METALLICA Orion - Old Composer Reaction and Breakdown - The Decomposer Lounge
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🔥WOW, thank you all for cluing me in to the fact that that "growling sound" I thought could have been a B3 was CLIFF!! Unreal....
He was an absolute genious on that 4 string!
It's a shame Lars and James don't like bass much. It's always really down in the mix, with the exception being The Black Album. Their other instrumental, "Call of Ktulu" has Cliff doing some wild things on the bass with his wah and effects but a lot of it is drowned out in the final mix.
Geebz, do yourself a favor and look up the isolated bass track for this song. It’s on RUclips, and it shows the incredible range of sounds and textures Cliff contributed to this song. A lot of the portions I assumed were guitar are actually Cliff’s bass.
You know 2 of those solos were cliff distorted right? You never comment on that in the video
@@crashwelder5337 Actually, I didn't - it was my first listen and I thank you for telling me !
"Pulling Teeth" is Cliff's instrumental off of Kill Them All. It's an all time bass classic!!!!
This is a must Geebz!
Really shocked it took me so long to find someone mention Anesthesia!! Kinda crazy!! 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Yes he needs to do this
I know I'm the odd man out, but I think the distortion on Pulling Teeth goes too far and ruins it.
Made every guy in my school want to play bass lol
They had 2 other instrumentals from the 80's, the Call of Ktulu & To Live is to Die. You should definitely react to both songs at some point, i regard them all as some of Metallica's very best music.
Anesthesia pulling teeth
Suicide and redemption has always been underrated to me. Mainly cuz of that sweet hetfield solo towards the end before Kirk's solo. Great stuff
“To live is to die”has THE most beautiful intro to any metal song, my personal favorite Metallica song!
Anything without James singing is great. 😂 Without drums (or with a better drummer really), would have been even better. 🤣
Shame they always buried the bass in the mix, would love someone to remix this and bring up the bass.
@Big Homie Steve The Metal Head Death Magnetic is in a weird place in their discography. After the last few albums had just about demolished their legacy as an epic band, this was the first step on the path to redemption. For all its good songs it still couldnt erase the disgust people had for St. Anger at the time. Even now when I think of that phase of their career i still have trouble separating it from the dogshit they had been putting out for the last 20 years lol
The bluesy part in the middle was written by the late Great Cliff Burton is a waltz that he put in for his Father Ray so could have something to dance to. THIS SHOULD BE FOLLOWED UP WITH DAMAGE INC. AND THE TWO SHOULD BE LISTENED TO AS A SET JUST LIKE QUEENS WE WILL ROCK YOU/WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!
I always liked to think of the beginning of damage inc as the secret ending to Orion
It just feels perfect
I'd never realized it, but yes, that is totally a waltz I now I can't hear it any other way
Please do damage inc., its the pinnacle of Metallica's thrash era
“the middle of Orion is a waltz” has just blown my fucking MIND
Not necessarily
I think that "B3" is actually Cliff's bass. The solo that starts at 13:34 is also Cliff on bass, if I'm not mistaken.
Yes, it is cliff's bass.
That portion is guitar, the whole section before his pause is the bass. It becomes a bass and guitar duel after your time link.
The unholy organ of Cliff Burton DAMN. It’s okay to think that… The arrangement cliff was able to build with his bass is nuts. It’s why this song is so legendary. God bless metal.
Multi effect chains used. It can be done on both bass or the guitars. It’s a great sound . Gets the blood pumping
@@icaanul that link is cliffs bass solo. I learned it on my bass for that reason.
My absolute favourite Metallica song, also a classic in making people go “wait that’s not a guitar?”
The intro is either a bass, or an organ/synth, there’s a lot of debate over that, but it’s apparently Cliff either way
The lead line at 3:20 is Cliff
The clean interlude starting at 8:00 is Cliff
And finally the solo at 13:34 is Cliff, this song combined with Pulling Teeth really makes it clear why he has inspired so many people to get into bass
Even though Orion is a masterpiece and extremely important song to me, my dad and my relatives, you *need* to listen their other fully instrumental piece: Call of Ktulu (Cthulhu is mispronounced intentionally).
