King Varian would have made the same choice if he was in the horde position up on the ridge. The legion had out flaked the horde and to have stayed would have made no difference. It was a military decision nothing more both sides lost a respected leader. I know one thing the final boss fight will be at the tomb of Sargaus. maybe the avatar of Sargaus.
I mean it's funny, but it's not true ;P No one knew about the trap, or the huge army they were to face. The intelligence they had - on both sides - was false, so even if they had been texting each other like besties about Legion and chill, they'd have still got their arses handed to them and we'd still have another expansion.
MAJOR LEGION QUEST SPOILERS* The entire thing was one huge trap. Mathias Shaw, the leader of SI 7, the alliances intelligence and spy division had discovered that Broken Shore was a trap but him and his team were attacked before they could report it and he was replaced by a Dreadlord, who fed the factions false information. This is why in the event they were surprised by the fact that the legion were in such large numbers and had such a strong foothold already, they had been told of an invasion force, not an army with an established base already capable of summoning major legion leadership. We will deal with him in Legion but not before he causes us more loss and division. If Sylvanas hadn't sounded the retreat, we would have all died with the leaders who were present and the war would have been lost right there.
Uh, what? We all would have died if Sylvanas didn't retreat? Many of the horde would have probably died, yes, but the Alliance got away with their gunship.
They only had time to consider a retreat after the horn blew. IF the horde had stayed and died, the alliance would have been in the thick of battle and the main legion army would have caught them by surprise on the other side. There would have been no chance to retreat. Not to mention the legion ships would have moved forward and fired on the gunship.
it could certainly, but it wasn't during the situation. Otherwise they would have seen the situation the horde was in. They were intent on their previous orders, bombardment. Would have been too late anyways, the legion spaceships would have moved into position away from the horde and taken out the airship.
Yes, they had a flying gunship that was committed to close fire support during an attack on a small army fighting on one front. The Horde were there to provide high ground flanking cover, so the airship had no need to be anywhere but down near the field. No one - not a single living person in the Alliance or Horde army - knew that they were being led into a trap. It's unfortunate, but it happens all the time in warfare ;P
DrClawizdead I have no disrespect for the Horde but comparing their two deaths. Varian went down like a Warrior King, saving the lives of his men and preserving the Alliance. Voljin just took longer to die.
Vol'jin not handling his own is the direct reason Varian had to sacrifice himself. Vol'jin did not die with honor on the battle field; he died a coward's death on his throne.
better yet he said cover the flank, gets stabbed in the FRONT, and above all else died to a lowly felguard grunt? varian takes down multiple of them BY HIMSELF, AND a fel reaver and so much for lok'tar ogar, fuck the horde
+Mrreeeeeemix Im glad they made him look cool, because your exit strategy was fucking retarded haha. "Lets get close to the demons with our only transport!" bahaha.
Such moving stories on both ends. Varian, sacrificing himself for the Alliance's safety, fighting until his last breath. He was the king everyone could look up to, but this feat proved to be his last. Such a fitting end to a great warrior. Vol'jin, the Warchief who died too young, his rein was far from started. He had such promise, such a vision for the Horde, and it was all taken away before it began. Now these new leaders much prove themselves while fighting off the Legion to save the whole of Azeroth. The wise, noble prince must prove his youth and innocence are not what defines him, so he can live up to his father's legacy of leading the Alliance with valor. The determined, powerful banshee queen must put aside her brash and traitorous ways to earn the trust of the Horde as their Warchief. World of Warcraft is heading into an amazing new territory, and I cannot wait to see how this story plays out.
Wouldn't you? I mean I am all for the Alliance (and I kind of think that the Orcs should return home and stop trying to take over Alliance territory - while the High-Elfs should make peace with the Alliance (I mean they are only on the Horde's side because of ONE STUPID/RACIST LEADER who condemned Kael'thas Sunstrider for working with the Naga, despite following the guys orders...but Kael'thas has since betrayed his people, so why stay with the Horde (I mean most High-/Blood-Elfs think that the other races in the Horde are savages and they are kind of right, compare Ogrimar to Stormwind for example - one's a sprawling city and the other looks like a damned slum!)?)...but I kind of would defend myself first, too before thinking of anybody else (especially if that sacrifice doesn't even guarantee victory!) ps: I still understand why the Alliance thinks it was betrayed (hell, the Horde would be done for if Jaina hadn't stopped the King during the Undercity Raid after the Horde betrayed the Alliance when they attacked the Wrath Gate in Wrath of the Lich King....)
DreamingFlurry This isn't about what I or anybody else would do this is about what the right thing to do is real warriors do not fear death they fear dying a cowards death the overarching theme of the expansions since cataclysm really has been uniting to face a threat neither side can defeat alone stand together or fall alone what Sylvanas did set us back in this when the time came she chose momentary safety of the Horde at the price of Alliance lives she widened the gap between the Alliance and Horde also the Alliance was betrayed Sylvanases selfishness doesn't negate that
Not impressed with myself but Varian's death makes me cry like a baby!! That was a stunning cut scene. Thank you for posting this video. For the heartbroken Alliance!! lol xxx
Actually, we never see him die. We see him turn green, then have a lot of light. A lot of people are speculating we'll see him as a raid boss later on in Legion where he's been turned into a demon or something like that.
He's actually died. U can read the story about Anduin released by Blizzard. He said his father died in the war with the legion and Anduin must lead his people fight agaisnt the legion.
Watching the fight from the Alliance side, I had two possible thoughts... 1) Sylvannas was always playing Wrynn, and took the opportunity to have him killed. 2) Something else happened entirely, ie: the retreat horn. I didn't even know the Horde story was happening simultaneously, so instantly went to go find the vid. I think Vol'Jin didn't quite get the death he deserved versus Wrynn...but it's about time they brought the Banshee Queen front and center...almost wanna roll my first Horde toon in over 10+ years just cause of how quietly badass she is...
Sylvanas NEVER gave a shit about the Horde. The only reason she joined was to protect the Forsaken and now she's Warchief? She won't survive the expansion and you can take that to the bank. We all know Baine should have been Warchief.
+DrClawizdead Baine is a fucking child last time horde was commanded by a unexperienced youngling it didn't end well. Sylvanas was best option and you know it.
Sylvanas places her people first, and by extension her allies as well. For all her shady dealings, she's very practical-minded as well. I have no doubt she'll do fine as Warchief. The Loa spirits chose her after all, if what Vol'jin said is any indicator.
Sylvanas places her people and by extension her allies first. For all her shady dealings she's very practical-minded. I have no doubt she'll make a good Warchief. She was doing right by the Horde in Stormheim, seeking a new weapon against the Legion. And then Greymane attacked without reason. Idiot fleabag.
horde fighting more than triple the amount of demons the alliance have to fight at once with portals spawning behind them..without an airship that the alliance have and such
I've played the Broken shore with both sides, Alliance where fighting a bunch of trash mobs when Gul'dan and the ingame raid bosses taunt them and sit back by the tomb. Horde Side, you fight hundred of trash AND Named mobs at the same time ! And with more and more coming. Not by little waves like alliance. It is obvious all of that was a trap by Gul'dan, lead the armys to the tomb, taunt them let them believe that they have a chance to win and them crush them with the full force of the legion by the side. Horde where fighting the real army of the Legion, so alliance fanboys : please PLAY both side before talking shit.
Wow that was well done. As an alliance player, it seemed like sylvanas tricked the alliance into dying, meaning the alliance npcs will want to fight the horde but on the horde side they just retreated to survive so that the alliance being angry seems unjustified. A clever way to get the factions angry at each other.
Vol'jin: Stabbed once, dies like a bitch. Varian: Jumps off a fucking gunship, one shots a godzilla-sized mech by ramming his sword THROUGH ITS FACE, tanks an army of demons, gets cut and stabbed and shit, and spits in the face of Death itself in utter defiance. For the Alliance, bitches!
Wandering Harlow I saw it. I was joking. I"m actually fucking livid that the leaders of the factions died. Nooo, couldn't kill that bitch Sylvanas, it had to be the two most bad ass leaders from both sides. Fuck you, Blizzard.
