Making Sense Of “Trumpism” - Learn Liberty
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- Disclaimer: This interview was produced in 2016 by the Institute For Humane Studies, prior to Students For Liberty's acquisition of Learn Liberty. The opinions of this interviewer are his own and are not that of SFL.
Donald Trump is part of a much bigger phenomenon, explains Professor Steve Davies.
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TRANSCRIPT:
Dave Rubin: What is happening globally that this isn't just a ... I mean, I think everyone in America thinks everything's about us all the time and this is just our phenomenon and has nothing to do with anything else.
Steve Davies: Well, absolutely. There's something really strange going on here in the United States, I think it's fair to say. Although, maybe not that strange, because I actually think that what's happening with Donald Trump is possibly a more widespread phenomenon in most western democracies, which is the rise of a kind of politics that's commonly described, I think, misleadingly, as right-wing populism. What it actually is is a politics that combines left-of-century economics, strong support for the welfare state, with an extremely unpleasant kind of nativism, anti-globalization, nationalism, and that's pretty much where Donald Trump is coming from. It's straight forward [Hamiltonian 00:00:51] economic nationalism combined with a very unpleasant kind of identity politics, I would say.
Dave Rubin: Yeah.
Steve Davies: He's not alone. He's part of a much bigger phenomenon.
Dave Rubin: Okay, so let's unpack a couple of those phrases then. You'd say this isn't a right-winged phenomenon because his politics are kind of lame, right? He is using nationalism, so that is more of the right side.
Steve Davies: Yeah.
Dave Rubin: What were the other parts that were ...
Steve Davies: Well, there's also support from welfare state, but on a strictly national basis. I mean, the correct name for this kind of politics, I think, is nationalist collectivism. You could call it national socialism, but that's kind of been claimed already.
Dave Rubin: That might be a little too scary.
Steve Davies: Be too scary, yeah. It's nationalist collectivism, basically. It's on the rise across most western democracies. A few exceptions like Spain, Portugal, Ireland, but otherwise, this is the kind of politics we see on the rise everywhere, I'm afraid. Marine Le Pen in France, Geert Wilders in the Netherlands, Donald Trump here. Pretty much everywhere. Canada is another exception.
Dave Rubin: What is happening globally that is caused that this isn't just a phenomenon? I mean, I think everyone in America thinks everything's about us all the time and this is just our phenomenon and it's nothing to do with anything else, but what's happening globally?
Steve Davies: Well, there are two things, I think. One of them is that a lot of the support for this kind of politics comes from older, working-class voters in what you would call the Rust Belt, decayed, ex-industrial areas where life has not been good for quite a long time, and these people feel that they're ignored by the political establishment, that the system is not working in their interests, and they're kicking back.
Dave Rubin: Yeah.
Steve Davies: That's one reason.
Dave Rubin: Some of that, you would argue, is legit, right?
Steve Davies: Yes, certainly. Yeah, indeed. They're quite right, life has been pretty hard for them for quite a long time.
Dave Rubin: Yeah.
Steve Davies: The other thing, though, which I actually think is more important is to do with the politics of identity. It's to do with a feeling that a certain kind of identity is under threat from the process of globalization, cosmopolitanism, maybe political correctness, a whole bunch of stuff like that. There's a very powerful cultural reaction, a reassertion of a certain kind of identity, and I think that is what is really potent and really driving this kind of politics.
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Nationalism is NOT a right-wing phenomenon! It is, in fact, agnostic of left and right. You can be a Leftist, a Conservative, a Classical Liberal, etc. and still be nationalistic.
Exactly
I heard a few words in between the orchestral score
Did they just say trump is left of center economically...... he is to the right of center economically. I never knew being against free trade overwhelms everything else the guy stands for
Yeah doesn't make much sense does it.... These people just make up shit as they go along...
Santiago Broncano trumps against the welfare state(besides social security)
Santiago Broncano hence the word besides social security. And the military is not a socialist program. Its merely a government program
+Santiago Broncano You obviously don't even know the definition of the word socialism.
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He hasn't moved left of center, hes always economically been to the right, socially in the middle if you listened to any of his speeches without lashing out at people
for a smart person, you have what i consider a shallow, bookish viewpoint. Trump is a conservative with a bombastic voice, a bullish attitude and a reasonably generous heart ... and oh yes, he hates left wing thuggery and misguided progressive idealism.
