Ankle pick was how Randy Couture took down James Toney (6 time world champion heavyweight boxer, for those who don't know), and basically showed him the limitations of his art.
@@АлександрАлексей-т1ф This. You can still use an ankle pick in mma if you mask it ala Frankie Edgar. A low single against an actual mma fighter or someone who trains would be problematic
@@SenseiSeth true true, I just get super hype when I see like Chase Hooper or one of those kind of grappling specialists diving for it after he gets crushed in striking.
I once did Ura-Nage on my Sensei, he was excited and happy actually, he praised and encouraged me instead of punishing me. Guess that's why I love my dojo over any other.
The 1st throw I learned was the Osoto Gari. It was a fundamentals class, the instructor was this Sergeant Major (black in judo/brown in bjj), and he picked me bc I was the tallest in the class and a vet. He instantaneously knocked me down flat on my back. It is this memory that always convicts me to polish break falls. I really feel the foot sweep (sasae) should be S tier. Almost broke a rib when I got hit it. I fell on a matted cage and I still felt like I fell down a flight of stairs; I can't imagine it on concrete.If someone can master it, then they will look like Yoda.
Osoto is the first throw I learned in TKD as a kid. I personally have to rank it S tier for the sole fact I have used it on all my girlfriends. You modify it a little bit and go in close, far arm on shoulder, near arm hips/waist(to catch her before she falls all the way), and then go for the throw. It is as close to the movie sweep her off her feet as you can get.
First throw I learned was Ippon Seoi Nage for that exact reason. You learn almost all of the judo fundamentals and principles (off balance, pivot, momentum, timing, follow through, ground transition) in one throw.
Yes! That's my favourite. But sometimes it doesn't work! But, in that situation. I tried to throw my pal. I don't know why. He blocked it! I had no other ideas. But, luckily. It was just silly football pitch joking around. Why, the hell did I do that? It's embarrassing when it does not work! Dam! Another stupid decision.
As a Judo black belt and former Mixed Martial Artist, and someone who has worked security for the last 12 years in high risk environments, I have been in hundreds of real life physical altercations. One of the BEST takedowns EVER has proven for me to be the Osoto Gari. It is super simple and easy to learn and master, it can be one of the most devastating and punishing takedowns or one of the most gentle depending on how much leverage you decide to incorporate, it bypasses the guard and puts you right into knee on belly, and it has a low risk factor if it doesnt go your way. It is easily adapted to no-gi with a single collar tie grip. Not to mention it is a technique that requires a little less room than other techniques making it great for close quarter crowded spaces, AND it can be easily incorporated into team based takedowns and other strategies. Osoto Gari definately deserves to be on the S tier. No question about it.
Yes. Funny enough some people who naturally have great sense of balance and some athleticism can readily do crude osotogari quite effectively, without even knowing what osoto gari is. It is so intuitive.
Being a Judo blue belt (as a kid ) i agree 😉. Seriously though, it's a move that once you learned how to use it, you don't forget it. And you can use it for the rest of your life, even if you'r out of shape.
Really makes me appreciate all the weird rules the UK parliament has, like both sides of the house not being able to come closer than two sword lengths from each other, not being able to address someone directly, you have to say "the honourable member" or "my honourable friend" etc. it all seems silly until you realise that probably these rules developed from politicians getting angry at each other and fighting, coz we see that happening in younger parliaments
Truly? Insane. Once a US Senator was caned down outside his senate office. I think a few fisticuffs have happened in British parliament...our elected representatives, lol. If reason doesn’t work, give em an elbow strike or seo nage.
The Tomo Nage (aka the "Captain Kirk") is incredibly easy to learn, as a Taekwondo guy I got taught it in *one* training session with a mate who did Judo… and used it IRL soon after (at school, by some steps). _Funnily enough he couldn't pick up roundhouse head kicks as easily_ - and a turning kick is useful in a grapple. As for the Tomo Nage/Sacrifice Throw if you have any gymnastics skill you can continue your roll and pop up back on your feet afterwards which is useful and looks _really cool_ - careful where you put your feet upon landing though.
Theiy aren't that hard. It's a go to for me. I'm 5' 6" and once I get a guy to lower his level while i have a collar tie, thai clinch or a good lapel grip if he leaves that leg out there for me it's pretty high %. I use a Russian variant also that start by trapping the foot with your foot, then pushing him backwards and when he goes to catch his balance he usualy spread legs to far and yhat lowers his posture and then go for the traditional pick.
Dang I wish Uchi Mata, Tai Otoshi, and Kata Garuma were thrown into the list, but all in all very informative! Love Shintaro's channel, been a big fan since I started my Grappling Journey
When I did wrestling for one year, a knee pick was my go to every time, I was 195 at the time and had upper body strength so getting the head down was cake, all in all it’s something I mastered so well that in any street fight I’d feel confident in incorporating it in a situation. Still i’m a stand up striker at heart, but you can never get too comfortable in any style.
I feel like shooting in during an actual fight is giving up the head to blows or guillotine, and the body to a number of strikes. Saw a guy try it once, and he got his skull busted with a bottle of Jack. Then they put the boots to him. I’ll stick to striking, baton, or J-frame.
@@onerider808 definitely. idk with smaller weight classes, but at least for bigger one’s, you don’t give up your head while knee picking, it’s more of a who can dominate who tactic. the only time i would use it in a street fight, is when ur fighting standing, and it comes into a clinch for whatever situation that would lead to that. instead of shooting in, grabbing the back of the neck, pushing their head down with your forehead, wrist control with other hand, then pull them down with all your force, immediately go to knee pick. in this situation you will not be giving up your head🤞🏼
Yup, UFC has really detracted from the importance of good throws on to a hard surface. To be honest, people can withstand alot of punches in most street fights, but a good throw on to back, back of head or shoulder etc will end someone (back of neck kills people easily).
@@uberdonkey9721 Last week I went to Judo class and while sparring got thrown with Ippon Seoi Nage. Felt my ribs jam into my organs and was on the ground in pain for 5 minutes. If that was done full force on any non-mat surface, I would definitely be in the hospital, assuming I was still alive.
