Spyderco Manix 2 vs Ultimate Hunter
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2015
- How will the Manix 2 with the Spyderco Ball Bearing Lock fare against the Cold Steel Ultimate Hunter and the Tri-Ad?
Andrew Demko of Cold Steel R&D tests both knives. Let's find out!
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I'm waiting for Tri-Ad lock versus a fixed blade, I wouldn't be surprised if some stick-tang fixed blades just snapped before the Tri-Ad Lock.
WeAllJuggleKnives
Smaller Tri-Ad lock vs. the Survival Edge?
WeAllJuggleKnives look up Demko testing his custom tri-ad lock. there's a video on here of him doing this in his shop. his handmade knives are the strongest folding knife in the world, period full stop. he stops hanging weight off the end at 860+ lbs. the Demko AD10. amazing knife.
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USMC Kabar comes to mind.
+WeAllJuggleKnives Agreed. lol As folders go... triad is difficult to beat
It's built with a stick tang like all swords used to be, and despite this not all swords would break at the hilt. The USMC Ka-Bar however has a reletively short blade compared to it's thickness, therefore it behaves like some shorter swords (including Oakeshott Type X swords, commonly known as Viking swords) breaking at the tang, not elsewhere.
Full tang construction is relatively modern, there was a time where you wouldn't simply drill several holes thru a slab of steel, also it was never so important to begin with.
Back in times when people relied on their knives for survival, they would reserve the knife for cutting tasks, and chop with an axe.
dear cold steel, thanks for making crazy sharp knives! i just got back from the ER because i closed a voyager on my finger and chewed a good chunk off.
One thing people seem to forget is that these are not just strength tests; they are also durability-after-heavy-use tests. Some locks are fairly strong under one-time extreme use but not durable enough to handle more than that (or, they may wear down over time and not perform as well as they do in out-of-the-box testing). That, in my opinion, is one of the most significant advantages of the Tri-Ad lock- it won't fail you, now or later.
The long awaited test, thank you for doing this test. Can't complain on the fairness. I hope to see the compression lock test. Keep up the good work.
Good test guys, I had requested testing the Manix lock on one of the earlier videos. Thanks!
These are great tests! Keep up the good work!
A lot of people do Andrew Demko a disservice with their "That ugly Spyderco sucks! It looks like it would just snap!" and "He let the Cold Steel spin on the strike tests, it wasn't being tested as hard!" comments. I was and am truly impressed by the level of respect for other knife makers and the appreciation for different knife and lock designs that Mr. Demko shows in these videos.
Just because you think Spydercos are ugly does not mean that they are not great knives, from a great company, with great designs that are appreciated by tens or even hundreds of thousands of happy customers. Just because you think the blade "looks" like it would just snap, does not mean it will- the Manix performed very well in all of these tests, and Mr. Demko was perfectly happy to say so. And the "he let the CS spin!" comments are simply dumb. We all know a Cold Steel will handle spine whack tests and over strikes better than just about any other folder, it has been shown again and again. He applied the same, measured level of torque to the screws on both knives.
So lay off the fan boy whining and learn a thing or two from Mr. Demko here. Even though he knows his knife designs are the strongest, he makes a point of appreciating the strengths and qualities of competitiors' products, instead of blindly trashing them or trumping up his own designs. That's a rare thing.
There's some genuine concern about the knives spinning. As you probably know friction if a function of pressure and pressure is a function of force over an area. For a completely fair test they'd have to use knives with handle slabs of the same grit and adjust the torque of the screw to the contact area of the knife's grip with the machine's arm.
The way it is presented is somewhat more accessible to the average watcher, while those more educated in terms of physics will voice their concern.
The unequal friction gives some advantage to whichever knife has more rounded and smoother handle slabs.
Speaking of Spydercos, I find them quite attactive, but extended choils and a lack of sharpening notch are somewhat dealbreakers to me.
I am also impressed at the amount of respect Demko shows towards the competition. He started as an independent knifemaker, so he should know.
@@ramiabiakar2391 STFU
I've watched all your tests and love CS knives but no question i'd choose the manix.
At a certain point there is a lot more to a knife than lock strength.
Thank you, that's what most of people in these videos don't get. Great locks and all in Cold Steel, but that's just a part of what makes a great knife. Important, but that doesn't make the whole tool. Manix 2 is currently my knife of choice, all around is almost perfect, considering a knife in his every aspect
Very well said! My grandfather carried slip joints his whole life and never said man this would be a good knife if the lock was stronger. There are some tasks where a stronger lock is desirable but if you use a knife the way it should be doing average things people do even a liner lock from a reputable company should be absolutely adequate. Just my opinion.
