Evidence For a Major Solar System Encounter 3 Million Years Ago
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Hello and welcome! My name is Anton and in this video, we will talk about an unusual discovery that solar system's heliosphere collapsed 2 million years ago and possibly had major effects on Earth
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0:00 Interstellar medium effects on Earth
0:40 Solar system neighborhood map and ISM
2:10 Does this affect Earth?
2:55 What is heliosphere?
3:50 New discovery about ISM and heliosphere
4:55 What would happen to the solar system?
5:55 Any evidence?
7:00 Did this start Ice Ages?
7:50 Why this is important
8:35 Conclusions and summaries
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"We still don't know", "No one knows", ... I hear these a lot in your videos. But then that's the great thing about science.... honesty.
Exactly how science should be but tends to get corrupted from time to time to push some agenda for so many different reasons.
Oh, I don't know about that. No one knows. 😁
I was gonna be cheeky and reply to this with the v=(video url here) but that probably would get through youtube's filter so SPOILERS:
Look up "it is a mystery song ghost"
That was gonna be my reply.
With no explanation.
Just v=whateverthefukkitis.
That lets your imagination fly free !
For reasons we still don't understand, people love to understand things they understand they don't understand, completely.
I have imagined many things, but never have I imagined _heliosphere collapse._
Sounds like a large budget, poorly written Hollywood movie.
Total collapse, nothing gets protected by the heliosphere at 22 AU, ignore Uranus being 20 AU out, nothing to see here, obviously 1 AU is even farther away...
Still, let's say a complete collapse. Incoming galactic radiation rains in a bit harder, doesn't do anything to climate, which isn't impacted by ionizing radiation. Oxygen and nitrogen still intercept incoming radiation, just some acid rain and well, whatever particles would rain down anyway, as Fe-60 particles (they're not ionized this long after big bada boom), into the geological record they go.
@@johnbox271 If you are looking for such kind of production, then look no furher and try Moonfall
@@johnbox271 If Roland Emmerich writes it.... Imma watch the hell out of it!
@@wrayday7149 if your science based movies contain hell maybe skip them, they're tainted by dumb.
Going through a cloud of helium doesn't sound too bad, but going through a cloud of plutonium doesn't sound so good.
The heliosphere going down to 0.4 AU is mindblowing. Great finds and thanks for the summary Anton!
Dang, I have speculated for years that the universal environment has to impact the climate of Earth. Perhaps periodically as we orbit the galaxy and perhaps randomly also as our galaxy goes through it's own cycles. Very cool that people are looking into this type of occurrence.
Yeah. I suspect there are galactic zones that substantially affect our own solar systems “climate.”
I once read in a Science magazine that the Spiral Arms of Galaxies work like waves or the wake of a boat and aren't "fixed" - meaning the Stars clump up then spread out as the Galaxy rotates. Our Star also rises and falls in relationship with the Galactic Plane, like a horse on a Merry Go Round.
Heliosphere collapse and dust clouds passing through the solar system is an interesting idea. Many years ago I wondered why photosynthesis evolved three times. (There are three major metabolic pathways by which photosynthesis is carried out: C3 photosynthesis, C4 photosynthesis, and CAM photosynthesis) Wikipedia.
These systems did not evolve at the same time and are sensitive to different wave lenghts, indicating that the climate or the sun light changed in some way. And this change could be caused by interstellar dust passing through the solar system. Likewise the Cambrian explosion indicates something like a smaller increase in radiation causing more mutations and the evolution of multicellular life.
Although the Cambrian explosion was also a timing thing. Earth had a lot of material to process in order to create the stuff biology needed to advance life. Check out mineral evolution (see R. Hazen). Also the snowball Earth grinding down mountains and pouring copious amounts of "Glacial milk" into the oceans (named for the suspended fine particles.), which in turn provided building blocks for biology to build with.
The words “dense” and “thick” are still describing a gas density equivalent to such a hard vacuum that it could not be produced on earth.
