Can Modern Parts Make An Old Bike Fast?

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @gcn
    @gcn  Месяц назад +15

    What would you do if you were given a budget for a bike? Upgrade a Retro classic? Buy a frame and pick your build kit? Or even just buy off of the shelf?

    • @dazza9129
      @dazza9129 Месяц назад +3

      Maybe buy off the shelf. I don't have the tools nor the experience to build one from the frame up.

    • @michaelkearney576
      @michaelkearney576 Месяц назад +6

      I’ve got retro mod I’ve built from frame up. C 1982 Battaglin frame within 9000 Dura Ace and mavic ksyrium elite wheels. Cost about £1.2k all up. It’s a great way to get cool bike at a decent price.

    • @MrMichaelfalk
      @MrMichaelfalk Месяц назад +7

      buy an alu "entry" bike, with 105 groupset - and have a bike for the next 10 years... cheap and just as fun..

    • @morlamweb
      @morlamweb Месяц назад +8

      I'd buy an old frame with low-spec components on it and upgrade it with mid-range parts. You'd get 90% of the bike as in this video but at perhaps 1/6th the price. Restro-mods can be economical if you don't use the most expensive parts.

    • @jordyd8916
      @jordyd8916 Месяц назад

      Scallmalloy frame, deep section wheels, 105 wireless Di2.
      But also, all the tools to do all installments and maintenance myself.
      Also, pay somebody to help me set up the bike.

  • @Crall-xb8he
    @Crall-xb8he Месяц назад +60

    How about now updating the frame, forks, bars etc to modern standards and see how fast you can push those retro bar end caps?

  • @matt_acton-varian
    @matt_acton-varian Месяц назад +185

    To borrow an analogy from the car world, riding a slow bike fast is much more fun than riding a fast bike slow. Thrashing a retro bike as hard as it can take is much more thrilling than doing zone 1 or zone 2 training on a top end racer. If the bike gives Alex more smiles per mile, more power to him for this build.

    • @MethodOverRide
      @MethodOverRide Месяц назад +11

      This is party why I have picked up cycling. 25 mph on a bike is much more thrilling than 25 mph in a sports car.

    • @bergbilch
      @bergbilch Месяц назад +4

      You dont even have to ride a slow bike fast because the tiniest amount of speed is going to feel like youre going at lightspeed^^
      Going downhill with cooked coaster brakes is a level of excitement you only reach with modern bikes when it becomes life threatening:D

    • @SeeYouUpTheRoad
      @SeeYouUpTheRoad Месяц назад +1

      I use this expression on my channel often!

    • @vetta2424
      @vetta2424 Месяц назад +1

      Exactly! "s/m" (smiles per miles) should be the number one measurement for judging a bike.

    • @Milkywayboy
      @Milkywayboy Месяц назад +1

      Zone 2 on a sick bike is fun too

  • @andismith4297
    @andismith4297 Месяц назад +329

    I'm more concerned by the limits of a retro rider . . .

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Месяц назад +20

      😂😂😂 love this comment

    • @LazyGrayF0x
      @LazyGrayF0x Месяц назад +1

      Comment of the century

    • @a1white
      @a1white Месяц назад +9

      Some components can’t be upgraded 😕

    • @smithpauld1501
      @smithpauld1501 Месяц назад

      So, SO many limits

    • @n22pdf
      @n22pdf Месяц назад +1

      Brilliant comment 😅😅

  • @colinricketts1415
    @colinricketts1415 Месяц назад +101

    I got an early 90's bottecchia and added a 11 speed Ultegra groupset from ebay, finishing kit from spare parts. It rides really well, looks battered in a good way and does everything I need it to - and cost about £800 in total.
    I looked for ages but my spares box didn't contain any dura ace cranksets!

    • @reinholdachleitner2069
      @reinholdachleitner2069 Месяц назад +1

      Very nice,I'm looking to upgrade my Peugeot Monaco 90's road bike with 7800 dura-ace parts but the problem is that the 7800 crankset are usually badly worn.😏

    • @WendsH
      @WendsH Месяц назад +3

      Sounds a lot like my build! I got a free '86 Panasonic, bought Microshift shifters, bought a freehub axle for the 126 mm drops because I didn't want to keep the freewheel (and of course bought a correlating cassette), bought 40mm DT Swiss clincher rims and aluminum spokes. Laced up my own wheels, did the conversion myself. Sure, it's only 14 speed (up from 10, so I say that's a win), but with 53/40 biopace chainrings in the front and 11-28 in the back, it absolutely flies on the flats and the downhill (beats my modern bike on the downhill easily, surprisingly enough). SO much fun, and the upgrade cost me about $400. Sure wish I had Alex's box of spare Dura Ace parts, though. Would've turned it into even more of a beast than it already is!

    • @JoakimGarde
      @JoakimGarde Месяц назад

      The Bike-ini edition...

    • @imspyingonyou2243
      @imspyingonyou2243 Месяц назад

      Maybe look in the spare parts box again around Xmas.

  • @nikanj
    @nikanj Месяц назад +214

    8:13 8.28kg isn't lightweight? GCN is like 90's Vogue for bikes. It gives regular bikes body image issues.

    • @FTA38yearfreeride
      @FTA38yearfreeride Месяц назад +17

      Is large frame, so is less then 1kg above a modern bike,With the light wheels you wil NEVER notice it.

    • @Zerotonin666
      @Zerotonin666 Месяц назад +6

      My brand new bike is 11kg (admitted, including bottle cages, bottles, saddle bag with spare tube and multitool, garmin edge and garmin varia) 😮

    • @peterwillson1355
      @peterwillson1355 Месяц назад +4

      They have weak arms.

