"You don't understand Bungie's genius - The Library was meant to be long, to push you to your limits!" Bungie: "Lol we made this level way too long ahaha"
@@pierreo33 they said in the video that it was originally supposed to be more fun and you saw the index the whole time but some limitation happened so they walled the staircase off and just put elevators and they accidentally made it too long during play testing
I love Marty interjecting every few minutes with "guys guys this is where my music comes in remember!" "Yes Marty we know, you made us cut important dialogue so it wouldn't play over yo-" "Stop talking this song is great! DUN DUN DU-DUUUUUH!"
Imagine being the dude who made the halo soundtrack.... thats probably his greatest life accomplishment At least I'm assuming because , how do you top that ??
*murders marines right at the start of the level* “Oh please at least let them turn their flashlights on, it took me so long to code them to do that.....”
To be fair, these guys poured the souls into this game for a couple years. The speedrunner said, "Nah, I'll make it an hour." That has got to be heart breaking.
In the dev commentary back in 2010 or something, they explain that the cave was meant to be a combat area. The banshees shoo you into it, and as you fight further it turns into forerunner.
Instead of Cortana yelling about the Chief going rampant if you kill the bridge crew on PoA, it should just be this guy muttering "Marty, he's killin' the marines!"
Even though its so old now I still feel its got more weight to it then newer shoots for the mechanics I loved the old walk also just storm forward especially to the music I must have played it 15 times at least
"Marty, he's killin the marines!" "H-how am I supposed to respond to that again?" This is easily the most entertaining reaction I've seen from developers for a game.
Yeah, I also noted that they said we were supposed to be able to see the Index the whole time, and descend into the nine circles of hell, or some big spiral thing, but they couldn't do it. I would have loved to have seen that, but hardware limitations made the library what it is, and the entire circular design of the level with multiple floors really added to the scale of the structure regardless. If I could mod this game, I wouldn't change a thing, except perhaps have a more obvious physical or light bridge barrier around the Index, so the Flood can't just grab a Banshee and take it. The fact that the developers made the encounters so different, with Rocket Flood, Carrier Forms, and so on, with so little to work with, and so many corridors is amazing. I played one of Bungie's older games; Pathways into Darkness, and the geometry of The Library is leaps and bounds ahead of the randomly generated, and not-so-random mazes they were doing with sprites. Also, the texture for the elevators was beautiful, the chapter transitions and title cards added some much needed humour, and Anniversary and the MCC ruined it; although at the same time, I am glad that I no longer get lost in the levels because of the arrows they borrowed from Assault on the Control Room/Two Betrayals. We could have used that on the Truth and Reconciliation. Then William C. Dietz played the level on Normal (?), and added so much more by just piecing together what was on the level, and creating tension and horror he excels at in the novelization. I also note that Bungie and 343i forgot the lesson imparted by the Library. The same 30 seconds of fun over and over and OVER and OVER and OVER and _over_ and _OVER_ again really does not bloody work. See Halo 4 and the Prometheans for examples.
My favorite level and the devs would have butchered it if they hadn't been so immersed in production. Guess I know why I dont enjoy games as much anymore.
its actually more interesting hearing them speaking about there time working on the game and being nostalgic about there work rather than actually commenting on the speed run itself
“Marty he’s killing the Marines!” HAS to be a inside joke between the guy who said it and Marty. And Marty forgot about the 20 year old inside joke they shared. ☹️
Marty is the sound guy and everyone else on this call is a veteran game dev. The more cynical devs on the call are mocking Marty because he lacks the depth of knowledge about this game and game design in general. It's obvious to everyone else in the call why the speed runner is killing the marines, but suddenly Marty, the sound "designer", chimes in with "OMG gUyS TheYrE kiLLiNG the MaRINes?!?!?". This is probably pretty frustrating for the (actual) game developers on the call, who are eager to explore how the speed runner is breaking the game engine. Meanwhile, Marty is like 'GuYs Isn'T it SUCH a bUMMer hOw wE cAn'T hEar mY sCoRe BeCause tHe VoLumE is OFF?!?'
Thank you IGN, very cool! The dev reactions were really funny and I learned a couple things. Never knew the Maw warthog was faster than a regular warthog.
I mean they worked alot on it, if you seen the dev commentary back in 2007, it's on RUclips btw Joe especially had nightmares dealing with the cutscene Alot had to do with his own recorded input, so he was controlling all of them all in Real time and recording it. Scripts weren't done, have but few.
Honestly it explains why they always land so close to the ground when dropping off troops.. Also explains why they literally freeze in the air when they stop to let the dudes out, cuz they're literally just pausing the playback animation...
I dont think this is true, or at least wasn't, or currently isn't? I know I've seen Bungies credits in there. I believe 343s credits come up, then Bungies.
At the time, since this was 20ish years ago, game devs were still more considered nerds, geeks, basement dwellers, the whole bit. This is why you never listen to what anyone says and just do your own freaking thing.
Imagine being these guys, being the person who created the games millions of people would go onto love. These dudes have literal memories of designing these levels and dialog and cut scenes which are now forever enshrined. Something we can't imagine.
I miss when game developers were passionate about what they made instead of just finding something to do that pays. If only we could have a group as great as them making the Halo games instead of the souless 343 Incompetencies.
@@alexanderrobins7497 don't forget their own beliefs in making games All of that combined made it that much greater. Jaime with his 30 sec of fun Joe with his cinematic and perfectionist or OCD Marty wanting the feeling to seep into the player and smooth transition I can't rmb wad Paul one was, but every1 of them all had core beliefs that acted as the pillars of the game design
Actually, I wish Jen Taylor was also participating in this react video. I don't think we've ever heard her side of Halo's development. And it's especially weird considering she's been with this series the longest along with Frankie O' Connor.
@@KezJUNGLIST Yup, included as part of the Halo 3 special edition and its up on RUclips though its only cutscenes. They've done it for Halo 1 and 2 and Reach but not 3 or ODST unfortunately.
