Spoiler if you have not watched previous testimony! RE-Cell phone data. It showed that Cody had called home and he was on the phone for about 20 minutes. I believe he was talking to Grant. I think Cody had tried to call his parents cell phones, got no answer and then called land line. Cody's best friend testified that he clocked out 15 minutes before he HAD to "leaving money on the table" which his friend said he would normally never have done. He stated he thought it was unusual. He said Cody did not seem alarmed, but he still thought it unusual that Cody to chose to leave early. When he tried the cell phone lines twice at 9:16 and got no answer, and then called land line- I imagine Grant answered and gave some weird reason as to why Cody could not talk to his mom or dad, like perhaps they went to a late dinner which Cody would have thought weird. Thus, he decided to go home early wherein he was shot entering the back door.
I’ve noticed several judges do this during trial. I’d be that one juror who would tell the judge it was distracting, and request she stop or use a silent keyboard.
@@robvasquez79 the jurors dont hear it as well as we do, because our audio is being fed through mics so we can watch the video, one of these mics is right in front of the judge. The jurors are not listening through mics, but are in the room, away from the judge.
When the defense acts so arrogant, I as a juror would notice that and take it for as they are trying to keep their heads above water. I cant believe how rude this defense is
Milton Waddams wrong. Nice or naughty aren't the precise terms I would use. Pleasant and unpleasant behavior probably more useful. If I come to the conclusion that I do not like the behavior of a person, I can not divorce completely my feelings with my weighing of the evidence no matter how I try. Many published studies support that people make determinations about people by their height, weight, clothes, shoes, teeth and certainly their manner. Right or wrong. That defense lawyer is unpleasant, and it makes me question his integrity, his motives, his intelligence, etc. etc. Lesson here is if you are a defendant (which I have been) you will be coached on how to become more "pleasant " in the eyes of the jury. Looks--Haircut, facial hair, visible tattoos etc., and mannerisms--eye movements, facial expressions , perceived attitude, etc. My lawyers choose my tie, the sent me to a tanning booth place, and chose the glasses I would or would not wear. IT IS LIKELY WHY YOU ALWAYS SEE THE DEFENDANT TAKING NOTES. Taking notes implies you are interested, paying attention etc, but it also restricts you eye movements from the witness to your note pad--which keeps you from staring at the wrong thing, changing you expression based on testimony, etc. Sorry for rambling.
Because Grant used to work in an O.R.- I bet that he had hospital shoe coverings and he wore those when he shot his family, as well as hospital scrubs, hat, mask, and coat when he shot. That may be how there was no blood present on his shoes as well as no tread marks on the floor. Obviously he also puled Cody forward while standing at his head. I just can't figure our how he flipped his father over without stepping in blood. But I know he was fully aware of how to protect himself from blood, and how to clean things that had has DNA on it. I would not be surprised if he had stolen special cleaning solution from the hospital. This is based on the fact he had his dad's credit cards photographed in December of 2018. It seems he had this planned for a bit.
ART-CAR-GAL, i don’t think Grant used shoe covers since no footsteps in blood were seen on the floor with light or chemical, so that seems to suggest that he stepped over or around the blood, but without seeing the photos, we wouldn’t know. I had a feeling that Chad might not have died immediately and flipped over by himself, but since that wasn’t discussed and we couldn’t see the crime scene photos I can’t be sure.
When I first viewed Grant's interrogation- BEFORE the trial. I thought he was not guilty, or at minimum- had a blackout where he may not have remembered killing his family. I also almost bought that it was a mob like hit on his family for non repayment of money. After Day 2 of testimony, that changed. Defense did a great job initially of creating reasonable doubt, but as more evidence has been shown and especially the cell phone data- as well as absence of DNA or smudges on Chad (fathers) cell phone- it has become pretty clear who is responsible for the deaths.
Imagine having to listen to this guy tell you what his job is and explain dna science for 30 mins, this is how to numb the jury, by the time he actually gives any testimony they will be well disengaged
For a jury to understand the process it has to be explained to them. If you can not go through 30 min if explanations regarding a certain process you should not be in a jury. They can not pick and choose to what they are paying attention to and what not based on the fact that they think is boring, uninteresting or such
ATTN POLICE DETECTIVE INTERROGATORS- Please get CAMERAS that can show the persons face straight on during interrogation- it will help jury's decide better on person's state of mind. Seeing on overhead shot does not show the facial expressions or eye contact which can serve well.
Lmao. You're probably the type to bitch about too much government involvement in people's lives besides this issue. You're just nosy. That is not cool.
I cannot believe they did not do a metallurgical analysis of the rounds found from the victims, compared with the rounds left in that bag from the friend who had the Jericho firearm stolen.