    • @heksogen4788
      @heksogen4788 Месяц назад +1

      It's lighter than entry road bike, but heavier than medium priced bikes like TCR 0 or SuperSix EVO 3.

    • @zhuyufan1186
      @zhuyufan1186 Месяц назад +1

      That's actually the weight of a typical Budget Chinese all carbon build for probably 1/4 of the price for Alex's build... And the groupset, wheelset we are talking about are all entry level stuff.

  • @tjohnson200
    @tjohnson200 Месяц назад +26

    Neo retro bikes always look excellent

  • @HaroldLepper
    @HaroldLepper Месяц назад +10

    I love the passion Alex put into this project, and creating something like this makes ownership much more personal.

  • @markn4526
    @markn4526 Месяц назад +5

    There's just something so elegant about a steel framed bike with a chromed fork. My retired 1991 colonia red Tommasini Super Prestige with Campagnolo C-Record is now the centerpiece of my man cave.

  • @hypojames
    @hypojames Месяц назад +80

    Need some power meter tests with this really. Most of the disadvantages compared to the modern bikes must be psychological in the real world

    • @augustofernandes7777
      @augustofernandes7777 Месяц назад +11

      i think so too. The placebo effect can be positive or negative. Like the stradivarius vaiolin experiment, the experts were unable to identify the million-dollar violin and mistook it for violins worth less than a thousand dollars when they listened blindfolded.

    • @askmeaboutmattweiner
      @askmeaboutmattweiner Месяц назад +11

      Shimano power meter so I don't know how valuable that data would be...

    • @StopTheRot
      @StopTheRot Месяц назад +7

      I’ve run this experiment - accidentally really - and the old bikes are MUCH slower up hills. It’s genuinely surprising.

    • @mybuickskill6979
      @mybuickskill6979 Месяц назад +4

      Some wahoo numbers would have been useful. If they put down 400w for the ride and he did 350w that would prove it's the rider. So I agree there

    • @FTA38yearfreeride
      @FTA38yearfreeride Месяц назад

      @@mybuickskill6979 400w ???🤣

  • @andreemurray7039
    @andreemurray7039 Месяц назад +35

    As long as you enjoy it so what my bike is 14 years old I look after it and enjoy riding it

  • @dazza9129
    @dazza9129 Месяц назад +56

    No matter what the price of the bike is, as long as it makes you enjoy cycling and be healthy, it's money well spent. Health is wealth.

    • @andypicken7848
      @andypicken7848 Месяц назад +6

      dazza9129
      That's right dazz. The most important thing is to get out and cycle the cost of the bike and your clothing is secondary. For example there is little point in having a 3K bike if it never leaves the garage

    • @pierrex3226
      @pierrex3226 Месяц назад

      Hmmm no. There's such a thing as financial irresponsibility.

  • @glennvanhulst1774
    @glennvanhulst1774 Месяц назад +48

    Projects like these, in my opinion, don’t necessarily require top-of-the-line new modern components. A more moderate approach is likely more suitable, and I’d definitely recommend avoiding conversions to Di2, for example.

    • @HugoMerlhes
      @HugoMerlhes Месяц назад +15

      Second hands mechanical 11 speed dura ace + older version of C40 or C60 wheels should be more appropriate and way less expensive

    • @popase05
      @popase05 Месяц назад +3

      Yeah I feel that's where Alex is really disconnected from people who uses their own money to make this kind of build. He's a sucker for Durace. I really like the philosophy for these kind of builds, passion projects, but it just doesn't feel right

    • @HugoMerlhes
      @HugoMerlhes Месяц назад +5

      @@popase05 the thing is, shimano sponsored the project so it's normal for them to use brand new parts. It's just not appropriate for normal users

    • @Hayzie93
      @Hayzie93 Месяц назад +3

      100% agree. I did up a 90's Apollo steel frame with ~2019 11sp 105 and it was the most fun road bike I've ever ridden.

  • @francescocappelletti-s6q
    @francescocappelletti-s6q Месяц назад +7

    Can't believe how flexy that fork is at 10:13 !!! I have a 1980s' Eroica steel bike and always noted that (wanted) flex but with the rigidity of carbon wheel and slowmotion.. wow!!!

  • @ShawnStradamus520
    @ShawnStradamus520 Месяц назад +2

    A full on neo-retro build with a classic frame and modern components...This is the one that I've been waiting for!

  • @frankreyes4
    @frankreyes4 Месяц назад

    A+ Video!
    Reason:
    1. Gave us a great passion project experiment
    2. Went for a ride together
    3. Honest, candid conversation that came to a great conclusion.
    This is the better GCN .
    (Less script and formula)

  • @SuperCrex
    @SuperCrex Месяц назад +2

    I'm a huge fan of the orange paint scheme. I don't know why more manufacturers don't make orange bikes. It is the vehicle equivalent or a "resto-mod" with the retro frame along with the updated components. Love it.

  • @alanfreeman7932
    @alanfreeman7932 Месяц назад +12

    Alex how would you have faired on the original equipment supplied with the bike , that would be the ideal comparison to say if the upgrade was worth while or not

    • @pb03-11
      @pb03-11 Месяц назад

      Indeed. Also, I feel he had completely ruined the bike with the parts he had chosen.

