The idea of Mephisto wanting Aunt May's Wheatcake recipe had me laugh lmao. Its such a small thing, but I could totally imagine a character with such power obsessing over such an insignificant thing.
I know this answer is a bit late but there is a hilarious panel in Hellboy that I was reminded of as soon as Tiffany mentioned Mephisto aching for Mays wheatcake recipe. Its a view into Hell and all the devils and demons are wailing in agony. Astaroth(Hellboys uncle comes in) and is like "TF going on here?" one of the demons approaches him and is like "Hellboy has eaten the pancakes." and Astaroth has this bleak expression of shock and says "Truly this is the darkest day of Hell."
I now regularly quote that line in casual conversation because of Ethan. In fact, many ways in which I talk abt comics incorporate several of his catchphrases….here’s to hoping he won’t patent them and cost me money in the process 😂
I love how Back Issues is a show where the more terrible the comic the better the overall episode as everyone is just in disbelief how this got printed.
10:14 I know it was a joke but... I think Jim Carey could kill it as Mephisto lol. The man's range is amazing. Imagine a playful sometimes wacky mephisto that can at the drop of a dime turn calculating sinister and mocking .
@@Beaze17 oh yeah I agree sal sometimes just makes perfect casting choices what makes jim Carrey as a choice even better because he has the ability to make devil faces and show silly evil with absolute ease
Peter, a million times over the course of their relationship: ''You know, one of Mary Jane's biggest qualities is her strength''. Mary Jane, written by a hack: ''I'm not strong enough for you''. Peter, also written by a hack: ''Well that checks out''.
When I saw Dan Slott say MJ is antithetical to marvel I almost blew a head gasket. It's like marvel as a whole doesn't understand suspension of disbelief or subjective view points. My wife isn't a super model but i sure as hell see her as one. I feel like that was the point behind her character.
This back issues is already gotta be a classic. The jokes are on point and you’re clearing up a big mess regarding no way home. Other comic channels just retell a story, but you guys add jokes and opinions that are entertaining in their own right. I’m shocked you guys still don’t have a million subscribers
Lol that cinder block part remindes me of people arguing about Venture Bros "Brickfrog" with people saying "Getting hit in the head with a brick fucking hurts"
I may be biased as a Spider-Man fan but this is an all time classic Back Issues. I've rewatched your One More Day ep many times and I can't wait to make a double feature of these eps
“Hey here’s a great idea, let’s change one more day’s mephisto deal to make it so that the deal never happens, but mephisto still makes the deal.” Thanks Joe Q
Well Sal said we wouldn't expect the comic for FFH tie-in and he was right. Btw 'I hate Mondays but love Garfield' is now one of my favorite Comic pop moments
Comic books that mess up marriages. Batman doesn't marry Catwoman, Kitty Pryde doesn't marry Colossus, Peter Doesn't marry MJ. I think we should see an episode of that. Editors are horrible to married or soon to be married couples!
I would watch an Elsewords Exchange where Sal and Joel as you editors have to bring back popular couples who were given similar One More Day treatments.
Writers and editors have these weird ideas that married couples can't have interesting relationships, you can't have new love interests and the readers can't relate to them. Good writers can write interesting couples with interesting dynamics. Add on creatives who want the comic how they remember it and comic characters almost never go anywhere. It's why spin offs and alternate versions can be more interesting they can develope and change and have a complete story.
I can't wait for you guys to do Sinister War. A story that starts with Strange confronting Mephisto about what he did with Peter's soul and Peter is ready to pop the question again. but then a new Co-writer from the Slott Era comes to "help" and now it's about someone else's soul for zero reason. Peter forgets about the ring, and Ben Reilly is Spidey again....
