Smart 12-year-old pitcher picks off runner at 3rd base
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Picking runners off at 3rd isn't very common for pitchers in baseball, but there are situations where a runner on 3rd base is susceptible to getting picked off. One of those times is when a sacrifice bunt or safety squeeze is attempted by the offense.
If the defense thinks there might be a bunt play on, one way to find out is to pick over to a base and see if the batter shows bunt. If it's a safety squeeze then the runner at 3rd will be trying to get a quicker jump. That's when a pitcher should pick over. The pitcher has two beneficial outcomes.
Runners ought to be aware of this tactic by the defense and be expecting a possible pick.
Impressive they were able to keep it going. Often times in that age group they throw it away.
Keep them coming coach ! Nice job.
3rd base coach for the Blue team needs a little toutering on base runners leads and leaves...lol
When I played in college, my favorite pick off move for third was to go from the windup and step off with the opposite foot when I knew the runner was taking a secondary lead on first movement. Worked every time.
Great points made - great job by pitcher.
Hey @MJH-Baseball, a catcher on one of my previous teams picked off a runner at 3rd!
I'm sure this has been addressed in other videos, but why are runners allowed to take leads in this league?
This is a travel ball league and not a recreational league. Most travel ball leagues start having lead offs around 10 years old (10U). At 11 and up they all do.
That's what I was wondering he said 13 and under?
Our 10u kids lead off and steal and it’s regular little league.
I remember being allowed to steal (after the ball crossed homeplate) but not leading.
Nice video & explanation. Thank you for sharing! 😄
Another good move by the catcher was after the rundown started. After the catcher takes the throw from the 3rd baseman, he leaves the play and goes behind third base
to back up a possible bad throw which is actually what the left fielder should have been doing. The first baseman then moves down to make the putout at home should it
come to that. Very good coaching.
I’m new to coaching at 10u little league and fed up with the walk/steal/score/run-rule we’ve been having. I’ve seen different versions of this move. It looks close to a balk? I thought would need to take right foot off rubber, keep left foot planted and throw. There are so many ways to balk.
Isn't this a balk since the third baseman isn't holding the runner?
I think this would never be called a balk in youth baseball for two reasons. 1) the ball is thrown directly toward 3rd. It's not like the 3rd baseman is far back and off the base. 2) the third baseman can do this intentionally to lure the runner off. The rule says it's OBVIOUS that the 3rd baseman isn't trying to make a play. If that were the case, this runner wouldn't have been caught. It's not obvious and as a judgement play, no umpire would call it a balk if they are any good.
Umpires are generally only sticklers on that point at first base. At the other bases, since they're not literally stationed at the base to begin with, being in the neighborhood is good enough.
Good question. A balk type that many youth coaches are unaware of. Had the 3rd baseman been off the bag in his normal fielding position (where he is when no runner is on) and the ball is thrown to him at that spot, then definitely a balk. In this video, the fielder is in a direct line between the base and the pitcher. He is not nearly far enough out of position to make a reasonable play on the runner. Now, a balk call is a judgement call so while one can't say NO umpire would make this call, it's reasonable enough to conclude that no reasonable umpire would. But baseball people always like to show that they know more than anyone else, so these type of videos always get filled with "That;s a balk" comments.
MJH-Baseball Speaking of a “That’s a balk!” comment, what about the pitcher switching from the windup position to the set position without disengaging the pitching plate?
Yes this is a balk since the 3rd baseman isn’t close enough to the bag to make a play, so it is therefore a balk
I’ve seen a 10 year old catcher back pick to 3rd with runners on 1st and 3rd
I played baseball for 13 years and was never picked off. If you pay attention and know the pitching rules, it is almost impossible to suffer such a fate. Teach your players how to avoid getting picked. Not only will it keep them on base, but you will pick up many bases on errant throws.
If it were that easy, mlb players would never be picked.
How many ways can illiterates misspell balk?
Is that a rhetorical question?
It's a balk to pick off like that when the fielder isn't on the base covering the pick off
IM REVENGE no it’s not. As long as you throw it to the base and not to any other fielder or base it is a legal move
Peyton Eakin in the upper levels it is a balk
@@peytoneakin6674 No the fielder has to be on the base
IM REVENGE not in my tournaments
@@andreworscheln4911 no he doesn't. A play just needs to be made on the runner.
