oneness position is biblical. "GOD was manifest in the flesh", "in Him dwelleth the fullness of the Diety", & " God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself". No separate beings, Just GOD being GOD and revealing Himself as the Savior.
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@@adrianespinoza8016ow do you explain then that Jesus is not the Father and the Father is not Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus or Father and yet Father is God, Jesus is God, Spirit is God. They are one and not separate. How do you explain that in the light of “oneness” theology then?
@Ilmar Meldre... I know it's tough, cuz I come from solid trinitarian background too. Isaiah 9:6 is good....Not that Jesus the man was God, but as the scripture says " God was manifest in the flesh" , " God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself " and In Him (Jesus) dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead.
I have just had to give the Oneness family I have to God and ask that he sort it out. Both of our sides are entrenched in their positions. The anecdotal issues I have with Oneness beliefs is self-righteousness rooted in legalism. Requirements for an outward sign of an invisible spiritual transaction is problematic for me as well. Most proof texts come from Acts a historical record not a doctrinal book like Romans.
All your teaching Dr Heiser brings so much healing. There is so much that I believed intuitively that you justify by solid Biblical knowledge. It helps a lot.
Thank you.
I'm sorry but this is entirely circular reasoning. You can't use implicit texts to try and establish an explicit. You first need an explicit as a basis to project into an implicit, otherwise you just have a baseless projection. There are no explicit references to the concept of the trinity. The only way anyone comes to that conclusion is if they start with that conclusion and pre-project it into the texts being discussed.
Your comment is based on your conclusion. It's circular. You can do better. Peace
@@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe don't say stupid things 🤦🏼♂️ you don't know me. My conclusion is open mindedness, always. I'm up to being proved wrong, but i need a little thing called evidence. Yanno like Hebrews 11:1? One of the foundations of "faith". A truly objective approach asks "what does this information teach me about subject X". Me simply pointing out a major flaw in a commonly believed doctrine isn't circular. You wouldn't know circular if it came around and hit you on the back of your head. What you're doing is called "deflecting".
@@wjhssjhhrfmj I have a great deal of love and respect for Michael, but if we apply his reasoning every other time these types of things occur in scripture then we have plurality in humans as well. For example, compare the identical accounts of Matthew 8:5-13 with Luke 7:1-10. In Matthews account, it appears that the Gentile army officer approached Jesus directly and communicated with him, but if you read Lukes account, he sends the Jews and some of his friends to speak for him. If we apply the same logic and reasoning that Michael applies in those old testament accounts to this account, then we have the army officer, older men of the Jews, and his friends all being the same as a dual-head type thing. This is preposterous. What these two versions of the same account teach us is that in the ancient world, sometimes people communicated and acted *by means of* other people. So in the Old Testament it's perfectly acceptable for God to Act and Communicate *by means of* The Angel Of Yehovah, while at the same time the Angel can be referred to as God, even tho God himself wasn't directly there, the same as Matthews account refers to the the Jewish older men and the gentile army officers friends as being the army officer, since they were acting on his behalf. That's just how they did things in the ancient world. Michaels argument simply doesn't stand up under scrutiny.
If God almighty were in fact going against the norm, something vastly different, then he would make it explicit. "I know you guys are used to this type of thing, but not so with me, my existence is like this, there's 3 of us"... Etc, simply laying the concept out, establishing the concept. He's had a 66 book saga written for mankind, you would expect a single verse somewhere like "Yehovah is God Almighty, Yeshua is God Almighty, The Holy Spirit is God Almighty, These three are One God, Yet Three Persons". There is no description anywhere of three in one, or even two in one. God had the means and opportunity to easily and clearly communicate this if it really were part of his nature. But he doesn't. So i cannot accept it as anything more than a tradition of man.
@@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe Wow, the very way you are judging is the way you are judged. Let's examine this: What is the Trinity? The Trinity is this: The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods (Elohim), One God (EL or Eloah). The use of the Hebrew word “Elohim” (a plural) was translated as God (singular) first in the Septuagint and later in the versions of the Bible specifically as found in Genesis 1:1. Elohim, God in other languages, was never meant to demonstrate the Trinity, and it would be out of context to do so. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian? Must one believe in the Trinity in order to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior and His disciples never teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians three centuries later give credence to the councils of men seeking to define the deity of Christ in conjunction with the Father without revelation from God? In the history of Christianity, the first four ecumenical councils: the First Council of Nicaea in 325, the First Council of Constantinople in 381, the Council of Ephesus in 431, the Council of Chalcedon in 451 were designed to argue over who God is without one thus says the LORD! If the doctrine of the Trinity is correct, then why did it take all these councils to finally decide and design the deity of Christ? From the beginning in the year 325 CE to the year 380 CE when it supposedly ended. Can mankind define who God is? No. Only God can reveal Himself to mankind. Accordingly, scholars agree that “Although early Christian theologians speculated in many ways on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit relationship, no one clearly and fully asserted the doctrine of the Trinity as explained...until around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy. Nonetheless, proponents of such theories always claim them to be in some sense founded on, or at least illustrated by, biblical texts” (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Dale Tuggy, 2020). In fact, the Trinitarians have claimed to base their definition of God by implication, as there is absolutely no explicit doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible. There are two seemingly explicit pillars for the Trinity in the New Testament, namely, Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8. First, 1 John 5:7-8, known as The Johannine Comma, is an interpolation (words added), as acknowledged by Christian scholars, to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is no such doctrine of the Trinity. Second, Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion by Christian scholars, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, however, the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name {YAHSHUA} as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (as published circa 316 CE) in his book on early church history the verse of Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity, evolving, has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Unfortunately, Catholics agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian.” And paradoxically, professor White further states: “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, the question goes begging, why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity? It is even more confounding when historically the Trinity developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians as a prerequisite for salvation, that despite the fact that Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, it becomes unthinkable to cast aside this doctrine even when proven to be solely based upon the traditions of men. Consequently, many could actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity! For the very reason of teaching it according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He told them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). According to the Gospel, Christians are not stipulated to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life to enter into the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would have been taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior. Biblically and historically the Trinity was never taught as also evidenced in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless and confusing Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding and confusion of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. Our God is the Son of God, the only Lord YAH, to the glory of His God and Father, and YAH means I AM.
1 John 5:7 reads: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one...
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.looks like the definition of the Trinity... And it's good enough for me.
Thanks Mike. I love these profound snippets of earlier teachings. If anyone is like me...forgetful...then they will also appreciate these beautiful nuggets of truth to help us remember to remember. All I can say is; "More!"
This isn't truth. Not at all.
@@SeerSeekingTruth saying something is one thing, and proving it is another. You haven't proven anything.
@SmallFridgeMinority I'm not sure what "umbilical" is... But it looks like your hands were faster than your head. 😆😆 Saying it and proving it are different things. All you've done is say it. That's great. Even I can say the opposite.
IF THE TRINITY DOCTRINE WAS SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO BELIEVE IN WHY ISN'T THAT EVEN MENTIONED RECORDED OR EXPRESSED IN SCRIPTURES BY THE WRITERS
@@carvellboyce6434 God didn't spell out many things in Scripture. As Peter adequately put it, "some things are hard to understand. Also, please turn off the caps lock. Thank you.
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I honestly just want to know where you got that table/podium/thing from...
This is great Dr. Heiser, thank you !
Trinity in one verse of OT
“Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me.””
- Isaiah 48:16 NKJV
Point out the 3 for me in this verse. I only see one.
@@moshemyym4627 blind don't see !
@@moshemyym4627 1. the Lord God, 2. And His Spirit 3. have sent Me. THREE
@@mycharmedunicorn8715 That's Yahweh Elohim and..."""HIS"" Spirit. ONE.
@@moshemyym4627 Hello. So, yes, the tri-unity of God is clearly spoken here by Isaiah. Read Isaiah 48:12-16 for a better context...
12“Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
13Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
When I call to them,
They stand up together.
14“All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
Who among them has declared these things?
The Lord loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
15I, even I, have spoken;
Yes, I have called him,
I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
16“Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord God and His Spirit
[c]Have sent Me.”
^^^ Study these 4 verses and ask the Holy Spirit to give you understanding. These are profound verses showing all 3 Persons of the Godhead.
Is there a way to watch this full class?
Excellent stuff.
Hey Steven, I'm grateful to God for your testimony. Hope you are doing well.
@Coreficus ok, Baal hold your arms out and we will light you up !
Steven Bancarz: Let's let the Word of God prevail:
Isaiah 6, verses 1-7:
1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
5 ¶ Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.
6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
Verse 1: Isaiah saw the Lord God sitting on His throne. *Problem* *#1* for y'all: The Lord God is embodied as only embodied beings *sit.*
Verse 2: Two Seraphs, special Angelic Sons/Servants are before the Lord God.
Verse 3: One of the Two Seraphs bears witness of the Lord God's holiness. This Seraph is the Holy Ghost.
Verses 4-7: The other Seraph forgives sins *and* calls prophets *and* sends them forth to preach. This is Premortal Jesus.
Isaiah saw *ALL* *THREE* *SEPARATE* *BEINGS* just as Moses had and much like Matthew recorded.
That scream and stampede for the exit is Mickey Heiser and all his once-giddy blindlings trying to cram their way out of the arena.
BTW: The only Church that accords 100% with Isaiah and all the other Biblical-era Prophets is The Church of *Jesus* *Christ* of Latter-day Saints.
Steven, your interviews on Remnant Radio and with Alisa Childers were such great teaching. They really helped my walk with Christ. Thank you so much!
I love this explanation. God of Old Testament and New Testament is the same YHWH, YHWH revealed as the Savior (Yeh-shua) and Ruakh haKodesh!
Unfortunately the Roman trinity removed YHWH Jehovah from the heart of many
YHWH is Enlil ....... how do you feel about God now ??
@@sticky59 many debate on his name but don’t really know his ways or love him because many dont even know who he is
: YHWH is NOT YESHUA. YESHYA prayed to and worshiped YHWH. The Holy Spirit is an IT.
@@ewankerr3011 if you've read old testament you'll see that there're TWO YHWH persons in the play.
Thanks for this teaching. The previous verse, Isiah 63:9 gets my attention to study as well. It uses the expression "the angel of his presence." To me this feels like another expression of "the Angel of the Lord." The angel of the Lord allowed people to worship Him whereas other angels would say don't worship me, I am not the Lord.
Exactly. Same angel in Gen 16 with Hagar as well
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El Roi, Amen. Also in Judges 13 , HalleluYAH.
GOD JESUS is TRI-UNITY and HIS people know that.😇
A Creator's manifestation, without a phisical body, can be called "angel" in the Bible texts.
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The Angel of YHWH, Who is YHWH HIMSELF was in some material form, but before around 2000 years the WORD became flesh. ADONAI is always existing as Tri-Unity : Father and Word and Spirit.
In Genesis 18 the LORD Himself with 2 angels |2 angelic beings| eat meal with Abraham, this is Physical appearance of God.
Lord Jesus bless His elect followers.🕊
@@vijdamvsichko9077 Hi, I hope you're doing marvelously well!
I am not here trying to make you change your mind about this subject but, I must say somethings.
You've said: *"In Genesis 18 the LORD Himself with 2 angels |2 angelic beings| eat a meal with Abraham, this is the Physical appearance of God. "*
Like I've said, you can only "see" a "trinity" in that passage because you've heard about a "trinity" BEFORE you are aware of that.
Did you notice that Abraham called "LORD" only ONE of those three men?
It seems you don't. And you ignore it just because the tradition inside of your soul is really deep.
That's what I call "lens". See?
More, did you ever notice that none of them made any miracles?
Two of them were almost raped and killed.
But, for this matter, Abraham recognized only ONE as his GOD.
He calls only ONE of them "LORD".
So now, let's use our "believers' " mind for this and ask ourselves: "My GOD can only express Himself in a limited number of men, women, fishes, crows, crickets, stars, etc.?"