Matthew Rosenberg, the co-writer, wasn't from "Slott's Era". Slott was off writing Ironman and Fantastic Four while Nick Spencer was Spider-Man head writer. Dan Slott's only involvement with any Spider-Man properties during that time was helping with the video game story, helping Christos Gage with Spider-Geddon, and probably writing a few one-shot stories here and there. But the Spencer era was the most hands-off he had been with the Spider-Man books since his Spider-Man/Fantastic Four mini. Slott gets a lot of shit, some deserved, some not. But he is entirely blame-less for what became of Nick Spencer's run at the end, as he had no influence (that we know of) on the direction or the results of that story. Matthew Rosenberg had been working on X-Men before Jonathan Hickman started the Krakoa Era. He was brought in genuinely to help Spencer on Spider-Man during the Last Remains arc (the first big Kindred story) and had been helping on and off until Sinister War. That's the time period he was pretty much co-writer for every issue. My speculation and theory was he was initially brought in to help Spencer with the workload of having so many mini-events within the Amazing Spider-Man storylines. Once Spencer's plans to leave (and possibly undo One More Day, *but that's just a rumor*) became clearer, someone at Spidey Editorial put their foot down, reigned in Spencer, cut his ideas and forced him to cram his long term story into a shorter run, with the Sinister War mini series to fill in any gaps. The story went from having a snail pace, to all of a sudden throwing so much shit in at break neck speed, that the last issue of the Kindred story starts contradicting things it had already set up an issue before. The whole thing is still shrouded in mystery. All I know is, something went wrong between Spencer and his Spider-Man run and some significant plans changed. Would love to see a back-issues episode try to make sense of all of this. But if Sal and the gang were to cover "Sinister War" they would also have to cover the Amazing Spider-Man story that was running perpendicular to it. Those issues were so closely tied together, it felt like Sinister War was just an extra issue of the main Amazing Spider-Man book. It only exists to tie up all the loose ends that Spencer had laid out previously in his run.
I don't even understand the argument about being embarrassed in front of their friends and family. Their wedding was going to be a civil ceremony anyway. It was peter and M.j's friends and family that planned literally every aspect of their wedding
I was rewatching the One More Day video and saw Sal mention how they were never going to do One Moment in Time, so I had to come back here to laugh about that
That last bit. About something you hate and don’t think should exist but can’t deny the creativity that did come out of it and the new fans it brought into the community…. That is exactly how I feel about the New 52 and everything afterwards. I can accept it now and appreciate some of the stories that came out post-Flashpoint. What a well put sentiment, Sal.
I don’t think anything came up creatively that was a direct effect from the undoing of the marriage. The one big story would be Superior, since Ock has his own love interest. I think most fans just want the marriage back. 90% of media outside of the 616 universe has him in a relationship with MJ
I met Straczynski back in 2019 at a con (remember those??) And I was able to tell him how he wrote one of arguably the best modern Spiderman runs. And that despite the last issue of OMD, the story itself was beautifully written. I told him how much I loved the way he wrote Spidey and Strange and would have loved to see more. I think he was really taken aback.
What I find interesting is that in the original printing if you look closely she says “you will make me remember everything” which is then inverted and layered on itself, then in the story it’s retconned but once again re retconned in nick spencers arc when she tells kindred “he doesn’t remember” meaning that at least MJ supposedly remembers their marriage
So something I just realized is that Aunt May was the one that set Peter and MJ up, so wouldn’t it be funny if she somehow knew that she’d be fatally wounded in the future and the only to save her was a relationship as strong as theirs would be sold to Mephisto, so she set the two of them up on a blind date as “life insurance” in the future? Haha… wait a minute…
I personally think that Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse (2018) did the whole unmarried Spider-Man thing much better. Like maybe if you wanted the marriage to end you could've done an arc as to the reason why Peter and Mary Jane split up is because she wanted kids, and Peter was too scared. Then maybe they could've had him building up their marriage again! Take notes by watching this video, Joe Quesada.
This is one of the things that made me abandon reading comics for a long time. Changes and changes taken to the worst. Until recently a got back into reading. Thank God for indie creators
Every time you guys talk about the marriage, I think about how utterly pointless it is to make Peter feel young when we've had major films and videogames entirely about Miles being the young Spider-Man while Peter deals with a different life and continues to grow.
It became pointless about a decade later when Miles hopped universes. It may have seemed like a good idea at the time to clean the slate but we didn’t really get any good relationship stories out of it. Remember Carlie Cooper? I don’t think most people do
even NOW marvel has ANOTHER young spider guy (SPIDER BOY) And they still want Peter to be a manchild that has no long reationships. What was the point of undoing the marriage if there are more young spider people. Like Peter stopped being a young super hero in the 70s , like 40 years of being an adult super hero and then OMD, OMIT and BND happens.@@superjlk_9538
I’m almost sure there’s an issue right before One More Day where Peter goes to prison and threatens to kill Kingpin if Aunt May died. Why would he then hire someone to go to the hospital and kill Aunt May when he knows Spider-Man would just come after him? I guess Quesada never read that issue but you’d think an editor or someone would catch that.
