Lessons from Lucy Laney: African American Vernacular English (AAVE)
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- Опубликовано: 14 мар 2018
- Educators at Lucy Laney Elementary honor the home dialect of students at a school where 90 percent of kids are African American. African American Vernacular English, or AAVE, refers to the distinctive dialect historically spoken by African Americans, a style formerly known as Ebonics.
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Who ever that Principal is. God sent her and she’s doing his work.
@420 rgb HAOLE
I know. As a stunch white supremacists I love to see yall are finally listening to us. We've been saying for decades that black ppl are incapable of learning English. Glad we're finally putting that into practice on schools.
Jokes aside yall seriously decided its ok to handicap a entire generation of children based on race
So ridiculous how hypocritical people can be in the US. We see, hear, and use AAVE constantly every single day and yet somehow still can't recognize that it's not only a real English dialect, but also one of the most common ones in the country (with only general american English being the other possibility).
I was sitting here on RUclips looking for fun English dialect videos to see how foreign language learners would respond to this dialect, and I couldn't even find any videos on US dialects that included it as one of the options. That's insane. Why recognize "dialects" like Southern, New York, Minnesota, or even "Valley Girl" (lmfao), but not recognize AAVE? It's only causing problems for everyone to ignore such an important part of the US's culture.
The dialect isn't at all ignorant but ignoring it sure as hell is.
Pichuscute aave is being illiterate.
where is it not recognized though? everyone learns to "speak properly" at school anyway, in other languages too
@@UrielAvalosjr Illiterate? Are you going to say the same on a Texan white guy? Aave sounds southern.
Black English é un DIALETTO
It's a home or informal dialect, spoken on the streets. It's derived from people who were illiterate and completely uneducated. Why would we want to reinforce that in school? That's just silly. All of this because we're constantly concerned with how people feel. We don't want the black kids to feel bad by learning actual proper English etiquette, we just want to pander and virtue signal so we can raise adults who don't know how to sound professional or educated.
And they just called me ghetto when I be talking 😂
African Americans: Fuse their native Afro-Asiatic languages,which have different grammatical rules and phonetic forms such as end consonant clusters and plosives, with a new language that they have encountered, as all developments in any language in all of history happened: This is our dialect with new rules, loan words, and grammar structures, that also has cultural ties to slavery and apartheid. White people™️: iT’s WrOnG aNd BaD! Anyway can I use it???
If anyone actually is interested in this dialect and wants to learn the fascinating merging of (generally West) African languages and grammar with Standard American English, I’d suggest giving the wikipedia page a look - it’s got some fantastic explanations of all of the rules and differences, as well as how AAVE has influenced English, and the accent that comes with it.
It is ghetto, the language derived from not being educated.
Jesse Jr No???
@ImprovedWikiImprovment 🤦♀️ thanks for trying but, you're responding to a prejudice troll. And your wrong, the "be" in this sentence is a cringy closet racist additive. All black people can tell when hearing this type of ignorance. The phrase is actually "when um talkin'". I get what your saying but the grammatical set up is wrong by AAVE standards.
Nicely done--and I'm not just saying that because I'm interviewed in the clip.
BenjaminMunsonMN you’re cute!
Modesty aside . Hahaha .
please be very clear AAVE and 'Slang' are in no ways the same thing. People try to conflate these two things but they are not in any way equatable.
Not at all. Every language has slang
what's the difference between AAVE and slang and how do you determine which is which?
@@faithnigeria We use slang when speaking informally in semi-private communications. A dialect, linguistically, is a geographically or ethnically restricted form of a language characterized by a combination of distinctive sounds, system rules, vocabulary, and word patterns (grammar). So, one might use slang to semi-intentionally limit comprehension to just a group of folks who understand the vocabulary used, where dialect belongs to a wider group.
@@fleeb so a dialect can be a slang if the community is small? like french tourists in the america?
@@faithnigeria The vocabulary used could be slang if, say, French tourists in America know a common set of terms that other French speakers do not know, while the accent or grammar used is not slang.
Mr Davis was my 5 grade teacher
Jerome O'Neal Sr thx for ur comment....JEROME
5th*
He seems so nice
Cool!
I still think it's weird they don't show a lot of AAVE in this video though. It's hard to make any judgements on whether it's intelligible or not based on just two words, ax and finna. It's like telling people about "wee" and "am'nt" and then immediately asking them how they feel about Scottish English right afterwards.
i agree. the examples they have chosen seem cherry-picked into giving the viewers a bad impression of aave, but it is almost completely intelligible to gae (general american english) speakers.