Yeah, I'm still pretty pissed they killed off Vol'Jin, and I have to give credit to Varian for going down like a champ. Trust me, if I had the change I'd shove Gul'Dan's staff FAR up his ass sideways for that stunt.
well i did go through the trouble of recording for about 8 hours editing and such.but ya its not really my content just happy people were viewing it..alright
You are more of a betrayer than Illidan ever did. You and your lot along with the undead scum will be next after the legion. BY THE LIGHT. IN MEMORY OF THE KING. FOR THE ALLIANCE! #ALLIANCEFOREVER
This is the part where i miss Garrosh Hellscream ! Garrosh would have stuck fear and terror in the hearts of the legion. He was one the most fearless leader i have ever seen. The Loyalists will remember you, Garrosh son of Hellscream! Lok'tar Ogar!!!
committing mass genocide out of fear for Jaina's bitchy attitude when he was framed by Cho'gall and the twilight council and literally turning Alexstraza into a war dragon breeding machine and telling Anduin he'll rape and murder every woman and child in stormwind when he gets out of his prison in pandaria isn't a fearless leader. Dropping the heart of an old god to corrupt everything isn't fearless, it's desperation for absolutely nothing gained. he's a goddamn coward and fool. A stain on the Hellscream name He was a great warrior but he was insane and a traitor to both the horde and alliance. True horde followers would have stuck with Thrall and Vol'jin's ideals
well shit, i did not see those two dying. Also we just gona keep jumping form warchief to warchief? Ok blizzard, lets make the blood elf dude the next one
Sylvanas did it how she has always done it. So be it if the world sees her as a betrayer, a witch. So be it if they never know the truth. But she will do what she must to ensure the survival of her people. Varian died a death of a true Warrior-King. In combat. He made an example to all beholders that no life is too noble to sacrifice if it means protecting the people. In the end, both are heroes in their own way. And such is an elaborate story Warcraft series has been waiting for since Wrath of the Lich King. The epicness is finally coming back.
You're forgetting that when he "zapped" Deathwing, he was using the Dragon's Soul, which had just been reinfused with the power of all the other aspects.
Just goes to show how incredibly strong Humans are. They have been fighting enemies from other dimensions and realms since the first kingdom, and they are STILL here fighting the Legion.
More like they can't ever get shit done. They've been fighting enemies from other dimensions and realms since the first kingdom, but they haven't found a way to protect their realm from constant invasions. 0 foresight.
Why, so she can betray the Horde by releasing her plague among them, then, having no resistance from within the Horde, she can bring undeath to the whole of Azeroth? No, thanks. Destroy the evil Forsaken!
It's once again "For the Alliance" or "For the Horde." It is no longer "For Azeroth," there is going to be great internal conflict in Legion because of what the Alliance thought she did. Although, I don't blame her as if she hadn't abandoned the Alliance the Horde leaders would have been overrun and killed.
I'm pretty sure Anduin has already evolved past the teenager mentality, even if Varian has not. Shouldn't be that hard to figure that what happened to the Alliance - happened to the Horde, seeing as how a swarm of demons appeared where a few archers were. If anyone is going to think "betrayal yadda yadda", then this might as well go as retarded as Lothar in Warcraft movie. What communication can be there? It's a war. It's not Hobbit, where main characters just casually chat in the middle of the huge fight.There was a retreat horn, that's that. It shouldn't mean to Alliance that "WTF, HORDE IS ABANDONING US", it should mean that "shit is fucked up, time to skedaddle".
Wrathinside They probably have magical ways of communication, and again that part is poorly written. That they didn't realize hey it's time to book it.
she should not of helped the horde because even if the horde was overrun it would not have changed the course of the battle. What was going on in the alliances part of the fight was more important she just cost the battle and maybe the war because of her selfishness!
Well if the lore pattern of wow doesnt lie to me I think we all will have to kill sylvanas, when voljin said they whisper of a voice. Tha voice might be the old gods again, Sylvanna might become bad. another one is genn having a grudge to her and someone else making them become friends, another one is genn going full ham on her too
you should have seen inside the game from the horde side right before the cutscene, it was a fucking moshpit of giant demons, you felt alone because you couldnt see any other players in that clusterfuck of demons :(
Figures, Voljin was more reasonable than previous warchiefs and Varian was just starting to let go of his hate. The two of them had the best chance of bringing true peace between the Alliance and Horde, but then nobody would play World of Peacecraft.
The wound looks totally fel infected so yeah.. Im just glad he didnt keel over and die. He got another vision from the Loa about Sylvanas so, i can live with what happened. I felt so upset for both Horde and Alliance players. We both lost our leaders
Its strange cause in one of the older Books, which was talkin about Vol'jin, the Loa (the Troll Gods) told and showed him in a vision, that he will be the one stand in a complety destroyed world and that he was the one that caused the destruction. Maybe he comes back?...?
Some of this stuff bugs me, but it's overall pretty fucking epic. Such as, how come Genn Greymane is suddenly so compassionate? Dude used to be an asshole. Last time the world was threatened by the legion (and the scourge) he just hid behind his walls. He was never very cooperative with the alliance. But damn, I gotta say I've never felt so much alliance pride, and I haven't felt this bad since Bolvar's death.
If they keep changing warchiefs without giving them any chance - that'll be the killer of WoW. Sylvanas can do stuff, but if they write her as a purely vengeful bitch who will think Alliance is the reason Vol'jin died etc, while Anduin will have no voice whatsoever among the Alliance - damn, I think Divergent would have better writing. For all intents and purposes, Alliance has got a Thrall - Anduin. He has a chance to make Alliance better than some mindless bigoted americans. Sylvanas, on the other hand, has experience of leading people in their darkest hour, and she was shown to have feelings in the recent expansions, feelings that are not as mundane as the whore Jaina or the hypocrite Tyrande. It might finally lead to something better than all the bullshit of the past expansions.
Now this is the world of Warcraft I remember! The one where it wasn't afraid to throw us a curveball and take everybody by surprise with what happens. It is a shame that Vol'jin only had a little bit of time in the spotlight, but then so did Uther and Grom in Warcraft 3. I don't feel like Sylvannas will be a great leader of the horde, but that's probably intentional for what they have in store in the next patch.
I think the entire point is that most don't think she'll be a great leader of the Horde, so she almost definitely will be a great leader of the Horde. That's how Blizzard role. You want a road-map for her character, just look at Sarah Kerrigan. This is Sylvanas' big redemption storyline; she's almost certainly going to die, but she'll do it in style and the Horde will be better off for it.
Are you saying Sylvanas will end up becoming a gigantic fire lady after meeting a floating mass of super intelligent alien flesh? 'Cause I'm okay with that.
I don't think they'll kill her off - I think they are going to show that she's finally ready to really be a leader (letting go if her hatred and making good decisions!), I mean Voljin basically says so! He would have chosen someone else if the spirits hadn't told him to select her!
The thing about WoW is the story has to take a back seat to the gameplay, while the Warcraft games were the other way around. If they kept following the story though the Warcraft games, they would've probably killed her off in WotLK.
I think they did a grave mistake in killing of vol'jin... i mean varian i can understand! he has a lot of lore and a lot of character development behind him (and it opens upp for Anduin to become the total badass that he is supposed to turn into) but vol'jin? he just became warchief! he has nearly no charcter development outside of the books (and even there its sparse) and he has done nearly nothing ingame. Vol'jin is my favorite character by far, but i have no attachment too him!!! there are no cinematics!! no ingame things where we see him be badass as fuck!! I feel like they killed him of far too early and just soo it would be fair for both the alliance and the horde. That both sides should lose a leader. I mean garrosh had a more indept character than vol'jin, when Garrosh died it feelt ok, it feelt like he played his part and there was alot of feels and discusion that could be had. And who is going to take upp the mantle as the leader for the darkspear? the trolls literary dont have a another character that can take upp the mantle as chieftan for the darkspears!!! Vol'jin was the only noteworthy character the Trolls have... Vol'jin should have been warcheif for much longer than he was, the lore needed it!! after all the stuff with Garrosh and thrall we needed a stable, cool warchief that they could build new lore of! But instead we get sylvanas, a character that i will never be able too see as warchief. Dont get me wrong! I like sylvanas character and i love how badass and cool she is, but she is not a warchief! she is the lone wolf of the horde, if it was stretching it with putting a troll on The warchief throne! then it is a travesty for a undead too claim it... PS sorry about the rant! I just had to went somewhere :D
The always underrated Anduin, who else. Unfortunately, most players do not understand is how much potential the boy. He's like the young Alexander (the Great). But you will see. Anduin will make his father proud.
Ky van Rae I have. Anduin is not a warrior. He is a leader yes. But he is not the type of leader they need right now. Right now both the Alliance and the Horde require war leaders. Men and women who understand war and are strong enough to lead men into battle. Anduin has a different type of strength, he is a healer, a peace maker. He is who the Alliance needed right before the Cataclysm and after Mists of Pandaria when they needed to put old hatreds aside. But right now they need a warrior who can lead his people to victory.
This was by far THE best story line they have created so far... seriously had me goose bumping several times during pre patch, and that Sylvanas as war chief climax... oh man :)
So.... Illidan is a good guy after all? I think Illidan is as misunderstood as Sargeras, trying to do something for good choosing the worst way possible to achieve it.
Illidan is the type of person that would destroy an entire city to save a country, lives don't mean anything to him as long as he saves Azeroth. I wouldn't wan't him to be in charge, no point beating the legion if everyone dies.
No matter how many times I see these cinematics, I always have tears in my eyes. I liked both, Vol'jin and Varian ... For the Alliance! For the Horde! FOR AZEROTH!
11:07 New ability: Feline agility. When you fall from high places your passive ability makes you turn around mid air like a cat and you will land on your feet, taking 50% less damage from the fall.
