Idea for a TV series. A school professor in poor health is tired of working 2 jobs for little to no money and goes on to win chess tournaments by cheating in most devious ways. Name: Breaking Bead
0:01 Hello everyone 0:50 If you check the dictionary really quickly 2:04 Spectacular game 2:45 Nothing to do for Stockfish 4:01 Completely new game 5:35 Game over 6:29 Castles queenside 6:477:209:3911:1512:58 Captures captures 7:49 Feel free to pause the video 9:12 Play pretty much the rest of the game without a king 9:33 Pawn to b4 10:45 Voice crack 13:25 It was in this position 13:54 So yeah
Agadmator: "I'm not interested in making any claims or trying to prove anyone is a cheater, so take this all light-heartedly. There's a difference between evidence and proof." Agadmator's RUclips thumbnail: "Hans Niemann is AlphaZero CONFIRMED!"
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I suppose my friends at the bar won't be very impressed when I explain them the difference between proof and evidence. But my friends at the library are gonna love it
The thing that kinda annoys me... Is that people are making such a big deal about how Magnus handled it.. Like at the end of the day it's any of their effhing business... Kept hearing things like Magnus owes an explanation... Like how stupid can you be... Why would he give Hans neiman the power to sue him after Magnus accused him of cheating... Because that's exactly what he did.. End of story.. And people want to tap dance around that and make a mountain of a molehill "what did he mean" "what in the world is going on" " this is so bad, magnus is wromg for this".. Magnus was very clear that he thought Hans cheated on him in in the 1st match and then undoubtedly reconfirmed it for any of the slow bus people .. w e
@@lionelmessi4953 Did you not watch the video? agad specifically points out that BOTH of them basically played top engine moves the entire game, not just Hans
Basically Hans has 9 100% games and 24 above 90% in the last 3 years. Magnus has only had 3 100% games in his entire career. Hans had a 6 tournament run with an average engine move better than Bobby Fischer's famous 20 game win streak. This is a feat that neither Fischer, Magnus or Kasparov accomplished at their peak. So either he suddenly became the greatest player of all time after turning 17, or he is cheating. You decide.
Again that is bull****, people raging over 100% are dumbos, you would be surprised but the 100% of those 3 Carlsen games were the exciting ones, most of the 100% games go unnoticed as they are boring, you play well and then you win and forget it. Also I doubt you did research those games and even if you did, you probably did it poorly. Thats why special teams are made for this. You do not find cheaters like GM Naroditsky by booting up stockfish in 3:30 in the morning and going......... Complete nonsense, and as Ben Finegold said: It's all not really anything except good content for Hikaru, Agad, Levy and others... They are not able to pinpoint anything, but granted its entertaining^^
Hans is from Multiverse, he cheated in one Universe and he is World champion in another where Magnus cheated! The root of all problems is he often gets confused which Universe he is in and hence says "Chess speaks for itself"
If you think what prove is, it is always a decision to consider the evidence sufficient. Unless it is a trivial logical construction, but that carries no new knowledge
but don't go overboard. because proof is built from evidence, so the only practical use you'd have from the definition would basically be to point out inconclusive evidence, which im sure you were already doing, which really makes no difference in practical cases. you don't want to be the annoying one going around saying "that's not proof, that's evidence!"
I remember your upload of AlphaZero trapping the Stockfish queen on H8. That was possibly the most insane engine game I've ever seen played out. Love when you reference a couple year old video, I know exactly which game you're talking about :)
@@elmahdiboulhya6835 ??? In the video Antonio references the game where AlphaZero trapped the queen, which is what I linked. There is no video of AlphaZero trapping their own queen if that's what you're looking for, as far as I know.
I really like your handling of the Carlsen-Niemann Situation, not taking sides, no speculations just facts and refusing to indulge in wild rumors. Thanks for that and please stay like that.
@@oscarwahlstrom5426 agreed, he leans more towards defending Hans than looking at it from strictly a stats perspective. I believe innocent until proven guilty but once chessbase showed the numbers, statistically there is no way he didnt play unfairly. In this game if i recall Hans got a 100% engine correlation and Mishra got 77%. i could be wrong i'm going by vague memory from when I watched the video. Awesome defense by Mishra, and if this was the only 100% game from Hans then it really is his best game of his life. However he has 10 100% games, where most top GMs dont even have 1. Very suspicious.
I remember this one young guy who made it his life's goal to beat the world champion. And when the day finally arrived he was so excited to explain how well he played. He was buzzing with enthusiasm and joy so keen to talk to the camera. And so with absolute excitement at achieving his lifes goal he stood in front of that camera. But in a strange turn of events he said in a grumpy, almost angry tone, "chess speaks for itself", and walked away. Then the audience asked, why was he angry after winning? A voice of judgement whispered, "he is angry because he sold his soul".
Its our public education system. it is 100% corrupt from top to bottom. they barely teach anything constructive or practical outside of The Message. Its a crime against humanity and that is not hyperbole. its really bad here.
I’m a generic midwestern white man, albeit a highly educated one, and I can’t speak a second language to save my life. Nothing but respect for those people who achieve fluency in a second tongue.
@@catstealer419dominion7 you have no idea how hard it is.. it took years from to even be somehow acknowledged as almost a fluent English speaker since my mother tangue is Arabic. 8 years in particular and thousands of hours spent listening and engaging with the foreigns to improve
If Hans used engine in this game and his opponent really did well and put up a great fight then Mishra could be the next big star in chess, imagine fighting chess engine only to lose In a king and pawn endgame.
Agad since we are seeing a Hans effects more often, now you have to also specify whether the game was played online mode or on the board… just like you mention whether it’s Classical, Rapid etc
Look at the little android robot cartoon in the bottom right of the video. Just below Agadmator. This indicates whether the game is Classical, Rapid, etc by the letter on the robot android cartoon. C = Classical R = Rapid B = Blitz
@@applesteve6932 you didn’t answer his question. Original commentator already knows this, but wanted to know if this is over the board or online. Perhaps it was all over the board until after covid?
@@timetheory84 Perhaps a more accurate analogy would be you have an admitted serial killer in custody, and you're pressing them to find out if they have any more victims you don't know about. Pretty standard procedure.