I want learn pronounciation African American can anyone Teach me for real🙏
The african american teacher pretty much spoke aave for the interview. It's just a dialect of english. And it's not a completely seperate thing. It's on a dialect continuum with standard american english. Most african americans speak a mix of the two. And some white people speak aave.
@@niclas3672 straight bro
@@niclas3672 i think we misunderstand, there is black English/aave (English with AA phonetics , and then their is Ebonics which is not English at all, most Black folk use both interchangeably, some even use SAE.
If you want to be understood by others, especially foreigners, standard English is necessary. There's no need for a value judgement or charging the discussion with leftist politics, as the guy in the interview did. AAVE is a beautiful dialect. LOTS of languages have beautiful dialects and their speakers of those dialects have to adjust in order to be understood by the wider world. So you're not doing justice to children if you don't teach them to speak in a language that is widely understood - e.g. standard North American English.
Speakers of Swiss German are not ashamed of their dialect, they're proud of it. But they realise that almost nobody outside of German-speaking Switzerland understands it. And that's why they're taught standard German in school. The same goes for Belgians dialects of Dutch as well as MANY other iterations of many other languages. So appreciate and be proud of AAVE and teach the kids to communicate in standard English at the same. In a globalised workforce, they will need standard English to communicate with non-native English speakers who don't understand it.
I think you misunderstood. There's nothing in this video that's denying the importance of standard English. There's even a segment that points out that the students still have to write in standard English. This is entirely about making sure that children know that they aren't immediately *less* for speaking their dialect. The issue never has been and never will be that "standard English must go!". Rather, it's that AAVE has a right to co-existence and that the people who speak it should not be seen as ignorant.
Imagine going in for a job interview for something that has absolutely *nothing* to do with how you speak and being turned away because you say "aks" instead of "ask", despite being fully qualified for the position. Simplified example, but it should do to establish the point. People that speak AAVE aren't Boomhauer, the vocabulary is largely the same as standard English with a few obvious differences. I'd wager that a vast majority of the time, people having trouble with understanding an AAVE speaker are actually having trouble understanding a heavily ACCENTED AAVE speaker and that's something that exists as a challenge even between two speakers of standard English from different regions.
@@BL-xv8mf Pronunciation is a constituent part of a dialect, by definition.
The extent to which one's language is comprehensible to another person is determined by the other person, not by the speaker.
@@whoahdudeman This isn't a video about adults in a professional workspace. It's also not a video stating that the children are being barred from learning standard English. It's a video highlighting an effort to make sure that a group of young humans are comfortable in an environment that they are expected to be in for roughly half the days of the calendar year (under normal circumstances).
The majority of their daily interactions are going to be with their peers. Not your hypothesized foreigners.
Trust and believe.. there's no way of getting around learning standard English. Those students will be alright. I know both, which is a surprise to me that there's a name for how I speak with my close friends and family.
Come on why would someone switch to be understood better by foreigners. Just learn to understand AAVE since you in America like you would anywhere else
Ok so I can turn the AAVE on and off “code switch” but some of us can’t. I grew up where my family encouraged proper English, but the dialect practiced is a function of how much someone wants to communicate with people in their circle.
i love this. as someone who is black and grew up around a lot of upper middle class white ppl i have always had an issue with the idea of measuring intelligence, especially when it comes to standardized testing in schools. it’s so important that we recognize the cycle suppresses those with less access because it stems from a history where a lot of minorités never had that education in the first place. accept everyone as they come ❤️
it's nothing about those things. US is a work-oriented society where the vast majority of people exist as labor until they can't work. firms want people who behave and perform according to need. make yourself marketable to a firm or start your own business. the moment you open your mouth and sound ghetto you are harming your job prospects. life sucks, doesn't it?
in fact most only complete k-12 to qualify as labor. firms need workers who can read and write at a certain level. the reason so many women in the world aren't educated is because they aren't expected to work, and it's a waste of resources to educate someone who will never work and only stay at home.
if you're a black person who speaks, acts and dresses like a stereotypical 4 year college grad white professional you will only face minor racism (yes there is some), but you'll generally do well in the US and should achieve your goals. i'm not saying there aren't injustices that need fixing, there are plenty, but there's also a lot an individual can do to change. i had a relative who had a horrible accent and felt he wouldn't be taken seriously after graduating college. he paid for private speech therapist lessons to get rid of his accent, and it worked 100%, you can't tell he ever had an accent. he told me after a few private lessons it was just practice, and in 6 months he spoke like every other mainstream professional in the US. having a different vocabulary is a different issue, but the accent is actually not that hard to change. actors go to the same speech coaching for roles. it's really not that hard to talk another way, but you need to dedicate a little time and effort.
i realize psychology damage and insecurities are very hard to change. the sense of inferiority and self-doubt is paralyzing. those are more difficult solutions.