@Kaitlyn Bush I'm currently being flung around in judo , at maybe 50% what the guys could actually do , and on a padded mat and so far I've had smashed ribs , knee and hip, on a street you would be so fucked
Great video! Really felt like this helped deepen my understanding of some of these techniques. Can't stop imagining Shintaro at the bar, 8 beers deep, launching bodies lmao
A high crotch is a shot not a takedown.... how you decide to finish it is considered the takedown. You can finish it with either a single or a double leg.
This one was a lot of fun. Great guest. I remember, back in my 20's, the flying scissor takedown was my best opener. Nobody outside of Judo had ever seen anything like it, and being airborne while executing it made it so fast and flashy that it was a real ego-boost. The only time it failed for me was when facing a fast TKD guy, who shuffled back fast enough to completely avoid being there when my legs clipped. It instead turned into a belly flop. We both had a good laugh.
Haha. Yes so true ! I had the same experience. I was trained at a Dojo that did both Karate and Judo/jiu jitsu in the 90thies We did a lot of sparring with different other martial art schools. I remember sparring with a TKD guy, so i was off right away doing the scissor, then missing itand being kicked in the head while in mid air 😅TKD has a bad reputation these days, but being kicked in the head is no joke.
At a wrestling tournament I was apart of last year I defended a single leg by using the front headlock take down. It was deemed my best move by my coaches because I'm a in the unlimited weight class and to bring a big guy over me like that is awesome to see and super impressive
S tier: Ankle Pick if Tony Ferguson does it on a heavyweight A Tier: single leg against the cage with no intention to actually take the guy down, head down eyes closed double leg F tier: Everything else
DocTarnation I thought shintaro trained at renzos regularly with the danaher guys. Or at least did so in the past. I don’t really like the ankle pick either. To each his own.
Arm drags are my go to Whenever friends/coworkers ask me to show them jiujitsu or wrestling moves. It's so easy to teach and pull off against non grapplers.
I think you may be right on the Osoto Gari being good at teaching you the basic principles. I remember it was one of the first techniques I ever learned, and I was thereafter always mindful of (un)balance, position, posture (both physical and mental). Yep, think you hit the nail on that one. And also your ranking videos are always fun! Please do keep them coming!
When I started Judo I wondered why O soto was the first you learn aswell! Since it's actually very hard to do well. I think the thought behind that is you learn it early on in your training so you'll keep practicing because it is a very good throw to know
Some of the effectiveness of these takedowns is greatly effected by body type. For example, the ankle pick is typically done by someone with a longer frame, a double leg is more often done by someone with a lot of explosive power and athleticism.
I remember when I did MMA Everybody knew me as the double leg kid, back then I was a big guy so it was perfect for me. It was kinda like my signature move.
Much respect for this list. Great info from Higashi Sensei. The fact you're covering the most common (across grappling disciplines) throws/takedowns makes sense. Not going to argue with the rankings you have. I could get behind those, just thought I'd add a couple essentials that I think should be in the list. These are slightly more advanced and thus a little harder to get good at, but (due to their common usage in MMA), harai-goshi (sweeping hip), o-guruma (big wheel), and uchi-mata (inner thigh) should be considered. Downsides of sweeping-hip or big wheel (in keeping with this topic): * throwing from 1 leg requires greater balance and control * exposes your back to opponent (but a little less awkwardly than an o-goshi depending on variation) BIG upside of these (or why to add them to list): * a failed o-goshi or koshi-guruma can often be salvaged with some sweeping or springing hip action, making these essential "continuations" of those techniques (o-guruma being tends to happen when they miss the sweeping hip) * can be enhanced with makikomi finishes to increase impact, and maintain close control on landing (and get the 3x coolness-multiplier the sound of air escaping uke's lungs percussively) Not to be forgotten, ashi-variant uchi-mata is a worthy addition to the list. So many headlocks and neck-and-shoulder (standing kesa-gatami style triangles) end with a torque/twist and a thigh-lift. It's almost instinctive on the thrower's part. Not usually as pretty as the other hip throws, but effective and relatively safe. Also had to laugh when Higashi Sensei questioned why we teach o-soto-gari first! Here are the reasons I can come up with: * "Well duh... cause that's how my sensei taught me!" * Concussion-generator-gari is difficult to master, hard to take a fall from, and way more dangerous than kane-basami, so if a student comes back after their first class, they're a "keeper." * It's GREAT self-defense tool, and an easy concept to understand, so if they never come back, at least they learned a life-skill. * What would you rather teach first, hiza-guruma? That's for their second class. -best regards
As a not-grappler teaching other not grapplers to grapple, I think the outside reap is the first technique to learn party because it feels so safe. It's really easy to be in complete control of the momentum of the situation through out all of the execution. Love the video and the colab.
Pretty cool list. Would have loved to hear your opinions on Harai Goshi (or Tai Otoshi) and Uchi Mata. Since I especially loved the latter back when I used to compete
@Andrew Onymous I’m not mad I’m just saying it’s called a gi and Judo and wrestling have different techniques I know because one of my friends does judo and I wrestle.
Really cool to hear the discussions. Ankle pick is actually my favourite especially on bigger players. But to get over the distance a classic combo is to do Ko Uchi Gari (minor inner sweep) or even O Uchi Gari (as seen in this vid) and as they go to lift their leg out the way, stick to it and feed their ankle into your hand. I like it because a lot of off balancing can be super hard but pull them towards you to the right or left and they 99% WILL post a leg forward.
As a BJJ white belt who currently doesn't know S about F, this is a fantastic video. Demos move so fast at the club and I often struggle to keep up in terms of the names, techniques, defenses, etc. This is a great break down. Thanks fellas.
There's probably literally 2 examples of a short person scoring uchimata against a tall person in the Olympics. S tier coolness... but sucks if you're against someone taller
Did I miss arm drag? Not really a throw but it is my favorite deescalation technique. Nobody hits the floor but you have great control when you are done. I work with sick people who are sometime confused. No throwing allowed. Arm drag is perfect.