When they coated Hubble's main mirror they drew a vacuum 1,000 times rarer than the pressure of Space between Earth and The Moon.
Metals that made up the chamber were liberating gases, so it was a long process.
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To be fair that only brings it _comparable_ as opposed to superior to that of the vacuum being discussed here, and vaguely at that.
I think I see your point, though...
lol “thick” vacuum spaces 😂
The vacuum of space is incredibly powerful, 1×10−17 torr, though the vacuum between the Earth and the Moon is 1×10−11 torr. I believe ion-pumped chambers have reached 10-12 torr.
@@Jmcc150 Hey - if you have ONE hydrogen atom per cubic meter at 3* Kelvin, what's the pressure ??
There was a Patrick Moore 'Sky at Night' programme about this forty years ago ! I had the BBC TV script.
How science works. observe, verify, develop hypothesis, attempt to prove, or disprove it. Thank you, Anton!
Yes sir, you are correct, no science should ever be settled no matter what the pharmaceutical companies pay people to tell you.
Those effects of those clouds are in the range of hundred thousands of years. The climat change we are causing is in the range of decades.
Fuck around, find out, fuck around some more, find out more, predict better ways to fuck around, fuck around, find out. 😂
Outstanding review on the latest science story as always Anton. Wonderful video by our favorite Wonderful Person 😊.
Our path through the galaxy will change things for sure.
Lucky it's a slow passage.
Politicians can now Institute a solar wind tax on their population's to negate the effects of solar winds on Earth's climate and prevent a heliosphere collapse.😅
Just a mild correction. The ice age we are in started around 34 million years ago. We are in the Late Cenozoic Ice Age. Within that ice age we have periods of greater or lesser glaciation, each on their own cycles, and while we did enter a period of more intense glaciation around 2-3 million years ago, even that was more mild than the period we entered around 700 thousand years ago with the Mid-Pleistocene Transition.
No, it's all Human caused😂😂😂 we must be Taxed Higher so we stop the climate from changing 😂😂😂.
@@markmatt9174 Yes Billionaires need to make more money so we must be taxed more. It's for your own good, and theirs of course too.
There is also the effect of decreasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere as plants absorb it and then are buried in sediment. Ice ages have been attributed to this reverse greenhouse effect and scarcity of carbon dioxide. Other scientists have opined that plants have been given a new lease on life by the mining and release of carbon back into the atmosphere.
A billion extremely poor people throughout the world need to be stopped from cooking and boiling water with cheap carbon energy so rich western @ssholes can pat each other on the back at their exclusive, swanky cocktail parties.
I just live for rich liberals feeling good about themselves
The interstellar medium consists of ancient gas clouds that move at very fast speeds, sometimes creating shock waves and can lead to the formation of new star systems and planets.
Heliopause - protective layer of the solar system created by pressure from the solar wind.
About 2-3 million years ago, the solar system may have interacted with a dense cloud, which could change the size of the heliopause and leave chemical traces such as iron 60 on Earth.
Currently, there are no clear conclusions about the impact of these changes on Earth's climate, but they are likely to cause changes in the ozone layer and other chemical reactions.
No worry about an ice age now, I just had my John Deere deleted, every time I start it now the earths temperature increases by 1/2 degree
You are amazing! If I was your grandmother I would talk about you all the time. Thank you for sharing!
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I'm a 50 y.o. man and I talk about Anton all the time. He's the most Wonderful Person I know!!!
Could fresh return samples of moon and asteroid rocks shed more light on this, as their surfaces have no erosion and thus perfectly preserve everything that interacts with them?
This is my first time commenting. Thanks for your channel.
It seems feasible that the period of our (heliosphere, solar system, earth) collective passing through the hydrogen cloud could have caused the ~1 million year period of the "snowball earth", the cause of which seems unknown.
Also, it occurs to me that one of the most fundamental reasons for life to flourish here in earth is the lack of interstellar radiation. In my opinion, the "Goldilocks" planet everyone is searching for had better have some sort of heliosphere or some type of radiation shield.