Both versions, the original and the S&M version which was performed with SF philharmonica so insanely intense and creates the perfect atmosphere when the inspiration for the track is H.P. Lovecraft's pantheon.
EDIT; At the end of the song you said how the Orion must have been a blast to see live. Well, they played it first time live waaaay way after. Robert Trujillo was the first bassist Metallica gave permission to play it live. Personally I've seen Orion once live and I won't be lying, I cried.
they played Orion/Ktulu/To Live in the 90s as an instrumental jam, so Trujillo may have been first to play it all the way through but they definitely have played it before
Agree. He needs to check out Cthulhu.
*misspelled
Skip the S&M version and listen to the original. Most of the S&M stuff can be safely tossed in the dumpster
There is an isolated bass track on YT, and you can hear just how much Cliff is actually playing...it's hypnotic to say the least.
This is one of my favorite instrumentals, from one of my favorite albums. This song, you can definitely put on some good headphones, close your eyes, forget all the problems in the world for a bit, an let the song take you on a journey.
It's still Metallica's best album (to be frank, I haven't liked any after Justice), and a true masterpiece of heavy music in general, as well as one of the best thrash albums ever. It's iconic!
@@iDEATH I agree. It is Metallicas best album. From start to finish, it is a masterpiece.
Yep,Master and Ride
My favourite album of all time. I bought it accidentally, as a 13 year old, in 86 because I liked the art work. Never looked back lol
Fitting in: a song called Welcome Home (Sanitarium) is on the same album. Originally that and this song had been one song but record producers felt it's too long so the song got chopped half. Listen to Welcome Home and continue with Orion and you'll understand what's the song is about and experience the whole journey!
Yup, search Metallica "Only Thing" on RUclips and the original demo will come up. Also, listen to Sanitarium, Orion, and Damage, Inc consecutively. ;)
Timestamps for Solo:
5:22 Kirk
8:22 James
8:40 Cliff (Playing a part written by Kirk for guitar actually)
9:08 Kirk
Dave Mustaine*
@@Jayyy667what are you talking about
Wrong. He did not contribute to the Master of Puppets album. As much as I love Megadeth and Mustaine, his contribution was null after Ride the Lightning. @@Jayyy667
@@Bjarki2330 Right. The hills ran red is leper messiah, deny it all you want Lars
yeah, as much as I adore this song, it always felt it was about a minute shorter than it needed to be with that early fade out. Still, this song sends my spirit into the stars.
I just love the way your head starts bobbing the moment the guitars come in. Just like us in 1986 when this came out. I remember getting it on the day of release and doing exactly the same thing when it hit my turntable. Was lucky enough enough to see it live in the September just before we lost Cliff.
Unfortunately, they didn't play this live for nearly two decades due to Cliff's death. It was actually a huge deal in the mid-00's when they finally started playing it live again for the 20th anniversary of Puppets.
For his bandmates to trust Robert Trejillo with such a hallowed composition must have been the greatest vote of confidence in his musicianship, probably ever. And from the performances I've seen, I say he's ably carried on Cliff's legacy.
You should deconstruct the whole Master of Puppets album from front to back.
Yes please
Or "BACK TO THE FRONT"...🤦♂️
@@Thedaysdecay no you didn't
🤘 🤘 Cliff showed me glory of bass distortion, fuzz, and wah
The waltzy/bouncy riff section with Cliff leading the way is my favorite Metallica arrangement out of everything they’ve done. Masterpiece.
In the darkest of moments that part will remind you there are beautiful things in life.
No harmonizer in the middle section, it's a 3 track harmony lead and a clean track doubling the bass (all James) 👍
The 'guitar solo' at 13:32 is the bass btw 😁
Yeah as pointed out they have an instrumental on the Ride the Lightning, Puppets, and Justice albums. For me Orion is an example of the more grand composition style that was basically the entire Justice album (my favorite incidentally). That whole album is song after song written almost like concertos with movements. And in Orion you get the exposition/statement of the theme, then the slow movement in a triple meter, then recapitulation.