For me a single leg to some kind of trip/sweep always worked amazing. I'm usually shorter than most of my opponents. Once I pick up the leg their is so much I can do with it, usually just a step through drive puts them down but if they counter that I'm ready for a sweep, or to even slide my hands to the ankle and just sprint forward while throwing his foot above my head if I have enough room. I was never a double leg guy. I had good success with a single leg and if i didn't get the guy down I was typically still standing where as a failed double leg seems to put you in a bad spot more often. Sure you may eat a strike or two while working the single leg but if you are cautious, good and fast you will get it 75% of the time and if the guy is committing to his strikes you will have an even better chance. If you are working hard you won't give him much time to get off any good strikes anyway. I don't have the best fight/grappling record, I won a couple medals though, no traditional wrestling experience but I was able to take down university team wrestlers and some of the best pro top (3 mma) guys in Canada in lower weight classes 145 - 135 with single leg variations. I was walking around at 155-180, depends on the time, and I have used single legs to take down 260 pound juice monkey's that were beginner grapplers or UFC level MMA guys in my own weight class. It always worked for me in training, fighting, grappling and even self defense situations. In regards to Judo take downs they work very well if you don't know the guy is a judoka. My #1 training partner back in the day who was a high level mma pro started doing a lot of Judo, but I knew it and knew he was going to be trying it so I kept my hips away from him but if you don't know ya you are going down hard.
Single leg, head n arm throw, and front headlock were my shit in wrestling. I also love the monkey flip. Was never really good at double legs and even worse at ankle picks.
A drop tai otoshi is certainly among my favorites for gi training. Snap downs to ankle picks are satisfying as hell, as well as single to double leg. Also, if you’re getting guillotined on your doubles, you’re not controlling their legs as you fall. You move them across after you begin falling, in a way that would land you in side control. If you’re across their body, they won’t finish a guillotine, and you’re less likely to land on your own head.
One of the harder Judo throws to learn one leg up good Kuzushi. Coolness factor: epic. Risk. High. Practicality. Yeah if you can do side kicks then you can also do uchimata but everyone knows side kicks dont work. I have to go with C Tiet with uchi-mata 🤷🏻♂️
@@casparbosch5615 absolutely. Every throw/takedown has risk, some more than others. It comes down to the amount of time you have put into the takedown you are attempting. For me its decades which is more than a lot of people so the risk for me to do this throw combo is less than a white belt doing a Ouchi or Ogoshi. Most Judoka have that one throw that they really specialize in just like a lot of JiuJitsuka have that one position or submission they specialize in, mine is Uchi Mata and I can show plenty of follow ups off failed attempts, ankle pick, knee pick, kouchi gari. The key is pick a throw and then have plenty of combos off it because after about 6 months one throw attempt won't be enough it will have to be fakes and combos.
@@tusccountyjiujitsu uchi mata is a very nice throw for that for sure, specially since it can be done woth sleeve and lapel grip. I'm still working on it though, but now with corona I haven't been able to improve much... I like seoi and sode as well, since they work off of 1 grip.
Another point for the suplex, it can break a non-grappler mentally. You're duking it out and a dude your size got behind and man handled you through the air onto your neck/back/knee base, and your opponent will put you where he wants you to end the fight-if it isn't over already.
Ankle pick as F tier is the one I just cannot see. It is low risk, high reward, as long as you have the person off-balance first by forcing them to take a step forward so they naturally posture backward. Even if you miss it, you are low and inside, with opportunities to either back up or strike. As for coolness, you duck down and the other guy is suddenly on their back, so that is pretty cool in my book. Ankle pick should be at least A-tier, if not the only S-tier.
Hey, it's the guy who beat Bazooka Joe in that virtual championship! Subbed XD Already follow Shintaro, and while I have to agree double legs have issues, against people without training they are really, really practical.
My mind was blown for the double leg talk. Another point I’d wanna add is that the DLeg would be A-S tier IF YOU’RE in the same weight class. But according to your criteria a B is perfect
It’s good to have experience with many different takedown concepts....I think that’s one reason wrestlers are so dominant in scrambles. Seems like the drop/snatch single should be S-tier seeing how it’s almost a universal counter to a throw. Blast double vs double.
Would have loved to see: Fireman's carry (fairly easy to learn, flashy and great against both grapplers and non, plus no guillotine risk) - A tier Duck under (not that useful against non grapplers but easy to take the back for rnc) - D tier Arm drag (easy to get back control for suplex / rnc against a shoving opponent, low risk, easy to learn, but not flashy. More of a setup to takedown than a true takedown though) - b tier Low single (medium diff to learn, medium risk, very effective against grapplers and non, but not flashy) - c tier
Coming from a wrestler, the double leg could become an S(in my opinion) because it can be one of the hardest takedowns to defend, as well as(mentioned in the video) if you just transition from a traditional double to a blast double, the guillotine risk is almost zero
the ankle pick where you drop down and press your shoulder below the knee is so good... just really good, like from a scrambling position to someone trying to stand up.. it's great.. just need to be quick with it
Judo is so fun! There are some similar takedowns between Americanized karate styles so that makes it easier, especially if you wrestled in high school!
@@SenseiSeth well, there are dozens of techniques in the official syllabus. so its kind of expected to leave some good ones behind (looking at you, harai goshi)
So glad I've stumbled across your channel awesome content have been bringing all day will definitely be subscribing thanks for all outstanding uploads big shout out from Aus 🇦🇺
Just gonna leave out Harai ogoshi?? I am commenting preemptively, though. I just found this channel the other day, and I really love it. Great content. Cheers!
founding father of American MMA and record breaking wrestling coach here...the best takedown in history is the slideby to backtrip AKA tani otoshi...I use a russian 2 on 1 to start the series, it's all about the risk-benefit analysis
Just a mediocre former high school wrestler and this + low risk ankle picks were all I did. I was extremely boring to watch, but I could beat people that were much more talented and experienced than me
Double legs are the easiest takedowns to defend. Like literally. This is the basic takedown in modern wrestling and we teach how to defend it like day one
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i think we all do!!!!
Great content as usual... Keep these crossover videos coming Sensei.
@@eggsiclefishstick5569 we do....
