For all watching, in the book with the girls parents, Kristoffs origin is lightly touched on. On their first trip to see the trolls, the parents witness a young ice harvester woman asking them for help. She recently lost her husband in an accident and cant bear his death, so she asks them to remove her memories of him. She was pregnant at the time, and the baby is implied to be Kristoff. It not only makes him three years older then Elsa, but means the trolls knew his backstory. I recommend you read the book, it's really good.
Its uncertain if there will be frozen 3 or not, we cant just say "oh its happening there will be frozen 3" without necessarily realizing that its possibly a 50/50 percentage that might or might not happen specifically.
I kinda tuned out once at 4:03 when he said the people trapped in the Enchanted Forest didn't age. Not only are the remaining Arendelle guards visibly older, but Mattias clearly states they are. Ryder even says some of the Northuldra (like him) were born in the forest and had never seen the sky. Also, I wouldn't exactly call Kristoff's "big nose" a Northuldran trait... Iduna and many of the others have slender, even aquiline noses. And if we're comparing men's noses, Ryder has a snub nose, which is nothing like Kristoff's. The Northuldra also have higher cheekbones and more almond shaped eyes. I get that the Northuldra are working with a shallower gene pool after 30+ years in the mist, but those features would probably be present in Kristoff if he was one of them.
I was thinking the same thing about the non-aging part. And it would be pretty awkward for Mattias to still have romantic attachment to Halima if she aged 34 years and he didn't.
@@beverlyarcher3744 True, that is one place that could suggest the fact. But then why did Ryder look his age? He should have still been a young teen at the apparent age difference between Mattias and his wife
Poor thing, he deserved better so much❤️being alone on you’re own as a child and having to defend for yourself. I would honestly question my beliefs and doubts, I’m so glad Kristoff is able to put his past behind him. I know it hurts him deep down. I hope he can open up, soon, to Anna. or when the time comes.
They actually do age in the mist. Just look at lt Matias. He had fully colored hair during the fight but now has wrinkles and grays when meeting the gang.
@Beverly Archer everyone ages differently so that can't be said for sure and I don't think they're married. Courted but then he didn't return was my take away. They def flirt like when they were full of youth. Plus the thought of him being dead and running her business could've taxed her more than him knowing she was alive and hoping for her happiness. It's only been 34 years between mist up to mist down too. I think their age progression is spot on. Wrinkles, white/Grey hair, liver spots.
An additional potential part of this story is that Kristof is blond; a trait more associated with the Arendale inspired culture, not that of the native reindeer herders. So perhaps his parents were of both, and his father either died on the outside after the fog, or got stuck on the other side, or even killed in the first clash of the conflict. Thus leaving his mother alone and to go near mad with grief, enough to seek out a near forgotten tribe of trolls, and she gets her memory altered. Memories lost or not, society may not have treated a half breed and his mother well when tensions were potentially already high before the fog, then a ton of people just disappear behind magic fog? Not good. Kristof canonically becomes a full orphan early, we don’t know how or when, but late enough in life to be shown the basics of ice harvesting, and to form a bond with a baby reindeer......but no one on this side of the fog wants to deal with him, and clearly just ignore him and work around him. Just why when the citizens we see later are so friendly......to each other. Yet as soon as different is introduced via Elsa’s out of control ice powers, they seem to veer away from her pretty fast. Only a few (foreigners)are openly hostile, but only Anna is defending her sister. Kristof is treated similarly. Not exactly hostel to him, but clearly not welcoming. Why? Because he isn’t fully one of them!
Kristoph and Elsa were clearly about the same age when the Trolls took him in, and Idunna was about twelve when the myst separated the Enchanted Forest from Arundel. Think about that for a minute.
I assumed those men in the beginning were Kristof’s family and wondered why they just abandoned him and seemingly never went looking for him. Even if he wasn’t with them, who just leaves a child alone in the wilderness in the middle of the night? Jerks.
I think Kristoff was following his family when he got side tracked by the magical ice trail that was created behind the horse Elsa was being carried on. he ended up lost in the woods becoz 'Ice is his life'. Folk tales are built on lost children story's.