The fact that Joe quesada wanted to do this in the first place is crazy but to have a talented writer like JMS come up with a timeline of very important Spider-Man events to change so that the marriage never happens and then to tell him they don't need to explain it Yes you do it's a major retcon and personally to me keeping up with the current marvel Spider-Man stories Spider-Man hasn't really felt like Spider-Man in a long time in my opinion and I know this has been said before but I wish they hadn't retcon the marriage having Peter and MJ grow was something that made the books interesting in my opinion
JMS was even going to bring back Gwen Stacy too, but there was a big debate in the spider-office and at Marvel and they decided not to do so. I kind of wish they did at this point honestly since we’ve gotten mediocre relationship stories ever since
It boggles my mind how stupid Joe Quesada must think we are as fans. I stopped reading superhero comics altogether after One More Day. Its like once the veil is torn it cant be repaired. Now everytime I look and a Marvel or DC book all I see is marketing.
I suppose the comparison with the new film to One More Day that people are making would be, if I had to guess, that by having everyone in the MCU forget Peter's identity it would essentially hit the reset button on a lot of aspects, somewhat like what One More Day did. I think the fundamental difference is (aside from everything you very accurately mentioned) One More Day undid decades worth of development and important events which was unforgiveable, literally resurrecting characters etc., No Way Home would essentially put Peter back to where he was at the beginning of Homecoming in terms of his social life, where there's not been much he's gone through yet that would be fundamentally changed, at least from what I can tell. All I can think of is his relationship with MJ and having a couple villains who hate him but can't exactly remember why (pretty sure a lot of what made Adrian Toomes compelling would be gone, and god knows how Mysterio would work assuming he's still alive). We've had a lot of people find out his secret identity in the MCU even before the ending of the last film, but I feel they've done very little with it, his relationships with Ned and Aunt May didn't seem hugely changed once they found out, so I'm curious about how his life will change if his identity is in fact erased from everyone's memories. Either way I'm curious
Breaking the Marriage cuz "I dont like it and i want to revamp spiderman to the way I remember him" is getting waxed on your chest levels of pain. Now they are trying to "ease" it over by making you pay PER hair with this whishy washy excuse is criminal. Also Spiderman going from one girl to a l l of the girls reminds me of those silly writers who like break the whole house while backing up their scooter.
i never really hope creators of these stories watch Back Issues, but man, i hope Quesada watches this for at least 10 minutes of this episode. he needs to understand how responsible he is for the worst Spider-Man story of all time 😆
I'm surprised Quesada still has a lot of fans. Even his best artwork from looong ago is just kinda okayish to me. I truthfully have more respect for Dan Didio and other mediocre creators, etc.
I haven't had laughed so much out loud in months, probably years. Definitely one of my favorite back issues episodes. Just such a great show, you guys are amazing.
Ah Spider-Man one moment in time the awful sequel to one more day and destroyed peter Parker and Mary Jane characters for a literal decade god I hate this storyline so much because of how bad it’s especially for destroying both Peter and Mary Jane marriage for garbage.
@@faherty87 there was a story line called “sins past” by straczynski, where it was revealed that Gwen had kids and they wanted to kill Peter for abandoning her, and them. At first it was believed they were peters kids, eventually we find out that they’re actually Norman Osborns kids, Gwen had cheated on Peter with him. That was the jist of it anyway, this was all retconned in nick Spencer’s run during the kindred storyline, and almost retconning one more day in the process
@40:03 When the heart stops even CPR won't get the heart to beat again. You can only do CPR if the heart is in fibrillation. Hence a defibrillator is used to get a heart beat.
I'm glad that the MCU seems JUST aware enough of how dumb of a story this is to ABSOLUTELY do it in a different way 😭 There's almost no way MJ remembers Peter is Spiderman at the end of this 😞
Books like this and One More day are what made me give up comics for years. That being said it's fun looking back on them in a show like this Keep up the good work gang
This is so weird. The past couple days I just randomly watched your videos on One more day and then Renew your vows and then on cue this video comes out today?! Super strange timing!
This book embodies everything I hate about Spider-Man. And the fact that Marvel doesn’t let him move past this makes it really hard to like him in modern comics.
Comic writers have this really bad habit of wanting to wind things back to how it was when they were readers. Many comic readers hate change. Between these two they get stuck in rut and real change or character growth is rare and often not lasting.
