Evidence That Pluto and Triton Are Actually Long Lost Siblings
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Hello and welcome! My name is Anton and in this video, we will talk about Triton, Neptune and Pluto
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0:00 Triton - the largest moon of Neptune
1:02 Voyager 2 encounter and discoveries about Triton
2:20 Similarities to Pluto
3:30 Orbit around Neptune and its capture
4:05 How did it get captured?
5:35 Link to Pluto
6:40 Strongest evidence so far
8:20 Other objects and conclusions
9:30 Mission to Triton?
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Not a captured dwarf planet, but actually an escaped moon….
This Pluto character is shifty af🤣
Shifty AF indeed
That's no moon....
@@Spurkadurka Obi-Wan is that you?
An escaped moon with it own satellites.
What an odd duck, or should that be, odd dog 🤔
I'm getting a bad feeling about this.
I have a Funk & Wagner encyclopedia from the 70's that stated that Pluto was considered an escape moon of Neptune. An interesting claim so many years ago....
70s encyclopedia are amazing!
Pluto crosses Neptune's orbit, so it's logical.
Rowan & Martin utilized Funk & Wagnells often....
Velikovsky
Just by way of setting the record straight, since a certain porch was often referred to by Ed McMahon on the Carson show (I think)... It is Funk And Wagnalls.
If they somehow meet in nearest distance.
Triton: sup' mate!
Pluto: Fuckin' trator!
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ F J B
What is trator?
both too stupid to spell? I sense projection.
Triton: Better being the largest moon of a distinguished planet, than being some miscellaneous Kuiper Belt object!
Pluto: 🖕
@@rocketraccoon1976 ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ i think you may have misgendered Triton
Tremendous stuff, as usual.
Anton, it's not just the superb quality of these presentations, it's the fact that you can put them out daily that amazes us.
Thank you, and please keep at it.
Anton has a team that helps him.
@@douglaswilkinson5700 Of course he does. I am sure that no one person could do this.
@@douglaswilkinson5700 @ the mirror and the signal of sound reflection stream paramore's the new's for the projection of window through heart Stream Melanie martinezes weird body merge album you guy's had no right tot make the music that killed me in reality and to have set my portals up to begin with get the fuck out of my body merging into me and trying to control my movements get the fuck out of my body blowing me kisses im not fucking interested get out of my frequency you had no right tot throw one into my window of refleciton get the fuck out of my body merging into me stop blowing me fucking kisses entertainment through the signal space had nor gist tot merge into me get the fuck out of ym body margining into me.
Hey now. I post MULTIPLE youtube video comments per day, every day, where's my appreciation post?? 😭😭
It's my awkward Autistic smile, right. That's so unfair 😭😭
/kidding (mostly)
@@douglaswilkinson5700 And that means what exactly? Anton doesn't deserve praise? He shouldn't get credit for any of the work? You are completely aware he started this channel all by himself and was still putting out videos everyday? Did someone transform and train you into a useless piece of garbage, or did you study specifically to become that?
Pluto and Neptune are also in a 3:2 orbital resonance, which seems to add to the likelihood of them being somehow related
Neptune certainly controls Pluto's orbit in gravitational resonance but the closest they ever get is 16AU due to their orbits being out of phase. There is a large number of other KBOs known as 'plutinos' with the same orbital resonance.
Wouldn't it be interesting if they found out that Pluto was actually Triton's lost sibling that got thrown out of the Neptune system while Triton stayed? But what of Charon? It would be poetic irony if it was originally a moon of Neptune that got captured by Pluto's random close fly-by.
As is half the rest of the Kuiper belt.
they both exist... that's a relationship. you're a god damned genius.
@@pop5678eye Neptune is the great shepherd of the Kuiper belt
Everybody's always asking what is Triton and but never how is Triton
I’ll do you one better: Why is Triton?