@@timetheory84 if you have proof, you don't need evidence (unless the proof depends upon it). Just because you have a suspect and you find evidence doesn't mean you can prove the suspect did it, even if he really did (I think that's what you're saying), sure. But if you have proof that so and so did it, what else do you need?
The question I asked myself was who would think of trapping their own knight so early with the plan of using it to trap the white king and essentially heading for an endgame where kings are much more useful than knights. I don't remember reading anything like that in Kotov's pre-engine era classic "Think like a grandmaster". Time for someone to write "Think like an engine".
I'm so hyped, I called the Re6 brilliancy, quite proud of that one. Just thinking of the logic of "the opposing rook is forced to capture otherwise you lose the rook or knight"
Agad with the wisdom. I will definitely tell my friends at the bar the difference between proof and evidence. I appreciate how fair you've been on the topic a truly level headed commentator. I myself need to work on that.
anyone else remember a few years ago when hans was playing hikaru online (and getting destoryed) and his heart rate went crazy high, to the point where he nearly passed out, and hikaru was told about it and stopped the game? that's why magnus' statement about hans not appearing stressed is very interesting. maybe he has just changed and matured so much recently, but he used to get VERY stressed while playing
You get used to it, when i first plaued against my IM coach i hyperventilated and had to go out to take a breather, after that it just became mpre and more normal, hans has played like 200 games in the past year i think, not surprising his nerves have got better.
That was his first opportunity to play him IIRC and it was also a tournament so he was freaking out. Cried when he lost, somehow convinced himself it was the only shot he'd ever have at playing a super GM.
Thank you for that clarification. I think simple and direct engagement with sensationalist content is so productive. I am grateful to those who do it as objectively as you do. I don't comment enough to tell you how much I appreciate your presence in our world.
I think it's easier to make near perfect moves in response to perfect moves than it is to make the original perfect moves. It's like following someone down a rugged path when they already know where it's going.
Great game! Also, I just realized how truly brilliant Agad is as a person, with the proof/evidence analysis; seeking to clarify subtle ambiguities. Keep it up and best wishes.
If anyone want more and arguably "better" analysis of this game then check out Fabiano Caruanas C Squared podcast, then you will actually see how insane some of these moves are
@@jdbond1990 more like the smallest if. My guy went silent after Carlsen's statement. Also not mentioning his suspicions all this time and his replies after beating magnus. Not even the superGMs dared to speak like that against Carlsen after thry beat him in a match. Not only Hans is a cheater but a kid who didn't raised well
Pozdrav,zanima me koji šahovski program koristite za PC ja sam koristio jedno vrjeme deep fritz međutim win 10 ga prepoznaje kao virus pa ga ne zeli pokrenuti,nasam se da nije problem jer postavljam poitanje na hrvatskom
Niemann is learning that cheating will follow you throughout your life. Even minor cheating in an inconsequential match will give you a cloud of suspicion for every good match you ever play whether you ever cheat again or not.
@@mr.safensound4238 I'm old. I'm not good at typing on a phone. You should have seen the errors I noticed. Glad to know the internet will always be there to check spelling and add nothing to the conversation 😉
He cheated from age 12 to 16 and then apologies and recruited perhaps the most known cheating chess mentor in the game in Dlugy. Way to change character. How blind can you get?
@@napoearth I'm 68 and I'm not good at typing on a phone, because I rarely try to do it. I use a computer with a good-sized screen and a proper keyboard. I don't know why people struggle with those silly little gadgets. I have an iPhone because it occasionally comes in handy, but I use it as little as possible.
clearly Mishra was using an engine as well, just a worse one, since most of his moves were top engine moves as well as agadmator said. Do you guys even watch the video or just read the title?
I don't understand why you wouldn't capture the g3 pawn at 6:03. I gave this position to Stockfish and it says it's the top move. My rating is barely 1000 and I was shocked that this wasn't played as I thought it's a no-brainer. Also weird that Antonio didn't even mention this, since the g3 pawn is the reason why the white king is trapped.
Not sure what stockfish you are using or what depth you are running it, but running stockfish 15 at depth of 20 or more the top three moves are Rf4, Rf5 and Nc2. Qxg3 is losing immediately to Nxf1.
@@fugglesme4186 Exactly my thoughts. Qxg3 seems to be the best move! and if kight to Nxf1, then either king captures knight or knight D2 captures on f1
@@fugglesme4186 Stockfish 14+ NNUE, depth 22 (lichess) Top move and line (-0.6): 1. Qxg3 Nxf1 2. Qg8+ Qf8 3. Qxh7 Nxd2 4. Bc2 O-O-O 5. Rd1 Ndf3+ 6. Nxf3 Nxf3+ 7. gxf3 d5 8. Bb3 Qc5+ After running it up until depth 47 (stopped after 11 hours lol) it seems that Qxg3 is only the 2nd best move and gives -0.9 advantage for black. Top move there is Rf5 (-0.8), but apparently after Bxf5, you still go Qxg3.
@@subbedgames6004 You get the rook back with Qg8+, though. Seems like a free knight for black after that (Nxd2), but after Bc2 and Rd1, black's knight is trapped. So white actually wins a pawn in this line.
No need to play top move when every move wins… it’s not inaccuracy or mistake if you still winning by -5… winning by -10 or -5 is a mistake that doesn’t matter
Wow, brilliant game. That king cage was a thing of beauty, but in fairness, what a defence from Mishra. I suppose one way of putting the first point in simple terms is that evidence suggests something, proof confirms it.
@@utilitymonster8267 cheating successfully requires even more skill than the legal way. You'll understand if you cheat and lie regularly. That's why fugitives actually make excellent detectives.
I have never seen him play IRL, but I know people who have, and they hold him in very high regard to say the least. There is no doubt that Niemann is a chess prodigy
I love getting good insight and interesting questions regarding my native language, English, from non-native speakers. People for whom English is not their mother tongue, I've noticed, tend to offer a really unique point of view regarding syntax and usage that native speakers just might not consider.
I wonder what was the post interview for Hans on this game. I suppose something along the lines of "he messed up the opening" to "I don't have to show lines" to "chess speaks for itself''.
It's the most sus game of his career because it wins move by move but later down the line. No human would play like that with a thought of getting winning endgame. Only engines play like that.
I noticed this theme in many of Hans' games this year: throwing his pawns and knights down the king side with sometimes brilliant, sometimes botched results. That's very HUMAN, to play on a theme in game after game.
