Small correction: TDP is THERMAL design power ... how much power the heatsink system needs to dissipate ... the actual power consumption for AMD is name PPT - package power tracking.
I'm genuinely thinking of picking up one of those MinisForum units as my primary PC. Nope, not kiddin'. I only need internet access & something that will play back my music & video files at this juncture...and these little mini PCs seem to be far far FAR more than capable of doing both extremely well.
even low end models can handle it very easily. I have a low end model with a 4500U (from GenMachine) and it's so performatic that I could even use it for development work. But I ended up buying a GTR7 Pro with a 7940HS for work, as I decided to go full beast mode.
@@rekcahY I'm really into HiFi....so I also like the idea of a tiny little PC that leaves more room for audio components. :) EDIT: Some of these minis are small enough that you could strap them to the back of your tv w/ some velcro...
I have done this, but I also still have a desktop gaming PC...which I connect to using Sunshine and Moonlight. I've got some weird jitter that I need to tune out of this, but other than that this setup works EXTREMELY well, and even uses less power at idle over having both my 1440 ultrawide monitors connected to the gaming PC (which pushes up the memory clock on the GPU and causes higher idle wattage, go figure).
I've been fooling around with the various methods to bump the performance of my 6800u for a while, and the results have always been underwhelming or imperceptible. This is the first method that has produced a clear and obvious gain. Thanks!!
thanks ETA Prime. It may sound like a simple statement to say "thanks" but i feel like your contribution to handheld scene is immeasurable. Thanks for everything!
Using this, I'm pushing my i5-8257U / Iris Plus 645 (which is limited to 15W) to 20W and it works very well. Temps are alright, sitting below 80°C. Before, I used to set my maximum boost to 20W in bios, so it would run at 20W for a few seconds before going back to 15W. Now it just runs at 20W all the time, with a decent improvement on clocks when both CPU and GPU are taxed.
@@ThibautMahringer not an expert on this... sorry. but there's many guides on the internet! also just use throttlestop LOL it's literally made for Intel cpus
@@ThibautMahringer also DO NOT update ur bios, most if not all OEMs now lock down voltage control in laptops using bios updates. if already updated, try to flash an older version.
@@RadChromeDude I'm not using a laptop, I'm using a miniPC. Since it's not from any kind of reputable brand, I never got any bios update through Windows Update. So I should be fine.
In Genshin Impact I have to lover my iGPU down to 2100MHz to get more FPS. My GMKtec K1 (6800H) is set to 45W. This way the iGPU doesn't throttle and gives a smoother gaming experience.
This was a great resource for me. I've been trying to tweak my OneXplayer Mini AMD 5800u, and this video helped me to unlock some power. I was able to get up to 48 watts on the CPU Z stress test, but after hitting 95c, it would drop down to about 36-37 watts. Still, that's more power than it used to get, and it may reach 48 watts on certain games that do not raise the temps so much. Thanks a bunch ETA Prime! You're the best!
Yes, but these little boxes don't have adequate cooling for that power input. That is why they are limited in their TDP. because they cannot cool as much heat for those watts
@@dj4monie It depends on the user. Some will be playing all the time and others won't even play. But if it is powered with more watts than its cooling system can handle, we could have an overheating problem.
This works brilliantly on the Rog ally! I can run a constant 30w on battery and a constant 40w plugged in. I'd say running 40w all the time is about the max you can go because of the temps. The software I found a bit wierd as you can't really tell if your preset is on unless you check realtime information, also is the only way to turn off the preset is to close the program rather than an off button. I also can't find any way to control the fans? But I like it 👍🏻
@@josephl3602 What I do is set manual mode fan speed to 100% on both fans from 30°c so when you select manual mode fans just go crazy straight away then set your tdp to 40 or even 50 and the device stay at around 88°c which is fine
@@dylanallen7720 I stopped using it because your right after about 5 minutes it would go back to 30w which is pointless. I want a way of it staying at 40w all the time but haven't found a way
Just a word of caution: YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL DOING THIS!! I didn't think there was any risk of geniune harm to my computer, but using one of the recommended presets, I fried my SSD. I thought my entire computer had broken. You need to be extremely careful doing this. I'm not saying it can't be great for some people, but it doesn't take much.
Would be great to know how much gain this really provides for handhelds like rog ally. Something tells me it is not worth it, and it will definitely help components degrade way faster
At 7:48 it looks like you can key in the values without having to use the sliders. Those sliders should automatically adjust their relative positions after you've typed in the numbers for each power level.
