Mein MK2 wurde auch vor 3 Wochen geliefert. Es ist mein aller erster Analoge Synthesizer mit Klaviatur. Er klingt richtig schön Bengelig. Für das Geld auch Ideal zum Einsteigen in die Analoge Synthesizer Welt. Toller Vergleich und es ist einfach nur logisch, dass Analoge Synthesizer im grunde immer etwas unterschiedlich klingen und man darf auch nicht vergessen, altes Gerät neues Gerät und völlige andere Produktions Prozesse, von heute und damals. Das hat Behringer gut gemacht. Beste Grüße 😊✌️👍
Brilliant to see / hear a fair comparison of the MS-1 MK2 against an SH101. I've had mine for a couple of weeks now and am really happy with the purchse. Also loving the jams.
They might be made of cheaper components for their time, but they were still better quality than the flimsy plastic crap of today. Not to mention easily serviceable and widely available parts
@@project-95 You misunderstood. The original SH-101 was plagued with shoddy capacitors that leaked and the thing was never in tune for very long. They were made with cheaper plastic than is available today. I assume that Behringer spent the time to use solid caps, and better chokes than the originals. Not Roland's fault, they were trying to keep the costs down. Depending on which revision of SH-101 determined how long it would be before you had to retune it. That's without looking at the flaws of the sliders they use, which had severe issues with corrosion in certain environments.
@@Myexpectationsarerealistic Never had those problems with mine. The common issues (power switch, sliders) are easily fixed, especially with DinSync’s RE-101 project and the availability of spare parts. My point is don’t let anyone talk you out of buying an original. For a 40 year old plastic synth that everyone likes to call cheap crap, it’s very robust. The MS-1 will only get you so close to that sound, close enough for the money but won’t scratch that itch for a real 101.
Having owned 2 different sh-101s and the OG MS-101 and played a new MK2.... While the behiringers have the FM modulation which is awesome and opens up a lot of new possibilities they still even with the MK2 just miss the mark when it comes to the SH-101. The Roland just sounds thicker and has a growl that the behringer doesnt have. The Behringer just sounds thinner and buzzier. Its really hard to make the SH-101 sound bad Roland really dialed it in to just always deliver where as the behringer just doesnt have that really tuned in adjustment on the amp and filters to get it to the finish line. Id love to sell the SH-101 and keep the MS but side by side the SH is inspiring in ways the MS has never been to me.
Well I must say I disagree. Since making this video I've sold my 101 and haven't looked back. You can just keep the oscillators below full to avoid the crunch and feed it external CV for the VCA envelope to get it sounding *almost* identical. (This was my preference anyway as often I want to modulate the envelope with say an LFO to give it variance, but this sort of modification is a bit blasphemous on an original). Anyway, It's definitely close enough for me and specifically for any deep low end tones, there are far better synths for the job than the 101. I'd say the 101 sound is kinda thin and thats why we love it - it sits in the mix!
but yes the original in terms of visual and tactile design truly is a thing of beauty and I cant blame anyway for wanting to retain it for that side of things. Coupled with the sequencer, it really is a complete instrument in a way that most synths fall short.
@@entropyhi Thats kinda the whole thing with a SH-101 thought its not a go to for a bread and butter mono synth. The Bass station 2 is levels above a SH but when cloning a SH you would expect an exact replica to get that Roland sound. They did it with the TD but you wouldnt buy a TB or TD as a bread and butter synth either. I wish behringer nailed but its just not there. The things you want the SH sound and feel for just are missing.
I quite like the ability to mute and unmute steps and swap between patterns is a luxury, but yes the programming isnt as fun as the OG but another great option is the ASQ-1 which is much more like programming the 101.
If you compare two original 101s they are also not sounding quite identical. Plus: the ms1 mkii is new tool of musical inspiration, the SH-101 is ooooooold, 7 years younger than me. But anyway: great comparison.
do you mean the fix for the power switch where you bridge the ground connections? I tried that but had to replace my whole switch as there were further issues in the circuit causing unstable pitch
actually I'd say replicating the specific 'crunch' or overdrive of the output would be a little tricky in the box. Overall the Roland Cloud version sounds great but a little stiff
Mein MK2 wurde auch vor 3 Wochen geliefert. Es ist mein aller erster Analoge Synthesizer mit Klaviatur. Er klingt richtig schön Bengelig. Für das Geld auch Ideal zum Einsteigen in die Analoge Synthesizer Welt. Toller Vergleich und es ist einfach nur logisch, dass Analoge Synthesizer im grunde immer etwas unterschiedlich klingen und man darf auch nicht vergessen, altes Gerät neues Gerät und völlige andere Produktions Prozesse, von heute und damals. Das hat Behringer gut gemacht. Beste Grüße 😊✌️👍
Love the FM on the MS1 - brings it out of the standard 101 sounds and into new territory
Brilliant to see / hear a fair comparison of the MS-1 MK2 against an SH101. I've had mine for a couple of weeks now and am really happy with the purchse. Also loving the jams.
Yeah I really appreciate the mods as it felt wrong to mod the original - it’s simplicity is what makes it so special!