I mean for 12 year olds the pickle wasn’t the worst
Is this in Rehoboth Beach?
Does he have to throw that? What rule provides the answer?
In MLB you can not fake to third, so you'd have to throw. In most other leagues including High School you do not have to throw. You may fake to 3rd. Not sure about college. The rule that provides the answer for the leagues that ALLOW it is the one that does not exist. Absence a rule prohibiting, it is allowed.
bumblebee263 you can fake all you want if your back foot is off tho😂
2:23 it’s a bolk b/c he stepped with his left foot and he’s right handed.
If you’re a right handed pitcher you have step behind the rubber and then you can pick off the runner
😂😂😂😂 your stupid
But isn’t that a balk sense the third basemen west occupying the base
I thought that pick is Illegal
Pando isnt it a boc? Or however u spell it
@@noahsimons4692 balk
Pando it’s not but he does it that way he had to throw it in pretty sure or I’m getting mixed up with 1st
Smart move I might try it spmetime
That's on the baserunner. It's pretty easy to not get picked off at 3rd or 2nd base
bruh _ ikr
If a suicide squeeze or safety squeeze is on, then the base runner has to get a good jump. And since the batter was bunting, one of those plays was called, so the base runner wasn't wrong to go on first move.
MJH-Baseball wouldn’t it b better to get a bigger main lead instead of leaving early
MJH-Baseball and isn’t rule #1 as a base runner to never get picked off, especially at 3rd
Marvin Heyboer they still shouldn’t get picked off
Help the pitcher avoid balking, but I’m sure he enjoyed the “get”. He balked twice during this pickoff. (1) Ball in back hand, cannot flinch it. (2) Didn’t come to complete set long enough.
1) No balk. He can have the ball in the throwing hand and no "flinch" is seen. 2) He does NOT need to come "set" if picking off to a base, only when pitching to the plate.
Thanks for the comment.
Isnt it a balk if fielder isn't next to the bag?
Omg he just ran backwards and forwards
I’m sorry if I sound like a drag it just that I’m brutish I have have no idea what’s going on but it looked like a good play
Elliot Webb it's called a pickle and they do that because if he gets tagged, he's out. But that only if a person has a ball when he isn't on the base.
Why is there a rocket ship in the background
This is a Balk because the throw has to go to the bag not the player
Milan Aujay you obviously don’t play baseball
@@billybob8292 no in mlb its a balk bc the third basemen wasnt holding the runner. Idk if it still applies to whatever league rules this was tho
Former college pitcher here. This is 100% a balk, but it would only get called half the time time in HS but 100% of the time in college and above. Keep doing it until they call it
That’s a balk. He started his motion then threw it to third. He never stepped off or anything.
The bag that the pitcher faces and second base, the pitcher is not required to step off with their back foot. The pitcher never advanced his front foot towards the catcher so it’s not a balk.
ParkieL oh
Your stupid
@@gomez3357 you're
This is not a Little League Organization cause 12U in America Little League, a lead-off is not allowed.
I would have got back
The runner shouldn’t have jumped as he picked that’s what got him out
I like the video but this is technically a balk and an illegal pickoff play and is not allowed under the rules. The pitcher picksoff and throws directly to the 3rd baseman who is not on or near 3rd base, the 3rd baseman is playing his fielding position hes not holding the runner and hes not in the vicinity of 3rd, technically this throw was not made to a base but made to a fielder away from the base. All the 3rd baseman would have to do to make this play a legal pickoff play is turn and take one step toward 3rd as the ball is in the air and then it becomes legal. When the 3rd baseman doesn't have to move a step or two towards the bag if hes not already standing there then this becomes like an unfair shortcut for the defense. Again this is the rule when you pick off without stepping off the back of the rubber. If you step off you can throw the ball wherever you want, and certainly right where he threw it in this play if he steps off the back of the rubber first.
I was the kid up to bat and that game one of the pitches broke my arm
Yeah, I remember that. that must have hurt.