I watch your channel a lot but I must admit there's something even cooler about your videos when you go into 'famous' songs like these. So satisfying to see you break it down
Orion a big masterpiece but Geebz for me The call of ktulu, another masterpiece but more RPM fast and brutal and for me the 4 guys is more turbo mode like Orion, big hugs from Brasil.
Never gets old. Once it starts I have to listen to the whole thing and remember what it felt like as a teenager hearing it for the first time. (Lead into Damage, Inc.)
Orion was part of Welcome Home Sanitarium, made into two distinct songs. James Kirk and also Cliff, love Thin Lizzy and harmonized guitar parts were always part of their arsenal. For the rhythm guitars, they used layers to "thicken" it as per James in the interview
This song was my anthem throughout high school, just a legendary tune. CHEERS Geebz🤘
I actually got my first guitar and bass on the promise to my parents that I would learn all of James' and Cliff's parts from the entire album in 30 days or I'd let them sell the instruments. At this point they'd already spent money on me learning numerous instruments, playing sports and skateboarding. I quit everything but music to focus on that goal. I blew out my fucking forearms doing it. But I fucking did it.
Because, it's hard to play metal on a classical acoustic. I was still in elementary school but songs like this carried me through all of my childhood.
@@SuicidebyYourMom that's awesome to hear mate! The power that music can give us is amazing, I'm glad you you followed your goals. Keep on rocking
@@EcoXpress11 I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Keep on rocking, as well🤘
Well said! It was a fav of mine in HS to drive around to at night. I always loved that Damage Inc followed this track. Something about the shift between the two always hit me.
@@kornsin damn right, the empowerment of blasting these masterpieces at night with windows rolled down and engines revving never fails to satisfy.
The whole intro and the deep sounds you describe are down to Cliff. He had a unique bass sound he achieved with a modified bass guitar with additional guitar pick-ups. It allowed him to play "lead" bass in some parts.
This was one of the first songs i taught myself on bass guitar. So many good chord changes, and the bass guitar break towards the end are fuckin mind blowing. Nice work Geebz.
I don't play bass, just some guitar, but it seems like this one is quite an advanced song to be one of the first ones to learn? I don't know, I just imagine myself starting with stuff like Come as you Are, Paranoid, Since you've been Gone, Smoke On The Water, aaand then let's move on to Orion :D Did you learn a particular section or the whole thing?
@@lukefender94 Oh yeah when i say it was the first song i learned, it was the first FULL SONG i learned. I had been tinkering for quite a while before that. You know leaning intros and stuff like that. I wanna say i learned the bass breakdown first, then the intro, then the rest of the song. The second and third songs i learned were Money by Pink Floyd, and The Trooper by Iron Maiden lol
Just learned to play this on bass and it was one of my goals when I began. Music is just awesome 🤘
8:03 when Geebs suddenly goes 👀that's all of us the first time haha. Can't wait for you to do another Muse breakdown, by the way.
Orion was never played live due to Cliff's passing.
This song is so amazing. I saw that smile pop up when Kirk's solo started at the end of the song and I laughed. No matter what, that dude's solos put a smile on my face too.
Still here through it all.
Hey, Great reaction man, i really enjoy it. I think you have clicked on some version of the song that is overdriven, or too loud, because is no headroom in this mix. That is in no way the mix that the original album has. I think is some fan upload. That's why you can't hear in detail what Cliff is doing, or even the rest of the band. Anyway, I enjoyed your reaction, and I think it's great to find people who know music and are talking about it on youtube. Thank you! Greetings from Argentina, South America
One thing I really appreciate about your channel is actually the volume. So many reaction channels seem to be afraid of being too loud(I mean you can always turn it down but up has a limit). So particularly when playing content or playing a video game the volume is so low I have to turn the volume all the way up to hear the dialog or song, and in the worse cases, their dialog is too loud then. So kinda dumb but I really appreciate your well balanced volume.