I don't know who had a bigger blow to their side, alliance or horde. The king is dead, now Vol'jin, who was warchief for about 1.5 expansions (siege of orgrimmar and WOD), is dead. Maybe Varian will be a raid boss or a dungeon boss under the rule of gul'dan, maybe Green Jesus will tell windrunner to gtfo and let him be cheif again, I don't know. Shit is just going down.
Definatly a bigger blow to the alliance, Vol'Jin was practically a substitute warchief. Wrynn has been going strong since the beginning. This is arguably the biggest main (non-villian) character death
ALLIANCE!! YOU'VE LOST YOUR KING! How does that make you feel?! Cause, holy shit, I've always been a Horde guy, but this just saddens me, that guy was fucking epic, damn
Baine sort of deserve to be the warchief, definitely more than Sylvanas, BUT. Baine is like Vol'Jin, a peacemaker. Bane is not someone that'd be the best leader against an army that most likely is going to destroy everything you know and hold dear. Sylvanas on the other hand, will be a great leader during times of war, she have a lot of experience too.
yeah, i agree, he will proby be warchif someday, but he is to young and dont have that much history on his back to be trust by the entire horde, sylvanas has the Lich king campaing
10:00 It was at this moment Varian knew the Horde had to retreat. The realization can be seen on him in the reaction shot, shame he couldn't tell Genn before sacrificing himself.
varian went down like a fuckin boss and although i used to really hate him back in wotlk, he is honorable and he is a big dicked bastard. the horde cinematic is makin me tear up... really points to the idea that the horde needs to band together and although the races are all so different, they have been there for each other through this whole damn game and they need each other. i think sylvannas even realized it right there too... she is notorious for not trusting the horde and really only using them as an end to her means but you can tell now she has embraced the horde for what it is. a group of misfits who don't fit in with this honorable and shiny "alliance". FOR THE HORDE!!!
I just finished reading the book Tomb of Sargaras, that was a prequel in this expansion. In it Gul'dan was agonizing that he can't can't conquer Azeroth and couldn't win in the past, because they [aliance, horde, heroes] are fighting together. One for all kind of stuff. So I wonder if it's a trap set by him, to set conflict between the horde and alliance again,,,,
someone, have you not played WoW in a long time.. garrosh killed theTHE bloodhoof, garrosh died, that dranie quer killed by blackhand, so lots of people, main people died
???? its the same story line warcraft games just went through the story line much faster, so it would be like just watch all the WoW cinematics, but as where we are in WoW put in the same spot in warcraft the same people will be dead. only differ is that it took WoW like 11 years or so while warcraft depends on how fast you play lol.
truth be told, broken shore had me all kinds of emotional. as a near life time horde player, i actually teared up at varian's death... dude went out like a boss. that said, i was also sad about the loss of vol'jin, though probably a bit less, but now i'm psyched for sylvannas... don't get me wrong, i liked vol'jin as a take no shit warchief... but the legion cinematic, with varian's voice-over of the letter to anduin, that hand off later got me right in the feels.
Anyone else think they killed of Voljin way too soon? He barely got to do anything in WoD and besides his quest line in Panderia they have barely used him for anything. I might not have always liked Varian, but from Wotlk to now he had a character arc and tons of interaction with players. So there was a genuine connection between him and the players besides from being a cool concept of a character.
Thrall: 3 expansions Garrosh: Almost two expansions Vol'jin: 1 expansion If this is any pattern, Sylvannas is gonna die before this expansion is over right? :P
That's it , fuck this game. It's unacceptable to see Sylvanas as warchief. And RIP Vol' Jin the true warchief of the horde , wise , calculated , strong and humble.. gosh im so sorry for alliance
Do you throw your toys out of the pram at every given opportunity, or is it just when fictional storylines do fictional things you don't particularly like?
Still, Baine would be a better Warchief with Sylvannas and Lor Themar as Advisors. Baine and Andiun would be a unstopable Team vs any challenge that may divide both sides. On Second Thought: maybe the Loa wanted Sylvannas to become a responsible Warchief "by force" (in which Garrosh failed) so she would not betray a Warchief Baine or Warchief Lor Themar.
that may be the idea for not giving it to him its WARcraft not Peacecraft by making sylvanas the Warcheif now the Alliance members who are hardline anti horde will see this as a justification to try to kill the horde again and the new warchief facing Distrust from both sides will have to balance holding the horde together balancing enemies with Burning legion and allaince as you know the advisors for the alliance have been becoming more and more evil (in my opinion go horde or go home) meanwhile we have a boy king with advisors taking advantage of his loss and making an interesting mirror to pre Burning crusade when Onyxia was his advisor but maybe im overthinking it and its to virtue signal that hey horde is totally progressive and pandering.
I was just refering from a story standpoint the fact that Anduin is still a Teenager and an all knowing badass makes him an interesting story point can he trust his fathers advisors all the while greiving his fathers death because even as an adult the death of a parent isnt something you just shake off and focus on what needs to be done, so Auduin being manipulated by those who have spent his entire life around totally something that could be a thing, and just because some of his advisors are good doesnt dismiss that some will try to take advantage
I think i finally got the Idea why Baine was not elected two times in a row: Both Thrall and the Loa pointed someone else as warchief, to aussure a rather happy life for Baine. As a responsible Warchief you life always in worry for your people and Fear of Assasine (from both factions) -> Source: Thral in the book "Rise of the Horde" Both Cairne and Baine have been Chieftains since young, and beiing responsible for more than just their own people might rop of their fullfilled Tauren Life. Despite the fact that Thrall still feels responsible for Cairne death and dont want Baine to live the stressful and even more dangerous Life of the Warchief. And I agree with other people guess that the Loa choose Sysvannas to indirectly prevent her from betraying the horde. With Baine or even Lor' Themar as Warchief, Sylvannas might become (Magatha+Puthress)^2.
Even after seeing the cinematic from the hordes view. Still can't help but be mad at Sylvanas. Her actions killed two leaders and made the horde look like weak cowards. Even Vol'jin admits he's never trusted her and for good reason. I have a feeling her actions will have far reaching consequences. (For one thing this is the second time the horde has crossed Jana. And last time she had to be talked out of sending a title wave to wipe out orgrimmar.) And now that she's been named warchief knowing that she's capable and willing to use the lich plague. This feels like a setup to make her a big bad.
First, Sylvanas didn't cause Vol'jin to die. Secondly, Vol'jin told Sylvanas that the horde can't die this day, which implies the horde should retreat at that moment. Not to mention most horde leaders are injured. Third, the horde and the alliance are never friends. They even start a ship battle while striking the ice crown citadel. Of course, we won't expect Sylvanas becoming a peacemaker. But blaming all the faults on her is not fair.
Fongching Wu It is when you consider how hypocritical she is. She of all people using the same plague that created her people when waging war against greymane. Something she claimed she would never do. Much like when the events at wrath gate happened she was given the benefit of the doubt. But what if she just allowed us to "help" just to save face? Despite her intentions her actions and choices make big ripples not just for the horde but for everyone. Like i said even Vol'jin said he's never trusted her. Even her and the forsaken even being part of the horde is out of convenience. In truth i doubt she even cares about any of the horde. It's all to further her goals.
AtomicMonkeybutt You're joking right? Jaina Proudmoor. Once leader of Theramore and current leader of Dalaran. As for the tidal wave. after Garrosh nuked Theramore with a mana bomb Jania was going to harness the focusing irus and use it to call up a LOT of water elementals to make a tidal wave and wipe out orgrimar. She was talked out of it by Thrall and Kalecgos. (thrall tried to use his shaman powers to stop her but she was overpowering him then Kalecgos came and both of them combined prevented her from doing it) TLDR: read world of warcraft: War crimes for the details.
I swear I've never seen the horde as united as it is today. A band of legendary warriors bound by the lust for vengeance, ready to go to war against the legion for their lost Warchief. Damn , it gives me shivers :D
i broke when varian died. But when i saw sylvanas as warchief..... the years i have played warcraft till wow, The story i saw that sylvanas made here who she is today. seeing her becomming warchief made me happy for her. she has a purpose, and maybe just maybe, this will create a new light for the dark lady. my queen.
"Many will not understand..." I sure don't. I was thrilled by the fact he got to be Warchief! He got to be for one expantion, and the only thing he did was to die. Scince every other leader of the horde are as exiting as a plank of wood we got Sylvanas. Great.
Bolvar is the Next Lich King, or Jailor of damned wich title better preferr. Tirion is neutral side now, Human and part of the alliance but hold in neutral side as leader of the Argent Crusade. Jania is Changed after what happend on Theramore Isle. Now she hate Horde. An there is Another thing. Make this situation sensitive. After defeat defeat of Garrosh Wrynn an Voljin Made a peace pact, Now both leader gone... Undead Slyvannas is the leader of the horde, and Greymane see she just left abandoned the alliance in middle of the battle, why Wrynn died. He didin't see the Horde forces already overruned. Give a take Now the Boy is the King. he want keep the peace. But im not sure Jania forgive what happend in past... Intresting time... Middle in a catastrophic war against Gul'dan. Those pice of green shit... I realy wanna see his cropse... Especially now... For The Allaince!
