The monstrous clamping pressure is indeed great -- performed beautifully to produce seamless joints on a 48" wide, 2" thick hardwood table I recently built. Problem is, that amount of clamping pressure exceeds the material strength of the metal centering device and even the acme screws used in the clamp. All of the cast iron pads on my clamps are now cupped, and the acme screws on two of the clamps are bent such that I can't fully unthread them. The clamps are still usable for now, but I'm worried about continued deformation of the hardware going forward. I'm surprised they did not catch this during product testing and adjust accordingly. Furthermore, the hole pattern on the 50" extended bars are not mirrored (which I don't think they mention in the manual) -- as long as you're paying attention this is not a problem, but the first time I used them I got a surprise when I tried to tighten them up and realized I had to reverse one of the bars so that they both lined up. I also think there is too much space between the holes on the 50" extensions. I have found that on maybe one out of every three glue ups I have had to insert spacers between the pads and the stock to reach the material. When you are using these clamps alone they are fairly easy to set up, but if you use in combination with other clamps, where the stock is not resting directly on the Clampzilla bars (but rather is elevated above it by the higher plane of the other clamps), they are a freaking nightmare to engage -- to the point where it is better done as a two man job so as not to overrun the open time of your adhesive. The clamps are also a PITA to store with all the hardware attached unless you have ample space, as opposed to many of us who use the leftover tight spaces in the shop for clamp storage -- so I have to disassemble them whenever they are not in use, and spend about 15 minutes reassembling them when I use them again.
Now this is a solution that makes sense both economically and practically. Looks like they engineered all the right things into them, especially the front and back pads...really GENIUS. I have both the KRDR from Slovenia and the Frontline clamps and both are ok but nothing like whats being shown here and both of those are FAR more expensive . I will be ordering!!!!!
So now here is a question. I love the idea of not having to mill everything when putting together a top. But, whats happens when you take those warped, off the rack boards, glue them together and then take them out of the clamps. Will the stress from the twisted boards eventually rip it apart? By the way, as awesome as they are, you have pretty much made them cost prohibitive to all but they most wealthy woodshop owner. I realize you have to make back the research investment but you will sell more quantity by bringing down the price.
As mentioned in the video that we were just showing how our Clampzilla could do and how strong they are. Normally you would Mill for boards for you projects this was just show how much pressure the clamps can give your boards for a glue up.
@@WoodpeckersLLC The video should be more clear, I came here to see if anyone else was posting about this. I was hoping we would get to see it after glue-up, too.
I ordered the 4 pack of 38" clamps. After I placed my order, I called Woodpeckers to see if the 38"extension rails could be replaced (swapped) with the 50" rails. I was told that only the 38" system is sold with the package and clamp mechanisms. So, I will have to invest another $240 to gain the additional clamping width on my four clamps. The 50" rails were only made an option after the "One Time Tool" sale was published.The 50" option would give me a lot more versatility for large table tops. I have purchased a number of Woodpecker products and feel the option of either 38" or 50" rails certainly should be available to their customers for a smaller additional price. Note: I was also informed that the 50" rails have a larger cross section measurement as this additional strength is required to achieve flatness on a large width. I would appreciate if Woodpeckers would include more information related to dimensions in their advertising. I must admit, their technical support has been very knowledgeable and helpful in answering any of my questions.
I don’t think many of us would dispute that your company makes some fantastic products. I myself have made several purchases. It’s also a huge plus to me personally that your products are made here in the U.S.. With that said, I more often than not don’t purchase your products. A fair number of us have probably been working wood for a long time. Most of us weren’t born yesterday. I really am not trying to be insulting when I say that the majority of your products are just WAY overpriced. Not a little overpriced and one is left saying, “Yeah, it’s s little out there, but I’m willing to spend the extra because it’s a really well made product and I’m supporting an American company”. The products for the most part are becoming what I call insulting overpriced. Now before anyone gets all pissed off and tells me I can go buy something, somewhere else, I mentioned above that I increasingly do just that. I like supporting American companies but I also believe in a fair profit for a fair product. Either the profit built into some of the products from Woodpeckers is outrageously high or the company isn’t doing a good job of effectively managing R&D, design or production. There is no way in the world that a 4-way clamp is work $130+. I have 4-way clamps that I’ve had for over 25 years and they still work very well and I can promise you I didn’t pay $100 for the four of them all together. Yeah, they’re 25 years old but the rate of inflation isn’t THAT high. I’m a woodworking who buys quality products. Just placed an order today for $922 with Lee Valley and ~$1,200 with Lie-Nielsen. I’m not bragging and I’m not trying to be an ass; I’m just saying if your company would charge a fair price for a fair product, I’d buy from you far more often. I can’t possibly imagine that you wouldn’t actually make more profit in the long run. If you sell 100 items for a $10 profit as opposed to 10 of the same item at a $50 profit, you’d double your profit. I’m sure you’re not only aware of,that but have your reasons for the extreme overpricing of your products. It’s just unfortunate and I personally believe that this type of marketing by American companies is what has contributed to so many consumers purchasing products produced overseas. Personally I’m fortunate to make a pretty good living and it’s not a matter of not being able to afford more of your wonderful tools; I just can’t justify the cost. Again I’ll emphasize that I’m in no way slandering your company. You make incredible tools.