Yo I was playing second
I’ve played on that field
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Smart
I’ve done this move a lot of times and I’m 12
Me 11
Wait is that a clubhouse team?
Wow. Yes it is.
From Michigan
I was number 24
Well that sucks
Marvin Heyboer andrew
Marvin Heyboer I was the batter this was filmed at gezon park and this was 12u
Balk rule 6.02
Eugene Dodrill not
The 3rd baseman was inline with the bag
Pitcher can’t pick off the 3rd base isn’t on the base
Thats a balk you have to throw it to a base, not a player
Um I dont really know what the rules are in that league but to me that kinda looked like a balk
I used to play for that team
Cody Williams u from mich
He's not 12 because you can't lead off in little league he would have to be in Jr legion the age group for it is 14-16
no?
Lj Murray everywhere is different. I was allowed to do it since I was 9
Lj Murray this is travel
Stupid 3rd base coach and baserunner. Batter didn't "tip" them off cuz he could have easily been faking.
That’s a balk so that shouldn’t count
Explain
@@MJHBaseball I believe he is referring to 1:29-1:36, where the pitcher swings his free foot forward and comes to the set position. ElieHedgehog Fish apparently believes the pitcher had been in the windup position, but then switched to the set position without first disengaging his pivot foot. I am not sure that the pitcher had been in the windup. His hands are at his sides, his free foot is behind the pivot foot, and he had not taken any sign. He very clearly comes to the set position, and follows all the rules from there. I don't see any attempt to deceive a runner or batter, so, at this level, I would not call a balk. I might talk to the coach about having his pitcher more obviously straddle or stay away from the rubber while waiting.
milwaukeejt no. The 3rd baseman isn’t close enough to the bag to make a play so this would be considered a balk
@MJH-Baseball this is a balk because the 3rd baseman isn’t close enough to the bag to make a play. This would be considered a blak
@Logan Ryan Proximity to the base is not mentioned in the balk rule. It is irrelevant. What is relevant is whether the base is occupied, or whether there is a play to be made on a runner advancing to an unoccupied base. [Rule 6.02(a)(4)] Here, there is a runner occupying 3rd base. So long as his movements are legal, the pitcher may throw to the third baseman all day long, even if he is not close to the bag.
It was a bawk he put his foot up as he was going to pitch it and threw it to 3rd which would resault in a run
Taco_Boy_2008 no as long as your foot doesn’t point towards home it is completely legal
I played on that same field
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LIL CHimPP hello fellow Michigander
BR BlitzBall YO WAS GOOD
why’d he tag him with the hand? lol
The ball was in his hand
Pleb Obliterator your supposed to run at the runner with the ball in your hand during a pickle. This is because of how you might have to throw the ball. You can't do that if it's in your hand
Last word is supposed to be glove
Spaceconquerer 9000 ya i know i play baseball. it’s an amateur move to keep the ball in your hand and tag him with that. you’re technically supposed to tag the player with your glove, you obviously have to transfer it first. it’s also easier to run if the ball is in your glove and you know you can catch up to the player.
I can disagree but you do you
That is clear as day a balk
Quentin Gilbert yeah i was gonna say😂😂
He's on the rubber . I agree balk. At least MLB rules.
Quentin Gilbert I guess a foggy day. There is no balk
I play for 15u flames
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I play for warriors is you’ve heard of them
That is a terrible rundown
Mmg
No. 27 looks like he's running in mud.
Seeing as that field is horrible it’s basically like he’s running on the beach because the field is sand
That’s me bruh
It's too bad he balked.
That is a balk
Thats a bach
aiden dorn balk
It is a bock though
BALK... also it is a balk because the third baseman is supposed to hold him on
change your intro
Soon
That guy tags the runner with his bare hand
Red Sox Nation when you get in a pickle your supposed to run at the runner with the ball in your hand. He did the right thing.
Spaceconquerer 9000 ya, but u put that ball back in ur glove and hold it with 2 hands when u tag him bc it’s a lot less likely that the ball will fall out
Red Sox Nation not necessarily. They hardly have any momentum and you don’t have time to put the ball in your glove. It really won’t make a difference