He put a video up on his RUclips channel that documented him making that song and the ideas behind it. I think everyone is shocked to learn that it’s actually him. I would highly recommend his RUclips channel for behind the scenes halo stuff
It’s just his name Marty O’Donnell. Go to the search function on his channel and type in under the cover of night, which is the name of the song. His channel is awesome, it gives me such nostalgia throw back memories. Halo CE-ODST were truly special times and I find myself wanting to relive those years a lot recently
It's going to be super hard to beat that record, especially by a large margin unless a new skip is found. I bet he can do it, but the record breaking might slow down a little bit. We will see.
The reason he switches to anniversary graphics when he glitches through the map is because it’s easier to see the geometry in anniversary mode than in classic. You can see more easily where you’re supposed to go.
That's how they were able to make some of the most fun FPS games of all time. It's a shame all the popular FPS games today are just hardcore competitive. Halo definitely had a serious competitive scene, but it's the casual modes and goofing around with friends that made Halo so popular and beloved. FPS games in general have just gotten way too serious over the past 5 years or so, even Halo 5.
As a lifelong halo fan this is absolutely a GEM to watch. From watching the runner absolutely destroy a game that use to take me days to complete *especially on legendary* and make it seem like a cake walk To hearing the actual creators talk about the game that defined my teenage years as magically as i hoped they would This makes me so nostalgic lol
Love how dorky and wholesome all these old once young and full of passion guys are. Really gives a peek in how it was back then and how they interacted back in those years
it's jarring when it just cuts back to the main menu in this version. The credits with the music were much nicer than being right back in main menu after you save the universe
I wouldn't mind seeing this for halo 2, 3, and ODST. I actually would want to also see a version where they go through the campaign themselves and talk about it. Kinda like what was done with Lord of the Rings.
Doing something akin to what recently happened where a dude took one of the old Dead Space devs through remake would be great for some of the old Halo devs. Seriously, if these guys just ran a weekly stream of playing through the campaign and just chatting about Halo or whatever, I'd invest in it.
It'd be awesome if they reacted to InfernoPlus's Cursed Halo too, just because it would be interesting to see them react to what he did to their beloved game
Look up the Halo ce and Halo 2 dev walkthroughs. They are kinda long but alot of neat stories from the making of those games. Idk if Halo 3 has one cuz they already did alot of vidoc's for H3
@1993DJC they mentioned it was a performance (perf) issue. sounds like the xbox or engine wouldnt had been able to handle that large of an unbroken interior space. they wouldnt have been able to get away with their normal optimizing tricks like BSP swaps without somehow breaking line of sight through the level
I appreciate their wonderful, reasonable, mature balance of being proud of their achievements and what they like in their creations, while also acknowledging with humility their mistakes and lessons learned along the way years later.
I personally wouldn't say it's too long of a level, there are longer missions in ce. I think the library was a decent length but it's far too repetitive, and this is coming from someone who loves the library, actually think it's a fun mission personally. But I can admit it's tedious and repetitive.
I like the lenght of it because its gameplay is unique and fun and it's a nice break from the previous levels into something more challenging and survival oriented. The dance you have with the enemies is different, it's really important to decide wether to push or retreat based on rng and your resources and what target to kill first, it's really momentum based, in comparison to other levels. Some flood waves really get your blood flowing, although some walking sections are useless. Still better than the hell that Keys first part is. PoA is based on firepower and planning and tutorials Halo is based on area control on large scale T&R is based on skill, tactics and control on smaller scale SR is based on exploration and offensive approach AotCR is based on combat arenas and veichle combat 343GS is based on spooks and ambushes Library is based on momentum and survival TB is based on adaptation Keys is based on retreating and being careful of your position and spawns The Maw is based on constant forward pushing and finishing the fight
There's a dev commentary on the Halo CE cutscenes, in which it's described how Marty saved Halo, twice. They had to do the same thing with Chief in cutscenes, so his movement is kind of janky because they were recording mouse look and using that at playback for the cutscenes.
I love how they still remember who did what part of the game almost 20 years after release. Thanks for letting us take part in this, very enjoyable to watch.
This is so damn cool, best developer commentary I’ve ever watched. I hope these guys know their hard work defined what gaming was for me for decades to come.
halo lore fans: the blue lights seen throughout forerunnner structures may have been powered using a technique involving creating pocket universes and harvesting them for energy halo devs: hey marcus you made those uhh blue thingies right? 39:00
Best answer is either: A. Thruster stabilization after the autumn impact B. Data pockets (did you know it's faster for the government to fly multiple terabytes of data from one place to another than to send the data over the internet? Same basic idea)
"This game is not as airtight as I thought it was" is a fairly accurate summation of watching other people play the games you make. It's always nice to see devs reactions to people doing all kinds of weird and wonderful things with their creation
I wouldn't like a normal alien game but this. This was just amazing. They nailed specially whole map design, I'd never imagine how aliens look and put a green fellow with black eyes.
This was the most wholesome "Devs React" that I've seen. Just old friends reminiscing old times. ...And of course freaking out, that this guy is missing most of their hardwork XD
For anyone curious enough about why T&R stops early, it's because when you skip to the third level in the hanger bay you also skip a huge chunk of dialogue/ events. Later on when you turn Keyes hostile, you also prevent him from doing dialogue. This (somehow, I'm not sure about specifics) makes the game think that there is nothing left to do and it ends the mission early.
@@jcdenton3512 Hardy LeBell was the first person who came to mind. He left mid way through Halo 2's development. I remember he said he also said he did not like some of the gameplay choices or something like that.
Marty and Jamie work together at high wire games, their own studio. I’m pretty sure Paul Bertone works there too. They put out a game last year and I’m hoping they announce a new game soon because those guys have extreme talent and passion
He's not using Anniversary mode to glitch out of the geometry, he needs to be in Anniversary mode to see anything when he does because in the original all you would see is grey
@@droprelease4820 not sure on the time stamp but a lot of the times he glitches into geometry and moves outside of the game space, you can see the graphics shift into a different colour scheme and texture maps. That’s because he has switched graphics to anniversary edition
@@thrivingentrepreneur you're wrong; anniversary is the same game just a different coat of paint, no physics engine difference. He chooses to change the graphics because those textures don't exist in the original graphics
I really enjoy these "dev watching speedruns" format. It's great to see them reflect on their design and choices that gave us these great pieces of art
Having just played through this game again, the fact that even the developers joked about a speedrunner going through the 343 flood part being looped footage was very validating to me.