@@OphielPan exactly somtimes people would want a knife with a good blade design and grind to actually, you know, cut things...i even have a few cold steels the ad15 lite and sr1 but they have some negatives just like other knives. Just seems like the cold steel crew is always focused on the lock strength of a folder but when Im worried about lock strength I would just use my microtech mini socom alpha fixed blade. But hey what do I know??
I think having steel screws being shorn in half as the failure point is easily past the point of diminishing returns for lock strength. Either knife will be absolutely fine for anything a sane person would typically use a folding knife for.
Regardless of the torque applied at the fastener, if the knife is rotating more on impact, then less force is being applied to it. The cold steel is rotating more on impact and therefore less force is being applied to it. This is probably due to a lower static friction on the cold steel handle because it is less flat than the spyderco. Because the same knife was used in the weight test, I'd say the results of that test are less significant.
+Fadds you really have no idea what you're talking about do you?
I'll be nice and explain it, static friction is what keeps the blade from rotating. conservation of angular momentum still applies before and after the impact with minor losses to heat and sound. the spyderco bounces, the cold steel rotates. the angular distance traveled by the cold steel is due to the torque applied to it by the impact which results in an angular velocity... do you somehow think that an angular momentum problem cannot involve static friction?
no actually I am not counting it, but you would understand that if you ...understood what I was saying.
Where did you get the 1/2 pound figure from? I'm curious. Is that all you think it is?
+Fadds "[I] just imagined"
+Fadds so you're just going to ignore the question I asked you?
+Fadds "...due to extra friction, which I think has minimal impact in this test." ..."Mostly due to the friction at the pivoting point, obviously."
these two statements are completely contradictory.
"Both knives are tighten to 30lbs of torque, which generates X amount of static friction on the Manix, and Y on the CS knife. As we can see from the distance traveled after the impact, X is greater than Y by a certain amount"
Which is exactly what I have been saying this entire thread.
"There is no way I can know how much more force it takes to push the Manix back in position comparing to the CS"
Since the same amount of weight was used on the test rig, and since the distance from the strike plate to the axis of rotation is the same, I can state with complete confidence that the amount of work required to move both knives back to their original position is exactly the same, the difference being the distance required to do so. Since work is energy, and energy must conserve, why the difference in angular distance? Because the spyderco rotated less after the impact, which means it experienced a greater impulse than the cold steel.
"The impact of the blade to the metal bar generates a huge force (blades have been broken on this) let's say hundreds of pounds to which you can add the static friction resistance which is, what? a couple of pounds?"
hundreds of pounds you say? Just through observation, I'd say that 30 pound (13.63 kg) weight falls about 6 inches (0.15 meters) which is roughly 20 (kg.m)/s^2 or 20 joules which is about 0.00000556 KW.h. Assuming the impact occurs in about 1/100th of a second that is about 2 KW of power, which is abour 2.7 horsepower. Using pounds just doesn't work.
After each strike the spyderco rotated a very consistent amount, about 30 to 40 degrees.
Cold steel on the first strike rotates nearly 360 degrees and is stopped by the opposite side of the strike bar, followed by about 270 degrees, about 80 degrees, about 80 degrees and about 300 degrees.
In the best case, taking the 40 degree examples of the spyderco and the 80 degree examples of the cold steel, half as much work was absorbed by the cold steel as was by the spyderco. Worst case would be 1/10th or 1/12th the work. Without more exact details I can't tell you what that translates to in terms of actual force applied, but those numbers are not insignificant.
"These guys make hard user knives, not sending rockets in space, also I'm no rocket scientist or physicist. These tests are good enough for my standards, and they give me a pretty good idea on what these knives can take when abused and that's all I need."
Again for the umteenth time, the quality of cold steel's product is not in question here, the validity of their test is dubious at best.
I guess if I'm falling from a cliff and can pull a movie stunt to jam my Manix into a crack in the rock face to arrest my fall - I'm screwed. I expect that's not happening to me soon.
But if it does happen I'm guessing you'd rather a cold steel ay?
There’s a million other things you could do that would be more effective than pulling yourself up the face of a cliff with your knife. I personally don’t see the purpose of having a lock that can hold 100+ lbs because it isn’t important to the average person and you’re never going to put that much strain on your knife.
I saw this one coming. I love my Manix 2 for the leaf shaped blade and how it makes it useful for many everyday tasks. The FFG is nice for slicing. I never felt the lock would hold up to the same stresses a tri-ad lock will though.
Did you see how he really tightened up the Spyderco and the cold steel would hit and spin!? That is fishy to me!? Just Cus one has flat sides,well then flatten the sides of the coldsteel!?