    • @sssxxxttt
      @sssxxxttt Месяц назад

      Yes this would be fair. I would guess it would be heavier and the wheels probably make quite a difference. I own an old steel, mavic tubular, down tube shifters, 9,5 kg bike that is actually quite fast. But it's no match for my considerable stiffer 11 speed 7kg carbon ride.

  • @rlckbarnes2038
    @rlckbarnes2038 Месяц назад

    There is an old saying: " Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". The same can be said for value. I love what was done here, mostly because I am thinking of doing the same thing, but with a 25 year old Softride Road wing. I currently am riding a new Cervelo R5 built with Dura Ace, but also have this Softride that I bought new in 2000. I just pulled out the Softride a week ago, slipped on my Sidi Genius shoes from the same year, and dawned my old Briko sunglasses (Cippo would be proud!). I had such a great time riding this old steeds, that I have been searching for a new Dura Ace groupset. Worth the cost compared to a new modern bike? Well, again I must say that value is in the eye of the beholder.
    Well done guys, I loved this video and build of a classic bike.

  • @DamianoCarrioli
    @DamianoCarrioli Месяц назад +6

    I did exactly that with my late ‘80s Bianchi Specialissima. Dura-Ace, Carbon Mavic tubular wheels, Columbus carbon fork and aero cockpit. And guess what I love it and don’t care when people tell me I’m crazy or doesn’t look “correct for the era”. 😊

  • @mattkansy1763
    @mattkansy1763 Месяц назад +11

    I did something similar. Mid 90’s Bianchi TSX Ultralight Reparto Corse. With updated fork and Ultegra 11sp. Rides brilliantly, but not light by today’s standards at all. Fun to ride, super comfortable and I was able to keep my pride and joy.

    • @FTA38yearfreeride
      @FTA38yearfreeride Месяц назад

      @@mattkansy1763 since they started to use disc brakes and electronic shifting today standard is not light.

  • @Keyprinciples9
    @Keyprinciples9 Месяц назад +7

    you can build a bike that looks similar to that, with new lower end parts and end up with a bike that is better than the stock original build, nothing wrong with having a bike that you just enjoy riding without paying the absurd prices for these new bikes. have done it twice for less than $2000 per build.

  • @doctorscoot
    @doctorscoot Месяц назад +13

    Honestly I’d probably just keep the original restored period correct group set. Did Alex say just over a thousand quid?! Beautiful bike for the money. Obviously not with the modern di2 but still, a thing of beauty and perfection for a cafe ride, you’d be the envy of the group with that thing. Sure, if I was rich, I might do what Alex did, but I can only afford one bike at most with dura-ace di2 and given the cost, it’d have to be a modern carbon frame

    • @a1white
      @a1white Месяц назад +2

      Especially when you consider the original bike, with original groupset cost just £1000 he basically spent 7x the value of the bike on new components. A bit ridiculous.

  • @MrGarycoww
    @MrGarycoww Месяц назад +22

    Love it,but not 8k loving it !😂
    Let's be honest,if you got hold of some deep wheels,the rest of the bike wouldn't be that important, 105 crank,105 derailleurs, aero alloy bars,well under 3k

  • @byrondixon4648
    @byrondixon4648 Месяц назад +4

    Do remember it's NOT semi wireless, it's fully wired as it's di2 rim brake. (Just built one myself)
    Have really enjoyed this series 😁

  • @TESTA-CC
    @TESTA-CC Месяц назад +6

    My Favourite Bikes that I own and ride.
    1. Peugeot Perthus Reynolds 753r Z Team
    2. Vitus Carbone 9 Racing Bike (Sean Kelly) KAS
    3.Vitus 979 Duralinox (Sean Kelly) KAS
    Vintage, Rim Brakes, DownTube Shifters 🤙🤙

  • @jamesmcconnell1401
    @jamesmcconnell1401 Месяц назад +19

    For those of us who don’t compete, ultimate performance isn’t the most important metric - it’s how the bike makes you feel. Yes, the neo-retro is heavier and more flexy, but just look at the thing! I’d much rather ride that than a modern super bike any day. 😍

    • @81caasi
      @81caasi Месяц назад +1

      Also more comfy maybe

  • @doncompton9453
    @doncompton9453 Месяц назад +1

    I am 72yo. I currently have two bikes that I currently ride, both custom built for me. One was built in 2010 and the second I just had built in August with disc brakes. I am not going to be any faster on an aero bike with my realitive upright position. But new components (still 11sp) are pretty nice on my archaic rides.

  • @bimblingalong
    @bimblingalong Месяц назад +2

    that retro-rebuild Pinarello might be slower than the more modern bikes but that best they could ever hope to achieve in the Bike Vault is a 'Super Nice' but that bike you've built Alex... worthy of a Bell Drop! It looks amazing

  • @christianb.1028
    @christianb.1028 Месяц назад +2

    I lately crashed a bike to no fault of my own and the frame got destroyed, so I had a full Ultegra R8000 group set laying around plus some stuff I had anyway (handlebars etc.). Got a Look 461 frame from like 2002 or so from eBay in very good condition and threw everything on that frame. Looks and rides absolutely sweet and saved a vintage frame from the landfill. And it's definitely not slow...

    • @angelostaniscia9766
      @angelostaniscia9766 Месяц назад

      I ride a Look KG461 I bought from an older French Racer, fantastic bike. I know riders are suspect of old Carbon but those bikes that aren't yet vintage or collectable but just "old" are in a sweetspot for price for me and are just plain cool. Like you said, the bike is certainly not slow. Enjoy your rides ✌️.