You got it 👏
I did a tomo nage 3 years ago
A submissions tier list would also be cool
Who should I have on for that one?
@@SenseiSeth Rener Gracie
Ooooh 😳
@@SenseiSeth brian glick!
Nice!! Good suggestion
“Ankle pick is F tier”
Me, a 6’2’’ wrestler: my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined
Lmao
Ankle pick was how Randy Couture took down James Toney (6 time world champion heavyweight boxer, for those who don't know), and basically showed him the limitations of his art.
S tier when you got 6 inches on your opponent. Always see the 6'5" heavy weight killing the short ones.
@@ChrisM-tn3hx that's not an ankle pick that's a low single
@@АлександрАлексей-т1ф This. You can still use an ankle pick in mma if you mask it ala Frankie Edgar. A low single against an actual mma fighter or someone who trains would be problematic
Imanari roll:
Coolness factor SS
Risk factor FF
Haha tomoe is cooler imo!!
@@SenseiSeth true true, I just get super hype when I see like Chase Hooper or one of those kind of grappling specialists diving for it after he gets crushed in striking.
It’s a dope move for sure!!
Ryan hall ftw
@@kevinjohnson6549 i was looking for this
Pulled off an ankle pick on one of our instructors once. The retribution was horrible. Definitely F tier for that.
I took down my instructor down once and he put me through a 6 minute clinic of submissions.
@@JakeEatNow definitely a jiu jitsu instructor...
@@jestfullgremblim8002damn so true
im 194 cm 100+ kilos, i tried to do a ougoshi on my BJJ black belt coach the other day, after that he was like eddie the breakdancer-fighter in TEKKEN
I once did Ura-Nage on my Sensei, he was excited and happy actually, he praised and encouraged me instead of punishing me. Guess that's why I love my dojo over any other.
Watching Taekwondo get clowned in every video is the highlight of my day.
Hahaha I didn’t clown it here??
@@SenseiSeth Cheeky bit of clowning in the intro.
Ohhh hahah yea that wasn’t on purpose 😂
Lmfao
Lmfao
The 1st throw I learned was the Osoto Gari. It was a fundamentals class, the instructor was this Sergeant Major (black in judo/brown in bjj), and he picked me bc I was the tallest in the class and a vet. He instantaneously knocked me down flat on my back. It is this memory that always convicts me to polish break falls.
I really feel the foot sweep (sasae) should be S tier. Almost broke a rib when I got hit it. I fell on a matted cage and I still felt like I fell down a flight of stairs; I can't imagine it on concrete.If someone can master it, then they will look like Yoda.
Awesome story!
Osoto is the first throw I learned in TKD as a kid. I personally have to rank it S tier for the sole fact I have used it on all my girlfriends.
You modify it a little bit and go in close, far arm on shoulder, near arm hips/waist(to catch her before she falls all the way), and then go for the throw. It is as close to the movie sweep her off her feet as you can get.
First throw I learned was Ippon Seoi Nage for that exact reason. You learn almost all of the judo fundamentals and principles (off balance, pivot, momentum, timing, follow through, ground transition) in one throw.
I want you to know that somehow I read that you fell on a crate? of eggs.
Yes! That's my favourite. But sometimes it doesn't work! But, in that situation. I tried to throw my pal. I don't know why. He blocked it! I had no other ideas. But, luckily. It was just silly football pitch joking around. Why, the hell did I do that? It's embarrassing when it does not work! Dam! Another stupid decision.
As a Judo black belt and former Mixed Martial Artist, and someone who has worked security for the last 12 years in high risk environments, I have been in hundreds of real life physical altercations. One of the BEST takedowns EVER has proven for me to be the Osoto Gari. It is super simple and easy to learn and master, it can be one of the most devastating and punishing takedowns or one of the most gentle depending on how much leverage you decide to incorporate, it bypasses the guard and puts you right into knee on belly, and it has a low risk factor if it doesnt go your way. It is easily adapted to no-gi with a single collar tie grip. Not to mention it is a technique that requires a little less room than other techniques making it great for close quarter crowded spaces, AND it can be easily incorporated into team based takedowns and other strategies. Osoto Gari definately deserves to be on the S tier. No question about it.
Yes. Funny enough some people who naturally have great sense of balance and some athleticism can readily do crude osotogari quite effectively, without even knowing what osoto gari is. It is so intuitive.
Thanks for that, good points you make, good to know!
Being a Judo blue belt (as a kid ) i agree 😉. Seriously though, it's a move that once you learned how to use it, you don't forget it. And you can use it for the rest of your life, even if you'r out of shape.
O-soto-gari is so easy even Bruce Lee knew how to do it. lol.
The problem with osoto gari is if the person knows how to defend against it you might end up getting osoto
That tomae wasn't in a court room Seth. That was the South Korean parliament.
makes sense.
Arab parliaments frefer throwing stuff on eachother instead lol
lmao
Bc it matters?
Really makes me appreciate all the weird rules the UK parliament has, like both sides of the house not being able to come closer than two sword lengths from each other, not being able to address someone directly, you have to say "the honourable member" or "my honourable friend" etc. it all seems silly until you realise that probably these rules developed from politicians getting angry at each other and fighting, coz we see that happening in younger parliaments
Truly? Insane. Once a US Senator was caned down outside his senate office. I think a few fisticuffs have happened in British parliament...our elected representatives, lol. If reason doesn’t work, give em an elbow strike or seo nage.
Always had a soft spot for Judo style takedowns. Thinking of starting it up soon
I wish I had more in my area!
bald gang
Lol what?
@@xaviersfinance2664 Bald gang, my brother
@@SenseiSeth Its from a youtuber that me and nate watch
Seeing an ippon seio nage is the reason I started training so I always have a soft spot for that throw.
Dang, that’s pretty sick!
@@SenseiSeth thanks sensei 😀
My seio nage is cool af!!
My favorite to this day, even though a simple collar drag or arm drag has a higher success rate (for me, at least).
@@yoseph3625 my poor little brothers and Army buddies met the Earth many times as I was mastering it, the poor rascals. It’s still my favorite.