So I have a little different theory. While I do think Kristoff is part of the Sami people, we can't ignore that everyone inside the mist has brown hair and dark eyes not to mention the color of their clothing being white. While the clothing can be explained away by the fact Kristoff has lived outside the mist so probably took on the colors of the outside world, I think he might be from a different tribe of Sami Or or of similar half Sami and half not like Anna and Elsa (meaning that his mother would be not Sami if she was also Blond if from the same tribe as those of the mist). I lean much more to him being of a different tribe who might of traveled with his family to see their tribal brothern and maybe his mother was from a different tribe and they were traveling back to his father's tribe only to have his father pass away and his mother locked out from the mist. I know its complex, but I think it would explain why he has a very different look to the others.
@@GamerNerdess True, and I believe I do bring that up in my theory as well. I just wanted to bring all options to the table as well and since he doesn't seem to know anything about the Sami at all, it gave room to speculate what could of happen. To be fair, we are given very little to actually know what happen so we don't have enough to rule out anything.
I watch Frozen (& Frozen 2) all the time with my two nieces all the time and often tell them [my nieces] Kristoff is the type of guy they should end up with when their older.
Or, his family abandon him because he killed Sven's mom. That's what his coat is made out of: Reindeer fur! That's why Sven Follows him everywhere. He thinks kristoff is his mom!
Iduna was also Northuldra, which means that Anna is half Arendellian and half Northuldra. So if Anna and Kristoff ever get children, they will be ¾ Northuldra and only ¼ Arendellian.
I vaguely remember at some point coming across a snippet of a comic that explored some part of Kristoff's childhood. I can't recall all of it, but I know it had something to do with him having been in an orphanage but he was picked on or got in some kind of conflict and then he ran away. I really wish they'd focus a little more on him in the movies.
What if his mother was from another tribe similar to the northuldra but different at the same time? Then something awful happened and his mother escaped, ends up falling in love, gave birth to kristoff, was dumped, tries to survive with him, then sends him at an orphanage to keep him safe from danger that’s following her, and kickstarts the first frozen movie.
You see this is what frozen 3 should be about, it would also keep the focus on the sisters while giving kristoff (and possibly hand) more time to shine.
A thought after listening to this. If the mist settled around the time Kristoff was born (although it sounds like it was shortly afterward), it would mean he was at least 12 years older than Anna? In Frozen 2 Anna is 21 and the mist had settled roughly 34 years earlier which should put Kristoff from 33 to 37 somewhere
It also means that he would have been around twenty-one at the beginning of Frozen, even though he looked to be about the same age as Elsa, who was eight years old at the time.
@@maddisonb4258 That is possible, but then of course it’s all fiction and anything is possible. Maybe he’s a lost son stolen from other royalty and the reason so many royals were at the coronation of a small and probably somewhat obscure kingdom was because they were searching for him
I think that it might be possible that Kristoff’s family wasn’t locked out, but only he and Sven, cause Kristoff might’ve been helping to herd the reindeer but Sven got out of the herd? of reindeer so Kristoff was chasing Sven to get him back into the group. It might also been possible that during this time, the battle had been going on, but he and his family didn’t know about it, so they were going about their day as usual. Following this theory, Kristoff could’ve ran past the boundary of the mist and got lost chasing Sven. It’s possible that he didn’t know how to get back, so he just found people and civilization to keep him from getting lost again without help close by. So after a while, he would’ve figured out that the ice breakers were the ones that go farthest from Arendelle to get ice, so he follows them and tries to help them so he could go to try and find Northuldra, but he couldn’t, so he stayed with the ice men. When Iduana and Augnrr were taking Anna to be cured by Pabbie, it’s likely that Kristoff thought that the ice trail was leading him to Northuldra, so he followed it with Sven, and met the trolls, who took him in. Afterwards, things chronologically matches up and frozen happens. Then frozen two. Eventually we’ll find out I guess And if you’ve got to this point without leaving, kudos to you!🎉
So...how old is Kristof supposed to be, then? The mists cur off Northuldra(?) when Elsa and Anna's parents were still basically children. So, either Kristoff is closer to the same age as their parents, or his parents were cut of from their homes long before he was even born.
I think that is the implication of the video, not that he himself was cut off? is parents (or one of them) were likely the ones who were cut off as either children or teens similarly to Else and Ana's mother.