UNLESS YOU’RE TRYING TO HELP THEM!
I love speaking English so much. AAVE is the reason i understand a bit more English than before.
This was so informative and helpful, thank you.
Its actually not slang, slang has inaccuracies in grammar while aave does not, in fact it has an entire different case that general english does not. Its grammar and orthography is consistent.
thank you.
* are consistent
No, Max. It is not consistent. It is a blatant disregard for what blacks view as a part of "white-culture". Blacks seem to think that conforming to this is selling out. They many times also seem to think that working a regular job is selling out. It is an ugly cultural evolution that is laughable and ridiculous. Encouraging this will get them no where. Shame on this school for bending to this.
Matt Dowling Nothing but lies you speak. This is a natural way people grow up speaking, it has nothing to do with selling out or not, and by speaking it does not constitute failure. Every single claim you made in this post was just ignorant and it exposes you’re whole backwards mentality.
Is AAVE standardized enough amongst different African-American groups to be considered one dialect? I would imagine a black person from Florida speaks a lot differently than a black person from South Carolina? I also realize that not every black person necessarily grew up speaking AAVE.
If anyone is interested in this dialect and wants to learn the fascinating merging of (generally West) African languages and grammar with Standard American English, I’d suggest giving the wikipedia page a look - it’s got some fantastic explanations of all of the rules and differences, as well as how AAVE has influenced Standard American English, and the accent that comes with it.
We are on the same page
3:44 - 4:20 is so savage and REAL. LOVE IT.
I see this video was from 2 years ago I am currently in 5th grade in lucy laney and I just saw one of the teachers from 2 years later
wonderful work and story
Well done story, guys. It's like you're real journalists or something.
Even UK accent mixed irish, scottland, and local accents
I feel like this is becoming more normal in lower income communities no matter what race and I can vouch for that. It used to be something frowned upon but igz times are changing. But I feel wrong for categorizing a way of speaking to one race when I’m Mexican and I got white, and Asian friends who I grew up talking like this with. Idk correct me if I’m wrong but I call this ghetto slang cause I got it from the ghetto. I got black cousins who don’t talk like this and don’t have a code switch neither because their from the burbs. That’s my reason for my thinking lmk what y’all think
you must not be from the south because it’s people from suburbs and the the hood who talk like this, and blacks from the country talk the same way.
Learn proper english kid, people will secretly always think you’re lowclass if you don’t
I always thought “finna” was a typo, like- the keyboard rn i’m using (QWRTY), letter f is next to the g, then letter then letter i is next to letter o, i always thought “finna” was a typo of “gonna”
imo this is the best accent
Ebonics is our language✊🏾 Proud African American🍫
@brell 2-1-5 *mine
@brell 2-1-5 if you're going to denounce a dialect at least make sure the dialect you DO claim is spoken correctly.
hey,,,,,,,love from india...... i love aave ....i love Ebonics...... that accent is so cool....dope.... i am so desperate to learn Ebonics , but there is no way ..i can accomplish.....and end up learning that...... someone please help me.....
Larry Larry period! Lmao
I love you people.
From Nairobi Kenya 🇰🇪
One love.
As a foreigner I find more beautiful AAVE than SE
Love from 🇲🇽♥️
Even some old dialects of British and American English used to pronounce 'ask' as 'aks'. From a Farmville Herald article: "It derives from the Middle English form 'acsion' and was in fact used by Chaucer and later Queen Elizabeth I. Eventually speakers of the standard variety of English chose the variation 'ask' over 'aks' and 'aks' was retained only in more rural and more isolated dialects of English."
Yep and it was a very common way to know whether someone was educated or not. Now even though ur children are spending the time to get educated they come out sounding lile they are uneducated. Ur allowing them to make ur kid sound stupid on purpose.
4:17 one side of his beard longer than the other 😂😂
Every language has its so called literature form. Which is considerd the most elegant form of that particular language and There are dialects that are regional or belong to some ethnic or national minority that uses that language. The literature for of a particular language is the „official” form of a particular language. Funny enough the literature english is probably Brittish English and thus everything ealse is a „dialect” of english. Not sure if i understood it correctly AAVE is a dialect of the southern dialect which in itself is a dialect of american english which is a dialect of Literature English. Ironically the most understandable english dialect for foreighners is Swedish English. Does anyone know are there some remnance of French in New Orleans English?