Do you believe that your God has limits about the number of perceivable expressions HE is operating at the same time?
"Is anything too hard or too wonderful for the Lord?..." (Gen 18:14a)
Having this in mind, how many men did Simon Bajonah (we've learned to call him "Peter") and Yohannan (John) see when YESHUA showed them WHO HE IS (Mat 17:1-3) ????
Do you still believe that The Creator was showing us a "trinity"?
Do you remember when The Creator appeared to Moses?
Moses saw The Creator BEFORE, DURING, and AFTER.
A perfect hebrew way of thinking.
Do you understand what "eternity" means?
This means that there's no before or after. No tomorrow or yesterday.
So, The Creator made our dimension (TIME/SPACE/MATTER) plainly, working perfecly, the good and the evil, etc.
The Creator is NOT part of it nor is subject to anything around us.
If The Creator is a "three-person" god, why we can read those that were JEWS, and SAW and TALKED to HIM in the flesh, mentioning only TWO of those three many many times?
That's simple.
The Bible talks about the history of The Creator's salvific works, step by step.
And that's WHY we can't read about "Jesus" (literally) before His birth.
We can only read those that "then" knew that The Creator came as He said He would, and they call Him by the name they knew "YESHUA" to make us understand it - He is NOT another one, or a second person from a triune-god (like many triads from paganism); Yeshua is The invisible Creator here among us!!!
That's the objective, that's the main goal.
The Creator did not outsource his saving work!!!
HE says, "Who has prepared and done this, calling forth and guiding the destinies of the generations [of the nations] from the beginning? I, the Lord-the first [existing before history began] and with the last [an ever-present, unchanging God]-I am He." (Is 41:4)
The same!
HE is "HE" (that one)!
The same message when HE was here, trying to make people recognize Him.
See?
Well, I hope you start to read your Bible trying not to presume what it says...
"So then, we may no longer be children, tossed [like ships] to and fro between chance gusts of teaching and wavering with every changing wind of doctrine, [the prey of] the cunning and cleverness of unscrupulous men, [gamblers engaged] in every shifting form of trickery in inventing errors to mislead." (Ef 4:14)
Any coincidence between these texts and the religious people, including those who invented a triune god to embrace as many pagans as they could?
Dr. Michael S. Heiser
It is his theology that got me interested in the OT. I struggled to understand my place in Faith because I had many questions. Studying YHWH's interaction with humanity from a biblical, Hebrew, and Aramaic perspective gave me hope. He, along with other theologians, led me to seminary. Not because I wanted to be a preacher but to be exposed to the enormous body of knowledge about a God who chose to redeem His creation. Powerful stuff. May he rest until our LORD returns.
Can anyone tell me where I can find the full version of this? I've just discoverd Dr. Heiser from listening to Ryan Pitterson. I'm really enjoying this!
The students who paid to take his class have access to the full version.
Excellent ... thanks Dr. Heiser ... Blessings ... Ron (Las Vegas)
We can’t help but see EVERYTHING from our own very limited physical perspective...but can embrace the totally unlimited ability of our Creator to manifest himself in infinite ways, most of which are beyond our understanding and experience. Only when we take the godly role of Bride and conform to Him in all our ways with all our being do we begin to gain a spiritual understanding of just who and what our Creator really is...after He is living IN US, undistracted by sin and transformed into His likeness-something that will not be complete until He returns as King and we will be with Him and LIKE HIM, which is only possible in small measure for any human within our temporary physical existence. 🕎❤️✝️
I've enjoyed the clip. But one question: What about John 15:26, where Christ is clearly stating that Holy Spirit comes out of Father?
He sends it throught Father. So all hypostases participate with another.
There is a progression going on here, especially in the book of John, where Jesus is building up to the fact that He is the Father, come in flesh. In John 14:26, He says the same thing He says in 15:26, only He says the FATHER will send the Spirit _in my name_ so, putting those two verses side by side, you can see that He is in fact the Father.
Jesus makes virtually all of the most significant statements from both points of view, as Father & as Son. For instance, in John 14 He says _no one comes to the FATHER except through ME. Previously, in chapter 6, He said _no one can come to ME unless the Father draws him._ The Lord knew there would be evil men & institutions promoting the Trinity so He spoke the scriptures in such a way that these liars would twist them, by the arrogance of the accuser, rather than attempting to destroy them. Now, all these thousands of years later, He has a collection of saints who have believed the Truth because they seek HIM - not religious doctrines of men & devils, like the Trinity.
"Jesus mythers" lol. Love how he cut that down to size.
Don't be one!
@@davidjanbaz7728 Don't worry. I debate atheists, I don't follow them.
like "Trinity mythers?"
@@ken440 Well Ken, all I can say is, we're not here watching your video, are we?
Jesus mythers are big mad at Heiser. ❤️
Thank you. God has blessed you with wisdom from above to explain all this. Love listening to your teachings. Blessings
Rozanna Mahmood: Let's let the Word of God prevail:
Isaiah 6, verses 1-7:
1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
5 ¶ Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.
6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
Verse 1: Isaiah saw the Lord God sitting on His throne. *Problem* *#1* for y'all: The Lord God is embodied as only embodied beings *sit.*
Verse 2: Two Seraphs, special Angelic Sons/Servants are before the Lord God.
Verse 3: One of the Two Seraphs bears witness of the Lord God's holiness. This Seraph is the Holy Ghost.
Verses 4-7: The other Seraph forgives sins *and* calls prophets *and* sends them forth to preach. This is Premortal Jesus.
Isaiah saw *ALL* *THREE* *SEPARATE* *BEINGS* just as Moses had and much like Matthew recorded.
That scream and stampede for the exit is Mickey Heiser and all his once-giddy blindlings trying to cram their way out of the arena.
BTW: The only Church that accords 100% with Isaiah and all the other Biblical-era Prophets is The Church of *Jesus* *Christ* of Latter-day Saints.
@@joshuaconnelly2415 i dont see how you get that Jump that the Seraph is forgiving sin. That passage is sin being paid ie. the coal.
Micah 5:2 Bethlehem Ephrathah although you are little out of you shall come One who will be King of Israel, whose going forth is from of old from everlasting.
This clearly talks of Jesus from being with God from eternity. You’re right, the deity of Jesus isn’t conjured it’s all over Old Testament.
Zechariah 13:7 Awake O sword against My Shepherd m, against the Man who is My Companion...
Yep
YH Wh
Micah 5:2 is referring to the only One of God, not to a second person or God.
@@approvedofGod Messiah you mean = Yeshua = Jesus!
Jesus is God, not a second god.
@@davidjanbaz7728
First of all, you did not apologize for saying that I don't have the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is God. There is no eternal God Son! That is a fabrication thanks to trinitarians.
@@approvedofGod yeah it’s referring to the one God, who is a plurality of persons. Then keep reading to verse 4, it says the ruler will come in the name of Jehovah his God. The Bible teaches a plurality in the One God, if you let the scriptures speak for itself and not twist it
Thanks for this amazing clarification. Sharing as it’s not an easy concept to grasp.
Years ago I read the book "Why I Believe" by Moshe Mamon (RAMBAM) hopefully you'll write a book about that book (it pertains to what you just said in this video) Keep up the great work
A. Colonel Angus,
Did you mean Moshe Maimon? Please share more about the book you read. Thank you !!
Talk about profound ignorance of The Old Testament! These Prophets and the later Apostles never taught the contrivances of Emperor Constantine's church.
I wish more people knew about your work thanks again 👍👏
Pedigree, If you call mincing and dicing words "work," where can I get paid for it?
@@jimlogan9883 he's a linguist so
@@jimlogan9883 get a PhD in Biblical languages and stop being ignorant!
It's so obvious that we have confirmed that Jewish rabbis taught the two YHWH's doctrine during the second temple period.
Thank you, this explains it for me. It's been on my mind for a while.
God bless you, Michael 🙏🏼✝️
I think that it is wonderful to watch this video, I was reading some of these verses 24 years ago, which led me to reading the Renewing Covenant ( New Testament ) and found Salvation or Ye-hua Je-us, thus becoming fulfilled. The Bride of the Massiach ( Messiah ) need more teachings like this. Unfortunately when I have been invited to speak, it has been met with mixed results.🙄🙄 Though it is fantastic that many people are learning more about G-d, now the hard part is for Gentiles is to stop thinking in the abstract concepts 🔳➿➰💨 ( western ) and start thinking in concrete or tangible concepts. ( eastern, the same way people thought in the TaNaKa or Old Testament ) 🕎🌏🌍🌎✝️
Isn't this the original covenant promised to Abraham? "In your seed (singular - Jesus) shall all nations be blessed"...so the New is really God's original intent as far as I can tell.
@@TruckTruck-gu9vs There was also a promise given to Eve, and her Seed. Ye-hua ( Je-us ) her Seed crush the head of the serpent ( accuser ) and the serpent would bruise His heel. 🕎🌏🌍🌎✝️
@@dawvidben-huir8101 actually God said this to the serpent. But yes it goes back to the beginning.
@@TruckTruck-gu9vs I totally agree, what part of HIS world are you ministering in, G-d took me from Israel to Australia. ,🕎🌏🌍🌎✝️
@@dawvidben-huir8101 to Australia, Glory to God! I am in the USA, moved from former Ussr. God bless you my brother in the name of Yeshua!
This very limited view of the origin of the Trinity Doctrine lacks the OT context that would explain a Hebraic understanding of connection and how the original audience would have understood these connections. While we are throwing around the term ignorance, I would offer that being ignorant of dualism and polytheism prior to the Council of Nicea is perhaps the greatest shortfall of the information contained in this video. The CoN is not responsible for the creating the doctrine; only making it necessary to be connected to the church. If Mr. Heiser is aware of the actual origins of the idea, before it was added officially to early church theology, then I hope he shares it with his followers.
How to send some few questions to Dr. Michael thanks ✌️
Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but I don't find it confusing at all to contemplate God as being multifaceted and working in this earthly realm in a manner of ways...God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, The Angel of God....He's indescribably powerful and awesome!
That is 4 gods not One & its false. What is awesome about that. Instead of understanding the love of a Father and Son people have turned God and Jesus into some weirdo alien demonic teaching that no one can comprehend at all.
The entire point of sending Jesus was so that we could know God. People have utterly ruined the gospel.
THE WISE MAN BOUGHT A BIG BOOK FROM BARNES AND NOBLE, IT WAS A RATHER LARGE THICK BOOK, IT CONTAINED SOMEWHAT SMALL LETTERING,AN OLD SAGE TOLD HIM," LOOKING THRUGH THIS BOOK WILL MEAN ONE MUST EXHERT EFFORT AND TAKE THE TIME TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH HIDDEN WITHIN" ON THE FRONT WERE WORDS THAT READ" STRONGS BIBLE CONCORDANCE" FINALY, SAID THE WISE MAN HAPPILY , THIS BOOK NOT ONLY CONTAINS ANY AND EVERY SCRIPTURE IN THE BIBLE, BUT EVEN EVERY WORD FOUND IN EACH! AHH A PLACE WHERE I CAN FIND EVERYTHING ON THE "TRINITY" EVERY WORD IS IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER AS WELL HE CHIMNED, THEN HE BEGAN HIS SEARCH HMMM... TRINITY TRINITY OH THERE! NOPE WHAT??? THE T"S END AT TROAS! TO HIS SHOCK , HE DISCOVERED THAT ,AT LEAST THIS TIME, "EVEN THE DEVILS KNOW THERE IS NO TRINITY, WHICH, STANDS TO REASON, "THE TRINITY" IS A DEVILS LIE! HE READ A SCRIPTURE THE OLD SAGE HAD TOLD HIM OF.. THOU BELIEVEST THERE IS ONE GOD, "THOU DOEST WELL" THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE AND TREMBLE JAMES 2;19 THE SCRIPTURE HE THEN REPEATED OUT LOUD FOR HOURS BEING STUNNED AND IN SHOCK WAS ACTS 2;38 BECAUSE UNDER BAPTIZM WAS EVERY BAPTIZM IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST EVER RECORDED! FINALY HE FOUND THE LIST ON THE WORD "SINNERS". AHA! THE SINNERS PRAYER WILL APPREAR AND I WILL BE VINDICATED, SINNER SINNETH WHAT ???? NO SINNERS PRAYER EITHER, UNDER "REMISSION " HE FOUND ACTS 2;38. HE MADE A BIBLICLY BASED DESCISION RIGHT THEN, TO BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, AND RECIEVE THE FREE GIFT OF GODS SPIRIT WITHIN HIMSELF, THE HOLY GHOST, AFTER FIRST REPENTING OF THE FALSE SINNERS PRAYER AND TRINITY OFCOURSE.