Hope these musings are thoughtful, if not contributive.
Thank you Anton for making us smarter.
What is scary is that we are dependent on technology and we could enter a zone that could disrupt key technology. These disruptions may not be seen and we would not know what hit us even after it hit.
Well we pretty much lived fearing we might be all gone in 15 minutes right through the 50's - 90's, today we sort of forgot about it. Clouds interfering with the solar system is way down the list of scary for me.
Frankly, I wake up every day, hoping for that day to come
LMAO. Sheltered comment
Our world might not be the same but the world would definitely live on 🙏
I tend not to fear that I can not any control of. Nuke war, solar flares, space clouds..... I can't do anything about it if it happens. So why worry about it.
The Black Cloud was a long short story about this being a threat, but it turns out the cloud is a superintelligent being, one of many, that was delighted to discover life bound to a planet, rather than the norm of giant, black, space cloud.
Neato, I'm gonna check this out
I heard something like this years ago- that sometimes our Solar system is travelling through colder parts of the Galaxy- can cause Ice Ages. I suppose the opposite would be true too. Thanks for your Posts. xxx
yes you heard. he difference could be beween 5k and 2.3k. seen from earths stratospheric layers, that's pretty irrelevant. Back in the days, our athmosphere and the dynamics of its layers, its ineraction with the magnetosphere, and such the solar wind, has been understood *not* at all. even today we don't. butt we better know that we don't.
If a star passes through a large enough cloud of hydrogen and helium, would it extend its life span?
Not in any significant way. A valid question though. 👍
Not really, but there has been some speculation that one of the reasons we don't see older stars near the central black hole is because the jets/powerful outflow of the disk "supercharges" the stars around.
It's only one of many explanations for not seeing older stars though, but thought I'd include it!
Mini nova
Omg, so the climatic changes might be a lot larger than our current models. "How dare you."
Our climate models are founded on our ignorance. People hate to admit that they're ignorant especially when it means they have a guaranteed income.
If there’s new information, it will be incorporated into the models, but given that these things change on timescales much larger than human existence, what are the odds that we pumped a lot of previously stored carbon into the air and it was a complete coincidence that the temperature increased?
It would be nice to find out we were wrong all along. But there’s your bias.
@thisisjeffwong quick question: What information is put into the models? Do they have solar activity? Are things modeled for the outcome that they choose? In my real opinion all the climate change stuff is bullshit as we don't really live long enough to understand the grand scale of timelines that the Earth does, if we look back through the history of temperatures instead of a select group we find that the Earth does very very extreme temperature swings. We just don't know what all to factor in for, but we think we are the end all be all of creation so everything has to be our fault, or our success, we are so full of shit that it is unreal. Those scientists cannot imagine the fact there's something larger at work than us. That's just my opinion, from someone that has lived over 50 years with a new threat brewing every few years to decades and there's always something that us poor humans can do to help save the fracking planet when in fact all they are able to do is put new taxes on us in order to take our money and make things more expensive in order to keep us serfs in our place.
@thisisjeffwong oh I meant to ask if they've ever incorporated the solar forcing part into the models?
There is nothing faster in space than sweeping and zooming artistic renditions.
ahh, one of my old theories played out in different fashion…didn’t consider the affects on the sun..but I have wondered how much debris, water included, could “pour from the heavens” and flood the world…by just flying through such stellar clouds..
Ever thought about it with comet tails?
@yodieyuh6077 I haven't, but I see where if they too are made of ice etc, then that tail, if it fell into earths gravity well, could that too pull in a large chunk of ice/water etc.. 🤔
Another great video, thank you, Anton. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
WoW! So many people are studying so many things! Thanks, Anton, for summing it all up for us! Btw, I can't wait to see your smile at the end of each video!! 😊❤🎉
03:59 earring Anton 🔥
I literally was typing this out just now!!! Hahaha yaassss 😆
So when the sun's heliosphere is only 0.4 AU across and the earth is exposed to intergalactic wind, did the earth have constant auroras all the time caused by the interstellar medium?