    • @christianb.1028
      @christianb.1028 Месяц назад +1

      Thanks! I "could" be worried about the carbon/aluminium construction, but I couldn't find a single indication online that one of those frames ever failed due to that, so I'm pretty confident that Look knew what they were doing when building this frame. And since even new bikes from top brands are breaking all the time (snapping forks etc.) I'd actually rather have an older frame that has a couple thousand kilometers on it and evidently DIDN'T break. Of course you never know the history for sure, but I nothing in life is certain anyway...

  • @justinbrown6558
    @justinbrown6558 Месяц назад

    I still have my classic bikes alongside my modern road bike, and still enjoy riding them. It's great to enjoy them and give them an outing on a club ride, where speed/pace isn't so critical. I have found that an upgrade to the fork can make a significant upgrade to a bike's performance... even to change its character. I have a steel Colnago master, and was able to locate an original Colnago star carbon fork with a 1" steerer (as fitted to the 1st generation C40s). Not only is it an authentic upgrade, the gap has been shortened somewhat.

  • @brandtfleming
    @brandtfleming Месяц назад

    Awesome passion project, regardless the price. I love the contrast that Alex has done, old with new. The touch points remain to be the important aspects of the ride/feel. Most passion projects arent meant to be raced, rather enjoyed, fun to see Alex go toe to toe and race it. Great content ... I would love to see something a little more faux pas in the bike world .. being a high end frame built up with a low to mid range groupset with high value / lower budget wheels/rims. A "self build" per say, instead of how the bike industry has created a "bundled" "cheaper" priced bike ( bc being "stuck" into buying a bike, creates a lot of frustration for buyers) .. contrasting the value and effectiveness of both purchases. Uncovering the more reasonable and specific for the rider .

  • @oteq020
    @oteq020 Месяц назад +1

    I love the idea of retromod bicycles. Most of mine are. I don't race. I will never own a groupset that needs plugged in. There's no reason to spend 3k on a groupset for these types of builds in my world. 46-30 cranks have become my go-to. I haven't had a reason to have more than 10 gear cassettes. My latest build is a 2008 masi speciale cx. 10 speed bar-end shifters from Microsoft 700-32 tires. Dia-Compe brakes. 105 derailleurs. Brooks saddle. Smiles for miles and comfortable doing it. Plus, the rear rack easily holds a six-pack.

  • @buster.keaton
    @buster.keaton Месяц назад +5

    I prefer that vintage bikes remain vintage and stay appreciated for what they were (i.e., don't bother with expensive upgrades). Modern components, which are almost always black in color, look odd on colorful and partially chromed steel frames. I much prefer the vintage group sets on vintage bikes... especially when the aluminum is highly polished for an extra bit of "bling" that doesn't exist on today's bikes.

    • @oteq020
      @oteq020 Месяц назад +2

      Love silver components!

  • @GregLanz
    @GregLanz Месяц назад +1

    I've got a modern Cervelo aero aluminum road bike, a modern carbon Colnago road bike, and another classic steel Colnago Master all equipped with Campagnolo componenty and the Cervelo is the fastest but when going on a longer 4+ hour ride I'll choose the steel Master as it's the most comfortable for longer stints. Take the three bikes tested out for a 6 hour ride with the same riders and see how far each would go and also quantify how the rider feels after a long day

    • @jyrkikoskinen8402
      @jyrkikoskinen8402 Месяц назад

      Colnago Master + Campagnolo -parts👍🇮🇹❤️

  • @jamesjimbojames77733
    @jamesjimbojames77733 Месяц назад +3

    @alex I reckon if you took my restomod look dura ace that you super niced recently in the bike vault, it’s 100% as fast as a modern “super bike”…or you could line up some other restomod projects from viewers next to yours in a resto mega test…big interest in these sorts of bikes now!

  • @madyogi6164
    @madyogi6164 Месяц назад

    That bike is actually something. This retro-orange stands out for sure. Head tube is bit high (possibly frame size forces it), but in general - nice toy to have. Keep it.

  • @mybuickskill6979
    @mybuickskill6979 Месяц назад +2

    Can we get power meter readings for this? I know you guys have them. It would just be interesting to see

  • @joachimlyth509
    @joachimlyth509 Месяц назад +22

    That bike deserves Campagnolo!
    Should be illegal to mention Vintage, Italian, Retro and SHIMANO in the same sentence!
    Bring on Super Record 11 mechanical and Bora 35 tubular, now THAT'S a nice bike! 😊

  • @teamzissou5663
    @teamzissou5663 Месяц назад +2

    Beautiful Pinarello! I commend you, Alex. I'd do the full monte and add a carbon fork.
    After a Cervelo R3 and three S-Works Tarmacs over the last 16 years, just last month, I made the move to a Lynskey R300 titanium. Is it as fast as its carbon predecessors? Nope! But I am turning 60 in a couple months and am also not as fast as my previous iterations... 🥲

  • @phillockwood8414
    @phillockwood8414 Месяц назад +1

    Interesting video… that old bike is beautiful. I ride on full carbon.
    I rode a beautiful Klein Quantum Race for years. Aluminum with carbon fork and seat post.
    Then when I was about fifty-five years old, a younger buddy I was riding dropped me on a ten mile stretch of new chip & seal.
    I bought a Volagi Lisio all carbon bicycle with the first disc brakes on a road bicycle.
    It has custom built Aluminum wheels with carbon spokes.
    That changed things IMMEDIATELY and l was able to drop everyone on the the nasty parts of the ride. And on those big downhills on rainy days I rode with confidence.
    I now ride an all carbon Specialized Diverge with 28 mm tires.
    I have not broken any bones since I started riding on the road with 28 mm of tire under me.

