Hi All! Great Clip! Just some quick comments if anybody out there remembers Elgin Airport and the Piper Dealer/Flight School in the late ‘60’s into the early ‘70’s… I was blessed to be able to work for Tufts-Edgecumbe as a “Lineboy” from 1971- 1973, my last years of High School at St. Edwards. I knew Mr. Edgecumbe, he was the President, a very kind man, a good friend of Mr. Piper and a good man to work for. He sponsored this video. Tufts-Edgecumbe, Mr. Tufts had passed away and I never knew him, was a Piper distributor and had a constant fleet of brand new airplanes, and for this 16 year old kid who was learning how to fly, it was way cool. I flew the -140 at first, then after I got my Private Pilot Certificate I got checked out in the -180 and the -235. I would take people for rides often at night over Chicago to show them the lights…. Yes, single engine, at night, over a big city! Not sure I would do that today! 35,000+ hours of Airline Flying has taught me to be somewhat more cautious, so I do it in my twin engine Seneca now! Over Cleveland not Chicago, but you get my drift! I soloed in N5516U, a 1969 PA-28-140, in September of 1971, she’s owned by a nice lady in Juneau WI, met her on an OSH trip a few years ago… Elgin Airport is closed now, has been since the mid ‘80’s, but it was a busy place! Big Flight School, probably 6 full time CFI’s, a few full time Charter Pilots, 2 Full Time Salesmen and a very busy Piper Service Center! We had Piper “FlightLiners”, the -140’s painted Red & White and had FL at the end of the N Number, N701FL is still flying out there, we had one of the first Pressurized Navajo’s, THAT was fun to start and taxi, it was like an Airliner to this 16 year old kid. We had one of the first Seneca’s in ‘72, we heard it was going to be “a Six with 2 engines”, it was, and is beautiful, and is so much more! At any one time we had maybe dozens of brand new Pipers on the field, all for sale, some being used for instruction and charter. A shout out to some names some of you may remember… - Art Fisher Chief Pilot and the DPE who gave me my PP Checkride in ‘72 - Terry Boyle, my immediate boss on the Line who became a CFI and went on to fly corporate. Terry treated me very well, Thank You Terry! - A whole host of excellent CFI’s who wore those Piper Blazers, sometimes bright red! Somehow they managed to stay cool in the hot Illinois summer! Donny Waterman, retired UAL, like myself, but he’s a bit older! Jim Shruing, Corwin Kipinhand, Paul Wertheimer, who solo’d me and Ora Thomas, all good guys! - Mr. Ed Bobin, who ran the Piper Mx Center, who took a chance on a 16 year old kid. Thank You Mr. Bobin! - The guys I worked with on the Line, Scotty Klopenstein, a prince of a guy who took me flying, Scott you taught me a lot! Unfortunately several years later Scott was the Captain on a Rocky Mountain Twin Otter that crashed in the Rockies, RIP Scotty… Randy Cabotoni, Thank You Randy, you were a good friend, Joey Messina, you made me laugh till I cried. Thank you guys! I lost touch with all when I went off to the Air Force…. Maybe somebodies out there still! Elgin was a great place, Mr. Piper built some great airplanes, as many of you have noted on here, still flying after 60+ years! My ‘81 Seneca is still in her prime! She just took me to Lock Haven PA, the birthplace of many of her siblings. She was born in Vero Beach. The Video, like someone mentioned, takes place at Skaneateles Aero Drome (6B9), just SE of Syracuse, not far from Lock Haven. It rings true of the ‘60’s! My Dad was a Private Pilot and flew everything from a -172 to the Big Six. The office looked like that, the Instructors dressed like that and NOBODY used headsets! Then! I didn’t! I wouldn’t be able to take the noise today without my Bose! The Air Force C-130 and then the 727 & 737 took some of my hearing, but I could not imagine how these guys gave 6-8 hours of dual a day!? But they did, they made it look easy and we’re great role models! It’s a great video, a glance back into the ‘60’s…. Kinda the way it was! Thanks for reading! Stay Safe! Fly Fun! George
oh how I wish the Real world was this perfect! Everyone so friendly and professional looking, and always Welcoming and available when you want to them to be available! And everything looked clean and new and not so busy!
If you are a Baby Boomer or of the Silent Generation still alive, this advertisement would not have seemed out of place at all at that time. It WAS better back then and for reasons that🤐🤐🤐
The quality of life was better a nickel candy bar was a lot bigger and the matinee was 35 . gas where I lived was 30 cents a gallon and you goat your tires fill with air and your windshield washed or the price of the gas. I was cheaper to buy a house and everyone that had a job could buy one . Mom was home when you got home from schools to give you a treat.
@@kennance115 There were qualities far more important than the nickle candy bar and cheap gas to uphold the claim that it was better back then. Those claims are sociological in nature and to bring them up would open up a Pandora's Box against the current narrative.
I grew up near Lock Haven, Pa. The home of Piper Aircraft. My Father worked at the facility since the early 1950's and retired in 1965 as a purchasing agent who helped resurrect the company from it's declining post-war problems. The Piper family and ours became pretty close over those years. This film brings back many fond memories. Thank you!
@@sonoranrain2330 You're welcome! I was quite young then so my "little kid" stories might be a little off. lol! Yes, we got to visit the entire facility in spurts tagging along with "Pop" on weekends, including the offices. They usually only worked production weekdays, and the test pilots tried to keep up alternating weekends. And maintenance on weekends too. And yes, of course we got to tag along with the pilots now and then for short rides. I also remember the truckloads of fresh engines coming from Lycoming just 20 minutes from their facilities in Williamsport, Pa. There was no "highway" back then bypassing the little town of Avis so they came right through our quaint little town. Sundays were always a treat. My Mother would toss us kids in the car, go to a small restaurant called "The Second Cup" near the airport where she would grab the Sunday paper, and some "lunch to go" for us. Then we would swing around "the back way" to the gate near the tower and watch the test pilots take off and land. It was a wonderful time to be alive for sure. The skies over Avis were always buzzing with Piper Aircraft and I got to watch a lot of "test" maneuvers, including the stall tests which kept your eyes glued to them. lol!
@@JeffCounsil-rp4qv Thank you so much for sharing. Wow.... seeing truckloads of Lycoming engines passing through your town......going up for a flight with a test pilot.....You've enough incredible memories to keep and enjoy for several lifetimes! I can only begin to imagine......I would be down at the flightline every single day !! I had a friend years ago whose husband worked at the Bombardier facility in Tucson. She arranged a tour for me that I'll never forget! Thanks for sharing!
Pennsylvania is such a beautiful state and with so much history too. I was from Utah and my folks took us there to visit his old army friends. I think we like the heresy bar plant more than Disneyland.
C'mon, give the salesman a break. If he had said 500 it would have been more likely. But the kids lived 600 miles away, and he needs to sell them a plane. Maybe 2....
My dad bought a brand new Piper Arrow in 1968. I was born in December of 1967. He bought a car seat for the Piper but we didn't have one for the car. I always loved that plane. It had the same paint colors as the Cherokee in this video. He sold it in 1978 when he divorced my mother. Later on he bought a Beech V35. It was a great airplane too and very fast.
Cherokee 180 (9060Julliett) was my Dad's first plane back in the 60s. Then a Comanche. We flew all over for 40 years. As long as you kept up with the annuals they kept going and going and going... That was an era you will never see the likes of again. This reel brings back fond memories. Thanks for posting it.