I've wanted some of their products for years, and i see them on the walls of $100 an hour wood workers, but then, they all have festools. What you said Bob. I'll keep looking, and watching, but i may well just have to build some of these my self. I mean, that's what we do, isn't it?
Well, I’ve looked at the Damstom clamps over the years and could never pull the trigger. Wasn’t convinced they would satisfy my. These look better, albeit pricey, especially when I’d really like to be able to do at least two glue ups simultaneously. Hmmm...
The product page doesn't give a length dimension - I can guess at the bench width, but would like to know the maximum width panel that you can effectively clamp up with this system. Thanks
@@sallyfudd1 From the looks of things, all you need to do is insert an appropriately sized spacer to both edges of your stock. In fact, it appears the clamps could also be used for adding edging to panels.
Without jointing the edges 1st, and if you force-"bring" the edges together, doesn't the stress from the wood later cause separation or other problems the wood expands and contracts?
I believe the intent of their demonstration was to show you a 'worst case scenario' and to show off the power of the clamps. I'm very confident they understand that you wouldn't do a glue up on the boards from the demonstration. But if they can handle that large of a variance, they could easily handle minor variances.
i totally agree...thats what i was waiting for. im not against spending +$110 per clamp, but if you want to sell me on it i need to see the finished product. if it ends up all wonky i'll just go get a pile of Pittsburgh clamps from Harbor Freight! lol
When anyone orders and they us PayPal then the sale is completed on the day of order but if using a credit card then your card is not charged until the tool is ready to ship out.
@@WoodpeckersLLC Why so long? Just asking as I have just started to get into woodworking with my son and have been looking for tools and whatnot to help us along our way.
Look closely. If you are a woodworker you will see that this particular design of the concept would not be difficult to duplicate. Square tubing, even drilled out stuff is available and drop nose pins and some garden variety flat bar and some cross dowels. The 'H's out of hardwood or ply and treaded rod with 'T' nut and lock nut diy disk handles. Plenty of other diy wood designs of the 4 way concept here on YT, Google/Bing Images. As metal work goes this design is basic off the shelf raw product and is a simple hacksaw cut and bolt together project. Machine shop accuracy , these aren't, is not required. Have some playing card shims and low riser blocks around for custom clamping. Saturday afternoon tool build "I've been saving those sticks for.....". Hit and miss wife diplomacy. You are on your own.
Cost is high, this is a one time tool - can’t get more later?, does not address glue squeeze out on to the clamps. Festool Dominos keep glue ups level and flat when used with most clamps. Woodpeckers is a great company but wood clamps cannot be a one time tool. I also see glue squeezing out all over the clamps. Festool is also expensive but has many uses beyond edge glue ups.
The coating on these clamps makes for easy clean up. Dried glue can peal right or wipe off excess clean. This is how our OneTime tool promotions work and if there is a strong enough demand we rerun OneTime tools or even promote them to permanent product.
It's easy to complain about the price of these based on the competition but taking a close look at the quality of parts used for each clamp, $129 for an individual clamp seems like a bargain for something like this.... made in the USA.
@@MrBonners You have responded to quite a few people with the same or similar response...something personal between you and Woodpecker because I guarantee people got your point...MULTIPLE TIMES?
@@steinbierz responding to specific 'woodworkers' whine about the price, they are in need of a good head-shake. Woodpecker has excellent product, many $$$$$ for many items that can be built from off-the-shelf materials for $. Woodworking, not trying to split the atom accuracy. A woodworker would know of these nut and bolt and wood block materials and like for all creative type people half the fun is building the jigs and fixtures to make the project, with just as accurate results as Woodpecker and the like tooling will produce. And it puts the scrap bin stuff to use. TV shows and tool collectors that build very simple projects with $2000 table and band saws buy such things. They have to or they can't do anything. I prefer to spend my money on nice woods and quality mark-out tools. Woodpecker will survive quite well based on the lack of 'like DUH!' make it your self capability displayed here. See side panel of diy build videos. Another 'like DUH!' moment. Year old post. What's it to you?