As Mihhail Tal said "There are two types of sacrifice: the correct ones and mine." He was lucky there were no engines back then, he would most certainly be called a cheater since he had unorthodox style by the standards of that era. Of course you'd have to cherry-pick mostly his wins since his losses were often as spectacular as his wins. You could even come to a conclusion that he very often played "above his level", if you consider him at his worst as his level.
@@weasel4915 See Abdullah's reply. I am not going to debate anyone on here, esp people that makeup "facts". Did you see video? Most GM's play top plays...that is how one beats other GMs, afterall.
exactly, people are so braindead for real. just because magnus said it, they would believe everything as if he literally is the god, like, why can't there be any possibility of anyone else being better of a player than magnus? "if someone is better than magnus he's cheating, let's fuck his career" SMH. this scandal made me believe how stupid and toxic these chess fans/nerds are, they pretend to love the game and humiliate another player as if he's not a human being and would never be feeling disappointed. even though the anti-cheating department confirmed so many times that he didn't cheat at all since he's playing professionally people will still speak shit outta their mouths because they know nothing more else than that. people just don't wanna accept that magnus did this outta frustration. and that there can be a player higher than him.
At the start of all this drama, I thought how the hell can he cheat, and that it was all sour grapes on Magnus's part. But chess speaks for itself, Hans playing better than Fisher, Kasparov, and Magnus, out of the blue. No way, it takes years to climb to that level.
I feel like everyone initially jumped on the "magnus is just butthurt" bandwagon, but it didn't make sense to me. Magnus has lost gracefully to many young players, and even praised them, like Esipenko last year. He's not the most humble guy (neither were Fischer or Kasparov), but he's always been a good sportsman. He also has a better understanding than most of us patzers of what humans and engines are capable of. I trust Magnus's assessment over the downvote brigade on r/chess.
the analysis you are referring is wrong and blatantly misleading. You are referring to Yosha's analysis right? Dr. Ken Regan disproved that "analysis" days ago, deeming it irrelevant, misleading, and WRONG.
The video you took the so called "better than Kasparov" has already been debunked. You can trick chessbase let's check feature by analysing it with a custom/modded engine and guess what Hans 100% games have been analysed by custom engines by GambitMan the same guy who put up the spreadsheet
Ever since the advent of chess engines, there has been a shift in the thinking and teaching of chess. I feel that going forward we will find player moves align with chess engine moves more and more often over time. This may not be an indication of cheating, but rather the evolution of the chess player in general.
One argument for this is also that Stockfish mostly won just by overwhelming computation power that a human can't possibly emulate but the more eccentric playstyle of neural net engines is absolutely something a human can adapt to their own game.
@@pascal6871 I remember watching a video where someone on the deep mind team explained Alpha Zero's games. Alpha plays more with broad ideas and plans, which is interesting because it seems so human
Yea you’re absolutely correct. The difference is the players who will play very similar to chess engines will be able to elaborate on why they made moves. Hans does not demonstrate a 2700 level understanding of chess.
This game is completely insane. Trapping your own Knight with a foresight of next 20 moves or so is completely beyond human capability. If this game was played online then that explains 😅
The final rook trade was remarkable positional strategy. After this game and the infamous game against Magnus, I hope Hans is the real deal and there will be more treats!
we have seen engines sacrificing material to restrict the opponents movement in many games. its not impossible or out of the ordinary as humans have adopted this style, but it is still "engine like" play.
That is typical engine move since it has no emotion. Human players will be very nervous to take that move, unless the game played just for fun or elo different is very high.
Unbelievable! I have zero doubt that Hans has been cheating over the board. I've been playing chess for many years and its exceedingly rare that we see such a performance by anyone and much less an up and coming IM/GM. Hans went from IM to playing like A0 in a matter of months. I don't think so!!!
Hi. I also have zero doubt. Let's also consider the juxtaposition of this game with his recent trouncing in Miami where he scored zero points. The contrast is too too too much! The answer can only be engine ON, engine OFF! It is obvious and it is proof!
(Forgive me if this has already been explained, but there are too many comments for me to read through them) There is "proof" only in mathematics. Everything else is evidence. The terms are often confused, such as "proof beyond a reasonable doubt." Proof, in that context, really means evidence so strong that there can be no reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the suspect. So, strong evidence is all you need in a case like this. In law (I'm a lawyer) there are three standards of "proof:" beyond a reasonable doubt (to a moral certainty); clear and convincing evidence; and by a preponderance of the evidence (more likely so than not so). Note that the last two use the word "evidence," not proof. In the case of a cheater, outside of getting caught with a device, the standard should probably be by clear and convincing evidence. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is too high a standard, and "by the preponderance" is too low. What constitutes sufficient evidence to prove that someone is a cheater is up to the experts. It certainly can't be done with one game, particularly if both players play like this. (maybe they were both cheating). But it should be possible to determine a pattern of behaviour. I think that sometimes people on Chess.com start out not cheating, but start to cheat when they get into trouble. I've played many such people. They play like crap and get behind, then suddenly change to playing like an expert. Perhaps that's the analysis in this case.
Idea for a TV series. A school professor in poor health is tired of working 2 jobs for little to no money and goes on to win chess tournaments by cheating in most devious ways.
Name: Breaking Bead
I m the one who checks
Rook at me Magnus. Rook at me.
Why are you copy pasting Antonios Tweet 🤨
a subplot involving los caballos hermanos
The beads gambit.
0:01 Hello everyone
0:50 If you check the dictionary really quickly
2:04 Spectacular game
2:45 Nothing to do for Stockfish
4:01 Completely new game
5:35 Game over
6:29 Castles queenside
6:47 7:20 9:39 11:15 12:58 Captures captures
7:49 Feel free to pause the video
9:12 Play pretty much the rest of the game without a king
9:33 Pawn to b4
10:45 Voice crack
13:25 It was in this position
13:54 So yeah
Hahaha
The B4 move.. always lool
agadmatorino? is that you?
please don't waste your time like this ever again
🤣🤣🤣
Agadmator: "I'm not interested in making any claims or trying to prove anyone is a cheater, so take this all light-heartedly. There's a difference between evidence and proof."