Thanks for posting this. I became a flight instructor in the 1960s and had many students who learned to fly in the 140, 180, and 235. The cherokee 6 was a bit expensive and mostly used for charter. In the 1960s small airports all over the US had full tie down ramps. When you landed at Las Vegas there were 1000s of small single engine airplanes on the ramp at Hughes. It was easy to forget where you were tied down. They used golf carts to shuttle pilots to and from the FBO office. I remember that a Cessna 150 cost about $6,500 new in 1965. That was about the same price as a new Chevy Corvette. I don't remember the cost of fuel but it wasn't that much. It was about $.35 at some airports in Mexico. It use to be simple and safer to fly south to Mexico.
Is the procedure still the same landing when you get to the dme call approach ask for vectors to intercept the localizer than call the tower for landing clearance and do landing check list than keep Both needles in the middle announce 750 feet per minute decent but don't exceed 1000 feet per minute and make visual transition at 200 feet thanks
When did runway width become 150 feet wide become the minimum standard When did ils become standard at all airports I hear that the squak box became standard in 1950s When did the black box become standard on all planes
Used to fly myself everywhere in the late 1980s til the late 90s.. was a flight instructor and had access to $35/hr rate on most singles (Cessnas and Pipers). Gas had spiked twice in price since the 60s -oil embargo and gulf war. It was still cheaper and far more convenient/time saving than an airline ticket where you land nowhere near your destination neighborhood, have to rent a car and are at the mercy of many factors out of your control. Renting a plane can have the same issues (weather, mechanical..) but I found that being able to land at any airport (even private airports with prior permissions) was the best as I could (more often than not) simply WALK to my final destination from a grass runway or small paved airpark. Now, after 911, Obama, Bush and Biden, nobody except for the filthy rich can afford the costs associated with pilot certification. It is very classist, today. I believe that was completely by design, but that's my opinion. Restricting freedom of travel is one way to exert power and control over citizens. Today, nearly all the airports are fenced with barbwire. Our local field here in Canandaigua NY is taxpayer funded through municipal taxes, yet the sign on the barbwired fence reads, "NO TRESPASSING PRIVATE PROPERTY". When I was a child in the 1960s and early 70s, no airport had fencing except for military and a few select major airports. Take your kid to an airport today and you will get chased away by a Cirrus owner and DHS. Meanwhile, the southern border is wide open. Pretty sure this all won't end well.
Yes, the golden days of aviation. If anyone wants to see the real decline in America...look no further...my dad had two planes in the 50s and 60's, he worked hard but didn't even graduate from high school....today you need to be a professional with a master's degree just to afford the annual inspection or overhaul. Sad....
What a time warp this is,OK some may call it corny but remember Piper Aircraft Corporation at Lock Haven made flying accessible to many with mass produced monocoque construction light aircraft,what this film shows and brings over is their mission to make flying accessible to ordinary people well those who could afford to do so,those early PA-28 Cherokee's certainly look lovely at that small airfield,the dress of the people and the old automobiles all add to the charm,thank you to Periscope for bringing it to the fore so we can view it today.
love the past man, everything was so easy and nothing was bad for you: you could smoke and not know you were killing yourself, have sex without protection and enjoy the moment, ride a motorbike without a helmet, have a good idea and become a millionaire, want to fly and actually do it with ease, now we've crippled ourselves with rules, regulation, political correctness, fear of death, money, debt...it's seems to be nuck less fun now, you can't even go to a gig without having your ass checked for god knows what!
N9030W is a PA-28-235, built in April 1965. Serial Number is 10644. The PA-28 I flew was made May 1964. That aircraft was Serial Number 28-400. The point is nearly 10,000 aircraft built in one year. The 1960s really were a hay day for general aviation. Incidentally, after landing at a small airport , I spied another older Cherokee. The data plate revealed it was one digit older than my aircraft. So, these two aircraft were on the assembly line together and now sixty years later they were again side by side.
Product liability issues haunted production of all small GA aircraft for several years in the eighties. Only after tort reform for the aircraft industry did production resume...at much higher cost and a slower rate.
FA's database has 30W by sole owner Mr Suedmeyer of Suedmeyer Farms out of Fulton MO. Most likely flying out of KFTT (Fulton-Elton Hensley) field, or private airstrips, for the corporation there is good-sized. It looks like she's being kept up to date and in good repair. Nice to see these older airframes being kept up. Of course, it would take a lot of neglect to trash a tough bird like Cherokee.
@@davidminderman3179 It still is hurting, even the light sport classes, the FAA tried in a half-hearted way to work around the liability and cost issues. I really wished they had left the ultralight categories along, or improved their accessibility.
I first handled flight controls on a Piper Cherokee way back in 1974 from Sharjah airport in the UAE. My instructor took me on a circuit over the desert and the Gulf waters. The landscape was so beautiful and amazing to see everything from above. I did not go on to pursue the pilots licence but still think of how wonderful it would have been to have one. Things have changed so much since then, with all the congestion on our roads and the skies too. The 60's and 70's, such good times.
I soloed a 140 in 1971 at the age of 16. If i remember a correctly, the Cherokee cost $19.95 an hour wet. An instructor received $9.95 an hour. Now at nearly 69, I've retired from flying with 5500 hours in my logbook. Was typed in Learjet 25, 35, 45, 55, and King Air 350.
Great video...... And the ending with the doll that they're going to give their granddaughter was priceless.....I hope Dale and Alice had many happy years of flying together! 🙂
They didn’t show the wife somehow climbing into that airplane while wearing a pencil skirt and heels. That would be the greatest display of skill in this film.
I learned to fly in 40W in 1966 at Cannon Aviation - Riverside Airport Tulsa. Worked as a lineboy on Saturdays for one hour of instruction on Sundays. Thought I mastered cross control landings until I did some taildragger time in a Cessna 180.
I was with piper sales east at owd in the late 60's. My first solo was in a very old 140 with the old push pull throttle before they mounted everything on the quadrant. Great times wonderful airplane
This promo was filmed at my home field, 6B9 in Skaneateles, NY. I am astounded that the facility today is still almost identical to what you see in the film (approx 1965 according to other comments here. It is unattended today but the front office still has exactly the same woodwork, wall cabinets, counter, even the same front door. The same T-hangars across the runway from the two main hangars. Inside Hangar 1 you can still see sunlight through the bolt holes where the letters for the Empire Aero Services sign were attached. Many other little details still the same. Ten years ago I posted a few videos of takeoff and landings from the field - you can see for yourself on my channel. However, the field today is much improved from my videos. The runway and ramps have been repaved and many other repairs and enhancements to the hangars and facility. But visually - virtually the same!!
@John Conway There is a hint starting at 12:20. The wall chart that Alice is using is still on the back wall of the main hangar today. It's a bunch of sectionals pieced together with a permanent screw at 6B9 and a weighted cord that can be used to plot a straight line course to almost anywhere east of the Mississippi. It's pretty tall and I think Alice is standing on a step stool or something to reach the cord and her feet are cropped out of the shot. The charts all appear to be about that old (50 plus years!). It looks like she's plotting a course to Lehigh Valley (ABE) or Allentown (XLL) or somewhere thereabouts.