It's amazing how many character assassinations Spidey went through in the middle of 2000s and is actually still one of the most popular characters... What is even funnier there is only 2 Spidey movies where there isn't MJ and even then it's Gwen... Which tells you exactly how popular Felicia, Betty or Liz and especially Carly actually are.. I started reading Spidey in mid 90s and I still go out of my way to re read older issues, even the clone saga but I'm still to re read OMD and I have not read OMIT or Brand new day and I doubt that I'm the only one
Mary Jane leaned in to whisper her truth to Mephisto:
"There are 3 Jokers"
Gorr was right
Hail HYDRA
Caesar is home
Just stick to the cards
Promises are meant to be broken
Sal: "marriage is for losers"
Tiff: *stares blankly at the camera*
Time stamp??
Between this and that Mondays joke she might be reconsidering this whole "marriage" thing lol
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“I hate mondays. But I do like Garfield” Damn I’m stealing that one
I laughed way too hard at that one. The delivery was magnificent.
I don't get it?
@@jonathangetachew1522 more like getaclue 😏, I got your r/whoosh right here buddy
@@captainvimes6079 thank you, I was afraid I lost my r/whoosh you're a life saver.
Tiffany's reaction to it had me dying too. Sal is an absolute madman.
Mephisto is so evil that even people reading the comic hate it when he shows up.
You're damn right!
😄 brilliant hahaha😁
99% of the time this is true
It's like when Molecule Man decided to help Spidey in the secret war just for some burger
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Ikr
Spider-Man: Let Me Die is one of the best comedic pitches with a grim undertone that I've heard in a long time 😆
“I hate Mondays. But I do like Garfield”
-Sal 2021
Not even a minute in and this back issues is already golden
I love how Tiff stared at him as if he just kicked a dog
I love how every time Sal mentions Straczynski, he has to put a button on it with, “creator of Babylon 5”. That’s never not going to be funny to me.
The idea of Mephisto wanting Aunt May's Wheatcake recipe had me laugh lmao. Its such a small thing, but I could totally imagine a character with such power obsessing over such an insignificant thing.
I really want this canon just mephisto is messing with peter for that recipe is great
I know this answer is a bit late but there is a hilarious panel in Hellboy that I was reminded of as soon as Tiffany mentioned Mephisto aching for Mays wheatcake recipe.
Its a view into Hell and all the devils and demons are wailing in agony. Astaroth(Hellboys uncle comes in) and is like "TF going on here?" one of the demons approaches him and is like "Hellboy has eaten the pancakes." and Astaroth has this bleak expression of shock and says "Truly this is the darkest day of Hell."
I thought it said weedcake... I was like "aunt may!?"
@@punkpinata7062I thought your were making shit up so I googled it… I gotta read Hellboy
@@elderrusty541 You won't be dissappointed. it's a great read through and through.
"Spider-Man, Let Me Die" is the fallout of the "Goblin-Smybiote War". ComicPOP's Spider-Man run is gonna be awesome.
Might as well be a sequel to Spider-Gwen...Verse
@@radiak55 you mean Spider-pocalypse
I can't believe we're only forty seconds in and Sal's made a godamn Garfield joke.
I love how often Ethan has to restrain himself from quoting Nero. "IT DID HAPPEN! I WATCHED IT HAPPEN! DON'T TELL ME IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!"
I now regularly quote that line in casual conversation because of Ethan. In fact, many ways in which I talk abt comics incorporate several of his catchphrases….here’s to hoping he won’t patent them and cost me money in the process 😂
I love when sals like "I hate this, let's talk about it"
I love how Back Issues is a show where the more terrible the comic the better the overall episode as everyone is just in disbelief how this got printed.
I just love it when sal rants his frustrations with horrible runs in comics especially Spidey comics 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Classic ComicPop.
Can't wait for the Reginald Hudlin series.
@@Benm701 yeah it's totally classic
10:14 I know it was a joke but... I think Jim Carey could kill it as Mephisto lol. The man's range is amazing. Imagine a playful sometimes wacky mephisto that can at the drop of a dime turn calculating sinister and mocking .
@@Beaze17 oh yeah I agree sal sometimes just makes perfect casting choices what makes jim Carrey as a choice even better because he has the ability to make devil faces and show silly evil with absolute ease
"aunt may in the trash can" had me laughing on the bus like an idiot
Peter, a million times over the course of their relationship: ''You know, one of Mary Jane's biggest qualities is her strength''.
Mary Jane, written by a hack: ''I'm not strong enough for you''.