The Tomo Nage (aka the "Captain Kirk") is incredibly easy to learn, as a Taekwondo guy I got taught it in *one* training session with a mate who did Judo… and used it IRL soon after (at school, by some steps).
_Funnily enough he couldn't pick up roundhouse head kicks as easily_ - and a turning kick is useful in a grapple.
As for the Tomo Nage/Sacrifice Throw if you have any gymnastics skill you can continue your roll and pop up back on your feet afterwards which is useful and looks _really cool_ - careful where you put your feet upon landing though.
Looks SO sick
Yep, first time I pulled it off I had only seen it, never practiced it but surprise factor made it easy
I could see shintaro make a vid Called “ankle picks don’t work”👀
Bahaha
@@SenseiSeth to be fair though I can’t ever land a ankle pick
@@skycow3208 I only ever did it once. Against a non wrestler.
@@grsimpson3957 I know there actually pretty hard to pull off
Theiy aren't that hard. It's a go to for me. I'm 5' 6" and once I get a guy to lower his level while i have a collar tie, thai clinch or a good lapel grip if he leaves that leg out there for me it's pretty high %. I use a Russian variant also that start by trapping the foot with your foot, then pushing him backwards and when he goes to catch his balance he usualy spread legs to far and yhat lowers his posture and then go for the traditional pick.
1:35 uchi 2:51 tomoe nage 5:24 single leg 6:33 ankle pick
8:13 knee pick 10:13 front headlock 11:58 ogoshi 13:09 ippon seoi nage 15:05 suplex 16:26 foot sweep 18:32 double leg
20:15 scissors 22:18 osoto 24:10 koshi guruma
Poor arm drag 😞
Dang I wish Uchi Mata, Tai Otoshi, and Kata Garuma were thrown into the list, but all in all very informative!
Love Shintaro's channel, been a big fan since I started my Grappling Journey
He we goofed
He’s awesome though!
Should have added tai otoshi and osoto garı.. they are probably the most effective and used throws (along with uchi Mata)
When I did wrestling for one year, a knee pick was my go to every time, I was 195 at the time and had upper body strength so getting the head down was cake, all in all it’s something I mastered so well that in any street fight I’d feel confident in incorporating it in a situation. Still i’m a stand up striker at heart, but you can never get too comfortable in any style.
That's soo crazy, wild even.
I feel like shooting in during an actual fight is giving up the head to blows or guillotine, and the body to a number of strikes. Saw a guy try it once, and he got his skull busted with a bottle of Jack. Then they put the boots to him. I’ll stick to striking, baton, or J-frame.
@@onerider808 definitely. idk with smaller weight classes, but at least for bigger one’s, you don’t give up your head while knee picking, it’s more of a who can dominate who tactic. the only time i would use it in a street fight, is when ur fighting standing, and it comes into a clinch for whatever situation that would lead to that. instead of shooting in, grabbing the back of the neck, pushing their head down with your forehead, wrist control with other hand, then pull them down with all your force, immediately go to knee pick. in this situation you will not be giving up your head🤞🏼
Yes. That's kind of my pick. But what if they stand tall. And attack the neck or spine. I can't see any throws, I really like the look of here.
I think the damage the throw makes in a self defense situation if done correctly should be a factor too
Yup, UFC has really detracted from the importance of good throws on to a hard surface. To be honest, people can withstand alot of punches in most street fights, but a good throw on to back, back of head or shoulder etc will end someone (back of neck kills people easily).
@@uberdonkey9721 Last week I went to Judo class and while sparring got thrown with Ippon Seoi Nage. Felt my ribs jam into my organs and was on the ground in pain for 5 minutes. If that was done full force on any non-mat surface, I would definitely be in the hospital, assuming I was still alive.
@@uberdonkey9721 definitely even just landing on your back on concrete or worse a curb could instantly end the fight
If thats a factor, suplex is S tier
@Kaitlyn Bush I'm currently being flung around in judo , at maybe 50% what the guys could actually do , and on a padded mat and so far I've had smashed ribs , knee and hip, on a street you would be so fucked
Great video! Really felt like this helped deepen my understanding of some of these techniques. Can't stop imagining Shintaro at the bar, 8 beers deep, launching bodies lmao
I bet you could have included a master Ken move or restomp the groin throw somewhere in this list hah
Haha I could’ve!
're stomp the groin occupys all the spots
Everyone knows ameridote is too deadly to be on these lists
12 likes 4 views ... Sensei Seth has officially broken the time-space continuum 😳
Haha dang, we’re getting good at this!
😂😂😂
Why is the high crotch single not on this list?? That is easily the coolest takedown because who doesn’t like seeing someone get rag dolled
Khabib would like to know your location.
For real it's so satisfying to watch him effortlessly toss pro fighters around with high crotches
A high crotch is a shot not a takedown.... how you decide to finish it is considered the takedown. You can finish it with either a single or a double leg.
@@lxlpsycho Firemans carry would easily be the flashiest takedown from high crotch.
@Jhon Thomas and one of the easiest.
@@nicholasneyhart396 Easy to learn, not easy to actually use. If you practice enough, you can definitely get it, just not easy.
This one was a lot of fun. Great guest. I remember, back in my 20's, the flying scissor takedown was my best opener. Nobody outside of Judo had ever seen anything like it, and being airborne while executing it made it so fast and flashy that it was a real ego-boost. The only time it failed for me was when facing a fast TKD guy, who shuffled back fast enough to completely avoid being there when my legs clipped. It instead turned into a belly flop. We both had a good laugh.
Haha. Yes so true ! I had the same experience. I was trained at a Dojo that did both Karate and Judo/jiu jitsu in the 90thies We did a lot of sparring with different other martial art schools. I remember sparring with a TKD guy, so i was off right away doing the scissor, then missing itand being kicked in the head while in mid air 😅TKD has a bad reputation these days, but being kicked in the head is no joke.