@@garypike The road was always there. At one time the airport owner also owned the property across the road and a Mitchell B-25 bomber. He built the runway extension across the road and used it when flying the B-25 with people to flag traffic while he was on it. The extension is still visible but the surface by now is completely gone. It was interesting to see it in the promo, looking new and fresh. In one of my videos showing an approach to rwy 10 you will see a vehicle driving past while I'm on final.
It’s good to know somethings stay the same. Nowadays everything changes all the time, it’s comforting to see somethings still remain the way they used to be.
I flew a Cherokee 140 in the late 1960's. I loved it, but I did suffer through a forced landing. Others around the country suffered the same engine failure, and it seemed to take the authorities a bit long to issue an AD note. The carburetor floats were developing leaks. When the float won't float, you have to land and right then. Non-the-less, the aircraft was a lot of fun and easy to fly.
@Cindy Tepper OMG I fell in love with the Yankee when it first came out and built a gasoline-engined model of it. I was convinced that one day I would buy one. The Yankee and Colt both have the Lycoming O-235 108 hp, and I ended up with the Colt instead. I like the Warrior, but I find it a bit pricey. If I move up to a four-seater I would probably buy a Cherokee 180 circa 1968-1973. Slightly slower, somewhat cheaper...
I live in the town of Elgin, and my grandfather earned his private certificate at The Elgin Airport, where the sponsor of this film is from. I even have his logbooks to prove it! He later bought a V tail Bonanza he also kept there. 40 years later, I was able to fly myself and my mother to an airport 350 miles away to meet and see the current owner of her father’s airplane, and of course, the airplane. :) Folks in the aviation world, are some of the finest people you’ll ever meet. And definitely great story tellers!
Many "Andy Griffith Show" fans don't realize that Frances Bavier ("Aunt Bea") -- whose character took flying lessons in one of her last episodes -- was an accomplished pilot.
I never knew she was a pilot in real life. I just remember being angry at everyone trying to talk her out of it and being really disappointed when she decided to stop flying after her first solo.
My dad was a pilot...my mom actually got the 58 Chevy virtually sideways in the garage where my dad couldn't figure out how she did it.... a Luscombe occupied the garage shortly thereafter.
Robert - my favorite was a PA28-140 with occasional time in a 180. As much as flying Beech and other aircraft may have been far more powerful, the old "training boats" have a special place in my heart.
@@naughtyUphillboy They're very safe. Like all GA planes they get opened up every year and inspected nose to tail by an FAA certified aircraft inspector. Any issues with spar cracking etc would result in an AD for all to look out of the same.
I earned my private pilot's license flying the T-tail Piper PA-38 Tomahawk. After that, I qualified on a Piper Warrior which is like an improved version of the Cherokee. That was an easy plane to fly. In fact, almost too easy as it was so forgiving with stalls and making strong crosswind landings. Practically flies itself!
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Dan Uscian anything May be easier to fly... if you Learn on a pa38
I don't understand the general hate the poor old traumahawk gets! 🤣. I love that plane, and it certainly teaches you to fly properly. But the warrior is definitely a cool step up from the traumahawk.
@@witblitsfilm I have around 85 hours flying Tomahawks and Tomahawk IIs. I really enjoyed flying that aircraft and earned my private pilot's license in it (51 hours). But, you had to fly it "by the book" as it was not too forgiving in a low altitude stall. You needed a fair amount of altitude in which to practice stalls, say around 3000 feet above the ground, as the aircraft would quickly drop a left or right wing. I recall rudder peddle being needed to help in the "roller coaster" recovery. The Warrior or Cherokee stalled very cleanly. It simply "porpoised" as it lost altitude, but remained very level continuing straight ahead.
We were a Piper flight school. We went to Vero Beach back in the 60s and bought numerous 140s and 180s. I have several thousand hours in Colts ,140s,and 180s. Great acft. Sturdy and stable. Most GA acft are 40-50 years in age and still flying.
I still remember how much my mother liked her Campbell's soup commercials and dang! we ate a lot of it thanks to Donna Reed. Every time I seen its a wonderful life I think of that soup.
My parents had a 1969 or 1970 Cherokee 6. Its been over 40 years, so I can't remember exactly which. year and the N number is not showing anything on the FAA lookup. (and no NTSB report)
Yes. I still have a metal campaign style button for a $5 intro ride in a Cessna 150. Takeaway from this promo film--that, actually, little has changed. Yes, I know costs have risen. I see from posts here the shined and waxed Cherokee 180 is still chugging along. Stop in at your local General Aviation airport, saunter up to the desk, and this film will be recreated.
They were playing with the stall light i was in the back seat . The guy playing was pulling back slow and it lit the red light easy enough but the guy playing was a ww2 pilot and his son inlaw got white after a too long . He shoved that forward and gave it gas and was upset .
Currently been flying a Piper PA-28 Archer II. Great airplanes to fly. And I especially like to interject into my preflight briefing that even though we are flying a 1970’s airplane and that there are ashtrays there is no smoking in the aircraft!
@@michaelmccarthy4615 The cost of general aviation went to the moon starting late 70s and came close to eliminating the passtime by about 1990. In the '60s insurance for a manufacturer was about $50 per airframe, in the late '80s it was over $100,000 per airframe. Piper went bankrupt and Cessna stopped all single engine plane production for about a decade. Now this wasn't lawyers so much as it was a growing trend among judges to apply "strict liability"; a horrible legal construct wherein the manufacturer has to anticipate whatever bizarre thing the customer might do and basically treats the customer like an innocent child free from personal responsibility.
@@mytech6779 that is true, but aviation has always had higher cost as a form of transportation. The question is will it ever be remotely affordable again... there are other financial variables that work against general aviation
i rented a 140 from tufts-edgcumbe, the fbo at the elgin airport--when it was still active. half owned a tr-2 and the other owner had left it down in southern illinois with a dead battery. we made a jumper cable for the plane, flew it, and him down there and came back, only time i flew into elgin.
@@iChiphead Sure. But I Really did not tell Her When i bought it back in March of 2016. She had no clue till it arrived here. She wasn't to Happy at First to say the least but i said it's here to stay. She Flies a lot with me know. Life is Too short to not do what you Love.
That was fun. I love the Cherokee. I did my flight training in a PA-28-161 (Warrior) and a PA-28-181 (Archer). The only problem with doing my long solo XC in the Archer was the flight didn't last nearly long enough!
Thank you! Why do they hide things from each other? Just be honest and look, you could have just discovered a mutual passion for aviation (and saved us a lot of screen time).
helios1912. As well as a cute, slightly humorous advertising scheme that may have been effective back then. If I were their age back then and hadn’t previously had an interest in aviation I think this would have piqued my interest. They knew the demographic they were targeting.
In the mid 60's I worked 2 jobs after school to get enough for one hour of dual a week. Back then it was $18 for dual. Might as well have been a hundred for a 16 year old kid!!!! I wanted to take helicopter lessons but that was $30hr. Had to wait till I grew up!! Lol
@@francisarrigo8789 $30 an hour in the mid 60's was a LOT of money. Even considering inflation, it's a lot cheaper than today. Airplanes in general are really expensive. Flight schools hardly make any money as it is. Regulation, lawsuit, and AVGAS costs are through the roof for the manufacturers. That with limited production makes airplanes expensive. I hope have another golden age for aviation.
@@Ichibuns Are you serious? I can go get lessons today for $50/hr for the instructor and $100/hr for the plane, fuel included. (Prices in Hillsboro, Oregon.) According to in2013dollars.com, $30 in 1965 would be $244 today.