+Kirt Stoneking yup, or put two washers between the handle and the arm. Eliminate that variable. People have said this enough that the point must be being ignored.
+Travis Sollars so torque all knives differently? that makes more sence
@@kleinbottled79 haha...loser
The weight hang test wasn't fair because the handle on the CS was up against the table giving it extra support and the Spyderco wasn't able to do that because of the choil design leaving space with no extra leverage support against the table
Well I was on the fence about a manix but there a damn fine knife.
Crazy though the manix 2 ball bearing lock is MBC-certified to withstand 200lbs per inch of blade. Also bladehq got different results as well....
I think the knife was upgraded since this test took place
I was shocked it passed the over strikes. This is one of the few knives I really do like from spyderco, that lock is great fun after it breaks in a bit, and I guess its impact resistant too!
Please test emerson vs cold steel! compression lock vs tri ad lock would be awesome too!
I bought a Manix 2 because I really liked the Spyderco Sage, and I saw this test and was impressed with the ball bearing lock. I think the lock has potential. If you abandoned the detent function in the lock and made the liners/spacers/stop bar into a unitary milled piece, with tight fitting ball races welded on, you'd have something that's stronger than a Tri-ad lock. Yes, this is really more of a compliment to the Tri-ad lock!
Great demo
Awesome!!! Thank you guys for doing this test. I had asked a little while back for a manix test and you guys delivered! Great stuff
The mantix 2 made me proud! love mine way more that the pm2
I agree. And I give you word, the manic will out perform an ultimate hunter. Why , because qc is consistent . Cs handpicked the best hunter out of a batch. They tested in their own " controlled" environment. The data is void. Because if the company displays conditions with out the agreement of the other party, the tests are biased. Science , physics, engineering 101
@@Apex_grind562 cool story bro.. I've never had good QC from spyderco.
I love my PM2 and Para 3. I have a Manix 2 LW ordered and have never handled one but I expect to be very satisfied with it.
Would like to see an Emerson in one of these tests.
thank u ***** I've been asking for this and you guys pulled through
Perfect. Thanks for doing these tests. I think both performed admirably. I would have thought the Manix 2 to hold a tad more weight than that but I'm impressed at both knives still.
I didn't think BB lock would do that well against the spine wacks. Still good on Spyderco for supplying the knife. Sal and Eric are good people
rpnp2 Spyderco never supplied anything. Andrew actually says "Spyderco was kind enough to supply us with a 1/4 inch hole for the testing machine" referring to the lanyard hole on the Manix.
Spyderco only talks about their strict internal testing procedures and has never revealed any results to the public. CS is going out of their way to buy their competitors knives, then making the test results available on RUclips. Not hard to see which are the "good people".
100eyes Didn't watch the entire video word for word and was under the impression Spyderco supplied this knife. Never the less Sal does talk alot about there testing on the forums and is fairly up front about there lock strength. I have always believed that transparency is very important and applaud Benchmade and Coldsteel for there videos.
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Love it! Two requests. 1. Spyderco Dragonfly vs. Mini Tuff Lite. Just because I love my Mini Tuff. 2. Once you get finished with "normal" priced knives, start taking down super expensive knives.
CS VS. EMERSON KNIVES NEXT! "The number 1 hard use knives in the world" they claim.
+1 on this. Would love to see a test on the emersons!
Quinn Smith Yeah, they got a pretty big mouth. Let's see what they're made of.
Quinn Smith I think it will be pretty embarrassing of a result for Emerson lol
Quinn Smith Agreed. Emerson will fail like mad. They are overpriced crap. I am especially turned off by the way that Mr. Emerson runs his mouth.
***** Well lets be honest, Lynn Thompson runs his mouth FAR more... but at lest Cold Steel knives live up to the vast majority of their claim.
Both great knives here, personally for edc I prefer the manix 2 (cpm m4 sprint) since its ground more for slicing and the lock is much easier to use. Butci give much props to you guys for runing the cts xhp at 62 hrc (I heard even a bit harder) on a production knife, that steel maxes at 65 hrc and 63-64 would be an amazing heat treat but it requires cryo so most production companies run it 60-61 (or even 59, waste). End of the day, triad lock is the closest lock to a fill on fixed blade and if you need that much strength it's very tough (if ever) to match. But there are other things that people look for in a knife and its great that theres so many great choices.
you guys just sold me a manix 2. also maybe i'm being paranoid but when the knife that failed is still under 135lbs of pressure maybe put the safety glasses on when pressing your nose against it
That ladies and gents is a comment from a fan boy. There is nothing worst than a Spyderco and Glock fan boys.
ting280 There was nothing impressive about that knife and I honestly don't know what you like about the ugly spyderco brand; they don't perform that great and they look horrible. Maybe they were fine back in the early 2000s and maybe you're nostalgic; but you're going to be nostalgic for those missing fingers when that thing fails.