Agadmator's RUclips thumbnail: "Hans Niemann is AlphaZero CONFIRMED!"
😆😆
Yea, no shit. I liked this guy, but if theres something online i hate its being shamelessly clickbaited. Fuck this channel
While this comment adds to the "engagement" for this video and might attract even more viewers, I also made the decision to "block" the channel, so it doesn't get into my timeline again, because of that.
All these people are willing to die on the hill of defending a cheater’s honor, intriguing.
@@Tekay37 yep I’ll do the same, click bait is a cancer
I suppose my friends at the bar won't be very impressed when I explain them the difference between proof and evidence. But my friends at the library are gonna love it
Best comment of the month
Amazing
😂😂😂 Ingenious
The thing that kinda annoys me... Is that people are making such a big deal about how Magnus handled it.. Like at the end of the day it's any of their effhing business... Kept hearing things like Magnus owes an explanation... Like how stupid can you be... Why would he give Hans neiman the power to sue him after Magnus accused him of cheating... Because that's exactly what he did.. End of story.. And people want to tap dance around that and make a mountain of a molehill "what did he mean" "what in the world is going on" " this is so bad, magnus is wromg for this".. Magnus was very clear that he thought Hans cheated on him in in the 1st match and then undoubtedly reconfirmed it for any of the slow bus people .. w e
hahaha
Hans just by miracle analyzed this exact position the day before
But somehow forgets immediately after the game
@@ramganeshj7664 "chess speaks for itself"
The chess speaks for itself
Chess speaks for itself
I don't even need to comment this.
Props to Mishra for lasting 56 moves against AlphaZero.
literally.
i mean this is worse than engine accuracy. either hans is the best player ever in history of chess. or something is stockfishy about this.
@@lionelmessi4953 Did you not watch the video? agad specifically points out that BOTH of them basically played top engine moves the entire game, not just Hans
@@MauricioMartinez0707 yes but that knight trapping the king is not how humans play.
except that mishra has calculated couple of moves ahead , while hans moves shows effect after 10 moves later.
@@lalapt127 trapping your own piece isn't something a human would consider but an engine would play it
Basically Hans has 9 100% games and 24 above 90% in the last 3 years. Magnus has only had 3 100% games in his entire career. Hans had a 6 tournament run with an average engine move better than Bobby Fischer's famous 20 game win streak. This is a feat that neither Fischer, Magnus or Kasparov accomplished at their peak. So either he suddenly became the greatest player of all time after turning 17, or he is cheating. You decide.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, ITS A DUCK!
Again that is bull****, people raging over 100% are dumbos, you would be surprised but the 100% of those 3 Carlsen games were the exciting ones, most of the 100% games go unnoticed as they are boring, you play well and then you win and forget it. Also I doubt you did research those games and even if you did, you probably did it poorly. Thats why special teams are made for this. You do not find cheaters like GM Naroditsky by booting up stockfish in 3:30 in the morning and going......... Complete nonsense, and as Ben Finegold said: It's all not really anything except good content for Hikaru, Agad, Levy and others... They are not able to pinpoint anything, but granted its entertaining^^
Where you saw these stats lol?Paranoia...
@@dimkilago2958 Google it?
It speaks for itself, as if it wasn't obviously enough before that data emerged.
Agadmator giving out English as well as chess lessons, love to see it!
dont uknow
he used to teach us english earlier
Still having some problem with pronouns though 🤣
Vast knowledge!
... and logic...
Do you have proof of this?
Impressive, not many people can take Alpha Zero into a King pawn endgame.
Well put my friend
Clearly the youngest Grandmaster in history has nothing on the Smoken Niemann 5000.
So were they both cheating?
Imagine cheating with top engine moves all game and still losing.
@@kwittnebel are you slow ?
AlphaZero spoke for itself.
You just made my day lmao
Hans is from Multiverse, he cheated in one Universe and he is World champion in another where Magnus cheated! The root of all problems is he often gets confused which Universe he is in and hence says "Chess speaks for itself"
xD
@@drstrange9603 LOL 😂😂😂😂
AlphaBeads*
English can be a confusing language. For example, this is a compliment: “Hans is alpha zero”.
And this is an accusation: “Hans is alpha zero.”
We must polish the Polish furniture.
This has nothing to do with english, the meaning of the two sentence depends on the tone, the way you say it it’s not exclusive to english
This is just context, show me a language that is not affected by it
It depends on the context regardless the language used : Arabic, French, Chinese...u name it
You don’t know portuguese.
Former prosecutor here. To see Agad discuss the proof v. evidence concept, Agad again has reached a new level of awesomeness.
..YES BUT IT IS REALLY HURTING THE MAGNUS / HIKAROO FANBOYS, there will be many sleepless nights heh heh
As if we needed more reasons to respect this man. Props, nothing else.
ALAB
Heroic performance by Mishra, considering he was playing against perfection.
Yes Hans is really good. He is going to replace Magnus.
Luckily Hans was studying this exact position two nights ago! Hard work pays off folks
Whatever engine Hans is using behind the scenes is truly one of the best players of all time.
The beginning of an Agadmator video is ALWAYS a chuckle-fest. Seriously amazing dry humor.
Easter Europeans are the kings of dry humor.
@@barbaroacosta5335 ah yes, Croatia, the heart of eastern Europe!
@@ClockworkBadger Also, Italy land of the rising sun
In the era of debate, proof vs evidence is definitely something I can use in my travels, thank you agadmator. More studying to do.
If you think what prove is, it is always a decision to consider the evidence sufficient. Unless it is a trivial logical construction, but that carries no new knowledge
but don't go overboard. because proof is built from evidence, so the only practical use you'd have from the definition would basically be to point out inconclusive evidence, which im sure you were already doing, which really makes no difference in practical cases. you don't want to be the annoying one going around saying "that's not proof, that's evidence!"
Just wait until you folks get a hold of the idea of preponderance of evidence.
@@illumidev4201 anime pfp checks out.
@@illumidev4201 me either :(
Niemann played AlphaZero and 7 moves in AlphaZero said "Hey, wait a minute. Am I playing myself?"
The chess speaks for itself!