I really enjoy reading the comments from the flight instructors that taught and flew the pipers and beechcraft back in the 60s and 70s. I haven't seen many threads/posts about the Duchess however. Any of you seasoned pilots/instructors out there care to opine about this aircraft?
The Cherokee is a nice flying airplane. It’s funny though, as a post solo student pilot myself, they sure do make getting your pilots license look like a walk in the park!
Done probably five thousands trial flights. Some of the best students are women. They take the time to listen to what you have to say. Some men only half listen.
I am not trying to be cynical; l meant that having a significant other present seems to be a distraction from learning. Individual instruction before the cross country is the hidden message in this film.
I wonder how different the process was to get a license in the 1960s and the difference in standards. It seems nowadays it's become more difficult but still justified.
Yea. the 1960 was cool when the evening news was only at most a half hour a day and the newspaper was still the way most people got there news. Too much news has caused journalism to become entertainment and ruined our democracy.
I started flying in 1968. I had no recollection of educational films during this time being so "hokey". Now that I am retired, renting aircraft is no longer in the budget, but I do fly to keep up my skills on flight simulation - No, not Microsoft FS!
Oh, by the way - you'll be doing your first cross country in an airplane neither of you have ever flown before.18:14 listen carefully for the crash in the background.
Nice plane, but that white convertible is not a Bonneville, It's a 1965 Mercury Monterey. The square shape and the front fenders chromed vertical "louvers" are dead giveaways. 1966 and 1967 was the same body but the louvers were horizontal.
When I was 10 years old in 1963 Piper sent me a brochure for this aircraft. MSRP was approx. $8000, 3 times the price of a new Chevrolet. Now a similar aircraft is more than 10 times the price of a new Chevrolet.
Mark S I can find one recent incident that relates to an in-flight structural failure, where wing separation occurred (after take off). Can you direct me to the other events?
You heard that 18:22 Luckily they survived , but latter for insurance, taxes and corporate reasons they have changed their last names to name to King’s
The aircraft they fly in this film (a 1965 PIPER PA-28-180 with tail number N8358W) currently belongs to a fellow in Georgia flightaware.com/resources/registration/N8358W . The other they take cross-country (a 1965 Piper PA-32-260 with tail number N3202W) belonged to aviator Charlie Melot in the late 1960s, and was last registered to Mercury Airways of Virginia www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N3202W.html in 1974.
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Hi All!
Great Clip!
Just some quick comments if anybody out there remembers Elgin Airport and the Piper Dealer/Flight School in the late ‘60’s into the early ‘70’s…
I was blessed to be able to work for Tufts-Edgecumbe as a “Lineboy” from 1971- 1973, my last years of High School at St. Edwards. I knew Mr. Edgecumbe, he was the President, a very kind man, a good friend of Mr. Piper and a good man to work for. He sponsored this video.
Tufts-Edgecumbe, Mr. Tufts had passed away and I never knew him, was a Piper distributor and had a constant fleet of brand new airplanes, and for this 16 year old kid who was learning how to fly, it was way cool.
I flew the -140 at first, then after I got my Private Pilot Certificate I got checked out in the -180 and the -235. I would take people for rides often at night over Chicago to show them the lights…. Yes, single engine, at night, over a big city! Not sure I would do that today!
35,000+ hours of Airline Flying has taught me to be somewhat more cautious, so I do it in my twin engine Seneca now! Over Cleveland not Chicago, but you get my drift!
I soloed in N5516U, a 1969 PA-28-140, in September of 1971, she’s owned by a nice lady in Juneau WI, met her on an OSH trip a few years ago…
Elgin Airport is closed now, has been since the mid ‘80’s, but it was a busy place!
Big Flight School, probably 6 full time CFI’s, a few full time Charter Pilots, 2 Full Time Salesmen and a very busy Piper Service Center!
We had Piper “FlightLiners”, the -140’s painted Red & White and had FL at the end of the N Number, N701FL is still flying out there, we had one of the first Pressurized Navajo’s, THAT was fun to start and taxi, it was like an Airliner to this 16 year old kid. We had one of the first Seneca’s in ‘72, we heard it was going to be “a Six with 2 engines”, it was, and is beautiful, and is so much more!
At any one time we had maybe dozens of brand new Pipers on the field, all for sale, some being used for instruction and charter.
A shout out to some names some of you may remember…
- Art Fisher Chief Pilot and the DPE who gave me my PP Checkride in ‘72
- Terry Boyle, my immediate boss on the Line who became a CFI and went on to fly corporate. Terry treated me very well, Thank You Terry!
- A whole host of excellent CFI’s who wore those Piper Blazers, sometimes bright red!
Somehow they managed to stay cool in the hot Illinois summer!
Donny Waterman, retired UAL, like myself, but he’s a bit older! Jim Shruing, Corwin Kipinhand, Paul Wertheimer, who solo’d me and Ora Thomas, all good guys!
- Mr. Ed Bobin, who ran the Piper Mx Center, who took a chance on a 16 year old kid. Thank You Mr. Bobin!
- The guys I worked with on the Line, Scotty Klopenstein, a prince of a guy who took me flying, Scott you taught me a lot! Unfortunately several years later Scott was the Captain on a Rocky Mountain Twin Otter that crashed in the Rockies, RIP Scotty…
Randy Cabotoni, Thank You Randy, you were a good friend, Joey Messina, you made me laugh till I cried.
Thank you guys!
I lost touch with all when I went off to the Air Force….
Maybe somebodies out there still!
Elgin was a great place, Mr. Piper built some great airplanes, as many of you have noted on here, still flying after 60+ years!
My ‘81 Seneca is still in her prime! She just took me to Lock Haven PA, the birthplace of many of her siblings. She was born in Vero Beach.
The Video, like someone mentioned, takes place at Skaneateles Aero Drome (6B9), just SE of Syracuse, not far from Lock Haven.
It rings true of the ‘60’s! My Dad was a Private Pilot and flew everything from a -172 to the Big Six. The office looked like that, the Instructors dressed like that and NOBODY used headsets! Then! I didn’t!
I wouldn’t be able to take the noise today without my Bose!
The Air Force C-130 and then the 727 & 737 took some of my hearing, but I could not imagine how these guys gave 6-8 hours of dual a day!?
But they did, they made it look easy and we’re great role models!
It’s a great video, a glance back into the ‘60’s…. Kinda the way it was!
Thanks for reading!
Stay Safe! Fly Fun!
George
oh how I wish the Real world was this perfect! Everyone so friendly and professional looking, and always Welcoming and available when you want to them to be available! And everything looked clean and new and not so busy!
If you are a Baby Boomer or of the Silent Generation still alive, this advertisement would not have seemed out of place at all at that time. It WAS better back then and for reasons that🤐🤐🤐
The quality of life was better a nickel candy bar was a lot bigger and the matinee was 35 . gas where I lived was 30 cents a gallon and you goat your tires fill with air and your windshield washed or the price of the gas. I was cheaper to buy a house and everyone that had a job could buy one . Mom was home when you got home from schools to give you a treat.
@@kennance115 There were qualities far more important than the nickle candy bar and cheap gas to uphold the claim that it was better back then. Those claims are sociological in nature and to bring them up would open up a Pandora's Box against the current narrative.
@@BlackPill-pu4vi That's very true but as you said we really can't bring them up.