SolidSnake2948 Ugly? Are you a knife novice? You sound like one. The only thing that Cold Steel does better is lock strength. That's it. Spyderco blows the doors off Cold SteeI when it comes to aesthetics, fit, finish, materials, and ease of deployment. I do generally like Cold Steel prices, the Voyager line, self defense designs, and many of their XL/ mall ninja designs.
mwhich50 They are the worst looking knife brand in existence by far, look like you could snap the blade right off the handle.
You can snap the Cold Steel, as well if you ABUSE it enough.
Now you only have the Spiderco Compression Lock to test, so put the Para Military 2 to the machine and weight hang to see what happens!
John Tillman They also need to test Benchmade's AXIS lock...
V - Pony they already did.
KingGhidorah007 Huh, must have missed that one ^^;
V - Pony Yep, they did the Benchmade Bedlam vs the Talwar.
John Tillman Not the para 2, the para 2 is not tactical. Put the szabo against the tri ad, specially since the szabo has a reinforced compression lock.
I love my Manix 2, but I also can't wait to pick up one of the Ultimate Hunters, cause its right up my street aswell :) and I don't even weight 135ibs lol so I'll not worry about that lol either way, I think both are great blades and I know I'll really enjoy both, but for different reasons. And I love these videos you've been doing, keep it up :)
You should do the Buck 110.. I bet that it would surprise a lot of people.
buck 110 would do horrible, so yes you're right in that it'll surprise people on doing even worse than people expect it to do
I appreciate your honesty my man makes me wanna buy a cold steel
why is it always lined knives vs unlined cs knives? maybe try the test with a manix 2 lw to give the manix just as much plasticity in how it can absorb the impact with the handle? not saying in a test against the same knife, but in one of a similar size and weight to the manix lw. testing metal's impact absorption vs a polymer or other plastic will only show that one absorbs more shock in the handle. the weight hang test would likely have similar results though.
***** great job, I love cold steel and Spyderco and good on you for giving props to the manix 2 I would like to see the paramilitary 2 braking point I had one and new it was sharp as a spoon.
Manix>PM2
Hi Guys, Does the Ultimate hunter have a harder HRC than the other CTS-XHP knives, I have seen it listed at 61-62. I have one on the way !
I have yet to break any of my folders featuring Axis, Tri-ad (back), Compression, Frame locking mechanisms. I did however break few folders that featured liner locks (and these were all used under ideal, intended purpose tasks).
The only time when I witnessed someone breaking their knives happened during one of their extreme case scenerio tests and also when they used their knives like another utility tool such as hammers, pounding nails and rocks etc.
The chances of anyone applying 200+lb. of pressure to a locking mechanism is pretty damn rare, unless you intentionally apply it for whatever the reasons may be.
Seems like an honest test to me, and I'm a spyderco fan boy.
I'm surprised the spyderco lasted as long as it did. I wonder why every cold steel I've had besides my rajah had had issues and idk why I'm the only one with problems. The assegai spear I had broke first throw and I never got a reply back.
I swear the rajah2 is such an awesome knife. I tend to prefer other knives to Cold steel but they have amazing value and have some attractive designs. Just wish I didn't have such iffy experiences with the ones I've had.
These two would be hard to chose between. They both are made out of just about the same quality materials, they are a similar size and weight, and they both have similar fit and finish. The Ultimate Hunter maybe stronger, but the Manix is strong enough. However the Manix is cheaper and made in America. .
Dan Martin Similar? I don't think so. The Manix proved itself years ago.
How are they not similar? Going off the facts on the official websites:
Manix: 5oz - UH: 4.9oz
Manix: 3.37" blade - UH: 3 1/2" blade
Manix: 8" open - UH: 8 1/2" open
Manix: 3mm blade - UH: 3.5mm blade
CPM s30v and CTS XHP are both very good stainless steels that function beyond minimal EDC needs.
So yes dimensionally these knives are very similar. The biggest differences are not in the performance, but in price, where they are made, and the lock mechanism.
Cold Steel knives are similar to each other, ex: American Lawman.
Spydercos are quite different in just about every way. I am "going off " of personal ownership experience.
