How To Shoot Sporting Clays With Gebben Miles (3x PSCA Tour Champion)
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2018
- Want to improve your shooting technique for Sporting Clays?
Gebben Miles will explain you how to get a proper shooting stance and a better focus on Sporting Clays targets in order to break more of them.
Then we will see what are the differences between sustained lead and swing through, what are the most difficult targets to shoot and what are the most common mistakes of Sporting Clays shooters.
Finally we will talk also of Sporting Clays shotshells, of course! ;) 
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I started skeet shoot a year and a half ago, getting a coach from day one was huge, cause they showed me what gun to buy and why I should buy one with an adjustable comb and then helped me set it up perfectly, I’m a pretty good shooter now and recently beat my coach in an nssa comp for doubles and regular skeet, we are in different classes obviously but it did feel good to win the match and I’m getting better every competition
0:43 Proper Stance
1:44 Target Acquisition
2:46 Gunspeed = target speed
3:44 Soft hold of gun
4:20 Sustained Lead Method
5:47 Swing Thru Method
9:45 What are the most difficult clays?
12:12 Correcting a bad stance
I just recently got into clay shooting have been doing fairly decent at it aswell. Though I see allot of areas I can improve upon after watching this video. Very well spoken and easily understood thank you!
Great video Gebben. That helps me a lot. I have the exact same stance as your student. White knuckles, and very restricted. This is going to change my shooting style tremendously. Hopefully breaking more targets. Thank you very very much.
Happened on this video while searching for something else. Shot around Gebben a bit down at the Ben Avery facility in Phoenix AZ. He was already in Master Class when I first met him. He is the real deal, and is a true gentleman! Great representative for the shooting sports industry.
Really good video. I enjoy watching you shoot at the completions too! You show up on a few!
excellent video.
well spoken, to the point, and good examples.
thanks for posting this
Thanks for this! A friend of mine is going to be shooting clay's with us for the first time this weekend and I have been searching for a decent video she can watch before we take her out there so she can be somewhat prepared. I wish your shots were clearer but otherwise great video!
Well paced with great information! Calm instructions
Thanks for the time taken dude
Great tips! Very interesting video!
Thank you I'm from South Africa and these videos helped my sister greatly
watched this like 10 times, so many great tips..
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Due to cervical neck injury, my competive shotgun days ended many years ago. My instructor was a guy by the name of Dempsey Davis. He was a world skeet shooting champion, world class live pigeon champion and exibition shooter. If I'm not mistaken, he was also the first person to brake Herb Parsons record for most hand thrown clays broken in the air, shot individually with pump shotgun. He started me out with a pigpong ball in the grass about 10 yards away and a daisy Red Ryder BB gun with sights taken off. The site taken off was so I could learn to focus on the target and never the gun. Once I could hit it continuously, he moved me on over to the skeet range. While he insisted that all outgoing, incoming, quartering and close targets should be swung through and blotted out (the swing through method) he preferred to teach sustain lead on most standard crossing targets. After he had me consistently running clays on the skeet range, he started working with me on the sporting clays course. Sporting clays had just started to appear at that time and I fell Immediately in love. It was here that he really helped me polish my long range shotgunning with a method called pull away. It was primarily used on extreme long crossing shots. He had perfected this method during his many years of live pigeon shooting across the Globe. You basically got on the target, rode it for just a second so that your angle would be on same flight path as the target and then pulled/accelerated ahead of it rapidly until your brain told your finger to pull the trigger. His theory was this acceleration gave you the benefit of stretching the shot string more than what you could using sustain lead and it kept you focusing on the target instead of trying to check the end of your gun barrel to see if you had the proper distance. I used this method on crossing doves and ducks.....and if I told you some of the distances I've connected on them you would probably call me a liar, so I'll just say they we're extreme. So extreme, you see the target impacted 2 or 3 seconds after your hear the gun go off. That man knew more about wing and clay shooting than a lot of pros could learn in 10 lifetimes. I remember talking to John Kruger one time at a sporting clays event and he told me if Dempsey would have accepted high level sponsorships in his day, he would have been just as famous as Bob Bristor and the rest of the old timers....but he always refused, he said he was in it for the fun and not the money. Ole Dempsey finally passed away a few years back and he has truly been missed. He taught me a lot about shotgunning, but the most important thing he ever taught me was that basic shotgunning is not that hard once you learn it. It's mostly hand eye coordination and timing. His most famous saying was " Just imagine your gun as a paint brush, focus on your target and let your arm reach out there and brush through it and then your brain will enjoy watching it fall from the sky......"