They probably did not have time as they just found out about the gun in June of 2019, which was close to the trial date. I bet they did do analysis after they were informed, but they are not allowed to use it because of the time allotted for evidence submission when trial date is already set. The defense would have had to agreed to it- and they would NOT have.
@@ARTCARGAL then couldn't the defense also object to the admission of the testimony of the friend based on the same timeframe constraint? I'm sure they could have got it done fairly quickly. Metallurgical analysis is not difficult
Wouldnt it be easy for the Defense to demonstrate there is almost nothing metallurgically unique between different brands of bullets (same saami standards). Particularly with RE manufactured ammo that comes loose in plastic bags.
The analysis is made between 2 spent rounds or 2 rounds that are unspent. There is no relevance in an analysis between a spent one and one that is not spent because the particularities are changing while the round is engaged and fired so the result would be, at best, unconclusive and would only confuse the jury or, at worst, not allowed to be presented as evidence. More than that, every analysis bares costs and it is only allowed if it can have any relevance to the case and can be used as potential evidence ( direct or corcumstancial ) in the trial ( at least from the states side as the money are coming from taxpayers...the defence, if payed by the defendant can do as many tests as they wish as long as the defendant is paying which is not the case here as the defence team is also payed from the tax payers money )
Well, now I know why my youngest sibling and I look alike (dad's side), and the rest of the siblings look alike with completely different characteristics from us (mom's side). It's random.
Why do all the videos of this trial have the sound of either a rather heavy rainfall or a super leaky pipe going on in the background? It's really weird.
For some reason I click anything related to this case as if I will eventually make sense of grants decision to kill his family because they were upset he stole 200,000 to give to a cam girl. Im sure it is more complicated than that but none the less he knew it was wrong and shows more empathy to the cam girl and then other men fascinated with her than his loving family.
Empathy? Grant M has no empathy. He weeps for his self ... his delusional world of grandeur and lies he created came tumbling down around his feet before “cam girl” ... he’ll be met by some beefy “cam boys” I’m sure!
@@robmullin1128 the buttons are for a separation of circulation..the persons in custody have a route the judge has their own route and the public has a route. It is part of the judicial system to have a separation in route for the three types of people necessary for a court case.
Polygonally rifled. And the Jericho is one of the very few guns that have a decent tangent to the case. It logically follows the parties and jury would be interested in eliminating or identifying the Jericho in priority to other models whose apparent relevancy is lesser.
Unbelievable the amount of comments whining and raging about the judge typing. Get some valium for God's sake. Or maybe get tested for ADD or ADHD. It is HER courtroom number 1 and number 2 most of us are not so hyper -sensitive that we can't simply ignore it. I raised 5 children, if I were as overly sensitive as you are those kids would have pushed me right over the edge.
1:19:16 I’m the guy looking at the guy talking . Between the lady with the annoying nails and the auctioneer in the very foreground . I forgot about Edgar Perez . I’m so glad I did . 💀💀
Spoiler if you have not watched previous testimony! RE-Cell phone data.
It showed that Cody had called home and he was on the phone for about 20 minutes. I believe he was talking to Grant. I think Cody had tried to call his parents cell phones, got no answer and then called land line. Cody's best friend testified that he clocked out 15 minutes before he HAD to "leaving money on the table" which his friend said he would normally never have done. He stated he thought it was unusual. He said Cody did not seem alarmed, but he still thought it unusual that Cody to chose to leave early. When he tried the cell phone lines twice at 9:16 and got no answer, and then called land line- I imagine Grant answered and gave some weird reason as to why Cody could not talk to his mom or dad, like perhaps they went to a late dinner which Cody would have thought weird. Thus, he decided to go home early wherein he was shot entering the back door.
I think allowing the jury to ask questions keeps them engaged throughout the trial. I'm impressed by the quality ques being asked
@sharon brown I've been struggling to follow that one prosecutor, Jones I think. He stumbles over his words and takes ages to ask a question.
@sharon brown yeah, Mr Stone. I think the case against Amato is weak
I completely agree. Great questions from the jury. And I wish they allowed this in all trials.
@@Wylielea agreed
"Write 'em down!"
Edgar Perez sure answered all the questions really well and clear.
It’s not as bad in this video, but the judges typing on her computer with her nails is driving me bananas!!!!
Cathy Levinson 100% agree.
I’ve noticed several judges do this during trial. I’d be that one juror who would tell the judge it was distracting, and request she stop or use a silent keyboard.
@@robvasquez79 the jurors dont hear it as well as we do, because our audio is being fed through mics so we can watch the video, one of these mics is right in front of the judge. The jurors are not listening through mics, but are in the room, away from the judge.
Sandra Bullock gotta Sandra Bullock....