The Del Toro script gave Master Chief a twin brother that sided with the Flood....that my friends is why Hollywood needs to leave gaming the Hell alone. Thankfully, Bungie had the integrity to say "not happening." Addendum- The end credits do not appear in the Master Chief Collection. "We've been eliminated you guys." No matter what happens, you will never be forgotten. You did things once thought impossible and presented a masterclass in game design that was only surpassed by your later works. All the "Halo killers" and pretenders to the throne have never come close. Thank you for creating this universe and sharing it with the world. You guys are truly masters of your art form.
@@protonjones54 At the end of Combat Evolved, when the Chief and Cortana are on the ship out of the ring, the Chief asks if anybody else made it. Cortana says "No, just Dust and Echoes. " Or something along those lines. To many it sounds like the only other person who made it was Dustin Echoes.
They still are amazing imo, both bungie and 343 respectively have made documented attempts to re-capture the essence of the second level of CE, and neither managed to succeed. Even Halo 3 which is almost universally loved never really raised the bar the same way CE did in 2001
😭 you won't just be dust and echos, you made the best trilogy of games of many people's childhoods, I'm going to make my future children play Halo, you created a masterpiece 😔
From the process they described in terms of what it took ("Everything had to fit together air-tight" or you'd get an error for example) it sounds like OOB was the last thing they expected to see because all the level guys it sounds like had to spend literal days of their lives making teeny tiny tweaks because their tool would say "NOPE NOT AIR TIGHT!"
I was 5 years old, and saw my mom playing Halo. The covenant scared the crap outta me. I learned how to play, beat them, and then.... I met the flood..... Thank you guys for making Halo!
Your MOM was playing this!? It always blows my mind when I hear about moms playing videogames because my mom and a lot of other moms I've seen over the years have absolutely no interest or patience for videogames
Anyone else appreciate just how much closer the OG Halo devs seem to be compared to the devs of other AAA games in this video series? They're acting like a bunch of old college buddies, it's great
31:07 when I first played this level, I always asked myself if I could get one banshee. I came to this bridge and saw that the elite that jumps into the banshee pops out behind a stone. I thought I was fast enough killing him, I could get one banshee.I did let me kill like a hundred times because I was to slow or I died from the other enemies. But then I rushed through with my pistol and I actually killed the elite with my pistol. With three health I got into that banshee and flew around like an hour or so
Same experience when I was a kid, except I always did it by throwing grenades and flipping the banshee so he couldn't get in it. I played that level just to do that and fly around in that area because I thought it was so cool.
There's actually an active camo in the stealth elite gallery right before this. If you pick it up and run straight to the Banshee there's enough time to just get in and fly away.
Halo 2 was pretty rushed. They had to remake most stuff and put it together in 14 months. It might not surprise them because they had to fix a bunch of stuff.
@@dingle2987 from what I have heard halo 1 was the same way. Like 12 months before launch everything got scraped and turned from a rpg's into fps. Or whatever is was before.
@@erichonxbox Not entirely true, but it was rushed. It was actually a third person shooter, and they had assets, but repurposed them in a rush to the finish because they were not close to a full game. Which is why the last levels use alot of repeat assets. It was only an rts for like a week or two.
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"You don't understand Bungie's genius - The Library was meant to be long, to push you to your limits!"
Bungie: "Lol we made this level way too long ahaha"
Lmao even the devs know the lvl is boring af.
@@slandgkearth It honestly felt like Microsoft told Bungie they need 10 campaign levels so they just rushed The Library
@@slandgkearth that and it had awful checkpoints in the library mission
"this video is looping, I think"
@@pierreo33 they said in the video that it was originally supposed to be more fun and you saw the index the whole time but some limitation happened so they walled the staircase off and just put elevators and they accidentally made it too long during play testing
I love Marty interjecting every few minutes with "guys guys this is where my music comes in remember!"
"Yes Marty we know, you made us cut important dialogue so it wouldn't play over yo-"
"Stop talking this song is great! DUN DUN DU-DUUUUUH!"
Well he IS right about the music being great 😉😂
Imagine being the dude who made the halo soundtrack.... thats probably his greatest life accomplishment
At least I'm assuming because , how do you top that ??
@@noblecyborg-savage By being Mick Gordon.
I love the Halo soundtrack.
finding out he is the femal vocal and not telling his other coworker till 40 days later lmfaooooo
When do they say that in the video?
ofc marty, the audio guy, has the best microphone quality.
I mean, he most likely has a recording studio costing thousands of pounds in his house, so I’d assume his mic is top of the line
took the words right out of my mouth
@@huwfollantyearl6726 damn that's a really heavy studio
@@huwfollantyearl6726 that's the joke
@@huwfollantyearl6726 What’s making the studio so heavy??
They’re memeing on a game they made 20 years ago while also sounding like a group of 20 year olds. Something’s wholesome about this lol
That's the problem. They act like 20 year old kids when they are 45+ grown adults. Their current product reflects that wholly
@@callmeshaggy5166 If you're referring to the newer games, I'm pretty sure most if not all of them did not work on them.
Apparently, devs are not allowed to have a sense of humor.
@@Kyle_Schaff no, replying to The White Recluse's comment
v can
*murders marines right at the start of the level*
“Oh please at least let them turn their flashlights on, it took me so long to code them to do that.....”
Timestamp?
Nvm 16:18
@@DanielCho1997 Thanks c:
To be fair, these guys poured the souls into this game for a couple years. The speedrunner said, "Nah, I'll make it an hour." That has got to be heart breaking.
@@jordan9604the speedrunner has probably also put a significant amount of time into the game outside of a single run lmao
"This cave is not a natural formation"
I love how even the devs chuckle at this one.
In the dev commentary back in 2010 or something, they explain that the cave was meant to be a combat area. The banshees shoo you into it, and as you fight further it turns into forerunner.
@@connorstutsman8011 "How am I supposed to respond to that?"
@@Dr_Pickle where could I listen to that?
@@samuelwillis look up Halo CE developer commentary.
The 'Devs reacting to speedruns' series is the best content IGN is putting out.
Truly
Frfrrr
It has a little something for everyone
Has or will ever
By a huge margin too
Petition to get "MARTY, HE'S KILLING THE MARINES" in Halo Infinite.