There are a couple tools, in spite of the horrific pricing, I would buy but are One time tools. What a stupid business model. How many sales does this company miss by thinking everybody who wants one will have heard about it in the ott window. Get real.
I love innovative American quality made tools and Woodpeckers products meet that standard but so expensive as to put them out of reach for most of us.
Make them, basic hardware materials, plenty of design executions of the geometric concept here on YT and google/big images.
MrBonners - You do have a point. :)
Another grand slam!!!! Hope to see these as regular tools for long :-)
for the love of god bring these back already
The monstrous clamping pressure is indeed great -- performed beautifully to produce seamless joints on a 48" wide, 2" thick hardwood table I recently built. Problem is, that amount of clamping pressure exceeds the material strength of the metal centering device and even the acme screws used in the clamp. All of the cast iron pads on my clamps are now cupped, and the acme screws on two of the clamps are bent such that I can't fully unthread them. The clamps are still usable for now, but I'm worried about continued deformation of the hardware going forward. I'm surprised they did not catch this during product testing and adjust accordingly. Furthermore, the hole pattern on the 50" extended bars are not mirrored (which I don't think they mention in the manual) -- as long as you're paying attention this is not a problem, but the first time I used them I got a surprise when I tried to tighten them up and realized I had to reverse one of the bars so that they both lined up. I also think there is too much space between the holes on the 50" extensions. I have found that on maybe one out of every three glue ups I have had to insert spacers between the pads and the stock to reach the material. When you are using these clamps alone they are fairly easy to set up, but if you use in combination with other clamps, where the stock is not resting directly on the Clampzilla bars (but rather is elevated above it by the higher plane of the other clamps), they are a freaking nightmare to engage -- to the point where it is better done as a two man job so as not to overrun the open time of your adhesive. The clamps are also a PITA to store with all the hardware attached unless you have ample space, as opposed to many of us who use the leftover tight spaces in the shop for clamp storage -- so I have to disassemble them whenever they are not in use, and spend about 15 minutes reassembling them when I use them again.
simple concept, build from common off the shelf parts and scrap bin. woodworking clamping, not trying to crush cars here.
Now this is a solution that makes sense both economically and practically. Looks like they engineered all the right things into them, especially the front and back pads...really GENIUS. I have both the KRDR from Slovenia and the Frontline clamps and both are ok but nothing like whats being shown here and both of those are FAR more expensive . I will be ordering!!!!!
Thank you!!🔴👍
Love these clamps. Wish I had Woodpecker tool money thou.🤔
Make them, basic hardware materials, plenty of design executions of the geometric concept here on YT and google/big images.
Yea they look good but at that crazy cost I will stick with the 4 way clamps I have thank you.
So now here is a question. I love the idea of not having to mill everything when putting together a top. But, whats happens when you take those warped, off the rack boards, glue them together and then take them out of the clamps. Will the stress from the twisted boards eventually rip it apart? By the way, as awesome as they are, you have pretty much made them cost prohibitive to all but they most wealthy woodshop owner. I realize you have to make back the research investment but you will sell more quantity by bringing down the price.
Very fair price
As mentioned in the video that we were just showing how our Clampzilla could do and how strong they are. Normally you would Mill for boards for you projects this was just show how much pressure the clamps can give your boards for a glue up.
@@WoodpeckersLLC The video should be more clear, I came here to see if anyone else was posting about this. I was hoping we would get to see it after glue-up, too.
I ordered the 4 pack of 38" clamps. After I placed my order, I called Woodpeckers to see if the 38"extension rails could be replaced (swapped) with the 50" rails. I was told that only the 38" system is sold with the package and clamp mechanisms. So, I will have to invest another $240 to gain the additional clamping width on my four clamps. The 50" rails were only made an option after the "One Time Tool" sale was published.The 50" option would give me a lot more versatility for large table tops. I have purchased a number of Woodpecker products and feel the option of either 38" or 50" rails certainly should be available to their customers for a smaller additional price. Note: I was also informed that the 50" rails have a larger cross section measurement as this additional strength is required to achieve flatness on a large width. I would appreciate if Woodpeckers would include more information related to dimensions in their advertising. I must admit, their technical support has been very knowledgeable and helpful in answering any of my questions.
