The One Big Reason The New Peterbilt 589 Sales Will Tank
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2024
- The One Big Reason The New Peterbilt 589 Sales Will Tank. In this video, Dave talks about the new 589 Peterbilt model truck and how Peterbilt has changed it so much, sales may be in jeopardy!
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Hey there Driver. Thanks for dropping by to catch today's video. What are YOUR thoughts on the new Pete 589? I am NOT a fan. They've wrecked it!!!!!!
The Freightliner Cascadia is an ugly POS and Fleets still buy them
Cost. The modern new age truckers driving in their pyjamas and flip flops will love them
As a tow truck driver i find the lack of tow hooks on the front to be overly optimistic.
I think a big problem nowadays is that the people designing these trucks were not truck drivers themselves at one time. In my opinion, this makes a huge difference. I think PB changed what was once a nice truck into what it is today for one reason, TO SAVE MONEY. PERIOD!!!!. Quality be danmed.
Precisely; on the other hand, Kenworth is still keeping the W9 & T8 around despite the fact that they’re likely getting fined for making them.
@DMTruckSpotting Yeah, and what a shame that is. Star as well is still keeping it real. In fact that's what I run, tanker in the the Alberta oil patch.
I think you are absolutely right! Hated to see the W9 get reworked too! They have taken an amazing legacy truck and committed sacrilege!
The digital dash sucks the big reason is so Peterbilt can build the 589,579& 567 with the same cab & sleepers for mass production of cookie cutter trucks
You are correct. That is what I was told by a Peterbilt dealer. It was too cut costs since the 389 had its own production line
I've also heard a lot of complaints about the digital dash display freezing up
Yes, I agree Fred. A money saver for Peterbilt. They've made a big mistake in my opinion.
If it's not broken, don't fix it! It's that simple.
I really hope the W900 doesn't go the same way like the 389 just did.
That is what companies do best: mess up what was not broken, Sadly
I think they felt pressured by the government to have a more fuel efficient truck.
As someone who worked at the Denton plant for over 16 years, they don’t give a rats ass what you think or want. It’s all about efficiency of production and maximizing profit. As far as the looks, their attitude is that you will grow to love it and embrace it, and unfortunately, history is in their favor on this one.
I agree with you and your friends opinions. I was at the Peterbilt Invitation Only truck show in October 2023. The president of Peterbilt said, - the short answer- it’s because of the EPA and fuel economy standards set by the Government.
The old mechanical ones that are still on the road (not to mention those which have been parked for years and being resurrected) will be around for years. These new are all computerized and you'll need a loan on your mortgage for any repairs. With less owner operators on the road and often being asked to haul cheap freight and all the other issues will doom this truck.
I’ve been a Peterbilt fan since building the California Hauler model as a kid in the early ‘70s. The new 589 has now made me a fan of the KW900L
Owner operators want individual gauges in the dash that can be replaced individually. Also on heavy equipment. Replaceable body panels. Replaceable glass in pieces. The split window design is cheaper and stiffer. Can replace either side that is cracked. Bolt in grill. Bolt on fenders. Less molded parts.
The way I see it after driving Large cars since 1978, Modern Semi Trucks, Designed and Built by people who have never lived in and Driven a Truck.
i was working towards a 389 to replace my 359 exhd but I couldn't find one available in the configuration I wanted and I didn't want to buy used so I went with a w900l and couldn't be happier. I'm sure Peterbilt knew they would lose customers but the cost savings on the 589 manufacturing will likely make up for it. That's too bad.
02 379 6nz, my rig has 8axles for 105,500, don’t need nothing newer, I smile in my truck going down the road 🙂🙂🙂
I think its about time Peterbilt brought the classic style truck into modern times. But im still keeping my 06 379 with the toggle switches and all analog gauges.
Talking to my local Kenworth dealer 2 days ago...last W990L is 2026! 😢
My company 579....same cab as 589... nothing put problems.
Electrical. Dash sensors. . 2019.. 2020 model.
Paccar. Engine went boom at 466k.
The 359 was the last truck Pete ever made, drove one till 2023!
Some thing happened with the Western Star Constellation
The very first ones came out in 1997 look unreal then they went backwards over the years smaller air cleaners smaller fuel tanks now it looks like a Shakeliner
Cheers
Louis Kats from Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺
At least when kenworth came out with the w990 they were smart enough to keep the w900 in production
The EPA is placing certain requirements for the aerodynamic efficiency and minimum mileage requirements . Then there's also most likely a financial incentive for the parts to be the same or similar along the assembly line compared to peterbilt's other models.
If they built something dependable.economical and powerful they couldn't keep them in stock. Instead they build trucks for the government.