Check out a Manix and Ult Hunt video. Nutnfancy has very comprehensive videos on both. He gave the lightweight Manix an 11 out of 10, lol. There s more to a knife than smashing and hanging weights.
mwhich50 Huh? I have seen cold steel folders with nail knicks only, with thumb studs only, and with thumb plates only. All spydercos have the same 'ol boring hole. I don't know how having the same opening feature makes them "quite different in just about every way" Also, as for the grinds, spudercos will either be FFG, or saber ground. Cold Steel's folders will be either Saber Ground, Hollow Ground, FFG, or Scandi Ground.
Also, Cold Steel a Crap ton of Folders, Fixed Blades, and just about everything else under the sun. Spyderco...well you can count the number of fixed blades they have released on one hand.
Not a knock on Spyderco, just a headscratcher as variety being in Spyderco's favor.
I have over 20 Spydercos and way over 20 Cold Steels. Their approaches to knives are way different.
Thanks cold steel.
How about paramilitary 2 compression lock vs American lawman xhp?
That was a good test. Spyderco makes great knives. That said I'll stick to the value of CS, providing a steel comparable to S30V with the Tri-ad lock for cheaper (though not in the Ultimate Hunter). Thank god I don't care about aesthetics. Thanks for the test.
compression lock vs tri ad please
As much as I'm a fan of the compression lock it is not as strong as even the ball bearing lock. So no its not as strong as the tri lock but I honestly don't feel like the extra strength is really as important as the cs fan boys act.
You guys should test the buck 830 marksman next. It might give the tri ad lock a little competition.
i would like to see test of how long knifes of cold steel stay sharp vs other knives. Tri ad is really strong but is it only advantage of the cold stee product?
That's a hell of a test
The weight hang test wasn't fair because the handle on the CS was up against the table giving it extra support and the Spyderco wasn't able to do that because of the choil design leaving space with no extra leverage support against the table
How about the benchmade adamas? I always hear things about it being a monster of a folder.
Rather than measuring the torque applied to the bolt holding the knives the the swing arm, it would probably be better to measure the amount of force needed to turn the knife on the bolt since like you said not all knives are flat, they'll have different amounts of resistance. Still nice tests, I appreciate it.
+Aaron Harris How about just getting some high quality hose clamps and don't let any attached blade rotate at all? This is the first of these videos I'm seeing following a search that lead here, but letting them rotate and then claiming you are uniformly abusing the locking mechanism is not kosher. You want to uniformly abuse the locking system, you have to make the locking systems absorb the same amount of punishment.
Then of course there's the fact that, at least in my experience, folders subjected to hard use usually fail mechanically first with lateral play and wobble. Lock mechanisms endangering you usually isn't due to mechanical failure, but ergonomics of the locking mechanism allowing the locking mechanism to be actuated during use. Which is why I don't like liner locks or lock backs with the bit you depress at the heel of the grip.
You know, I have a Manix 2 already. But I am going to my first Cold Steel simply because they those sort of tests.
Benchmade Adamas vs. The Spartan please. Adamas has the oversized Axis Lock. Should be close in weight.
that reminds me, i need to get a new spyderco, i only had one that was old and used and dull as all hell so i gave it away.
Spyderco endura next please.
Actually I came here to see at what weight it failed but I think Andrew knew that it cannot hold much weight as he stopped the test. There's no liners so I'm curious how much weight the g10 can hold. Haven't seen a test to failure on the colossus and broken skull unless I missed it.
The handle is the weak point which I don't mind in exchange for a lighter weight.
A pistol at work? Is that bad the working relationship at Cold Steel?
Bench made adamas 275 non auto version!!! Let's see what it will do.
Let's see a video of a dpx hest 2.0 vs something. I wanna see if their lock system can beat a cold steel.
Can you guys make a cold steel scythe
They make titanium scales & that back spacer frame piece behind the blade that failed on the Manix 2XL in titanium too ! Has anyone tested the Manix 2XL with the complete Flytanium upgrades to see how much stronger it became? If not Please do !
You guys gotta test against an Emerson or a Strider. Both of them make some serious claims and are way more expensive than comparable Cold Steel knives.
Now Cold Steel is just being a bully! ;) (Sarcasm) No doubt that Cold Steel has definitely got the strongest lock in the business, but I really thought the ball bearing lock would at least put up a fight! Oh well! Still great knives and the ball bearing lock is very fun to play with! :) Another great video!
Please test a Spyderco Resilience or the smaller versions.
I have two of them and both cannot withstand one little, very light spine whack. Therefore, i don't use them for more than light kitchen stuff etc.
It's almost like a slipjoint, i'm not kidding.
I'm very dissappointed with that.
Cold Steel make the GREATEST folding/fixed blade knives!
I would have liked to see how much weight the man is 2 would have held without the 5 spine wacks. I think the spine wacks weakened the top screw that broke lose. Don't get me wrong, I think the spine wack is the most important test, but I'm certain it affected the other test.