Chad Mcswain what happen how did you injury your neck? Did you get surgery? I have c6 herniation
Chad Mcswain Cool story, almost fell asleep reading it.
Hey man not sure how severe your neck injury is but I’ve seen this man save many lives full of pain and discomfort. I’ve seen him change peoples lives around completely. Going to go see him in April.
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@@topwater4427 was hit head on by drunk driver..... ruptured C5 and 6 and it damaged my spinal chord......
Great video! Several things I need to work on.
Thanks Aaron, we're glad you liked our video!
Gebben, viewed your video and appreciate both your critique on stance, soft hands less body tension. Blue skies, Jg
Novice shooter, just getting to the stage where I realise what I'm doing, hitting more stuff. Gun grip part of video is good advice, that's where I need to improve. Thanks
Hi @pjr1525, thanks for your comment and feedback to the video!
We're glad you found it helpful and we must say that a lot of the credit goes to our shooter Gebben Miles.
He is great in explaining complicate issues in a simple and clear way!
Great instruction by Gebben!
Great Video!
As a newcomer, this video has pointed out MANY things I was curious about .. Gonna go & look for some B&P Ammo..
Hi Mike, thanks for your kind comment! We're glad you liked our video and if you need more info about our shotshells feel free to reach us at:
info@baschieri-pellagriusa.com
We will answer you as soon as possible!
Have a nice day :)
@@baschieripellagri1425 i did clay shooting for the first time last summer and enjoy it i hit 5 out of 30. Found out im left eye dominant how do you stay focus on the target
Great bit of tuition - thank you! :-)
Thank you! We're glad you appreciated our video :)
A awesome video thank you for the tips I’m gonna try them
Great vid ty pretty much all the same lessons my instructor showed me but that was only once and cost $50. This is repeating that bit so my brain can really soak it up.
super helpful video!
Nice video. What are your thoughts on choke tube selection, do you change your tubes during a round for a particular target? Thanks
dude, you are the god of shotgunning. great tips.
Over and Under shotguns are awesome, great video.
watching videos like this are very helpful!
as much as everyone will laugh... I recently got my SGC and went shooting for my very first time.... Purchased a box of 200 cartridges.... and.. urgh... I missed every single clay..... :(
I made sure i was in a good stance, A stance that i felt very comfortable in... I have great upper body movement, and that felt very natural to me.. My main issue was leading ahead of the clay, to give the lead time to reach the target.... How much lead, Is something ive still got to figure out...
I have wanted my SGC for a very long time.. Most of my life infact... (im 33 now)... and only recently got accepted for it..... As much as i love the sport..... I must say.. My very time going on a day shoot.. Ended in massive disappointment :(
I'm assuming that is a Kreighoff Gebben is using? I've shot skeet, 5-stand, and sporting clays for years. I've never had a lesson, and I guess you could say I'm a pretty typical weekend shooter. Some times I do pretty well, but most of the time I perform on the mean.
I've used O/U's and I've used SA's. I settled on buying a SA because the perceived recoil with a 1 oz shell is negligible for me. One thing that I think makes a difference in all wing shooting, and something that he touched on, is actually SEEING the target. It took me a long time to understand what that actually meant. You can look at the clay screaming across the sky without seeing it. Locking onto, and really focusing on the clay, has made a huge difference in my hit ratio.
Thanks for posting this video. Look forward to more. I've not heard of your brand of shells, but I'll certainly take a look at them if they are available at the major retailers. NOT Dick's of course..
Great Video Gebben, have picked up lots of tips already, can i ask, do you aim with both eyes open? Thankyou
Love this video I've only started first session as a fifty year old.
really interesting
Nice tips.
Thanks For Sharing!
Hi, we're glad you appreciated our video!
Have a nice day
This is really great footage for my son what would be excellent is using shotkam footage on the shots
Excellent video, Thank you for that. Both of us being long neck shooters, are you still shooting the Pro Sporter because against my better judgment I’m seriously considering trying another high rib, and the K-80 Pro Sporter
Nice work thank you.
Hi La Voltare! Thanks for your comment, we're glad that you like our video :)
Very good video. B&P really need to work on their slow motion camera as that would actually show the clays being hit and Gebben's sustained lead and swing through methods, neither of which show very well here. When the slow motion is used later in the video, the mind can process what Gebben is talking about. Great information on set up, hands, foot position, focus - things even, or especially, those who shoot a lot often forget to review in their set up. With some tweaking, this could be a first rate teaching video. Well done Gebben.
Hi John,
Thanks for your comment and your feedback we really appreciated it!