Basically my thought is they took the 389 and 579 and merged them to make a truck
I love your channel, thank you! I've been a Peterbilt fan for a very long time, but in my mind, the new machine reminds me of the 1980's vintage GMC General.
Oh that was it? That was fast lol. It’s certainly better than the w990 but ya I agree, why fix something that’s not broke. KW did the same thing and I’m very upset over that
Not to mention the oversized windshield. Need a two mile drop visor to chop that one down. 🤢
I've asked myself about the 579 I drive. So many small things about the truck are "Why did they make it like this?"
Great job!!!!!
The reason things are changing is economy. All the fuel mileage requirements now and more stringent future mileage laws. No old body flat nose truck can ever meet today's requirements. So, to stay in business, they have to start curving body panels. No old design will stay that all have to change. They don't have a choice.
Don’t forget the big def tank on the side with the fake exhaust stacks on in the air
I think it comes down to taste
I had 2 different 389s fully loaded and loved the look of them but found the cab super tight and switched to KW 880
So to me 589 is the best of both worlds combined but that's just me
Everybody said the same thing when the 389 came out they hated it it was ugly it will grow on people the new 589 but it won't be the looks that will deter people it'll be the $350,000 price tag Canadian to purchase it.
Although nothing beats a 379. I’d drive the 589 if it had a 18 speed manual transmission. At least it’s not as fugly as the KW 990.
It's all due to the EPA and fuel economy standards
What's sad is that In my 13 years on the Road (Most of which is Owner Operator) I have stood behind the Peterbilt name. Cummings Power Plants, Eaton Transmissions, and Reliable Paccar Chassis. I have relied on the dependability of the Peterbilt Name, and now, that changes. Progress does this. Innovation always gives way to risk. And Risk begats the creation of the unknown. This industry has long survived the troubles of the day on "Certainty" We are the Truckers of today because of the certainty of names like Peterbilt. Sadly, I have to admit I have converted to Detroit lately mainly due to the "Uncertainty" of the Subject matter in this video. Long Live the Idea that Like you said, "If it works - Don't F**k with it!" Keep em Real Dave. #ThatsTruckin
Not having seen one in person, the 589 looks like exactly what I want. 3 series looks with 5 series interior.
My 1st truck was a Peterbilt 379 . Nothing has topped that truck since. The new Pete might as well be another fleet truck
It looks “ok” when spec’d decently, and I’m sure aftermarket will have it looking “alright” in the coming months and years…but it will forever be second rate to its 3 series forefathers. It just looks slapped together. The only good thing it will really have going for it that I can give it credit for will be the room the 5 series cab will give.
Lotta, why's what ifs, and if only's at the end of the muscle car era after 1970, they just stopped making the classics that stood the test of time.
Smart trucking love your channel. I live in uk but big fan of American trucks. I think the main thing that blows the proportions of the 589 is the deep windshield and side windows, flat hood trucks look better with small windows. If peterbilt could have some how had a curved windshield but still keep the windshield and side windows small I think it would look more attractive. The old mack b61 had a curved windshield with small windows and is a very good looking truck.
I think Peterbilt did a great job incorporating the wider cab into the older style. It sure looks a lot better than a W990. All of the Petes have better styling than the Kenworths though I am quite fond of the T-800 probably because that’s what I use to drive.
Thanks!
Hey thanks for the support! Much appreciated.
Ugh freight shakers rule. The steering goes out on them too. It happened to me twice. The last time it went in the ditch and landed on its top.
Last time it went in the ditch? A brand new cascadia?
Last Pete I drove was a 379 flat top good truck 2007 model
I have been driving since 1983. I don’t like much of the newer generation trucks, I drive a 1998 and my backup truck is a 1999. I am running these trucks till I retire
Love me a Peterbilt!
But having finally just got into my own truck, I’ve got some strong opinions…
No wide cabs.
No curved glass.
No def.
My days are numbered I know, it I’m going to enjoy what remains
The W 900 is the only classic long nose left for now so the guys who still want a old school truck can get a W 9 !!
This is my thought Dave, but I am just a dumb old trucker. There was an interview of an old owner operator on Muthatrucker recently. I think he was right on the money when he said that TRUE O/O were done. Between the bad laws, regulations, and ever increasing fuel costs, most guys can’t make a profit anymore. So, who is going to take over the freight? The mega carriers. They won’t buy 389s. So, Peterbilt is doing what they can to sell trucks when the O/O are gone. Maybe a mega will buy 589s if it means they can get drivers after they sell their own trucks.
the 589 is all show and it misses the mark
Are these trucks primarily used for heavy haul or a sort of specialty truck?? With freight rates so low the name of the game is fuel efficiency and economy meaning aesthetics are a luxury…..