Peter, also written by a hack: ''Well that checks out''.
When I saw Dan Slott say MJ is antithetical to marvel I almost blew a head gasket. It's like marvel as a whole doesn't understand suspension of disbelief or subjective view points. My wife isn't a super model but i sure as hell see her as one. I feel like that was the point behind her character.
Dan Slott is a moron.
I legit never noticed how OMIT is the word omit, meaning to leave things out.
Tiffany's face at the end when Sal and Ethan are talking about MJ being cool with Peter being with other women is priceless.
This back issues is already gotta be a classic. The jokes are on point and you’re clearing up a big mess regarding no way home. Other comic channels just retell a story, but you guys add jokes and opinions that are entertaining in their own right. I’m shocked you guys still don’t have a million subscribers
Lol that cinder block part remindes me of people arguing about Venture Bros "Brickfrog" with people saying "Getting hit in the head with a brick fucking hurts"
I may be biased as a Spider-Man fan but this is an all time classic Back Issues. I've rewatched your One More Day ep many times and I can't wait to make a double feature of these eps
“Hey here’s a great idea, let’s change one more day’s mephisto deal to make it so that the deal never happens, but mephisto still makes the deal.”
Thanks Joe Q
Joe Quesada, the only man that can make Liefeld look like a compe... The only man that can rival Leifeld's incompetence as a comic creator.
Well Sal said we wouldn't expect the comic for FFH tie-in and he was right.
Btw 'I hate Mondays but love Garfield' is now one of my favorite Comic pop moments
The comedic timing was so perfect
The sheer disdain on Tiffany’s face towards the end made the episode for me.
I love the look of disgust on Tiffany’s face when Sal makes that Garfield joke. Her reactions are always so on point and hilarious.
Sal’s rage is very relatable.
Comic books that mess up marriages. Batman doesn't marry Catwoman, Kitty Pryde doesn't marry Colossus, Peter Doesn't marry MJ. I think we should see an episode of that. Editors are horrible to married or soon to be married couples!
I would watch an Elsewords Exchange where Sal and Joel as you editors have to bring back popular couples who were given similar One More Day treatments.
In all fairness, did anyone actually want to see Kitty and Colossus get married?
Writers and editors have these weird ideas that married couples can't have interesting relationships, you can't have new love interests and the readers can't relate to them. Good writers can write interesting couples with interesting dynamics.
Add on creatives who want the comic how they remember it and comic characters almost never go anywhere. It's why spin offs and alternate versions can be more interesting they can develope and change and have a complete story.
It's not new either, Robin and Starfire we're going to get married until Raven turned evil (again) and ruined the wedding and the 2 just break up.
@Chandler Burse cause God forbid if Superman even looks at another woman...
Reading this story was perpetually waiting for a 15 second, unskippable ad before a 25 second video to end. I wouldn't wish that on my _worst_ enemy!
I can't wait for you guys to do Sinister War. A story that starts with Strange confronting Mephisto about what he did with Peter's soul and Peter is ready to pop the question again. but then a new Co-writer from the Slott Era comes to "help" and now it's about someone else's soul for zero reason. Peter forgets about the ring, and Ben Reilly is Spidey again....
Matthew Rosenberg, the co-writer, wasn't from "Slott's Era". Slott was off writing Ironman and Fantastic Four while Nick Spencer was Spider-Man head writer. Dan Slott's only involvement with any Spider-Man properties during that time was helping with the video game story, helping Christos Gage with Spider-Geddon, and probably writing a few one-shot stories here and there. But the Spencer era was the most hands-off he had been with the Spider-Man books since his Spider-Man/Fantastic Four mini. Slott gets a lot of shit, some deserved, some not. But he is entirely blame-less for what became of Nick Spencer's run at the end, as he had no influence (that we know of) on the direction or the results of that story.
Matthew Rosenberg had been working on X-Men before Jonathan Hickman started the Krakoa Era. He was brought in genuinely to help Spencer on Spider-Man during the Last Remains arc (the first big Kindred story) and had been helping on and off until Sinister War. That's the time period he was pretty much co-writer for every issue.
