Thanks for video. Actually, the idea isn't new: classical guitarists are use similar support for guitar, which replace standard foot-stool. But this concept compilate some thoughts from the violins neck-rest. That's great opportunity for new ways of double bass technique!
Not to spoil the party: I had one an gave it away. And not because it does not work. It does exact as promised. Specially after I turned one of the clamps around and could get it about 2 cm from the back. After I found a better posture(took me a few years and still with both feet on the floor) I did not need it anymore. No pain in my knee, no damping.
Hello @@eltonlmachado , Well I read and watch all I could find about it (like the video from Fitzgerald). And concluded, that best for me would be to: - play with both feet on the floor (sitting or standing) so I am grounded well. When sitting the combination of the two sitting bones + my feet must make a square strong but flexibel structure. - Stand/sit in a way I can move around, like a balletdancer (sort of ;-( Meaning that my left hand can move from the low C# on the extension, smoothly to the highest harmonics like the top ones on the g-string, while at the same time go with right arm after a downstroke to the bottom/right for the C# (a bit turning the bass to the left with my legs, to not touch the A-string or my right leg with the bow) and upstroke starting at the tip (perpendicular on the G-string. close to the bridge). Well lets use German bowhold for this to make it more hard That is the kind of movement I want to be possible. - This means I have to be able to move arms (and legs a bit); turn left/right in my spine. While meanwhile my feet are relaxed on the floor (With this knowledge I made pictures of myself sitting and imagined how a double bass would fit best. And tried all I could think of. (I did have a couple bars of impossible (not so musical) notes to test. And ended up, with a chair with an height of 72 cm (I am 184cm). Legs spreaded, feet on floor (always). And place my supercello between my legs. And had to lower the endpin to about 2-3 cm. The bass is turned to the right (makes is less wide). For string crossing between G and E string I have to turn the bass a bit. The bass lays more flat. I would not know the angle, but guess it is close to 45 degrees. The weight is 3/4 on my right leg (side of the bass). The left leg/knee supports the left bottomside (about 5 cm from outside) Long story (I mostly do, to freshen-up my choices and considerations).
I'd love to hear a similar test, but in a concert hall. The test being, measure the sound pressure level with the following test conditions: 1. bass with rubber endpin stopper attached, 2. bass using rockstop/cello strap, 3. bass with sharp endpin right into the wood floor. Just a theory, but I think we collectively give up a lot of sound when using rubber stoppers, etc. And wow--you can really hear the difference between your 3 test conditions!
My hall has done shootout for various mics/speaker arrays. It’d be significant to document the effects of coupling/decoupling an instrument from the stage. Even if the improvement is 2db-multiply that by 5 basses-a 10db increase is literally twice as loud.
I've been using a Play-on-Air inflatable viola shoulder rest mounted across the back of my rather wide flat back. Works well and seems to be a viable alternative. That said, I still use a folding foot rest for my left foot and it should be said I keep my stool on the higher side, at around 33" for the front (the rear legs are set one step higher than the front legs).
Thanks for sharing this. I wish you would have shown where the device touches your body on the video. Maybe you did, but it wasn't clear to me. Guess I'll have to demo it in the shop.
I am a professional cello player and I want to learn the bass. I got a (rental) bass about two weeks ago but was really stupid and started playing like an hour a day right off the bat and hurt my back. I just felt so in love because it's so fun and it's just amazing. How exactly does this contraption help? Are you available for virtual lessons? I would really like to play the bass and need more guidance and you clearly have a ton of knowledge.
It looks to me similar to violinists' shoulder rest. I tried playing the violin for a while, but NEEDED that shoulder rest. So, if you sit to play bass, this is going to be the perfect tool. However, I'm not a clasical player, so I stand whilst playing.
I was interested in the product, so I compared your RUclips address link and Petru Luga's RUclips address link. They both say ergoplay, but the content is different and the price is different, so I'm curious why they are different.
I have one of these. It’s really nice to be able to have both feet on the same plane. Feels very grounded.
Totally agree!
Thanks for video. Actually, the idea isn't new: classical guitarists are use similar support for guitar, which replace standard foot-stool. But this concept compilate some thoughts from the violins neck-rest. That's great opportunity for new ways of double bass technique!
Good point!
Have tried it. Liked it. Haven’t bought yet but definitely will ❤
LOVE MINE. Have had it for about 5 years
Nice!
Not to spoil the party: I had one an gave it away. And not because it does not work. It does exact as promised. Specially after I turned one of the clamps around and could get it about 2 cm from the back.