That would be where ai spoke for itself
I remember your upload of AlphaZero trapping the Stockfish queen on H8. That was possibly the most insane engine game I've ever seen played out. Love when you reference a couple year old video, I know exactly which game you're talking about :)
Can you show what the game is please ! Thanks in advance
Bump
ruclips.net/video/lFXJWPhDsSY/видео.html here is the game for those who are asking
@@lornemalvo4492 thanks but no. I want the game where alphazero traped his OWN queen in purpose
@@elmahdiboulhya6835 ??? In the video Antonio references the game where AlphaZero trapped the queen, which is what I linked. There is no video of AlphaZero trapping their own queen if that's what you're looking for, as far as I know.
"AlphaZero lives vicariously through me."
-probably Hans Niemann
*lives vicariously in my asshole
I can feel alpha zero in my gut
@@danyboon4851 pause
@@danyboon4851 What's alpha zero doing in your butt?
"Gives tapeworm a whole new meaning" -- Elon Musk probably
I really like your handling of the Carlsen-Niemann Situation, not taking sides, no speculations just facts and refusing to indulge in wild rumors.
Thanks for that and please stay like that.
I don't think this video is without subtle insinuations.
@@oscarwahlstrom5426 agreed, he leans more towards defending Hans than looking at it from strictly a stats perspective. I believe innocent until proven guilty but once chessbase showed the numbers, statistically there is no way he didnt play unfairly. In this game if i recall Hans got a 100% engine correlation and Mishra got 77%. i could be wrong i'm going by vague memory from when I watched the video. Awesome defense by Mishra, and if this was the only 100% game from Hans then it really is his best game of his life. However he has 10 100% games, where most top GMs dont even have 1. Very suspicious.
I remember this one young guy who made it his life's goal to beat the world champion. And when the day finally arrived he was so excited to explain how well he played. He was buzzing with enthusiasm and joy so keen to talk to the camera. And so with absolute excitement at achieving his lifes goal he stood in front of that camera. But in a strange turn of events he said in a grumpy, almost angry tone, "chess speaks for itself", and walked away. Then the audience asked, why was he angry after winning? A voice of judgement whispered, "he is angry because he sold his soul".
Define "facts" and we'll take you seriously. Until then, you'll remain a willfully naive ostrich.
Agree! Great job staying neutral, until Magnus has proof Hans is just the new phenom he is scared of.
“How dare you compare alpha zero to me, I’m alpha 007” Hans Neiman
007 makes sense since Hans is every engine in disguise like a spy. Alpha Zero is incapable of disguise.
AlphaZero speaks for itself
White King: Now you've trapped yourself.
Black Knight: I'm not trapped here with you , you're trapped here with me!
I can hear this comment :D
"Now youre gonna find out the score."
Alpha: 0-1. Come and get me!
😂
It's clear now that Bruce Wayne was never Batman, it was Walter Joseph Kovacs all along!
As Fabiano said, the king is a piece too! That king ain't going anywhere.
"The chess speaks for itself" ~ AlphaZero
He speaks English better than half the people I know and I live in the middle of the United States
same but i live in england west midlands....
Its our public education system. it is 100% corrupt from top to bottom. they barely teach anything constructive or practical outside of The Message. Its a crime against humanity and that is not hyperbole. its really bad here.
I’m a generic midwestern white man, albeit a highly educated one, and I can’t speak a second language to save my life. Nothing but respect for those people who achieve fluency in a second tongue.
Most Americans draw their family lineage from laborers. They weren't scholars by any means.
@@catstealer419dominion7 you have no idea how hard it is.. it took years from to even be somehow acknowledged as almost a fluent English speaker since my mother tangue is Arabic. 8 years in particular and thousands of hours spent listening and engaging with the foreigns to improve
Hans "The chess speaks for itself" Niemann
I was one of the participants in this tournament and I thought this game and the game vs Ostrovskiy were out of the ordinary
#suggestion can we see the game vs Ostrovskiy too?
because he's a cheater
No you weren't lol.
@@dizzy9146 yea he was search gauri shankar charlotte fall invitational and youll see he participated
What do you mean by "out of the ordinary"?
If Hans used engine in this game and his opponent really did well and put up a great fight then Mishra could be the next big star in chess, imagine fighting chess engine only to lose In a king and pawn endgame.
He is youngest GM
He is a Star already.
He would not be using engine for each move
@@kunalsandilya6034 but they say it's 100% accuracy
Amazing for him.
I’m more impressed with the defense. What a boss
Yeah, very inpressive defence against StockFish or LC0.
@@КонкретныйПацан-р4т cope.
Trapping your own knight in order to trap the king is by far the most impressive idea in this particular game
probably both cheating lmao
@@magnum4989 damn, everyone is cheating nowadays
Thanks!
The Alpha Zero speaks for itself.
More like Hans speaks for AlphaZero, while AlphaZero speaks against Hans.
You gotta love Agad's take on the situation. So balanced and reasonable... What a great contributor to chess and education in general.
Really the man, i like his Intake in this
did you read the title?
Hans last game as an IM against GM Sebastian Maze was a "Spectacular one".
Hans Won in 22 moves and not a single piece was captured in the game.
Use #suggestion so he can see this comment when looking for future video ideas!
"While it loses the game, it is the absolute best move" - I seem to find quite a lot of those.
Agad since we are seeing a Hans effects more often, now you have to also specify whether the game was played online mode or on the board… just like you mention whether it’s Classical, Rapid etc
Look at the little android robot cartoon in the bottom right of the video. Just below Agadmator. This indicates whether the game is Classical, Rapid, etc by the letter on the robot android cartoon.
C = Classical
R = Rapid
B = Blitz
@@applesteve6932 you didn’t answer his question. Original commentator already knows this, but wanted to know if this is over the board or online. Perhaps it was all over the board until after covid?
@@TheGrinningSkullwho the hell plays online classical games
this video is probably going to blow up and i'm glad. you 100% deserve it thanks for the great videos
Suffocating the king with the pawns is so like the alpha zero play style.
Bro forreal thats not a human style of playing
@@camreese The position is not so complex lol.The lines are so forced.
@@dimkilago2958 Like you have enough elo rating to judge whether it is forcing or not lol..
@@swapnilkulkarni877 Of course i have noob.
@@dimkilago2958 What is this? A 10 year old from RuneScape 2008? Fascinating.
Another way to explain the difference is:
Evidence is suggestive, proof is definitive.
Love the channel.
Not in court.