Anyway, whats the background music?
Vivaldi - Winter
I voted Trump as a Libertarian for very obvious reasons. Our guy was clearly against Libertarian values and shouod have never been up there to represent us
It's a soap
But so was Trump. I don't understand the rhetoric that "The Libertarian candidate may not have all the libertarian ideals I have, so I will vote for someone that is even further from my position to show the LP how unhappy I am." It just has no basis in reason.
Gary was a discount democrat are you kidding me? He was the least qualified of the 3 lib representatives
I'm a conservative-libertarian and I want the Lib party to become the new UKIP but if they keep this shit up I'm going to abandon it for the Republican party
Turn down the music just a hint plz
Or just altogether turn it off while the people are talking.
If it's Bach, then it'll be back.
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What a great speaking voice.
right, in one way, they chose a huge voting block, and called them the enemy, not realizing, somehow that this would result in higher turnout, and, honestly, it could get higher for quite a long time or large amount, if they really feel threatened.
I wish trump would speak out against the welfare state, I'd be able to support him more that way
I do love A Vivaldi, but come on.
Ah, Vivaldi and Economics
National "Collectivism"? That's interesting.
Its also called sovereignty. Nothin new. Acedemic bullscheissen
Liberals don't like nationalism.
What can I say. It's the conservatives that resonate with Trump, not the liberals. This is the fact of the matter.
If you didn't notice, he ran on a republican ticket, after defeating all of the rest of the republicans. It is the conservatives, not the liberals that elected Trump. Is this really even a question? lol
and? the republicans are often subject to populists gaining their nomination because they actually respect the democratic process and DON'T doctor their own primaries, unlike the DNC.
ok, this has nothing to do with Hamiltonian economic nationalism because Hamilton was all about socialism and Trump is the opposite. This is more about Jeffersonian economic capitalism.
I despise Trump, but I don't see how he's collectivist. What has he said or done that implies such a label?
HumbleVladimirTheGreat are you daft. do you not listen to him. look at the rhetoric and look for an implied duty to a group
I have not heard anything of the sort except for nationalism. Collectivism is usually associated with large government controlling the economy (socialism), but to the contrary Trump has promised to cut several government departments and reduce taxes by large amounts. If you have any direct quotes from him about wanting a bigger government I would appreciate you giving them.
National Collectivism is the current Putinist model. Trump is clearly a step in that direction. But it isn't clear what his policies will be. What we can understand from his first speech is a mix of trickle down, protectionism, and big public stimulus (infrastructures). Higher deficits with a massive tax cut? Nobody knows what he wants to do and how he will do it, since rethoric "trumped" rationality big time. Trumpism will collapse under the weight of its own contradictions.
Steve Davies is a smart guy but he is skirting around label on Trump what he is, probably out of denial. But what we have in Trump is a National Socialist president. Steve does not want to admit it.
The man is filling his cabinet up with neocon warhawks, many of whom were on the stage during 9/11. And Trump has been surrounded by corporate businessmen who are card carrying right wing Likud Party members. He is not so much ultra-pro Israeli as he is an ultra-pro Likud Party.
If you haven't heard about the Likud Party, its founder was the world's first self-identifying terrorist murdering Palestinians in cold blood while WWII was in progress and german soldiers fighting alongside the allies. After the war he kept at it, while blowing up the British embassy over there. The goal was the eventual formation of Israel.
Today, the Likud Party is ultra right wing, racist, anti-semetic against muslims and very corporate-centric it is basically National Socialism, Nazi, or we can put the smiley face on it and say its Neocon.
It has control of Israel today, and its wishes, Trump will do.
Why? Because he has "a lot of friends" his words and relationships he does not want to see sour. That is Trump, plain and simple.
Things like "they're invading our country!" Is collectivist, even if he isnt refferring to all immigrants, he generally means all illegal immigrants.
Usually I appreciate your videos but what was the point of this? If your going to make outlandish statements atleast give some sort of explanation.
He's using common sense. Most economists don't understand psychological econ. All cultures are NOT THE SAME! Trump is also correct, the current version of free trade is NOT free trade.
wich is the music at the bottom?
Pablo Esquivel its the four seasons by vivaldi specifically the first part of the winter concerto
SgtZackaroni thank you
The music makes this unwatchable.
No.
Center-left economics, but the kind where Trump cut Medicaid.