"I feel you" Mr Davis.
She is a nice European woman. Big up the people trying to acknowledge and help and tell the truth. Big up those blk and white people working together in peace
Salute to Mr. Davis
In Malaysia, almost every state has their own slang. But everyone learns the same language. Only in formal settings, everyone uses the stereotypical "formal" Malay dialect.
AAVE isnt just slang its a dialect and always considered informal we dont just drop the slang or pronounce every syllable we're forced to make sure our pronunciation and style of speech matches white people's, we put on our "white" voice. We know the proper language we learn it growing up but asked being pronounced aks isnt much different from Boston pronouncing car ca but it's cute when they do it and ghetto when we do it.
@Leona Jezek Don't listen to her. She just wants to be a victim. Literally no one is criticizing black people for how they speak these days. You're far more likely to see white people try and imitate this kind of speech, than you are to see anyone talk badly about it.
I think what you mean is not speech but colloquial aka "informal" dialect
Danger Russ “Trying to imitate it” is also a problem.
That's not the issue here...the issue is this school wants to replace Standard English, or White English as they put it, with Local A.A Vernacular which will lead to problems for these kids later on in their lives. I would like to see that Teacher explain "Quantum Mechanics" in Vernacular. No one laughs at blacks for speaking A.A.V.E to one another. People only look confused when they try to force others to understand they dialect
I didn't know Eddie Redmayne worked in the news industry. TIL
i love you guys i love teachers. you make me cry with joy. i hope soon a bill is passed that guarantees teachers’ a living wage because god dammit. we love you guys SO MUCH. thank you for never giving up on our youth, i’ll never give up on you.
With pleasure...
That was beautiful and powerful.
Loved this, thank you
for we could
For people outside of the US we know three dialects, Standart American, Southern American and Black American
I agree with what this video says and know that not all variations of English need the sam3le considerations based on how different they are from standard American English. Having had said that, how does this differentiate from othe5 variations of Standard English, such as the English spoken by Whites in New Orleans or Appalanche communities?
I rather like it. You should hear how we Indians sometimes speak English and survive a heart attack. Many habitually say aks for ask and that's just the beginning. You also have riks, diks and many other unique regional accents. For example, the Gujaratis from west India may say "snakes in the hole" when they actually mean snacks in the hall. And finally, we code switch between our vernaculars and English at the drop of the proverbial hat, not to mention conflating vernacular grammar with English every so often
I work with a Gujju who code switches every sentence. Love it.
My mom is Nicole Plowman
To learn more than one language when you're immersed is best. English already has English, British English, American English, Canadian English, Old English, New English, Common English... AAVE is an acronym that's becoming a word. Language evolves over time. Colloquialism has always been around. But if we want to be able to understand the past and be understood in the future it's important to know a language that spans more than a few decades. But if you want to be understood now then current Engrish is da bomb.
Finna do something isn't really that different than fixinta do something. And as someone who's around white southern people all the time, fixinta is a pretty commonly used word. The judgement for using different dialect or "slang" is just based on who you like and dislike. It's shameful that we're still like this. Well, at least some of us.
Fixinta is for people who think they are saying “Finna” 🤣
Shut up
the correct version of saying "finna" isn't "about to," it's "fixing to." If he said "I'm fixing to go do this" that would just be a southern way of speaking.
Ya aave is a lot more similar to the southern accent so it’s not as different compared to the north. I mean I’m white but I slip into aave depending on who I’m talking to
finna is just as correct as any other versions you mention
Some black guy in an east coat city: We waz kangz and shieeeet.
KARE 11 and some principal: OMG, this is a rich linguistic expression, we should recognise this as a distinctive dialect!
If you're speaking to the nation, as a professional tv or radio network broadcaster, then you can't use your native dialect, you must speak in the Nation's standard dialect, pronouncing d's as d's and t's as t's, etc.
If a nation cannot have an agreed upon standard way to speak, then people will be trapped into their little geographic area. A person that --only-- speaks "Cajun" will not be able to be hired elsewhere in the country, or not likely for a public office. We have to agree on a National Standard, that's all.
ok people, i have a question. So does the word "finna" have African roots or is it just a shortened word for something else. I have no clue lol.
@@Jykesonville read that somewhere online but thanks anyway ig.
Someone should make a sketch about them hiring a white teacher and having them talk AAVE as to not alienate the black kids, but only talk like that when they are talking to the black kids.