First of all, the place where the trolls lived was call The Valley of Living Stone. Kristoph looked to be about eight years old, the same as Elsa, when the trolls took him in, but Agnarr and Idunna's first visit the trolls happened a month or so before she proposed to him, yes it was Idunna who made the marriage proposal and she enlisted the help of a couple of reindeer, plus an additional six more months before their wedding, and another three years before Elsa had been born, so the child the women Agnarr and Idunna saw talking to the trolls was carrying could not have been Kristoph. Furthermore, Agnarr told Idunna that she was from a tribe of ice harvesters who were similar to the Northuldra, but not considered Northuldra by Arendell to whom they sold their ice. I think that there were numerous similar tribes in those regions, some lived in the Enchanted Forest year-round, some followed the reindeer migrations, and some harvested and sold ice to the wealthier kingdoms, and used horses since it would be easier to put crampons on horses' hooves than reindeer. The merchants who wanted to buy reindeer and ice ignored the relation the latter two groups had with those who lived in the Forest for the sake of doing business. I think that Kristoph's father died in a similar accident to the one that killed the husband of the women Agnarr and Idunna saw talking with the trolls, just several years apart. These were the days before OSHA after all. The Spirit of Attahalla felt that Elsa and Anna would need some help, so it sent Sven to Kristoph after his parents died, then nudged them towards the trolls so they could teach him to be sensitive and get him used to interacting with magical beings.
The mist happened too long ago for Kristoff to be a product of the protection shield in my opinion, I know the trolls are cute but we have to remember Disney does their research and the legends of those trolls involve them taking children especially ones with blonde hair. The blonde pregnant woman could be the mother though, but "I'm gonna keep you" may be more the story than we would like to think, especially with creatures that can bend and erase memories. Toddlers can not take care of themselves very long either.
Ok, the more I hear about these trolls the more I think they are secretly evil as they seem way too happy to constantly be wiping people memories and meddling in things that don’t concern them.
This made me laugh. I've been convinced forever that the trolls were the true villains of the story. Weirdly, I haven't actually seen the second movie in part because I would rather not have to rethink my version of the trolls depending on what happens there. Unfortunately, it also implies that Kristoff - one of my all time favorite Disney characters - is potentially darkened, manipulated, or otherwise compromised by them.
Why not just clumsy and well meaning, but bumbling? I mean, their Elder freaking terrifies Elsa while cryptically saying "fear will be your enemy" instead of saying "you're going to have to get the citizens on your side, so don't hide it, be courageous", and then doesn't intervene when the parents say "we'll kick her away so nobody can be scared of her" even though that's CLEARLY a fearful reaction
@@michaelsorensen7567 it would have helped Elsa immensely if Anna had kept her memories and be able to assure Elsa that it was an accident and showing she still wants to be around her sister. Instead they caused unnecessary issues by erasing her memory. Not to mention the theory that they messed with Hans mind in order to get him away from Anna so Kristoph could have her
@@michaelsorensen7567 See, the line you just quoted is very much the line that gives them the blackest mark. I could maybe roll with 'weird with humans' and even 'wise in only specific areas, but bumbling in others.' I can't roll with 'more or less successfully raised a human yet completely missed how our advice destroyed a family and made matters worse for the ice-girl'. I mean, if you watch the movie, you SEE how this response frightens Elsa even more, it was pretty much an immediate reaction. Whatever the angle and purpose, they knew what they were doing.
Frozen 2 should have been about Kristoff finding his family among the northuldra people, not Elsa and Anna. Elsa and Anna already had a family backstory in Once Upon a Time which could have been adapted a bit instead. Frozen 2 was an absolute horrible mess and I refuse to acknowledge it as canon.
Since Frozen 3 is now confirmed. I really hope it's going to be about Kristoff finding his family. It's about time we find out about his family since we already know about Anna and Elsa story. Their story done elsa found all the answers she needed in Frozen 2. Now it's kristoff's turn. Time to focus on Kristoff.
Kristoff is Sami and have the appropriate features for it, both face and dress. The northhuldran is not Sami, but inuit. The dress and features shows this. Furthermore Kristoff is "bergtagen" (taken by the rock) wich means he was taken (kidnapped) by the trolls. Hence his surname Bjorgman (Bergman=rock man, a common scandinavian surname). Sagas about children being abducted by trolls (bergtagen) is among the most common ones. Living with the trolls with them clearly being able to alter humans memories manipulated him into believing he stayed with them willingly. Typical trolls. Prove me wrong!
1 The Northuldra are plural, which means the verb "are" should be used, not "is." 2 After the success of Frozen, the Sami Nation demanded some more recognition, and the invention of the Northuldra was the compromise that was settled on.
Maybe Kristoff’s mom was an ice harvester and his dad was a northuldra. Maybe his dad isn’t really dead, but she assumed he was dead when the fog locked her out of the forest never to see him again.