@@WilliamFord972 I'll do you one even better, where is Triton? 😉
@@thespicemelange.1
I’ll do you both one better, WHO is Triton?
@@_NicBP 🤣🤣🤣👌👍😎
@@_NicBP what master does Triton serve?
It was a great catch by Neptune.
one-handed as well
Uranus is a better catcher
I wonder if Titan is just an example of what worlds like Triton and Pluton would be if they received more heating from both the sun and in their core via tidal heating
Titan isn't a captured KBO so it doesn't have a common origin with celestial bodies like Pluto or Triton.
"It's only -232 °C here!"-Pluto
"That's balmy! It's -235 °C here!"-Triton
Triton is not only 3 degrees colder, but on average it's 1.5 BILLION km closer to the sun. I know once you get out there, it's not a lot of sun, but every little bit makes a difference.
There is a point where it makes little difference.
Nothing that far away is picking up much heat radiation from the sun. Tidal interaction with an ice giant planet would generate a lot more heat than it would get from the sun.
Thanks Anton! You're the best! 😊❤🎉
Thank you Anton ☺️❣️
The solar system gets curiouser and curiouser!
Thanks for this, Anton!
The first (and only) mission to Uranus and Neptune was Voyager 2, launched on August 20, 1977. It's a shame that almost 47 years later, we are still waiting for the next mission to the Uranus and Neptune systems.
I'll bet there have been numerous missions to Uranus.
Agreed. It seems that they deserve much more study.
Has astro propulsion technology improved enough for this next mission to reach Triton in a reasonable amount of time? Are we still looking at a 10 year flight?
Oh, to be treated once more to headlines like, "Probe Heads Straight Up Uranus."
@@orionsimerl6539This is an excellent point. The Trident mission would have launched from Earth in 2025 but would not have reached Neptune/Triton until 2038. So, it would have taken 13 years. So, hopefully by the 2030s or 2040s we’ll have nuclear propulsion that cut the time to get there.
Word has it Charon still refers to Triton as "his ex."
Worth mentioning that those atmospheres extend really really far out relative to the radius of the objects themselves. Triton's exobase is 950 km high, which gives it an escape velocity of 1114 m/s rather than the 1455 at the surface. With an exobase temperature of 95 K, that's NOT high enough to hold onto a nitrogen atmosphere for billions of years, and Pluto is similar in this regard. Both likely completely replace their atmospheres over time.
Titan holds its atmosphere just fine.
@@Tugela60 Titan is much more massive.
@@NuisanceMan Yes, but Triton is below the freezing point of nitrogen, while Titan is well above it. Nitrogen is not mobilized in places like Triton and Pluto anywhere close to what it is on Titan. So those objects are going to hold onto their nitrogen quite a lot better.
It is a fun exercise to pair planets in the solarsystem as they were originally formed, and then work out the collisions, what moons would have formed, or captured as they split, migrated, and eventually a few of them found stable orbits like we have today.
At 2:00 I expected Anton to tell us about the atmosphere of the rebel base on Yavin 4 😊
Hey big thanks for all your doing .I've been watching your show for years and will keep doing so.
Seems like a good reason to visit Triton and immediately get to know more about pluto-like objects
Anton, that smile is great! :D It reminds me of a friendly pit bull.
Love your channel. You move fast, you don't over-explain, and I appreciate that because time is important to me.
I'd really like to see a program about you. Your biography, where you grew up, went to school, and how you finished up wherever you are in the world today. Maybe do it in a Zoom call with a trusted colleague.
Anton does not look like a dog. A fox maybe.
@@Broken_robot1986 nah. He's much more friendly than a fox.
Didn’t Uranus shoot it out?
Is this a butt joke or something?
@@AntonPetrovsXgirlFriend3381yes
It is a Terrence Howard joke.
@@AntonPetrovsXgirlFriend3381 I doubt Anton's gf would be dumb enough to miss it. Fraud.