CJ
great insight in a well-done segment 👍🏻 linguistics is so fascinating...bidialectalism is legit and AAVE is one of the most common dialects in our country
AAVE started with lower class poor people in England that moved to the south which is now the United States, black people learned AAVE from poor white Southerns that came from England. How come she doesn't talk about this fact in this video?
I wish this video has subtitles for non-english speakers for better understanding ☺
Top tier journalism
I just met a cousin from NYC and I have no clue what is he saying. We both are supposed to speak English
There are US communities that speak dialects out of the mainstream other than just black communities. Anyone who does not grow up learning the base language that is used in the mainstream must learn how to speak and read mainstream English in order to communicate to the largest group of people from all cultural and economic backgrounds. It is more difficult the further one's community dialect is from that baseline. That is why it is important to learn English as one is growing up. People from some areas of Texas or the deep south have to learn the base English language as best they can. I remember having such a fun time trying to figure out what a friend from Texas was saying with some of their colorful phrases which I had never heard. We should help everyone, and we should find it interesting to listen to dialects from across America. It can be very difficult to understand the dialect of certain black cultures. In order to communicate, however, we must learn to understand each other while understanding we will all benefit from one shared base language. I listen to certain Scottish dialects and I often have to translate to know what they are saying. They say Ah dinnae ken.” Which means I don't know. Ya ken? You know? If I go to Scotland, I learn their base language and graciously try to speak their language and to understand their dialects. It would be the same going into anyone's home or culture. I would learn to understand them while retaining my own language.
white dialect? whites have different dialects depending on the region, she means proper or professional english
No, she means standard American english which happens to be the preferred dialect when in a professional setting so that everyone can understand.
@@beyonceschild in other words, professional english
@@Alianger SAE isn't synonymous with professional english. There's so such thing as "professional english". It's just a widely used dialect of English.
Need a blk male teachers like him more in america
I think AAVE sounds beautiful. That’s why I searched this up. I wish I could speak that. P.s. I’m not a native speaker
@@drywoody yes I’ve been trying to shadow them for a while. Still suck big time but I’ll get there I believe lol
It would serve the children well to learn basic American English for their future. They will adapt better to new regions and countries and when it's time for them to join the competitive work force rather it's business or fast food. Communication should be national. Just like in all the other country's where they learn English; they usually learn British English yet we ate able to communicate. Should be the same here in America. We all need to learn proper American English for communication purposes. I applaud the teachers efforts to reach the children at their level. However we all need to cultivate ourselves and evolve.
Is that a leprechaun with a blue suit? I thought they wore green.
AAVE needs to be taught just as standard English is, so their peers grow up learning to to view AAVE as incorrect English but rather as another dialect. I don’t hear Scottish people talking in random words I’ve never heard with a wildly different sentence structure and assume it’s incorrect. I assume they just speak differently and that’s that. But because of the way English is taught in the states, I’m conditioned to hear AAVE, or similar dialects, and think it’s improper grammar and have to suppress my desire to correct it.
I really enjoyed this video, I think more people should adapt the principles in place at that school.
Facts
hey,,,,,,,love from india...... i love aave ....i love Ebonics...... that accent is so cool....dope.... i am so desperate to learn Ebonics , but there is no way ..i can accomplish.....and end up learning that...... someone please help me.....
lmao it should not be taught in public schools. If you're that desperate to learn it, take a paid course if you can find one. It's an informal dialect, and just like we don't learn Scottish English dialects in school, we're not going to learn about ebonics. Also, foreigners and black people aren't the only ones with dialects, I'm not sure why we're pandering to select groups of people... oh wait I DO actually know why I just think it's ridiculous.
I dunno if I'd want to teach AAVE any more than I'd want to teach any of the dialects from the South in the US (and, boy howdy, are there some doozies out here). I would prefer to learn, in a public school, skills that may most likely assist me in gaining an income. I would, however, teach tolerance for other dialects, as I do view that as useful for a successful life; if you view someone as less intelligent based on their language, without listening to what the person says, you miss a completely different perspective that might help you get past a problem.
No
Every country has dialectic spins on their language. Italy has regional dialects (Abruzzese, Siciliano), Canada has Irish-ified Newfoundland English. Novia Scotia too has a black dialect and Toronto. Why does America have to make it a big deal?
There is actual English and there are dialects. Only actual English matters. Far too many blacks don't want to learn actual English and pronounce it properly. A lot of the problem starts with parents who won't speak it either.
Any linguistic will tell you that there is no such as thing proper English
@@Thatbul anyone who's not a big lipped fool will know u sound like a btch
First AAVE must be standardized, meaning we must create one standard way of speaking.