Yeah yeah yeah doom and gloom...same story when the 379 went away and the 389 still sold as fast as you could get them. These too will sell.
From what I understand. They took away the vocational chassis and strictly making OTR trucks now. There goes all the trailer dumps, tri and quad axle dump and crane trucks.
If it does the job and does it well, then it’s a good truck to me.
Fleet compagnies will buy them , though.
I am 39 years old.. I have 3 mid 90’s 379’s with cat engines. They run great. They look cool, and are easy to repair. I do not like the 589. A side from being ugly. They are not as rebuildable as the 389,379,359’s. The cabs are not rebuildable like to old trucks. You can’t reskin them. They will not hold there value.. It is a shame
I read an article and seen a video because I was curious myself. The classic 389 we love takes multiple people about 10 hours to make one cab. The not a fan of 589 can be rolled out by machines in about 2 hours for a cab. So my guess is quantity over quality. The CEO of Peterbilt said that the 589 will probably be the last of the long hood Peterbilt.
Finally someone saying these are trash. Why would you take such a good looking truck and ruin it. All that plastic interior no more wooden dash. Plus the door looks like it came from a car. Why can’t they just leave one classy rig in the manufacturing lineup? And all the other trucking RUclipsrs acting like they like it.. I know they probably truly don’t. Damn brown envelopes.
Plus when those fancy digital dash starts glitching it’s gonna be a shit show man. And it’s not like I don’t like changes the problem is this change is too drastic.
The 359 to 379 to 389 was very smooth in terms of exterior looks and nice classy interior with wood grain dash with full package analog gauges. Now the 589 is like adding a Tesla in the mix (not literally) but you get what I’m trying to say.
Just my opinion though, don’t kill me for it
It seems manufactures are taking that route. Take a current model add things to it and it’s a new model even though you can tell it’s a current model. Freightliner/ Westernstar did that, Westernstar took the Cascadia body only changed the hood and added stacks to the side 57x, 49x and 47x
I believe the “idea” behind the design is to cross the old & next gen models. Give you the best of both worlds type of thing. But they don’t what they’re doing anymore. I see them out there, but they’re a maintenance pit once you put some miles of them.
I’m not an owner operator, never was and with the prices so high and the rates so low probably never will . But I’ve driven all kinds of trucks in my 49 years of trucking and you guys and gals will most likely laugh at me when I mention my favorite trucks. No they’re not 359, 379 or 389 Pete’s but they were great to drive. No not the 04 W900L with the 475 Cat. No not the 75 Brockway or the 70 White 9000. No not the 73 White Freightliner cabover either. My favorites would be either a Mack R-model or the F-700 . Why??? I’ll tell you; if set up with an air ride cab, suspension and seat and a 350 E-6 hooked to the Mack 12 speed going into 3:90 rears on tall 22.5’s would be the perfect set up. Don’t forget the E-6 hp was advertised at the wheels. The perfect tractor for getting into tight places; a decent ride, an economical machine and when decked out with whatever shiny stuff is out there a pretty good looking ride. And if I could find one at a good price I just might buy one.
Hey it still looks great most people would not even notice unless up close. If you can get better mileage and still have the looks then why not.
I’m tired of hearing people saying, “589 looks good”. 😂 I know that much.
If the W990, a substantially different truck from the W900, is doing relatively decently, then I think the 589 will do a bit better, as it seems to have more positive reception. I personally think Pete should’ve given the 389 some “Lonestar-esque” treatment by keeping the cab, and restyling the front end to resemble some of their early models from the 1930s, which had rounded front ends for aerodynamics. Sadly, it was just cheaper for them to save money by utilizing the same cab as the 579; the 389 would’ve been the only model using the 1.9M cab if it was kept.
We need a 562 Cabover like the K220. If they’re making aero trucks, at least make them interesting.
I'm a fan of the 589! Love it..😊
My opinion is... 359, 379, 389 only offered looks and feels. It looked traditional, and felt traditional. The only difference is cab and sleeper when it really comes down to the bare bones. The marketing team needs to understand this. O/O buy the look of the cab and sleeper. It's not a big market. But I fear they lost us. The 589 will be bought, but the will be cussed. All they did is lose their foothold. Now their is no difference between International, peterbilt, etc. All plastic crap traps.
Well said 100% in agreement. They've lost us in the process. So said to see these trucks fall into the tupperware category.
I commented on Peterbilts 589 reveal video saying they should bring back the 359 just to keep things simple.
This should keep the demand and prices up for the older units.
Well it's kinda like what Ford did with the mustang. Each model year they had a different team come up with that particular model design for the up coming year. It took quite a few designs to absolutely fail before someone with a brain and some knowledge of what the classic mustang design and what it meant to finally pull their collective heads out of their asses to get it right.