    • @ralphc1405
      @ralphc1405 Месяц назад

      Been riding for 30y. A Quantum (or even a C'dale) on chip and seal...great for your teeth fillings.

  • @nerigarcia7116
    @nerigarcia7116 Месяц назад

    The bike looks sharp, the orange really pops. I've recently went back to more classic looking frames with a couple custom double triangle frames, one steel and the other titanium. The look of them with modern parts just appeals to me, but the tubes are a little bigger than a retro frame. I've sold off a lot of my modern carbon frames and opted for these. Plus, the classic look masks my lack of speed in my old age. 😂

  • @chris1275cc
    @chris1275cc Месяц назад

    The cool thing about a project like this that gets overlooked, is it's actually pretty low risk. Because the scope of the build dictated that most of the cost is in the components, and the nature of the build means the parts need to be standard. So you know if it doesn't ride well or to your liking, it almost certainly comes down to the frame-set, and it's probably the cheapest part of the build.

  • @Timberius
    @Timberius Месяц назад +2

    Do this, but give the vintage bike to the strongest rider of the 3 . And make it steel. Not the thinnest tubing (like SL or 531), but slightly thicker like SP, ishiwata 024, or even 525 maybe (something that doesn't flex like a spring absorbing your energy and returning it past the point where it was needed)

  • @bicyclist2
    @bicyclist2 Месяц назад +1

    For those of us who are over 40, this bike really isn't "old". The lugged steel bikes are Old. Lance said, "It's not about the bike". And I'd have to agree with him. Although I'll admit that upgrading certain bike parts is more important than others. The aerodynamic carbon wheels are going to be a bit heavier. The addition of more gears helps. An aluminum frame is good for climbing, and sprinting, but this frame is just huge. Had you built up an old Litespeed, you'd have a more comfortable ride, and it would be lighter. Thanks.

  • @CyclingAlgarvePortugal
    @CyclingAlgarvePortugal Месяц назад +4

    Beautiful setup, enjoy !

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Месяц назад +1

      He better enjoy it for what it cost! Thanks!

    • @CyclingAlgarvePortugal
      @CyclingAlgarvePortugal Месяц назад

      @@gcn He will probably sell this bike in few months for something like 4-5k hehe

  • @aryap2797
    @aryap2797 Месяц назад

    I recently put together a 94' Trek 1400 with a 10spd record group I had laying around and it's such a joy. Its not the fastest but its such a hack putting a more modern groupset on an older frame.

  • @AdeboFunkyVoodoo
    @AdeboFunkyVoodoo Месяц назад

    Outside of racing, what bike you ride doesn't matter. Especially how "fast" it is.
    So long as it's safe, reliable and you enjoy it? Ride what you like.
    Probably my fav bike spot at yesterday's hill climb champs, was an old timer spectator with a Tamassini. You just know he's been riding that thing for 30+ years (racing/club rides/cruising with his mates) and loving every second of it.

  • @justsomedude7556
    @justsomedude7556 Месяц назад

    I like it. Don't ever apologize for a passion project

  • @mickchaganis6607
    @mickchaganis6607 Месяц назад +2

    It is a thing of beauty.
    I love building resto mods, my current build is a C4 Joker, I just don't have the backing of Shimano so it's used Corima wheels, 11 speed Sram Rival mechanical, thinking of 12 speed ratio tech conversion...... Will be around £2000.
    If you say £7000 for Alex's build taking, away his cockpit mistake then he has built an absolutely beautiful bike that stands out from the sea of carbon that is everywhere......... Do the cafe thing again...... who looks at who's bike the most. I know which I'll be wolf whistling at ❤

    • @royc6508
      @royc6508 Месяц назад +1

      Hi. I also have a c4 joker- pretty rare. With HED tri spoke wheels I used to time trial it quite successfully

    • @mickchaganis6607
      @mickchaganis6607 Месяц назад

      ​@@royc6508I hadn't even heard of it till the frame turned up on ebay, I just had to have it........ Frame alone is over 2kg!! Lightweight carbon 😂😂

    • @royc6508
      @royc6508 Месяц назад +1

      @@mickchaganis6607 it was designed to be an endurance comfortable bike. It’s quite aero, especially the front fork. C4 used to build some crazy bikes and I understand that the joker was an adaptation of the track bikes that they designed for the Canadian Olympic team

    • @mickchaganis6607
      @mickchaganis6607 Месяц назад

      ​@@royc6508it will make a super cool resto mod.

  • @markbarter9717
    @markbarter9717 Месяц назад +3

    With the price of new bikes and equipment, I am updating my older frame with new parts and at my level of fitness I am just enjoying riding my bike rather than what watts I produce 😊

  • @gvtrivia6780
    @gvtrivia6780 Месяц назад

    as an owner of a 90s steel frame that is modern fitted... the answer is yes... however, the steel frame seems to generate, if allow me to say, "power losses" due to its flexibility and this can be felt. also... if your frame can accommodate larger width tires that is also part of the losses formula since narrow ones dont ride as fast

  • @TrezTacos5280
    @TrezTacos5280 Месяц назад

    I've updated several 80s steel bikes with updated shimano 105 groupsets... and carbon wheels... they are fun... but not quite the Performance of my new carbon bikes with the same groupset. I do enjoy the sturdy and robust steel ride.