Wow, I didn't know there was a book describing exactly what happens to Kristoff's character in Hans Christian Andersen's story 'The Ice maiden'. If you read that story you will know just how tragic the end of his life gets.
All the noses look kind of big, and the main problem with this theory is, Kristoff doesn't really look like them. He is blonde and fair, the Northuldra were brown and darker. IF the woman with the trolls was his mother, and it does seem to be intentional foreshadowing, it still provides no connection to the Northuldran's since she was with the Ice cutters.
Your timeline is off unless you're saying that Kristoff is a lot older than Anna. Mist fell when Elsa and Anna's parents were pre-teens, you said they went to the trolls not long after and saw a pregnant woman, if the woman is carrying the unborn Kristoff that would mean Kristoff is a decade or more older than the barely-an-adult Anna. Not an unusual thing to happen for the time period but a very unusual thing to happen in a Disney movie. If Kristoff's parents were kids, teens, or pre-teens when the mist fell, that would make sense and that's what I always thought. Unless Disney is endorsing childhood pregnancy and the king and queen met the woman when they were all teenagers, that meeting couldn't have been shortly after the mists fell and the woman be Kristoff's mother at the same time
didnt anyone notice that in the beginning of frozen when the people picking up ice jumped into the water, and out, sharp spikes followed? like if they had magic like elsa in frozen 2, only thing is they knew how to control it? reply if yall see it
If you had watched Frozen 2 you would know that the Northuldra never had magic, they just got along with the magical spirits who inhabited the Enchanted Forest.
But why is he the only blond “Sami” then? He looks nothing like them. Besides, he’s a third wheel, an “extra”. The movies and shorts all center on the sisters and their world. He’s really just there for Anna to marry eventually.
Didn't make sense Anna and elsa 's grandad do this and there dad younge kid at time so this doesn't make sense unless he way way older than Anna could be family grandparents in there at time but unlikely
I thought Kristoff had a Step Uncle was king Angarr his mother queen Rita have a step brother was Kristoff's father they are related to Kristoff too his whole family tooo
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For all watching, in the book with the girls parents, Kristoffs origin is lightly touched on. On their first trip to see the trolls, the parents witness a young ice harvester woman asking them for help. She recently lost her husband in an accident and cant bear his death, so she asks them to remove her memories of him. She was pregnant at the time, and the baby is implied to be Kristoff. It not only makes him three years older then Elsa, but means the trolls knew his backstory. I recommend you read the book, it's really good.
What’s the book name? I did not know they put a book out.
@@1hollyrainbow Dangerous Secrets by Mari Mancusi
That would make a great plot for a frozen 3 movie that and Anna and his wedding. I always wondered about Kristof’s parents and past
Its uncertain if there will be frozen 3 or not, we cant just say "oh its happening there will be frozen 3" without necessarily realizing that its possibly a 50/50 percentage that might or might not happen specifically.
True but there was announcement that there making a frozen 3 just don't know what's it about or if it's gonna happen
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This should be a Frozen 3 plot. We need to know Kristoff’s backstory.
I kinda tuned out once at 4:03 when he said the people trapped in the Enchanted Forest didn't age. Not only are the remaining Arendelle guards visibly older, but Mattias clearly states they are. Ryder even says some of the Northuldra (like him) were born in the forest and had never seen the sky.
Also, I wouldn't exactly call Kristoff's "big nose" a Northuldran trait... Iduna and many of the others have slender, even aquiline noses. And if we're comparing men's noses, Ryder has a snub nose, which is nothing like Kristoff's. The Northuldra also have higher cheekbones and more almond shaped eyes. I get that the Northuldra are working with a shallower gene pool after 30+ years in the mist, but those features would probably be present in Kristoff if he was one of them.
I was thinking the same thing about the non-aging part.
And it would be pretty awkward for Mattias to still have romantic attachment to Halima if she aged 34 years and he didn't.
I wondered what he was saying about lack of aging. Where did that come from? I can’t think of anything that remotely suggests the idea in the movie
Slowly aged? Cause you look at his wife who is shown to even look older then her husband
@@beverlyarcher3744 True, that is one place that could suggest the fact. But then why did Ryder look his age? He should have still been a young teen at the apparent age difference between Mattias and his wife
@@t.mendous7922 Ryder wasn't even born yet when it happened
Disney should make a mini-series where Kristoff learns about his origin.