Instead of Cortana yelling about the Chief going rampant if you kill the bridge crew on PoA, it should just be this guy muttering "Marty, he's killin' the marines!"
Where can I sign?
Jesus is coming soon he loves you all please repent and accept him and don’t take that vaccine btw
Yes
@@Thowzand_ yeah sure, any moment now, aaaaaaany moment for the past 2000 years
"and this guy just blew through about a year of my life" LMAO
“At least let them turn the flash lights on” 😭
"Who came up with rocket launcher flood?"
Asking the important questions
omg these fuckers were the worst.
The question on all of our minds when doing a Legendary Library run..
@@Idonious or any run even on easy (yeah I play on easy) the rocket launcher flood have killed me many times.
Gahahaha yes SIRRRRR
@@Idonious Easily the most dreaded moment of my legendary run. The whole Library mission was rough.
I have the utmost respect for the people that made halo, if any of you guys read this thank you so much for the memories.
Even though its so old now I still feel its got more weight to it then newer shoots for the mechanics I loved the old walk also just storm forward especially to the music I must have played it 15 times at least
These guys killed it. I spent so many hours in this game. lol
@@sean7332 games nowadays are more flash and less nuance. Hope we get something like a NV successor in cyber punk!
You guys are old fans but I’m a new one I have been only playing for a year and a half but I have spent over 200 hours on halo ce
ElseAndrecool I was probably around 4 years old when I started playing halo, 19 now lol. Time is weird man
"Marty, he's killin the marines!"
"H-how am I supposed to respond to that again?"
This is easily the most entertaining reaction I've seen from developers for a game.
I see you everywhere.
Hi there
why? It's literally just some inside joke reference that only one of them even remembers
I was crying laughing when he was saying that to Marty 😂😂
Oh yeah, I thought the same thing
Halo Purists: You just don't understand the importance of "The Library"
Devs: I blame Tyson for this whole thing.
I actually enjoyed sinking into the flow in The Library, but it was pretty long.
@@emPtysp4ce According to the devs, it should have ended 1/3rd of the way in.
I saw this comment just as the devs said that line. lmao
Yeah, I also noted that they said we were supposed to be able to see the Index the whole time, and descend into the nine circles of hell, or some big spiral thing, but they couldn't do it. I would have loved to have seen that, but hardware limitations made the library what it is, and the entire circular design of the level with multiple floors really added to the scale of the structure regardless. If I could mod this game, I wouldn't change a thing, except perhaps have a more obvious physical or light bridge barrier around the Index, so the Flood can't just grab a Banshee and take it. The fact that the developers made the encounters so different, with Rocket Flood, Carrier Forms, and so on, with so little to work with, and so many corridors is amazing. I played one of Bungie's older games; Pathways into Darkness, and the geometry of The Library is leaps and bounds ahead of the randomly generated, and not-so-random mazes they were doing with sprites. Also, the texture for the elevators was beautiful, the chapter transitions and title cards added some much needed humour, and Anniversary and the MCC ruined it; although at the same time, I am glad that I no longer get lost in the levels because of the arrows they borrowed from Assault on the Control Room/Two Betrayals.
We could have used that on the Truth and Reconciliation. Then William C. Dietz played the level on Normal (?), and added so much more by just piecing together what was on the level, and creating tension and horror he excels at in the novelization.
I also note that Bungie and 343i forgot the lesson imparted by the Library. The same 30 seconds of fun over and over and OVER and OVER and OVER and _over_ and _OVER_ again really does not bloody work. See Halo 4 and the Prometheans for examples.
My favorite level and the devs would have butchered it if they hadn't been so immersed in production. Guess I know why I dont enjoy games as much anymore.
its actually more interesting hearing them speaking about there time working on the game and being nostalgic about there work rather than actually commenting on the speed run itself
me too game development is usually never talked about or documented unless they have a short documentary about it like elder scrolls 4 did.
@@846nick halo is unique because EVERYTHING is documented pretty thoroughly in one place or another.
“Marty he’s killing the Marines!”
HAS to be a inside joke between the guy who said it and Marty. And Marty forgot about the 20 year old inside joke they shared. ☹️
Poor guy just wanted to make his friend laugh haha
*TIMESTAMPS*
13:52 Marty he's killing the marines!
also 15:10
and 59:00
Marty is the sound guy and everyone else on this call is a veteran game dev. The more cynical devs on the call are mocking Marty because he lacks the depth of knowledge about this game and game design in general. It's obvious to everyone else in the call why the speed runner is killing the marines, but suddenly Marty, the sound "designer", chimes in with "OMG gUyS TheYrE kiLLiNG the MaRINes?!?!?". This is probably pretty frustrating for the (actual) game developers on the call, who are eager to explore how the speed runner is breaking the game engine. Meanwhile, Marty is like 'GuYs Isn'T it SUCH a bUMMer hOw wE cAn'T hEar mY sCoRe BeCause tHe VoLumE is OFF?!?'
@@benmcavoy8804 you’re over thinking it there my guy.
@@benmcavoy8804 he’s joking about the music dude... and he actually played a massive role in the halo games, much more than just audio
The fact that Marty can make the flood noises with his mouth is a piece of information i regret not knowing untill today
When was that???
@@TrudeaisaWEFpuppet 34:20
He wasn’t just the composer after all, he was audio director and did all character audio cues and dialogue recordings
I have so much respect for marty. Despite not working for the newer halo games he still cares about the community and its legacy.
He really has embraced it, his RUclips channel is stacked full of behind the scenes stuff and music stuff and breakdowns. He's very much Halo's #1 fan
@@Whiteythereaper Damn, that's tough and cute at the same time.
Thank you IGN, very cool! The dev reactions were really funny and I learned a couple things. Never knew the Maw warthog was faster than a regular warthog.
Keep killing it man I watch every new WR. Waiting for sub 60 minutes. Keep doing the 360 swag.
Awesome work as always Garish!!
loved seeing the devs trying to speculate how you were going to pull off some trick, "wait.. he's not supposed to be able to do that" LMAO
@@JonTostanoski fuckin nails it when I see him do it
Generalkidd did a test on it. It is NOT faster than the other warthogs in the game, it's actually slower to prevent a crash during a jump.
"We're on legendary...."
"...."