  • @philipgrice1026
    @philipgrice1026 26 дней назад

    I think it's beautiful. Downright beautiful. The bike has character. It has a classic frame that screams "I'm old, but I'm beautiful. I don't care what it cost. It's not built for racing. It's built for admiring.
    I have to admit that one of my bikes is a similar concept. An older aluminium Bianchi Celeste painted frame that I've owned since new 30 years ago, fitted with triple crank Shimano 105 mechanical group-set, skinny aluminium rims fitted with skinny tubs. No electronics. It's all analog. It never fails to get admiring comments and waves from fellow riders as they pass this 78 year old rider still suffering from Peter Pan syndrome. Even more than I get when riding my all original Trek Y 22 carbon mountain bike fitted with it's Synergy carbon wheels. It's an age thing. If you can't go fast, at least look good. Right, Alex?

  • @sateshmahadeo4366
    @sateshmahadeo4366 Месяц назад

    Honestly, the bike looks absolutely amazing. A true thing of beauty.

  • @TheSgtsMess
    @TheSgtsMess Месяц назад +4

    Great idea, but probably second hand components would have been the way to go

  • @juanpique7417
    @juanpique7417 Месяц назад

    This had me looking for frames and bike parts like there is no tomorrow. The price tag Alex mentioned did make me reel in some of that enthusiasm and reconsider what level of components I'm looking into...

  • @SecwetGwiwer
    @SecwetGwiwer Месяц назад +2

    The difference between a traditional round bar and modern, narrow bars is around 25w at 45k/ph. That could account for all of the difference.

  • @StratoJohn
    @StratoJohn Месяц назад +1

    Been looking forward to seeing this video!

  • @lzbdavis
    @lzbdavis Месяц назад +1

    I’m a vintage bike fan so probably biased that way. I think the bike looks great and is a unique ride. I’m always amazed that for me -a very aged rider! - my vintage bikes perform just as well for me as my modern Roubaix carbon Di2 bike. Well, except for steep downhill braking which is not for the faint of heart. I’d probably enjoy a resto mod without quite such high end equipment that I bet would perform maybe 95% as well but cost a lot less.

  • @SMathai
    @SMathai Месяц назад

    I'm all for it. I don't have a budget that can do much more than maintain my current bikes, but I would 100% contemplate what was done in this video if given that 8k$$ towards building a bike like that. In reality any future N+1 bike will be off the shelf for me, just because I would want it to work right out of the gate for my purposes (again, due to budgetary constraints). I always checkout and drool over retro bikes, whether they're upgraded or simply maintained as they were.

  • @chiman5732
    @chiman5732 Месяц назад +2

    The bike looks banging 👌

  • @Jayneflakes
    @Jayneflakes Месяц назад

    Having worked in the trade and designed and built custom bikes, I would say that the retro scene is not about building something to beat modern bikes. It is about building something that moves the soul as well as the body. We develop a connection with something we build ourselves, it imbues that bike with spirit and narrative. Some days, you have to put your face in the wind and enjoy the moment of riding something special, even of the modern bike riders are dropping you because they care for speed more than journey. This is why I also ride a custom motorcycle as well as a custom bicycle. I can honestly say that I love my bikes more because I built them and I know every bolt and quirk. I may not be fast, but I am at peace with the world as I ride. Well done Alex on building something beautiful, how about we see you go to frame building school and you build your own frame too? It does not have to be metal these days, how fast can you go on a Bamboo frame with that finishing kit?

  • @chillibeandesigns
    @chillibeandesigns Месяц назад

    Stunning Neo-retro bike build. OK maybe a little overkill on the components but why not! 🧡

  • @jameslloyd-wyatt
    @jameslloyd-wyatt Месяц назад

    Beautiful build now that the front end has been resolved. I feel that the wheelset are the most limiting factor.
    The team at GCN really hold true to the idea of wider tyres being the key area to upgrade for speed and comfort. I wonder if that is the major factor that holds this bike's speed back more than all the other limitations it has combined?
    Pretty please do a comparison with this bike in the widest tyre wheelset you can squeeze into the frame/brakes. Even if that means not using a Dura Ace wheelset.
    Great video.

  • @nukedathlonman
    @nukedathlonman Месяц назад

    I like the Pinarello. I personally don't have any problems with mixing old school frames with new tech - esp. if it means an older bike can be rode around on vs being stuck on a wall stripped down to the frame as a trophy (or worse). I'm always for keeping a bike rolling, and it doesn't "have" to be kept like it was originally or period correct (though that is nice as well).

  • @ChrisHopkin-ch2fn
    @ChrisHopkin-ch2fn Месяц назад +2

    Really beautiful machine 👌👍

  • @QoraxAudio
    @QoraxAudio Месяц назад

    Probably the nicest bike I've ever seen.
    The best of both worlds: the old and the new.

  • @Gixer750pilot
    @Gixer750pilot Месяц назад

    Love the bike . It’s not about speed and times , but how you feel when you go into the garage and see it , and you just want to ride it.
    You couldn’t have done that for £1500 . 105 mechanical groupset . Drive wheels . Sorted .

  • @colinjefferies4072
    @colinjefferies4072 Месяц назад

    Love it Alex. Class bike, forget the money and look at the end result. 👊

  • @colinADENDORFF-p1e
    @colinADENDORFF-p1e Месяц назад +19

    I will take the retro bike every time. I have a Colnago Master with Chorus 12. It/I may be 10% slower than young guns on plastic fantastic but that's ok. The Master is comfy. At 64, that is worth that 10%.

    • @buster.keaton
      @buster.keaton Месяц назад

      My modern carbon bike with 700x32C tires and endurance frame is radically more "comfy" than my 1987 steel bike with 700x23C tires... and faster as well.