What is the Trinity? The Trinity is this: The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods (Elohim), One God (EL or Eloah). The use of the Hebrew word “Elohim” (a plural) was translated as God (singular) first in the Septuagint and later in the versions of the Bible specifically as found in Genesis 1:1. Elohim, God in other languages, was never meant to demonstrate the Trinity, and it would be out of context to do so. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian? Must one believe in the Trinity in order to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior and His disciples never teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians three centuries later give credence to the councils of men seeking to define the deity of Christ in conjunction with the Father without revelation from God? In the history of Christianity, the first four ecumenical councils: the First Council of Nicaea in 325, the First Council of Constantinople in 381, the Council of Ephesus in 431, the Council of Chalcedon in 451 were designed to argue over who God is without one thus says the LORD! If the doctrine of the Trinity is correct, then why did it take all these councils to finally decide and design the deity of Christ? From the beginning in the year 325 CE to the year 380 CE when it supposedly ended. Can mankind define who God is? No. Only God can reveal Himself to mankind. Accordingly, scholars agree that “Although early Christian theologians speculated in many ways on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit relationship, no one clearly and fully asserted the doctrine of the Trinity as explained...until around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy. Nonetheless, proponents of such theories always claim them to be in some sense founded on, or at least illustrated by, biblical texts” (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Dale Tuggy, 2020). In fact, the Trinitarians have claimed to base their definition of God by implication, as there is absolutely no explicit doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible. There are two seemingly explicit pillars for the Trinity in the New Testament, namely, Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8. First, 1 John 5:7-8, known as The Johannine Comma, is an interpolation (words added), as acknowledged by Christian scholars, to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is no such doctrine of the Trinity. Second, Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion by Christian scholars, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, however, the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name {YAHSHUA} as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (as published circa 316 CE) in his book on early church history the verse of Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity, evolving, has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Unfortunately, Catholics agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian.” And paradoxically, professor White further states: “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, the question goes begging, why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity? It is even more confounding when historically the Trinity developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians as a prerequisite for salvation, that despite the fact that Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, it becomes unthinkable to cast aside this doctrine even when proven to be solely based upon the traditions of men. Consequently, many could actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity! For the very reason of teaching it according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He told them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). According to the Gospel, Christians are not stipulated to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life to enter into the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would have been taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior. Biblically and historically the Trinity was never taught as also evidenced in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless and confusing Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding and confusion of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. Our God is the Son of God, the only Lord YAH, to the glory of His God and Father, and YAH means I AM.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:19-20
YOu know the Father and SOn, but Clearly the person you dont know or understand is the Holy Spirit. Jesus said he would send the helper. The clear process you know your being saved is if you hearing from God. The Holy Spirit will not speak to you, if you dont have a repentant heart. Do you understand what it means to pick up your cross daily and make Jesus you're lord and savior? As a Warning God tells us what he wants, even when you want to do the opposite. If you continue you ignore God, he will not speak to you. In your spirit, you are compelled to want to follow God. The Bible was written by Men filled with the Holy Spirit. You should only interpret the lens of the Bible, through the Holy Spirit. God's will is perfect, if i can list the cons from a theology, its most likely not true.
Sinning against the Holy Spirit is unforgiveable. This clearly states he is God! Stop twisting the Scriptures to fit your narrative, you're messing with God. When it comes to learning about the BIble i only listen to teachers who are filled with the Holy Spirit.
Listen how they explain things in circles just to prove their belief. Interpreting verses on their own. Do they still hear Jesus? Jesus said: And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God. John 17:1,3. There are many requirements to go to heaven and have eternal life. One of those is to believe that The Father is the only true God. That is from Jesus. What do the apostles say after Jesus taught them that? 1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God And Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Well, my God is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ. Even Jesus said it himself. John 20:17. Those who dont listen to Jesus, they will never know the truth. All of their trinity doctrines will be forever in parables.
@@michi-bi Why judge me? You do not know me. If I speak the truth of God's word, believe me, but if I do not, then witness to me from God's word of truth. What I have written is true, if not tell me why not.
@@michi-bi “But even if you should suffer for righteousness sake, you are blessed. And do not be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled. But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed” (1 Peter 3:14-16). How does one defend something that God never revealed to be true, and only exists as a (Trinitarian) doctrine because men gathered in two Councils (the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE & the Council of Chalcedon in 381 CE) with the audacity of defining God? Theologians admit that the Trinity is “beyond the grasp of human reason” (THE ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA, Vol. 27, “The Trinity,” 1980).
“Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament…The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies… It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single Orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (see “Trinity”, THE NEW ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA, Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.). In other words, the God of the Bible has never been revealed to be a Triune God, a Trinity. Christianity had no concept of God being a Trinity until the 4th century when bickering men defined God. Apostolic “Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds” of the 4th-century church (see “God”, THE NEW INTERNATIONAL DICTIONARY OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, Vol. 2, p. 84).
If one must believe in the Trinity doctrine to be saved, what of the early Christians who knew nothing of the doctrine of the Trinity up to the 4th century CE?
Historian writer H.G. Wells, stated: “There is no evidence that the apostles of Christ ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from him” (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499).
Martin Luther, of the Protestant Reformation, in a documented sermon preached, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (THE SERMONS OF MARTIN LUTHER, Vol. 3, p. 406).
Scriptural pillars of the Trinity are Matthew 28:19, and 1 John 5:7, and these verses are considered by scholars to be interpolations, that were added later to the Bible.
Scholars such as F. C. Conybeare have claimed that the Trinitarian baptismal formula of Matthew 28:19 was not original to the text of Matthew, and therefore is, in fact, an interpolation. Christ never said, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit…” (Matthew 28:19). In other words, was the phrase in the text "In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" inserted at a later date (say, for example, after the Council of Chalcedon in AD 381)? The correct reading of Matthew 28:19 appears to be in the Gospel of Luke, “Then He said to them, ‘Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem’” (Luke 24:46-47).
According to the church historian, Eusebius, he quotes Christ saying in Matthew 28:19, in his book: “Go and make disciples of all the nations in My name” (Eusebius, THE HISTORY of the CHURCH, p. 68, Penguin Classics, 1965).
This explains why the disciples of Christ never baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Proving that Christ’s quote in Matthew 28:19 is not original.
The baptismal formula of Matthew 28:19, as it presently stands is in direct contradiction with all of these passages:
[Acts 2:38 NASB] “Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
[Acts 8:12 NASB] “But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike.”
[Acts 10:48 NASB] “And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.”
[Romans 6:3 NASB] “Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?”
[1 Corinthians 1:13 NASB] “Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?”
[Galatians 3:27 NASB] “For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.” The original Matthew 28:19, “Go and make disciples of all nations in My name,” conforms. The conspiracy to change the words of Christ in Matthew 28:19 to bolster the Trinity doctrine also included the Didache (7:1), and all church writers previous to the 4th century. Despite the Orthodox/Roman Catholic thoroughness to conform all writings of the early church, they overlooked Eusebius’ History of the Church, and the conspiracy continues to this day!
Followers of Christ are to make disciples in His name, as He commanded, “...that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations…” What is the revealed name of the Savior? Does it matter? The apostle Peter testified, “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). Historian Ernest Renan makes it clear that the Savior was never in His lifetime known as Jesus (Ernest Renan, The Life of Jesus, p. 90).
@@myghtxx5600 “But even if you should suffer for righteousness sake, you are blessed. And do not be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled. But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed” (1 Peter 3:14-16). How does one defend something that God never revealed to be true, and only exists as a (Trinitarian) doctrine because men gathered in two Councils (the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE & the Council of Chalcedon in 381 CE) with the audacity of defining God? Theologians admit that the Trinity is “beyond the grasp of human reason” (THE ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA, Vol. 27, “The Trinity,” 1980).
“Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament…The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies… It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single Orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (see “Trinity”, THE NEW ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA, Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.). In other words, the God of the Bible has never been revealed to be a Triune God, a Trinity. Christianity had no concept of God being a Trinity until the 4th century when bickering men defined God. Apostolic “Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds” of the 4th-century church (see “God”, THE NEW INTERNATIONAL DICTIONARY OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, Vol. 2, p. 84).
If one must believe in the Trinity doctrine to be saved, what of the early Christians who knew nothing of the doctrine of the Trinity up to the 4th century CE?
Historian writer H.G. Wells, stated: “There is no evidence that the apostles of Christ ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from him” (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499).
Martin Luther, of the Protestant Reformation, in a documented sermon preached, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (THE SERMONS OF MARTIN LUTHER, Vol. 3, p. 406).
Scriptural pillars of the Trinity are Matthew 28:19, and 1 John 5:7, and these verses are considered by scholars to be interpolations, that were added later to the Bible.
Scholars such as F. C. Conybeare have claimed that the Trinitarian baptismal formula of Matthew 28:19 was not original to the text of Matthew, and therefore is, in fact, an interpolation. Christ never said, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit…” (Matthew 28:19). In other words, was the phrase in the text "In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" inserted at a later date (say, for example, after the Council of Chalcedon in AD 381)? The correct reading of Matthew 28:19 appears to be in the Gospel of Luke, “Then He said to them, ‘Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem’” (Luke 24:46-47).
According to the church historian, Eusebius, he quotes Christ saying in Matthew 28:19, in his book: “Go and make disciples of all the nations in My name” (Eusebius, THE HISTORY of the CHURCH, p. 68, Penguin Classics, 1965).
This explains why the disciples of Christ never baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Proving that Christ’s quote in Matthew 28:19 is not original.
The baptismal formula of Matthew 28:19, as it presently stands is in direct contradiction with all of these passages:
[Acts 2:38 NASB] “Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
[Acts 8:12 NASB] “But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike.”
[Acts 10:48 NASB] “And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.”
[Romans 6:3 NASB] “Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?”
[1 Corinthians 1:13 NASB] “Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?”
[Galatians 3:27 NASB] “For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.”
The original Matthew 28:19, “Go and make disciples of all nations in My name,” conforms. The conspiracy to change the words of Christ in Matthew 28:19 to bolster the Trinity doctrine also included the Didache (7:1), and all church writers previous to the 4th century. Despite the Orthodox/Roman Catholic thoroughness to conform all writings of the early church, they overlooked Eusebius’ History of the Church, and the conspiracy continues to this day! Followers of Christ are to make disciples in His name, as He commanded, “...that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations…” What is the revealed name of the Savior? Does it matter? The apostle Peter testified, “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). Historian Ernest Renan makes it clear that the Savior was never in His lifetime known as Jesus (Ernest Renan, The Life of Jesus, p. 90).
Who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity??
Was Abraham a trinitarian or monotheist?
Is the doctrine of God an absolute numerical one or not?
I personally believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three separate individuals, but all equal and united in purpose. I get this from Jesus' baptism. Jesus is in the water; the Holy Spirit descends upon Jesus and God speaking from heaven.
I realize that God is God and can do anything He wants, but the apparent presence of three individuals is hard to deny.
Could the phrase "the angel of his presence" in Isaiah 63: 9 be referring to Jesus?
YES. It's the preincarnate Christ
Yes 💯
You can make it whatever you want it to be. That's the beauty of obscure passages. That's how we end up with over 30,000 Christian denominations.
