The Best Leica Camera for Beginners!
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Not a week goes by without an aspirin photographer asking me what camera they should buy. Also quite often they specify it being a Leica camera. This is my answer.
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As a former MPB employee and photographer.... i can absolutely only recommend MPB... almost everyone working there is either a photographer, was a photographer or loves cameras... i think MPBs biggest customer is the employees... i remember every month on payday half of the Berlin office would spend a big chunk on stuff in the warehouse.... We once got GRII in... and we literally had to lottery it off because so many people wanted it.... i personally almost went crazy when a influencer had a Fuji X70 on loan and it was the only one we had and none came in and he took forever to give it back because i wanted it so bad
I was so ready for the video to end in the beginning. I’ve missed your videos so much. Love this one.
Wow. The logic and thought process is beautiful to witness.
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Don’t over think it. Just stay in your comfort zone.
The real beauty is that everyone is different.
I like to fit into my neighborhood. Right in the center. Friends on both sides. ツ
"buy the cool one" is very good advice for most ordinary photography applications. I love my epl-7, but it's because it's the coolest camera I can afford. I'd much prefer an x-pro 3, even though my bigger olympus pro camera does so much more. It's just not as cool :)
Epl-7 is a lot of camera for the bucks.
Epl-7 + 75mm 1.8 my absolute fave out of 20 cameras if I can only keep one combo.
I've had both cameras and enjoy the Pen more given the size and usage. I
I can say for sure the em1 mark iii is a wicked good camera, but I don't use it as much as the epl-7 because it's that much less cool. I really hope OM system make something similar that has retro charm and a more modern sensor with a focus on photography over videography. Fuji and leica have proved there is a market for this, although I think the pen f basically failed at the time. Perhaps everyone was too worried about "full frame" and spec sheets, but that seems to be waning a little now.
I recently acquired an E-PL5 and would like to get a few lenses. Should I be looking for
mostly Olympus lenses or can Panasonic / LUMIX work just as well. Any drawbacks.?
Hi ! My daughter is 12 very much into photography- she loves street and really wants a camera that will give her tonnes of growing room. Something cool and special, that will last her a lifetime. What’s the best value camera I should be looking at second hand is what I want, with scuffs and bangs is ok!!!
Without a budget it’s very difficult.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter I would say around £600
@@timhoughton5174 Canon 5D with a 50mm f1.8 is a great start.
If she rather have something small you should be able to get a GX9 and a decent prime for that.
I walked into the Leica store for a Q2, walked out with an M11. TRY THE CAMERA BEFORE YOU BUY IT.
I must admit I like your thought process and the purity of the choice. However I was most delighted just to see the new video as I saw a little dog like yours at the weekend and I was wondering when your next inspirational video would be released
I'm a newish Leica owner, and the only one I've owned is the M8. I love it more than I even thought I would. Great recommendation!
Cool 👍
What do you use for your “normal” lens. I wish to find a 50mm myself.
I feel more comfortable on the street to stand back a little. Observe. Maybe shy. 🤷🏻♀️
@@Koji-888 I have a Voigtländer 40mm f1.4 Nokton Classic. It works out to be about 53mm on the aps-h sensor. It's been great! I would be interested to try the Voigtländer 35mm ASPH, but it's a bit more expensive. I'm sure it's another great if even better option!
@@Koji-888 The Zeiss 50mm f2 Planar has very nice detail and lots of soul. Underrated in the shadow of the Sonnar.
wanted to get convinced I shouldn’t by an M8, that sadly failed 😂
Go for it 📷
I just bought my first Leica --- a mint condition IIIf from the mid 50s. Just because it's got the cool classic look and my first rangefinder. But I got my first SLR almost 41 yrs ago so along the way I've tried almost everything including Rollei TLR and my own darkroom. So a classic Barnack Leica had to be part of my collection. Eventually.
Cool 👍
Leica x1 is seriously not spoken enough, yes the focusing is not fast. which somehow I reckon makes it great for beginners. take it slow my friend. And enjoy the shooting. And if you never owned a digital camera, it is not that slow hahaha.
So glad I got my M8 a few months before this video $$$. My first Leica. Love it.
Awesome 👏
My first Leica M was the M8, but I didn't get familiar with it. So I sold with a small profit and bought almost new M240. I've a MP240 too.