We agree with you, unfortunately there weren't the best conditions to film but we are pretty sure this will not be our unique video. We still have a lot of things to do and show! Keep following us on our RUclips channel :)
Agree. Great tips, but you have to shoot clay's videos with the sun behind the shooter so the viewer can see the clays. It's hard to see the difference between sustained lead and swing through.
Finally a company that makes cartridge that are slower than the norm, more people need to be aware that speed only increased recoil, makes patterns wider/worse and make very little if any perceived difference in lead
Hi Jake,
Thanks for your comment! You touched a really important point about target shotshells.
From a starting point we can say that an higher velocity, keeping the same lead load of course, means an higher technical recoil which depends indeed on gun weight, shells load and their muzzle velocity.
However considering shooters feelings things may be slightly different. Every shooter shoots and perceives recoil in a different way for this reason we often use the term "felt recoil".
This means that there are many solutions to shoot fast shells and at the same time reducing the felt recoil (not technical). One of these is our Gordon case which acts like a shock absorber and it's albe to dissipate the recoil energy. In the video Gebben explains what are the final results related to different shells velocities.
Finally some shooters may be more comfortable with fast shells, others with slower ones. It all depends on the personal shooting technique. While considering the ballistic performances it's clear that an higher velocity requires high quality components and a careful study of shotshells ballistic parameters. For example it's essential to use high quality pellets often with added antimony and surface treatments to avoid deformation and special wads to guarantee homogenous and regular patterns.
If you're interested about this topic we suggest you to read this blog post:
blog.hunting-spot.com/.../fast-or-slow-shells...
If you need more info feel free to write us at:
info@baschieri-pellagri.com
Have a nice day!
Given the superior quality of the components being used today, as opposed to old style fiber wadding, it is not necessarily true that faster speeds result in blown patterns. With hard round shot and modern components it is possible to build VERY fast loads today that pattern well. At the speeds typically used in sporting target games it is true that perceived lead isn't much different, but faster speeds deliver more energy at the target. At fifty plus yards that extra energy can be the difference between a solidy broken target and one that merley gets 2 or 3 holes punched through it and continues to fly. Gebben's choice of 1 oz of 7 1/2's at 1300 mirrors my own. An excellent combination of hard hitting, soft recoiling, and good patterning in the 12 gauge.
Woow this is the best video I've seen in Long time !😎😎
Thankyou I Learnt some.
Amazing and clear. btw....which gun u have there?
I've been shooting for years and have achieved good results in some matches. However I'm self taught and didn't find out till recently that I'm left eye dominant. As a right handed shooter this is problematic. I'm going to learn to shoot left handed as spotting the second clay is letting me down. Any advice on how to adapt to shooting left handed as it feels so unnatural. Also checking eye dominance should be #1 tip. If I had learned to shoot left handed as a 10 year old kid (when i started shooting) I could in theory have been shooting at a high competitive level.
😮😮😮 this video is fantastic!
Watch it break😂 Damn that gun is smooth😮 one thing I’m curious about is how to have the stock in my shoulder. If I tuck it in my shoulder I can’t get low enough to look down the barrel. If I bring it up high on my shoulder I can see down the barrel, but it’s like the stock is too high. Idk maybe I don’t need to see perfectly down the barrel/bead as I try to do
Very good video thank you very much
Which gun model are u demonstrating in the video
I cant stop staring at that gun long enough to hear what he is saying, that thing is beautiful and EXPENSIVE
That is a very cool gun
It is a kreigolf k80 I think
@@laytonelam7313 personally I think it's ugly but I guess I'm an old fashioned traditionalist.
Are the Baschieri & Pellagri F2 Mach Target Loads CA7T02MAC011, 12 Gauge, 2-3/4", 1 oz, 1300 fps, #7.5 Shot, RELOADABLE? Great video. Thanks
Hi Which O/U shotgun will you recommend for beginners on sporting clays?
When shooting the clay target, is it correct to have the barrel rest downwards before pull then start aiming when released? or is it okay to pre-aim before pull released?
Hi , on this video. which choke tube you used to shooting the clay : IC, M OR F . THANKS
Does anybody know's if the new video of Gebben (Basics) is the same as the previous one (Quiet Dust)?
Outstanding choice selecting Gebben Miles as a spokesperson. He speaks well but there are a number areas where the video can improve. I agree that the slow mo and frame bracketing could improve. From a marketing perspective the packing in the close ups should have been selected packages that were super clean and perfect as possible, Always put your best foot forward in promo videos. I have more thoughts if B&P would like to contact me. PS I had a chance to shoot a box of B&P last week at a tournament and they are impressive. I would recommend them highly.
Hi Roy,
Thanks for your comment!