At a wrestling tournament I was apart of last year I defended a single leg by using the front headlock take down. It was deemed my best move by my coaches because I'm a in the unlimited weight class and to bring a big guy over me like that is awesome to see and super impressive
S tier: Ankle Pick if Tony Ferguson does it on a heavyweight
A Tier: single leg against the cage with no intention to actually take the guy down, head down eyes closed double leg
F tier: Everything else
As someone who’s at a very beginner stage with grappling and takedowns, 15 seconds in I already love this video
Ayeee
Fun fact: none of y'all have watched the entire video yet. It hasn't been long enough.
😂😂😂
@@SenseiSeth he's right
me rewatching it for the 7th time just to see these two talking to each other be like: try me.
I've done so multiple times, it's extremely useful for a beginner like me
7:55
400 missed calls from john danaher
Exactly. I was surprised he downgraded the ankle pick. Doesn't Shintaro get BJJ coaching from one of John Danaher's students?
DocTarnation I thought shintaro trained at renzos regularly with the danaher guys. Or at least did so in the past.
I don’t really like the ankle pick either. To each his own.
@@prandz420 I love it I grappling scenarios but coul easily end up with a boot to the face basic street fight
Wait did u guys talk about arm drags or was it just automatic D
Must have accidentally cut it idk
Think you misspelled S
Idk why it was so low. Arm drags are cool af.
Arm drags are op af, I dont understand
Arm drags are my go to Whenever friends/coworkers ask me to show them jiujitsu or wrestling moves. It's so easy to teach and pull off against non grapplers.
I think you may be right on the Osoto Gari being good at teaching you the basic principles. I remember it was one of the first techniques I ever learned, and I was thereafter always mindful of (un)balance, position, posture (both physical and mental).
Yep, think you hit the nail on that one.
And also your ranking videos are always fun! Please do keep them coming!
When I started Judo I wondered why O soto was the first you learn aswell! Since it's actually very hard to do well. I think the thought behind that is you learn it early on in your training so you'll keep practicing because it is a very good throw to know
I love the collaboration videos you do with other prominent RUclips martial artists!
BTW, the "every martial art in one room" video was truly great!!!
Seth I gotta give you some props you are super humble and you show footage maybe where you didn’t do as good respect 👍👏🥋
Thank you 🙏
@@SenseiSeth 😀
@The Tide Rises ya he’s a Wonderboy type
Thats a lie he always diss taekwondo
@@craigcanaan ya but it’s a joke
Some of the effectiveness of these takedowns is greatly effected by body type. For example, the ankle pick is typically done by someone with a longer frame, a double leg is more often done by someone with a lot of explosive power and athleticism.
I remember when I did MMA Everybody knew me as the double leg kid, back then I was a big guy so it was perfect for me. It was kinda like my signature move.
Much respect for this list. Great info from Higashi Sensei. The fact you're covering the most common (across grappling disciplines) throws/takedowns makes sense. Not going to argue with the rankings you have. I could get behind those, just thought I'd add a couple essentials that I think should be in the list. These are slightly more advanced and thus a little harder to get good at, but (due to their common usage in MMA), harai-goshi (sweeping hip), o-guruma (big wheel), and uchi-mata (inner thigh) should be considered.
Downsides of sweeping-hip or big wheel (in keeping with this topic):
* throwing from 1 leg requires greater balance and control
* exposes your back to opponent (but a little less awkwardly than an o-goshi depending on variation)
BIG upside of these (or why to add them to list):
* a failed o-goshi or koshi-guruma can often be salvaged with some sweeping or springing hip action, making these essential "continuations" of those techniques (o-guruma being tends to happen when they miss the sweeping hip)
* can be enhanced with makikomi finishes to increase impact, and maintain close control on landing (and get the 3x coolness-multiplier the sound of air escaping uke's lungs percussively)
Not to be forgotten, ashi-variant uchi-mata is a worthy addition to the list. So many headlocks and neck-and-shoulder (standing kesa-gatami style triangles) end with a torque/twist and a thigh-lift. It's almost instinctive on the thrower's part. Not usually as pretty as the other hip throws, but effective and relatively safe.
Also had to laugh when Higashi Sensei questioned why we teach o-soto-gari first! Here are the reasons I can come up with:
* "Well duh... cause that's how my sensei taught me!"
* Concussion-generator-gari is difficult to master, hard to take a fall from, and way more dangerous than kane-basami, so if a student comes back after their first class, they're a "keeper."
* It's GREAT self-defense tool, and an easy concept to understand, so if they never come back, at least they learned a life-skill.
* What would you rather teach first, hiza-guruma? That's for their second class.
-best regards
I love this video!!
A bunch of stuff I’ve never even seen, but you can be sure that I will be trying this at my next sparring sesh at BJJ!
that video was very interesting and funny, especially the part about ankle picks, 7:23 lmao
The Tomo Nage in the "court room" was actually Korean members of Congress.
Been a huge fan of this guy for a long time and you as well. Haven’t been this excited for a crossover since you and icy mike first linked up.
Got a couple more to come!! Thank you 🙏🙏
Yall have amazing chemistry, now do a 3 way colab with Icy Mike
As a not-grappler teaching other not grapplers to grapple, I think the outside reap is the first technique to learn party because it feels so safe. It's really easy to be in complete control of the momentum of the situation through out all of the execution. Love the video and the colab.
Pretty cool list. Would have loved to hear your opinions on Harai Goshi (or Tai Otoshi) and Uchi Mata. Since I especially loved the latter back when I used to compete
I watched this whole video for an explanation on why the Uchimata isn’t in this discussion.
Man, uchi mata is super high % no gi... as far as throws it's my # 3 highest %. Behind harai goshi being # 1, seoi nagi being #2
It's so damn hard though, I don't know, maybe I have a mental block, although when pulled off it's beautiful.
@@carritohmc It's almost impossible against someone who's a lot taller than you
Sumi gaeshi is high percentage and plenty of grips even in no gi
I actually really like the wrestling takedowns I think those are my favorite types
I wrestle soon to start karate and BJJ. I think wrestling takedowns are cool.
Fair!
@Andrew Onymous you really don’t have any idea about what you are talking about do you.
@Andrew Onymous I’m not mad I’m just saying it’s called a gi and Judo and wrestling have different techniques I know because one of my friends does judo and I wrestle.