Poor thing, he deserved better so much❤️being alone on you’re own as a child and having to defend for yourself. I would honestly question my beliefs and doubts, I’m so glad Kristoff is able to put his past behind him. I know it hurts him deep down. I hope he can open up, soon, to Anna. or when the time comes.
They actually do age in the mist. Just look at lt Matias. He had fully colored hair during the fight but now has wrinkles and grays when meeting the gang.
Slowly aged could be it as he didn't look nearly as old as his wife
@Beverly Archer everyone ages differently so that can't be said for sure and I don't think they're married. Courted but then he didn't return was my take away. They def flirt like when they were full of youth. Plus the thought of him being dead and running her business could've taxed her more than him knowing she was alive and hoping for her happiness. It's only been 34 years between mist up to mist down too. I think their age progression is spot on. Wrinkles, white/Grey hair, liver spots.
This backstory feels like a sneak peak for Frozen 3 plot.
An additional potential part of this story is that Kristof is blond; a trait more associated with the Arendale inspired culture, not that of the native reindeer herders. So perhaps his parents were of both, and his father either died on the outside after the fog, or got stuck on the other side, or even killed in the first clash of the conflict. Thus leaving his mother alone and to go near mad with grief, enough to seek out a near forgotten tribe of trolls, and she gets her memory altered. Memories lost or not, society may not have treated a half breed and his mother well when tensions were potentially already high before the fog, then a ton of people just disappear behind magic fog? Not good. Kristof canonically becomes a full orphan early, we don’t know how or when, but late enough in life to be shown the basics of ice harvesting, and to form a bond with a baby reindeer......but no one on this side of the fog wants to deal with him, and clearly just ignore him and work around him. Just why when the citizens we see later are so friendly......to each other. Yet as soon as different is introduced via Elsa’s out of control ice powers, they seem to veer away from her pretty fast. Only a few (foreigners)are openly hostile, but only Anna is defending her sister. Kristof is treated similarly. Not exactly hostel to him, but clearly not welcoming. Why? Because he isn’t fully one of them!
Kristoph and Elsa were clearly about the same age when the Trolls took him in, and Idunna was about twelve when the myst separated the Enchanted Forest from Arundel. Think about that for a minute.
I assumed those men in the beginning were Kristof’s family and wondered why they just abandoned him and seemingly never went looking for him. Even if he wasn’t with them, who just leaves a child alone in the wilderness in the middle of the night? Jerks.
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I think Kristoff was following his family when he got side tracked by the magical ice trail that was created behind the horse Elsa was being carried on. he ended up lost in the woods becoz 'Ice is his life'. Folk tales are built on lost children story's.
So I have a little different theory. While I do think Kristoff is part of the Sami people, we can't ignore that everyone inside the mist has brown hair and dark eyes not to mention the color of their clothing being white. While the clothing can be explained away by the fact Kristoff has lived outside the mist so probably took on the colors of the outside world, I think he might be from a different tribe of Sami Or or of similar half Sami and half not like Anna and Elsa (meaning that his mother would be not Sami if she was also Blond if from the same tribe as those of the mist). I lean much more to him being of a different tribe who might of traveled with his family to see their tribal brothern and maybe his mother was from a different tribe and they were traveling back to his father's tribe only to have his father pass away and his mother locked out from the mist. I know its complex, but I think it would explain why he has a very different look to the others.
He could simply be half like Anna and Elsa.
@@GamerNerdess True, and I believe I do bring that up in my theory as well. I just wanted to bring all options to the table as well and since he doesn't seem to know anything about the Sami at all, it gave room to speculate what could of happen. To be fair, we are given very little to actually know what happen so we don't have enough to rule out anything.
Kristoff wasn't left behind by the ice harvesters. They waited for him and sven to catch up and then the film carried on.
The mist didn’t prevent them from aging though. They actually show that the ones caught in the mist have aged.
Not a whole lot compared to when you see the wife
@@beverlyarcher3744 What wife?
I watch Frozen (& Frozen 2) all the time with my two nieces all the time and often tell them [my nieces] Kristoff is the type of guy they should end up with when their older.
Or, his family abandon him because he killed Sven's mom. That's what his coat is made out of: Reindeer fur! That's why Sven Follows him everywhere. He thinks kristoff is his mom!
Iduna was also Northuldra, which means that Anna is half Arendellian and half Northuldra. So if Anna and Kristoff ever get children, they will be ¾ Northuldra and only ¼ Arendellian.