I’m not KIDDING, you read my mind! Or we were thinking this same thing. I was researching this and I still have the wiki windows open from 48 hours ago. I was literally reading about this a day before you posted and now I get a really good description from you. Thank you!
Always nice to have some neptune esque content given its mysteriousness.
While an intriguing possibility the problem is that Pluto is in a 3:2 orbital resonance with Neptune without actually coming close to each other. (supposedly the closest they ever get is 16AU) Would there have been enough time for such long period orbits to evolve from a near-collision to such far passes in the history of our solar system?
Triton is most likely to have formed as KBO but identifying it as Pluto's twin is likely a stretch with current evidence.
Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. 😊😎👍
Oh dope, I've been obsessed with this Pluto-Triton connection for over a decade so it's awesome to see new data!
His smile at the end always reminds me to click the thumbs up button. :)
❤ very fascinating and amazing I was in grade school when the Voyager pictures were released and Triton is just as interesting now as then.
Allways " out of this world" ! Geat learning with you
Thank you once again, Anton! Great report as always! I always look forward to your videos, they truly brighten my day! Thank you!!
Hello, wonderful Anton. This is person. 👋
Triton and Pluto are a good example of atmosphere increasing with planetary mass.
Triton: M = 21.4 Et, P = 1.5 Pa
Pluto: M = 13 Et, P = 1 Pa
And then there's Venus 😖
@@boulderbash19700209 Venus and Mars are very geologically different from earth, so they aren't comparable.
@@boulderbash19700209 That's different
Thank you Anton for all your work and awesome videos! Each day I look forward to your work! You're incredible.
That's a strange part of the solar system.
Thank you, Anton
1:00 The pictures were taken in the eighties with a camera from the early seventies.
Another home run Anton! Thank you so very much!
Pluto is a planet we definitely need more missions to. It's one of the most fascinating midgets in the solar system. While we're on the subject of exploring the Solar System, any news on faster engines to get probes to the outer system faster than currently? I swear I could cycle to Pluto faster than NASA probes go.
Ion thrusters like those used in some asteroid probes are more efficient and can therefore gain more velocity for a given mass of propellent, at least once they are in space. Nuclear engines are being talked about again but that is for the future and the cost might be prohibitive for many non-human missions. However, I think the biggest thing weighing against somewhat faster travel times is the three way tradeoff between cost, travel time, and mass of the probe. The mass of the probe affects how capable the probe is, how many instruments they can put on it, etc. Given those tradeoffs, I'm guessing they always choose lower cost (which means higher chances of the mission getting approved) and more capability over faster travel time. Cheaper, heavier lift launch vehicles like SpaceX's Starship or maybe Blue Origin's New Glenn might shift those equations, but there will still be trade offs.
Would objects like Triton and Pluto have enough gravity to land rovers powered by radioisotope thermoelectric generators?
Dunno where that came from..I was just listening to Anton and sort of started musing about what standing on the surface would be like or if it wouldn't be a complete disaster. The material temperature of your boot is surely going to make a huge heat difference and what would slipping and falling over on frozen gases be like even...I am thinking that regaining your feet might be very difficult in a suit that any part of it also has a heat differential. It could be extremely dangerous.
We see at 2:00 the moon Yavin 4. Or at least the place which played the rebel base in the original Star Wars (Tikal, Guatemala).
Thank you Anton.
The event which created Pluto, Chiron and the others, created triton too?, super cool!!
Triton is my favorite satellite... ever since I learned about its orbit I hoped we would learn it was a capture from another star system
this is so cool, i'm glad we are starting to understand the solar system better.
It's pretty much always been assumed that Triton was a captured KBO. Everything about it says it didn't form alongside Neptune. It orbits in the opposite direction of Neptune's rotation, it's much larger than you'd expect a moon of a planet like Neptune to be, and it has most of the same properties as other KBOs.
It suggests to me that Pluto was also one of Neptunes moons at some stage, and was ejected from it's orbit when it had what it needed to stand on it's own. The baby grew up and left the nest.