Is this with the firmware updates?
No i made this video right before - thats why the demo has the old glide functionality. The new firmware was good enough for me to sell my 101
@entropyhi nice! Good to know
Sounds like mostly the envelopes are different?
MS-1 sounds great!! I think I still want an original though
They suck. Always falling out of tune, and their internals aren’t made of the best components.
They might be made of cheaper components for their time, but they were still better quality than the flimsy plastic crap of today. Not to mention easily serviceable and widely available parts
@@project-95 You misunderstood.
The original SH-101 was plagued with shoddy capacitors that leaked and the thing was never in tune for very long.
They were made with cheaper plastic than is available today.
I assume that Behringer spent the time to use solid caps, and better chokes than the originals. Not Roland's fault, they were trying to keep the costs down. Depending on which revision of SH-101 determined how long it would be before you had to retune it.
That's without looking at the flaws of the sliders they use, which had severe issues with corrosion in certain environments.
@@Myexpectationsarerealistic Never had those problems with mine. The common issues (power switch, sliders) are easily fixed, especially with DinSync’s RE-101 project and the availability of spare parts. My point is don’t let anyone talk you out of buying an original. For a 40 year old plastic synth that everyone likes to call cheap crap, it’s very robust. The MS-1 will only get you so close to that sound, close enough for the money but won’t scratch that itch for a real 101.
@@project-95 I have seen dozens of them over 30 years.
End Jam, is a bit like Squarepusher...? very nice
Interesting. The SH-101 does have a noticeable punchier envelope. The MS-1 sounds a bit sloppy in comparison.
MS got velocity keybed.
SH got "organ" keybed. No velocity, all notes are at "max".
Maybe that's why you perceive the MS less punchy...
That last jam was fantastic! What did you use for that last chorus effect? Thanks!
The Yamaha V50 is what I’m lying the pads on and it has some crunchy built in digital fx (and analog distortion). I think that’s what you mean?
Having owned 2 different sh-101s and the OG MS-101 and played a new MK2.... While the behiringers have the FM modulation which is awesome and opens up a lot of new possibilities they still even with the MK2 just miss the mark when it comes to the SH-101. The Roland just sounds thicker and has a growl that the behringer doesnt have. The Behringer just sounds thinner and buzzier. Its really hard to make the SH-101 sound bad Roland really dialed it in to just always deliver where as the behringer just doesnt have that really tuned in adjustment on the amp and filters to get it to the finish line. Id love to sell the SH-101 and keep the MS but side by side the SH is inspiring in ways the MS has never been to me.
Well I must say I disagree. Since making this video I've sold my 101 and haven't looked back. You can just keep the oscillators below full to avoid the crunch and feed it external CV for the VCA envelope to get it sounding *almost* identical. (This was my preference anyway as often I want to modulate the envelope with say an LFO to give it variance, but this sort of modification is a bit blasphemous on an original). Anyway, It's definitely close enough for me and specifically for any deep low end tones, there are far better synths for the job than the 101. I'd say the 101 sound is kinda thin and thats why we love it - it sits in the mix!
but yes the original in terms of visual and tactile design truly is a thing of beauty and I cant blame anyway for wanting to retain it for that side of things. Coupled with the sequencer, it really is a complete instrument in a way that most synths fall short.
@@entropyhi Thats kinda the whole thing with a SH-101 thought its not a go to for a bread and butter mono synth. The Bass station 2 is levels above a SH but when cloning a SH you would expect an exact replica to get that Roland sound. They did it with the TD but you wouldnt buy a TB or TD as a bread and butter synth either. I wish behringer nailed but its just not there. The things you want the SH sound and feel for just are missing.
I've been using the Crave and MS1 for ages now and still find the sequencer unintuitive and slow
I quite like the ability to mute and unmute steps and swap between patterns is a luxury, but yes the programming isnt as fun as the OG but another great option is the ASQ-1 which is much more like programming the 101.
If you compare two original 101s they are also not sounding quite identical. Plus: the ms1 mkii is new tool of musical inspiration, the SH-101 is ooooooold, 7 years younger than me. But anyway: great comparison.
Yes even from memory mine is noticeably different to my friends that I had on loan for a while. His definitely needed the power switch replacement
Try the same with 2 versions of the OG SH101. One with the ground plane fix, one without.
do you mean the fix for the power switch where you bridge the ground connections? I tried that but had to replace my whole switch as there were further issues in the circuit causing unstable pitch
Just wondering where you got the knobs for your TD3? 😀
i just painted the original ones
@@entropyhi nice! 😊
It’s like comparing a vintage strat with a new squire. I’m fine with the squire. If I win the lottery, both of course…
Sounds identical?
Behringer sounds like the plugin version haha
actually I'd say replicating the specific 'crunch' or overdrive of the output would be a little tricky in the box. Overall the Roland Cloud version sounds great but a little stiff
MK2 is not out yet… 😂😂😂
Yes it is, i bought it from Thoman. Shipped to norway.
@@Benny_Espresso what’s the new stuff???
It’s available here in Australia?
More than 3 weeks ago is available
Not available yet in the US and that's what really matters.