Was disappointed that there was no cutscene for Anduin receiving the news and becoming the new Stormwind king. I finished on my Horde toons and saw the cutscene of Sylvanas becoming warchief, then hopped over to my one Alliance 100 to see the equivalent cutscene, but there wasn't one. Missed opportunity, I think! The cutscenes we did get were very well done, though.
Why his way of doing things is not right tell me ,because he wants to destroy the fucking legion from within?That is phreaking bad ass and smart , the "champions of Azeroth" should understand this.
well he always had a great thirst for power and in well of eternity he killed 6 of great elf commanders just because he was kinda bored of them. so maiev the sister of one of the commanders took him prisoner and guarded him for 10000 years. but yeah in the first war agianst legion illidan and his twin brother Melfurion saved the world together and side by side with Tyrande Ronin and a Great Orc named Broxigar who fought 1v1 with Sargeras and made him bleed before dying.
This vid is great. Also Ignoring Reality channel has some of the Artifact Missions for some of the classes. Newer channel I think, not many views yet, but he is pretty funny.
Apparently I heard somewhere that when attacked by Fel energy, it damages both the body and spirit to the point where healing and rezzing can't do any good.
Doesn't work, hellfire blocks the light. You can't heal or resurrect someone killed or wounded by felfire, the horde cinematic shows that much. Vol'jin told her that the healers said it would kill him and there wasn't anything they could do about it. Sylvannas would have offered to turn him but she knew it wouldn't work because of the fel corruption.
When i was doing the senario,i thought that both alliance and horde were watching the samw cinematics. so i thought that they understood why the horde left. both leaders died that day . instead of making alliance and hirde stand together once again against the legion. they made it even more difficult for the two factions to work together..
Thrall's balls, Blizzard. Vol'Jin as warchief only lasted one expansion? Even gave him his own book to then kill him off after a year. And i can't help but feel that Sylvanas shouldn't have that kind of support in the horde.
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When I saw the alliance verson ingame I thought the horde was evil! But after seeing the horde version it makes more sense now.
now you can explain it to the other alliance fanboys that dont want see the horde version because they want to be right '-'
HunterG4mes
I'm not a fanboy of the alliance, I have horde character and alliance characters.
yeah but a lot of allainc e fanboys dont know any of strategy -_-
King Varian would have made the same choice if he was in the horde position up on the ridge. The legion had out flaked the horde and to have stayed would have made no difference. It was a military decision nothing more both sides lost a respected leader. I know one thing the final boss fight will be at the tomb of Sargaus. maybe the avatar of Sargaus.
yes
Bottom Line:Lack of communication between Horde and Alliance brought us another expansion 🤘😈🤘
As usual
Sounds like an average game of Overwatch to me.
true that
I mean it's funny, but it's not true ;P No one knew about the trap, or the huge army they were to face. The intelligence they had - on both sides - was false, so even if they had been texting each other like besties about Legion and chill, they'd have still got their arses handed to them and we'd still have another expansion.
We'd still have a PvE expansion but not the PvP one :p
MAJOR LEGION QUEST SPOILERS*
The entire thing was one huge trap. Mathias Shaw, the leader of SI 7, the alliances intelligence and spy division had discovered that Broken Shore was a trap but him and his team were attacked before they could report it and he was replaced by a Dreadlord, who fed the factions false information.
This is why in the event they were surprised by the fact that the legion were in such large numbers and had such a strong foothold already, they had been told of an invasion force, not an army with an established base already capable of summoning major legion leadership.
We will deal with him in Legion but not before he causes us more loss and division.
If Sylvanas hadn't sounded the retreat, we would have all died with the leaders who were present and the war would have been lost right there.
Uh, what?
We all would have died if Sylvanas didn't retreat? Many of the horde would have probably died, yes, but the Alliance got away with their gunship.
They only had time to consider a retreat after the horn blew. IF the horde had stayed and died, the alliance would have been in the thick of battle and the main legion army would have caught them by surprise on the other side.
There would have been no chance to retreat. Not to mention the legion ships would have moved forward and fired on the gunship.
I dunno, they had a FLYING gunship, couldn't that thing double as a scout and see the situation before it get out of hand?
it could certainly, but it wasn't during the situation. Otherwise they would have seen the situation the horde was in. They were intent on their previous orders, bombardment.
Would have been too late anyways, the legion spaceships would have moved into position away from the horde and taken out the airship.
Yes, they had a flying gunship that was committed to close fire support during an attack on a small army fighting on one front. The Horde were there to provide high ground flanking cover, so the airship had no need to be anywhere but down near the field. No one - not a single living person in the Alliance or Horde army - knew that they were being led into a trap. It's unfortunate, but it happens all the time in warfare ;P
Let's be real Varian went down like a fucking BEAST!
Yep and Vol'jin went out like a punk on his throne that the traitor Garrosh built.
DrClawizdead I have no disrespect for the Horde but comparing their two deaths. Varian went down like a Warrior King, saving the lives of his men and preserving the Alliance. Voljin just took longer to die.
Vol'jin not handling his own is the direct reason Varian had to sacrifice himself.
Vol'jin did not die with honor on the battle field; he died a coward's death on his throne.
better yet he said cover the flank, gets stabbed in the FRONT, and above all else
died to a lowly felguard grunt?
varian takes down multiple of them BY HIMSELF, AND a fel reaver
and so much for lok'tar ogar, fuck the horde
+Mrreeeeeemix Im glad they made him look cool, because your exit strategy was fucking retarded haha. "Lets get close to the demons with our only transport!" bahaha.
Such moving stories on both ends. Varian, sacrificing himself for the Alliance's safety, fighting until his last breath. He was the king everyone could look up to, but this feat proved to be his last. Such a fitting end to a great warrior. Vol'jin, the Warchief who died too young, his rein was far from started. He had such promise, such a vision for the Horde, and it was all taken away before it began. Now these new leaders much prove themselves while fighting off the Legion to save the whole of Azeroth. The wise, noble prince must prove his youth and innocence are not what defines him, so he can live up to his father's legacy of leading the Alliance with valor. The determined, powerful banshee queen must put aside her brash and traitorous ways to earn the trust of the Horde as their Warchief. World of Warcraft is heading into an amazing new territory, and I cannot wait to see how this story plays out.
It's important to remember Varian sacrificing himself was only necessary because Sylvanas cared more about her people then the Alliance's
Wouldn't you? I mean I am all for the Alliance (and I kind of think that the Orcs should return home and stop trying to take over Alliance territory - while the High-Elfs should make peace with the Alliance (I mean they are only on the Horde's side because of ONE STUPID/RACIST LEADER who condemned Kael'thas Sunstrider for working with the Naga, despite following the guys orders...but Kael'thas has since betrayed his people, so why stay with the Horde (I mean most High-/Blood-Elfs think that the other races in the Horde are savages and they are kind of right, compare Ogrimar to Stormwind for example - one's a sprawling city and the other looks like a damned slum!)?)...but I kind of would defend myself first, too before thinking of anybody else (especially if that sacrifice doesn't even guarantee victory!)
ps: I still understand why the Alliance thinks it was betrayed (hell, the Horde would be done for if Jaina hadn't stopped the King during the Undercity Raid after the Horde betrayed the Alliance when they attacked the Wrath Gate in Wrath of the Lich King....)
DreamingFlurry
This isn't about what I or anybody else would do this is about what the right thing to do is real warriors do not fear death they fear dying a cowards death the overarching theme of the expansions since cataclysm really has been uniting to face a threat neither side can defeat alone stand together or fall alone what Sylvanas did set us back in this when the time came she chose momentary safety of the Horde at the price of Alliance lives she widened the gap between the Alliance and Horde also the Alliance was betrayed Sylvanases selfishness doesn't negate that
From a story perspective yes but gameplay wise, Blizzard seems to be Activision's fuck toy.
MrElionor
The horde and honorable? I don't know :(
Thrall maybe, but I don't trust the rest of them!
Not impressed with myself but Varian's death makes me cry like a baby!! That was a stunning cut scene. Thank you for posting this video. For the heartbroken Alliance!! lol xxx
yw
Actually, we never see him die. We see him turn green, then have a lot of light. A lot of people are speculating we'll see him as a raid boss later on in Legion where he's been turned into a demon or something like that.
uhm hello? He explode or something! I don't expect him as a raid boss that would be just stupid!
He's actually died. U can read the story about Anduin released by Blizzard. He said his father died in the war with the legion and Anduin must lead his people fight agaisnt the legion.
i was crying to omg the feels
Watching the fight from the Alliance side, I had two possible thoughts...
1) Sylvannas was always playing Wrynn, and took the opportunity to have him killed.
2) Something else happened entirely, ie: the retreat horn.