Interesting family history.
Nice video, thanks 👍😊
Maybe Pluto & Triton were binary planets and something knocked Triton out of it's orbit and then later on Pluto and Charon became a new planetary system.
This must mean Triton is a planet!
Others would take this as Pluto is a moon-sized dwarf planet. 🤣🤣🤣
The internet is yours. 🤣🤣🤣☠️
Pluto is a planet
@@Atok595then Eris and Ceres are also planets...
😱
Get well soon Anton ❤
Pluto is pretty cool an all But Triton is The Coolest.
I've always thought Pluto looked more like a moon than an actual planet. So cool we found some evidence for it.
some ppl see a heart shape I see a lovable Disney character.
Smashed around in space against other things until they became nice and round. That had to hurt.
Assuming every planet in our system coalesced from the same gases they're all siblings. With all this recent debris it's clear that some rogues came through. I think Mercury is from different neighborhood, nothing left but a core.
I wonder if it might be possible for Mercury to be the core of Theia, the hypothesized planetary body that slammed into the primordial Earth and created the Moon. In my alternate hypothesis, Earth and Theia would have been involved in a glancing blow that would have resulted in the core of Theia being deflected towards the Sun and parts of Theia's and Earth's mantles being sheared off to coalesce and form the Moon.
@@allankolenovsky7028I’ve always wanted more info on that event. I’m not sure how much we could even learn. I’m no scientist so I really have no ideas. But the ideas fascinates me. Could that be where we got so much water? Or would that vaporize beyond coming back.
@@daemon4621 If I recall correctly, a lot of the water we have has been proposed to have come from a storm of comets unleashed upon the inner Solar System by the migration of Jupiter into the inner Solar System. That migration and Jupiter's migration back outwards through what has been proposed as the "Grand Tack" hypothesis, might have really shaken up the outer Solar System. I know that it has also been proposed that Uranus and Neptune did a fair bit of migrating as well. One astronomer proposed a theory that a fifth body was needed to be present in the outer Solar System for all these complex migrations to have occurred. That fifth body presumably was kicked out of the Solar System. But...what if it wasn't? What if it was merely sent out into a much distant orbit? What if it is the mysterious Planet 9 that has been recently proposed in an effort to explain the orbits of TNOs? All of this activity would have resulted in a horde of icy bodies streaking into the inner solar system. What we see today in terms of the planets, their moons and their positions within the Solar System may all be interconnected and be trying to tell us, in plain sight, what actually happened in the early Solar System.
@@allankolenovsky7028 A glancing impact seems more likely with earth inheriting a lot of Theia's crust and some formed our moon. I've convinced myself that Mercury is the core of a transient planet.
@@daemon4621 If I recall correctly, a lot of the water we have has been proposed to have come from a storm of comets unleashed upon the inner Solar System by the migration of Jupiter into the inner Solar System. That migration and Jupiter's migration back outwards through what has been proposed as the "Grand Tack" hypothesis, might have really shaken up the outer Solar System. I know that it has also been proposed that Uranus and Neptune did a fair bit of migrating as well. One astronomer proposed a theory that a fifth body was needed to be present in the outer Solar System for all these complex migrations to have occurred. That fifth body presumably was kicked out of the Solar System. But...what if it wasn't? What if it was merely sent out into a much distant orbit? What if it is the mysterious Planet 9 that has been recently proposed in an effort to explain the orbits of TNOs? All of this activity would have resulted in a horde of icy bodies streaking into the inner solar system. What we see today in terms of the planets, their moons and their positions within the Solar System may all be interconnected and be trying to tell us, in plain sight, what actually happened in the early Solar System.
This is interesting as it makes the case for declassifying Pluto as a planet. By focusing on Pluto’s developmental history a little more closely, we may discover new things like this potential relationship between Triton and Pluto!