@@grasonicus no the text is clear. It’s just you’re biblical illiterate
@@tombfire6281 An unsubstantiated claim. "The angel of his presence" does not equal Jesus.
Love and miss you Dr. Heiser! I know you're up there dancing with the stars, praising and worshipping our wonderful Savior!
Why does one have to read into the Hebrew scriptures the doctrine of the Trinity in vague passages?
If the the Trinity is true - and that would make it the most important doctrine in scripture - why isn't there a single passage in the entire Hebrew scriptures that EXPLICITLY attests the doctrine of the Trinity?
@@faithnreason446that's not an explicit passage. It's a vague passage. That's exactly my point.
@@faithnreason446 the Jewish interpretation is that this is Isaiah speaking, by the way it doesn't say he was sent by the spirit of God, it says, "The LORD sent me and his spirit."
It's vague because you will only argue that it implies the Trinity. It is not an explicit declaration of the Trinity. That is my point! I repeat, there isn't a single passage in the entire Hebrew scriptures that EXPLICITLY declares the Trinity. On the contrary, there are numerous passages in the Hebrew scriptures that attests to the monotheism of God, such as Deuteronomy 6:4 that says that God is one, not three in one.
I really appreciate some of what Dr. Heiser taught (may he rest in peace) but he seemed to have a blind spot concerning the trinity. He discredited himself by equating "I am" ego eimi with the Yahweh of the OT. The man born blind uses the same phrase in John 9:9.
He could have done way better by simply making that middle bubble the "flesh". In both OT and NT it is the fleshly version of YHUH. Appreciate lots of his work. And in love I need need to point out where my dude could serve more efficiently. All love!
May you rest in paradise Michael. Thank you for everything
Hey Dr Heiser, I try to make it simple in my mind by the holy Spirit being God's literal breath / wind since that appears to be the interpretation of what spirit is. Like when God spoke the world into existence. You can't speak without breath or wind. Or when God breathed into the church in the day of Pentecost like a rushing mighty "wind" Or when God breathed into Adam giving him life. It appears that when God speaks his breath / wind is the holy Spirit. Do you think this analogy is correct ? Thanks for all the awesome videos I appreciate it God bless.
No, its probably not correct.
First of all, just because a word has different meanings, it does not mean the meanings are interchangeable.
Secondly, God is immaterial, and he has no literal breath unless he wanted to create a breathe such as the breathe of Jesus incarnated. But that breath could not be the Spirit because the Bible says the Spirit is eternal (Heb 9:14)
Thirdly, the Hebrew and Greek words for spirit (ruach and pneuma) could also mean breath, yes, but they are not interchangeable. Altgough the Jews used the words ruach and pneuma, they didnt think of wind and spirit as interchangeable concepts. The Jews also believed in immaterial spirits ie demons (evil spirits) as well as the Holy Spirit, however they would never describe them as wind. I dont recall the gentiles thinking of spirits as literal wind either. Their is no reason to think the authors of the Bible, knowing they had those audiences, would use the words interchangeably either.
@@ea-tr1jh well that's not what the Bible says though. It said God breathed into Adam. Also the day of Pentecost God breathed into the church like a rushing mighty wind.. God also spoke things into existence. There's so many passages of speaking and breathing so I don't understand what you mean by God does not breathe..
@@justinsmitley7619 Its cant be literal though. God is immaterial. To suggest otherwise is to muddle what the Bible says.
If God is spirit, and spirit meant wind, then the Bible says God is wind. I guess all those demons are also wind. To suggest that the author meant demons and God are wind is absurd and to rip out of context the author's words.
@@justinsmitley7619 In the ancient world, spirits were immaterial. To suggest something is spirit means they are immaterial.
@@justinsmitley7619 But Adam and Eve existed before God breathed his spirit into his body.
Interesting point. It is possible that both Heiser and those he calls "Mythers" (maybe a bit disrespectful of Dr. Heiser, I think) are correct at the same time, unless one is able to verify whether or not the bishops at, say, Nicea used those very same passages explicitly to describe their view of the trinity. If that should show itself NOT to be the case, the concept of a Trinity may very well be implicit in the Judaeo-Christian heritage itself as a whole. If none of those OT ideas were hinted at by the bishops of old, it does not neccessarily mean that Ehrman is wrong, It would be helpful if Dr.Heiser would provide references to those exact texts on the first few centuries OT theology of trinity which people like Dr. Ehrman and others seem to have overlooked.
Oh please, trinity was part of the church from the start, Jesus said to baptize in the triune nature of God.
Could Melkizadek and other ones like him have been manifestations of the Holy Ghost or the fruits of the Holy Ghost?
*_God Bless All who Believe and may the Lord open the eyes of many in Jesus of Nazareth's name, Messiah of all humanity._*
I love your teaching. It's biblical, it's amazing. May God bless you and your family.
@@voiceinthewilderness5784?
@@voiceinthewilderness5784 didn't write what? You need to be more articulate.
I’m equally perplexed! That comment might not have belonged there.
@@voiceinthewilderness5784 oh, ok
Yeah couldn’t make head or tail of it myself! Thank you for pointing it out, I removed it.
This is because Isaiah - being a prophet - understood what THE 'son of man' is; and is the reason why Jesus always referred in the 3rd person to... 'the' son of man.
The 'son of man' is the 'spiritual gateway' or 'door' that is the 'access point' of a relationship with 'God'.
Jesus asks, "will the son of man find faith when he returns?", and again as always, in a 3rd person context, and accurately so as Jesus was referring to the 'spirit' that must be obeyed (by faith) in order to 'hear' the commands of God.
Notice in Ezekiel 2, where God says, 'son of man, STAND and I will speak with you.", and it is at this point that the spirit 'enters' Ezekiel and 'sets him on his feet'.
This is also demonstrated in the verses that speak of the Armor of God... whereby possessing (through work, study, and knowledge) one can build their spiritual 'armor', that they would be able to 'stand'... or to say, 'not lose faith', because of tribulation amd testing.
I don't understand. So if God manifested as a angel shouldn't the Godhead be a quadrilateral being. Or when he manifested as the burning bush,... what about a Pentagon? God is everywhere and can manifest himself anywhere. What I find VERY strange is that the revelation of a triune God need to be so convoluted and complicated. Honestly, I don't think I have a high enough IQ or intellectual capacity to understand this stuff.
I can't believe the trinity because at the moment I need to take church word for it. I can pay lip service to the idea but then I am lying to myself and to everyone else. Much like most Christians do.
No, it was DEFINED by the Catholic Council of Nicea, but if sola scriptura were in play, they would have argued about it online for 1,000 years. Why accept one Council but not the rest?
Cause it's biblical
@@simelisiphomncube3434 No, the trinity is an invention of men. Neither Jesus nor his Apostles ever taught it: Charles Ryrie, in Basic Theology, writes: It is fair to say that the Bible does not clearly teach the doctrine of the Trinity . . . In fact, there is not even one proof text, if by proof text we mean a verse or passage that 'clearly' states that there is one God who exists in three persons" (1999, p. 89).
@@Cato-263 the trinity is not taught In scripture but is evidently shown. Just like Jesus. He never called himself God but he is God. We never needed the catholic teachings about the trinity
The trinity:
It's right there in the old and new Testament
It's right there when we get baptised
In whose name do we get baptised in?
In God name we get baptised
And that is the Holy spirit, The Son and The Father it's right there in the bible
OLD TESTAMENT
We have the Angel of Lord as
We have the Holy Spirit
And we have the LORD.
@@simelisiphomncube3434 Why are my comments being deleted? Please ask the author of the post to stop deleting my comments. So far 4 comments of mine have been deleted. Why is he afraid of the truth. I can take screen shots if you don't believe me.
Always refreshing and anointed truth. Always edified by his teachings bold and cutting straight without fear and intimidation. Glory to Jesus.
Fantastic learning experience 😃👍🏼
This is an excellent talk and reminds us not to neglect the Hebrew Scriptures in our devotion and study. It's the foundation of our faith and, without it as Dr Heiser says, the New Testament is meaningless in many places. I wish Mike would concentrate more on these issues and leave the science fiction behind
Septuagint Greek is far more accurate on much of this. Jews falsely accused Jesus of being God so they are not the best translators either on certain points.
That was so simple yet so good. Thank you so much for your service to the church, Dr. Heiser. Your manner of addressing this is altogether scholarly and biblical.
May the Lord bless you more with opportunities to be able to speak these things to greater audiences. We need this even more in our churches today considering the widespread ignorance of the Old Testament in preaching and teaching amongst congregations.
To God be the glory!
Honestly, I don't think I have a high enough IQ or intellectual capacity to understand this stuff. I can't say I believe the trinity because at the moment I really don't understand it. Doesn't make sense. I guess it's kind of like a theoretical math formula. Probably why I struggle.
@@snaphaan5049God Is One Being Existing as 3 Persons Father Son Holy Spirt.
@@au8363 You are rehashing what everyone says but it makes no sense. It's like that 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 nonsense. This is pure theological speculation and make believe. The Catholics can provide biblical proof for the assumption of Mary, Tranasubstantiation and even something as silly as the pope. So yeah, you can propably scrape out something like the trinity doctrine if you have time on your hand and the intellectual capacity. But most people don't. Fact.
The trinity doctrine has no bearing on my life or anyone I know whatsoever. It's nothing like the ten commandments
@@snaphaan5049 so how do you know God?
@@au8363 My dad is 85 and my mom 75. They don't understand the trinity. They are good people, reformers but speculative theology like the trinity never made much impact. Even today I bet you most people sitting in the pew here in George have no idea what it's really about.
My parents had to somehow raise 5 children after my dad lost his contract. We fell on some hard times but I will never forget what got us through it (my siblings were too young). They had absolute faith that God will help us through it. And he did. One morning in 1994 while reading the book of Samuel my dad had a epiphany. And everything changed after that.
So you tell me. How do they know God? Or why did God help them and help me through my life? No trinity doctrine was involved in any part of their lives. And neither did it impact my life and I'm already close to 50.
You bible geeks forget that their are normal people with normal problems and some really don't have the mental capacity or maybe even the interest to understand this stuff. So they have to take YOUR word for it.
If we were catholic that kind of approach might have made more sense.
YHWH spoke and acted through angels, men, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit, Fire, prophets, etc...Jesus was present as YHWH' Son prior to creation of Adam and Eve. Could it be that Jesus was YHWH's first and last creation? We also have to remember that the original texts are locked away in the Vatican. My belief is that the Serpent will do anything to deter us from YHWH; any deception so as long as YHWH is not the primary focus. Jesus Christ distinguished His Father from Himself on many occasions and was very clear about it.
Thanks 🙏 Dr Heiser!!
"Let us make man in our own image." Enough said.
Wow! What a great teaching. Thank you Dr Heiser!
In reading the comments, I can see that there are those whom have not listened to the concepts you teach or read your books!
have you ever read the revelation of Abraham. and the testament of Moses
@@enoch7thadam1st2 Yh carry on
I didn't need his books to understand Michael is correct. I've been studying the OT for years. It was then I realized that the NT is an extension of the OT. Most of what is written in the NT comes from the OT or is fulfillment of OT prophecy. There are 3 aspects of God, in one God --- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There are people who simply can't wrap their minds around it. One of the most common questions is, if Jesus is God, then how or why would he be praying to himself in Gethsemane? Answer, he is also the Son in the flesh. We are talking about an omnipresent God who is everywhere at the same time.
@@kimberlyboldt5213
God is everywhere? Is God in hell too?
If god is e eryqhwre, then you have limited God, or gave him a shape or a description, God becomes a machine, God becomes jesus .
This is why the trinity is a herecy a blasphemy. In your guts and everyone guts God is unlike anything else you can possibly imagine, you say sometimes that God is in heaven, hes not I heaven we say that because we dont know better to say.
Fix your belief and you should be ok.