After doing that it should be taught is an informal way of speaking the English language. This way speakers speakers can fully grasp the morphology/pathology of it
13579hee illiteracy
It could be a good thing if it’s organized
A group of people that keep removing themselves from cultural norms should not complain about feeling outcast since they are actively doing it themselves.
Stop typing. Black people shouldn't have to assimilate to cultural norms, no one should.
There are over 30 different dialects spoken in this country. Black people aren’t trying to be different from any norms we just have our own variation of English as do other groups of American’s. Your failure to understand that speaks volumes about yourself
@@zoeywhite4129 blind
AAVE is being integrated into the North American English language, and as time progresses, human languages evolve.
In this case it is a devolution rather than an evolution.
@@Humulus_Lupulus you can say the same for American English. I’m pretty sure if you go to England they’ll think your English is bastardize and just wrong.
I be done listened to dis video. aks me about it
did you like it?
What??? You didn't even say it right ya big dummy
It's "been done" not "be done".
bearnurse1 it’s been a year but *axe
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I can't believe what I just watched. I thought it was an SNL skit. AAVE started in rural England by poor white Europeans.
I’d like him to teach me a lil sumn
Why does one of the hosts look like some rebellious teenager who only listens to the cure bro wtf😂😂😂
Is chinglish with chinaccent a English vernacular? ???
I know right, broken English is broken English at the end of the day
No, set the facts straight (and history), black people been here over centuries helping building up this very country you stand on, this country you claim to belong to white people, because in your narrative only white Americans are real Americans.
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Why is it “white American” I’m Chinese and speak standard English and I know many black Americans who grew up speaking standard English.
It has nothing to do with speaking standard language. Chinese people like white acceptance so no point of arguing with you.
@@Thatbul "shieet das rite!"
Cultural divisions in America are bad enough as it is. Encouraging distinct dialects will perpetuate social and cultural divisions that are keeping people down and preventing this country from healing from its past. Language is culture and we need to come together into a new unified American culture rather than staying frozen in a segregated past.
I agree, there's no such thing as separate and equal. We can't do anything about the differences we are born with, but we should take steps to minimize the differences born from education and culture.
I disagree. Bilinguism and poliglotism is a positive phenomenon that increases cognitive abilities in all children. It is a widespread phenomenon in Europe where children and adults often speak three or more native languages. America should embrace its linguistic diversity. Furthermore, dismissing a widespread variety of language equates to neutralizing or diminishing the identity of millions of Americans. That does not compute.
Accepting your premise for arguments sake, who has to change their language? African Americans? Or the majority white population? Forcing a language change is forcing a culture change, but I think people making your proposal should volunteer to change their culture. It's easy to say people should change their culture if the assumption is its someone else.
There are already multiple dialect or forms of English being spoken in the United States of America. It's almost as if you have no clue that white people in the Appalachians or the Everglades or the Bayou speak different dialect forms of English other than General American English LOL
And the understanding of General American English is pretty widespread so most black people can already comprehend it since they're surrounded by it every day. The school books we read from elementary school one word or written in GAE, newspaper, magazines, etc. You see it on television in films and hear it on the radio. We know GAE...........its just most Whites (and nonBlack People of Color) don't know AAVE and many tend to criticize AAVE speakers
Wait til you hear about europe
mother tounge should be used in basic education... chinese, japanese and koreans do it... and we filipinos do it in english.... and we are behind.... esp. math
There is nothing wrong with VERNACULAR. But this is reinforcing and embedding errors. plain and simple.
That's what I was thinking. You may say it's entirely different, and legitimate, but then you're disregarding the fact the vast majority of what constitutes AAVE is erroneous and (I dare say) simplified English, which honestly may come to shoot you in the foot later on when GAE is needeed. I'm all for teaching kids that speaking AAVE isn't wrong, but you have to stress the fact that GAE is what's going to be useful in any academic contest beyond elementary and early high school. You can't force the majority to learn AAVE either. It's not going to work.
It's basically people screaming "I'm so wrong that I'm right"
Rustle. I’m going to assume you’re not black so of course you have something negative to say. Just because some of us use AAVE DOESNT mean we don’t know or understand GAE. AAVE isn’t something that’s directly taught to us, its picked up naturally. There are a vast majority of black people that use AAVE and are well educated and successful. So its not about the way you talk, its about knowing the importance of what you’re talking about.
Rustle. Most of us African Americans are more than capable of speaking more Formal English fluently and understand it beautifully. But! We have own version and we love it! We love to talk like we do and dats on period!!! 🤪
can non-black people speak AAVE?