My speculation and theory was he was initially brought in to help Spencer with the workload of having so many mini-events within the Amazing Spider-Man storylines. Once Spencer's plans to leave (and possibly undo One More Day, *but that's just a rumor*) became clearer, someone at Spidey Editorial put their foot down, reigned in Spencer, cut his ideas and forced him to cram his long term story into a shorter run, with the Sinister War mini series to fill in any gaps. The story went from having a snail pace, to all of a sudden throwing so much shit in at break neck speed, that the last issue of the Kindred story starts contradicting things it had already set up an issue before. The whole thing is still shrouded in mystery. All I know is, something went wrong between Spencer and his Spider-Man run and some significant plans changed.
Would love to see a back-issues episode try to make sense of all of this. But if Sal and the gang were to cover "Sinister War" they would also have to cover the Amazing Spider-Man story that was running perpendicular to it. Those issues were so closely tied together, it felt like Sinister War was just an extra issue of the main Amazing Spider-Man book. It only exists to tie up all the loose ends that Spencer had laid out previously in his run.
When you can tell how bad the book is gonna be just by the thumbnail, that's the sign of a good time incoming.
Need Sal and Tiffany’s reaction to the recent trailer 😂
"That must have quite the cost..."
*disappointed stare into the camera*
I love this show.
Sal's Doc Strange's voice is straight comedy !!!
I don't even understand the argument about being embarrassed in front of their friends and family. Their wedding was going to be a civil ceremony anyway. It was peter and M.j's friends and family that planned literally every aspect of their wedding
I was rewatching the One More Day video and saw Sal mention how they were never going to do One Moment in Time, so I had to come back here to laugh about that
Just watched that video and came to this one to mention it 💀
That last bit. About something you hate and don’t think should exist but can’t deny the creativity that did come out of it and the new fans it brought into the community…. That is exactly how I feel about the New 52 and everything afterwards. I can accept it now and appreciate some of the stories that came out post-Flashpoint. What a well put sentiment, Sal.
I don’t think anything came up creatively that was a direct effect from the undoing of the marriage. The one big story would be Superior, since Ock has his own love interest.
I think most fans just want the marriage back. 90% of media outside of the 616 universe has him in a relationship with MJ
I love Tiffany's reaction throughout this video. It's basically: "The things I put up with on this show."
I met Straczynski back in 2019 at a con (remember those??) And I was able to tell him how he wrote one of arguably the best modern Spiderman runs. And that despite the last issue of OMD, the story itself was beautifully written. I told him how much I loved the way he wrote Spidey and Strange and would have loved to see more. I think he was really taken aback.
Nice. JMS really is my favorite writer for Spider-Man, though I will stay far away from OMD and One Moment in Time.
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 also sins past
Oh my god. That zoom-in on Tiffany's face thinking about the cost of magic...
Wait a minute Aunt May's intimidation stats should be through the roof as stated in a Spider-Man comic she's the only one who can intimidate wolverine
When mephisto does show up and scribbles his name over the M in the MCU I hope he does jazz hands. 👐🏾
Sal opening with an incredible Garfield joke. I can tell this is gonna be a fun one.
I want Sal cast as mephisto in movies. His mephisto voice is so comic accurate.
What I find interesting is that in the original printing if you look closely she says “you will make me remember everything” which is then inverted and layered on itself, then in the story it’s retconned but once again re retconned in nick spencers arc when she tells kindred “he doesn’t remember” meaning that at least MJ supposedly remembers their marriage
I need that one shot “Spider-man Let me Die” and with that exact cover you three described
So something I just realized is that Aunt May was the one that set Peter and MJ up, so wouldn’t it be funny if she somehow knew that she’d be fatally wounded in the future and the only to save her was a relationship as strong as theirs would be sold to Mephisto, so she set the two of them up on a blind date as “life insurance” in the future? Haha… wait a minute…
I want a What if where Galactus came back when Aunt May was shot and rekindles her Power Cosmic. Then she leaves Earth with him.
Another classic episode of Back Issues. Someone, please draw the cover to "Spider-Man: Let Me Die!"
I personally think that Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse (2018) did the whole unmarried Spider-Man thing much better. Like maybe if you wanted the marriage to end you could've done an arc as to the reason why Peter and Mary Jane split up is because she wanted kids, and Peter was too scared. Then maybe they could've had him building up their marriage again! Take notes by watching this video, Joe Quesada.
Best episode of back issues of 2021. Spiderman please let me die the one shot.
This is one of the things that made me abandon reading comics for a long time. Changes and changes taken to the worst.
Until recently a got back into reading. Thank God for indie creators
And thank God for image
Godamn the "Spider-Man: Let Me Die' joke was hilarious as hell.