I hate auto correct
***** you guys should compare a knife to the buck marksman 830. Buck makes the claim on their website that it is the strongest locking mechanism they have ever built, and it can withstand up to 600lbs. It kinda has the same specs as the code 4, maybe compare it to that?
Test the Spyderco FRN Endura 4 .... Pls ......
Mr. Demko
Thank you for making these videos for all the Cold Steel fans out there. Can't tell you how many people I've told about Cold Steel knives and there outstanding performance. First heard of the company in a Nutnfancy youtube knife review of the Cold Steel Recon 1, ever since then I've been hooked. Again thank you for your time spent on making these beautiful knives and these videos.
Patrick
tell when I am ever going to apply my folding knife in this way? and the reason people like the other locking systems is for convenience in my own opinion not necessarily for strength of lock. I would rather used a fix blade for more daunting tasks
+csknives I guess, but Lockback style locks are not as easy to close with one hand unlike all you have tested against. I have put my manix and paramilitary through tons of abuse,and have never had and issues with them. it's unreal abuse to me I know that I have had a sak that is slip joint and no issues. to me the seat belt thing I understand, but really a five point harness is better right? but the seat belts we have work so to me it's about ease of use yet still durable enough. not overkill.
Spyderco compression lock
Ryan Tseng I want to see it too, but IMHO I think the locking tab on the Spyderco will twist or maybe the pin will pull through the liners.
How about Emerson Commander vs AK47?
Bob Wampler I just want to see an Emerson.
About the only lock I think would beat the Tri-Ad would be the Lionsteel SR-1 with the RotoBlock system. It would be great to see a 4-Max or a Code 4 go against an SR-1.
+Rodger Pitts the sr will fail....i could close mine wth a moderate spine wack...so sold it....it is a great knife ...real beauty. and i like their steel
With the RotoBlock engaged? How can that happen?
dont know...only know i reordered my SR because it was not delivered sharp...and a spine wack is one of the first thing i do with a blade ( gotta trust it right?) the second one i got did the same. just by hitting on a wooden chair while holding it in my hand was enough. iI do not say that all SR's suffer from this...maybe a certain production line?...i sold it because lock strength is important to ME...doesnt have to be your parameter offcourse...felt bad about it because i realy like the SR's especially the thick big belly blade...absolutely perfect. if only cold steel would make folders with such a thick blade....wow. i admit...whenever i have some money i do look at the lionsteels...some realy beautifull designs...so not trying to bash the brand here. same thing was with my ZT 200...closed on me while cutting cardboard and blade got tangled up in tape...i have the scar to proove it ;-)
Rotoblock is just a tiny little nub to slightly prevent to bar from pushing out. It still can be squashed pretty easily because its so small. Its just a gimmick
Now, how are you gonna sue CRKT for false advertising when you still haven't corrected your claim that polypropylene is a cut resistant material (still up on your own item description on your own web store), when my and countless other reviews show that your polyP are absolutely not cut resistant?
cut resistant doesnt mean cut proof. thats why they made that claim. virtually everything resist cutting to one degree or another even paper. thats why they will never take it down and nothing will happen. Its a claim anything thats made of matter can make.
Just like how Stainless steel can stain/rust/corrode.
idk guys, a test by any company is potentially swayed to favor their product. these need to be independent, cool contraptions or not. i bet a spyderco sponsored test will show different results.
Dave Schmall Spyderco wouldn't have the balls to do these tests and film them.
Dave Schmall
You are using a website called "RUclips". It happens to contain many videos from humans all over the globe, including people who test Cold Steel's products but are not in the employ of Cold Steel. You can use the "search" function to find such testing videos.
SolidSnake2948 Knife noobs. LOL
CorkKNIFE Hmm? lol
Dave Schmall Andrew Demko's Tri-ad lock, is HIS design, and cold steel uses it, liscenses it, whatever. Check out Andrew's custom handmade stuff. He doesn't just work for Cold Steel - he's a well known knife maker and has been, even prior to Cold Steel. I'm not saying this doesn't guarantee a non-bias result, but know that the guy knows what he's talking about, he's not just some R&D guy in a lab somewhere.
Men will take over when shirogorova tests?))
I recognize the strength of the tri-ad lock, but I just cannot stand the operation of it. I've never liked liner locks or back locks, probably why I carry my 940 so much.
3 years after...... how's the sales? did it go up after this tests? chill, stay humble folks!
Test a strider!
Strider would fail this test. There are other videos out there of striders.