3:58 Geebz I pulled the same face as you the first time I heard that rhythm shift back in the day. Nice little nuance huh!
Man your channel is so fun to watch. Seeing you really listen to the music and analizing is something i didnt find anywhere else. Thank you for that. Very eye-opening. It makes me appreciate my rock even more.
I don't know how should we recommend music for you. I have something very surprising for you to give it a shot. Its a great band from my homecountry that i think will impress alot of folks.
If you decide to give it a try, look up Cargo - Ziua Vrajitoarelor (the day of the witches) 1998 version. Just my 2 cents.
RIP Cliff. Would love to see you check out more Coheed and Cambria soon! I feel like you’ve barely scratched the surface with them. Maybe check out “In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3”? Also Dream House by Deafheaven would be a very fun reaction. Keep up the great work Geebz!
Heard an interview with Lars saying how the guys from Rush came to one of their shows around this time and Cliff was such a huge fan he refused to see them before they went on, he was too nervous...and the Metallica guys credit Rush with giving them the confidence to go for these longer more experimental tracks. Awwwwight!
Glad you went for this! I still remember being blown away by this number way back in 86 when I bought the eagerly awaited album. I’d never heard anything like it before - a mix of metal, classical and a little nod to jazz via the time signature changes. Thanks for all the brilliant work you do in helping us to appreciate great music for what it is ❤️
This song makes my hair stand up even when I play it just in my head, I’m not even lying. It’s so pleasing
OMG first time listen!!! Yeahhh let's go, I'm so psyched you're listening to this 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
You should check out the acoustic cover of this by Rodrigo y Gabriela. They're amazing
Mastodon also did a solid cover
Absolutely.
Acoustica did a solo fingerstyle rendition that was pretty good. This is from a little over ten years ago, although the date was changed after they made the video public (it was private before). You can see that it’s a decade old by looking at when the first comments were made.
ruclips.net/video/OgmwbrFdzX4/видео.html
You tapped into such an interesting part of music with this series, every video out is a delight
One of the best, if not the best instrumental metal track of all time.
That bass intro man in this instrumental….is to die for 🔥🔥🔥🤘RIP Cliff
yessssss, I've been waiting for this thank you
IIRC, the opening "organ" is Cliff's bass in two layers, while his regular track starts with the guitars after the drums plays them in. Cliff also plays that tenor riff over the first tempo change. Cliff is all over this baby and it is probably my favorite piece of music ever.
They've done 4 instrumentals (3 if you don't count To Live is To Die since there's a small spoken word segment toward the end).
One of my favorite songs as a teen! RIP Cliff Burton, Rest in Power.
Not sure if anyone had mentioned it yet but there are other mixes I've heard here on RUclips. They turned Cliff way up and I love it!
I recommend their other instrumentals as well. Thanks Geebz for all the music you've helped me hear with another perspective
No need to apologize for mistaking the band members, it's all good. You are reviewing bands every day
Thank you for reviewing Orion, this is somehow Cliff's biggest legacy in Metallica's discography.
When you get the chance to discover a new band: Dir En Grey - Vinushka will blow you away :)
I've no doubt you've already been informed that Cliff was a virtuoso and scholar of fine music. About as talented and brilliant a musician as you'd hear of any genre...
I listen to vast array of music from metal to electronic and dub, to straight rock, but Orion is, was, and will always be my favourite tune from any band or artist, ever. The very soundtrack of my life. Just a brilliant piece of music, composed by a brilliant musician.
#ripcliff
Don't let the negative folks get to you, dude. You do a great job, and not everybody can know every band.
It's silly to think otherwise.
Thanx for doing one of the greatest songs of all time. As big as metallica is to this day, this song shows how great they could have been if Cliff hadn't been stolen away so young. RIP to one of the greatest bass players of all time. Love metallica and love your vids , thanks again
Cliff was amazing just to see how damn skillful he was you must see him play for whom the bell tolls live in the 80s its a joy to watch the true bass player rip like a god he way taken to soon and was way ahead of hes time
They did 3 others instrumentals : Anesthesia (Pulling teeth), Call of Cthulhu and To Live is to Die.