    • @colinADENDORFF-p1e
      @colinADENDORFF-p1e Месяц назад +1

      @buster.keaton not in your wildest dreams. Unless your steel bike was crap to begin with. Go ride a Master or equivalent. Comfy is more than just rode vibration reduction from balloon tires. It's also all day frame geometry when doing 50+ you are relaxed, not vice gripping and you still can reach down a drink from water bottle.

    • @FTA38yearfreeride
      @FTA38yearfreeride Месяц назад +4

      @@colinADENDORFF-p1e is not even 5% slower

    • @danm5021
      @danm5021 Месяц назад +1

      I too have a Colnago Master Olympic with modern components and it's glorious. It is my favourite bike by a country mile (compared to my di2 aeroad disc) - the master is super comfy to ride and looks incredible. Oh and it was a fraction of the cost of this pinarello.

    • @FTA38yearfreeride
      @FTA38yearfreeride Месяц назад

      @@buster.keaton you are comparing an old peace of crap with a brand new bike

  • @andrewpeterson5882
    @andrewpeterson5882 Месяц назад

    Here's the thing though... If I saw that group of three ride buy, the neo-retro conversion is the ONLY one I'm staring at and thinking about for the rest of the day. They look SO GOOD. And as a card-carrying low VO2max punter, I just want to look and feel steezy on my bike.

  • @MatthewLetts-z5h
    @MatthewLetts-z5h Месяц назад

    I have a 72 made in USA with the same derailers it come from the factory an 700
    C rim package with carbon fiber forks an I can bust out 32 mph on flat ground no problem it's really the Rider at this point of the game I really don't know why people think that modern bike's are better than older ones because I even pass most ebikes on my set up with breeze

  • @JohnRider
    @JohnRider Месяц назад

    I like it. Props to Alex for doing building that old frame back up. Not sure very bike needs to be built for speed and nothing else.

  • @Greg41982
    @Greg41982 Месяц назад

    Man, I love my disc brakes on both my road and mountain bikes. But I do miss how cool radial lacing looked. I especially like the 3 cross/radial set up on the back of the original wheels. My last set of cool wheels like that were on my 1997 Bontrager Race Lite with Chris King hubs and some pretty early DT Revolution spokes. I wish I still had those. (the frame is hanging on my shop wall, however.)

  • @derickcastillo9083
    @derickcastillo9083 Месяц назад

    I have a titanium Basso from the 90s. I always wonder how much faster I would be on a modern bike. Thank you Alex

  • @mybuickskill6979
    @mybuickskill6979 Месяц назад

    I feel like the bike is dope af! I love it. I would have though for the cockpit upgrade i would have flipped that to a better fork, if i could find one that fit

  • @sal_peter
    @sal_peter Месяц назад +4

    Unless you're racing, it doesn't matter. As long as you're riding hard, you're getting a good workout

    • @bluemystic7501
      @bluemystic7501 Месяц назад

      Well, you might want to include fast group rides too.

    • @JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe
      @JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe Месяц назад

      Published tomorrow. Have to for the rest of us!

  • @adamburgener2429
    @adamburgener2429 Месяц назад +1

    Alex you forgot a power meter! I think you were just having a bad day. The Pinarello is beautiful, unique, and with every penny

  • @HkFinn83
    @HkFinn83 Месяц назад

    Build quality and style combined with modern shifting. Best of both worlds.

  • @MatthewMabborang
    @MatthewMabborang Месяц назад

    I like the GTA “Dropped” version but I think GTA means “Grand Theft Alex” 😂😂😂
    Nice neo-retrospective Pinarello with new components Alex! That’s really slick and classy! 🔥🔥🔥

  • @stouto11
    @stouto11 Месяц назад

    That bike looks amazing 😮

  • @georgejohnson1498
    @georgejohnson1498 Месяц назад +4

    I love this resto-mod!
    I could not afford to do it, but I do like it!
    I bet it is lovely to ride, and for me it has never been about being competitive, so the last degree of performance would not worry me. Aged sixty-three, I have retired my lovely old Carlton, beautifully equipped with 1970s/80 Campag Super record parts, only last month. Sad day to see it re-homed, but there it is. I have still got a Raleigh Wayfarer three speed, which I am in the middle of gently recommissioning without repainting as it has a lovely original appearance. It is not s speed machine, but it is comfortable with its old school upright riding position. Much better for an old guy!
    Best wishes from George

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Месяц назад

      Hey thanks for your comment and sharing your experience with us :D

    • @georgejohnson1498
      @georgejohnson1498 Месяц назад

      @@gcn Thank you for the wonderful videos. Everything covered eventually!
      Im four years off retirement, and will certainly not be running a car, either an ICE or EV, and will probably spring for one of the electric cargo bikes such as the Christiania models make in Denmark. These have from cargo with single back wheel.
      I know it is not close to your normal films, but an over-view and review of such a machine from people I have come to believe talk a lot of sense about cycling.
      Best wishes from George.
      PS: The front cargo tub would be particularly useful for me as my little Patterdale Terrier goes everywhere with me, and she would be happy tethered in front of me! She was definately not happy when I tried out a trike with the dog accommodation behind me! That was a catastrophe.