I grew up near Lock Haven, Pa. The home of Piper Aircraft. My Father worked at the facility since the early 1950's and retired in 1965 as a purchasing agent who helped resurrect the company from it's declining post-war problems. The Piper family and ours became pretty close over those years. This film brings back many fond memories. Thank you!
Great story.Thanks for sharing! I'll bet you have some great stories also about touring the Piper factory as a kid!
@@sonoranrain2330 You're welcome! I was quite young then so my "little kid" stories might be a little off. lol! Yes, we got to visit the entire facility in spurts tagging along with "Pop" on weekends, including the offices. They usually only worked production weekdays, and the test pilots tried to keep up alternating weekends. And maintenance on weekends too. And yes, of course we got to tag along with the pilots now and then for short rides. I also remember the truckloads of fresh engines coming from Lycoming just 20 minutes from their facilities in Williamsport, Pa. There was no "highway" back then bypassing the little town of Avis so they came right through our quaint little town. Sundays were always a treat. My Mother would toss us kids in the car, go to a small restaurant called "The Second Cup" near the airport where she would grab the Sunday paper, and some "lunch to go" for us. Then we would swing around "the back way" to the gate near the tower and watch the test pilots take off and land. It was a wonderful time to be alive for sure. The skies over Avis were always buzzing with Piper Aircraft and I got to watch a lot of "test" maneuvers, including the stall tests which kept your eyes glued to them. lol!
@@JeffCounsil-rp4qv Thank you so much for sharing. Wow.... seeing truckloads of Lycoming engines passing through your town......going up for a flight with a test pilot.....You've enough incredible memories to keep and enjoy for several lifetimes! I can only begin to imagine......I would be down at the flightline every single day !!
I had a friend years ago whose husband worked at the Bombardier facility in Tucson. She arranged a tour for me that I'll never forget! Thanks for sharing!
Pennsylvania is such a beautiful state and with so much history too. I was from Utah and my folks took us there to visit his old army friends. I think we like the heresy bar plant more than Disneyland.
600 miles in 4 hours in a Cherokee 180 would be a neat trick. Still a cool old film to watch. Times were so much simpler back then.
C'mon, give the salesman a break. If he had said 500 it would have been more likely. But the kids lived 600 miles away, and he needs to sell them a plane. Maybe 2....
My dad bought a brand new Piper Arrow in 1968. I was born in December of 1967. He bought a car seat for the Piper but we didn't have one for the car. I always loved that plane. It had the same paint colors as the Cherokee in this video. He sold it in 1978 when he divorced my mother. Later on he bought a Beech V35. It was a great airplane too and very fast.
Cherokee 180 (9060Julliett) was my Dad's first plane back in the 60s. Then a Comanche. We flew all over for 40 years. As long as you kept up with the annuals they kept going and going and going... That was an era you will never see the likes of again. This reel brings back fond memories. Thanks for posting it.
Thanks for posting this. I became a flight instructor in the 1960s and had many students who learned to fly in the 140, 180, and 235. The cherokee 6 was a bit expensive and mostly used for charter. In the 1960s small airports all over the US had full tie down ramps. When you landed at Las Vegas there were 1000s of small single engine airplanes on the ramp at Hughes. It was easy to forget where you were tied down. They used golf carts to shuttle pilots to and from the FBO office. I remember that a Cessna 150 cost about $6,500 new in 1965. That was about the same price as a new Chevy Corvette. I don't remember the cost of fuel but it wasn't that much. It was about $.35 at some airports in Mexico. It use to be simple and safer to fly south to Mexico.
Bring 200kgs of coke back to offset the 100 hourly lol 😂
@@spannaspinna Back then it was Peyote and weed.
Is the procedure still the same landing when you get to the dme call approach ask for vectors to intercept the localizer than call the tower for landing clearance and do landing check list than keep Both needles in the middle announce 750 feet per minute decent but don't exceed 1000 feet per minute and make visual transition at 200 feet thanks
When did runway width become 150 feet wide become the minimum standard
When did ils become standard at all airports
I hear that the squak box became standard in 1950s
When did the black box become standard on all planes
Used to fly myself everywhere in the late 1980s til the late 90s.. was a flight instructor and had access to $35/hr rate on most singles (Cessnas and Pipers). Gas had spiked twice in price since the 60s -oil embargo and gulf war. It was still cheaper and far more convenient/time saving than an airline ticket where you land nowhere near your destination neighborhood, have to rent a car and are at the mercy of many factors out of your control. Renting a plane can have the same issues (weather, mechanical..) but I found that being able to land at any airport (even private airports with prior permissions) was the best as I could (more often than not) simply WALK to my final destination from a grass runway or small paved airpark.
Now, after 911, Obama, Bush and Biden, nobody except for the filthy rich can afford the costs associated with pilot certification. It is very classist, today. I believe that was completely by design, but that's my opinion. Restricting freedom of travel is one way to exert power and control over citizens. Today, nearly all the airports are fenced with barbwire. Our local field here in Canandaigua NY is taxpayer funded through municipal taxes, yet the sign on the barbwired fence reads, "NO TRESPASSING PRIVATE PROPERTY".
When I was a child in the 1960s and early 70s, no airport had fencing except for military and a few select major airports. Take your kid to an airport today and you will get chased away by a Cirrus owner and DHS. Meanwhile, the southern border is wide open.
Pretty sure this all won't end well.
This is the best thing I have watched in a while
Yes, the golden days of aviation. If anyone wants to see the real decline in America...look no further...my dad had two planes in the 50s and 60's, he worked hard but didn't even graduate from high school....today you need to be a professional with a master's degree just to afford the annual inspection or overhaul. Sad....
This video is still effective advertising in 2021
What a time warp this is,OK some may call it corny but remember Piper Aircraft Corporation at Lock Haven made flying accessible to many with mass produced monocoque construction light aircraft,what this film shows and brings over is their mission to make flying accessible to ordinary people well those who could afford to do so,those early PA-28 Cherokee's certainly look lovely at that small airfield,the dress of the people and the old automobiles all add to the charm,thank you to Periscope for bringing it to the fore so we can view it today.
love the past man, everything was so easy and nothing was bad for you: you could smoke and not know you were killing yourself, have sex without protection and enjoy the moment, ride a motorbike without a helmet, have a good idea and become a millionaire, want to fly and actually do it with ease, now we've crippled ourselves with rules, regulation, political correctness, fear of death, money, debt...it's seems to be nuck less fun now, you can't even go to a gig without having your ass checked for god knows what!
That sums things up Alessandro,spot on !
Well said.....it is certainly a
healthy (and much needed) dose of nostalgia as well as an incredible PR film for promoting general aviation.
N9050W is still actively registered in Missouri. Cool.
As well as N8358W it is in Douglas, Ga
@@jakemcconnell1776 Yes it is. In hangar 14 at KDQH.
@@skyking2324 And it's yours! :)
I looked it up too. It's amazing how long these airplanes are lasting.
lol. I was looking to see if I was the only one who looked up the tail number. Adsb shows last flight of 50 whisky in November 2021.
N9030W is a PA-28-235, built in April 1965. Serial Number is 10644. The PA-28 I flew was made May 1964. That aircraft was Serial Number 28-400. The point is nearly 10,000 aircraft built in one year. The 1960s really were a hay day for general aviation.
Incidentally, after landing at a small airport , I spied another older Cherokee. The data plate revealed it was one digit older than my aircraft. So, these two aircraft were on the assembly line together and now sixty years later they were again side by side.