"Oh my goodness"
What time in the video was that said?? 😂😂😂
@@neltronz 9:17
Devs: Can you imagine playing this normally?
Players who beat The Library on Legendary: Yes, we still see it in our sleep
come on, the library wasnt that bad
@@phoebelovesYOU until you're going for the deathless achievement...
Not nearly as bad as sacred icon and oracle
the library was one of the easiest for me
Lmaoo
"he skipped all those cutscenes!" "are you able to skip all the cutscenes?" - devs and their precious cutscenes.
i'm pretty sure they were skipping cutscenes that you can't even normally skip
I mean they worked alot on it, if you seen the dev commentary back in 2007, it's on RUclips btw
Joe especially had nightmares dealing with the cutscene
Alot had to do with his own recorded input, so he was controlling all of them all in Real time and recording it.
Scripts weren't done, have but few.
tbh. if a game showes unskippable cutscenes in my face, i generaly ust uninstall and refund the game^^
@@gampie13 lol replaying Jedi: Fallen Order after seeing every cutscene 100 times and being forced to sit through every single one
cutscenes are glorious
Paul wants to have the same feeling like back in the day and brought that 2001 mic back for this video nice xD
😂😂😂😂
It is beautiful
Right, felt like the video was a little over a decade old when i started watching
The fact they flew the dropships and didn't use A.I. to do it is fascinating. I never would have guessed.
And I also didn't know that Marty did the flood sounds.
Honestly it explains why they always land so close to the ground when dropping off troops..
Also explains why they literally freeze in the air when they stop to let the dudes out, cuz they're literally just pausing the playback animation...
Most fascinating fact for me
Love how rooster teeth then went on to use the same method for red vs blue serise
Imagine after all those hundreds of hours of work, your credits are gone from the Master Chief collection. They're surprisingly chill about it.
@@Dylan-pt1iv $uicideboy$ art album with Germ
I dont think this is true, or at least wasn't, or currently isn't?
I know I've seen Bungies credits in there. I believe 343s credits come up, then Bungies.
@@charlesmaclellan8124no, they don't have bungie or 343 credits they've never been in mcc
@@crashbash8549 So there's no credits at all in the game?
It may of been at their own request, is probably why
Imagine being 22 and being one of the key devs of one of the best game franchise.
At the time, since this was 20ish years ago, game devs were still more considered nerds, geeks, basement dwellers, the whole bit. This is why you never listen to what anyone says and just do your own freaking thing.
No one knew how successful Halo would become. 20 years later, and still going strong.
It's interesting to think about.
@@QueenofSilence101 until 343 killed it
It was about time to recognize Jaime's work, what an absolute legend
Imagine being these guys, being the person who created the games millions of people would go onto love. These dudes have literal memories of designing these levels and dialog and cut scenes which are now forever enshrined. Something we can't imagine.
I swear the halo devs were and still are just a bunch of kids. I wouldn’t want anything different.
We'll never see anything like it ever again 😢
Sadly they all split. We need more devs loving what they're doing
I miss when game developers were passionate about what they made instead of just finding something to do that pays. If only we could have a group as great as them making the Halo games instead of the souless 343 Incompetencies.
@@alexanderrobins7497 don't forget their own beliefs in making games
All of that combined made it that much greater.
Jaime with his 30 sec of fun
Joe with his cinematic and perfectionist or OCD
Marty wanting the feeling to seep into the player and smooth transition
I can't rmb wad Paul one was, but every1 of them all had core beliefs that acted as the pillars of the game design
Actually, I wish Jen Taylor was also participating in this react video. I don't think we've ever heard her side of Halo's development. And it's especially weird considering she's been with this series the longest along with Frankie O' Connor.
I want to see the halo devs to a proper playthrough of CE. From start to finish.
im fairly certain there was a developer commentary done ages ago
@@KezJUNGLIST Yup, included as part of the Halo 3 special edition and its up on RUclips though its only cutscenes. They've done it for Halo 1 and 2 and Reach but not 3 or ODST unfortunately.
There was one years ago. I remember back in AOTCS they were talking about crazy Cortana as early as back then even lol.
its been done, foo
yessssssssss
This was worth waching for the revelation that Marty did the "female" singing in Under Cover of Darkness alone
He put a video up on his RUclips channel that documented him making that song and the ideas behind it. I think everyone is shocked to learn that it’s actually him. I would highly recommend his RUclips channel for behind the scenes halo stuff
L-M-F-A-O that is awesome
@@ianhall6614 Whats his RUclips channel?
@@ianhall6614 but he was joking right? There's no way that's actually him
It’s just his name Marty O’Donnell. Go to the search function on his channel and type in under the cover of night, which is the name of the song. His channel is awesome, it gives me such nostalgia throw back memories. Halo CE-ODST were truly special times and I find myself wanting to relive those years a lot recently
"Do you actually move faster by jumping" 20 years later the devs havent figured that out
They didn't play alot of oblivion since it didn't exist yet lmao but morrowind
this why the are always bad players
Bungie devs grew up with games where bhopping was a valid speedrun technique
10:11 "This cave is not a natural formation" THANK YOU MARTY HAHAH YES love it
Marty has been getting so active with the community, it's great. The Garish gameplay is unmatched too, until he beats it next week.
By a whole minute I bet
The underbreath comments and stuff
It's going to be super hard to beat that record, especially by a large margin unless a new skip is found. I bet he can do it, but the record breaking might slow down a little bit. We will see.
The reason he switches to anniversary graphics when he glitches through the map is because it’s easier to see the geometry in anniversary mode than in classic. You can see more easily where you’re supposed to go.
It's not really easier. It's impossible to see in old graphics.
The truth is that in the anniversary graphics the entire map is rendered while in the classics it does it in parts
Which time spot? I watched and think i missed it
@@droprelease4820 Every time Garish goes out of the map he switches to anniversary.
@@kaddasixseven3581 thus, easier
OG bungie developers are always the funniest dudes, I swear
Yes you are right
Shame they didn’t have Joe or Jason, they were great in the developer commentary.
@@capnkaba Oh for sure, that dev commentary is so funny
The developer commentaries are absolutely hilarious
That's how they were able to make some of the most fun FPS games of all time. It's a shame all the popular FPS games today are just hardcore competitive. Halo definitely had a serious competitive scene, but it's the casual modes and goofing around with friends that made Halo so popular and beloved. FPS games in general have just gotten way too serious over the past 5 years or so, even Halo 5.