I've been taking photographs for 48 years, starting with my father's old Asahi Pentax Spotmatic. And I'm still looking for my beginner Leica. I'm going to need a lot more extra paper routes... 😂
The M8 was my first Leica 😊
Thanks👍! I think the best Leica for a beginner is Lumix GM1 (GM5) + PanaLeica 15mm (25mm). These are great kits😊.
didn't watch but I thought it's going to be a fuji something
M43 is just soooo damn underrated... because everyone gets shoved down the idea that you need a millimeter deep depth of field... a nice Olympus Pen or Pana GM(GX) is such a freaking joy to use and so cheap.... though i would probably not put a 15mm lens on there but a nice 12-45mm f4... cheap... light... sharp... versatile... just a great lens doesn't have Leica written on it... but to no suprise... after like 70 years of making lenses Olympus makes some pretty damn good lenses too
@@verzivull Fujifilm hasn't made a rangefinder since their medium format film days... the X-Pro and X100 cameras are not rangefinder... the Optical Viewfinder is just a window with frame lines
I have the GX9 with 25mm f1.4 and 12-60mm f2.8-4.0 Pana Leica lenses which are excellent options. Would love to get my hands on a GM1 though.
Love my Pentax Q & 7
1:30 Where are the Leica I/II/III ??
For sure they are not the easiest to handle for a beginner but as far as getting access to the Leica build quality for a cheap price (for the common models like a IIIc) they are hard to beat. They really are some marvel of build construction and mechanisms, just holding them and using the controls is an experience worth it. And for sure their limitations and difficulties to use doesn't make them the most obvious choice for a beginner but it's a good way to take the time to think about the pictures you take and focus on what/why/how.
it's been like 20 years since i used one... but back then it was almost impossible to find one where the shutter speeds were anywhere close to what they're supposed to be... but they're literally build like a tank and you can definitely kill someone if you throw a iiic at them
I just bought a Leica iiif and have been having so much fun shooting with it. It does force you to think about the shot and what you’re doing with it. I find myself using it more than my digital camera
stop pushing the m8 ; ) I was looking for it the other day....
I hope you find one 👍
I dont see any m8 for $1000, all i see are $2000ish. Did i see this video too late? Only 3 months after this video published.
It’s been $1000 for ten years. And still the is.
Patina + Black Leica camera is so sexy!
My first one was a Leica M2.
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I think best Leica for beginner is the lx100ii or d-lux 7. Just think of it as kitlens vario (FF f3.5-5.6 or APSC f2.5-4)
My first leica is the leica SL type 601 with a voigtlander 35mm 1.5 lens. Beautiful combo , its very easy to nail focus with focus peeking or using the little joystick to zoom in and out.
Yep my first Leica was the SL paired with a wonderful Voigtlander 40mm f1.2… a killer combination
Couldn’t agree more! Have a Type 601 with LLL 35mm. So happy!
Also absolutely wonderfull lens. Such pleasing rendering@@marcusoutdoors4999
It for sure is the most pretty camera ive ever had. Im thinking about keep saving up and maby upgrading to a leica M10 eventually but first im going to rent the M10 to see if i even enjoy the rangefinder focussing. @@mattmosminaj2515
I missed out on a good deal for a mint TL, prices have gone up like their some kind of Fuji 100 or something
Maybe for everyone searching for a Leica: it is rumoured that a new Leica Dlux will come Out this summer with a fixed Zoom Lens in a small body.
I almost bought a sl once. Is was about 1800 with lens used. Not in this economy. I love the lx 100.but the zoom button is acting weird. Me and dials seem to have a bad relationship even though I'm pretty gentle.
None of that "listen to the end" crap here. You give up the answer in the first 5 seconds and we still hang out for the ride.
Well, never used a Leica but what I can tell is that the M9 might have my favorite color science of all the cameras, that is to say if DXO Photolab camera body color profiles are accurate. Just yesterday processed all my recent a6000 raws with it with stunning results (same with all my other camera bodies). Stunning skin tones amazing blues and greens. I wonder if I would like to use a real Leica. Not long ago became friends with a guy from our church who works at the official Leica shop in our country, and used to have the first shop who imported in our country every kind of film emulation under the sun, knows everything about analog film industry and Leica cameras and small telescopes in general. We talked for hours. He also invited me to the shop, might accept the invitation in the near future :)
But when it comes to me owning a Leica I remember the words from the famous song from Camera Conspiracies ("All I Want is the Perfect Camera") ,,Leica! I'm trying to decide between an SL or a golden house with a lot of diamonds that I have to water with champagne...." :))))
Any film Leica is never a mistake. You won't lose money on it, by buying one and selling one. I bought a brand-new Leica MP in March 2020. It's worth now more used in 2024 than what I paid for new in 2020.