When the defense acts so arrogant, I as a juror would notice that and take it for as they are trying to keep their heads above water. I cant believe how rude this defense is
That would be outside the scope of the jury's instructions as to only evidence being used to reach a verdict, wouldn't it?
@@nonmihiseddeo4181 i think people still have bias jury or no and shapiro is quite the douche
@@macsmimi5530 I'm sure you're right, and yes, Shapiro is a douche.
There is no "rude" or "nice". Grow up. This is strategy and warfare, they both have their objectives. No-one cares about niceness and courtesy here.
Milton Waddams wrong. Nice or naughty aren't the precise terms I would use. Pleasant and unpleasant behavior probably more useful. If I come to the conclusion that I do not like the behavior of a person, I can not divorce completely my feelings with my weighing of the evidence no matter how I try. Many published studies support that people make determinations about people by their height, weight, clothes, shoes, teeth and certainly their manner. Right or wrong. That defense lawyer is unpleasant, and it makes me question his integrity, his motives, his intelligence, etc. etc. Lesson here is if you are a defendant (which I have been) you will be coached on how to become more "pleasant " in the eyes of the jury. Looks--Haircut, facial hair, visible tattoos etc., and mannerisms--eye movements, facial expressions , perceived attitude, etc. My lawyers choose my tie, the sent me to a tanning booth place, and chose the glasses I would or would not wear. IT IS LIKELY WHY YOU ALWAYS SEE THE DEFENDANT TAKING NOTES. Taking notes implies you are interested, paying attention etc, but it also restricts you eye movements from the witness to your note pad--which keeps you from staring at the wrong thing, changing you expression based on testimony, etc. Sorry for rambling.
Because Grant used to work in an O.R.- I bet that he had hospital shoe coverings and he wore those when he shot his family, as well as hospital scrubs, hat, mask, and coat when he shot. That may be how there was no blood present on his shoes as well as no tread marks on the floor. Obviously he also puled Cody forward while standing at his head. I just can't figure our how he flipped his father over without stepping in blood. But I know he was fully aware of how to protect himself from blood, and how to clean things that had has DNA on it. I would not be surprised if he had stolen special cleaning solution from the hospital. This is based on the fact he had his dad's credit cards photographed in December of 2018. It seems he had this planned for a bit.
What is really scary is that a-hole was holding people's lives in his hands administering and monitoring people after giving sedation.
ART-CAR-GAL, i don’t think Grant used shoe covers since no footsteps in blood were seen on the floor with light or chemical, so that seems to suggest that he stepped over or around the blood, but without seeing the photos, we wouldn’t know. I had a feeling that Chad might not have died immediately and flipped over by himself, but since that wasn’t discussed and we couldn’t see the crime scene photos I can’t be sure.
It’s possible that there was no blood around his farther at first (only after some time of him lying around).
When I first viewed Grant's interrogation- BEFORE the trial. I thought he was not guilty, or at minimum- had a blackout where he may not have remembered killing his family. I also almost bought that it was a mob like hit on his family for non repayment of money. After Day 2 of testimony, that changed. Defense did a great job initially of creating reasonable doubt, but as more evidence has been shown and especially the cell phone data- as well as absence of DNA or smudges on Chad (fathers) cell phone- it has become pretty clear who is responsible for the deaths.
First time I truly understood all the ins and outs of dna! Amazing explanation for people who dont understand science.
Imagine having to listen to this guy tell you what his job is and explain dna science for 30 mins, this is how to numb the jury, by the time he actually gives any testimony they will be well disengaged
For a jury to understand the process it has to be explained to them. If you can not go through 30 min if explanations regarding a certain process you should not be in a jury. They can not pick and choose to what they are paying attention to and what not based on the fact that they think is boring, uninteresting or such
wow Mr Perez is not only a handsome man but a brillant n intelligent aswell
He's lost me.. I've pretty much remembered everything for gunshot residue, she was brilliant. I have no idea what this man is talking about.
this is boring indeed.
Terrific Richard Ruth and Edgar Perez
ATTN POLICE DETECTIVE INTERROGATORS- Please get CAMERAS that can show the persons face straight on during interrogation- it will help jury's decide better on person's state of mind. Seeing on overhead shot does not show the facial expressions or eye contact which can serve well.
Lmao. You're probably the type to bitch about too much government involvement in people's lives besides this issue. You're just nosy. That is not cool.
Overkill on Perez qualifications
Qualifications mean alot with DNA and murder trial.
I cannot believe they did not do a metallurgical analysis of the rounds found from the victims, compared with the rounds left in that bag from the friend who had the Jericho firearm stolen.