I didn't even know the Horde story was happening simultaneously, so instantly went to go find the vid. I think Vol'Jin didn't quite get the death he deserved versus Wrynn...but it's about time they brought the Banshee Queen front and center...almost wanna roll my first Horde toon in over 10+ years just cause of how quietly badass she is...
well what this will do is bring new tension between the factions because the alliance thinks they were betrayed ... again just like at the wrathgate
Sylvanas NEVER gave a shit about the Horde. The only reason she joined was to protect the Forsaken and now she's Warchief? She won't survive the expansion and you can take that to the bank.
We all know Baine should have been Warchief.
+DrClawizdead Baine is a fucking child last time horde was commanded by a unexperienced youngling it didn't end well. Sylvanas was best option and you know it.
I highly doubt Baine even wants to be Warchief.
+Doomfoolable after his fathers death. I don't think he wants that power anyway, tauren are peaceful starting wars is not something they do.
As far as the horde goes, GLORY TO THE DARK LADY!
Its been that from the start
Please, she's gonna run the Horde into the ground.
Sylvanas places her people first, and by extension her allies as well. For all her shady dealings, she's very practical-minded as well. I have no doubt she'll do fine as Warchief. The Loa spirits chose her after all, if what Vol'jin said is any indicator.
Sylvanas places her people and by extension her allies first. For all her shady dealings she's very practical-minded. I have no doubt she'll make a good Warchief. She was doing right by the Horde in Stormheim, seeking a new weapon against the Legion. And then Greymane attacked without reason. Idiot fleabag.
"The spirits whisper a name"
Why do Trolls have to get high before making decisions that could get everyone killed.
Alliance fighting Gul'Dan, being bad asses.
Horde fighting normal demons, getting shit on.
Horde leave Alliance to die.
Standard.
horde fighting more than triple the amount of demons the alliance have to fight at once with portals spawning behind them..without an airship that the alliance have and such
+RandomGamerCory alliance had like 1000 demons right in front of them.
They also had to FACE JARAXXUS, EREDAR LORD OF THE BURNING LEGION!
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I've played the Broken shore with both sides, Alliance where fighting a bunch of trash mobs when Gul'dan and the ingame raid bosses taunt them and sit back by the tomb.
Horde Side, you fight hundred of trash AND Named mobs at the same time ! And with more and more coming. Not by little waves like alliance.
It is obvious all of that was a trap by Gul'dan, lead the armys to the tomb, taunt them let them believe that they have a chance to win and them crush them with the full force of the legion by the side.
Horde where fighting the real army of the Legion, so alliance fanboys : please PLAY both side before talking shit.
I love Sylvanas. Finally she has a focal point in the lore >w<
PS: Genn Greymane? Fuck yeah.
If Genn Greymane is the main Alliance leader... And Sylvanas is the Horde's leader...
...Real shit is about to go down.
Mandy Karevicius Mhmm~ Anduin probably will take over tho
Anduin takes over since he is the kings son. Genn would be better tbh. He has more experience in battle and what not.
Chase Nuckolls ^
I think either Malfurion or Velen would make better leaders to be honest, but I don't think they want to be in charge.
Wow that was well done. As an alliance player, it seemed like sylvanas tricked the alliance into dying, meaning the alliance npcs will want to fight the horde but on the horde side they just retreated to survive so that the alliance being angry seems unjustified. A clever way to get the factions angry at each other.
Vol'jin: Stabbed once, dies like a bitch.
Varian: Jumps off a fucking gunship, one shots a godzilla-sized mech by ramming his sword THROUGH ITS FACE, tanks an army of demons, gets cut and stabbed and shit, and spits in the face of Death itself in utter defiance.
For the Alliance, bitches!
Apparently you didn't see the color of the wound, Fel energy killed him from the inside
Wandering Harlow I saw it. I was joking. I"m actually fucking livid that the leaders of the factions died. Nooo, couldn't kill that bitch Sylvanas, it had to be the two most bad ass leaders from both sides. Fuck you, Blizzard.
Yeah, I'm still pretty pissed they killed off Vol'Jin, and I have to give credit to Varian for going down like a champ. Trust me, if I had the change I'd shove Gul'Dan's staff FAR up his ass sideways for that stunt.
Wandering Harlow lol
I plan to do to Gul'Dan as Garrosh said we'd do.
Vol'jin's run as warchief sure didn't last long..
jesus christ...123k views ....
i dont even know what to say its by far my most viewed video lol thank you all for watching
well its gotten me about an extra 100 subs and such so im happy with that =p
+RandomGamerCory Dont listen to him, hes just another typical hater😉
heh thanks
What are you even thanking for, you didn't even make the content. You just shared it. What an idiot.
well i did go through the trouble of recording for about 8 hours editing and such.but ya its not really my content just happy people were viewing it..alright
for the horde my mistress warchief.
pre patch scenario where did you get it i could not find it
when you log in game if your lv 100 with legion the game should offer you the quest for it
yeah i did it now was on my DH most of the time xD
:P
You are more of a betrayer than Illidan ever did. You and your lot along with the undead scum will be next after the legion. BY THE LIGHT. IN MEMORY OF THE KING. FOR THE ALLIANCE!
#ALLIANCEFOREVER
So now an Undead High Elf is leading the Horde. Yeah...that's totally gonna work out
The Alliance has the bad end of the deal? Who'll lead now that Varian is gone?
His Son obviously.
+Ratfoo of The Alliance anduin
Sylvanas windrunner and his family are like what defines High elf as a race.
RIP alliance for Having a GAY leader , at least our HORDE leader is Straight.
This is the part where i miss Garrosh Hellscream ! Garrosh would have stuck fear and terror in the hearts of the legion. He was one the most fearless leader i have ever seen. The Loyalists will remember you, Garrosh son of Hellscream! Lok'tar Ogar!!!
committing mass genocide out of fear for Jaina's bitchy attitude when he was framed by Cho'gall and the twilight council and literally turning Alexstraza into a war dragon breeding machine and telling Anduin he'll rape and murder every woman and child in stormwind when he gets out of his prison in pandaria isn't a fearless leader. Dropping the heart of an old god to corrupt everything isn't fearless, it's desperation for absolutely nothing gained.
he's a goddamn coward and fool.
A stain on the Hellscream name
He was a great warrior but he was insane and a traitor to both the horde and alliance.
True horde followers would have stuck with Thrall and Vol'jin's ideals
He would had mana-bombed the shit out if the Legion
he is the reason why they are here
I'm with you brother! HELLSCREAM!!!
lol it is because of Garrosh that the Legion invades. Because he fucking time traveled to the past and opened a breach for GulDan
11:29 varian changes spec to fury.
And tries to tank in it... The outcome was predictable.
he didnt have a healer so he was just trying to take out as many as he could
I guess he didn't read the patch notes (about taking 30% more damage while Enraged).
well shit, i did not see those two dying. Also we just gona keep jumping form warchief to warchief? Ok blizzard, lets make the blood elf dude the next one
Actually, I think Baine's next in line. That or Thrall takes over again. But Lor'themar would be a nice choice.
I don't know where i read that Lor'themar didnt want to be warchief, he prefers leading his people and help the Horde rather than lead the whole Horde
ive been out of the loop for a long time whats thrall doing these day? i quit around mid-pandaria
He went to Dreanor, met hes would-be father, killed Garrosh and fought Archimonde.
and he was never put on a cross, guess he isnt jesus =(
I have to say, the death scream of Varian was pretty damn impressive on the acting side.
Also, fuck off Horde.
Sylvanas did it how she has always done it. So be it if the world sees her as a betrayer, a witch. So be it if they never know the truth. But she will do what she must to ensure the survival of her people.
Varian died a death of a true Warrior-King. In combat. He made an example to all beholders that no life is too noble to sacrifice if it means protecting the people.
In the end, both are heroes in their own way. And such is an elaborate story Warcraft series has been waiting for since Wrath of the Lich King. The epicness is finally coming back.
Vol´jin deserved more...much more...
Everyone seems to have forgotten Tyrions death in all this.
tyrion cant die you silli "bubble" "hearthstone" >.>
Lmao
Tirion...But then let us hope this Tirion got shipped to Pentos instead of dying too.
Tyrion is with the mother of dragons. Tirion Fordring totally died.
Tirion dies so we could get his Ashbringer. Guess his death trigger in HS affect in wow as well.
Zap the dragon who leveled half the world? No problem.
Fight off couple of generic demons who can stab things? Baine, halp!
You're forgetting that when he "zapped" Deathwing, he was using the Dragon's Soul, which had just been reinfused with the power of all the other aspects.
Right lol. Plus if you watch the Horde scenario closely Thrall is hit by lasers from the 3 Legion battleships. Nice try though at being snarky!
+Doomfoolable yet vol'jin dies to a stab wound, totally. Even if thrall has fel energy it still makes no sense.
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Just goes to show how incredibly strong Humans are. They have been fighting enemies from other dimensions and realms since the first kingdom, and they are STILL here fighting the Legion.
Cristina
More like they can't ever get shit done. They've been fighting enemies from other dimensions and realms since the first kingdom, but they haven't found a way to protect their realm from constant invasions. 0 foresight.