When the Leica M9 appeared, I first heard about the Leica brand. It was a dream, if a camera, then an M9. Then the m240 appeared, and yes, it was a new dream)) For some reason, I still dream about the m240. The M11 is cool, but something has gone out of from that good old image.
I was surprised you didn't pick a T series Lecia. The simple controls and big screen coming from the phone would have been great.
I suppose the follow up question would be: Do you just want a Leica that's easy to use, or do you want the full pro Leica learning curve experience?
Is the M8 the one with the sensor that goes bad?
No
Proud Aspirin here
I would agree with you, if it was for pure looks I’d also get the M8. However I had the Fuji X100 early models and rangefinder just isn’t my thing. So, keeping it affordable, I ‘d go for the TL2.
The x100 isn’t a rangefinder, but best to stay away, because once you try it, all other cameras start to feel “meh..”.
The best non review ever. I got an SL after years with XPro1 and XPro2 which I loved… however, the SL is the best made object I have ever owned and a superb camera
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Technically not a Leica but the cheapest option is a zorki or fed copy of the leica two for under 100$. But i would not recommend an expensive rangfinder for beginners anyways.
the Yashica, Minolta and Canonette Rangefinder out there are dirt cheap... and their lenses... super sharp... if i would get into analogue photography today and wanted a rangefinder i would get one of those
Great video Mattias. The only problem is that i might have to buy a M8 now, like you said in your video i can't stop wondering if I should have bought a rangefinder instead of my Q. Even though I love shooting with my Q.
If you change your mind it’s an easy sell.
Very entertaining video 🙂. And you almost got the recommendation right! I'd just go with the M-262 because it's an M-240 without video, and a bit cheaper. It's also full-frame so it's easier to get a decent wide angle for it, if you want to. But, really, best to start out on something digital that allows full manual everything, while seeing what you're doing in your viewfinder. If you don't have the basics down, an M is probably very frustrating.
M9 is also full frame and CCD :)
I agree with your logic. Simple and effective!
I’m definitely looking into the m8
Go for it 👍
@@gearreallydoesntmatter I wanna get into the leica system and the price for the m8 isn’t bad compared to other leicas. I don’t mind the 10mp since I own a Nikon d200 that is 10mp as well and takes good quality pictures even in 2024. I wanna get into the range finder system as well. I also heard the sensor on the m10 is great as well just needs a filter for the lens.
And you will always be able to get your money back, if not more, if you decide it wasn't for you.
5:12 this sentence is a slick one, nice 😂
Does leica m8 have mechanical shutter problem?
No.
At 3:05 which camera is that? Looks awesome!
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You released this video during this time that I was thinking to sell it, and damn you made me realize I was stupid to think of it. So I'm gonna be holding with it for awhile now. Thanks for reminding us during this tight budget times hehe
Definitely keep it 👍
Which leica would be good for someone wearing glasses to use with 28mm ?
X1 or T/TL2 are display only 😀
But honestly I dont know which models that can work well with glasses. I really should start testing cameras without my contacts.
Thats a great problem for me who hates contacts and for example with the leica m4-p i cant see the framelines
@@Streetphotog-dn1zy I sometimes shoot DSLRs and EOS R with glasses, but that is of course easier.
Just tried the Leica SL with my glasses, not too bad.
Was the M9 the one with corrosion problems?
Yes, but there are probably very few that didn't have the sensor replaced. Its easy to check in firmware before buying one. So not a problem in real life.
I guess the proof reader had the day off :) @5:17 "bellow"
That’s what happens when it’s not your native language.
Get instead the most underrated Leica cameras, the X (mother of the Leica Q) or the X-Vario (probably the best all round camera Leica has ever made with a lens that's absolutely to die for).
The X is great, but like I said, they will always wonder..
3:40 I bought Leica M without thinking for an advantage of range finder camera. The reason is same as you said M model is phenomenal.
May I ask you to share a 5 reason why rangefinder from your opinion?
P.S. You might already done it in previous videos but I miss it 😅
the biggest (maybe only) advantage of a rangefinder is that you can see beyond what the lens sees... that's the reason they're so popular among street photographers... you can see what walk into your frame before it is in your frame... you can prepare the shot without taking your eye off the rangefinder.... also you can shoot with both eyes open and see even more...
Some people prefer focusing with a rangefinder but i use my Leica almost exclusively with zone focusing so i barely even use the actual rangefinder of the rangefinder at all
Also atleast back before mirrorless took over... Rangefinder cameras had the advantage that they didn't need a mirror making them significantly smaller and lighter than SLR
I have done something similar but 5 Reasons for a rangefinder is on my to do list. I believe I already have a script for it.