I don’t think many of us would dispute that your company makes some fantastic products. I myself have made several purchases. It’s also a huge plus to me personally that your products are made here in the U.S.. With that said, I more often than not don’t purchase your products. A fair number of us have probably been working wood for a long time. Most of us weren’t born yesterday. I really am not trying to be insulting when I say that the majority of your products are just WAY overpriced. Not a little overpriced and one is left saying, “Yeah, it’s s little out there, but I’m willing to spend the extra because it’s a really well made product and I’m supporting an American company”. The products for the most part are becoming what I call insulting overpriced. Now before anyone gets all pissed off and tells me I can go buy something, somewhere else, I mentioned above that I increasingly do just that. I like supporting American companies but I also believe in a fair profit for a fair product. Either the profit built into some of the products from Woodpeckers is outrageously high or the company isn’t doing a good job of effectively managing R&D, design or production. There is no way in the world that a 4-way clamp is work $130+. I have 4-way clamps that I’ve had for over 25 years and they still work very well and I can promise you I didn’t pay $100 for the four of them all together. Yeah, they’re 25 years old but the rate of inflation isn’t THAT high. I’m a woodworking who buys quality products. Just placed an order today for $922 with Lee Valley and ~$1,200 with Lie-Nielsen. I’m not bragging and I’m not trying to be an ass; I’m just saying if your company would charge a fair price for a fair product, I’d buy from you far more often. I can’t possibly imagine that you wouldn’t actually make more profit in the long run. If you sell 100 items for a $10 profit as opposed to 10 of the same item at a $50 profit, you’d double your profit. I’m sure you’re not only aware of,that but have your reasons for the extreme overpricing of your products. It’s just unfortunate and I personally believe that this type of marketing by American companies is what has contributed to so many consumers purchasing products produced overseas. Personally I’m fortunate to make a pretty good living and it’s not a matter of not being able to afford more of your wonderful tools; I just can’t justify the cost. Again I’ll emphasize that I’m in no way slandering your company. You make incredible tools.
I've wanted some of their products for years, and i see them on the walls of $100 an hour wood workers, but then, they all have festools. What you said Bob. I'll keep looking, and watching, but i may well just have to build some of these my self. I mean, that's what we do, isn't it?
dean jordan It is exactly what we do. Very good point.
I have the old Shopsmith clamps which work similarly but I don't think they generate that kind of pressure. Might be time to upgrade.
You will sell a few of these, that is for sure!
No mention of how the power coated steel bars handle dried glue from squeeze out.
The powder coated clamps stands up to glue and very easy clean up.
Perfect for making my American Flags but damnnnn $$$$$ 🤣
just do a search for 4 way clamps, those cost 10x what I paid for mine
Well, I’ve looked at the Damstom clamps over the years and could never pull the trigger. Wasn’t convinced they would satisfy my. These look better, albeit pricey, especially when I’d really like to be able to do at least two glue ups simultaneously. Hmmm...
At that price i can buy large bessey krev's which are more versatile in other glue-ups too and still have some change left.
Make them, basic hardware materials, plenty of design executions of the geometric concept here on YT and google/big images.
I know you guys got a few in the shop. Can I get a set of Jr's and the larger ones that do up to 4"
A great clamp, but the pricing screams for some economy of scale.
The product page doesn't give a length dimension - I can guess at the bench width, but would like to know the maximum width panel that you can effectively clamp up with this system. Thanks
Max width is 38" - we are updating our site with this info. Thanks for your comment.
@@WoodpeckersLLC What is the minimum width you can clamp with these?
@@sallyfudd1 From the looks of things, all you need to do is insert an appropriately sized spacer to both edges of your stock. In fact, it appears the clamps could also be used for adding edging to panels.
Woodpeckers i7bh
@@gvhiii What is: "i7bh"?
Yeah. But how good could they be at only $200 per copy?
Super nice
Why was this tool retired? I need it!!
Old version of the video. It's a permanent product now. www.woodpeck.com/clampzilla-3.html
I would love to have a set of these
They sure are nice but expensive. Maybe someday I will find a set at a garage sale.
Make them, basic hardware materials, plenty of design executions of the geometric concept here on YT and google/big images.
Like any American tool, rocket expensive. Thats why I have many W-new tools. Long wait but worth.
Como trazer um destes para o brazil?
Why do the boards look milled when demonstrating.....
E possivel enviar para o Brasil ?
Would love to get these.
Without jointing the edges 1st, and if you force-"bring" the edges together, doesn't the stress from the wood later cause separation or other problems the wood expands and contracts?
I believe the intent of their demonstration was to show you a 'worst case scenario' and to show off the power of the clamps. I'm very confident they understand that you wouldn't do a glue up on the boards from the demonstration. But if they can handle that large of a variance, they could easily handle minor variances.
I do understand what you mean.