@Andrew Onymous I don’t do Greco Roman I do Folkstyle. (middle school wrestling)
Love this man! Y’all knocked it out of the park!
what about the arm drag
I cut it
@Andrew Onymous ikr easily S tier, looks cool, almost 0 risk and effective against all
Really cool to hear the discussions. Ankle pick is actually my favourite especially on bigger players. But to get over the distance a classic combo is to do Ko Uchi Gari (minor inner sweep) or even O Uchi Gari (as seen in this vid) and as they go to lift their leg out the way, stick to it and feed their ankle into your hand. I like it because a lot of off balancing can be super hard but pull them towards you to the right or left and they 99% WILL post a leg forward.
Single leg takedown not cool:
Daniel Cormier wants to know your location.
Haha that’s a high crotch, does that count??
@@SenseiSeth high crotch is a head outside single, so it counts
He means Sakuraba.
@@erasylnash6697 nah high crotch and singles are different. Single requires a step to the outside. High crotch in an inside step.
As a BJJ white belt who currently doesn't know S about F, this is a fantastic video. Demos move so fast at the club and I often struggle to keep up in terms of the names, techniques, defenses, etc. This is a great break down. Thanks fellas.
Damn I was curious about the uchimata. How you gonna skip that one man
They really skipped uchi mata and the classic tai otoshi
That's one that surprised me. It's one of my favorites.
There's probably literally 2 examples of a short person scoring uchimata against a tall person in the Olympics. S tier coolness... but sucks if you're against someone taller
I thought they were going to sneak makikomi under koshi garuma, but nope. They left out my favorite throw.
@@ffbear8078 Yeah, those are two big ones that shouldn't have been skipped.
Did I miss arm drag? Not really a throw but it is my favorite deescalation technique. Nobody hits the floor but you have great control when you are done.
I work with sick people who are sometime confused. No throwing allowed. Arm drag is perfect.
For me a single leg to some kind of trip/sweep always worked amazing. I'm usually shorter than most of my opponents. Once I pick up the leg their is so much I can do with it, usually just a step through drive puts them down but if they counter that I'm ready for a sweep, or to even slide my hands to the ankle and just sprint forward while throwing his foot above my head if I have enough room. I was never a double leg guy. I had good success with a single leg and if i didn't get the guy down I was typically still standing where as a failed double leg seems to put you in a bad spot more often. Sure you may eat a strike or two while working the single leg but if you are cautious, good and fast you will get it 75% of the time and if the guy is committing to his strikes you will have an even better chance. If you are working hard you won't give him much time to get off any good strikes anyway. I don't have the best fight/grappling record, I won a couple medals though, no traditional wrestling experience but I was able to take down university team wrestlers and some of the best pro top (3 mma) guys in Canada in lower weight classes 145 - 135 with single leg variations. I was walking around at 155-180, depends on the time, and I have used single legs to take down 260 pound juice monkey's that were beginner grapplers or UFC level MMA guys in my own weight class. It always worked for me in training, fighting, grappling and even self defense situations. In regards to Judo take downs they work very well if you don't know the guy is a judoka. My #1 training partner back in the day who was a high level mma pro started doing a lot of Judo, but I knew it and knew he was going to be trying it so I kept my hips away from him but if you don't know ya you are going down hard.
you guys are so great, subbed to both your channels. keep up the fun and informative content. love it.
Single leg, head n arm throw, and front headlock were my shit in wrestling. I also love the monkey flip. Was never really good at double legs and even worse at ankle picks.
Single leg master racee. You can turn it to other things too.
A drop tai otoshi is certainly among my favorites for gi training. Snap downs to ankle picks are satisfying as hell, as well as single to double leg. Also, if you’re getting guillotined on your doubles, you’re not controlling their legs as you fall. You move them across after you begin falling, in a way that would land you in side control. If you’re across their body, they won’t finish a guillotine, and you’re less likely to land on your own head.
What an honest list without S.
Everything has counter play.
Lol, glad you brought someone in. I was thinking, what do you know about take-downs?! Ah ah. Nice vid, throws are cool.
Uchi Mata is one I use quite a bit because even if it fails it sets up the ankle pick or knee pick.
Back up plans are key!
it's very high risk high reward though.
One of the harder Judo throws to learn one leg up good Kuzushi. Coolness factor: epic. Risk. High. Practicality. Yeah if you can do side kicks then you can also do uchimata but everyone knows side kicks dont work. I have to go with C Tiet with uchi-mata 🤷🏻♂️
@@casparbosch5615 absolutely. Every throw/takedown has risk, some more than others. It comes down to the amount of time you have put into the takedown you are attempting. For me its decades which is more than a lot of people so the risk for me to do this throw combo is less than a white belt doing a Ouchi or Ogoshi. Most Judoka have that one throw that they really specialize in just like a lot of JiuJitsuka have that one position or submission they specialize in, mine is Uchi Mata and I can show plenty of follow ups off failed attempts, ankle pick, knee pick, kouchi gari. The key is pick a throw and then have plenty of combos off it because after about 6 months one throw attempt won't be enough it will have to be fakes and combos.
@@tusccountyjiujitsu uchi mata is a very nice throw for that for sure, specially since it can be done woth sleeve and lapel grip. I'm still working on it though, but now with corona I haven't been able to improve much... I like seoi and sode as well, since they work off of 1 grip.
Another point for the suplex, it can break a non-grappler mentally. You're duking it out and a dude your size got behind and man handled you through the air onto your neck/back/knee base, and your opponent will put you where he wants you to end the fight-if it isn't over already.
Best takedown:
So you're a martial artists.
Yeah, I do Taekwondo.
That's nice. And does that help you with your martial art?
You’re going to see that line in one of my next videos. That’s gold
@@SenseiSeth Hehe, that's made my day. Well, let's face it, my 2021 so far!
Ankle pick as F tier is the one I just cannot see. It is low risk, high reward, as long as you have the person off-balance first by forcing them to take a step forward so they naturally posture backward. Even if you miss it, you are low and inside, with opportunities to either back up or strike. As for coolness, you duck down and the other guy is suddenly on their back, so that is pretty cool in my book.