Joe Quesada: "No, YOU'RE having an embarrassing midlife crisis bleed into your work!"
Mark Grayson and atom Eves relationship in invincible is what pete and MJ should be
Every time you guys talk about the marriage, I think about how utterly pointless it is to make Peter feel young when we've had major films and videogames entirely about Miles being the young Spider-Man while Peter deals with a different life and continues to grow.
It became pointless about a decade later when Miles hopped universes. It may have seemed like a good idea at the time to clean the slate but we didn’t really get any good relationship stories out of it. Remember Carlie Cooper? I don’t think most people do
even NOW marvel has ANOTHER young spider guy (SPIDER BOY) And they still want Peter to be a manchild that has no long reationships.
What was the point of undoing the marriage if there are more young spider people.
Like Peter stopped being a young super hero in the 70s , like 40 years of being an adult super hero and then OMD, OMIT and BND happens.@@superjlk_9538
1:13:55 Ethan's reaction is pure gold and so emblematic of the aunt may problem
I'm really happy Tiffany and I had the same thought to go "One More Time" XD
I’m almost sure there’s an issue right before One More Day where Peter goes to prison and threatens to kill Kingpin if Aunt May died. Why would he then hire someone to go to the hospital and kill Aunt May when he knows Spider-Man would just come after him? I guess Quesada never read that issue but you’d think an editor or someone would catch that.
The fact that Joe quesada wanted to do this in the first place is crazy but to have a talented writer like JMS come up with a timeline of very important Spider-Man events to change so that the marriage never happens and then to tell him they don't need to explain it Yes you do it's a major retcon and personally to me keeping up with the current marvel Spider-Man stories Spider-Man hasn't really felt like Spider-Man in a long time in my opinion and I know this has been said before but I wish they hadn't retcon the marriage having Peter and MJ grow was something that made the books interesting in my opinion
JMS was even going to bring back Gwen Stacy too, but there was a big debate in the spider-office and at Marvel and they decided not to do so. I kind of wish they did at this point honestly since we’ve gotten mediocre relationship stories ever since
Quesada was like "OMIT deez nuts!!! Hahaha, gotem!"
Sal's Mephisto laugh never fails to crack me up.
love that the retcon story's acronym would be OMiT
It boggles my mind how stupid Joe Quesada must think we are as fans. I stopped reading superhero comics altogether after One More Day. Its like once the veil is torn it cant be repaired. Now everytime I look and a Marvel or DC book all I see is marketing.
I suppose the comparison with the new film to One More Day that people are making would be, if I had to guess, that by having everyone in the MCU forget Peter's identity it would essentially hit the reset button on a lot of aspects, somewhat like what One More Day did.
I think the fundamental difference is (aside from everything you very accurately mentioned) One More Day undid decades worth of development and important events which was unforgiveable, literally resurrecting characters etc., No Way Home would essentially put Peter back to where he was at the beginning of Homecoming in terms of his social life, where there's not been much he's gone through yet that would be fundamentally changed, at least from what I can tell. All I can think of is his relationship with MJ and having a couple villains who hate him but can't exactly remember why (pretty sure a lot of what made Adrian Toomes compelling would be gone, and god knows how Mysterio would work assuming he's still alive).
We've had a lot of people find out his secret identity in the MCU even before the ending of the last film, but I feel they've done very little with it, his relationships with Ned and Aunt May didn't seem hugely changed once they found out, so I'm curious about how his life will change if his identity is in fact erased from everyone's memories. Either way I'm curious
I feel like one of Mephisto's names should be "The Red Pigeon", because he's shitty and seemingly everywhere.
for some reason i can hear Sal saying in a George Costanza voice "Ho ho Sal's gettin' upset!"
Breaking the Marriage cuz "I dont like it and i want to revamp spiderman to the way I remember him" is getting waxed on your chest levels of pain. Now they are trying to "ease" it over by making you pay PER hair with this whishy washy excuse is criminal.
Also Spiderman going from one girl to a l l of the girls reminds me of those silly writers who like break the whole house while backing up their scooter.
At this point I want the MCU to introduce Mephisto just so the internet can shut up about him.
OMIT is like that “if I did do it” book OJ wrote.
"IF". 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is one of the funniest episodes I've watched!!!
i never really hope creators of these stories watch Back Issues, but man, i hope Quesada watches this for at least 10 minutes of this episode. he needs to understand how responsible he is for the worst Spider-Man story of all time 😆
Stories plural 😂
Even if he did, he wouldn't learn anything. The man is too detached from reality. But I'm willing to bet that he would be angry.