I read speculation about Pluto starting out as a moon of Neptune in a pop astronomy book I read circa 2010.
If both Pluto & Triton are captured Kuiper Belt objects, in the discussion of mining Asteroids, Etc., they condensed out of the SS Cloud, I would think materials such as Lithium & Beryllium would be in greater concentrations.
We really need a Uranus and Neptune orbiter mission to study these planets and their systems like Cassini or Galileo did. Triton especially would be a lot easier to send a probe to study than Pluto.
I'd love to see video on how planets and moons are captured.
Why couldn't Pluto and Triton have been a binary pair then Charon comes along gets captured (with it's different composition) creating a 3 body problem destabilizing the Pluto/Triton orbit causing Triton to get kicked out while in an orbit inside or near Neptune's orbit?
7:00 Do you know how the elements of both objects were determined?
You got to upload more often please!
I'm sure!
Interesting! I seen a video telling stories from the Sumer civilization. One of such stories tell about Pluto being a moon of Neptune.
That was peddling BS. The Sumerians lived long before the invention of the telescope and didn’t know of any planets beyond Saturn.
@@bbartky I have my doubts about those stories too. However, the drawings are real and the solar diagram does indicate 10 planets...or 9 planets and Pluto if you prefer.
I've said this before on Anton's videos dealing with the "ice giants" and I'll say it again here - we *need* a joint mission to send orbital probes for Uranus and Neptune. It's just not right that all we have in terms of up close observations of both worlds and their fascinating moons was a brief flyby of Voyager II in 1986 and 1989 respectively. Despite more discoveries having being made from ground based and space borne telescopes in the 30+ years since (including finding new moons and confirming Voyager II discoveries of moons around Uranus that had remained uncertain because of the limited time the probe had in the system), there is nothing that can compare to placing a probe in a orbit to do an extended study.
The best would be to take samples from every planet and every moon and every object and bring them back to Earth and study them in person. It is good to have theories and hypothesis and intellectual discussions and papers and all that which is the starting point. So far, you have taken samples from the moon and samples from the solar wind and different asteroid samples. Can you be very definite and say which is from the same source and which is totally different ? Which one is unknown ? And so we dream on.
We really need to go back to Uranus and Neptune and learn more about then. But Mars hogs almost all the funding and yes distance is a big factor since Mars is much closer. Still I wish to see them send at least 2 orbiters one to study Uranus the other one to study Neptune.Not likely to happen in my lifetime.
The title sounds like the plot of Charles Dickens’ little known SF novel.
I think the long lost sibling of Earth is Planet Nine.
Twinsies! ❤
One of these days, we're going to have a computer powerful enough that we can input all the information about the planets in terms of size, mass, and everything about their orbits, and it will be able to extrapolate far enough into the past that we'll be able to discover when and if Titan was captured, other massive objects that passed through the solar system, and all kinds of groovy things.
It isn't a matter of compute power. It is a matter of Chaos Theory/Complexity Theory. Small errors in input measurements quickly lead to vastly different results.
@@tektrixter You have a good point.
"All" information is going to be problematic especially since we can't track planet 9 as yet. Perhaps if/when we can do that, then we might be able to resolve some anomalies.
Fascinating
I read that Pluto was probably a lost Neptune moon as a teenager. Over half a century ago.
It's a funny thing. I suspect like many as a child I tried to imagine how we got today's solar system, starting from what I knew about it's formation. Frustratingly the only option I could really come up with was a form of 'cosmic billiards' to make sense of it all to me - frustrated because even then I could appreciate how tremendously unlikely such a scenario would be to get to where we are today...
...and yet the 'official' view indeed looks very much like cosmic billiards - just goes to show tremendously unlikely is not impossible.
Not only does there need to be more funding to space agencies to greenlight missions to the outer Solar system, we need breakthroughs in faster forms of propulsion, like nuclear plasma rockets, so we can actually get probes out there in reasonable time frames (in addition to getting people to Mars and back in weeks rather than months.)