Why does the cold steel spin all the way around like its not tight or the washers let it spin making it unfair plus I never use knives or (folding knives) like that so
Because the g10 handle on the spyderco was flat, which allowed the torque pressure to cause enough friction grip vs the CS that has a more rounded handle that was on more of a bevel when tightened and that in turn allows for an easier slip and spin on the over strike and wacks
Great comparison and mechanism. Most loner locks and compression would not pass that.
Dude these test have no bearing especially when it's being conducted by a manufacturer of knives...third party test like blade hq lock test would be less likely to have loosened the screws on the manix 2 to insure it fails against a CS knife making sure no ties allowed. This is just ridiculousness by hype marketing their own product.
I think this is the perfect response for most critiques of this process. Anyone with a stronger knife could do the same thing with a modest cash outlay.
Really liking my new code4 :)
Try it yourself if you don't trust them, otherwise, are you just here to hate?
Joe Valerio I don't see why they would if they have faith in they're knifes why would hey cheat and if they messed with the knife the manix would have failed in the very begging
Joe Valerio I'm not a cold steel fanboy I like spyderco more for edc but I love the cold steel triad-lock
Evil Bastard how are the test rigged than? I've seen the 4 Max hold 818lbs and the lock opened and closed so don't tell me they weld the Coldsteel locks.
Is that Lynn in the background? lol
Does a coldsteel ever fail one of these tests??
+csknives And I'd guess that the breaking points of specific knives are kept as a trade secret? (Can't make it too easy for competitors!)
the test Andrew runs is unbiased the proof is in the pudding but the triad lock is just simply amazing
There are multiple variables at play here, making for a completely valueless test.
I understand that this test was never intended to be scientific, but admitting that fact does not mean it can avoid criticism.
The two factors in this test were
1. Lock strength (the factor supposed to be tested)
2. "Grip strength"
This second factor is problematic because it is obvious that the Cold Steel knife is held in place with less actual force than the Spyderco Knife.
Yes, both knives were subjected to identical tensions, however, the coefficient of friction is obviously less on the Cold Steel knife due to the handle shape. This means that more energy is transferred into rotating the knife around the unnecessary pivot point, i.e. less energy is transferred into the knife lock, which is what is being tested to begin with.
All of this means that less actual force is applied to the Cold Steel knife's locking mechanism than the Spyderco's, making this a completely irrelevant and dishonest test, and yet another reason I will never buy from Cold Steel.
All of this could be solved by simply zip-tying both knives to the metal piece rather than intentionally creating multiple variables and therein a deliberate advantage for the Cold Steel knife.
What a load of shameless trickery.
go fuck your hat
spooderco es shet
When Blade HQ did their first lock strength test( not to be confused with the second video where they used a wench) the Spyderco tenacious held 380lbs without breaking. The weight test was done in the same manner as these Cold Steel videos.
If you had made your criticisms of the testing method in a more of a "I noticed etc, try this instead," manner, instead of making the assumption they are out to completely skew the results, your initial comment might have been met with positivity, and even maybe bettered CS's testing methodology. Just a thought as you go furiously critiquing RUclips videos. Offer constructive criticism instead of pure negativity and assumptions.
Jordan Wood I did give constructive criticism, but unlike you, I'm skeptical enough to know a scam when I see one.
Spyder co manix best knife , wish they would remake it for 2019 without the hole an put a thumb stud instead please pretty pretty please I hate the hole.
Why do you hate the hole I think it's one of the best things about Spyderco. Can flick it with the middle finger an have you tryed the zip tie hack so you can make it open like an Emerson when pulled outta the pocket?
Everyone knows the triad lock is king...got it.
A little secret:
There's a lot more to folders for most than just lock strength...a good pocket clip, nice aesthetics, variety in colors and blade finishes...
True story.
You must've missed the part where he said to get the knife you want, and that he's just testing the lock.
why do i need a knife to pass this test? ive never had a knife from any maker fail on me and ive also never hung weights from my knife. and by design arent knives made to cut, not rack your weights? but then again this is just a marketing scheme to make people think their knives need to be "over built" so they wont break when theyre in the customers pocket or when they open mail.
jacob miranda That's CS standards. Their knives are strong and do sell. This is a good benchmark just to give us an idea of the knives breakpoint. I would like to see more tests of this kind in the future. It really helps!