Can anyone tell me how do i set it to automatically use and apply the profile i have setup before. The app starts by systemstartup, but no profile is running. What am i missing here?
this seems to have no effect on my minisforum em780. I've followed the steps on this video. is there anything else i need to do first in order for the tuning to work? thanks for all the great content bro!
Just wondering beyond the 10 FPS increase the average frame rate how does the increase TDP help with the one percent lows because from the Time Spy graph it looks like you get much more stable clock speed so I wonder if you’re getting a much more stable frame time graph too
BTW, does this utility only affect the APU and not the discrete GPU of a laptop. I have a Dell G5 SE 5505 (4800H, 5600M) 2022 model. It's running hot, hot hot. (Ambient 20-22C) When playing World of Warships (IIRC it shouldn't be that taxing on the laptop) 5600M can run up to 90-95C. 4800H can run to 95C. FPS will drop from 100's to 20's. Like WTF. Maybe it's because the tech didn't repaste the heatsinks when he replaced my KB and SSD under warranty. Would love your advice, many thanks.
Does this software have to boot with windows to apply these settings every time? I'm guessing so. Tired it but It still won't pull more than 45W. It is more than capable. I have the GMTek k4 and it will throttle at 50 watts blazing 95c then die to 45 watts again.
Lenovo laptop users that don't want such granularity of tweaking can rely con Lenovo Vantage (I'm going to get some dirty looks by saying this). Using Silent Thermal Mode makes y Ryzen 7 5800H go between 30 - 40W, while Balanced and Performance Thermal Modes make it go up to 60W (temps go to 98 degrees, and fans go to 100%).
I think this tool triggers battleye and kicks me out from destiny 2 while playing campaign :( Also how can i edit the presets? Or just knowing the data would be helpful. I mean i know it shows --tctl-temp=95 --cHTC-temp=95 --apu-skin-temp=95 --stapm-limit=18000 etc...stats, but there is no info about voltage for example. Or presets dont alter anything else besides those lines shown?
what about the temperatures when you set it 65W after let`s say 30 minutes of gaming? does the CPU throttle or it overheats and decreases performance? I heard that UM790 pro cooling solution is good but can it handle 65W without any issues?
AMD has a time based limit. When after a time of gaming the limit is hit it will scale back to not damage the system. It is called STAMP. If your miniPC allows to change this then you can run higher forever.
I try your exact same setting on my minisforum EM680 with 6800u. hardware infor consistently show 28w-30w range despite apply 65w tpd setting on x86 tuning. no significant difference on before and after. could you try on ur em680 and share us your optimal setting please?
For me x86 tuning utility on handheld is so slow and fidgety I can't wait for an update cuz it never actually does what I tell it to do and then runs the whole system slow for no reason
5600g any recomendations on what i can get with a thermaltake axp-47 cooler 125w on an a520? i tried what you said here but at 65w, small improvements seen to scores but want more
I have an Asus Zenbook Flip 15: R7 5700u with a MX450 gpu. System RAM is 8gb @ 4266 MHz. I have yet to figure out how to get this to play much of anything. Even at 720p (has a 1080p native display), it still seems to struggle with most games.
This sounded like a good idea until my 3 screen vpinball setup I was running off this mini Ryzen ser5 5800h can not see my usb C to VGA monitor connection grrrrr
Almost doubling power consumption for a ~20% gain in performances. At first one might be disappointed... Then one gets back home, tries it, and says thank you 😉
Yeah, when I went to school it was just called "amps" in electronics class. Although we always used "I" as the shorthand in equations. The electrical class *did* use the term amperage. That was in the US, almost 30 years ago.
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Small correction: TDP is THERMAL design power ... how much power the heatsink system needs to dissipate ... the actual power consumption for AMD is name PPT - package power tracking.
I'm genuinely thinking of picking up one of those MinisForum units as my primary PC. Nope, not kiddin'. I only need internet access & something that will play back my music & video files at this juncture...and these little mini PCs seem to be far far FAR more than capable of doing both extremely well.
even low end models can handle it very easily. I have a low end model with a 4500U (from GenMachine) and it's so performatic that I could even use it for development work. But I ended up buying a GTR7 Pro with a 7940HS for work, as I decided to go full beast mode.
@@rekcahY I'm really into HiFi....so I also like the idea of a tiny little PC that leaves more room for audio components. :)
EDIT: Some of these minis are small enough that you could strap them to the back of your tv w/ some velcro...