How about you don't label differing politics "unpleasant" because you disagree with them personally.
I think he's going to be bollocks, but the reason he was the better option was obvious. People are becoming self-victimizing rude assholes at an alarming rate and they need to get bent.
Background music too distracting for kids
It is hilarious that everyone think it is strange, when someone is telling the truth.
Trump is nationalist. And nationalism is collectivism based on nation, so he is collectivist as well. Anyone who disagrees, can reply to me their arguments on why he is not for national collectivism.
I understand your point on a semantic level. However, if American nationalism is basically just American pride, and that pride is rooted in liberal and individualist values, wouldn't that make this brand of nationalism less collectivist than globalism, and perhaps the enemy of it?
Anthony Travis Patriotism is american pride. Nationalism is the sacrifice of the individual for the good of the nation. And it's judging people based on their nationality rather than their values.
Rick Apocalypse And you're convinced what is happening is mostly (by your definitions) nationalism rather than patriotism?
Anthony Travis Yes. Because people are being hostile towards immigrants and trade with foreign nations. Trump wants to punish companies who don't produce their stuff in America. That's nationalism.
Rick Apocalypse Well, I speak for only myself, but my motivations for voting for Trump had nothing to do with hate and everything to do with love for my country. It's ok for Central Americans to have pride in their countries (even though many seem to want to live here), but it's not ok for me to want the best for my country? Last I checked, there are billions of people on this planet who do not have a constitutional right to move to the United States. I wouldn't call that hostility. It's just the way it is.
This is really wrong.
Trump has never addressed specifically white or specifically men in his speeches, while all left-wing politicians did target specific demographics lots and lots of times.
I agree that white men do align with Trump and Republicans more because of the PC and SJWs, but Trump has never pushed for that, just used it to his advantage.
It's not *that* wrong, but I get what you mean. Trump is one of the only voices for a healthy national identity at the moment, which makes him the defacto enemy of the establishment's extreme left, collectivist, anti-American narrative.
It's easy to call an earnest patriot a n@zi when you have distorted the public debate to the point where the policies of Chairman Mao are sold as centrist.
Why does this guy think nationalism and anti-globalism are bad?
Because it's collectivism. It sacrifices the will of the individual for the good of the collective - in this case, the nation. It makes the government bigger, which is the opposite of what libertarians and conservatives want. It means less freedom to trade and to immigrate. It leads to discrimination against people who are not part of the collective: either immigrants or Americans who are not "american enough", like muslims and sons of immigrants. And it leads to less cooperation (economic and military) between nations, which makes the world less safe and more poor.
Rick Apocalypse I see where you're coming from. But these days, nationalism is the antidote to globalism and cultural Marxism.
Mr. Game & Watch These are very vague terms. Can you be specific on what you mean by globalism and cultural marxism ?
Isn't globalism MORE collectivist than nationalism?
Mr. Game & Watch voluntarism is the cure to globalism
The reason for national socialism is socialism.
He's the biggest conman of all time, what's to figure out.. He'll get rich and leave us holding the bag..like duh
Why are you holding the bag for. Boy, all of the rich people must build bigger houses to hide stack and stack of $100 dollar bills.
One book you should read is the Atlas Shrugged, you might learn something about reality.
Well it's 2020 and Trump is scamming his supporters to settle his campaign debt. You called it.
Did he just compare Trump to the Nazis at 1:23 ?
Trump's not much of a socialist.. (lower taxes, rolling back health care, position on mining, net neutrality). He's not much of a right wing, fiscal conservative either... (trade protectionism, ). Nationalism to me is neither a right or left position, it's a largely independent axis (e.g. Nazis = nationalism + socialism for lefty nationalists), (I guess you'd put border protection policies in here?) I don't think he cares particularly about individualism either.
Is it just me, or does Dave Rubin resemble Bill Paxton?
Trump is good because he put tariff which is against everything this channel preaches.
I uh-guh-reee with that -- Rave Dubin
Hi
Another guy with a fancy accent trying to explain how trump won. They'll be dissecting this for forty years, hahaha MAGA
I don't care, please stop advertising this stuff to me google.
What a disgraceful video to see posted by Learn Liberty, of all channels. Didn't think these guys would fall for the "orange man bad" media bullshit.
This made v little sense of trumpism
quite eloquently put.
Russia still loves and supports our Trump под конец дня рождения
But how does that effect transgender bathroom entitlements?