As a former Undead Warrior, I am so happy Sylvanas as the next Horde Warchief! :DDD
same and i will go back to wow after 2 years stopping
ikr she awesome :)
Dauda András as the next*, otherwise the fact she is the next.
Why, so she can betray the Horde by releasing her plague among them, then, having no resistance from within the Horde, she can bring undeath to the whole of Azeroth? No, thanks. Destroy the evil Forsaken!
Sindraug25 shes not going to betray anyone wtf lol
It's once again "For the Alliance" or "For the Horde." It is no longer "For Azeroth," there is going to be great internal conflict in Legion because of what the Alliance thought she did. Although, I don't blame her as if she hadn't abandoned the Alliance the Horde leaders would have been overrun and killed.
True but there should have been communication. (It was poorly written why they didn't have that going.)
I'm pretty sure Anduin has already evolved past the teenager mentality, even if Varian has not. Shouldn't be that hard to figure that what happened to the Alliance - happened to the Horde, seeing as how a swarm of demons appeared where a few archers were. If anyone is going to think "betrayal yadda yadda", then this might as well go as retarded as Lothar in Warcraft movie.
What communication can be there? It's a war. It's not Hobbit, where main characters just casually chat in the middle of the huge fight.There was a retreat horn, that's that.
It shouldn't mean to Alliance that "WTF, HORDE IS ABANDONING US", it should mean that "shit is fucked up, time to skedaddle".
Wrathinside They probably have magical ways of communication, and again that part is poorly written. That they didn't realize hey it's time to book it.
she should not of helped the horde because even if the horde was overrun it would not have changed the course of the battle. What was going on in the alliances part of the fight was more important she just cost the battle and maybe the war because of her selfishness!
Am not the only one who wants to see more of Genn on his full worgen rage mode right?
well i like genn but not if hes gonna be hunting for sylvannis...then ill have to kill him.
Well if the lore pattern of wow doesnt lie to me I think we all will have to kill sylvanas, when voljin said they whisper of a voice. Tha voice might be the old gods again, Sylvanna might become bad. another one is genn having a grudge to her and someone else making them become friends, another one is genn going full ham on her too
Yeah. That was badass (finally for him)
Well I would also be furious if someone killed my son (if I had one)
Seeing him like this I´am happy to play worgen as main.^^
the saddest part of all was before the alliance was abandoned by the new warchief we saw tirion murdered by the fel flame :(
The horde didn't leave, they were about to be slaughtered. They had to retreat. A portal opened up behind them and they were overrun.
you should have seen inside the game from the horde side right before the cutscene, it was a fucking moshpit of giant demons, you felt alone because you couldnt see any other players in that clusterfuck of demons :(
Yeah i dont know how the Alliance side looked but horde felt like we were facing the entire damn army.
Clusterfuck of sheer lag when people pulled them all
+RavenThryfe it looked like the horde and sylvannas abandoned them
I really like how they incorporated burning crusade into the cut scenes. and ... RIP vol'jin and varian, two of the best characters.
I just wonder how people do not see the magic of the new Warchiefs:
Anduin (Light)
Sylvanas (Shadows)
I literally shivered multiple times watching this. Hype.
Figures, Voljin was more reasonable than previous warchiefs and Varian was just starting to let go of his hate. The two of them had the best chance of bringing true peace between the Alliance and Horde, but then nobody would play World of Peacecraft.
I feel like Voljin wasn't given the opportunity to shine as a warchief. They probably just killed him to make Sylvanus the fan favorite, warchief.
yup some good story thrown to the trash can, as they did for the one with Cairne RIP =(
Who the fuck is Sylvanus
Learn how to spell names,idiot.
its fucking Sylvanas
Im calling a Vol'jin/Varian demon revival right now.
Vol'jin dies just from that?!
Has Blizz forgotten his powers and lore?!
my guess is the weapon was fel poisoned
Yea could be...
The wound looks totally fel infected so yeah.. Im just glad he didnt keel over and die. He got another vision from the Loa about Sylvanas so, i can live with what happened. I felt so upset for both Horde and Alliance players. We both lost our leaders
but vol jin did nothing on WoDim sad about this :/
Its strange cause in one of the older Books, which was talkin about Vol'jin, the Loa (the Troll Gods) told and showed him in a vision, that he will be the one stand in a complety destroyed world and that he was the one that caused the destruction.
Maybe he comes back?...?
"ummmm hello, this is sylvanas windrunner the horde warchief, and this is jackass"
Some of this stuff bugs me, but it's overall pretty fucking epic.
Such as, how come Genn Greymane is suddenly so compassionate? Dude used to be an asshole. Last time the world was threatened by the legion (and the scourge) he just hid behind his walls. He was never very cooperative with the alliance.
But damn, I gotta say I've never felt so much alliance pride, and I haven't felt this bad since Bolvar's death.
bolvar is alive
Well... I'm not sure ALIVE is the right word, but yes, he's around.
perhaps reading wolfheart will explain Genn Greymane to you :3
Yeah Genn has kind of grown as a character. Especially after his son died...
well i sure dont have a problem with it given that they developed him. as a kid i used to be really interested in gilneas and i liked genn.
So, Sylvanas is the warchief now...how many expansions do oyu think we have to wait for Seige on Undercity patch?
Sylvanas will not survive this expansion.
Tess Bedard Lor'themar Theron
Lor'Themar Theron and he's my bae
Wow, Vol'jin didn't last long. And what a shame to end his reign with such a monumental mistake! Sylvanis and the Forsaken are evil!
If they keep changing warchiefs without giving them any chance - that'll be the killer of WoW. Sylvanas can do stuff, but if they write her as a purely vengeful bitch who will think Alliance is the reason Vol'jin died etc, while Anduin will have no voice whatsoever among the Alliance - damn, I think Divergent would have better writing.
For all intents and purposes, Alliance has got a Thrall - Anduin. He has a chance to make Alliance better than some mindless bigoted americans. Sylvanas, on the other hand, has experience of leading people in their darkest hour, and she was shown to have feelings in the recent expansions, feelings that are not as mundane as the whore Jaina or the hypocrite Tyrande.
It might finally lead to something better than all the bullshit of the past expansions.
Now this is the world of Warcraft I remember! The one where it wasn't afraid to throw us a curveball and take everybody by surprise with what happens. It is a shame that Vol'jin only had a little bit of time in the spotlight, but then so did Uther and Grom in Warcraft 3. I don't feel like Sylvannas will be a great leader of the horde, but that's probably intentional for what they have in store in the next patch.
Let's just hope they won't give her the "Bad Role" and turn her into a Raid boss like they did with Garrosh =/
I think the entire point is that most don't think she'll be a great leader of the Horde, so she almost definitely will be a great leader of the Horde. That's how Blizzard role. You want a road-map for her character, just look at Sarah Kerrigan. This is Sylvanas' big redemption storyline; she's almost certainly going to die, but she'll do it in style and the Horde will be better off for it.
Are you saying Sylvanas will end up becoming a gigantic fire lady after meeting a floating mass of super intelligent alien flesh? 'Cause I'm okay with that.
I don't think they'll kill her off - I think they are going to show that she's finally ready to really be a leader (letting go if her hatred and making good decisions!), I mean Voljin basically says so! He would have chosen someone else if the spirits hadn't told him to select her!
The thing about WoW is the story has to take a back seat to the gameplay, while the Warcraft games were the other way around. If they kept following the story though the Warcraft games, they would've probably killed her off in WotLK.
This expansion has me so hyped I haven't stopped playing for like a week.
I think they did a grave mistake in killing of vol'jin... i mean varian i
can understand! he has a lot of lore and a lot of character development
behind him (and it opens upp for Anduin to become the total badass that he is supposed to turn into) but vol'jin? he just became warchief! he has nearly no
charcter development outside of the books (and even there its sparse)
and he has done nearly nothing ingame.
Vol'jin is my favorite character
by far, but i have no attachment too him!!! there are no cinematics!! no
ingame things where we see him be badass as fuck!!
I feel like they killed him of far too early and just soo it would be fair for both the alliance and the horde. That both sides should lose a leader.
I mean garrosh had a more indept character than vol'jin, when Garrosh died it feelt ok, it feelt like he played his part and there was alot of feels and discusion that could be had.
And who is going to take upp the mantle as the leader for the darkspear? the trolls literary dont have a another character that can take upp the mantle as chieftan for the darkspears!!! Vol'jin was the only noteworthy character the Trolls have...
Vol'jin should have been warcheif for much longer than he was, the lore needed it!! after all the stuff with Garrosh and thrall we needed a stable, cool warchief that they could build new lore of!
But instead we get sylvanas, a character that i will never be able too see as warchief.
Dont get me wrong! I like sylvanas character and i love how badass and cool she is, but she is not a warchief! she is the lone wolf of the horde, if it was stretching it with putting a troll on The warchief throne! then it is a travesty for a undead too claim it...
PS sorry about the rant! I just had to went somewhere :D
the cinematic where vil'jin dies is very touching
R.I.P Varian.
:( who will make Alliance great again?
The always underrated Anduin, who else.