I'm surprised Quesada still has a lot of fans. Even his best artwork from looong ago is just kinda okayish to me. I truthfully have more respect for Dan Didio and other mediocre creators, etc.
*Sees newest No Way Home trailer*
“Boy, it’s a good thing he got over people dying”
"One More Time" - Daft Punk
"One Moment In Time" - Whitney Houston
Clearly, the editors are Whitney Houston fans.
The fact that Aunt May lived long enough to be shot is astounding in its own right.
she gets a new health issue every other issue and the thing that does her in is a fucking sniper rifle.
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It's absolutely insane.
She's been in a state of decrepitude since time began and she gets done in by a Draganov.
Almost 100,000 subscribers!! Big time ✊
"Could you let me go now, Peter? I''d like to go see my husband now." Ouch. Tiffany with some hard truth.
Thanks for a great episode.
Everyone you love dies cause you don't love hard enough 💜
I feel like The Population should create a fun No Way Home Character Bingo card.
this was one of the few things i genuinely thought we'd never see on back issues. here we go
If I was Spider-Man I'd just bribe Franklin Richards to warp reality to do all the stuff
Sal - “I hate Mondays, but I DO like Garfield”
Tiffany - 👁️👄👁️
Ethan - 😶
lmaoooo that really hit the room hard when he said that hahahahaha
I haven't had laughed so much out loud in months, probably years.
Definitely one of my favorite back issues episodes.
Just such a great show, you guys are amazing.
They should have cloned aunt May, then harvest the clones organs for regular aunt May
I saw the notification and did a Stone Cold Steve Austin celebratory beer chug, this episode is gonna be the best.
Ah Spider-Man one moment in time the awful sequel to one more day and destroyed peter Parker and Mary Jane characters for a literal decade god I hate this storyline so much because of how bad it’s especially for destroying both Peter and Mary Jane marriage for garbage.
Man that J Michael Straczynski run was FIRE up until the end. The 5 issue Digger story is a personal highlight for me
Let’s just forget sins past though
@@parkerramsbottom Sins what now? 😅
@@faherty87 there was a story line called “sins past” by straczynski, where it was revealed that Gwen had kids and they wanted to kill Peter for abandoning her, and them. At first it was believed they were peters kids, eventually we find out that they’re actually Norman Osborns kids, Gwen had cheated on Peter with him. That was the jist of it anyway, this was all retconned in nick Spencer’s run during the kindred storyline, and almost retconning one more day in the process
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When the heart stops even CPR won't get the heart to beat again. You can only do CPR if the heart is in fibrillation. Hence a defibrillator is used to get a heart beat.
That backdrop cover Is bloody stunning
55:48 Dammit! Mrs.Tiffani, I was drinking!
I'm glad that the MCU seems JUST aware enough of how dumb of a story this is to ABSOLUTELY do it in a different way 😭 There's almost no way MJ remembers Peter is Spiderman at the end of this 😞
the sarcasm is tough yall. REAL tough. I hope Zendaya remembers my guy Petey Holland at the end, but Mmmm😒
Lol should have zoomed in on tiffs face and started playing "hello darkness my old friend" after that Mondays joke
Sal will spiral into madness with the one mote time song
Books like this and One More day are what made me give up comics for years. That being said it's fun looking back on them in a show like this
Keep up the good work gang
0:28 that was the greatest dad joke in history
This is so weird. The past couple days I just randomly watched your videos on One more day and then Renew your vows and then on cue this video comes out today?!
Super strange timing!
This book embodies everything I hate about Spider-Man. And the fact that Marvel doesn’t let him move past this makes it really hard to like him in modern comics.
Comic writers have this really bad habit of wanting to wind things back to how it was when they were readers.
Many comic readers hate change.
Between these two they get stuck in rut and real change or character growth is rare and often not lasting.
It's amazing how many character assassinations Spidey went through in the middle of 2000s and is actually still one of the most popular characters... What is even funnier there is only 2 Spidey movies where there isn't MJ and even then it's Gwen... Which tells you exactly how popular Felicia, Betty or Liz and especially Carly actually are..
I started reading Spidey in mid 90s and I still go out of my way to re read older issues, even the clone saga but I'm still to re read OMD and I have not read OMIT or Brand new day and I doubt that I'm the only one