To Live is to Die is actually a tribute to Cliff, released after his death. The song has a heart-wrenching middle section, very melancholic, that Cliff is said to have written but never recorded (hence the tribute from James, Lars and Kirk). I would strongly recommend you check this one out !
4, suicide and redemption
You need to do 'Call of ktulu'. Its probably my favourite Metallica song. Its an epic journey, you can actually feel the ancient evil rising from the sea!
Those Cliff "waaahs" really bring everything to life. Definitely a must-hear!
Love this song and the fade out to Damage Inc is perfect. Listen to them back to back and trust me, it is worth the journey.
Thank you for your time and efforts. The songs you cover I grew up loving but your knowledge and insights bring new appreciation to them…. Thank again you sir!!!!
There are parts of this album where James layers the same part 6+ deep. Such a precise player, that it sounds like a harmonizer.
Rich the Ancient Metal Beast
My understanding is the drone at the beginning is a distorted bass guitar.
The guitar melodies are just multi layered during the middle section.
OMG this band and those riffs back in the day- used to go to sleep with this in my earphones
Oh Ffs… anyone who gets mad because you unintentionally get a name wrong is a f’ing loser. You should not have to apologize man. Awesome reaction by the way😍rock on🤘🏻
That off beat drum change up, love it!
Just saw them play this live a few weeks ago in St. Louis. Sounded amazing!
I was 16, Sophomore year, got to school and had no idea why people were litterly sobbing, still breaks my heart.💜
Thank you for doing this one! So psyched to see it and get your take. Cliff’s bass and songwriting here is so epic. And that bluesy groove??? 🤯🤯🤯
I love your approach to these reaction videos, so many other people pause the track way too often that it becomes jarring, but you let the track sit longer, we can see when you’re digging something, and when you do pause it’s for a longer and more considered commentary
Great analysis. Cliff was extremely talented, taught the rest of the band harmonies and structure. Metallica's music was never the same after Cliff died, until Robert joined. And, Lars is a good drummer, not great, but good.
Thanks for posting one of their best songs from their best album
Jason was amazing it's just the band kind of treated him like shit.
@@sarahwolfe1154 And the first two Flotsam and Jetsam albums prove that Jason could write good material, but in Metallica he didn't get to write almost anything.
New to your channel. Still remember hearing this for my first time back in the 80's. I like watching the way you react through your own lens.
"I personally would have loved to have heard a little more of [Cliff] in the mix"
Welcome to the club :)
Always nice to hear back these classics with you. The call of Ktulu has also some sick bass underlay
One of my favourite Metallica tracks from my favourite Metallica album, there’s a couple of pieces in this track that people don’t always realise is actually Cliff playing on the bass, I’m pretty sure there is a quote from Cliff where he talks about the base solo he plays right after a guitar solo and how he thought probably no one will notice it but it’s there.
Such a legend of a song. One of the first tracks I wanted to learn on bass back in the day!
To live is to die is my personal favourite instrumental of theirs. Great reaction 👏
Yeah dude yeah dude yeah dude yeah dude... been waiting for you to do this one. I named my son after this song... it's a true epic masterpiece.
Cliff had a solo, it's hard for people to pick out but it was coming from his custom Rickenbacker Bass with a hot pot'd guitar pickup cut into the body. Super sick stuff.
Everytime I hear Orion l sing along my favourite riffs in advance of them happening along the song.
Great choice! Thank you, Geebz. This has always been one of my favorite Metallica songs. There's also a lot of nostalgia tied to this whole album for me, as I'm sure is the case for a lot of people; space cruising with the buddies blasting Master of Puppets...
That whole middle section starting with cliffs bass riff is absolutely magical. The bending notes from the guitar solo and subsequent emotional build. Definitely my favorite piece of music from Metallica.
Call of the Kthulu will blow your mind, absolutely maniacal bass playing on that one
The harmonizing guitars in the middle is just..amazing
I really enjoy watching you react!!!!
This was 1 of the first Metal Albums my mom bought me when i was a teen. 1 of the Greats!