I think the late 70's were the peak production years for general aviation...after that it fell off a cliff.
@@gtc1961 did deregulation effect sales that quickly? Interest rates in the early 80's probably didn't help much.
Product liability issues haunted production of all small GA aircraft for several years in the eighties. Only after tort reform for the aircraft industry did production resume...at much higher cost and a slower rate.
FA's database has 30W by sole owner Mr Suedmeyer of Suedmeyer Farms out of Fulton MO. Most likely flying out of KFTT (Fulton-Elton Hensley) field, or private airstrips, for the corporation there is good-sized. It looks like she's being kept up to date and in good repair. Nice to see these older airframes being kept up. Of course, it would take a lot of neglect to trash a tough bird like Cherokee.
@@davidminderman3179 It still is hurting, even the light sport classes, the FAA tried in a half-hearted way to work around the liability and cost issues. I really wished they had left the ultralight categories along, or improved their accessibility.
I first handled flight controls on a Piper Cherokee way back in 1974 from Sharjah airport in the UAE. My instructor took me on a circuit over the desert and the Gulf waters. The landscape was so beautiful and amazing to see everything from above. I did not go on to pursue the pilots licence but still think of how wonderful it would have been to have one. Things have changed so much since then, with all the congestion on our roads and the skies too. The 60's and 70's, such good times.
brought back great memories.
And thus the Kings got their start...
I soloed a 140 in 1971 at the age of 16. If i remember a correctly, the Cherokee cost $19.95 an hour wet. An instructor received $9.95 an hour. Now at nearly 69, I've retired from flying with 5500 hours in my logbook. Was typed in Learjet 25, 35, 45, 55, and King Air 350.
Great video...... And the ending with the doll that they're going to give their granddaughter was priceless.....I hope Dale and Alice had many happy years of flying together! 🙂
They didn’t show the wife somehow climbing into that airplane while wearing a pencil skirt and heels. That would be the greatest display of skill in this film.
I learned to fly in 40W in 1966 at Cannon Aviation - Riverside Airport Tulsa. Worked as a lineboy on Saturdays for one hour of instruction on Sundays. Thought I mastered cross control landings until I did some taildragger time in a Cessna 180.
I was with piper sales east at owd in the late 60's. My first solo was in a very old 140 with the old push pull throttle before they mounted everything on the quadrant. Great times wonderful airplane
This promo was filmed at my home field, 6B9 in Skaneateles, NY. I am astounded that the facility today is still almost identical to what you see in the film (approx 1965 according to other comments here. It is unattended today but the front office still has exactly the same woodwork, wall cabinets, counter, even the same front door. The same T-hangars across the runway from the two main hangars. Inside Hangar 1 you can still see sunlight through the bolt holes where the letters for the Empire Aero Services sign were attached. Many other little details still the same.
Ten years ago I posted a few videos of takeoff and landings from the field - you can see for yourself on my channel. However, the field today is much improved from my videos. The runway and ramps have been repaved and many other repairs and enhancements to the hangars and facility.
But visually - virtually the same!!
@John Conway There is a hint starting at 12:20. The wall chart that Alice is using is still on the back wall of the main hangar today. It's a bunch of sectionals pieced together with a permanent screw at 6B9 and a weighted cord that can be used to plot a straight line course to almost anywhere east of the Mississippi. It's pretty tall and I think Alice is standing on a step stool or something to reach the cord and her feet are cropped out of the shot. The charts all appear to be about that old (50 plus years!). It looks like she's plotting a course to Lehigh Valley (ABE) or Allentown (XLL) or somewhere thereabouts.
Why did they shorten the runway? Look at it from a satellite view and you can see they cut a road right through the runway shortening the runway.
@@garypike The road was always there. At one time the airport owner also owned the property across the road and a Mitchell B-25 bomber. He built the runway extension across the road and used it when flying the B-25 with people to flag traffic while he was on it. The extension is still visible but the surface by now is completely gone. It was interesting to see it in the promo, looking new and fresh. In one of my videos showing an approach to rwy 10 you will see a vehicle driving past while I'm on final.
It’s good to know somethings stay the same. Nowadays everything changes all the time, it’s comforting to see somethings still remain the way they used to be.
That is so cool! I'll have to stop by that airport on my next trip up to Buffalo.
I flew a Cherokee 140 in the late 1960's. I loved it, but I did suffer through a forced landing. Others around the country suffered the same engine failure, and it seemed to take the authorities a bit long to issue an AD note. The carburetor floats were developing leaks. When the float won't float, you have to land and right then. Non-the-less, the aircraft was a lot of fun and easy to fly.
crap ! just goggle a 140 to see what it looked like and all that came up were a crumple up ones that had crashed. You are luck to be around!
This is a wonderful film. Loved it all. Great. I want one now. Thanks
Learned in a PA28 with the exact same horrific burgundy interior and antique steam gauge panel. Such an honest and welcoming airplane.
I was once in a partnership that owned a 1968 Cherokee 180 in that same red-on-white paint scheme. Man, I miss her...
That Cherokee 180 is still flying 54 years later
I just checked it. Before I read your comment.
one of the planes at my flight school that started in the 60s is still there.
@Sergey Vyatkin
Same.
BTW: so is my 1961 Piper Colt!
@@Skyprince27 My first lessons were in a Piper Colt, then moved to a Grumman AA1A. Took my check ride in a Warrior
@Cindy Tepper
OMG I fell in love with the Yankee when it first came out and built a gasoline-engined model of it. I was convinced that one day I would buy one.
The Yankee and Colt both have the Lycoming O-235 108 hp, and I ended up with the Colt instead.
I like the Warrior, but I find it a bit pricey. If I move up to a four-seater I would probably buy a Cherokee 180 circa 1968-1973. Slightly slower, somewhat cheaper...
I live in the town of Elgin, and my grandfather earned his private certificate at The Elgin Airport, where the sponsor of this film is from. I even have his logbooks to prove it!
He later bought a V tail Bonanza he also kept there. 40 years later, I was able to fly myself and my mother to an airport 350 miles away to meet and see the current owner of her father’s airplane, and of course, the airplane. :)
Folks in the aviation world, are some of the finest people you’ll ever meet. And definitely great story tellers!
Many "Andy Griffith Show" fans don't realize that Frances Bavier ("Aunt Bea") -- whose character took flying lessons in one of her last episodes -- was an accomplished pilot.
VideoNOLA I didn’t know !!!🙏🏻
Oh man I would pay to hear her talking to ATC lol
I never knew she was a pilot in real life. I just remember being angry at everyone trying to talk her out of it and being really disappointed when she decided to stop flying after her first solo.
See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Bavier
@@672egalaxie6 ATC, this is Aunt B, Helloooooo!?!
ha ha " The young people " , quite a reminiscent film, thanks for sharing this; I was just a little kid then dreaming of flying.
I really enjoyed that video, thanks for posting it.
Mrs. Jarvis took the mirrors off the Bonneville a time or 2 pulling out of the garage, but she doing just fine in the Cherokee.
A D HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! 😂😂😂 That was truly good
hahaha lol that broke me up. Ol' Alice and Dale.
My dad was a pilot...my mom actually got the 58 Chevy virtually sideways in the garage where my dad couldn't figure out how she did it.... a Luscombe occupied the garage shortly thereafter.