As a lifelong halo fan this is absolutely a GEM to watch.
From watching the runner absolutely destroy a game that use to take me days to complete *especially on legendary* and make it seem like a cake walk
To hearing the actual creators talk about the game that defined my teenage years as magically as i hoped they would
This makes me so nostalgic lol
Its also sad because the recent Halo game dont have this special touch by their creators, do it will never reach that level of nostalgia, sadly
Love how dorky and wholesome all these old once young and full of passion guys are. Really gives a peek in how it was back then and how they interacted back in those years
"You're not supposed to be able to do that." - every developer ever
Because in theory you are usnually not supposed to be able to do it this quickly
Sakurai: No, this isn't the way your supposed to play the game
@@annonymous7286 lol
It's crazy that even with all the speedrunning strats, The Library is still like a fifth of the run
I love Marty pointing out that they removed all the credits in master chief collection
Yeah I'm glad Marty has no problem telling it like it is in regards to Bungie and the MCC
it's jarring when it just cuts back to the main menu in this version. The credits with the music were much nicer than being right back in main menu after you save the universe
343 removed their own message/credits at the end of halo 4, it was a weird choice
Im hoping there's a mod on PC that includes the credits.
Isn't the credits for all of them in the extras menu or something?
I love how Marty acts like we haven't memorized the soundtrack and where they trigged completely.
And vice versa. Put on Three Gates, I can visualize every single trigger when I hear that track.
I wouldn't mind seeing this for halo 2, 3, and ODST. I actually would want to also see a version where they go through the campaign themselves and talk about it. Kinda like what was done with Lord of the Rings.
Except with even more dorking around, I'd love that
Doing something akin to what recently happened where a dude took one of the old Dead Space devs through remake would be great for some of the old Halo devs. Seriously, if these guys just ran a weekly stream of playing through the campaign and just chatting about Halo or whatever, I'd invest in it.
You can watch the development commentary of their games, specially Halo CE and Halo 2 with Marty O'Donnell, Joe Staten and Jason Jones
It'd be awesome if they reacted to InfernoPlus's Cursed Halo too, just because it would be interesting to see them react to what he did to their beloved game
Look up the Halo ce and Halo 2 dev walkthroughs. They are kinda long but alot of neat stories from the making of those games. Idk if Halo 3 has one cuz they already did alot of vidoc's for H3
I love how they realize the Library is waay to long lol
I got so much satisfaction out of that, the Library was always my least favorite level because of how long and repetitive it was
@1993DJC they mentioned it was a performance (perf) issue. sounds like the xbox or engine wouldnt had been able to handle that large of an unbroken interior space. they wouldnt have been able to get away with their normal optimizing tricks like BSP swaps without somehow breaking line of sight through the level
I appreciate their wonderful, reasonable, mature balance of being proud of their achievements and what they like in their creations, while also acknowledging with humility their mistakes and lessons learned along the way years later.
I personally wouldn't say it's too long of a level, there are longer missions in ce. I think the library was a decent length but it's far too repetitive, and this is coming from someone who loves the library, actually think it's a fun mission personally. But I can admit it's tedious and repetitive.
I like the lenght of it because its gameplay is unique and fun and it's a nice break from the previous levels into something more challenging and survival oriented.
The dance you have with the enemies is different, it's really important to decide wether to push or retreat based on rng and your resources and what target to kill first, it's really momentum based, in comparison to other levels.
Some flood waves really get your blood flowing, although some walking sections are useless. Still better than the hell that Keys first part is.
PoA is based on firepower and planning and tutorials
Halo is based on area control on large scale
T&R is based on skill, tactics and control on smaller scale
SR is based on exploration and offensive approach
AotCR is based on combat arenas and veichle combat
343GS is based on spooks and ambushes
Library is based on momentum and survival
TB is based on adaptation
Keys is based on retreating and being careful of your position and spawns
The Maw is based on constant forward pushing and finishing the fight
"He skipped the cortana and the giant hand grenade"
I KNEW IT WAS TOO BIG IN THAT CUTSCENE
@1:02:30 :)
8:44 - The devs had to fly the dropships themselves and record the input, that's amazing lol
Could you release a mod, cheet-code, or DLC, that allows us to fly them the same way?
There's a dev commentary on the Halo CE cutscenes, in which it's described how Marty saved Halo, twice. They had to do the same thing with Chief in cutscenes, so his movement is kind of janky because they were recording mouse look and using that at playback for the cutscenes.
I'm 36 and hearing the voices of these legends talk about my favorite game of all time brought some tears to my eyes.
Damn you were a teenager when the first halo came out
I love how they still remember who did what part of the game almost 20 years after release. Thanks for letting us take part in this, very enjoyable to watch.
This is so damn cool, best developer commentary I’ve ever watched. I hope these guys know their hard work defined what gaming was for me for decades to come.
Marty: "Look at this kid, he isn't even smiling!"
Marty, Garish is Finnish. We don't smile.
But then again Americans are known for their smiling and how much they do it compared to most countries. It's a cultural thing
Americans: ☺️
Finns: 😐
117 likes! Oh not anymore
SISU 🇫🇮
Was hoping Marty would say "Smile, would you? While we still got something to smile about!"
best phrase in mankind history “Marty he’s killing the marines!”
@CommandoDude You sound exactly like my older brother, except he called me a sociopath instead of a psycho
Nah it's "IT'S HOG KILLING TIME"
@CommandoDude ngl i do it sometimes to take their ammo XD
Marines in CE exist to be either warthog gunners or ammo mules. They have no other purpose
@@fenfrostpaws2000 they were bred for a sole purpose
15:11 MARTY HES KILLING THE MARINES!
*TIMESTAMPS*
13:52 Marty he's killing the marines!
also 15:10
and 59:00
@@alvzcizzler 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Paul Russel :)
@@alvzcizzler also 35:30 lol
brief bit at 58:59 as well
The chemistry between these guys are amazing.
They’re like what happens if the robotics club all became actually legit cool 20 years later and they can finally vibe 😂
Reason why they made badass games. Soul brotha. Something missing in alot of entertainment now.