I have done this, but I also still have a desktop gaming PC...which I connect to using Sunshine and Moonlight. I've got some weird jitter that I need to tune out of this, but other than that this setup works EXTREMELY well, and even uses less power at idle over having both my 1440 ultrawide monitors connected to the gaming PC (which pushes up the memory clock on the GPU and causes higher idle wattage, go figure).
you'll be okay with an arm/android tablet honestly
I've been fooling around with the various methods to bump the performance of my 6800u for a while, and the results have always been underwhelming or imperceptible. This is the first method that has produced a clear and obvious gain. Thanks!!
thanks ETA Prime. It may sound like a simple statement to say "thanks" but i feel like your contribution to handheld scene is immeasurable. Thanks for everything!
Yh
Using this, I'm pushing my i5-8257U / Iris Plus 645 (which is limited to 15W) to 20W and it works very well.
Temps are alright, sitting below 80°C.
Before, I used to set my maximum boost to 20W in bios, so it would run at 20W for a few seconds before going back to 15W.
Now it just runs at 20W all the time, with a decent improvement on clocks when both CPU and GPU are taxed.
u can definitely undervolt ur cpu, have u tried?
@@RadChromeDude Nope, I never even thought about undervolting it.
How much do you think I can undervolt it ?
@@ThibautMahringer not an expert on this... sorry. but there's many guides on the internet! also just use throttlestop LOL it's literally made for Intel cpus
@@ThibautMahringer also DO NOT update ur bios, most if not all OEMs now lock down voltage control in laptops using bios updates. if already updated, try to flash an older version.
@@RadChromeDude I'm not using a laptop, I'm using a miniPC.
Since it's not from any kind of reputable brand, I never got any bios update through Windows Update. So I should be fine.
Great guide, these low power APUs scale really well with power usage!
Heck yeah. Now this is an epic video.! So chock full of real world useful goodness.!
Thank you sir.! 🙏
Thank you for this guide! I was able to learn how to get the most out of my 5980HX, w/o it killing itself!
In Genshin Impact I have to lover my iGPU down to 2100MHz to get more FPS. My GMKtec K1 (6800H) is set to 45W. This way the iGPU doesn't throttle and gives a smoother gaming experience.
I have a gmk k2 and incresse tdp for 50W and have a Nice up in performance, but i put °C in 90°C só my ryzen 7735hs never burn
This was a great resource for me. I've been trying to tweak my OneXplayer Mini AMD 5800u, and this video helped me to unlock some power. I was able to get up to 48 watts on the CPU Z stress test, but after hitting 95c, it would drop down to about 36-37 watts. Still, that's more power than it used to get, and it may reach 48 watts on certain games that do not raise the temps so much. Thanks a bunch ETA Prime! You're the best!
Yes, but these little boxes don't have adequate cooling for that power input. That is why they are limited in their TDP. because they cannot cool as much heat for those watts
Are gaming constantly?
@@dj4monie It depends on the user. Some will be playing all the time and others won't even play. But if it is powered with more watts than its cooling system can handle, we could have an overheating problem.
Thx for this
Great tips
Im holding until 780m minipc goes down to $399
really boosts the cpu speed and the apu speed thanks! ryzen 3750h
I was wondering when you would make this video :) Thanks for the information!
Informative video, thanks. What would be the safe max wattage under APU power timing for the Beelink Ser5 5800H miniPC?
This works brilliantly on the Rog ally! I can run a constant 30w on battery and a constant 40w plugged in. I'd say running 40w all the time is about the max you can go because of the temps. The software I found a bit wierd as you can't really tell if your preset is on unless you check realtime information, also is the only way to turn off the preset is to close the program rather than an off button. I also can't find any way to control the fans? But I like it 👍🏻
Couldn’t you set the Ally to Manual mode and max the fans out, then apply the custom TDP? I haven’t tried it on mine, so I genuinely don’t know
That thing gets hot at 30w.
How bad is it at 40w?
@@josephl3602 What I do is set manual mode fan speed to 100% on both fans from 30°c so when you select manual mode fans just go crazy straight away then set your tdp to 40 or even 50 and the device stay at around 88°c which is fine
Doesn’t it go back to 30w after like 2 minutes without a custom bios?
@@dylanallen7720 I stopped using it because your right after about 5 minutes it would go back to 30w which is pointless. I want a way of it staying at 40w all the time but haven't found a way
Excellent work. I had always used Ryze Master (or my BIOS), but I am on a desktop. This will come in handy when I buy a handheld.