@@CramcrumBrewbringer explain
@@timetheory84 Perhaps a more accurate analogy would be you have an admitted serial killer in custody, and you're pressing them to find out if they have any more victims you don't know about. Pretty standard procedure.
@@timetheory84 if you have proof, you don't need evidence (unless the proof depends upon it). Just because you have a suspect and you find evidence doesn't mean you can prove the suspect did it, even if he really did (I think that's what you're saying), sure. But if you have proof that so and so did it, what else do you need?
@@stevenjones8575 but more to the point, a confession isn't proof either, just more evidence.
The question I asked myself was who would think of trapping their own knight so early with the plan of using it to trap the white king and essentially heading for an endgame where kings are much more useful than knights. I don't remember reading anything like that in Kotov's pre-engine era classic "Think like a grandmaster". Time for someone to write "Think like an engine".
I like how nuanced Agadmator is. Since he is not a top GM, this is the best move in the position.
@@MrK623 That went right over your head. 😐
@@MrK623 You totally misunderstood his comment.
@@tatrotzz3643 Right. Antonio was definitely dropping subtle hints, lol.
Did I get here too late and a previous comment has been removed? :)
Well, unlike a gm, he doesn't have to kiss Carlson's ass.
Brilliant game. Good instructional game for beginners on how all you need is a single pawn of material to win, trading everything off to the end.
Nah beginners can trade everything off and still lose easily when up many pawns. Chess is hard
That's just to basic man
It's indeed instructional but beginners will make blunders with bigger advantages. Hans also had to play a great endgame go win this game
I'm so hyped, I called the Re6 brilliancy, quite proud of that one. Just thinking of the logic of "the opposing rook is forced to capture otherwise you lose the rook or knight"
Your assessment was very helpful. Thank you agadmator.
I can’t believe Hans played better than Fischer at his peak! Amazing.
😂😂😂
thats why we call him fishy
Fisher was literally the best . . . . .
@@manasuniyal2897 no he wasnt
Did fischer train with the best chess player ?
Agad with the wisdom. I will definitely tell my friends at the bar the difference between proof and evidence. I appreciate how fair you've been on the topic a truly level headed commentator. I myself need to work on that.
If you watch Fabi and Nakas commentary on the whole situation it is clear that they are 99% sure that chess speaks for itself
Nakamura? That bandwagon jumping drama queen?
Ignore any gossip Naki shares and your world will be better for it.
@@snaxx2337 Yes, aka the guy who was right all along.
Fabi was very objective and trying hard to put the best construction on every move. But even he started using the word "suspicious".
Wesley literally thanked the anti cheating committee after beating Hans in the sinquefield cup. What does that tell us?
anyone else remember a few years ago when hans was playing hikaru online (and getting destoryed) and his heart rate went crazy high, to the point where he nearly passed out, and hikaru was told about it and stopped the game? that's why magnus' statement about hans not appearing stressed is very interesting. maybe he has just changed and matured so much recently, but he used to get VERY stressed while playing
You get used to it, when i first plaued against my IM coach i hyperventilated and had to go out to take a breather, after that it just became mpre and more normal, hans has played like 200 games in the past year i think, not surprising his nerves have got better.
That was his first opportunity to play him IIRC and it was also a tournament so he was freaking out. Cried when he lost, somehow convinced himself it was the only shot he'd ever have at playing a super GM.
You can't be stressed if you know you'll win thanks to an engine.
comparing Hans when he was a kid playing against his idol to when he is an adult Super GM???
Wouldn't you be more stressed while cheating tho? Because you're afraid that if you get caught your career is dead
Thank you for that clarification. I think simple and direct engagement with sensationalist content is so productive. I am grateful to those who do it as objectively as you do. I don't comment enough to tell you how much I appreciate your presence in our world.
thanks for the straight commentary on a brilliant game from both players.
Either Misra plays AlphaZero and forced only move...or Hans plays like AlphaZero would..both are scary
I think it's easier to make near perfect moves in response to perfect moves than it is to make the original perfect moves. It's like following someone down a rugged path when they already know where it's going.
This game is really instructive I think. It shows the importance of the King in the endgame. :>
the beauty there was getting equality with a trapped piece else if that pawn chain would fall it would have been gg
Pawn push,and knight sacrifice.
Sì:>
This is absolutely an engine game.
I think Alpha Zero would be proud for such a game for black!
Yea no doubt
Hans is not cheating. He's just a great exciting chess player. "The chess speaks for itself."
One thing Caruana pointed at his analysis was the close to none time spent by hans on these brilliant moves
The moves made a lot of sense though, they were not really hard to spot
@@misterunknown8923 🧢
Hans plays good chess.
@@misterunknown8923 i think you should be the next wildcard entry for the candidates man
@@misterunknown8923 😳
Mishra is a badass. I can't wait to see him go for a title run. The boy can play!
Double standard
Yess
@@jootpepet Plot Twist: they both cheated. Mishra's engine just glitched out for a second,
Bedankt
Rorschach's infamous "I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me" quote would have been fantastic for this video
Was thinking about that same quote ^^ was reading Watchmen few days ago
Its not infamous, its famous
The chess speaks for itself, litteraly, he doesnt need to say anything anymore 🤣
Great game! Also, I just realized how truly brilliant Agad is as a person, with the proof/evidence analysis; seeking to clarify subtle ambiguities. Keep it up and best wishes.
If anyone want more and arguably "better" analysis of this game then check out Fabiano Caruanas C Squared podcast, then you will actually see how insane some of these moves are
What episode?
Yes as Caruana says ... an alien is playing here
Good sir, your double entendre, reverse psychology sarcasm is an art in and of itself.
For English being your second language, you used the "smoking gun" metaphor perfectly. Great video as always!
Actually a cool nickname if he eventually clears his name - Hans “the engine” Niemann.
He will end up claiming he is part ***** ancestry.
Bro he is a cheater u still think he can come clean? 😂😂😂
more like hans "100%" niemann
@@Triple3D admittedly a big “if” 😏
@@jdbond1990 more like the smallest if. My guy went silent after Carlsen's statement. Also not mentioning his suspicions all this time and his replies after beating magnus. Not even the superGMs dared to speak like that against Carlsen after thry beat him in a match. Not only Hans is a cheater but a kid who didn't raised well
Hans gave Mishra a Knightmare!