The ancient sumerian clay tablets says that pluto was a moon of Neptune.
That’s not true. The Sumerians lived long before the invention of the telescope and only knew of the planets visible to the naked eye: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. They knew nothing of Pluto or Neptune. In addition, it wasn’t until Galileo discovered the moons of Jupiter with his telescope that we knew that planets could have moons.
Also, the Sumerians believed in a geocentric universe where everything revolved around the Earth. That’s totally inconsistent with the notion of planets having moons.
Yep. That's what we were saying back in the 1980s.
I swear as a kid I had a theory that these were once a binary where Pluto was ejected and Triton was captured before I knew Charon existed.
Can confirm - I devour old Astronomy books, and that was a popular theory for a long time
trust your gut! its not always right, but more right than you think!
My study of physics convinced me that your gut is almost always wrong.
@@williamhanna4823 Trusting your gut works better in some fields than others. Depends on how intuitive it is.
02:00 - Star Wars - Yavin Rebel Base??? 🤔😏
The Mayan ruins of Tikal were the background shot.
Anton, could you talk about the dwarf planets in the Asteroid Belt someday?
The camera on voyager is from the 1970's!
Pluto will always be planet 9!!!
Absolutely ❤
@anton petrov if a srat passed through in the last few million years couldnt we tell based on local trajectory and if so which star is the likely culprit?
What if Cheron used to orbit Neptune and Titan used to orbit Pluto and at some point millions of years ago Neptune and Pluto's orbits got close enough to interact and they swapped moons?
I would like to know how much it Cost (& Takes), to put a Mars type Rover on Triton. NASA could start up a Semi-Assembly line for a Rover that's had all the bugs worked out, capable of equipment swaps for particular projects, Standardize them, there's no reason we shouldn't be exploring all our Places.
That is exciting, maybe I'll get drunk! Maybe if their was a black hole floating around Triton, that would even be more exciting! That was nice that Pluto is named after a Disney cartoon dog (that doesn't talk like goofy).
Maybe NASA, ESA, JAEA, KARI, or a collaboration of these space exporation agencies could send a deducated space probe to the Neptunian system. Similar to the Cassini mission with Saturn. Call it Posidon mission, or Owatatsumi mission (whoever has the biggest budget). Back in my postgraduate research days, I worked with an international collaboration in Astrophysics, not space exploration which I'm still interested in. Because of the cost of mounting these missions, there should be more space exploration collaboration between democratic countries.
Gotta love the liberties all of these scientists take deciding what planetoids are made of.
Did you ever know that you're our hero Anton?
Everything we'd like to be
Not mentioned here but surely should be added into the equation when examining this hypothesis about relationships between Pluto and Triton, is Charon, Pluto's binary partner.
All of these mysterious, far away objects can help us understand star system formation processes, so it is unfortunate that the planned mission to the Neptunian system got put back. Instead, with minimal information, the planetary migration crackpots get another shot at our evolution.🙄
In ancient mythology, Pluto/Hades (the god of the underworld) was literally the brother of Triton/Poseidon (the god of the sea).
@1:59 THAT'S YAVIN 4
What about other KBOs? Why specifically Pluto and not Sedna or Eris or...?
I always watch your videos in 1.5 speed 😂
We dont hear enough of Triton
Helo Anton , a""lovely person, saying hi 🖐️ , 🙂
What are the chances the sibling that was tossed out when Triton was captured by Neptune, was the planetoid that collided with proto-Earth to form the Moon?
Good ⛳
Wow ... Let's change the orbits of these frozen moons to be elliptical, so gravitational forces from Neptune will heat up the moons. Maybe they'll then be easier to terraform and an atmosphere will appear.
Perhaps in the beginning of our solar system it was one of those three-body systems, destabilised as is the nature of such systems, and our dwarf planets hurled out into their new lives?