Ryzen Master doesn't work in mobile APUs
@@licenciadoleopoldocanoloza1144 if he is on a desktop he is not using a mobile cpu i think
Just a word of caution: YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL DOING THIS!! I didn't think there was any risk of geniune harm to my computer, but using one of the recommended presets, I fried my SSD. I thought my entire computer had broken. You need to be extremely careful doing this. I'm not saying it can't be great for some people, but it doesn't take much.
May I know which preset fried your SSD? Thanks!
Would be great to know how much gain this really provides for handhelds like rog ally. Something tells me it is not worth it, and it will definitely help components degrade way faster
14:05 “performance gains” what are you thinking is going to degrade besides thermal paste and the battery?
I am getting my first amd APU next week but I am unsure what AMD drivers i should be using for the 7840HS/U. Any help on that?
Super informative video. Thank you!
At 7:48 it looks like you can key in the values without having to use the sliders. Those sliders should automatically adjust their relative positions after you've typed in the numbers for each power level.
What Handheld app or combo of apps do you think works better for AyaNeo? Is AyaSpace 2 good enough or should I try another one?
14:40
Amazing BF V 1080P vs 1440p comparison dude, makes a lot of sense🤦
Can you show us what results you get on the em680m ? no matter what I do I cant get it over 35W
Can anyone tell me how do i set it to automatically use and apply the profile i have setup before. The app starts by systemstartup, but no profile is running. What am i missing here?
What is a wallpaper? Very nice!
this seems to have no effect on my minisforum em780. I've followed the steps on this video. is there anything else i need to do first in order for the tuning to work?
thanks for all the great content bro!
IF youre only Gaming it would also be useful to deactivate cpu boost since you don’t Need That much CPU power
I wonder if it would work on Linux. I run my miniforum um773 on fedora.
Just wondering beyond the 10 FPS increase the average frame rate how does the increase TDP help with the one percent lows because from the Time Spy graph it looks like you get much more stable clock speed so I wonder if you’re getting a much more stable frame time graph too
ETA, ETA, ETA...respect from South Africa
Please do one of these for linux :-)
CoreCtrl is probably the closest GUI app Linux has atm that's actively worked on, would be cool to see ETA Prime do a video showing it off for gaming
bookmarked , will be using
I have a question, can you use the universal tunning utility on ryzen 7000 series apu?
BTW, does this utility only affect the APU and not the discrete GPU of a laptop.
I have a Dell G5 SE 5505 (4800H, 5600M) 2022 model.
It's running hot, hot hot.
(Ambient 20-22C)
When playing World of Warships (IIRC it shouldn't be that taxing on the laptop)
5600M can run up to 90-95C.
4800H can run to 95C.
FPS will drop from 100's to 20's.
Like WTF.
Maybe it's because the tech didn't repaste the heatsinks when he replaced my KB and SSD under warranty.
Would love your advice, many thanks.
Could we get a video about the core optimization on this program? How is it able to do it without needing to unlock the bios?
Does this software have to boot with windows to apply these settings every time? I'm guessing so. Tired it but It still won't pull more than 45W. It is more than capable. I have the GMTek k4 and it will throttle at 50 watts blazing 95c then die to 45 watts again.
Anything for Linux analogous to the Universal x86 Tuning Utility?
cpufreq
Can you make one of these videos for mini PCs with the the discreet graphics cards? I have the morefine m600s
That em680 is crazy
um790? em680 is severely power limited
Lenovo laptop users that don't want such granularity of tweaking can rely con Lenovo Vantage (I'm going to get some dirty looks by saying this). Using Silent Thermal Mode makes y Ryzen 7 5800H go between 30 - 40W, while Balanced and Performance Thermal Modes make it go up to 60W (temps go to 98 degrees, and fans go to 100%).
nope, they're not looking at all...
Mini PC's Normally I would approve of this but on handhelds not more than 35 since they don't have the same heatsink or cooling system
Ive used this on my 2500u for a long time. Old generic poorly ventilated HP laptop.
Presets are there for 2500u
I think this tool triggers battleye and kicks me out from destiny 2 while playing campaign :(
Also how can i edit the presets? Or just knowing the data would be helpful. I mean i know it shows --tctl-temp=95 --cHTC-temp=95 --apu-skin-temp=95 --stapm-limit=18000 etc...stats, but there is no info about voltage for example. Or presets dont alter anything else besides those lines shown?
I need help. Downloaded the program. applied. but nothing happens. iam at acer swift edge 16
what about the temperatures when you set it 65W after let`s say 30 minutes of gaming? does the CPU throttle or it overheats and decreases performance? I heard that UM790 pro cooling solution is good but can it handle 65W without any issues?