Hope all is well. Great to see you on my feed again.
Hans "The Engine" Neimann
From this game I see that Mishra will be the greatest chess player of his generation, I hope he continues his growth
India is going to have a golden generation.
@@tomatosauceenjoyer he American indian and i think he is affiliated to usa
@@tomatosauceenjoyer he’s American
@@tomatosauceenjoyer He is an American and he is also affiliated with US chess federation
There's no "golden" era for India. There won't be any.
Pozdrav,zanima me koji šahovski program koristite za PC ja sam koristio jedno vrjeme deep fritz međutim win 10 ga prepoznaje kao virus pa ga ne zeli pokrenuti,nasam se da nije problem jer postavljam poitanje na hrvatskom
Niemann is learning that cheating will follow you throughout your life. Even minor cheating in an inconsequential match will give you a cloud of suspicion for every good match you ever play whether you ever cheat again or not.
And a cloud of 'suspension' and even of suspicion as well😉
@@mr.safensound4238 I'm old. I'm not good at typing on a phone. You should have seen the errors I noticed. Glad to know the internet will always be there to check spelling and add nothing to the conversation 😉
He cheated from age 12 to 16 and then apologies and recruited perhaps the most known cheating chess mentor in the game in Dlugy. Way to change character. How blind can you get?
@@napoearth I'm 68 and I'm not good at typing on a phone, because I rarely try to do it. I use a computer with a good-sized screen and a proper keyboard. I don't know why people struggle with those silly little gadgets. I have an iPhone because it occasionally comes in handy, but I use it as little as possible.
It sets precedence.
Big ups to Mishra for putting up this resistance against Alpha Zero
clearly Mishra was using an engine as well, just a worse one, since most of his moves were top engine moves as well as agadmator said.
Do you guys even watch the video or just read the title?
5:55 why didnt mishra capture pawn g3 with the queen?? pls can anyone ezxplain
If the g3 pawn is captured - then following the rook capture by Knight, Black can direct all the big guns on the g-file with 0-0-0 and h5.
Love it, that while most people are jumping to conclusions you are one of the few who presents facts and even more in such an entertaining way!
I don't understand why you wouldn't capture the g3 pawn at 6:03. I gave this position to Stockfish and it says it's the top move. My rating is barely 1000 and I was shocked that this wasn't played as I thought it's a no-brainer. Also weird that Antonio didn't even mention this, since the g3 pawn is the reason why the white king is trapped.
Prob didn't wanna give up material, via knight taking his rook
Not sure what stockfish you are using or what depth you are running it, but running stockfish 15 at depth of 20 or more the top three moves are Rf4, Rf5 and Nc2. Qxg3 is losing immediately to Nxf1.
@@fugglesme4186 Exactly my thoughts. Qxg3 seems to be the best move! and if kight to Nxf1, then either king captures knight or knight D2 captures on f1
@@fugglesme4186 Stockfish 14+ NNUE, depth 22 (lichess)
Top move and line (-0.6):
1. Qxg3 Nxf1 2. Qg8+ Qf8 3. Qxh7 Nxd2 4. Bc2 O-O-O 5. Rd1 Ndf3+ 6. Nxf3 Nxf3+ 7. gxf3 d5 8. Bb3 Qc5+
After running it up until depth 47 (stopped after 11 hours lol) it seems that Qxg3 is only the 2nd best move and gives -0.9 advantage for black. Top move there is Rf5 (-0.8), but apparently after Bxf5, you still go Qxg3.
@@subbedgames6004 You get the rook back with Qg8+, though. Seems like a free knight for black after that (Nxd2), but after Bc2 and Rd1, black's knight is trapped. So white actually wins a pawn in this line.
The eloquence of your English (along with your insightful analysis) is a big reason for my interest in your videos.
That endgame was a Masterpiece never seen in a K and N endgame
2 inaccuracies and 1 mistake in this one
No need to play top move when every move wins… it’s not inaccuracy or mistake if you still winning by -5… winning by -10 or -5 is a mistake that doesn’t matter
@@mmm22chess Niemann's moves (later in the game) cost him the advantage several times and even gave white the advantage once or twice.
@@ETBrooD he doesn’t cheat every move..
The chess spoke for itself once again
Wow, brilliant game. That king cage was a thing of beauty, but in fairness, what a defence from Mishra.
I suppose one way of putting the first point in simple terms is that evidence suggests something, proof confirms it.
Hans is a genius. Either as player or as cheater.
What is so genius about cheating?
@@utilitymonster8267 cheating successfully requires even more skill than the legal way. You'll understand if you cheat and lie regularly. That's why fugitives actually make excellent detectives.
I have never seen him play IRL, but I know people who have, and they hold him in very high regard to say the least. There is no doubt that Niemann is a chess prodigy
Not getting caught under all that load of anti chea tmeasures of course....
@@cosmonautreborn6908 Every Grandmaster is a prodigy, so that’s quite a useless statement.
Hans uses chess to express something that is deep inside of him…
Deep inside huh
Intestines.
😂
transistors?
I love getting good insight and interesting questions regarding my native language, English, from non-native speakers. People for whom English is not their mother tongue, I've noticed, tend to offer a really unique point of view regarding syntax and usage that native speakers just might not consider.
I wonder what was the post interview for Hans on this game.
I suppose something along the lines of "he messed up the opening" to "I don't have to show lines" to "chess speaks for itself''.
Exactly.
A very "I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me!" kind of game.
Rorschach knight
Loving the titles Agad.
It's the most sus game of his career because it wins move by move but later down the line. No human would play like that with a thought of getting winning endgame. Only engines play like that.
"But Hans plays it perfectly of course. "
Ha ha, so true! :)
Love your channel. Your second language is as good as my first. 👍
I noticed this theme in many of Hans' games this year: throwing his pawns and knights down the king side with sometimes brilliant, sometimes botched results. That's very HUMAN, to play on a theme in game after game.
As Mihhail Tal said "There are two types of sacrifice: the correct ones and mine."
He was lucky there were no engines back then, he would most certainly be called a cheater since he had unorthodox style by the standards of that era. Of course you'd have to cherry-pick mostly his wins since his losses were often as spectacular as his wins. You could even come to a conclusion that he very often played "above his level", if you consider him at his worst as his level.
