I’ve had my measure twice cut three times days. You’re a human being like the rest of us, not everyone is a Norm Abrams. I appreciate your honesty and willingness to show your vulnerability, a hallmark of a true professional.
Came here from your video posted today. For some reason (and I mean no offense) but it is actually enjoyable to watch you struggle through a job. I thought about it for a while before commenting, and I think it comes down to how relatable it is. I feel some sense of comradery because I’ve been there before! Anyway, keep up the great work, I always look forward to your videos!
The run to the other side of the wall before commencing with the hammering gave me confidence I'm checking out the right channel! For learning and laughs. Gotta have both.
Lol, happens to us all. This is the hardest part about doing estimates. You win some, you lose some. Have you gone back to see the shelves? I find it best to cut the drywall out around the shelf to make them stronger, the drywall is the weak point unless it is just holding light stuff.
As a cabinetmaker for 35 years this was hard to watch. But thanks for the pickle tip I may use that sometime. Floating shelves with no visible support should really be started in the framing stage of the house with steel welded brackets screwed or bolted to the sides of the studs. The shelves should be made with voids for the brackets with lateral wiggle room. Having said that it's possible to do what you're trying to do, but there is a huge risk as you found out. Floating shelves like a floating cabinet sounds easy but it's really not. I guess you know that now. Sorry you had to go through this, but a good learning lesson for all of us so thanks. Btw, they did look nice in the end, you do good work. If I were in your shoes, I would run away from retrofit floating shelf jobs, drilling blind into walls that deep is asking for a real disaster, consider yourself lucky this time. Learn how to say no to a client.
Tom, I couldn’t agree more! Who knows what lurks in a studded kitchen wall to be drilling that diameter and depth... while his choice of hardware is commendable from an ingenuity point of view. I too have over 3 decades of Finish/Cabinetry experience and my first couple of years may have looked like this install as well! With experience comes knowledge of planning ahead, which you’ve explained perfectly during the course of construction. Another point I would make would be the use of portable bench/work station where you’re not using your Knees as clamps and using templates/jigs for repetitive tasks. Bottom line is he got it done and looked good!
That's all well and good but this is how they're installed in existing construction around the world every day.... well, better than this usually this dude has no patience.
I always drill a half inch hole in stud, a threaded rod screws in making its own thread and then put 5/8 hole in shelf works well , slightly bend rods so that the shelf is friction fit.
@@tomruth9487 Well I drill 1/2" short of stud depth , Cables where I am normally run straight up and down the walls and if horizontal, generally at the bottom. You can get cable detectors if you feel the need
@@tomruth9487 Well depend what shelves are i generally make ply ones buy laminating sheets of ply together and then eyeballing it if u used three sheets you could cut slots in the middle one to guide drill and then glue or if two sheets just rebate with router and glue together
@@handyfix9665 ,Yeah, that's essentially what I do, I might make shelves with voids and use three 1/2" pieces of plywood or MDF. Plywood makes for stronger shelves but then you have the rougher edges to deal with. Not sure what you do with the edges? I like your idea of leaving slots in the middle sheet as a drill guide. But then I guess you have to know where your studs fall before you make the shelves. Anyway, lots of ways to do it I guess. But I do like your method of 1/2' all thread and 5/8" on the shelf holes.
I just watched a floating shelf installation on Bourbon Moth Woodworking’s channel.... his was a little better executed .... but you’re wayyy better looking 😁
Jennifer Farsh, I just watched that video also. He did a pretty good job and they are fairly strong, but you still have to watch what you put on them. You will notice after he put all his weight on the shelf, it bent some and stayed that way. I bet he bent it back up after the camera was off. My point is, it's ok as he did it, but floating shelves are not easy as there is a large lever action trying to pull the brackets and screws from the wall, just like a prybar pulling a nail. Deeper shelves and more weight make it worse.
for anyone reading this, use a drill press to drill a hole straight through a 2-3" thick piece of wood. Now you have a jig to use so when you use your cordless drill, to drill straight holes.
Tried that, made a perfect oak jig, first one was a charm but they came out crooked anyway after that even screwing the jig to the wall. I might try a plunge router? Anyway - this video showed a workaround with hollow metal pipe to bend-adjust and industrial adhesive weirdness that,well, worked in the end.
You almost blew through one of the shelves (bulge) and still put it in a customer’s home? You can definitely learn from this video. Don’t use spade or auger on cheap MDF. Anyways, keep learning, and stay humble.