I vaguely remember at some point coming across a snippet of a comic that explored some part of Kristoff's childhood. I can't recall all of it, but I know it had something to do with him having been in an orphanage but he was picked on or got in some kind of conflict and then he ran away. I really wish they'd focus a little more on him in the movies.
What if his mother was from another tribe similar to the northuldra but different at the same time? Then something awful happened and his mother escaped, ends up falling in love, gave birth to kristoff, was dumped, tries to survive with him, then sends him at an orphanage to keep him safe from danger that’s following her, and kickstarts the first frozen movie.
You see this is what frozen 3 should be about, it would also keep the focus on the sisters while giving kristoff (and possibly hand) more time to shine.
A thought after listening to this. If the mist settled around the time Kristoff was born (although it sounds like it was shortly afterward), it would mean he was at least 12 years older than Anna? In Frozen 2 Anna is 21 and the mist had settled roughly 34 years earlier which should put Kristoff from 33 to 37 somewhere
It also means that he would have been around twenty-one at the beginning of Frozen, even though he looked to be about the same age as Elsa, who was eight years old at the time.
Yeah, more likely his mother escaped the mist like Ana and Elsa’s did and then had him with a man from the kingdom around the time Elsa was born….
@@maddisonb4258 That is possible, but then of course it’s all fiction and anything is possible. Maybe he’s a lost son stolen from other royalty and the reason so many royals were at the coronation of a small and probably somewhat obscure kingdom was because they were searching for him
I think that it might be possible that Kristoff’s family wasn’t locked out, but only he and Sven, cause Kristoff might’ve been helping to herd the reindeer but Sven got out of the herd? of reindeer so Kristoff was chasing Sven to get him back into the group.
It might also been possible that during this time, the battle had been going on, but he and his family didn’t know about it, so they were going about their day as usual.
Following this theory, Kristoff could’ve ran past the boundary of the mist and got lost chasing Sven. It’s possible that he didn’t know how to get back, so he just found people and civilization to keep him from getting lost again without help close by.
So after a while, he would’ve figured out that the ice breakers were the ones that go farthest from Arendelle to get ice, so he follows them and tries to help them so he could go to try and find Northuldra, but he couldn’t, so he stayed with the ice men.
When Iduana and Augnrr were taking Anna to be cured by Pabbie, it’s likely that Kristoff thought that the ice trail was leading him to Northuldra, so he followed it with Sven, and met the trolls, who took him in.
Afterwards, things chronologically matches up and frozen happens.
Then frozen two.
Eventually we’ll find out I guess
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Your hypothesis would make him at least ten years older than Elsa. Did he look at least ten years older than Elsa the night the trolls took him in?
No the book actually explains that he possibly 3 years older then Elsa
idk..maybe it's a time thing? This was more of a spur of the moment hypothesis tho.
I think the fact that the trolls took him in was mainly just that the trolls are generally altruistic creatures.
So...how old is Kristof supposed to be, then? The mists cur off Northuldra(?) when Elsa and Anna's parents were still basically children. So, either Kristoff is closer to the same age as their parents, or his parents were cut of from their homes long before he was even born.
I think that is the implication of the video, not that he himself was cut off? is parents (or one of them) were likely the ones who were cut off as either children or teens similarly to Else and Ana's mother.
I believe that, as of the main events of Frozen 1, Kristoph was twenty-one, the same as Elsa.
First of all, the place where the trolls lived was call The Valley of Living Stone.
Kristoph looked to be about eight years old, the same as Elsa, when the trolls took him in, but Agnarr and Idunna's first visit the trolls happened a month or so before she proposed to him, yes it was Idunna who made the marriage proposal and she enlisted the help of a couple of reindeer, plus an additional six more months before their wedding, and another three years before Elsa had been born, so the child the women Agnarr and Idunna saw talking to the trolls was carrying could not have been Kristoph. Furthermore, Agnarr told Idunna that she was from a tribe of ice harvesters who were similar to the Northuldra, but not considered Northuldra by Arendell to whom they sold their ice.
I think that there were numerous similar tribes in those regions, some lived in the Enchanted Forest year-round, some followed the reindeer migrations, and some harvested and sold ice to the wealthier kingdoms, and used horses since it would be easier to put crampons on horses' hooves than reindeer. The merchants who wanted to buy reindeer and ice ignored the relation the latter two groups had with those who lived in the Forest for the sake of doing business.