@gordon mathew the description says Bonneville, but I believe your right.
Thank you for that 😆
Looks like ol' "58 Willie" is still alive and flying. I just looked it up, and it's currently registered to an owner in Douglas Georgia.
That's fantastic!
Should send the video to him some how.
The current owner might be the grandchild of Mr & Mrs Crawford....
@@mohabatkhanmalak1161 Or aliens.
When did it change from "Willie" to "Whisky?"
Funny thing is I probably taught in that Cherokee. Those 60’s Cherokee’s are still in service at flight schools around the country.
Are they safe..............wing falling incident.......????????
Robert - my favorite was a PA28-140 with occasional time in a 180. As much as flying Beech and other aircraft may have been far more powerful, the old "training boats" have a special place in my heart.
@@naughtyUphillboy They're very safe. Like all GA planes they get opened up every year and inspected nose to tail by an FAA certified aircraft inspector. Any issues with spar cracking etc would result in an AD for all to look out of the same.
At F.I.T. maybe?
The Guy That Owned it before Me Had it for 40 Yrs. His Dad bought it for him when he was 26 and in 2016 he is 66 when i purchased it.
Such an innocent time. Wonderful.
I earned my private pilot's license flying the T-tail Piper PA-38 Tomahawk. After that, I qualified on a Piper Warrior which is like an improved version of the Cherokee. That was an easy plane to fly. In fact, almost too easy as it was so forgiving with stalls and making strong crosswind landings. Practically flies itself!
Dan Uscian anything May be easier to fly... if you Learn on a pa38
@ I whole heartedly agree!
I don't understand the general hate the poor old traumahawk gets! 🤣. I love that plane, and it certainly teaches you to fly properly. But the warrior is definitely a cool step up from the traumahawk.
@@witblitsfilm I have around 85 hours flying Tomahawks and Tomahawk IIs. I really enjoyed flying that aircraft and earned my private pilot's license in it (51 hours). But, you had to fly it "by the book" as it was not too forgiving in a low altitude stall. You needed a fair amount of altitude in which to practice stalls, say around 3000 feet above the ground, as the aircraft would quickly drop a left or right wing. I recall rudder peddle being needed to help in the "roller coaster" recovery. The Warrior or Cherokee stalled very cleanly. It simply "porpoised" as it lost altitude, but remained very level continuing straight ahead.
Same here. That was ages ago. I found the Cherokee clunky by comparison.
Yup, just reading the paper, dear 🙂
We were a Piper flight school. We went to Vero Beach back in the 60s and bought numerous 140s and 180s. I have several thousand hours in Colts ,140s,and 180s. Great acft. Sturdy and stable. Most GA acft are 40-50 years in age and still flying.
@Donald Parlett jr
I just flew my 1961 Colt on Monday!
Skyprince27 congrats my first solo was 11 April 1979 my 16th birthday in Colt 5157Z
My Dad took his checkride in a Colt, 5076Z, in the mid 60's..nice airplane.
I love the Donna Reed music, ah, those were the days.
I still remember how much my mother liked her Campbell's soup commercials and dang! we ate a lot of it thanks to Donna Reed. Every time I seen its a wonderful life I think of that soup.
I still have a Piper coin "$5 and this coin for an introductory lesson."
My parents had a 1969 or 1970 Cherokee 6.
Its been over 40 years, so I can't remember exactly which. year and the N number is not showing anything on the FAA lookup. (and no NTSB report)
Yes. I still have a metal campaign style button for a $5 intro ride in a Cessna 150. Takeaway from this promo film--that, actually, little has changed. Yes, I know costs have risen. I see from posts here the shined and waxed Cherokee 180 is still chugging along. Stop in at your local General Aviation airport, saunter up to the desk, and this film will be recreated.
Love it, " He is five minutes late already, Just like a man. " Love it
I also took my PPL in a 1965 Cherokee (the one with trim above your head). A very nice and stable plane. That was almost 2 years ago ;-)
Nothing like the Hershey bar dropping from the sky at idle 😝😝
They were playing with the stall light i was in the back seat . The guy playing was pulling back slow and it lit the red light easy enough but the guy playing was a ww2 pilot and his son inlaw got white after a too long . He shoved that forward and gave it gas and was upset .
I notice that they didn't film the part about Mrs. Jarvis having her shirt cut off after her first solo flight... (grin) /RayK
For some reason the Donna Reed theme song starts at 8:28 and background music from leave it to beaver at 14:08.
Currently been flying a Piper PA-28 Archer II. Great airplanes to fly. And I especially like to interject into my preflight briefing that even though we are flying a 1970’s airplane and that there are ashtrays there is no smoking in the aircraft!
I like that one of the Gentlemen said Willy for Whiskey.
The old army phonetic alphabet before the current NATO international phonetic. Also why we still use "roger" for received, rather than romeo.
18:18 Sounds like the Jarvis’s are crashing in the background.
HA. It does sound like they did.
OMG...yes! They ground-looped a trike!
Exactly what I thought!
"That's why we rent".
"Celebrating her new pilots license, Mrs. Jarvis tacked on a few pounds very quickly, which put them severely out of CG on their next take off"
Ah yes back in the day when even hospitals had ashtrays every where.
@Tom Gulbranson In my Cessna POH the cigarette lighter adapter is called a cigar lighter.
@Tom Gulbranson Yes they were.
My 1967 Cherokee 180C looks like a clone to N8358W in the film. Same paint scheme and instrument layout. They fly great!
Love this stuff
I took flying lessons in 1973. It was $16.00 per hour.
You lucky son of a gun, I was paying $150/hour minimum for my private license.
@@captainnope747 how! im over here paying 250 per hour
@@suloadz3912 I flew a cheap ass 172 that was like 40 years old
In 1994 I rented Shawano Flying Service's C-150 for $28.00/hr.
I'm afraid to ask how much avgas was at that time!
What a good video!
Now how come they would not notice their joint bank account balance dropping so fast lol?
Been dropping bank accounts since orville and Wilbur
@@michaelmccarthy4615 The cost of general aviation went to the moon starting late 70s and came close to eliminating the passtime by about 1990. In the '60s insurance for a manufacturer was about $50 per airframe, in the late '80s it was over $100,000 per airframe. Piper went bankrupt and Cessna stopped all single engine plane production for about a decade.
Now this wasn't lawyers so much as it was a growing trend among judges to apply "strict liability"; a horrible legal construct wherein the manufacturer has to anticipate whatever bizarre thing the customer might do and basically treats the customer like an innocent child free from personal responsibility.
@@mytech6779 that is true, but aviation has always had higher cost as a form of transportation. The question is will it ever be remotely affordable again... there are other financial variables that work against general aviation
@@michaelmccarthy4615 Not as affordable as jumping on a Southwest jet or Frontier, some airlines are as low as $19.00 to Vegas. Nobody can beat that.
i rented a 140 from tufts-edgcumbe, the fbo at the elgin airport--when it was still active. half owned a tr-2 and the other owner had left it down in southern illinois with a dead battery. we made a jumper cable for the plane, flew it, and him down there and came back, only time i flew into elgin.
58W is a PA28-180; got my Pvt, Comm, Instrument in a PA28-140 1965-1967
Mr. Jarvis, while undressing himself, seems a little too excited about the prospect of meeting a charming lady who is just his type. 13:35
Back then they probably called lunch a $10 burger versus the $100 burger today.
More like the $0.15 burger.