They probably did not have time as they just found out about the gun in June of 2019, which was close to the trial date. I bet they did do analysis after they were informed, but they are not allowed to use it because of the time allotted for evidence submission when trial date is already set. The defense would have had to agreed to it- and they would NOT have.
@@ARTCARGAL then couldn't the defense also object to the admission of the testimony of the friend based on the same timeframe constraint? I'm sure they could have got it done fairly quickly. Metallurgical analysis is not difficult
Wouldnt it be easy for the Defense to demonstrate there is almost nothing metallurgically unique between different brands of bullets (same saami standards). Particularly with RE manufactured ammo that comes loose in plastic bags.
The analysis is made between 2 spent rounds or 2 rounds that are unspent. There is no relevance in an analysis between a spent one and one that is not spent because the particularities are changing while the round is engaged and fired so the result would be, at best, unconclusive and would only confuse the jury or, at worst, not allowed to be presented as evidence. More than that, every analysis bares costs and it is only allowed if it can have any relevance to the case and can be used as potential evidence ( direct or corcumstancial ) in the trial ( at least from the states side as the money are coming from taxpayers...the defence, if payed by the defendant can do as many tests as they wish as long as the defendant is paying which is not the case here as the defence team is also payed from the tax payers money )
Well, now I know why my youngest sibling and I look alike (dad's side), and the rest of the siblings look alike with completely different characteristics from us (mom's side). It's random.
Why do all the videos of this trial have the sound of either a rather heavy rainfall or a super leaky pipe going on in the background? It's really weird.
That’s the judge annoyingly typing away
is there an elevator inside the court room??
Is the judge also the court reporter? Lol. She’s constantly typing
For some reason I click anything related to this case as if I will eventually make sense of grants decision to kill his family because they were upset he stole 200,000 to give to a cam girl. Im sure it is more complicated than that but none the less he knew it was wrong and shows more empathy to the cam girl and then other men fascinated with her than his loving family.
Empathy? Grant M has no empathy. He weeps for his self ... his delusional world of grandeur and lies he created came tumbling down around his feet before “cam girl” ... he’ll be met by some beefy “cam boys” I’m sure!
Judge looks like Sandra Bullock.
Yeah right!
A poor man's Sandra lbh
@@BAFAnubis ouch
Did the ME testify on the wounds that the victims suffered? I missed it and can't find it.
Video Qualitity like a Game Boy
I’m just waiting to hear a ding and watch the witness stand ascend to the 2nd or 3rd floor 😎
It’s gonna happen!!
Jen Kelly 😂🤣😂🤣 I was wondering what those buttons are for as well!
The elevator is for the Judge and assistants to go her chambers
@@robmullin1128 the buttons are for a separation of circulation..the persons in custody have a route the judge has their own route and the public has a route. It is part of the judicial system to have a separation in route for the three types of people necessary for a court case.
They are for a separation of circulation routes. The judge has one the prisoner has one and the public has one.
Amh Sweet
That makes sense. It’s just odd to see elevator buttons in a witness box
Video quality is crap
The DNA guy and the blonde State lady are using the same water gold water bottle
What's up with the camera?
Cameraman is awful, he always goes to evidence screen just as they remove the evidence
did grant plant different bullet cases and collect the ones he use to dispose of?
I find Edgar Perez and Jason Amato great ASMR for sleep
I think Jason is a great witness!
40.27 Is it coffeee time yet lol
Finally I've been waiting for them to ask what other models are "polygamoly?" machined, so many guns but they presume its the jericho
Polygonally rifled. And the Jericho is one of the very few guns that have a decent tangent to the case. It logically follows the parties and jury would be interested in eliminating or identifying the Jericho in priority to other models whose apparent relevancy is lesser.
Why excluded?
1:20:51 lol wtf is this even ? Thanks Judge. 🤦🏼♂️😂
dude this prosecutor combined with this expert witness is the most boring thing I have ever experienced
"low-cuss, low-scye"... please no
(Low sigh)
Unbelievable the amount of comments whining and raging about the judge typing. Get some valium for God's sake. Or maybe get tested for ADD or ADHD. It is HER courtroom number 1 and number 2 most of us are not so hyper -sensitive that we can't simply ignore it. I raised 5 children, if I were as overly sensitive as you are those kids would have pushed me right over the edge.
The sound of her nails typing have actually grown on me, it's relaxing
Edgar Perez is so fugging mind-numbingly boring, even the camera is trying to fall asleep.
1:19:16 I’m the guy looking at the guy talking . Between the lady with the annoying nails and the auctioneer in the very foreground . I forgot about Edgar Perez . I’m so glad I did . 💀💀
Edgar is a beautiful name.
This Perez-guy is pretty arrogant I think.
That judge seems so miserable, maybe hire a court reporter and you dont have to work as hard