Unfortunately, most players do not understand is how much potential the boy. He's like the young Alexander (the Great). But you will see. Anduin will make his father proud.
Bull shit. Anduin is a punk bitch unworthy of his father's legacy.
+Crazyscotsman looool you' re stupid little boy. read the books, then you'll see.
Ky van Rae I have. Anduin is not a warrior. He is a leader yes. But he is not the type of leader they need right now. Right now both the Alliance and the Horde require war leaders. Men and women who understand war and are strong enough to lead men into battle. Anduin has a different type of strength, he is a healer, a peace maker. He is who the Alliance needed right before the Cataclysm and after Mists of Pandaria when they needed to put old hatreds aside. But right now they need a warrior who can lead his people to victory.
This was by far THE best story line they have created so far... seriously had me goose bumping several times during pre patch, and that Sylvanas as war chief climax... oh man :)
So.... Illidan is a good guy after all? I think Illidan is as misunderstood as Sargeras, trying to do something for good choosing the worst way possible to achieve it.
yeah, illidan has always been the good guy, his methods has just always been disagreed by others
he is an antihero. thats pretty much it
Illidan is the type of person that would destroy an entire city to save a country, lives don't mean anything to him as long as he saves Azeroth. I wouldn't wan't him to be in charge, no point beating the legion if everyone dies.
LFR factions ;D
How is Sargeras misunderstood?
"The spirits granted me clarity" - Sargeras playing one of his practical jokes again I guess.
I was more upset that Vol'jin died rather than Varian. He just became Warchief not too long ago as well. Ugh.
No matter how many times I see these cinematics, I always have tears in my eyes. I liked both, Vol'jin and Varian ... For the Alliance! For the Horde! FOR AZEROTH!
for the fucking horde!
quite
Lok'tar Ogar
The king is dead. More Alliance lives lost. Jaina was right all along. NEVER TRUST THE HORDE.
BY THE LIGHT. FOR THE KING. FOR THE ALLIANCE!
Oh really never trust the Horde?
Where is Jaina?
+Apotheosis yup but........vol'jin.............is he dead???
11:07 New ability: Feline agility. When you fall from high places your passive ability makes you turn around mid air like a cat and you will land on your feet, taking 50% less damage from the fall.
I don't know who had a bigger blow to their side, alliance or horde. The king is dead, now Vol'jin, who was warchief for about 1.5 expansions (siege of orgrimmar and WOD), is dead. Maybe Varian will be a raid boss or a dungeon boss under the rule of gul'dan, maybe Green Jesus will tell windrunner to gtfo and let him be cheif again, I don't know. Shit is just going down.
Thrall we be going off on his own in the xpac to think since doomhammer was dead weight in his hands after killing garrosh
Definatly a bigger blow to the alliance, Vol'Jin was practically a substitute warchief. Wrynn has been going strong since the beginning. This is arguably the biggest main (non-villian) character death
Arthas wasn't a villain and he's dead ._.
***** Arthas was definitely a villian. A tragic villian, but 100% a villian.
***** He wasn't he just wanted to save his people like Illidan
ALLIANCE!! YOU'VE LOST YOUR KING! How does that make you feel?!
Cause, holy shit, I've always been a Horde guy, but this just saddens me, that guy was fucking epic, damn
BAINE SHOULD HAVE BEEN WARCHIEF
SYLVANAS IS A WARMONGERER
varians death was pretty brutal
Baine is too naive to be warchief now
Baine sort of deserve to be the warchief, definitely more than Sylvanas, BUT.
Baine is like Vol'Jin, a peacemaker. Bane is not someone that'd be the best leader against an army that most likely is going to destroy everything you know and hold dear.
Sylvanas on the other hand, will be a great leader during times of war, she have a lot of experience too.
yeah, i agree, he will proby be warchif someday, but he is to young and dont have that much history on his back to be trust by the entire horde, sylvanas has the Lich king campaing
Rodrigo Liberato I hope Sylvanas won't die during this expansion, that would be sad, I really like her character, but oh well.
atleast she will get some attetion, she was ignored in WoD
10:00 It was at this moment Varian knew the Horde had to retreat. The realization can be seen on him in the reaction shot, shame he couldn't tell Genn before sacrificing himself.
They have taken our Warchief.This we do not forgive...or forget.
the horde remembers
I remember playing this game with two of my younger brothers back in the day. I miss those days!
Notice how that one Forsaken had green eyes.. Might be a hint
I think it was a demon in disguise
+Daniel Azarate Could be a possibility
Don't they normally have green eyes? Like the Bloodelves? Or am i missing something?
+Scars of Ares Nope, their eyes glow yellow.
Illidans favorite lines "YOUUUU ARE NOT PREPARED!!' "YOU ARE PREPARED!!" "YOU WERE NOT PREPARED"
Varian died to save the entire Alliance fleet.
Vol'Jin died to... Umm... Yeah.
varian went down like a fuckin boss and although i used to really hate him back in wotlk, he is honorable and he is a big dicked bastard. the horde cinematic is makin me tear up... really points to the idea that the horde needs to band together and although the races are all so different, they have been there for each other through this whole damn game and they need each other. i think sylvannas even realized it right there too... she is notorious for not trusting the horde and really only using them as an end to her means but you can tell now she has embraced the horde for what it is. a group of misfits who don't fit in with this honorable and shiny "alliance". FOR THE HORDE!!!
"who among you will help me avenge him ?" dammit blizzard 😢
I just finished reading the book Tomb of Sargaras, that was a prequel in this expansion. In it Gul'dan was agonizing that he can't can't conquer Azeroth and couldn't win in the past, because they [aliance, horde, heroes] are fighting together. One for all kind of stuff. So I wonder if it's a trap set by him, to set conflict between the horde and alliance again,,,,
Looking at the comments i think i'm one of the few who loves sylvanas?
we're rare, I guess xD
"who among you will help me avenge him" 😭😭
Finally someone dies in this game, bringing it back to warcraft roots !!
someone, have you not played WoW in a long time.. garrosh killed theTHE bloodhoof, garrosh died, that dranie quer killed by blackhand, so lots of people, main people died
Paul Pawlowski
in the old warcraft games everyone died. almost nobody carried through expansions :P
???? its the same story line warcraft games just went through the story line much faster, so it would be like just watch all the WoW cinematics, but as where we are in WoW put in the same spot in warcraft the same people will be dead. only differ is that it took WoW like 11 years or so while warcraft depends on how fast you play lol.
The warcraft games tell the story before World of Warcraft begins wtf are you talking about
Actually most of the of characters survived in the old warcraft games
truth be told, broken shore had me all kinds of emotional. as a near life time horde player, i actually teared up at varian's death... dude went out like a boss. that said, i was also sad about the loss of vol'jin, though probably a bit less, but now i'm psyched for sylvannas... don't get me wrong, i liked vol'jin as a take no shit warchief... but the legion cinematic, with varian's voice-over of the letter to anduin, that hand off later got me right in the feels.
As a Forsaken I... I think I just felt my heart... beat...
I like how there was no pandaren to be seen in that horde crowd , or in any of those bits for that matter. xD
accurate representation of the wow panda population
WOOOO WARCHIEF WINDRUNNER HYPE
Anyone else think they killed of Voljin way too soon?
He barely got to do anything in WoD and besides his quest line in Panderia they have barely used him for anything.
I might not have always liked Varian, but from Wotlk to now he had a character arc and tons of interaction with players. So there was a genuine connection between him and the players besides from being a cool concept of a character.
Volgin, most short-lived Warchief ever XD
garrosh was warchief for only 1 expansion as well
I will give you that one. But he did more during that time tho.
Thrall: 3 expansions Garrosh: Almost two expansions Vol'jin: 1 expansion
If this is any pattern, Sylvannas is gonna die before this expansion is over right? :P
Upon realizing had you not seen the horde's perspective you would think the horde had abandoned them in betrayal rather than preservation.
Dead-Rabbit Tenvia Even though I first saw this via Ally POV, I had a theory something happened on Sylvanas' side. Had to come here to verify.
That's it , fuck this game. It's unacceptable to see Sylvanas as warchief. And RIP Vol' Jin the true warchief of the horde , wise , calculated , strong and humble.. gosh im so sorry
for alliance
Do you throw your toys out of the pram at every given opportunity, or is it just when fictional storylines do fictional things you don't particularly like?
***** is it just when fictional storylines do fictional things i don't like
who among you will help me avenge him... that speech got me the chills. Synlvanas is pretty badass
Who's the leader of the Darkspear now?
Rokhan? He is the only other darkspear I can think of thats done anything of note
SalvLav Hmm maybe
Someone please stop cutting onions...
Amazing cutscenes, and amazing artwork.
If illidan is a raid boss again they fucked up more than ever.
Even in his last moments, he would defy death! RIP, Varian Wrynn! For the Alliance! For Azeroth!
fu.k varian.... but how? blizzard??? how you dare to kill voljin.. ?? hooooooooowwWwwwwww?????? dddddaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn !!!