Tri ad lock, strong, but what about the other qualities of a good knife? I will never spine wack my folder. I could use my fixed blades for that. Cold steel does not out perform. The designs , clips, extra textured g10 and poor quality control are bad for our wallets. A manic 2 xl is actually 130 bucks s30v and spyderco has excellent quality control, not to mention made in the USA. Sal and Eric are cool and humble ...Andrew d. And the other cs big wig does a video on how hard he works out and is super cheesy with a hug gut. That gut represents his appetite and laziness towards quality. And guess what , cs was great, until they moved overseas. Only thing I like is the recon series in s35vn but still a bitch to open with one hand and the clips are trash. Listen to consumers. Get a new marketing system. Names like broken skull, golden eye, ultimate hunter don't work. Love you guys for introducing me to a beautiful recon but other than that....the 4 max which costs as much as a crk ?!? USA vs Italy? Taiwan vs China ? I don't need a tri ad lock . The glesser family have perfected their craft. Benchmade does quality and has the best customer service. Zt provides huge blades. Write me , sit with me, and I could tell you what the consumer wants . Why ? My IG speaks for itself. I'm linked up with an ear to the knife community. Interview us Americans. We will do it for close to free. Do a campaign where you hold a mic to the community. Forget watching the ceo work out!!! I'm here to help.
why don't you guys ship to australia
put a bolt behind the knives as well so they don't spin then we'll talk lol
That will make the tests less scientifically accurate, because they are torqued to represent the grip of a human hand holding them. If you ever slipped and banged your knife against a brick wall or steel girder when cuttingm your arm isn't a bolted fixed mechanism. Your arm has slack and gives way, so letting the blade move is more realistic for actual real world accidents and use.
@@londiniumarmoury7037 but thats not what this is about its about how strong the lock is right? not how strong the lock is in the most realistic use situation otherwise they would be spine whacking folders in the first place lol
@@londiniumarmoury7037 and no ive never slipped and banged by blade against its spine on a fucking brick wall or steel girder lmao
@@williamspetter2823 Well there's nothing stopping you from buying a cheap cold steel knife and fully clamping it down and uploading the results to RUclips. If you really want to know how much locked in impact force they can handle on a spine whack test. I think even in that test the triad lock will probably come out on top, there's probably another reason they dont fully clamp the knives down as well, flying blade tips. So if you do the test make sure to wear some kind of protection, because you will be increasing the likelyhood of blades flying around at high speeds, which could potentially kill somebody.
Benchmade axis lock best lock in the world has never failed on me and I can't say the same about cold steel tri-ad lock that has faild on me on 3 of my cold steel knives
kamikaze cortez Benchmade Bedlam lost.
kamikaze cortez lie much
+kamikaze cortez at leat make your lies believable
Y es necesario portar un arma de fuego para hacer la cosa esa que hace? Que en ningún momento de la vida de esos filos se van a utilizar en esos extremos..!!
Strider! This is a challenge CS will possibly fail. But I still won't like Striders)
Emerson is a useless toy - titan liner lock is pretty bad choice for tactical folder.
Knife SPA a strider would never beat a triad lock.
Biased condition sir. As there are no reps from spyderco to create their own conditions. In science, you have weights and pendulums that you own. Where are the ones owned by spyderco? This will help those who lack education in physics and marketing magic. I'd like an answer back to when spyderco is taking the ultimate hunter on a sharpness , edge retention and quality control test. Is there a date? I'd like to see a graph on customer service calls to satisfaction ratio. I want to see data on turn around times from your grievance committee. I don't need haters insulting me. Just make me believe by data that includes both parties.
So is anything new coming up, that we can know is or that still again a no.
135 lbs is much better than average ! Next to the triad lock the axis ( g) lock ball lock are the strongest and safest !
I had my finger taped to a stick for a month because of the medford liner lock ( stick out cartoon far and you can not miss it while in use ) medfords are cartoon big way way to heavy and dangerous worthless collect safe queen novelty knives!
Cold steel always wins, tested by cold steel!!
Please do the Paramilitary 2. I would like to see how the compression lock compares. I know Cold Steel is #1, but I need to prove it to some people.
cold steel tests the mrx from rat works
anything vs a medford praetorian
Tactical X-Rays Framelock. Won't fare well.
i know. we've seen that. bust not against a handmade 12.4oz precision tool
Today we have the Ball Bearing Lock Spyderco Manix II vs. the "Reigning, Pound for Pound, Champion of the World," CS's, Andrew Demko, Tri-Ad Lock, Ultimate Hunter.
Spyderco Manix II, Ball Bearing Lock, did well and passed the "Spine Wack & Over Strike Test." :) But, the Manix II failed on the "Weight Hang Test," at 135 pounds. :(
CS Ultimate Hunter, Tri-Ad Lock, passed all "Test!" And, is still the reigning, pound for pound, "Champion of the World!!!"
actually the'' tri ad lock'' is the best system to locking blade. absolutely!
Stiletto thanks now I don't have to watch....
Why wouldn't you test the cold steel to failure?... we want to know it's limitations