We really appreciated your feedback about our video. We filmed it during a Gebben's training session with our B&P Team in Italy before the 15th World Compak Sporting Championship and we took the chance to make something useful for all shooters who are passionate about this shooting discipline.
Of course there is space for many fixes and improvements and we will keep them in mind for others video tutorial.
Keep following us!
Have a nice day
Good skills. Wish you use a gun camera to show leads and slow motions.
I have a rubbed barrel should I hold under the clay?
Hey Gebben you should have used some of these techniques last year at the One Box Pheasant hunt and Grant and I might not have beaten you so bad!!
Thanks for the tips. Anyone know what brand/model of shooting vest he’s wearing? Looks great!
Castellani
Great job every hint was on target. Thanks God bless
I always was told and always try to have my foot pointing at the kill zone
do you keep it off the ground for best results.
That is more of an aimed rifle shot for me. Or a down the line stance, where a foot forward stood me raising the gun. I was taught a soorting stance was more where the kill zone is in-between your two feet. Ie the point of maximum comfort... Facing forward
Great video, what length barrels on your kreigoff? That wood 👌
Do you prefer using a 20 gauge or a 12 gauge for shooting trap. Would you kindly let me know which you prefer?
Interesting stuff and if I shot that type of discipline it might be useful. But I shoot DTL here in France and have my left foot (I'm right handed) at twelve o'clock and have some spring in my knees. The again I shoot clays that are going away from me so aim right at them. I am fairly good being in the top ten percent here in SW France regions of Haute Vienne and Dordogne.
Come to America and get in to it here, worked great for Nicolas Berry going from France to California and he’s quickly becoming of the top sporting clays shooters around.
Actually it was Sam Snead that used the Baby Bird metaphor on golf grip. Just saying. Great info on Sporting Clay shooting !
very useful thank u
Hi Praveen Kumar! Thanks for your comment, we're glad that you like our video :)
Great job , enjoyed the video, take care buddy. God bless
Ten thousand thumbs up!!!!!!!!!!
This is just Dustin Johnson going incognito with glasses and a hat. He's toying with us by talking about golf
dustin johnson only goes for white powder, not black powder
Respect
I guess when you only go twice a year it’s hard to get very good but it’s a lot of fun anyway. The place we go are mostly in a woods setting it’s more realistic like hunting rabbits and grouse
great!
What length barrel are your shooting?
Thanks
what about chokes? what choke are you using in this video?
What's the best choke
Difficult to see the pull away and sustained lead shots.
I Would like to see you show us Robert Churchill’s instinctive method. I am unable to do it, but I can’t make it work for me.
Does anyone know what make and model he's using?
This is a good video. It would’ve been even better with a barrel cam on a lot of the shots. He does not mention anything about chokes
If you want low recoil but high velocity, here in the uk I shoot gamebore evo 24g with a 1430fps rating.
Question. If you cut down a shotgun barrel to make it a truck gun, do you still have to get it reamed and set up for 3" magnum slugs or would the barrel still handle the pressure.
Totally not sponsored
Hi Fletcher, no, it is! :)
All joking aside, we absolutely love working together with our shooters. Gebben has a natural talent in clay shooting coaching. He keeps all simple and effective, providing fun and enjoyment for watchers also.
On our side our people work hard day by day to provide shooters top quality ammo to fully enjoy every broken target at the shooting range. In our "sponsored video" we just wanted to show these two things at the same time.
Some may not like it, but it's part of the game. And most important it drives us to do better!
Have a nice day
Baschieri & Pellagri I respect the hell out of you guys for this beautiful reply
Nothing in this world is free. Or look at it another way, if you could make a deal that is mutually beneficial for all parties involved, wouldn't you?
does a higher speed cartridge mean a smaller lead
Anyone else not see the target at 11:55?
What chokes are you using and for what yardage?
Skeet choke or modified
How can you shoot sporting targets with a rifle type stance( side on ) It must limit your movement, I just dont get it.
It allows your body to swing more naturally . Point your lead foot in the area of desired breaks.
How many years of practice or training required to be pro and represent in olympics double trap shooting🙂??
Why do all the pros use an Over / Under, when a Semi-Auto is much softer shooting ? Other than having 2 different chokes and a shorter barrel(s), what advantage is there to an Over / Under ? Seems to me like most people just like the "look" of an O/U or they like that it cost more and assume it's "better".
They are usually lighter and often better balanced, and easier to unload if a problem arises with a trap. Easier to "prove safe" as well. No difference really in the "felt recoil" when all clay shooting is with 28 gramme cartridges (and some with 24g) .All boils down to personal preference really.