Chris Rock can say the 'n' word but not me
It’s called talking properly tf
You can validate kids talk about the beauty of aave etc thats fine but when it comes to the SAT GRE etc if you dont know standard professional English you will fail
There's no such thing as "Professional English" 😂😂😂😂
And given the meaning of the word professional with its root word being profession, and unemployed High School to student taking in SAT test wouldn't be using "professional English" either as they are not practicing a vocation or members of a profession LOL.
It's almost as if you are stupid and just don't know it LOL
Black Children are taught in General American English (I think that's what you meant when you said "professional English"😂😂😂) from kindergarten to 12th grade. They read from school books that are written in the dialect, they watch television shows and movies that use the dialect.
African Americans understand GAE. Or I guess as you would say they understand "professional English" LOL
why is there a 12 year old boy as the presenter
hey,,,,,,,love from india...... i love aave ....i love Ebonics...... that accent is so cool....dope.... i am so desperate to learn Ebonics , but there is no way ..i can accomplish.....and end up learning that...... someone please help me.....
Found out today at work that "I don't like your attitude" is AAVE for "I think you're racist"
that's not how AAVE works buddy.
@@london9916 alright Larry
@@maxonmendel5757 Just thought you should know.
Instead of calling it 'AAVE', Mr. T had it right back in the 80's when he called it, 'Jibber Jabber'. i'll even let him call it, 'Jibba Jabba'. hehe. But that is as far as I will go in give ebonics any leeway whatsoever. If you want to sound like a babbling illiterate buffoon, go right ahead. But do not expect me to hire you or even take you serious. To speak 'AAVE' is essentially to declare to the entire world that you are willingly ignorant.
@@michaelr.4878 "but that is as far as I will go in give ebonics any leeway whatsoever." LMAOO. as if your opinion or validation means anything to anybody 😂. You have GOT to get over yourself .
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I hate the word "axe" but it use of "axe" as "ask" is European.
Who cares. You are a loser at best.
Mexican sheers=chairs Japanese Cwok=clock...
IF you really want to help these poor kids, teach them proper English so they will be taken seriously as adults. This will help them get into good colleges and good jobs.
@Ronald Seawell If you want to survive in America, you need to speak English, so as to be understood by regular people. Nigrish has gone so far away from standard English as to render the speaker incomprehensible.
@Ronald Seawell There's nothing racist about telling people to speak English properly. If you want to be a productive member of society, learn it. If you're too lazy to pay attention in English class, then don't complain about poverty. It's just one of the many bad choices people make in their lives, only to turn around and complain that they are "poor" and "oppressed". Maybe people should take responsibility for their own lives. Maybe they adapt to the society they live in, and if they don't like it, find a new society.
Here are some things people do
-Goof off in school
-Take drugs
-Have kids they cant afford
-buy things they cant afford, on credit
Then complain. Eh. Society doesn't adapt to you, you adapt to society. If you don't you get left behind. Is it fair? No. But it won't change
nobody speaks proper English, that's for show. the only time its used is for campaigning in a political setting, something like the primary for example, but even then its not even convenient to use "Proper English" because they need to appeal to a wider audience. no one even uses proper English. I think its funny for you to say that. and also lets think about context. if someone here's you speaking your "Proper" American English in England, They are going to think you are stupid and uneducated because of your dialect of English. and any way, can you define Proper English for me?
But it is proper english you just was never taught this you didn't live in this community CULTURE
"Proper english" and trying to sound white are too different things.
Ebonics & AAVE is just southern white slang y'all, it's documented in writing historically and a point of ridicule from northerners before the civil war
So basically this person is misinformed and just assumed it was some special dialect when really it's just leaving the language from other immigrants Irish, French, and southern whites
But some slang origins have documented origins in West England iirc such as the word Ax for Ask...
So it may in fact be cultural appropriation by modern Americans 😂
... ooh And box braids first Egyptian, cornrows sub-Saharan , dreads from the Vikings it seems 🤷. So if you ain't born in one of those countries you ain't finna be wearing it
i don’t even hear a difference tbh. all sounds normal
As a black elementary school teacher I hate the fact that people consider AAVE language, all it is is broken slave English. Labeling this language has just given children excuse to speak poor English, which extends to having poor reading and writing skills as well. We need to stop making excuses for Black people to be subpar.