  • @G60syncro
    @G60syncro Месяц назад

    I'll draw a parallel with one of my drum kits... It's a 1975 Ludwig Vistalite that retailed at 1600$ back in the day. I bought it in a drum shop in 2005 with a sticker price of 1800$... I talked it down to 1800$ tax included and now you're talking about a 30 year old drum that's kept its value for sure!! Now to be real, there's been massive advances in the technology behind drum hardware machining precision for the shells, tuning range and ease of setup and teardown... If you're playing on Taylor Swift's tour, you're not playing that kit!! But for a guy like me playing the odd gig around local pubs, the cool factor of that thing is through the roof!!
    I feel it's the same for that bike! Hey, it's not the fastest on the block, but of it's own kind... it's definitely the fastest from the modern improvements... But the personal feel and satisfaction level it provides it's owner and builder is that intangible factor that nothing you can buy off the shelf will bring you!!

  • @MrSJR39
    @MrSJR39 Месяц назад +1

    Love the retro-mod Pinarello, would be just as good with Ultegra or even 105 and save some money. Forget about speed, just enjoy riding it, fast, slow, hard, easy, flat, hilly, whatever you want. I’ve done 100 mile sportives on a retro-mod and I still catch up faster riders on modern bikes at the feedstops!

  • @napskate
    @napskate Месяц назад

    I did a similar project with a Derosa Merak and Campy Corus. The frame was a hand me down and the Corus was mostly second hand 10sp off eBay with new carbon richly fork and titanium campy seatpost. So all in I was well under 3000.00 USD it was a sweet ride that was sadly stolen…

  • @mrwhiteshorts
    @mrwhiteshorts Месяц назад

    id have put mechanical 12speed Chorus onto that, but then splash the cash on some Boras, either tubs or 2wf, doesnt matter. For me, metal Pinarellos always have CA on them. But fair play to Alex for that. Its a bit like putting new tyres and a gearbox + paddle shift on an old Ferrari F355.

  • @happycyclist6846
    @happycyclist6846 Месяц назад

    I, along with the entire pro peloton have upgraded from skinny 23c to 28c and most agree that changes the performance in speed and comfort. So why not modernize that aspect or even go 30c if the frame allows? I have an 80's Colnago with 28c and it rides quite improved!

  • @davidhuffman4768
    @davidhuffman4768 Месяц назад +3

    I actually just built a bike up after my bike frame was damaged in a crash and sustaining 9 cracked rips and a dislocated AC joint. I used the recovery time to shop for parts to build a new bike. Bought a nice frame off Ebay, beautiful green carbon Cannondale Synapse , (guy had bought the wrong size) and then shopped for parts. Ended up with new components by shopping around and taking advantage of a of initial 20% plus discounts that many retailers offer first time customers! Did most of the build myself and then had a local bike shop check things for me. Best bike I have ever had and was a lot of fun doing built. Not sure if doing a build is any cheaper, but you do end up with a bike with the components and wheels that you like! I haven’t added up cost. It's best to be totally ignorant on some things your wife might asked about! “I got everything on sale”!!😎

  • @Dhungerf60
    @Dhungerf60 Месяц назад

    It must look hilarious to passers-by to see the three of you all sitting on the same side of the bench drinking coffee

  • @bluegem72
    @bluegem72 Месяц назад +1

    For this to make any sense you really need to be riding this bike daily to build the muscles to move the bike and become one with the bike. My bikes are cheap aluminum frame bikes and i keep up just fine.

  • @reinholdachleitner2069
    @reinholdachleitner2069 Месяц назад

    Pinarello looks awesome,im currently trying to upgrade my Peugeot Monaco 90's road bike with 7800 Dura-Ace parts but the problem is that most of the cranksets chainrings are very worn.😏

  • @bmwflyfisher
    @bmwflyfisher Месяц назад

    I like the updated retro. It would have to be done on a bike with a lunched drive train in my opinion. However, something like Rival or 105 would have made this more than adequate. I don’t think the top tier on a steel or aluminum frame really makes sense. However, it’s your money and life. If it makes you smile…Worth it!!!!

  • @lukewalker1051
    @lukewalker1051 Месяц назад +2

    Instead of what you did, rather split the baby with a ten year old rim brake carbon frame which is lighter, stiffer and more compliant than that 90's Al frame and a much better middle ground IMO. Find a pristine older Tarmac or TCR or Pinarello for cheap and build with 11 speed Ultegra or Sram Force/Red 22 mechanical. You can find carbon wheels for a rim brake bike without spending $2K.
    Then you have an uber light, $2.5K bike that will keep close pace with any modern bike, especially climbing at lower bike weight than many porky disc brake bikes. Used to be able to build a rim brake bike with carbon wheels at 15 lbs, lighter than almost any current disc brake bike.

  • @kenwilson4457
    @kenwilson4457 Месяц назад +1

    Love it! Did a similar build by putting new mechanical 105 and modern Ritchey cockpit on a 2019 reissue of a 1971 Masi Gran Criterium.

  • @Dawn-Wave
    @Dawn-Wave Месяц назад

    Amazing vid keep it up!

  • @basedhalcyon
    @basedhalcyon Месяц назад

    the bar end plugs really make it, those are hot

  • @miffachan123
    @miffachan123 Месяц назад

    as long as the bike fits you well, has nice wheelset and tire. doesnt matter if its claris or di2. it will ride awesome

  • @scotiavelo1405
    @scotiavelo1405 Месяц назад +1

    People who have 30+ year old Italian or any steel classics aren’t interested in “keeping up” with modern day bikes. What I do know that the steel Pinarello here is better looking than the other 2 modern “moulds”

  • @bluemystic7501
    @bluemystic7501 Месяц назад +1

    I'd love to see a comparison with a power meter.