AMD has a time based limit. When after a time of gaming the limit is hit it will scale back to not damage the system. It is called STAMP. If your miniPC allows to change this then you can run higher forever.
on google it says my mini pc's max tdp 54W but my power supply says 19W == 5A so that means 19x5 is 95... is it ok i set it up higher than 54??
trying to run 80w and 85w the stres test showe me 60w its a umu 780 xtx, but when testing extrem i get 70w confused what am i doing wrong
so is this application better than what amd provides with it's amd ryzen master app for cpu's
I'm on an ASUS laptop with Armoury Crate. Will this program over ride it or does Armoury Crate need to be uninstalled?
What is the really small pc on the bottom left?? I don't think he said the model names of any of them.
I try your exact same setting on my minisforum EM680 with 6800u. hardware infor consistently show 28w-30w range despite apply 65w tpd setting on x86 tuning. no significant difference on before and after. could you try on ur em680 and share us your optimal setting please?
does this work with the steam deck too? :)
whats the name of the smallest mini pc you hold in your hand at 48sec in this video?
Prime, thank you.
Is there a way to get the values to stay all the time rather than just 1024 seconds?
Runtime 7.0.0 doesn’t work and keeps me stranded
You said at the beginning of the video, that this works for ryzen 3000 and later. So that implies that my 2500u isn't compatible?
This is interesting..
I wonder if this works on a Larkbox pro?
For me x86 tuning utility on handheld is so slow and fidgety I can't wait for an update cuz it never actually does what I tell it to do and then runs the whole system slow for no reason
it does not work. My laptop already has the option to control TDP in the bios tho
I have a Hades Canyon Intel NUC. The one with the Vega chipset in it. Will this work on that as well?
Is it gonna reduce the parts lifetime?
yes
@@MrDeicide1only if you don't keep things cool
Is this any good for a steam deck with windows?
Does this work with Linux distributions? trying to find an alternative to Ryzen Master
Would this program work with the legion go? and would the settings stick ?
5600g any recomendations on what i can get with a thermaltake axp-47 cooler 125w on an a520? i tried what you said here but at 65w, small improvements seen to scores but want more
I've got Dell Inspiron 7530u and the utility will only apply lower TDP. If I tried higher it would stay the same as before, 35w max. Any idea why?
I followed this step by step but its still on 35w for me
I have an Asus Zenbook Flip 15: R7 5700u with a MX450 gpu. System RAM is 8gb @ 4266 MHz. I have yet to figure out how to get this to play much of anything. Even at 720p (has a 1080p native display), it still seems to struggle with most games.
So double the power consumption for 10% increase in performance
Is that smaller mini PC in the beginning a newer lark box?
Thanks ETA Prime but am wondering if this would work with the ROG Ally
Unfortunately this utility cannot set the minimum cores, rpcs3 runs great with 5.
Ah, I see.
Just a small question:
...What??!!
Can you try this with the OneXFly then put it up against the Rog Ally in docked mode!?
It won't let me download from that site. It just keeps spinning & spinning.
What handheld portable unit are you using?
Hey I have a amd ryzen 7 5700u is it OK to have at 65 wats?
Question does handheld bypass charging when plugged to the wall so i can maximize the tdp?
do you have a guide for the em680? i think it aint capable of going really high given its form factor
This sounded like a good idea until my 3 screen vpinball setup I was running off this mini Ryzen ser5 5800h can not see my usb C to VGA monitor connection grrrrr
wow thanks
Hey ETA....I have a x300 deskmini would this work for that also with a 5600G?
Beast Mode 2.0
Did you buy them a beer?
can you give us a link for your wallpaper pls
Still plays at low settings :(
Is there any way to do something like this if you are running batocera?
Does precision boost overdrive work on 7840u?
Almost doubling power consumption for a ~20% gain in performances. At first one might be disappointed... Then one gets back home, tries it, and says thank you 😉
im happy with my steam deck set at 8w TDP
This doesn't work with Intel N95 processor.
I do find it weird that he calls current as "amperage"; although they're the same thing, i just don't often hear it it being called as such.
Yeah, when I went to school it was just called "amps" in electronics class. Although we always used "I" as the shorthand in equations. The electrical class *did* use the term amperage. That was in the US, almost 30 years ago.
says hardware info page does not exist
W Prime!
Doesn't work on my thinkbook 6800hs
Etaprime where download this wallpaper with logo amd??
it works only in APU? I mean can I try in RX6600M?