I mean.... they could make a proper interstellar space probe and launch it... maybe even put in some kind of relay/repeater system so it can talk to voyager 1/2.
Hey! The LRCC is just like me! Not particularly big, but pretty dense!
Hello, wonderful Anton. This is person.
Warm neutral hydrogen would be protection from the interstellar medium somewht? Thanks for calling the heliosphere as the solar atmpsphere.
Wonderful Anton wonderfully explained 🙏
Wow. That cloud explains a lot! My mind just boggled with all the lines of research! The gass giants are in the outskirts of the solar system because of intergalactic clouds.
It sounds plausible. Super Nova material found without a supernova. So we passed through an old nova cloud which squashes the H sphere. Places a whole new meaning to wrong place at the wrong time. Or we’re on a bandwagon and we can’t get off!
Interesting. I was thinking about something like this a few months ago. About what would happen if our solar system ran into a very thick cloud of gas that disrupted orbits, the Oort Cloud collapsed inward and reshuffled the solar system, Jupiter and Saturn combine leading to stellar ignition resulting in a binary star system with a brown dwarf, etc.
Your awesome Anton.....I hope you find nothing but success on this platform
Setting aside experiments, which cannot replicate the scale of terrestrial climates though they may be able to replicate specific conditions, climate science is all "correlational." Much like the social sciences, the potential to effectively use experimentation is extremely limited.
You have 0 idea what you are talking about lmao. It's very clear to anyone who does science, just so you know.
It’s a jolly good thing that we’re not on a Federation Starship.
If we were, we be for it. Traversing any kind of ‘expanse’ in a starship usually leads to some kind of shenanigans.
Thankfully, it doesn’t usually last for more than an hour.
The isthmus of panama rising up between north and south America about 2.5 million years ago blocked an ocean current that is thought to have moderated the northern hemisphere climate patterns. Just a theory I read about a long time ago. 🤷♂️
Good timing Anton! I just finished reading 'The Black Cloud' by Fred Hoyle 🙃
I heard that the cycle ice ages started when the isthmus of Panama formed (closing off the Pacific to Atlantic circulation). That is also about 3 MYR ago. There’s an old RUclips video “Panama and the gulf stream important for glaciation” on it.
That was around 6 million years ago but it certainly did affect ocean circulation.
I once read about the same thing. It was thought to be about 3 myr old for some time, which has been contested by some geologists recently, but not all. Anything that affects the thermohaline circulation will have a dramatic effect on climate.
Judging by all the isotopes of materials on earth I'd say we plow through clouds alot.
I have wondered if something like this might have occurred. There are some very unexplainable phenomena in the solar system that might be explained this way. Like the changes on Mars, depletion of the magnetic field, the many dendritic channels on the surface that some think were the result of water, but they don't have a destination, no sea. The elevation change across its equator.. And the disruption of Uranus' axis. Seems something happened to the planets changing them forever.
I really appreciate Dr Petrov's daily exposure of how little we really know and how all we are told as scientific fact is basically nothing more the hypothesis and assumptions.
Oh my god, are y'all real people or a bot farm? Anton is a huge proponent of climate change being very real, and a danger to society if we don't do something about it now.
Hominids were likely undergoing crucial evolutionary changes around 2.5 million years ago. Bipedalism, brain size increase, and tool use.
Thanks Anton, another WONDERFUL video more Brain food for us , thanks again I'm still WAVING AND STAYING WONDERFUL, have a great weekend. PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERYONE ❤❤.
Cosmic Ray is the Interstellar Medium. He can read your palm or the sole of your foot and tell you what's happening on planet Oit!
Movie Day After Tomorrow comes in mind
The standard explanation for the Pleistocene Glaciations is of course the closing of the Panama Channel, which stopped the warmer waters of the Pacific from entering the Atlantic.