I got legit chills hearing these guys again, i miss the old bungie.
They NEED to react to the Halo 2 speedrun, they would have their mind blown.
Fr
"Sword Flying" intensifies
This gave me such a warm feeling, old friends reunited for this speedrun, and I was actually sad at the end when they said goodbye..
I’m sure they still talk
And at the beginning one of them says they're just here to talk
31:30 always has me rolling with them stammering and trying to understand whats going on, and then Marty finally going "WHAT DID HE DO?!?"
halo lore fans: the blue lights seen throughout forerunnner structures may have been powered using a technique involving creating pocket universes and harvesting them for energy
halo devs: hey marcus you made those uhh blue thingies right?
39:00
Best answer is either:
A. Thruster stabilization after the autumn impact
B. Data pockets (did you know it's faster for the government to fly multiple terabytes of data from one place to another than to send the data over the internet? Same basic idea)
Paul Russel is still living in 2001 judging by that mic quality
One guys mic and internet connection is from the year when Halo launched 🤣
LMAO
He sounded like Caboose from Season 1!
yes he so did
Skips half a level: convo continues
Does a simple nade jump: holy moly he got through that door faster.
"This game is not as airtight as I thought it was" is a fairly accurate summation of watching other people play the games you make.
It's always nice to see devs reactions to people doing all kinds of weird and wonderful things with their creation
These are the guys that created many peoples childhood what they were and made so many memories possible, much love for them
These “Devs react to Speedruns of their game” is easily the best thing IGN has made in years.
More of this please.
"He just got $5 donated. do we get any of that?"
😂😂😂
Timestamp?
@@Savant_Ananya 41:21
thats what the stadia dev wants from now on
This was someone's first job as a developer? This is possibly my favourite single player campaign
I wouldn't like a normal alien game but this. This was just amazing.
They nailed specially whole map design, I'd never imagine how aliens look and put a green fellow with black eyes.
Fresh faces may not have hands on experience but you can expect their 100% effort.
You'd be hard pressed to find a dev team that doesn't have a new dev on it.
I mean, they had a lot of people working on the first halo game, so obviously someone in there is going to be a fresh face?
@@protonjones54 Didn't they have like, 40 people working on that game in under 9 months or something eventually.
This was the most wholesome "Devs React" that I've seen.
Just old friends reminiscing old times.
...And of course freaking out, that this guy is missing most of their hardwork XD
My favorite was one of the seemingly more senior designers constantly praising the level designers and artists. Really wonderful to hear that!
For anyone curious enough about why T&R stops early, it's because when you skip to the third level in the hanger bay you also skip a huge chunk of dialogue/ events. Later on when you turn Keyes hostile, you also prevent him from doing dialogue. This (somehow, I'm not sure about specifics) makes the game think that there is nothing left to do and it ends the mission early.
Old bungie team joining together after 6 years of seperation
What a moment to witness
2020 is not THAT bad after all.
Some even longer than that
@@jcdenton3512
Hardy LeBell was the first person who came to mind. He left mid way through Halo 2's development. I remember he said he also said he did not like some of the gameplay choices or something like that.
Marty and Jamie work together at high wire games, their own studio. I’m pretty sure Paul Bertone works there too. They put out a game last year and I’m hoping they announce a new game soon because those guys have extreme talent and passion
Some of the devs are using the original xbox mics
He's not using Anniversary mode to glitch out of the geometry, he needs to be in Anniversary mode to see anything when he does because in the original all you would see is grey
which time slot is that?
@@droprelease4820 not sure on the time stamp but a lot of the times he glitches into geometry and moves outside of the game space, you can see the graphics shift into a different colour scheme and texture maps. That’s because he has switched graphics to anniversary edition
uh if u watched the speedrun he's doing it specifically to "possibly" skip the glitching frames he gets in that section. Shedding a few seconds.
@@droprelease4820 For example: 51:10
@@thrivingentrepreneur you're wrong; anniversary is the same game just a different coat of paint, no physics engine difference. He chooses to change the graphics because those textures don't exist in the original graphics
I really enjoy these "dev watching speedruns" format. It's great to see them reflect on their design and choices that gave us these great pieces of art
Having just played through this game again, the fact that even the developers joked about a speedrunner going through the 343 flood part being looped footage was very validating to me.
"Dust and echos, that's all we are"
That killed me inside to hear.
:(
no he said they were Dustin Echoes, they all were him. Still no clear answer on who Dustin is though.
@@spartan117celmfao
@@spartan117ce it's a name they gave to one of the marine npc's. They were talking about him earlier on in the video
Timestamp?
All these years later, and they sound like they made it yesterday. :]
Ends game on a cliffhanger that explicitly states there's more to come: "Yeah I think we all thought that was the end of this series."
imagine if Halo ended there and Halo 2 never was a thing... DANG I can't imagine my life without Halo! Too many memories
i that get me when they said that when i was a kid i wanted to see how it all end
They meant they didn’t know they had a future working on more Halo games. It all comes down to what people want. Thankfully for them it was more Halo.
@@randy1822001 thankfully for us too!
The line " No were just getting started" was added for the pc release. In the original "Halo, its finished" was the last line
The Del Toro script gave Master Chief a twin brother that sided with the Flood....that my friends is why Hollywood needs to leave gaming the Hell alone. Thankfully, Bungie had the integrity to say "not happening."
Addendum- The end credits do not appear in the Master Chief Collection. "We've been eliminated you guys." No matter what happens, you will never be forgotten. You did things once thought impossible and presented a masterclass in game design that was only surpassed by your later works. All the "Halo killers" and pretenders to the throne have never come close. Thank you for creating this universe and sharing it with the world. You guys are truly masters of your art form.
There is something very wholesome about these guys interacting and looking back at their dev days so nostalgically
Man it feels like the devs haven’t aged a day since their 20s.
32:54 "It was Dustin Echoes helmet"
Marty confirms, Dustin Echoes was always canon.
Listen to the Halo commentary on the Halo 3 legendary edition that O'Donnell, Jason Jones, and Joe Staten did for Halo 1. It was always a thing
Who's Dustin echoes?