@@tryemc3026 That is an uneducated response. Your own words betray you. You have not read, studied or understood the scriptures in any way shape or form. How do you expect to have intelligent discussion when you haven't even studied the subject matter? Furthermore, you are ignorant in the sciences, and how God operates in the universe. I've spent 30 years in the subject matter. If you want to argue scripture, you are welcome to debate me.
Does anyone have the full link to this?
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, and God said, "Let there be Light". God, The Word and The Spirit at Creation
Are The Angel of The Lord and Yahshua the same? Are they both the Word?
Yes the Angel of the Lord is the Pre-Incarnate Word of God (Jesus Christ)
@Jooha We The Angel of the Lord appeared to Moses in the burning bush, and to Abraham when he was to sacrifice Isaac yet calls himself God to both Abraham and Moses
This isn't Mormon or Jehovah's Witnesses rhetoric
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@Jooha We Angel means messenger. So the "Angel" if he is worshipped if regarded as being divine as the Angel of the Lord is.
Check out the videos I sent to you
My mum explained it to me when I was 5 that God is like an orange and its segments - where ever you put the seperate pieces, they still come from that one place that makes it whole. Definitely satisfied my curiosity & helped me to understand His awesomeness
That's tripartism which is a heresy according to the Catholic church
Cute. But it doesn't solve the core issues. Honestly, I don't think I have a high enough IQ or intellectual capacity to understand this stuff. I can't say I believe the trinity because at the moment I really don't understand it. 99% of people don't. They swallow up analogies like this but if you start scratching you realize these people are clueless. But I guess it's kind of like a theoretical math formula. Probably why I struggle.
It's always funny how Christians drag along along the spirit in the trinity - most don't really know what to do with it. Even the early church was confused about that aspect and only in 362 (I think) they finally settled on the spirit as part of the triune God. Crazy.
@@snaphaan5049and there it’s only in this level of honesty does one actually see clearly. The author of confusion is satan, not the most high. So if we the people are in constant confusion about a certain teaching or doctrine, critical thinking skills would allow you to srealize that satan is seeking to be worshipped and glorified like the most high and to be his equal by claiming a name that he comes in to deceive the whole world. i believe we are to only worship the most high, the one true god. his son was sent to teach us his way and to always go to the father as the only god. Anyone who is worshiping Jesus the son and god the father as EQUALS has been deceived into worshipping two gods. For satan also holds the title of god of this world, does that mean he is also god? No it doesn’t, god is a title. A title that’s synonymous with ruler. A father and son are never equals. The apple and the tree are not the same. The apple comes from the tree. Just as Christ the son came from God the father. and he bared the fruit of his father aka he lived and showed himself to be from the tree of the most high, his father. Our creator uses nature to teach us the most simplest yet most potent lessons. It’s only in the confusion of a trinity do people start to struggle understanding who is who and what is what.
@@Southforthewinter Well said, and agreed! If it doesn't make sense, then we can assume satan caused this confusion. The trinity is a man made doctrine. Jesus is the Son of God! No one comes to the father but by him. John 14:6 Simple, clear, and to the point.
That is modalism, not Trinitarianism. Your Mum meant well, but forgive me, she is wrong in her analogy. What is the Trinity? The Trinity is this: The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods (Elohim), One God (EL or Eloah). The use of the Hebrew word “Elohim” (a plural) was translated as God (singular) first in the Septuagint and later in the versions of the Bible specifically as found in Genesis 1:1. Elohim, God in other languages, was never meant to demonstrate the Trinity, and it would be out of context to do so. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian? Must one believe in the Trinity in order to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior and His disciples never teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians three centuries later give credence to the councils of men seeking to define the deity of Christ in conjunction with the Father without revelation from God? In the history of Christianity, the first four ecumenical councils: the First Council of Nicaea in 325, the First Council of Constantinople in 381, the Council of Ephesus in 431, the Council of Chalcedon in 451 were designed to argue over who God is without one thus says the LORD! If the doctrine of the Trinity is correct, then why did it take all these councils to finally decide and design the deity of Christ? From the beginning in the year 325 CE to the year 380 CE when it supposedly ended. Can mankind define who God is? No. Only God can reveal Himself to mankind. Accordingly, scholars agree that “Although early Christian theologians speculated in many ways on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit relationship, no one clearly and fully asserted the doctrine of the Trinity as explained...until around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy. Nonetheless, proponents of such theories always claim them to be in some sense founded on, or at least illustrated by, biblical texts” (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Dale Tuggy, 2020). In fact, the Trinitarians have claimed to base their definition of God by implication, as there is absolutely no explicit doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible. There are two seemingly explicit pillars for the Trinity in the New Testament, namely, Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8. First, 1 John 5:7-8, known as The Johannine Comma, is an interpolation (words added), as acknowledged by Christian scholars, to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is no such doctrine of the Trinity. Second, Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion by Christian scholars, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, however, the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name {YAHSHUA} as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (as published circa 316 CE) in his book on early church history the verse of Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity, evolving, has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Unfortunately, Catholics agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian.” And paradoxically, professor White further states: “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, the question goes begging, why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity? It is even more confounding when historically the Trinity developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians as a prerequisite for salvation, that despite the fact that Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, it becomes unthinkable to cast aside this doctrine even when proven to be solely based upon the traditions of men. Consequently, many could actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity! For the very reason of teaching it according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He told them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). According to the Gospel, Christians are not stipulated to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life to enter into the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would have been taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior. Biblically and historically the Trinity was never taught as also evidenced in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless and confusing Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding and confusion of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. Our God is the Son of God, the only Lord YAH, to the glory of His God and Father, and YAH means I AM.
GOD BLESS you Dr Michael S. Heiser
May the Lord keep blessing this teacher's soul in Heaven. He really contributed to the Kingdom. Amen, in Jesus Christ Holy, anointed and righteous name!
Isaiah says " grieved HIS Holy Spirit." The emphasis on HIS. Not grieved 'the' Holy Spirit
If you read the beginning of that, it's talking about the Lord and the Israelites rebelling against the Lord's Holy Spirit. Still The Holy Spirit chief.
Being ignorant of the Hebrew or Greek and making arguments from the English language translation is a poor argument.
Try getting an Theological education first which you don't seem to have.
Jesus is not the Holy Spirit and you can blasphemy the Holy Spirit ( a Spiritual person in the Trinity) but Jesus said you could speak against him and its different.
So they are not the same.
The Holy Spirit is a He not you're cousin it.
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@Carlos Corona twisting!
@@wildbeast7375 What rancor, man, you Trinitarians are vicious. What is the Trinity? The Trinity is this: The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods (Elohim), One God (EL or Eloah). The use of the Hebrew word “Elohim” (a plural) was translated as God (singular) first in the Septuagint and later in the versions of the Bible specifically as found in Genesis 1:1. Elohim, God in other languages, was never meant to demonstrate the Trinity, and it would be out of context to do so. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian? Must one believe in the Trinity in order to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior and His disciples never teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians three centuries later give credence to the councils of men seeking to define the deity of Christ in conjunction with the Father without revelation from God? In the history of Christianity, the first four ecumenical councils: the First Council of Nicaea in 325, the First Council of Constantinople in 381, the Council of Ephesus in 431, the Council of Chalcedon in 451 were designed to argue over who God is without one thus says the LORD! If the doctrine of the Trinity is correct, then why did it take all these councils to finally decide and design the deity of Christ? From the beginning in the year 325 CE to the year 380 CE when it supposedly ended. Can mankind define who God is? No. Only God can reveal Himself to mankind. Accordingly, scholars agree that “Although early Christian theologians speculated in many ways on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit relationship, no one clearly and fully asserted the doctrine of the Trinity as explained...until around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy. Nonetheless, proponents of such theories always claim them to be in some sense founded on, or at least illustrated by, biblical texts” (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Dale Tuggy, 2020). In fact, the Trinitarians have claimed to base their definition of God by implication, as there is absolutely no explicit doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible. There are two seemingly explicit pillars for the Trinity in the New Testament, namely, Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8. First, 1 John 5:7-8, known as The Johannine Comma, is an interpolation (words added), as acknowledged by Christian scholars, to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is no such doctrine of the Trinity. Second, Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion by Christian scholars, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, however, the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name {YAHSHUA} as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (as published circa 316 CE) in his book on early church history the verse of Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity, evolving, has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Unfortunately, Catholics agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian.” And paradoxically, professor White further states: “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, the question goes begging, why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity? It is even more confounding when historically the Trinity developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians as a prerequisite for salvation, that despite the fact that Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, it becomes unthinkable to cast aside this doctrine even when proven to be solely based upon the traditions of men. Consequently, many could actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity! For the very reason of teaching it according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He told them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). According to the Gospel, Christians are not stipulated to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life to enter into the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would have been taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior. Biblically and historically the Trinity was never taught as also evidenced in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless and confusing Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding and confusion of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. Our God is the Son of God, the only Lord YAH, to the glory of His God and Father, and YAH means I AM.
The Trinity comes from the god Trinity of the Sumarians and adopted by Catholic and protestant , and changing the Truth o of One God into a truine god
LOL, why would you think that the Catholic Church would adopt a pagan belief to explain who God is, rather than just use the Bible to explain it, because the concept of God being ONE GOD in three distinct persons is actually pretty clear in Scripture, if the Holy Spirit guides you and opens your mind to accept it as being true.
@@jzak5723 Apparently it is not that clear. Let's examine: What is the Trinity? The Trinity is this: The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods (Elohim), One God (EL or Eloah). The use of the Hebrew word “Elohim” (a plural) was translated as God (singular) first in the Septuagint and later in the versions of the Bible specifically as found in Genesis 1:1. Elohim, God in other languages, was never meant to demonstrate the Trinity, and it would be out of context to do so. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian? Must one believe in the Trinity in order to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior and His disciples never teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians three centuries later give credence to the councils of men seeking to define the deity of Christ in conjunction with the Father without revelation from God? In the history of Christianity, the first four ecumenical councils: the First Council of Nicaea in 325, the First Council of Constantinople in 381, the Council of Ephesus in 431, the Council of Chalcedon in 451 were designed to argue over who God is without one thus says the LORD! If the doctrine of the Trinity is correct, then why did it take all these councils to finally decide and design the deity of Christ? From the beginning in the year 325 CE to the year 380 CE when it supposedly ended. Can mankind define who God is? No. Only God can reveal Himself to mankind. Accordingly, scholars agree that “Although early Christian theologians speculated in many ways on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit relationship, no one clearly and fully asserted the doctrine of the Trinity as explained...until around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy. Nonetheless, proponents of such theories always claim them to be in some sense founded on, or at least illustrated by, biblical texts” (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Dale Tuggy, 2020). In fact, the Trinitarians have claimed to base their definition of God by implication, as there is absolutely no explicit doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible. There are two seemingly explicit pillars for the Trinity in the New Testament, namely, Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8. First, 1 John 5:7-8, known as The Johannine Comma, is an interpolation (words added), as acknowledged by Christian scholars, to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is no such doctrine of the Trinity. Second, Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion by Christian scholars, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, however, the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name {YAHSHUA} as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (as published circa 316 CE) in his book on early church history the verse of Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity, evolving, has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Unfortunately, Catholics agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian.” And paradoxically, professor White further states: “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, the question goes begging, why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity? It is even more confounding when historically the Trinity developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians as a prerequisite for salvation, that despite the fact that Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, it becomes unthinkable to cast aside this doctrine even when proven to be solely based upon the traditions of men. Consequently, many could actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity! For the very reason of teaching it according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He told them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). According to the Gospel, Christians are not stipulated to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life to enter into the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would have been taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior. Biblically and historically the Trinity was never taught as also evidenced in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless and confusing Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding and confusion of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. Our God is the Son of God, the only Lord YAH, to the glory of His God and Father, and YAH means I AM.