A black elementary teacher named bob 😂 stop lying
@@Thatbul Your close mind and desire to make everything a joke will keep you poor like most Black people are destined to be. Me and my bloodline are too focused on what matters to give af about how our names sound
@@tigerslick1111 again stop lying for social media. Your not black, and if you are stop tap dancing.
How can 'English' be challenging when he's been taught only one type of English in school? Kids that have English ads a second language at home STILL have to learn English. Standard English?
Why can an Asian child speak proper Standard English while starting with a different language; but these African American children can speak a variation of English even if English is their mother tongue.
Why?
Re-train teachers? How about demand more from their English instructors and keep them to the same standards as EVERYONE else.
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America needs to teach American English. What do we want to do? Pick between Spanish, French or AAVE in school?
That's not the point. I think most people agree that American Schools should teach Standard American English. However, just as there are differences between various accents in the UK even within Scottish and English; there are likewise different accents and dialects within American English. The point is to acknowledge that many Black Americans do have an accent that is distinct from many White Americans, instead of stigmatizing the dialect as being simply "wrong" which is what used to happen in the past. Just as a Boston Accent isn't "wrong", neither is AAVE; its just different and people should understand that it's okay. I am a Black American and I do not even use slang, I speak Proper English and it is generally more academically accurately than the way most American citizens speak. However, there are certain words which reveal my AAVE accent, such as the word "asked", which tends to sound like "axe" when I try to pronounce it even when I'm attempting to say it the academic way. This is not because I am intentionally speaking the word differently, it is simply the natural result of having a different accent which goes beyond education. I think it's important for Teachers to recognize that there is a difference between having an accent and using bad English, because they are not the same thing.
Different dialect or vernacular valore; I don't think we are talking about an accent in this case.
@@dylanwelch2269 Semantics: I already referred to it as a dialect in my comment multiple times. The word choice doesn't change the point that I'm making, so your reply about accents is irrelevant. You could call it rhetoric for all I care...the point is still sound; which is that people naturally speak differently depending on regional, cultural, and racial backgrounds.
You referred to black Americans as having an accent which is incorrect when talking about the AAVE. Semantics do matter in the linguistic world as there is a big difference between an accent and a dialect; the latter having a different syntax and grammatical patterns.
@@dylanwelch2269 As I already stated in my last comment-- I referred to the verbiage as AAVE; a dialect; and an accent. Just because you are cherry picking one word while turning a blind eye to the other terminologies that I have used, doesn't mean that I have not already identified the syntax as a dialect. You are simply ignoring facts in order to be confrontational and behave like a troll. Once again, you are arguing semantics and you're doing so for something that has already been addressed in my original comment.
I disagree with your precepts that language identifies Who We Are. You're speaking of group-identity issues which is inferior in every way to an individual identity. For someone to stubbornly cling to slang like Ebonics is to show how much of a conformist they are. Have you ever noticed that people that are real concerned about trying to be different are actually all the same? Think of Gothic folks, gangsters and other folks that have no respect for their individuality. They have very little diversity within their groups - they dress the same, talk the same, and have the same opinions on just about everything. In most cases their group exists solely for the purpose of being in resistance to wholesome human behaviors. Compare these types of social misfits to those that show their identity by excelling in their particular field of interest in a way that benefits society. I would rather show my individual identity by excelling in my roles as a husband, father, child, professional, and Community member than by using slang. My identity is much more than the way I talk. When I write lab reports, English papers, or talk to Professionals in my field of endeavor slang is wholly inappropriate. If I were to use slang in the home I would be doing a disservice to my children. The Bible speaks of wicked people that allowed language differences to develop amongst them. It served to divide them.
Hoo kan tauth me to speak blakie ?
Seriously?
Yeah! Why?
Yo! dahs was a extraordahnarahly uplahftahng a' progressahve cahnematahc presentatahon. I be WOKE!
Your improper and grotesque use of the habitual Be is nauseating.
Your outdated use of the slang term "yo" definitely garnered an eyeroll and I find it funny when people like you insinuate that African-Americans are the only individuals with an accent (seeing how your spelling was used to insinuate accent)
Are you a White? 😂😂😂😂
And here ladies and gentlemen we have 2 people on each side of the spectrum trying to convince the other one that they're stupid
@@undercovershitposter6519 I came with actual reasons to support my belief. He didn't
Lol lol thats aave lol. Great job delquannnnn.
@@domibryant2257 are you a NonBlack??? 🤔🤔
damn kids gotta lurn english now?
fuq
I’m African but I really wanna learn how to speak aave 😩(not to speak like that al, the time though 💀)
No thank you...teach my kid proper english.
Speak German or italian , 😂 Brudduh