Wild, love it, always a great new topic. This one really threw my mind in overdrive.
I love to hang around till the end so I can catch "Anton's great see you later smile"
0:01 Hey, Anton! 🙂
As long as the conventional scientists don´t include the formation of the Solar System with the overall galactic formation in our Milky Way , they just keep on guessing - and providing lots of guessing materiel and butter on the bread to the wonderful Anton.
I've done videos on this. I think the catalyst of the current ice age is the evolution of plants. They're getting too efficient, so they consume the CO2 too quickly, causing them to die off, then grow back ect... These swings work with milankovitch cycles to created glacial periods.
There was that weird water plant/fern that was so good at recycling CO2 that it caused an ice age!
Well, in Antarctic ice, Fe-60 was found from 40000 years ago, it's still being deposited as we pass through a wee cloud of it. Other layers were also found in earlier strata (obviously not much iron left, but the decay chain is easily ascertained).
As for heliosphere, 22 AU is just beyond Uranus, so I really don't get where the rest of this solar system would lose protection. It's a function of cloud matter *and* magnetic field density, not magical whammy juice. The last time I checked, we're a wee bit deeper within the heliosphere than Uranus, unless we've moved since this afternoon and nobody told me. That said, Neptune would be getting that wonderful glow.
Add in that an Fe-60 layer causing an ice ago would well, go far beyond extinction level, as Fe-60 decays into Co-60, going from a strong beta emitter to a hard gamma emitter. Overall, a really, really bad scene. Traces don't cause ice ages, additional dust maybe and the signatures of that dust would be found in the geological record and is largely absent for this non-event.
thanks for the information anton. awaiting more as further data comes in
Anton, thank you for communicating these fascinating ideas and research so brilliantly.
Thx Again Couzin - WE are such smart 'Flyz' in this AMAZING SOUP - Amen !🇨🇦
Interesting information as always, thanks 👍😊
HI4PI means an all-sky survey of HI (aitch-one), or neutral hydrogen. The 4*pi is the solid angle of the full celestial sphere.
Wonderful, amazing, I have read about the supernova hypothesis of 60Fe deposits before; but this is new! and implies many more "dangers" for Earth!
Thank you Anton, this was very interesting!
Wonderful Anton wonderful smile
Humm, 🙂this interstellar neighborhood discussion reminds me of the classic 1953 science fiction book, Brain-Wave, by Poul Anderson. And also a much more recent 2021 book, Shadows of Eternity, by Gregory Benford. So how we hear suggestions that entering this local cloud might have caused ice ages about a million years ago -- some "short" time before home sapiens were first evolving (around 315,000 years ago)? And wonder what leaving that cloud for the next nearby one might entail.
Wow! Mentions of Brain Wave and The Black Cloud. 1950s SF is making a comeback. Good. "Escapist" fiction back then was the only writing that prepared us for the future.
I was just going to mention Brain Wave but you beat me to it. Clever story.
Your presentations are always mind bending. Thanks
Outstanding honesty and candor, makes a great video.
Excellent article. Thank you
Hallo Anton, this is wonderful person! 😏
Wow, you said climate change without getting a climate change fact check . Congratulations 👏 . Hearing that space can change our climate is refreshing as most climate models don't include space weather , which is crazy 🤪 .
That's pretty neat, Anton.
This is so strange, I’ve been having random intrusive thoughts about this exact issue for years.
Fascinating!
This is extremely intriguing, but accumulated research agrees the ice ages are the result of the Milankovich orbital cycles. However, it is possible the Milankovich changes may have started with this event, through orbital changes for Earth caused by the Solar System's exposure to open interstellar space.
I like to think that our understanding of reality is subjective. Heinrich Cycles likely determine the severity of Ice Ages (geomagnetic excursions) and the rise/fall of our civilizations, and they are indeed cyclical around 6400 years, part of a larger grand cycle within the Precession of the Equinoxes at around 25,900 years. We are at the opposite side from the Younger Dryas within this cycle, and are likely entering another geomagnetic excursion.