@@jzak5723THE CHURCH ADOPTED PLENTY OF PAGANISM FALSE DOCTRINES LIKE THE TRINITY XMAS EASTER SUNDAY WORSHIP THANKSGIVING BDAY CELEBRATIONS
Thanks Dr. Heiser
0:52 - Isaiah 63:10 and the Holy Spirit
1:24 - Psalm 78:35, Psalm 78:39-40, and God
I have often meditated on this wonder ... when the Seraphim cry out "Holy, Holy, Holy" they are addressing a Trinity-individually! (in the OT in Isaiah and in the NT in Revelation) ❤️
Don't forget the Prophet Elias giving 3 prostrations to God to raise the Widow's son
Wow great catch! Never thought of that!
@@willtheperson7224 What is the Trinity? The Trinity is this: The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods (Elohim), One God (EL or Eloah). The use of the Hebrew word “Elohim” (a plural) was translated as God (singular) first in the Septuagint and later in the versions of the Bible specifically as found in Genesis 1:1. Elohim, God in other languages, was never meant to demonstrate the Trinity, and it would be out of context to do so. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian? Must one believe in the Trinity in order to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior and His disciples never teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians three centuries later give credence to the councils of men seeking to define the deity of Christ in conjunction with the Father without revelation from God? In the history of Christianity, the first four ecumenical councils: the First Council of Nicaea in 325, the First Council of Constantinople in 381, the Council of Ephesus in 431, the Council of Chalcedon in 451 were designed to argue over who God is without one thus says the LORD! If the doctrine of the Trinity is correct, then why did it take all these councils to finally decide and design the deity of Christ? From the beginning in the year 325 CE to the year 380 CE when it supposedly ended. Can mankind define who God is? No. Only God can reveal Himself to mankind. Accordingly, scholars agree that “Although early Christian theologians speculated in many ways on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit relationship, no one clearly and fully asserted the doctrine of the Trinity as explained...until around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy. Nonetheless, proponents of such theories always claim them to be in some sense founded on, or at least illustrated by, biblical texts” (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Dale Tuggy, 2020). In fact, the Trinitarians have claimed to base their definition of God by implication, as there is absolutely no explicit doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible. There are two seemingly explicit pillars for the Trinity in the New Testament, namely, Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8. First, 1 John 5:7-8, known as The Johannine Comma, is an interpolation (words added), as acknowledged by Christian scholars, to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is no such doctrine of the Trinity. Second, Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion by Christian scholars, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, however, the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name {YAHSHUA} as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (as published circa 316 CE) in his book on early church history the verse of Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity, evolving, has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Unfortunately, Catholics agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian.” And paradoxically, professor White further states: “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, the question goes begging, why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity? It is even more confounding when historically the Trinity developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians as a prerequisite for salvation, that despite the fact that Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, it becomes unthinkable to cast aside this doctrine even when proven to be solely based upon the traditions of men. Consequently, many could actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity! For the very reason of teaching it according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He told them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). According to the Gospel, Christians are not stipulated to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life to enter into the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would have been taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior. Biblically and historically the Trinity was never taught as also evidenced in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless and confusing Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding and confusion of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. Our God is the Son of God, the only Lord YAH, to the glory of His God and Father, and YAH means I AM.
False
HOW BECAUSE THEY SAID HOLY 3 TIMES DOES IT EQUAL A TRINITY
I mean, without Dr. Heiser's scholarly insistence that the Angel of YHWH, in the Old Testament, is Jesus---I too would be "profoundly ignorant" of this (critically important) aspect of the OT---just as ignorant as are the "Jesus mythers."
Because many shepherds have led their flocks to the slaughter. They have not been good watchmen... And do not know the scriptures though they search them day after day.
Yahway in the Old Testament is one of the elohim. Not God Almighty. He demanded sacrifices and for destruction of people
Please ignore Michael’s teaching which is total falsehood on this issue
@@Thewatchman303 Ok, JJ. But only because you say so, and only because you say so without any corroborating evidence to support your assertion.
Assertions >>> scholarship. Life is actually VERY EASY.
@@seankennedy4284 buddy, I appreciate you do not know me so I understand your point. However, Please be rest assured that I am in the process of writing a full scriptural and I believe irrefutable rebuttal. I was just so outraged by his deception I had to speak out.
So in which state was God more or less divine before or after God became flesh, God died. God was raised by God and God was called back to rejoin with God in heaven? Which state was more and which state was less?
Philippians 2.
@@steflondon88
A. Famously mistranslated passage. Not only do most translations improperly render a term that should be is as was, but trinitarians have altered the meaning behind the context of this passage.
But, verse 6 which is the verse I'm sure that you're trying to use to explain the Trinity well ignoring my previous point because it's a critical paradox in man's trinity doctrine, does not mean what you think it means. Or should I say, what you have been indoctrinated to believe it means. The word harpagmos It's not talking about what Jesus did, it's talking about what he did not consider doing, he did not consider plundering or trying to be equal to God or above God. Unlike for example Lucifer or Nimrod. There's a lot more to the argument, but you're not going to bring up a single trinitarian verse or argument I haven't heard before. The extreme detailed history of the other side of this doctrine from Arius who held a minor faction that wanted to stick to the original understanding and his opponents that were also a minor faction with the vast majority of the religious leaders of the time, that being the early 3rd century CE falling somewhere in between or in the middle of the new doctrine of the duality, ( it was not the Trinity until decades later when they incorporated the Holy Spirit) where they wanted to say that Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God was Almighty God himself. It was settled by force under threat of law by a pagan emperor that had his wife and son's murdered and who worshiped the sun, and was not baptized until his deathbed. Constantine did not give a rip about true biblical doctrines or the teachings of the early church fathers like tertullion or the apostles. The doctrine was inserted into Christian thinking and philosophy starting around 180 CE in theophilus of Antioch. But I'm sure you knew all of that. My suggestion is maybe research the counter arguments yourself and take the responsibility into your own hands. If you think you have an argument or a verse that can't be beaten to prove the Trinity, then you have nothing to fear about looking at the other side.
GOD is SPIRIT!
If JESUS CAME, was SENT
LIKE HE AFFIRMS
BEFORE ABRAHAM
I AM.
So JESUS WAS IN HEAVEN WITH THE FATHER
HE BECAME A SON OF MAN ~ Adam!
From The Spirit realm into the physical realm.
John 17
HE RETURNED TO HEAVEN THE SPIRITUAL
TO SHARE AGAIN GLORY!!!
What mere man created being could ever do that??
THE RESURRECTION PROVES JESUS WAS RIGHTEOUS AND HOLY
@@P.H.888
Yes. Jesus was sent by the Father to do his Father's will.
He existed before Abraham. By the way, there's no direct Hebrew or Aramaic rendering of English " I am" to be found in any manuscripts. Unfortunately, we don't have any Aramaic manuscripts of the passage of the New testament. But if the Greek phrase use there that is improperly translated, I am, is to literally mean the "I AM" (not proper rendering, It actually means I exist or I will be, in a continuous sense) what about all the other times The Greek phrase rendered I am is used in the New testament?
Lazarus , the widows son (OT) and Eutychus we're also resurrected?
By the way, there's not a single passage in scripture that says Jesus raised himself. It always says the Father raised him. When Jesus says if you throw it on this temple in 3 days I will raise it up, there are two explanations. Number one, he was speaking figuratively. Number two, it was the Father speaking through his prophet, his Son.
How can you share Glory with yourself and be not equal but equal with yourself at the same time?
So I ask again. In what state was Almighty God More or less divine, eternal and unchanging, before Jesus or after Jesus?
praying for you Brother Michael. I love Yahusha and keep the TenWords. I love the MISHPACHA
Oh yes, this oldie slogan. Like a broken record from many muslims and oneness'. Great video, Dr. Heiser!
@jonney tango your so lame: lmbo!
You're following the true antichrist: the god of this world: haSatan!
@jonney tango you have a lot going on in that comment, just wondering though, what do you mean by a Satanic Jewish Bible? Are you referring to the mesoretic text which is what the King James and Vulgate (Latin catholic bible) and translated from? If that is what your referring to why do you say the mesoretic text is a “satanic Jewish Bible”? I just don’t know what you mean by that, thanks.
@jonney tangoJewish Satanic Bible???
Ah you mean the Satanic verses of Muhammad !
The real Satanic Bible is by Aton La Vey !
Friend of Richard Ramirez who died in San Quentin.
Google them!
@jonney tango you are very mixed up. Perverting the name of Christ is exactly what Satan wants you to do. You’re listening to the wrong people. 1 God, 3 persons, Jesus is God sent to Earth as a sacrifice for all sin. If you don’t put your faith in Him, you cannot see Heaven as He states in the NT. Nobody comes to the Father but through Me.
ruclips.net/video/0twZsqQYemw/видео.html
Again I am so very grateful for your Knowledge Dr. Heiser and for sharing with those of us that are Hungary for the truth!
Donna Hamilton
You are not getting truth. He is really selling you the dark history of paganism in the guise of biblical truth.
@@approvedofGod yaaaa wrong!
When you don't have the Holy Spirit you cannot see truth!
Watch all his videos before making up your mind : they all fit together in the context of the time and people the books were written !
I wasn't sure at first either but the more i watched the more they make sense and actually helped my apologetics against Mormonism.
@@davidjanbaz7728
Talking about making wrong judgments! You are completely wrong about me not having the Holy Spirit! It is you who cannot see.
@@approvedofGod denying the trinity as the this video shows that the Bible teaches both in the O.T and N.T. is a sure sign that you don't have the Holy Spirit and you are Spirituality blind to that fact!
@@davidjanbaz7728
That is one conclusion. The other is that I know how Trinitarians continue to mislead, by twisting, and misinterpreting scripture.
It is the Holy Spirit who is revealing the truth of the false trinity doctrine.
Trinitarians are so ignorant they don't even know how to pray to their trinity!
Mr Heiser, why Jesus sent his apostles in Matthew 28:19, to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?
I love the opening line of this video....
These verses are very helpful. They also help dispel with modalism as well.
Thank you
3:48 the amazing thing about modern technology is we've actually created this exact Concept in our own video games where we can essentially put ourselves in our own creation and yet it's not us but it is US interacting within the simulation we have.
Not sure if you were asking the audience what they thought.
I do not think the Trinity was added later however it's one of the founding concepts of the whole. What I do think is they changed what it actually meant as a game for the learned.
Where in scripture is the trinity taught as a "founding concept"? If the trinity is the fundamental belief in christianity, then WHY is the main fundamental teaching not once mentioned in scripture?
Who did Jesus worship? Who is the God of our Lord Jesus?
@@freestylmx311 jesus worshipped himself and his God. If you read the scripture Jesus proclaims he is God. Therefore you have to do the same.
Founding concept because it's from a religion older than christianity called prisca theologia the body! The mind! The supreme God. The Trinity.
Jesus didn't come to start a religion he obeyed nature in the honest of opinions. The Christ is a title bestowed on humans for living in this purity.
Not to be rude there are a lot of questions about to be asked. Like why the Codex siniticus includes the hermetica. Why mark chapter 16 the last 12 verses are not there.
Those last twelve happen to be the most important in the whole babble and weren't included in 3rd century manuscripts and codexs.
Also why churches in rome show jesus with a staff and wand.
Lots of questions to be asked.
To answer your last question is the Sun is Jesus. The lord is your mind as it's the lord of your body. The sun of God be the body. You are not your body but an observer. Your body feels. Holy ghost is the soul. Israel. Isis - Ra - Elohim.
You live in your body but do not know the trinity of yourself.
The Greeks were not writing for them but for people ahead of their time. They knew readers out themselves in the main character when reading.which is why they wrote like a snake so you did not have to pause.
Hope I've answered your question sufficiently
@@bearwater8747 two heretics arguing: : i love it.
There are at least 8or 9 different groups on here maybe 10 .
The Gnostics and new agers,
mormons ,
Unitarians, and Combined all are attacking Christianity that should tell you who has truth as Satan hates the Truth of God.