Yup. Pretty sure He Was simply demonstrating clamping power.
dont understand the one time tool angle.Looks like a great product but one the price is way too high and two - who wants to wait four months?
do they still make these clamps
Yes. They're a permanent product now. Use this link instead of the one on the description. www.woodpeck.com/clampzilla-3.html
This video didn't show the after from the worked wood or the setup
i totally agree...thats what i was waiting for. im not against spending +$110 per clamp, but if you want to sell me on it i need to see the finished product. if it ends up all wonky i'll just go get a pile of Pittsburgh clamps from Harbor Freight! lol
As he said at the beginning of the video, woodworkers would joint and true the stock before clamping, but for demonstration purposes he did nothing
It's may pay today and we will ship it ultimo September...
When anyone orders and they us PayPal then the sale is completed on the day of order but if using a credit card then your card is not charged until the tool is ready to ship out.
Отличные ваймы!
What’s the thickest stock you glue up with these please
Go to Woodpecker web site. Google it. ..........Like DUH!
Any chance these are coming back?
They probably will in the future but probably not for 12-18 months.
@@WoodpeckersLLC Why so long?
Just asking as I have just started to get into woodworking with my son and have been looking for tools and whatnot to help us along our way.
Look closely. If you are a woodworker you will see that this particular design of the concept would not be difficult to duplicate. Square tubing, even drilled out stuff is available and drop nose pins and some garden variety flat bar and some cross dowels. The 'H's out of hardwood or ply and treaded rod with 'T' nut and lock nut diy disk handles. Plenty of other diy wood designs of the 4 way concept here on YT, Google/Bing Images. As metal work goes this design is basic off the shelf raw product and is a simple hacksaw cut and bolt together project. Machine shop accuracy , these aren't, is not required. Have some playing card shims and low riser blocks around for custom clamping. Saturday afternoon tool build "I've been saving those sticks for.....". Hit and miss wife diplomacy. You are on your own.
They appear to be 32"or 36" max width.
Max Width is 38"
@@WoodpeckersLLC "If all else fails, read the instructions." (And the specifications.)
And only $110 each, IF you buy four!
All was good until the cheap mascot came along. I usually don't associate high quality equipment with cheap tricks + gimmicky sales pitch.
Cost is high, this is a one time tool - can’t get more later?, does not address glue squeeze out on to the clamps. Festool Dominos keep glue ups level and flat when used with most clamps. Woodpeckers is a great company but wood clamps cannot be a one time tool. I also see glue squeezing out all over the clamps. Festool is also expensive but has many uses beyond edge glue ups.
The coating on these clamps makes for easy clean up. Dried glue can peal right or wipe off excess clean. This is how our OneTime tool promotions work and if there is a strong enough demand we rerun OneTime tools or even promote them to permanent product.
Nah nope, I ain't a money pope.
Make them, basic hardware materials, plenty of design executions of the geometric concept here on YT and google/big images.
MrBonners good god man you are annoying!
$200 each?
where did you see that?
@@daveklein2826 The ? indicates I was asking the price. 👍
@@willford8475 Here is the link to the website and pricing
www.woodpeck.com/ott-clampzilla-4-way-panel-clamp-2019.html
$110 each, IF you buy four. Otherwise $130.
It's easy to complain about the price of these based on the competition but taking a close look at the quality of parts used for each clamp, $129 for an individual clamp seems like a bargain for something like this.... made in the USA.
Make them, basic hardware materials, plenty of design executions of the geometric concept here on YT and google/bing images. Your money.
@@MrBonners You have responded to quite a few people with the same or similar response...something personal between you and Woodpecker because I guarantee people got your point...MULTIPLE TIMES?
@@steinbierz responding to specific 'woodworkers' whine about the price, they are in need of a good head-shake. Woodpecker has excellent product, many $$$$$ for many items that can be built from off-the-shelf materials for $. Woodworking, not trying to split the atom accuracy. A woodworker would know of these nut and bolt and wood block materials and like for all creative type people half the fun is building the jigs and fixtures to make the project, with just as accurate results as Woodpecker and the like tooling will produce. And it puts the scrap bin stuff to use. TV shows and tool collectors that build very simple projects with $2000 table and band saws buy such things. They have to or they can't do anything.
I prefer to spend my money on nice woods and quality mark-out tools. Woodpecker will survive quite well based on the lack of 'like DUH!' make it your self capability displayed here. See side panel of diy build videos. Another 'like DUH!' moment.
Year old post. What's it to you?
There are a couple tools, in spite of the horrific pricing, I would buy but are One time tools. What a stupid business model. How many sales does this company miss by thinking everybody who wants one will have heard about it in the ott window. Get real.