I think that Kristoph's father died in a similar accident to the one that killed the husband of the women Agnarr and Idunna saw talking with the trolls, just several years apart. These were the days before OSHA after all. The Spirit of Attahalla felt that Elsa and Anna would need some help, so it sent Sven to Kristoph after his parents died, then nudged them towards the trolls so they could teach him to be sensitive and get him used to interacting with magical beings.
That’s actually a solid theory
The mist happened too long ago for Kristoff to be a product of the protection shield in my opinion, I know the trolls are cute but we have to remember Disney does their research and the legends of those trolls involve them taking children especially ones with blonde hair. The blonde pregnant woman could be the mother though, but "I'm gonna keep you" may be more the story than we would like to think, especially with creatures that can bend and erase memories. Toddlers can not take care of themselves very long either.
The mist didn't stop people from aging though, they were all alot older before they were freed.
I think that kristoff deserved better as a child this is just sad but it does kinda seem like he has gotten over it now
If this is true, he must be Hella lot older than Anna than I thought!
I was always wondering if north aldra was kristoff's heritage.
Kristof looks like steve irwin to me. Solid reason why i love him 😁
Very informative video!
THIS IS WAY SAD😢 why did he had no parents
The Third Film Should Focus On Kritstoff
The barrier did not prevent aging...
Ok, the more I hear about these trolls the more I think they are secretly evil as they seem way too happy to constantly be wiping people memories and meddling in things that don’t concern them.
This made me laugh. I've been convinced forever that the trolls were the true villains of the story. Weirdly, I haven't actually seen the second movie in part because I would rather not have to rethink my version of the trolls depending on what happens there. Unfortunately, it also implies that Kristoff - one of my all time favorite Disney characters - is potentially darkened, manipulated, or otherwise compromised by them.
Why not just clumsy and well meaning, but bumbling? I mean, their Elder freaking terrifies Elsa while cryptically saying "fear will be your enemy" instead of saying "you're going to have to get the citizens on your side, so don't hide it, be courageous", and then doesn't intervene when the parents say "we'll kick her away so nobody can be scared of her" even though that's CLEARLY a fearful reaction
@@michaelsorensen7567 it would have helped Elsa immensely if Anna had kept her memories and be able to assure Elsa that it was an accident and showing she still wants to be around her sister. Instead they caused unnecessary issues by erasing her memory. Not to mention the theory that they messed with Hans mind in order to get him away from Anna so Kristoph could have her
@@vampbites89 my understanding was the erased memory was the only way to save her life from the ice
@@michaelsorensen7567 See, the line you just quoted is very much the line that gives them the blackest mark. I could maybe roll with 'weird with humans' and even 'wise in only specific areas, but bumbling in others.' I can't roll with 'more or less successfully raised a human yet completely missed how our advice destroyed a family and made matters worse for the ice-girl'. I mean, if you watch the movie, you SEE how this response frightens Elsa even more, it was pretty much an immediate reaction. Whatever the angle and purpose, they knew what they were doing.
WE NEED THIS FOR FROZEN 3!!!!!
Frozen 2 should have been about Kristoff finding his family among the northuldra people, not Elsa and Anna. Elsa and Anna already had a family backstory in Once Upon a Time which could have been adapted a bit instead. Frozen 2 was an absolute horrible mess and I refuse to acknowledge it as canon.
Since Frozen 3 is now confirmed. I really hope it's going to be about Kristoff finding his family. It's about time we find out about his family since we already know about Anna and Elsa story. Their story done elsa found all the answers she needed in Frozen 2. Now it's kristoff's turn. Time to focus on Kristoff.
Kristoff is Sami and have the appropriate features for it, both face and dress. The northhuldran is not Sami, but inuit. The dress and features shows this. Furthermore Kristoff is "bergtagen" (taken by the rock) wich means he was taken (kidnapped) by the trolls. Hence his surname Bjorgman (Bergman=rock man, a common scandinavian surname). Sagas about children being abducted by trolls (bergtagen) is among the most common ones. Living with the trolls with them clearly being able to alter humans memories manipulated him into believing he stayed with them willingly. Typical trolls. Prove me wrong!
1 The Northuldra are plural, which means the verb "are" should be used, not "is."
2 After the success of Frozen, the Sami Nation demanded some more recognition, and the invention of the Northuldra was the compromise that was settled on.