Yet we should add a bunch of Carbon Taxes, cut the numbers of people back to less than 2 billion then tax the remaining people until none of us can afford to exist then we will be gone and the climate will magically stabilize 😂😂😂.
The Milankovich cycles are always in place but some additional change seems to make them bring on an ice age. It had been suggested that North America and South America becoming connected by Panama several million years ago blocked tropical ocean currents, bringing on our current cycle of ice ages. Plus cold water is now more trapped in the Arctic Ocean and the ocean around Antarctica due to the current position of the continents.
@@markmatt9174as long ss you're one of the ines "cut back" I have no problems with this plan.......denier😂
@iandennis7836 hum, well nothing I said is not science fact and shown facts on video going back decades . So keep your head in the sand More On and step into the boxcar for your own good.
Great topic for a video.
We here on Earth are gifted with beautiful life. At anytime we can be destroyed, either individually or as a group. Be kind, enjoy the time you have.
Anton. Time we get you a new T-shirt. The talk was terrific. So well explained.
Thank you.
Super duper fascinating stuff!!!~
So the ice ages were caused by cold clouds ?
Speculation but they might have been the trigger. It's another possible tipping point. There are a lot of them possible in a chaotic system like the weather.
Add in the 250million year cycles where the EARTH SOLAR SYSTEM is on the leading edge of the Milkyway (when the Galatic travel direction thru the universe is considered. ) we are far out on our Galatic Arm as well as rotating around this particular Galatic Arm. That means at times all these clouds are being pushed/compressed together tighter as the movements all smash into them. Probably why we have major extinction events every 250 million years combined with the Snowball Earth events. Catch the right rotational cycle where We are on very front edge of the galatic plow and the extra cold of space impingement drives climate much lower.
Yet again Anton make me scared of events that may happen million years from now.
2:54 That would be a badass shirt graphic!!!
"Ice Age" refers to the multi-million period of time when there is permanent ice at the poles. "Glaciation" and "inter-glacial" refer to the cold periods with glaciers, typically 100k years long, and the 10k year warmer periods between them. We're currently approaching the end of the current interglacial.
On a side note at 3:59 his left ear has a ring on it from the photo behind it
Amazing!
Interesting. Lots of large factors that affect a planet's environment.
We're still in it and the density is fluctuating.
Thank you
Thanks!
You are welcome!
You are One of the very best content creator on you tube...❤
Back in 2011/2012 there were a few articles about researchers finding that the solar system was or was about to entering and interact with the local interstellar clouds. Other than all the other effects like changes in the Sun's activity, the one big point they were making was the likeliness of severe and sudden changes to Earth's cl!m@te...(It took 3 times to get this comment to work...I wonder why? This is verifiable...)
Thanks
Very strange n interest. Thank a lot Anton.🤔🤔🤔
So, somewhere in our 250,000,000 earth year journey around our Milky Way we encountered a bubble of hydrogen slightly warmer than absolute zero within the interstellar medium. And, as we continue to penetrate the subject “bubble”, the bubble is acting upon us how? And, at what point in our revolution are we expected to exit the bubble? And, to what effect will a surmised rollback to the original aether affect us, as well? 😊 2:15
Given how dust clouds caused severe dimming of Betelgeuse, it is entirety reasonable to expect that the solar system passing through a cloud of interstellar dust/gas could have similar effects to our own sun. It wouldnt take very much dimming in IR to alter the temperatures on the earth fairly significantly.
So the Heliosphere is the ending limit on the outward pushing effect of the Sun's solar winds... Which is being noted as offering protection by forcing objects, but we still get comets?😊
Anton what you discribed if true would be interplanetary climate. Imagine forcasting Earths climate over millenia with this added complexity.
The solar system travels about 600 light years in a million years. That "molecular cloud " must have been pretty big even if we didn't pass in a perpendicular direction through it.
How much extra mass did the sun and plannet scoop up