Not all shoot O/U shotguns. Checkout Scott Robertson, Diane Sorantino and many other top shooters use semi-autos. Basically Its a personal preference.
I'm not a sporting clays guy(yet) but as a trap shooter and youth coach, I can point out a free differences. Actual trap guns are going to be heavier and better balanced, absorbing percieved recoil as well if not better than a semi-auto because it's also smoother. No feel of the secondary motions of the action opening and closing. Also, if you're a fast doubles shooter or shooting international where a follow up shot is allowed, it is possible to over run your trigger, meaning you are on the trigger for your second shot before the bolt has closed and seated. Other things pertaining to comfort and safety on a range, its easy to guickly identify an over under being unloaded and clear because when moving about they are kept action open. Sporting and Skeet guys don't have to deal with this, but on a trap line, being beside a guy with an automatic that doesn't have a shell catch as absolutely annoying and distracting, especially if they start hitting you. And when shooting doubles you can't use a catch anyway. You may want to shoot one barrel instead of another on the fly for instance. You can set up targets coming in/out from different distances. One may have a break point 30yards out, the other at 60 and the order may switch. It's nice to be able to select which barrel and choke you want to shoot first. Especially in an Annie Oakley lol. Nothing like knocking the 2 guys ahead of you out on a 65 target just before it hits the ground. Many reasons, some more important than others. But the hefty price tags are due to quality. Brownings, Berettas, Perazzis, Kreighofs... Those guns will shoot thousands of rounds per year and keep ticking. The lower cost guns, many coming out of turkey these days, will hold up under much less demands but are also not as refined, robust internally or hold resale value as well. Everyone has a preference, but there's a reason most dedicated clay shooters of all the disciplines gravitate toward O/Us. Good luck out there.
I shoot sporting clays competitively and own both a semi-automatic and O/U guns. In shooting both, I find that the O/U's additional weight (better balanced I might add) moves better to the target. The semi, while a nice gun, feels whippy and less controlled. Adding weight helped, but it just isn't the same. Those factors combined to better fit lowers perceived recoil to just slightly more than my semi-automatic. Further, there's the reliability factor. Semis, by their very nature are more complicated and are more prone to failure. Lastly, maintenance: O/Us are just about as easy to clean and maintain as it gets. Semis are more difficult to clean and, for me, require cleaning more often. And yes, I use different chokes in my O/U but rarely, if ever, change them in competition.
Thanks for the detailed reply... I've still never shot an O/U but, I'd love to try one. I've held some in stores and the semi-autos have always just felt better in my hands. So far...
Gebben is grade dude
Really needed to keep the camera behind you when talking about sustained lead and swing through. The editing kept switching to a view from the side which is pointless. So it was difficult to appreciate where you were picking up the target and where you were shooting.
you keep you eyes in the birds always?
and can we close an eyes?
you don't aim a shogun you point it. if your mount is correct it will shoot where you are looking so you keep both eyes on the target.
Can anyone of you form a sentence?
why do you use the 1oz as opposed to the 1 1/8oz?
I assume because he competes in Europe so it just makes sense to use 1oz everywhere to stay consistent. also 1oz is easier on the shoulder in high volume shooting
Less felt recoil avoiding to not have to readjust. It also depends on the gun.
Please stay in.
I've been shooting shotguns since 1985, and I still can't hit a clay target. Is that normal? By the time I finally see the fast-moving target; then try to calculate speed, angle, & distance; then try not to look at my barrel or bead; then try to keep both eyes open . . . the clay is long gone.
The Shotgun wood is the most important point. You must check that with the gun firmly held, the pupil of the eye is in the center and above the line of sight. IF it doesn't happen you must take the weapon to a good gunsmith and have it aligned to your shouldering technique and your shoulder, chest, neck and face anatomy.
The best way to get better is to shoot more. The more birds you see broken the better you’ll break the birds.
Is trigger discipline a consideration?
Like Kirsten Joy Weiss teaches?
"Hello guys, it's a wonderful day out today, and I was thinking there would be no better use for it than to show you all the traditional pass-time of shooting clays! Here are a few gentle tips that I've come up with to help out all of you welcome newbies out there..."
*BADDUM BADDUM BADDUM BADDUM BADDUM DUM DUM, RAAAAAAAAWK*
If you shoot at a broken clay is that considered a miss?
No. Some people do for the “wow” factor and try for it but most elite shooters do it to let hand eye muscle memory take over.
Love shooting archery and guns
It would be nice if you either did away with the music or at least turn it down so that the level of music would match the level of the man's speech. It is annoying to have to reach and lower the sound then turn it back up again.