Guys elsa is a ice element and from what we know, when a ice elemwnt goes rogue it needs its opposite to really calm it so who is elsas opposite
Maybe Kristoff’s mom was an ice harvester and his dad was a northuldra. Maybe his dad isn’t really dead, but she assumed he was dead when the fog locked her out of the forest never to see him again.
That fog came down ten years before Elsa had been born. Did you actually read Frozen 2 Dangerous Secrets?
@@ethenallen1388 no I didn’t. I’m not a frozen Stan. I just had a thought and shared it. Unclench.
yes and I think that Kristoff can Learn where Kristoff came from and I go with yes
Excellent story and inferences!
I didnt even think about him also being from there...hes prolly mixed like anna and elsa
Wow, I didn't know there was a book describing exactly what happens to Kristoff's character in Hans Christian Andersen's story 'The Ice maiden'. If you read that story you will know just how tragic the end of his life gets.
All the noses look kind of big, and the main problem with this theory is, Kristoff doesn't really look like them. He is blonde and fair, the Northuldra were brown and darker. IF the woman with the trolls was his mother, and it does seem to be intentional foreshadowing, it still provides no connection to the Northuldran's since she was with the Ice cutters.
Just a correction: everyone who was trapped inside the mist DID age.
Your timeline is off unless you're saying that Kristoff is a lot older than Anna. Mist fell when Elsa and Anna's parents were pre-teens, you said they went to the trolls not long after and saw a pregnant woman, if the woman is carrying the unborn Kristoff that would mean Kristoff is a decade or more older than the barely-an-adult Anna. Not an unusual thing to happen for the time period but a very unusual thing to happen in a Disney movie. If Kristoff's parents were kids, teens, or pre-teens when the mist fell, that would make sense and that's what I always thought. Unless Disney is endorsing childhood pregnancy and the king and queen met the woman when they were all teenagers, that meeting couldn't have been shortly after the mists fell and the woman be Kristoff's mother at the same time
But in the end he has Anna
poor Kristoff
Ikr
Wait. But Anna and Elsa’s mom is from this tribe right? Wouldn’t that make kristoff related to them in some way.
Not technically. People from a tribe aren't all related.
I saw a ramen ad when watching this
I hope frozen 3 we get little more back story of kristoff parents and little of his past
In the first movie he said he had older brothers, right?
No, you're thinking about Hans.
the way he is pronouncing Sàmi is making me irrationally angry
How do you say it?
@@GlowandLuna Sah-me
That would make Anna maybe 5 years older than Kristof?
Perfect HIMBO, I love him so
It doesn’t explain his blonde hair though.
While the ads are playing, is it that he was just abandoned after doing backbreaking child labor?
My grandmother liked frozen.
He fell from heaven & hit every handsome brand on the handsome tree on his way down1⭐💯
didnt anyone notice that in the beginning of frozen when the people picking up ice jumped into the water, and out, sharp spikes followed? like if they had magic like elsa in frozen 2, only thing is they knew how to control it? reply if yall see it
If you had watched Frozen 2 you would know that the Northuldra never had magic, they just got along with the magical spirits who inhabited the Enchanted Forest.
Something mysterious might've happened to his father but I'm assuming his mother died from childbirth
Could frozen 3 have this as a plot since Kristoff is an orphan with no recollection of his past.
Well there's a potentially planned 3rd movie, so maybe they'll discuss it then.
It could be that Chris his mother died during child-birth, with the trolls taking him in as their own.
But why is he the only blond “Sami” then? He looks nothing like them. Besides, he’s a third wheel, an “extra”. The movies and shorts all center on the sisters and their world. He’s really just there for Anna to marry eventually.
YES
So he is something like 15 years older then Anna?
No, his official age during the main events of the first Frozen movie was twenty-one, the same as Elsa.
So, he is Sami?
Why is the North Aldrin girl prettier than Elsa and Anna
So Kristoff is a prince?
Yes yes. 3rd movie
Once again Kristoff being more interesting than the female characters, just my opinion 😂
Didn't make sense Anna and elsa 's grandad do this and there dad younge kid at time so this doesn't make sense unless he way way older than Anna could be family grandparents in there at time but unlikely
Nope time doesn't work
You lost me when you explained who his mother was? I am not following 😕
Are you saying that Kristoff was half brother of Anna?
I thought Kristoff had a Step Uncle was king Angarr his mother queen Rita have a step brother was Kristoff's father they are related to Kristoff too his whole family tooo
FIRST!!!
Second!!! Lol I was watching this video on my tv