@@LoFiAxolotl In this case I think I didn't use these advantage because I rarely take a street photo. Most of my use case is portrait and a glass of coffee 😅
@@Wutbeer0 not really any advantages i can think off for that... and other than focusing on something close being pretty hard on a rangefinder there's no disadvantages either i can think of
there's not many advantages/disadvantages... it's rather a different system of focusing that's all especially with mirrorless cameras like the RIcoh GR being tiny
@@LoFiAxolotl There are plenty of advantages.
M240 is the new M8
(my first was the M8 tho lol)
It is sadly going up again. But for a while it was a steal.
2nd still cool
Ok p Diddy 😂
Nice! I would go with M9, because, correct me if I'm wrong, it had full frame sensor, where M8 had aps-h? Still, can't afford any of those.
The best "Leica" for beginners, if we're talking 35mm film, is a Minolta CLE. Arguably it was better in most ways than the popular Leica models, uses m-mount, and has a great 40mm lens that's usually included with a lot of sales. If we're talking beginners in digital, some of the early TL bodies, I guess? I have 2 CL's that I love, but I got them when they were at the lowest value or at an estate sale as part of an entire table of "random items" being sold. I got both for around 850, the estate one was complete with box. I also have an M10-D that I would say is probably the only "true" Leicas if you use the weak argument of "less is more" and the "experience" is what you're paying for. The M10-D was also dirt cheap for me that I got from a friend with more money than sense that wanted the "analogue digital" experience before figuring out they didn't, buying an X-Pro3 (that I also ended up with that I sold for a Pen F special with the script F on it) and now settling on an X100VI after upgrading from the X100V that replaced the X-Pro3. I say "I guess?" for the TL's because unless you want to spend a fortune on Leica TL APS-C glass for a dead system, you'll probably be shooting mostly Sigma like me with m-mount adapted lenses being a solid option. I would just get a fp or fp L for m-mount personally if you don't want crop and still want a tiny package and good image quality.
Honestly, even for digital I would just buy an Olympus E-P5 or Lumix GX85/GX9, throw on a PanaLeica 15mm f1.7 or 25mm f1.4, and have a fun time taking photos. Use the saved small fortune to find interesting subjects/locations.
not a beginner, but shoooting M240 daily, and it's fantastic, 12 year old camera..
Apparently my comment was deleted for some reason but I just wanted to reply to the person who answered me and say that your points are all completely sound and I don't have much else to say! Thought my comment was fairly milquetoast!
buy the cool one really does work as good advice I originally brought my x100f because it look cool to me I didn't need it I had other good cameras [to many cameras] and that eventually led me to my x100vi and a couple of Ricoh's which may end up as one Ricoh but Leica oh I wish I dream:-)
Would you choose the pixxi over the leica 8. ?
It depends on your budget, usage and what type of photographer you are. IMO, very few should be in a position where they need to choose between the two.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter true. It was a question from an enthousiast with allready a great sony a7r, ricoh griii and x 😂.
That the camera that batman from the cristopher nolan's movies
I wanted a Leica, and ended up with an X-Pro 2 🤣
X-Pro 1. What lens would you get for the “3D Pop”. Auto focus. I’m old.
First!
You need a spanking as a reward. Probably likes it 😂
You need a medal 🥉
Digital = leica m8
Film = leica CL
I honestly think... no analogue leica is great for beginners... while i have learned photography from the basics of the camera to then taking pictures i don't think that's necessairy or the best way.... i think the most important thing... which i believe is composition should be focused on.... leaving a camera in full automatic is absolutely fine these days.... Leica for me are more about the "feeling" of shooting... i freaking love my M4.... but it's a camera i use because it's been in my family for 6 decades... it's a camera i use because it's fun to play around and experiment with... it absolutely can produce the most astonishing and amazing and professional pictures out there.... but for professional work i always use a Hassy or P1 and for test shoots i use a Pana S1R... while analogue cameras are in no way inferior to their digital counterpart and i would argue especially 6x6, 6x7 and 6x8 still offer HUGE benefits when it comes to resolution, depth of field etc.... having grown up with film it feels like analogue is just photography with extra steps.... now i enjoy those extra steps.... but it doesn't make my pictures any better or worse than with any other camera
Agree, though if it was me, I'd save a little more and get a full frame (M9/ME) as then the lens will do what it says on the tin. (50mm on M8 is 75mm eqv, so thats too long for a starter lens) Great vid by the way
If there is one thing that beginners should simply ignore imo, then it is the “equivalent” nonsense :)