:(
Fuck Voljin.
out with the old in with the new AY?
I will kill every horde i meet on my way to save Azeroth-
For The Alliance !!!
+Mazen Koaik ı kill all alliance players in my way at real
the music in the last minute is too awesome
Still, Baine would be a better Warchief with Sylvannas and Lor Themar as Advisors.
Baine and Andiun would be a unstopable Team vs any challenge that may divide both sides.
On Second Thought: maybe the Loa wanted Sylvannas to become a responsible Warchief "by force" (in which Garrosh failed) so she would not betray a Warchief Baine or Warchief Lor Themar.
fact is, the voices of azeroths spirits chose, not he
that may be the idea for not giving it to him its WARcraft not Peacecraft by making sylvanas the Warcheif now the Alliance members who are hardline anti horde will see this as a justification to try to kill the horde again and the new warchief facing Distrust from both sides will have to balance holding the horde together balancing enemies with Burning legion and allaince as you know the advisors for the alliance have been becoming more and more evil (in my opinion go horde or go home) meanwhile we have a boy king with advisors taking advantage of his loss and making an interesting mirror to pre Burning crusade when Onyxia was his advisor but maybe im overthinking it and its to virtue signal that hey horde is totally progressive and pandering.
I was just refering from a story standpoint the fact that Anduin is still a Teenager and an all knowing badass makes him an interesting story point can he trust his fathers advisors all the while greiving his fathers death because even as an adult the death of a parent isnt something you just shake off and focus on what needs to be done, so Auduin being manipulated by those who have spent his entire life around totally something that could be a thing, and just because some of his advisors are good doesnt dismiss that some will try to take advantage
I think i finally got the Idea why Baine was not elected two times in a row:
Both Thrall and the Loa pointed someone else as warchief, to aussure a rather happy life for Baine.
As a responsible Warchief you life always in worry for your people and Fear of Assasine (from both factions) -> Source: Thral in the book "Rise of the Horde"
Both Cairne and Baine have been Chieftains since young, and beiing responsible for more than just their own people might rop of their fullfilled Tauren Life. Despite the fact that Thrall still feels responsible for Cairne death and dont want Baine to live the stressful and even more dangerous Life of the Warchief.
And I agree with other people guess that the Loa choose Sysvannas to indirectly prevent her from betraying the horde. With Baine or even Lor' Themar as Warchief, Sylvannas might become (Magatha+Puthress)^2.
you know I have played a shaman since vanilla, but after your video I think I'm gonna play the demon hunter....thanks for the video.
Even after seeing the cinematic from the hordes view. Still can't help but be mad at Sylvanas. Her actions killed two leaders and made the horde look like weak cowards. Even Vol'jin admits he's never trusted her and for good reason.
I have a feeling her actions will have far reaching consequences. (For one thing this is the second time the horde has crossed Jana. And last time she had to be talked out of sending a title wave to wipe out orgrimmar.)
And now that she's been named warchief knowing that she's capable and willing to use the lich plague. This feels like a setup to make her a big bad.
First, Sylvanas didn't cause Vol'jin to die. Secondly, Vol'jin told Sylvanas that the horde can't die this day, which implies the horde should retreat at that moment. Not to mention most horde leaders are injured. Third, the horde and the alliance are never friends. They even start a ship battle while striking the ice crown citadel.
Of course, we won't expect Sylvanas becoming a peacemaker. But blaming all the faults on her is not fair.
Fongching Wu It is when you consider how hypocritical she is. She of all people using the same plague that created her people when waging war against greymane. Something she claimed she would never do. Much like when the events at wrath gate happened she was given the benefit of the doubt. But what if she just allowed us to "help" just to save face?
Despite her intentions her actions and choices make big ripples not just for the horde but for everyone. Like i said even Vol'jin said he's never trusted her. Even her and the forsaken even being part of the horde is out of convenience. In truth i doubt she even cares about any of the horde. It's all to further her goals.
Well said, she followed direct orders from her warchief!
Who is this Jana and what is this title wave you are talking about?
AtomicMonkeybutt You're joking right? Jaina Proudmoor. Once leader of Theramore and current leader of Dalaran. As for the tidal wave. after Garrosh nuked Theramore with a mana bomb Jania was going to harness the focusing irus and use it to call up a LOT of water elementals to make a tidal wave and wipe out orgrimar. She was talked out of it by Thrall and Kalecgos. (thrall tried to use his shaman powers to stop her but she was overpowering him then Kalecgos came and both of them combined prevented her from doing it)
TLDR: read world of warcraft: War crimes for the details.
I swear I've never seen the horde as united as it is today. A band of
legendary warriors bound by the lust for vengeance, ready to go to war
against the legion for their lost Warchief. Damn , it gives me shivers
:D
Cause Alliance & Horde.. are like oil and water.
i broke when varian died. But when i saw sylvanas as warchief..... the years i have played warcraft till wow, The story i saw that sylvanas made here who she is today. seeing her becomming warchief made me happy for her. she has a purpose, and maybe just maybe, this will create a new light for the dark lady. my queen.
fuck i love the horde so much
"Many will not understand..." I sure don't. I was thrilled by the fact he got to be Warchief! He got to be for one expantion, and the only thing he did was to die. Scince every other leader of the horde are as exiting as a plank of wood we got Sylvanas. Great.
I wanted more of Thrall, too bad Wrynn died. Only character after Uther and Arthas I could respect in Alliance.
Bolvar?
Jania?
tirion fordring?
he's too flashy and lights and pew pew
Bolvar is the Next Lich King, or Jailor of damned wich title better preferr. Tirion is neutral side now, Human and part of the alliance but hold in neutral side as leader of the Argent Crusade. Jania is Changed after what happend on Theramore Isle. Now she hate Horde.
An there is Another thing. Make this situation sensitive. After defeat defeat of Garrosh Wrynn an Voljin Made a peace pact, Now both leader gone... Undead Slyvannas is the leader of the horde, and Greymane see she just left abandoned the alliance in middle of the battle, why Wrynn died. He didin't see the Horde forces already overruned.
Give a take Now the Boy is the King. he want keep the peace. But im not sure Jania forgive what happend in past... Intresting time... Middle in a catastrophic war against Gul'dan.
Those pice of green shit... I realy wanna see his cropse... Especially now... For The Allaince!
Was disappointed that there was no cutscene for Anduin receiving the news and becoming the new Stormwind king. I finished on my Horde toons and saw the cutscene of Sylvanas becoming warchief, then hopped over to my one Alliance 100 to see the equivalent cutscene, but there wasn't one. Missed opportunity, I think! The cutscenes we did get were very well done, though.
Wait so.... Illidan was actually a good guy?
that was a theory for a very long time
He was always kind of an anti-hero. His intentions were usually good but the way he did things were not exactly the right thing to do.
His ways were BAD , but he mostly (maybe all) , do it for the Better GooD of the WORLD
Why his way of doing things is not right tell me ,because he wants to destroy the fucking legion from within?That is phreaking bad ass and smart , the "champions of Azeroth" should understand this.
well he always had a great thirst for power and in well of eternity he killed 6 of great elf commanders just because he was kinda bored of them. so maiev the sister of one of the commanders took him prisoner and guarded him for 10000 years. but yeah in the first war agianst legion illidan and his twin brother Melfurion saved the world together and side by side with Tyrande Ronin and a Great Orc named Broxigar who fought 1v1 with Sargeras and made him bleed before dying.
I loved the illidari history video, that was really cool.
why does this vid load so bloody slow?
because you sir have a walmart internet connection
lololol
that was brilliant. I lost my shit LOL
This vid is great. Also Ignoring Reality channel has some of the Artifact Missions for some of the classes. Newer channel I think, not many views yet, but he is pretty funny.
jaina could summ varian on the ship? and a priest could heal or rez vol'jin? wtf just do it blizzard plz!
too late we burnt Vol'jin
Rezzing isn't exactly common in the lore, as players of course we can rez because game play comes first.
but you can heal in lore
Apparently I heard somewhere that when attacked by Fel energy, it damages both the body and spirit to the point where healing and rezzing can't do any good.
Doesn't work, hellfire blocks the light. You can't heal or resurrect someone killed or wounded by felfire, the horde cinematic shows that much. Vol'jin told her that the healers said it would kill him and there wasn't anything they could do about it. Sylvannas would have offered to turn him but she knew it wouldn't work because of the fel corruption.
3:00
Maiev: Will you help us, demon hunter?
Demon Hunter: Sure, after you remove the blades you just impaled me with.
VARYAN AND VOL'JIN DIE!!WTF?!?!
When i was doing the senario,i thought that both alliance and horde were watching the samw cinematics. so i thought that they understood why the horde left. both leaders died that day . instead of making alliance and hirde stand together once again against the legion. they made it even more difficult for the two factions to work together..
Maiev went totally out of character.
Thrall's balls, Blizzard. Vol'Jin as warchief only lasted one expansion? Even gave him his own book to then kill him off after a year. And i can't help but feel that Sylvanas shouldn't have that kind of support in the horde.