You can attack each other too !
@Desire Of All Nations And you now believe what one person in the Roman Catholic Church says on this point but everything else are lies : that was a very poor attempt at an argument. Very incoherent!
The true Church teaching on the trinity was around way before the RCC came into being and dominated the western Church/ the Orthodox churches dominated the Eastern Church.
The Orthodox teach the trinity also!
Maybe you need a history lesson.
Ryan Reeves has good Church history videos!
@@davidjanbaz7728 no arguments here. I follow an older religion called prisca theologia no need to argue with anyone just informing.
Heretics are those who do not know that they are God speaking. Because you are God these are oral stories from a certain following of people and stolen and written by leonardo davinci..
Or that O draconian devil as that is an anagram of his name and draco is a constellation in the sky. Those who know the full zodiac not just the blessed 12 know what I'm talking about and it governs your knees in your body
Its funny because it basically took the human race to it's knees but what do I know I'm just some pagan online.
Please do your own research.
I suggest reading the defense of posey by sir philip you might need to look up the etymology because it's changed in its use for what's it use to mean!
Jesus came to make you like him not to start a damn religion!
I feel like 90% of the objections in the comments could be answered with "watch the entire clip." If one does that and then still disagrees that's fine, but when people imput arguments that aren't being made they're not helping anyone learn and grow.
I watched it 3 times. So if God manifested as a angel shouldn't the Godhead be a quadrilateral being. Or when he manifested as the burning bush,... what about a Pentagon? God is everywhere and can manifest himself anywhere. What I find VERY strange is that the revelation of a triune God need to be so convoluted and complicated. Also funny that he drags the holy spirit into the trinity in his speech like most of the church did up until I think it was 362.
Honestly, I don't think I have a high enough IQ or intellectual capacity to understand this stuff. But then again: the trinity doctrine seems more like a math formula to try and solve some theoretical problem. Probably why many people struggle. It has no bearing on your day to day life. ;)
@@snaphaan5049He gets it Psalms 82:1 is Elohim head
@@snaphaan5049 What is the Trinity? The Trinity is this: The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods (Elohim), One God (EL or Eloah). The use of the Hebrew word “Elohim” (a plural) was translated as God (singular) first in the Septuagint and later in the versions of the Bible specifically as found in Genesis 1:1. Elohim, God in other languages, was never meant to demonstrate the Trinity, and it would be out of context to do so. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian? Must one believe in the Trinity in order to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior and His disciples never teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians three centuries later give credence to the councils of men seeking to define the deity of Christ in conjunction with the Father without revelation from God? In the history of Christianity, the first four ecumenical councils: the First Council of Nicaea in 325, the First Council of Constantinople in 381, the Council of Ephesus in 431, the Council of Chalcedon in 451 were designed to argue over who God is without one thus says the LORD! If the doctrine of the Trinity is correct, then why did it take all these councils to finally decide and design the deity of Christ? From the beginning in the year 325 CE to the year 380 CE when it supposedly ended. Can mankind define who God is? No. Only God can reveal Himself to mankind. Accordingly, scholars agree that “Although early Christian theologians speculated in many ways on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit relationship, no one clearly and fully asserted the doctrine of the Trinity as explained...until around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy. Nonetheless, proponents of such theories always claim them to be in some sense founded on, or at least illustrated by, biblical texts” (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Dale Tuggy, 2020). In fact, the Trinitarians have claimed to base their definition of God by implication, as there is absolutely no explicit doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible. There are two seemingly explicit pillars for the Trinity in the New Testament, namely, Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8. First, 1 John 5:7-8, known as The Johannine Comma, is an interpolation (words added), as acknowledged by Christian scholars, to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is no such doctrine of the Trinity. Second, Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion by Christian scholars, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, however, the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name {YAHSHUA} as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (as published circa 316 CE) in his book on early church history the verse of Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity, evolving, has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Unfortunately, Catholics agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian.” And paradoxically, professor White further states: “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, the question goes begging, why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity? It is even more confounding when historically the Trinity developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians as a prerequisite for salvation, that despite the fact that Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, it becomes unthinkable to cast aside this doctrine even when proven to be solely based upon the traditions of men. Consequently, many could actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity! For the very reason of teaching it according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He told them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). According to the Gospel, Christians are not stipulated to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life to enter into the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would have been taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior. Biblically and historically the Trinity was never taught as also evidenced in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless and confusing Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding and confusion of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. Our God is the Son of God, the only Lord YAH, to the glory of His God and Father, and YAH means I AM.
@@snaphaan5049 The issue is you aren't cross referencing and establishing the context of what you read to link the person of the trinity to the statement. No wonder you would be confused. Case in point right here in this video it was already stated Jesus said he was the God that appeared to Moses at the burning bush, the I AM. So that means the burning bush was not the Father nor the Holy Spirit. Jesus died on the cross would you say it was the Father or Holy Spirit? No. A modicum of critical thinking goes a long way.
@@snaphaan5049 You actually answered your own question. Augustine pondered some of your same questions in his Confessions and it led him to the trinity. If God is everywhere, how can he manifest it any one point and still be everywhere? Augustine asks if God is everywhere, does that mean a larger space contains a larger amount of God? Clearly not. Clearly an omnipotent being must be able to manifest in order to act and must also remain above the universe, containing the universe, otherwise God would not be omnipotent. Without either of those qualities, God would be severely limited. So God can manifest at a location (Christ), God is also above the universe and contains it (the Father), and God is also able to move through space so that one part of space does not define or separate God (the Holy Spirit). So any localization or location in space that is a manifestation of God is Christ. Christ acted in history prior to the incarnation of Jesus.
It is not that complicated. If you think it has no bearing on ordinary life, read Cynthia Bourgeault's "The Law of Three and the Trinity", everything in the universe has a threefold manifestation (example protons, neutrons and electrons). Humans tend to see things as dichotomies (one side vs another side), higher consciousness can be found looking for a third perspective. Humans love splitting people into two groups, for example "left vs right", God sees that there is another perspective above and beyond that duality. This is where the law of the threefold shows that the whole universe mirrors the triune God.
One God..One Being..3 Distinct Persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) just as revealed in Scripture. 💫
It makes more sense that there are two divine beings, the Father and His Son, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son.
@@truthbebold4009 No it does not. Yahweh said before Him there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Him..and when Jesus (The Son) was being baptized, the Father spoke from heaven (this is my Son, with whom I'm well pleased) and the "Spirit" descended like a dove...One God, One Being (3 distinct persons, 3 distinct functions)...always working together as 1.
@@songbird9444 Jesus says He is the Son of God. I take Him at His Word.
@@truthbebold4009 That's because HE IS..lol..the only Son of God..He is God the Son..Second person of the trinity. That's why He said "If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father"..."I and the Father are One"..."Before Abraham was, I AM"..(and finally in Revelation 22:13) "I am the Alpha and Omega..the First and the Last..the Beginning and the End"...Jesus was God the Son (the Word) manifested in the flesh...make no mistake about it...Bible is clear.
@@truthbebold4009 That is scripture. The scriptures NOWHERE teaches a trinity. The Spirit is expressed on numerous occasions to be BELONGING TO the Father and the Son and it is not anything in and of itself. It is Their Spirit. To put it plainly, IT'S(THE SPIRIT) IS THEM.
Isaiah 48:16 best describes the Trinity. Three entities here. God is talking when He says come near to Me, the Lord God has sent Him ie Jesus and His Spirit. God is three in One.
Isaiah 48:16
Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there.” And now the Lord GOD has sent me, and his Spirit. (ESV)
Isaiah 48:16
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.(KJV)
Isaiah 48:16
"Come near to Me, listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit." (NASB 95)
I love how God raised up scholars of the old testament , like MH, in these last days to confound the narrow scholarship of these liberals. "God is the same yesterday, today and forever"
Thanks for breaking it down Dr Heiser. No matter how many times you explain the Trinity, there will always dorks in comments who misunderstood 😅 poor soul and poor brain 🧠
We should claim to understand the trinity not because of our own mind/cognizants but God opening our hearts and understanding.
No two Christians can explain the trinity the same. Its your biggest clue that the trinity is an interpolation , an insertion. Period
@@tryemc3026 if you can understand fully it’s called Science... but wait, does science really can explain anything? Can you explain quantum mechanics?
@Coreficus what do you believe?
@@citra678
My friend, is n't the trinity an attempt to completely understand what God is ?
My friend, what God is is beyond us , we are creation. By your own argument the trinity falls on its face, any person with sound reasoning will always have doubt in his heart about the trinity . Why flow doubt ?
Jesus said, the o nly true God is the father , not trinity., and jesus did not leave without a will , to follow the next spirit of truth, that will guide the whole world to all the truth. Seek him and you'll find him
Thank Goodness for this video!!!
So then why did Jesus use "father and son" langauge to describe his relation ship with God....i mean himself...? It just makes no sense.. I suppose if you really want to force the issue you can interpret hints and clues in many scriptures, but the fact that Jesus chose not to support a trinitarian message, even tellign his apostles that he asked God to send a helper (holy spirit), makes it clear that they are not the same being. He woudl have used differnet language to convey that idea, if it were true.
Now if you want to compare the trinity to a "council" or "group" or "committee" of sorts, comprising 3 entities, operating together as "one"...united in purpose and goal, then fine....but to suggest they are the same being....makes no sense....
Jeremia 1,4-6 (NKJV):
The Prophet is Called
Then the *WORD of the Lord* CAME to me, SAYING:
_“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;_
_Before you were born I sanctified you;_
_I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”_
Then said I:
_"Ah, LORD GOD!_
_Behold, I cannot speak, for I am a youth.”_
But the Lord said to me:
_“Do not say, ‘I am a youth,’_
_For you shall go to all to whom I send you,_
_And whatever I command you, you shall speak._
_Do not be afraid of their faces,_
_For I am with you to deliver you,”_ says the LORD.
Then the Lord put forth His *HAND* and touched my mouth, and the Lord said to me:
The WORD of god came identiyfyed as God and a Person who Do something with his HAND.
or like Jesus said: _"before Abraham was, I AM"_
Or like John said: _"in the beginning was the WORD,_
You don’t need the Greeks for doctrine.
Two gods / Baal and Asherah a baby killer and sex godess: you have it all !
You do need the Greeks for the Trinity. This is the language of Greek philosophy not scripture.
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So I guess the early Christians didn’t have faith in a Triune God if they didn’t have the language then?
@@elel2608 : The early Christians were monotheistic Jews. The God of the OT is Unitarian ,not Trinitarian. Moses and the prophets knew nothing of a trinity.
@@ewankerr3011 Read “Two Powers in Heaven” and then talk to me. If you’re not willing to do that, stay away from me heretic.
It is a man-made doctrine that was developed over a long time, starting in the years after Jesus and the apostles had left. The Christians in the first years believed in the 1 Lord God of Israel, YHVH. Just as Jesus and the apostles did. Jesus told us that his God and Father is the only true God. And the apostles believed in the same 1 Lord God. As do I.
@Thoska Brah Anyone that does not stand fully and firmly with the Word is not someone that I believe just because they make some claims. Christians are supposed to believe in Jesus and receive what he said and embrace that and stand with that. No ? So how can you claim to be Christian if you disregard what Jesus said ?
"For You granted him authority over all people, so that he may give eternal life to all those You have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent." (John 17:2-3) Jesus said as he looked Up to his God and Father. ....surely Jesus knows better than you ?
But that is not the case with so many, they think they know better than Jesus, and disregard what he said. And doing so without even hesitation. It is amazing to see it. And yet they call themselves Christian.
@@bosse641 Jesus picked the Apostles so how can you not believe them; especially Paul!
I and the Father are One. If you seen Me you’ve seen the Father.
@@radman6047 "I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in me, and I am in You. May they also be in us, so that the world may believe that You sent me." (John 17:20-21) the man Jesus said. ....so, because the true Christians are made one with God as Jesus was/is, we are also God ? You do not know what you are talking about. You have just been given talking-points, and those you regurgitate without having searched the truth out for yourself. Just as most claiming to be Christian do.
"Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know me? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on my own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in me, doing His work." (John 14:9-10) ....so there they could see God(Father) living and working in the man Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus is not the Father(God). God is spirit(John 4:24) And the only way they could see the Spirit was as He revealed Himself in the man Jesus. ...the Spirit gave him utterance and deeds to do.
And in that exact same manner does the Spirit operate in all His children (Romans 8:14) ...just because He lives and operates in and through them, does not make them God, but a tool for God, a servant of the Spirit. So it was with the man Jesus likewise. He could do nothing of himself he said (John 5:30)
As I said, you have no knowledge about what you are speaking. You are just regurgitating what you have been taught. And you do not even realize what you are doing. ....and most claiming to be Christian are just like you.
@@bosse641 In who's name did the disciples heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out demons? In God the Father's name? In the name of the Holy Ghost? No, in Jesus name only. Did they command the demons to come out in any other name than Jesus? No. Read Daniel 7:13-14. Who receives dominion and glory and an eternal kingdom from the Ancient of Days? In John 14:9 Jesus clearly says if you've seen Me you've seen the Father. Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. John 10:30, I and My Father are One.
Wow I wonder what Rabbi Singer would have to say about this. The Rabbi always pushes the idea that the Trinity was completely dreamed up.
I would even go back much farther in history. The concept of a trinity is to be found in the old religion of Egypt: The imperial temple of Karnak consists of three precincts, that of Amun-Re in the center, and those of Mut and of Monthu in the South and the North. There were also three Highpriests in the New Kingdom.
This is historically inaccurate. The doctrine of the Trinity does not come from reflection on such OT texts as Dr Heiser mentions in this video. Where does Athanasius or Gregory of Nazianzus- or any of the other scholars who constructed the Trinity- refer such OT verses? The doctrine of the Trinty emerges out of reflection on soteriology: Christ has saved us by uniting us with God. But this means that Christ cannot be a mere intermediate between God and man since only God can unite us with himself. Therefore, Christ must be God, otherwise we are not “saved” by being united with God since no finite being could join us to the infinite. So, from a historical point of view, how do you prove your thesis?
Actually, the fathers got the Trinity from biblical texts. The reasoning goes like this: “…believe the works”. If I do the works of God, then I am God. All the fathers took Jesus at his word.
@@brenthorne8784 This is simplistic (in the extreme). Most of the Church Fathers _before_ Athanasius and the Cappadocians were subordinationists, such that they held that Jesus is "god' but not "the God" (in Greek there is a difference between theos and ho theos, i.e., God with or without the definite article: the first is 'divine' but not God in the absolute sense of the term). And, moreover, the NT texts are much more complex than you're suggesting.
@@bayreuth79 No. It’s what they actually did. There was never a suborinationist trend among the orthodox. Ever. Jesus is God. The Spirit is God. That’s what the scriptures say and that’s what Christians believe. www.ctsfw.net/media/pdfs/BeckwithTrinityandtheBible.pdf
@@brenthorne8784 I am afraid that you are mistaken. Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origen, Hippolytus, Justin Martyr and Novatian were all subordinationist. You can ask any serious professor of theology who accepts the doctrine of the trinity and they will affirm what I just said. Athanasius and the Cappadocians in the 4th century were seen as innovators; and in a sense they were innovators. The logic of the Cappadocians was this: if Jesus is not fully God (as the Father is fully God) then he cannot unite us to God: only God can united us to God, therefore Jesus, who unites us to God, must be fully God. Doctrine develops over time. I suggest that you find some well respected Trinitarian theologians and ask them for yourself. No one with an MA or a PhD in Theology will be ignorant of what I wrote above.
@@bayreuth79 No sir. You’re getting your terms confused. Re-read your remarks above on John. You’re making the JW argument. That’s Arian. You don’t need the definite article with the proper noun. That doesn’t mean that there is an indefinite article implied. Jesus is fully God. Always was. Always is. That’s always been the orthodox position and anything less than that is heterodox. By the way, I have an MDiv. You can’t allude to complexities in the scriptures. Christ’s deity is pretty clear. The argument that I mentioned above was fundamental to the father’s understanding
*There is a difference in how this is expressed in Mathew*
Luke 12:12 For at that time the Holy Spirit will teach you what you should say."
Matthew 10:20 For it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
Thank you!
I can't believe that he thinks these passages, (Isaiah 63 & Psalms 78) indicate some sort of Trinity..... unbelievable....
Read two powers in heaven, Daniel Boyarin or Benjamin Sommer. All Jewish scholars.
@@cohenlevilovesyeshuahamash900 , I have read a book with that title; however, it is written by, Alan F. Segal... I have it right beside me as I type. I have also read; 'The Glory of the Invisible God: Two Powers in Heaven...' by Andrei Orlov and 'Two Gods in Heaven' by Peter Schafer. I am not sure what your point is -- are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? There are only two somewhat dismissive references, in the book by Segal, to the trinity.... The book does not support the trinity. To make my own point clear; I hold to an somewhat Arian point of view... more like that of the Jehovah's Witnesses (however, please note: I am NOT a member of that church, nor have I ever been). In my honest opinion, the concept of the trinity is the most asinine and illogical idea that the church ever came up with and it is not supported by the scriptures. I believe the concept of the trinity is one of the major reasons why there has been a major decline of membership in the church... a person with an I.Q. of 75 can see that it doesn't make one bit of sense... Please also note that I am NOT a unitarian... I do not deny the divinity of Christ... but rather, I deny that he is eternal and co-equal with the Heavenly Father.
@@michaelwolff1694 " I.Q. of 75 can see that it doesn't make one bit of sense... "
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Actually, some of the highest I.Qs in history including today believed in the trinity. Evangelical church attendance is actually growing throughout the world.
What I don't understand is why it matters. God is one. So if I pray to Jesus, I pray to God. If I feel the Holy Spirit, I feel God. If I judged by the Father, then I still am judged by God. So why not just God? What is the advantage of the symbolism of a triplicity?
It matters because we must know God and His revelations. What is the Trinity? The Trinity is this: The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods (Elohim), One God (EL or Eloah). The use of the Hebrew word “Elohim” (a plural) was translated as God (singular) first in the Septuagint and later in the versions of the Bible specifically as found in Genesis 1:1. Elohim, God in other languages, was never meant to demonstrate the Trinity, and it would be out of context to do so. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian? Must one believe in the Trinity in order to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior and His disciples never teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians three centuries later give credence to the councils of men seeking to define the deity of Christ in conjunction with the Father without revelation from God? In the history of Christianity, the first four ecumenical councils: the First Council of Nicaea in 325, the First Council of Constantinople in 381, the Council of Ephesus in 431, the Council of Chalcedon in 451 were designed to argue over who God is without one thus says the LORD! If the doctrine of the Trinity is correct, then why did it take all these councils to finally decide and design the deity of Christ? From the beginning in the year 325 CE to the year 380 CE when it supposedly ended. Can mankind define who God is? No. Only God can reveal Himself to mankind. Accordingly, scholars agree that “Although early Christian theologians speculated in many ways on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit relationship, no one clearly and fully asserted the doctrine of the Trinity as explained...until around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy. Nonetheless, proponents of such theories always claim them to be in some sense founded on, or at least illustrated by, biblical texts” (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Dale Tuggy, 2020). In fact, the Trinitarians have claimed to base their definition of God by implication, as there is absolutely no explicit doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible. There are two seemingly explicit pillars for the Trinity in the New Testament, namely, Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8. First, 1 John 5:7-8, known as The Johannine Comma, is an interpolation (words added), as acknowledged by Christian scholars, to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is no such doctrine of the Trinity. Second, Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion by Christian scholars, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, however, the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name {YAHSHUA} as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (as published circa 316 CE) in his book on early church history the verse of Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity, evolving, has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Unfortunately, Catholics agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian.” And paradoxically, professor White further states: “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, the question goes begging, why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity? It is even more confounding when historically the Trinity developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians as a prerequisite for salvation, that despite the fact that Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, it becomes unthinkable to cast aside this doctrine even when proven to be solely based upon the traditions of men. Consequently, many could actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity! For the very reason of teaching it according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He told them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). According to the Gospel, Christians are not stipulated to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life to enter into the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would have been taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior. Biblically and historically the Trinity was never taught as also evidenced in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless and confusing Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding and confusion of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. Our God is the Son of God, the only Lord YAH, to the glory of His God and Father, and YAH means I AM.
I think heiser should have learned john 4:24 kjv and then looked up the defition of the words "is" and "a".
Thx for this!
Dr. Heiser doesn't say the name of the "mythers", he mentions Ehrman, who is not: "You have people like Bart Ehrman, and these other Jesus mythers and Ehrman is not a Jesus myther". Well... it seems like a trinitarian argument here ;-)
By the way, I "saw the light" when I read "On the Historicity of Jesus" by Dr. Richard Carrier.
Watch the whole clip
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So you do reply to some!
@@DRMSH I did it before commenting. The Trinity issue might have roots in the OT. I just wanted to make the point that not all mythicists are lunatics. Dr. Carrier was a historicist before concluding his vast research ("Proving History"; "On the Historicity of Jesus"). He proposes a sound method for Jesus studies based on the Bayes' theorem.
Thanks for sharing your videos. I very much appreciate your work.
@@DRMSH Read the whole comment:
What is the Trinity? The Trinity is this: The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods (Elohim), One God (EL or Eloah). The use of the Hebrew word “Elohim” (a plural) was translated as God (singular) first in the Septuagint and later in the versions of the Bible specifically as found in Genesis 1:1. Elohim, God in other languages, was never meant to demonstrate the Trinity, and it would be out of context to do so. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian? Must one believe in the Trinity in order to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior and His disciples never teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians three centuries later give credence to the councils of men seeking to define the deity of Christ in conjunction with the Father without revelation from God? In the history of Christianity, the first four ecumenical councils: the First Council of Nicaea in 325, the First Council of Constantinople in 381, the Council of Ephesus in 431, the Council of Chalcedon in 451 were designed to argue over who God is without one thus says the LORD! If the doctrine of the Trinity is correct, then why did it take all these councils to finally decide and design the deity of Christ? From the beginning in the year 325 CE to the year 380 CE when it supposedly ended. Can mankind define who God is? No. Only God can reveal Himself to mankind. Accordingly, scholars agree that “Although early Christian theologians speculated in many ways on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit relationship, no one clearly and fully asserted the doctrine of the Trinity as explained...until around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy. Nonetheless, proponents of such theories always claim them to be in some sense founded on, or at least illustrated by, biblical texts” (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Dale Tuggy, 2020). In fact, the Trinitarians have claimed to base their definition of God by implication, as there is absolutely no explicit doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible. There are two seemingly explicit pillars for the Trinity in the New Testament, namely, Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8. First, 1 John 5:7-8, known as The Johannine Comma, is an interpolation (words added), as acknowledged by Christian scholars, to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is no such doctrine of the Trinity. Second, Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion by Christian scholars, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, however, the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name {YAHSHUA} as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (as published circa 316 CE) in his book on early church history the verse of Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity, evolving, has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Unfortunately, Catholics agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian.” And paradoxically, professor White further states: “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, the question goes begging, why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity? It is even more confounding when historically the Trinity developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians as a prerequisite for salvation, that despite the fact that Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, it becomes unthinkable to cast aside this doctrine even when proven to be solely based upon the traditions of men. Consequently, many could actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity! For the very reason of teaching it according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He told them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). According to the Gospel, Christians are not stipulated to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life to enter into the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would have been taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior. Biblically and historically the Trinity was never taught as also evidenced in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless and confusing Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding and confusion of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. Our God is the Son of God, the only Lord YAH, to the glory of His God and Father, and YAH means I AM.
He even confused himself 😂