OMG I tried the same thing last night, had to think about pictures on the wall on the other side too! My show stopper was getting my 1/2" rods perpendicular to the wall. I made an oak drill jig and the first one was a charm, 2 after that total fails and had 9 left to go. Gave up. If starting again I would try a plunge router screwed to thew wall. Now I've seen your valiant rescue of crooked rods with hollow rod leverage, industrial adhesive and props to hold it level while it sets, I might actually try to finish this. How long did you wait for PL Premium to set?
Update: I'm going ahead, bought a 3 foot metal pipe perfect internal diameter for adjusting my threaded rods and it works like a charm to make them perfectly level and perpendicular to the wall. I know what is my my wall already because I'm the one who built it originally so at least I don't have to worry about hitting something bad or missing a stud. What are your shelves made of? My plan A is to buy some good 1.75" oak, dressed, from a good supplier here in London, Ontario.
Shelves are pretty bad design... Those holes in the studs could easily have punctured pipes or wires that were running through them. I would never install something with that amount of risk. Glad it didn't hit anything though lol
You're right, but in my case I had built the wall and so knew what was in it. Still I wish I had drilled the holes for the rods into the studs with a drill press BEFORE I built the wall. I find it impossible to reliably get perpendicular holes now even with a jig - so the adjustment tips here I am hoping will save my job.
I'm going to try a diy jig to get nice parallel holes and maybe use your pipe and glue hacks for backup. This guy recently dialed it in and demoed strength of 1/2" all thread. ruclips.net/video/5fAdRs6CDVg/видео.html
I’ve had my measure twice cut three times days. You’re a human being like the rest of us, not everyone is a Norm Abrams. I appreciate your honesty and willingness to show your vulnerability, a hallmark of a true professional.
Came here from your video posted today. For some reason (and I mean no offense) but it is actually enjoyable to watch you struggle through a job. I thought about it for a while before commenting, and I think it comes down to how relatable it is. I feel some sense of comradery because I’ve been there before! Anyway, keep up the great work, I always look forward to your videos!
The run to the other side of the wall before commencing with the hammering gave me confidence I'm checking out the right channel! For learning and laughs. Gotta have both.
Thanks for the info. This helps me a lot. Thanks for having the courage to show your mistakes.
My pleasure!
Beautiful!
Shelves are beautiful as well.
thanks for the video i just learned something.
Lol, happens to us all. This is the hardest part about doing estimates. You win some, you lose some. Have you gone back to see the shelves? I find it best to cut the drywall out around the shelf to make them stronger, the drywall is the weak point unless it is just holding light stuff.
Let's not worry about whether there's some horizontal electric wire going through those studs. Just feel lucky.
As a cabinetmaker for 35 years this was hard to watch. But thanks for the pickle tip I may use that sometime. Floating shelves with no visible support should really be started in the framing stage of the house with steel welded brackets screwed or bolted to the sides of the studs. The shelves should be made with voids for the brackets with lateral wiggle room. Having said that it's possible to do what you're trying to do, but there is a huge risk as you found out. Floating shelves like a floating cabinet sounds easy but it's really not. I guess you know that now. Sorry you had to go through this, but a good learning lesson for all of us so thanks. Btw, they did look nice in the end, you do good work. If I were in your shoes, I would run away from retrofit floating shelf jobs, drilling blind into walls that deep is asking for a real disaster, consider yourself lucky this time. Learn how to say no to a client.
Tom, I couldn’t agree more! Who knows what lurks in a studded kitchen wall to be drilling that diameter and depth... while his choice of hardware is commendable from an ingenuity point of view. I too have over 3 decades of Finish/Cabinetry experience and my first couple of years may have looked like this install as well! With experience comes knowledge of planning ahead, which you’ve explained perfectly during the course of construction. Another point I would make would be the use of portable bench/work station where you’re not using your Knees as clamps and using templates/jigs for repetitive tasks. Bottom line is he got it done and looked good!
That's all well and good but this is how they're installed in existing construction around the world every day.... well, better than this usually this dude has no patience.
I always drill a half inch hole in stud, a threaded rod screws in making its own thread and then put 5/8 hole in shelf works well , slightly bend rods so that the shelf is friction fit.
Sounds like an ok plan. How deep do you drill into the studs and are you ever afraid of hitting an electrical wire?
@@tomruth9487 Well I drill 1/2" short of stud depth , Cables where I am normally run straight up and down the walls and if horizontal, generally at the bottom.
You can get cable detectors if you feel the need
@@handyfix9665 Ok that sounds good, plenty of strength then there. How do you keep the hole going straight in the shelf? You just eyeball it?