@@weasel4915 See Abdullah's reply. I am not going to debate anyone on here, esp people that makeup "facts". Did you see video? Most GM's play top plays...that is how one beats other GMs, afterall.
I bet Magnus usually plays the fourth best move yet strangely still beats high ranking GMs... That's how chess works, after all.
@@Pasharamus great comment
exactly, people are so braindead for real.
just because magnus said it, they would believe everything as if he literally is the god, like, why can't there be any possibility of anyone else being better of a player than magnus? "if someone is better than magnus he's cheating, let's fuck his career" SMH.
this scandal made me believe how stupid and toxic these chess fans/nerds are, they pretend to love the game and humiliate another player as if he's not a human being and would never be feeling disappointed.
even though the anti-cheating department confirmed so many times that he didn't cheat at all since he's playing professionally people will still speak shit outta their mouths because they know nothing more else than that.
people just don't wanna accept that magnus did this outta frustration.
and that there can be a player higher than him.
At the start of all this drama, I thought how the hell can he cheat, and that it was all sour grapes on Magnus's part. But chess speaks for itself, Hans playing better than Fisher, Kasparov, and Magnus, out of the blue. No way, it takes years to climb to that level.
I feel like everyone initially jumped on the "magnus is just butthurt" bandwagon, but it didn't make sense to me. Magnus has lost gracefully to many young players, and even praised them, like Esipenko last year. He's not the most humble guy (neither were Fischer or Kasparov), but he's always been a good sportsman. He also has a better understanding than most of us patzers of what humans and engines are capable of. I trust Magnus's assessment over the downvote brigade on r/chess.
hans games were analyzed eith more engines than Fischer's, Magnus', Kasparov's etc so the accuracy is affected you can't make these comparisons
the analysis you are referring is wrong and blatantly misleading. You are referring to Yosha's analysis right? Dr. Ken Regan disproved that "analysis" days ago, deeming it irrelevant, misleading, and WRONG.
The video you took the so called "better than Kasparov" has already been debunked. You can trick chessbase let's check feature by analysing it with a custom/modded engine and guess what Hans 100% games have been analysed by custom engines by GambitMan the same guy who put up the spreadsheet
@@ienjoyapples You trust Magnus' words, we trust the rule of the land where everyone is innocent until proven guilty. We are not the same
At 5:44 shouldn't have been better if white moved Kf3? And if Ke4 then Qd2.
Ever since the advent of chess engines, there has been a shift in the thinking and teaching of chess. I feel that going forward we will find player moves align with chess engine moves more and more often over time. This may not be an indication of cheating, but rather the evolution of the chess player in general.
One argument for this is also that Stockfish mostly won just by overwhelming computation power that a human can't possibly emulate but the more eccentric playstyle of neural net engines is absolutely something a human can adapt to their own game.
@@pascal6871 I remember watching a video where someone on the deep mind team explained Alpha Zero's games. Alpha plays more with broad ideas and plans, which is interesting because it seems so human
Yes, this evolution will happen even more quickly for those players who use an engine during their games
Yea you’re absolutely correct. The difference is the players who will play very similar to chess engines will be able to elaborate on why they made moves. Hans does not demonstrate a 2700 level understanding of chess.
This game is completely insane. Trapping your own Knight with a foresight of next 20 moves or so is completely beyond human capability. If this game was played online then that explains 😅
Pure genius. Thank you for sharing this with us.
Agadmator:- Hans Niemann is AlphaZero CONFIRMED!
Magnus:- Hans Niemann is(using)AlphaZero CONFIRMED!!
how do you use AlphaZero? is it open source?
The final rook trade was remarkable positional strategy. After this game and the infamous game against Magnus, I hope Hans is the real deal and there will be more treats!
He’s not. He’s a cheater
@@CarloRossiTheGreat nobody asked you
@@chaosdemon1870 someone had to tell the guy
@@CarloRossiTheGreat real life is not anime plot
@@eugenemartone7023 as if you already know everything. Don't talk about speculations as if they are facts .
Brutal partida!.gracias Agadmator's,Saludos.
The Real question :
Can an human sacrifice the activity of one Knight in move 17 to lock the King for the endgame or is it out of Human brain reach ?
we have seen engines sacrificing material to restrict the opponents movement in many games. its not impossible or out of the ordinary as humans have adopted this style, but it is still "engine like" play.
I would say it’s pretty apparent that’s what’s going to happen, if you go back to the position where he made the knight move.
That is typical engine move since it has no emotion. Human players will be very nervous to take that move, unless the game played just for fun or elo different is very high.
Unbelievable! I have zero doubt that Hans has been cheating over the board. I've been playing chess for many years and its exceedingly rare that we see such a performance by anyone and much less an up and coming IM/GM. Hans went from IM to playing like A0 in a matter of months. I don't think so!!!
Hi. I also have zero doubt. Let's also consider the juxtaposition of this game with his recent trouncing in Miami where he scored zero points. The contrast is too too too much! The answer can only be engine ON, engine OFF! It is obvious and it is proof!
says the noob.
@@arcanea9598 says the cheater
(Forgive me if this has already been explained, but there are too many comments for me to read through them)
There is "proof" only in mathematics. Everything else is evidence. The terms are often confused, such as "proof beyond a reasonable doubt." Proof, in that context, really means evidence so strong that there can be no reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the suspect. So, strong evidence is all you need in a case like this.
In law (I'm a lawyer) there are three standards of "proof:" beyond a reasonable doubt (to a moral certainty); clear and convincing evidence; and by a preponderance of the evidence (more likely so than not so). Note that the last two use the word "evidence," not proof.
In the case of a cheater, outside of getting caught with a device, the standard should probably be by clear and convincing evidence. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is too high a standard, and "by the preponderance" is too low.
What constitutes sufficient evidence to prove that someone is a cheater is up to the experts. It certainly can't be done with one game, particularly if both players play like this. (maybe they were both cheating). But it should be possible to determine a pattern of behaviour.
I think that sometimes people on Chess.com start out not cheating, but start to cheat when they get into trouble. I've played many such people. They play like crap and get behind, then suddenly change to playing like an expert. Perhaps that's the analysis in this case.
Abhimanyu played an insane game
The game looked like an engine line and im 100% sure that it is. Abhimanyu handled it like a fucking king