Unlike Kenworth who all they did was reinvent the international eagle with their new W9 model Peterbilt has tried to stay somewhere close to the classic design but let engineers and designers who don't have a clue about what the classics mean or stand for take a crack at it.
Hopefully they'll figure it out and go back to what worked.
But in the end it won't matter because drivers who appreciate a classic design are aging out of the business and all the newer ones have never driven anything besides a sloped hood and don't know any better.
I never have trouble seeing where my truck is parked. I just look down the row of sloped hoods and see mine standing above the rest.
The 359 model was the last good truck they made. I have an eighty-seven model with a b model Cat with over three million miles and it's running strong. When i have to drive my boy's 379, i'm like a duck out of water.
Last good looking Peterbilt was a 359.
Are they creating an aftermarket gold mine to make it look more old school?
I agree it looks worse than their other prior ones, but it still looks a lot better than most of the other trucks /:
Guys that have bought and driven Peterbilts for 40 & 50 years are not the target market. Those guys are going be buying a casket before they buy another truck. Peterbilt is looking at the future market and they are right in doing so in order to survive as a company. The thing they missed though is replacing the steering wheel with a joystick since that’s what today’s new drivers are most familiar with.
I kind of think both the 579 and the W990 are only meant to have short production lifetimes ,it’s going to be a sneaky way of completely eliminating all long hood trucks in favor of aerodynamic curb sniffers, and I think it goes hand in hand with the eventual extinction of the owner operator.
The "hood" designs haven't changed much since the 1970's. The classic's are the lowest selling models for every manufacturer. Paccar sold less 389's in their entire production run starting in 2007 than Freightliner sells Cascadias each year. From a numbers perspective, it just doesn't make sense to keep the classic trucks in production. They are better suited for vocational use than on-road freight operations.
Every peterbilt. I been around has had electrical problems.
Paccar is finally starting to catch up to Freightliner.
It’s about time!!!
If it would not break or have all of the problems of today’s trucks . I would buy one …all i want is to run and not be broke down.
Well when the 379 came out the 359 drivers said it was horrible and when the 389 came out the 379 drivers said it was horrible so...
What made these trucks were the combination of the truck and engine. These long nose trucks with emission engines are not real long nose trucks. No different than a cascadia
Let me break it down...
Fakerbuilt has created thier own version of the International 9000/9900 i Eagle and they have destroyed the class of that international by making it look like a fakerbuilt.
The International series had the classy interior with oldskool dash, it had a excellent cab.
389 and now 589 had nothing of that quality. The 389 is nothing that Peterbilt ever created... it's Paccar doing that Curbsnifferizing a real truck into what it has become.
They did nothing but take the 579 cab sleeper and just put the hood and air cleaner on it just like you said the thing that makes it look the worst is the one piece windshield without the cross brace in the center and everything on cab and sleeper is got a round and curve look and then you have no transmission into the square long hood and never will that hood and look go with a cab sleeper in one without the gap between the two
I Googled pictures of it. I had to send a picture of my gages of my 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee to my brother. I said to him. Remember the good old days. I didn't like when the came out with the anteater design. They ruined the looks of real trucks then. Then. The automatic. They really ruined it then. Now EV. I had to use their technology with my 2020 F150 to drive the pickup on snow and ice. I just fixed it so I don't have to anymore. I changed the tires and the brand. The pickup handles now perfectly with normal mode and my driving skills. No, I don't like any new vehicles in 2021 and forward. I am old school. I like to be able to work on it and fix it myself.
The rarest Peterbilt ever manufactured has a Paccar engine in it and runs flawlessly !
I think it will sale. Just for the simple fact it's Peterbilt and resembles the other models. Once people get accustomed to it. But yeah I'm not a fan of them. But I don't really like any of the new model trucks personally 😂😂😂
Have to move for the W900L
Fuel prices, period. End of story, not many people can make money with a 389
Can't afford one. I'm a owner operator, hauling steel. Just doesn't pay enough.
I think this has more to do with emissions regulations than anything. Sure, engineers can argue it saves man hours on the production line, but again, that was a strong selling point for the 389. “It takes 40 man hours to make a single 389 cab.” Good! That’s quality you should stand behind. And quality I’d pay for.
I love them peterbilts
Yeah, they aren’t cool
Paccarr did the same to the Kenworths. They are cutting costs for more profit.
I thought they were going to look funny..but after seeing a few of them here at the peterbilt place, they still look pretty good to me..except the windshield looks weird...as for it having the digital dash, the 2024 389 have a digital dash so that's nothing new
Hopefully, my 389 will last me till retirement.
Then need to go back to long hoods and two piece windshield. I think they want to make the models so they all can use the same parts. Plus the designers are are not truck guys.