After I found a better posture(took me a few years and still with both feet on the floor) I did not need it anymore. No pain in my knee, no damping.
What did you do for a better posture?
Hello @@eltonlmachado , Well I read and watch all I could find about it (like the video from Fitzgerald). And concluded, that best for me would be to:
- play with both feet on the floor (sitting or standing) so I am grounded well. When sitting the combination of the two sitting bones + my feet must make a square strong but flexibel structure.
- Stand/sit in a way I can move around, like a balletdancer (sort of ;-( Meaning that my left hand can move from the low C# on the extension, smoothly to the highest harmonics like the top ones on the g-string, while at the same time go with right arm after a downstroke to the bottom/right for the C# (a bit turning the bass to the left with my legs, to not touch the A-string or my right leg with the bow) and upstroke starting at the tip (perpendicular on the G-string. close to the bridge). Well lets use German bowhold for this to make it more hard
That is the kind of movement I want to be possible.
- This means I have to be able to move arms (and legs a bit); turn left/right in my spine. While meanwhile my feet are relaxed on the floor (With this knowledge I made pictures of myself sitting and imagined how a double bass would fit best. And tried all I could think of. (I did have a couple bars of impossible (not so musical) notes to test.
And ended up, with a chair with an height of 72 cm (I am 184cm). Legs spreaded, feet on floor (always). And place my supercello between my legs. And had to lower the endpin to about 2-3 cm.
The bass is turned to the right (makes is less wide). For string crossing between G and E string I have to turn the bass a bit.
The bass lays more flat. I would not know the angle, but guess it is close to 45 degrees. The weight is 3/4 on my right leg (side of the bass). The left leg/knee supports the left bottomside (about 5 cm from outside) Long story (I mostly do, to freshen-up my choices and considerations).
I'd love to hear a similar test, but in a concert hall. The test being, measure the sound pressure level with the following test conditions: 1. bass with rubber endpin stopper attached, 2. bass using rockstop/cello strap, 3. bass with sharp endpin right into the wood floor. Just a theory, but I think we collectively give up a lot of sound when using rubber stoppers, etc. And wow--you can really hear the difference between your 3 test conditions!
Great suggestion!
My hall has done shootout for various mics/speaker arrays. It’d be significant to document the effects of coupling/decoupling an instrument from the stage. Even if the improvement is 2db-multiply that by 5 basses-a 10db increase is literally twice as loud.
I've been using a Play-on-Air inflatable viola shoulder rest mounted across the back of my rather wide flat back. Works well and seems to be a viable alternative. That said, I still use a folding foot rest for my left foot and it should be said I keep my stool on the higher side, at around 33" for the front (the rear legs are set one step higher than the front legs).
Nice!
Thanks for sharing this. I wish you would have shown where the device touches your body on the video. Maybe you did, but it wasn't clear to me. Guess I'll have to demo it in the shop.
I am a professional cello player and I want to learn the bass. I got a (rental) bass about two weeks ago but was really stupid and started playing like an hour a day right off the bat and hurt my back. I just felt so in love because it's so fun and it's just amazing. How exactly does this contraption help? Are you available for virtual lessons? I would really like to play the bass and need more guidance and you clearly have a ton of knowledge.
Nice! I'm not teaching these days, but feel free to send me an email at doublebassblog@mac.com and I'll pass along some teacher suggestions.
It looks to me similar to violinists' shoulder rest. I tried playing the violin for a while, but NEEDED that shoulder rest. So, if you sit to play bass, this is going to be the perfect tool. However, I'm not a clasical player, so I stand whilst playing.
It’s a cool product for sure!
Thanks
No problem!
Looks good, but to expensive for latinoamerica, $250
Interesting!
Very!
You don't show where it sits on the back,..or from the back, I would like to see it how it actually work from the sides and back.
Who knew bass needed a giant shoulder rest?
I've just bought one. Does it matter which way round (left to right / right to left) the ergobass is attached to a double bass?
Nice! I've attached it left to right, which is comfortable for me, but it might work the other way also.
I have it with the slider (that has the ergobass sign) to my right.
I was interested in the product, so I compared your RUclips address link and Petru Luga's RUclips address link. They both say ergoplay, but the content is different and the price is different, so I'm curious why they are different.
Interesting. It does look like the German link is a different price. Maybe try reaching out to them to ask?
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I suppose that I may be lucky, but I've never suffered from any discomfort, sitting or standing.
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