Oh ya Geebz! Circle back to Metallica!! 🤘🤙
The Daily Doug did a awesome break down as well not too long ago. This track is just gold. There's several other instrumentals from Metallica that you need to look up. To live is to die is probably my next favorite
That beginning part Cliff doing a down rake with his fingers across his bass strings
TO LIVE IS TI DIE & DYERS EVE ARE A GREAT COMBO TOO....
You brought up that "artifact" during the low swing of the song. Yeah, I think that is, in fact an artifact of cliff's fingers gliding over the strings. Very glad they didn't remove that sound in post-production. Also, you may want to check out "Call of Cthulu". It's not on the level of Orion, but cliff really brings the aquatic wail of Cthulu to life!
The beginning is Cliff doing a down rake with his fingers on bass
Has the haunting sounds
Your reactions are always so fun to watch! Keep it up!
You haven´t done any recent Metallica, right? If you do, then I highly recommend "Spit Out The Bone"!
Check out what they are still capable of doing, I think you will be suprised ;-)
Steam Powered Giraffe - Honeybee is an interesting piece. I stumbled upon it the other day and have listened to it at least 50 times since then.
Also at the middle section Cliff recorded two different bass tracks. One playing the back rythm and the other track is doing the third harmony of the guitar melody.
the ultimate metal theme, without a doubt, and my signature on my work as a designer
Man, I have waited so long to see you do this video, and I was not disappointed :)
The real shame about this masterpiece of work, is that Cliff never actually got to ever play it live, because I know it would have been killer.
For a great, and clear, example of cliff's talent at what he can make the bass do, check out "(Anesthesia) pulling teeth" or the tribute version performed at S&M2 (Symphony & Metallica) by Scott Pingle, where Scott used an electric symphony bass, and recreated Cliff's pedal board to achieve a true sound to the tribute he performed :)
May I humbly suggest "In Flames"? I'd love to listen to your breakdown to any of their songs and as the band is fairly influential it should be a good fit for the channel, I believe. Thank you for your un-ending stream of entertainment! :)
Cloud connected, or trigger would be sweet
The snare was a Ludwig Black Beauty 14 x 6.5"?? borrowed from Rick Allen from Def Leppard, which was also on the Pyromania album.
My music world was blown away when I found out what the bass was doing here....
We loved your reaction to "Brachiosaurus" but think you should have done it on this channel.
How about reviewing "Terror Birds", "Allosaurus", or "Megalodon"
Keep up the great work!
Lars does get the job done, still imagine what someone like Mario from Gojira would have done with this song.
Probably would over play
Lars gets too much undeserved shit. Yeah, his playing isn't that great, but if you look composing credits on the Metallica classics he is pretty much involved in every one of them (with Hetfield ofc).
Loved this! Would want to recommend Dissection's masterpiece "where dead angels lie".
15:07 Oh, but they only played live for the first time when Robert joined. Many years after Master of Puppets, sadly :) But mainly due to Jason's sense of respect for Cliff.
A great breakdown, as always!
if i'm correct they never planned on playing it live but when rob joined he pushed and pushed to play it live and when they did you can see how much respect he has for cliff playing it!
@@dead_frets I think it's something like that. The first time they played it was with Rob and he did have a lot of influence. I think that Jason didn't wish to play it, as he saw it solely as Cliff's song.
my brother in law was friends with them and cliff was the band leader.he was only who new music theroey.my favorite song :)
Orion is far and away my favorite song from Metallica, and I will always maintain it's criminally underrated.
I love when Cliff comes in with the bass solo and what I can only describe as the crying guitars after the little drum build up.
It still gives me chills to this day every time. Hearing it, playing it, doesn't matter. I just love it so thoroughly.
Edit: I also feel like this sorta jamming thing and layering and building the sound so organically while never having the song be predictable is what laid the foundation for bands like Tool to really thrive and put it all out there and experiment like they do on their later albums.
That first time change feel in the beginning...which is the outro riff, is also Cliff's heavily distorted bass stepping out front of the guitars