@@tomruth9487 Well depend what shelves are i generally make ply ones buy laminating sheets of ply together and then eyeballing it
if u used three sheets you could cut slots in the middle one to guide drill and then glue or if two sheets just rebate with router and glue together
@@handyfix9665 ,Yeah, that's essentially what I do, I might make shelves with voids and use three 1/2" pieces of plywood or MDF. Plywood makes for stronger shelves but then you have the rougher edges to deal with. Not sure what you do with the edges? I like your idea of leaving slots in the middle sheet as a drill guide. But then I guess you have to know where your studs fall before you make the shelves. Anyway, lots of ways to do it I guess. But I do like your method of 1/2' all thread and 5/8" on the shelf holes.
I just watched a floating shelf installation on Bourbon Moth Woodworking’s channel.... his was a little better executed .... but you’re wayyy better looking 😁
Jennifer Farsh, I just watched that video also. He did a pretty good job and they are fairly strong, but you still have to watch what you put on them. You will notice after he put all his weight on the shelf, it bent some and stayed that way. I bet he bent it back up after the camera was off. My point is, it's ok as he did it, but floating shelves are not easy as there is a large lever action trying to pull the brackets and screws from the wall, just like a prybar pulling a nail. Deeper shelves and more weight make it worse.
for anyone reading this, use a drill press to drill a hole straight through a 2-3" thick piece of wood. Now you have a jig to use so when you use your cordless drill, to drill straight holes.
Tried that, made a perfect oak jig, first one was a charm but they came out crooked anyway after that even screwing the jig to the wall. I might try a plunge router? Anyway - this video showed a workaround with hollow metal pipe to bend-adjust and industrial adhesive weirdness that,well, worked in the end.
Good pivot! 👏👏👏
Maybe pilot drill smaller holes then get into it with the 3/4 bit it won't want to wander as much if it wanders at all. Just saying.
Man your facial expression at 8:00. You got this man! =D
You almost blew through one of the shelves (bulge) and still put it in a customer’s home?
You can definitely learn from this video. Don’t use spade or auger on cheap MDF. Anyways, keep learning, and stay humble.
Where did you get 1.5 inch white wood?
Would this have been fine if you had a drill guide for the 3/4 hole?
Any Amazon links with the tools that I need to buy to fix walls crack and wholes ? Thank you
The mystery is how did you fit the biscuits in for the second shelf?!?!
I think your second shelf had a line routed rather than 3 separate slots
i was wondering the same thing.
OMG I tried the same thing last night, had to think about pictures on the wall on the other side too! My show stopper was getting my 1/2" rods perpendicular to the wall. I made an oak drill jig and the first one was a charm, 2 after that total fails and had 9 left to go. Gave up. If starting again I would try a plunge router screwed to thew wall. Now I've seen your valiant rescue of crooked rods with hollow rod leverage, industrial adhesive and props to hold it level while it sets, I might actually try to finish this. How long did you wait for PL Premium to set?
Update: I'm going ahead, bought a 3 foot metal pipe perfect internal diameter for adjusting my threaded rods and it works like a charm to make them perfectly level and perpendicular to the wall. I know what is my my wall already because I'm the one who built it originally so at least I don't have to worry about hitting something bad or missing a stud. What are your shelves made of? My plan A is to buy some good 1.75" oak, dressed, from a good supplier here in London, Ontario.
Can you make a video about your pickle recipe?
maybe i'm missing something,...but... by the typical norm... where are the cabinets?? lol
What about the tile?? Horrible cuts to.the edges. Hopefully it's not done but from the looks of it it is. Man how do people overlook this?
A much better solution is to simply install regular kitchen cabinets instead of those shelves.
Buen Trabajo
Dude that's a finished shelf and u used some board to beat it down? You need to.put something in-between the shelf and that board lol.
I like your work mate. 👌👌
That's not a Vaughn hammer tho...🤔
i noticed that as well :-)
Shelves are pretty bad design... Those holes in the studs could easily have punctured pipes or wires that were running through them. I would never install something with that amount of risk. Glad it didn't hit anything though lol
You dont just randomly drill a hole without checking pipe, wire or even metal beam. Everything D.I.Y involves risk if you didnt do your homework.
@@Ndendy1 Yeah he was lucky the lights didn't go out. Been there done that and I was only using a 2" finish nail.
You're right, but in my case I had built the wall and so knew what was in it. Still I wish I had drilled the holes for the rods into the studs with a drill press BEFORE I built the wall. I find it impossible to reliably get perpendicular holes now even with a jig - so the adjustment tips here I am hoping will save my job.
How do you check for those things?@@Ndendy1
I'm going to try a diy jig to get nice parallel holes and maybe use your pipe and glue hacks for backup. This guy recently dialed it in and demoed strength of 1/2" all thread. ruclips.net/video/5fAdRs6CDVg/видео.html
What are the rods threaded into in the walls?
Stud.
I dont like them, take them out. Lol
Ahhh! good point! Not easily undoable!