Joel more like a $275 burger today!
M P
More like $5,000 burger! Lol they havent had $10 burgers since the 2020’s.... oh shit what year am i in?
35 cents at macdonalds if you were rich
When life was good
When America was actually wealthy and 🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍
That 1966 Lincoln convertible is almost as beautiful as the Piper Cherokee.🤓
I said the same thing!!
That must have been there short xcountry...lol
Long xcountry back then had to be 300 miles.
According to the FAA database, N8358W is still around and owned by a guy in Georgia!
That's Me !!!! lol
@@skyking2324 Can we tell your wife?
@@iChiphead Sure. But I Really did not tell Her When i bought it back in March of 2016. She had no clue till it arrived here. She wasn't to Happy at First to say the least but i said it's here to stay. She Flies a lot with me know. Life is Too short to not do what you Love.
That was fun. I love the Cherokee. I did my flight training in a PA-28-161 (Warrior) and a PA-28-181 (Archer).
The only problem with doing my long solo XC in the Archer was the flight didn't last nearly long enough!
Did you guys see that new Aerolite Plastic, commonly referred to as “potato chips” now. Dad had a Cherokee 235 back than.
I think couples counseling would be more appropriate than flying lessons.
Thank you! Why do they hide things from each other? Just be honest and look, you could have just discovered a mutual passion for aviation (and saved us a lot of screen time).
@@lonememe Good one. The script provides tension and motive--could have been a TV sit-com episode.
helios1912. As well as a cute, slightly humorous advertising scheme that may have been effective back then. If I were their age back then and hadn’t previously had an interest in aviation I think this would have piqued my interest. They knew the demographic they were targeting.
i love this plane
It’s a shame pilot lessons have become unaffordable In today’s world
In the mid 60's I worked 2 jobs after school to get enough for one hour of dual a week. Back then it was $18 for dual. Might as well have been a hundred for a 16 year old kid!!!! I wanted to take helicopter lessons but that was $30hr. Had to wait till I grew up!! Lol
@@francisarrigo8789 $30 an hour in the mid 60's was a LOT of money. Even considering inflation, it's a lot cheaper than today. Airplanes in general are really expensive. Flight schools hardly make any money as it is. Regulation, lawsuit, and AVGAS costs are through the roof for the manufacturers. That with limited production makes airplanes expensive. I hope have another golden age for aviation.
@@Ichibuns Are you serious? I can go get lessons today for $50/hr for the instructor and $100/hr for the plane, fuel included. (Prices in Hillsboro, Oregon.) According to in2013dollars.com, $30 in 1965 would be $244 today.
Late 50's, flying was affordable even for kids, $6.00 solo, $9.00 duel!!
It is affordable. You just have to prioritize it. Figure about $200/lesson.
I really enjoy reading the comments
from the flight instructors that taught and flew the pipers and beechcraft back in the 60s and 70s. I haven't seen many threads/posts about the Duchess however. Any of you seasoned pilots/instructors out there care to opine about this aircraft?
The Cherokee is a nice flying airplane. It’s funny though, as a post solo student pilot myself, they sure do make getting your pilots license look like a walk in the park!
Amusing. Thanks
Done probably five thousands trial flights. Some of the best students are women. They take the time to listen to what you have to say. Some men only half listen.
what was that ..?
UNLESS... You take them up together. Then nobody hears or learns Anything.
I am not trying to be cynical; l meant that having a significant other present seems to be a distraction from learning. Individual instruction before the cross country is the hidden message in this film.
1:30 - "Don't tell my wife I just bought an airplane from a guy who doesn't know how to land!"
Better than rented to a guy who cant land .
I learned to fly in a Piper P28A/A and P28A/G.
I wonder how different the process was to get a license in the 1960s and the difference in standards. It seems nowadays it's become more difficult but still justified.
This is the airplane version of the Pina Colada song...
Yea. the 1960 was cool when the evening news was only at most a half hour a day and the newspaper was still the way most people got there news. Too much news has caused journalism to become entertainment and ruined our democracy.
Perfect observation. I remember those days and it was better.
I started flying in 1968. I had no recollection of educational films during this time being so "hokey".
Now that I am retired, renting aircraft is no longer in the budget, but I do fly to keep up my skills on flight simulation - No, not Microsoft FS!
It is a 20 minute long manufacturer's advertisement rather than an educational piece :)
Oh, by the way - you'll be doing your first cross country in an airplane neither of you have ever flown before.18:14 listen carefully for the crash in the background.
Its sad people waste their money paying credit loans and their time on social media these days. We really could use a lot more pilots!
The economy is designed to create ever increasing amounts of debt.
@@daytonasixty-eight1354 I agree. But you don't have to participate
i wish it had been so easy to get my PPL. Here you just walk in get on a plane learn and fly, now..yeah right
The classy thing is the salesman sat on the right.
Alot of these old pipers are still going
Nice plane, but that white convertible is not a Bonneville, It's a 1965 Mercury Monterey. The square shape and the front fenders chromed vertical "louvers" are dead giveaways. 1966 and 1967 was the same body but the louvers were horizontal.
Grandpappy had a '65 Montclaire with BreezeWay window
Isn't that Trumpy the Bear on the back at the end???...🤗
This is Fantastic!! I do not remember hearing about the overall cost etc.
The price didn't get stupid until the early 80s, before that it was about like paying for a reasonably nice touring car.
When I was 10 years old in 1963 Piper sent me a brochure for this aircraft. MSRP was approx. $8000, 3 times the price of a new Chevrolet. Now a similar aircraft is more than 10 times the price of a new Chevrolet.
5:12 CALLED IT
HELLYEA GIRRRL
Ahhh, back when the middle class still existed...
At 18:21 is that the sound of the Jarvis's crashing at the end of the runway behind him?
first plane I flew PA 28-161
Jesus, these people needed to just be honest with their spouses. It would have saved half the time in the film. lol
Well, she surely doesn’t have the fear of flying.
Willie, Whiskey...Close enough..
I took my first lesson in a PA-28. Unfortunately, as of late, the wings tend to come off.
Mark S I can find one recent incident that relates to an in-flight structural failure, where wing separation occurred (after take off).
Can you direct me to the other events?
Fast forward to today and the young couples just wrap Dodge Chargers around things!
You heard that 18:22 Luckily they survived , but latter for insurance, taxes and corporate reasons they have changed their last names to name to King’s
Rumor has it that the Jarvis's hit some severe IFR on their first trip to see their new grandson, and flew into a cloud full of rocks....
I just keep thinking: All these people are dead
And yet those planes are probably still flying.
The red and white Cherokee they were using is still registered and flying according to the FAA registration database.
@JustPlaneSilly, what an irony. Perhaps a parody of such a film???
@@safeflight9189 hmmmmmm.
The aircraft they fly in this film (a 1965 PIPER PA-28-180 with tail number N8358W) currently belongs to a fellow in Georgia flightaware.com/resources/registration/N8358W .
The other they take cross-country (a 1965 Piper PA-32-260 with tail number N3202W) belonged to aviator Charlie Melot in the late 1960s, and was last registered to Mercury Airways of Virginia www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N3202W.html in 1974.
Cool....they used a virtual reality device at 15:07 (wish I knew how to create a link)
They missed a hell of a VFR into IMC opportunity with the Jarvis' here... the joy's of flying.
At least his wife wasn’t having scotch and serapax for brekky lol 😂