@@protonjones54 At the end of Combat Evolved, when the Chief and Cortana are on the ship out of the ring, the Chief asks if anybody else made it. Cortana says "No, just Dust and Echoes. " Or something along those lines.
To many it sounds like the only other person who made it was Dustin Echoes.
I think the helmet was Pvt. Jenkins?
I could be thinking of a character that was only in the book
Chris Lee's first structure was the most iconic structure ever? Wow.
Talk about nailing it on the first try. Versions of that structure are still being used to this day in Infinite!
Damn these missions were soooo amazing for their time. You guys seriously revolutionized the industry. You should be very proud.
They still are amazing imo, both bungie and 343 respectively have made documented attempts to re-capture the essence of the second level of CE, and neither managed to succeed. Even Halo 3 which is almost universally loved never really raised the bar the same way CE did in 2001
These devs sound hella chill. 10/10
So sad to hear about the end credits removal for the original developers.....
The credits are still there, just moved to a different section of MCC. They don't automatically play after the game ends, but there's a credits option
@@RicanSamurai IMO doesn't make it less scummy from 343. Credits should always pop after the game ends. No matter how old the game is
@@RicanSamurai You mean under extras? Where it redirects you to a web browser? Yeah, no thanks.
I just wanted to say we have the same pfp, and that's cool.
“I think we could’ve cut a floor or two”
I love how they realize how long the library is, lol
Casual halo: Save the marines
Speed halo: Seek and Destroy All Marines
Lmao sums it up pretty accurately.
😭 you won't just be dust and echos, you made the best trilogy of games of many people's childhoods, I'm going to make my future children play Halo, you created a masterpiece 😔
Speedrunner: *phases through level geometry*
Devs: *audible pain*
From the process they described in terms of what it took ("Everything had to fit together air-tight" or you'd get an error for example) it sounds like OOB was the last thing they expected to see because all the level guys it sounds like had to spend literal days of their lives making teeny tiny tweaks because their tool would say "NOPE NOT AIR TIGHT!"
I gotta say, that "Marty, they're killin' the marines!" joke ran the perfect amount of cycles to become great.
Yes!
I was 5 years old, and saw my mom playing Halo. The covenant scared the crap outta me. I learned how to play, beat them, and then.... I met the flood.....
Thank you guys for making Halo!
We rented Halo CE from Blockbuster when I was 6. The elites terrified me at first!
Your mom was awesome!
I was 14 when I beat this game on legendary for my first time
Your MOM was playing this!? It always blows my mind when I hear about moms playing videogames because my mom and a lot of other moms I've seen over the years have absolutely no interest or patience for videogames
@Riley wort wort wort
Id really love to see them watch Rocats play Halo 2. If they thought CE wasn't airtight, they're gonna love Halo 2's Speedrun.
or Ranabundana
Halo 2 speedrun is boring
@@coconutdonut2322 yikes
YES
I would LOVE them to watch Rocats
Anyone else appreciate just how much closer the OG Halo devs seem to be compared to the devs of other AAA games in this video series? They're acting like a bunch of old college buddies, it's great
“Ohh he’s got the jeep”
“Warthog”
🤣
"Puma"
@@MrZaranthan Whats a puma?
@@MrZaranthan "A Walrus"
@@fatty1040 Stop making up animals.
@@MrZaranthanyou made that up 😏
"MARTY! Theyre killing the marines!" hahaha
The bungie guys having to endureThe Library level was hilarious
The Library level part made me sad, after hearing what the original plan for that level was. Such potential that never came to fruition
@@NazmusLabs Thats why these types of videos are so great, we get to see behind the scenes, take a look at what could've been
@@BudgiePanic Bungie devs used to make commentaries over halo ce and halo 2, dont remember if they did halo 3 tho
@@Spaggot they skipped 3 and did reach
@@elephantinatree The ones we were given were a few hours long, and after halo 3 released
16:50 That whole time that female singer was Marty my mind is broken
On Marty's channel he recently posted a video of the making of that track, with his raw audio files of him singing like that
@@WaveOfDestiny yea im gonna need a link like now
@@raincitygraffiti search marty o donnell under cover night inception
I’m going to need therapy to get over this one. Thanks Marty
31:07 when I first played this level, I always asked myself if I could get one banshee. I came to this bridge and saw that the elite that jumps into the banshee pops out behind a stone. I thought I was fast enough killing him, I could get one banshee.I did let me kill like a hundred times because I was to slow or I died from the other enemies. But then I rushed through with my pistol and I actually killed the elite with my pistol. With three health I got into that banshee and flew around like an hour or so
Same experience when I was a kid, except I always did it by throwing grenades and flipping the banshee so he couldn't get in it. I played that level just to do that and fly around in that area because I thought it was so cool.
that reminds me of how in halo 2 i kept killing the boss at the end repeatedly for a while trying to pick up the hammer that he dropped
There's actually an active camo in the stealth elite gallery right before this. If you pick it up and run straight to the Banshee there's enough time to just get in and fly away.
Just realized that Marty was the audio director and he had the best mic audio by far haha
This man is a machine. I've done some of these things but to string them together to effortlessly is just awesome to watch.
NO
The “high-bandwidth communication lasers firing from one side of the ring to the other” amazed me. Never thought of that.
Even the US military does that. Airlifts hard drives across the country because it's faster then sending data through the internet
This was amazing. They gotta do halo 2 for sure though. Halo 2 tricks will blow there mind. Please make it happen.
We need devs react to halo 2 speedrun
Halo 2 SLASO speedrun dev reaction
Halo 2 was pretty rushed. They had to remake most stuff and put it together in 14 months. It might not surprise them because they had to fix a bunch of stuff.
@@dingle2987 from what I have heard halo 1 was the same way. Like 12 months before launch everything got scraped and turned from a rpg's into fps. Or whatever is was before.
@@erichonxbox Not entirely true, but it was rushed. It was actually a third person shooter, and they had assets, but repurposed them in a rush to the finish because they were not close to a full game. Which is why the last levels use alot of repeat assets. It was only an rts for like a week or two.
"Its nice to be here with all my old friends"
"yes"
"yes"
fun watch. would love to see these guys react to the Halo 2 speedrun, which is just about as crazy as this one with sword flying
Hearing the story about the origonal plan for the library makes me wanna see a modder restore it to the original vision.