Ankle pick should be at least A-tier, if not the only S-tier.
Hey Seth, I have UFC 4 on ps4. Do you want me to make you a character on the game?
Haha heck yea!!
just remember not to put any kind of sideckick whatsoever
@@vittocrazi YES
Hey, it's the guy who beat Bazooka Joe in that virtual championship! Subbed XD
Already follow Shintaro, and while I have to agree double legs have issues, against people without training they are really, really practical.
Tomoe movie friendly?
That’s the move of CPT James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise!!!!!!
Hahaha true that
Awesome video and chemistry between you both. Oss, sawade Krap 🙏
Where’s the Imanari Roll at!?
S
In leglock land
D tier, there's a reason you never saw them in Pride and only UFC
My mind was blown for the double leg talk. Another point I’d wanna add is that the DLeg would be A-S tier IF YOU’RE in the same weight class. But according to your criteria a B is perfect
That’s a good point!
I used to wrestle in highschool but I was crap at it because I was young and had no idea what I was doing.
It’s good to have experience with many different takedown concepts....I think that’s one reason wrestlers are so dominant in scrambles.
Seems like the drop/snatch single should be S-tier seeing how it’s almost a universal counter to a throw.
Blast double vs double.
It’s the League of Legends ranking system for me
Hahah
I love how you can tell he knows he’s talking to Martial Arts Royalty ❤️
Shintaro’s hair is “ELVIS & Kenny POWERS LOVE CHILD” i am quite jealous. I am bald.
Mid 70s Elvis to be clear .... the white Gi is very Vagas Elvis’ conquistador jump suit like in this video.
His hair is beautiful
@@SenseiSeth it really is. Looks like black silk
Shintaro is hot!
Lmfao. Embrace your baldness, brother. It’s the style for grapplers. Any hair longer than four inches is gonna get grabbed in a fight anyway.
Military martial arts ranking tiers would be pretty sick.
When I saw the thumb nail I almost thought that was Han from Fast and Furious
Would have loved to see:
Fireman's carry (fairly easy to learn, flashy and great against both grapplers and non, plus no guillotine risk) - A tier
Duck under (not that useful against non grapplers but easy to take the back for rnc) - D tier
Arm drag (easy to get back control for suplex / rnc against a shoving opponent, low risk, easy to learn, but not flashy. More of a setup to takedown than a true takedown though) - b tier
Low single (medium diff to learn, medium risk, very effective against grapplers and non, but not flashy) - c tier
Coming from a wrestler, the double leg could become an S(in my opinion) because it can be one of the hardest takedowns to defend, as well as(mentioned in the video) if you just transition from a traditional double to a blast double, the guillotine risk is almost zero
Blasting on concrete or pavement... Dude they're your knees but I feel like you haven't tried a blast takedown off a mat before?
@@BuildinWings i don't hit my knees on a blast
@@J.Kuhn2025
Then frankly you aren't "blasting" in a way that you think you are.
@@BuildinWings if it works it works
@@BuildinWings literally just look at mma blast doubles you arent hitting your knees
the ankle pick where you drop down and press your shoulder below the knee is so good... just really good, like from a scrambling position to someone trying to stand up.. it's great.. just need to be quick with it
Best take down? Just ask Michael Bidping
S tier: Left Hook
This was so fun to watch!!
we want part 2 hehe like tai otoshi harai goshi tani otoshi sumi gaeshi firemans carry...
One key factor to the Tomo Nage's coolness is the armbar transition when the throwee is over the thrower's head
Suplex is at 15:00 ;)
Haha is that all you wanted to see??
@@SenseiSeth lol
Judo is so fun! There are some similar takedowns between Americanized karate styles so that makes it easier, especially if you wrestled in high school!
I’d love to take judo!
No Uchi Mata? Isn’t it a turn throw where you sweep someones thigh with your thigh?
Missed a couple good ones I’m sure!
Uchi Mata is fun!
@@SenseiSeth well, there are dozens of techniques in the official syllabus. so its kind of expected to leave some good ones behind (looking at you, harai goshi)
This was so good. Thanks so much!!!!
Just subscribed to shintaro since he seems like a really cool guy
He’s dope!!
So glad I've stumbled across your channel awesome content have been bringing all day will definitely be subscribing thanks for all outstanding uploads big shout out from Aus 🇦🇺
Thanks!!
Hey Seth, haven’t been here in a while!
What’s up!!
@Seth-Not Much, I’ve been watching a lot of Bruce Lee and came back! No Regerts!
Just gonna leave out Harai ogoshi?? I am commenting preemptively, though. I just found this channel the other day, and I really love it. Great content. Cheers!
Yea we had to leave a couple out. Thanks!!
As a wrestler seeing an ankle pick so low is weird.
🤷🏻♂️😂
Damn I really enjoy these videos. Well made, especially with a nice guest
I've found that one of the best takedowns is "Your father never loved you." :p
Best comment!
founding father of American MMA and record breaking wrestling coach here...the best takedown in history is the slideby to backtrip AKA tani otoshi...I use a russian 2 on 1 to start the series, it's all about the risk-benefit analysis
Just a mediocre former high school wrestler and this + low risk ankle picks were all I did. I was extremely boring to watch, but I could beat people that were much more talented and experienced than me
Fascinating. I have done TKD over the years and a little Judo and LOVVVVVE it.
Double legs are the easiest takedowns to defend. Like literally. This is the basic takedown in modern wrestling and we teach how to defend it like day one
Hmmmm.. I wonder how it ranks then?
@@SenseiSeth haven't got to it yet. Was just referring to the preview where he's talking about the double leg lol.
I was foreshadowing 😉
@@SenseiSeth you have four shadows?
I'm sorry, I will leave now
@@douglasmacneil4474 yea I’ve put on some weight, extra shadows come along
Cool video. Foot sweeps have to be the coolest looking takedowns.
this is the guy from tokyo drift right?
They all Look the same to me too
Great video. Really enjoyed this.
*ranks ankle pick low* "shut up before I ankle pick you"
Ikr? 🤣
This is some wholesome brosome content right here