Don't Blame Gwyneth For Goop's Success
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Goop deserve all the criticism that's been flying their way but to only concentrate on them is to miss the reason snake oil wellness peddlers like goop and charlatans like chiropractors are doing so well. The modern medical system is failing a lot of people.
I'm not suggesting for a moment that those highlighting the pseudoscience and danger of goop are wasting their time - especially ahead of Netflix's disappointing decision to air 'The Goop Lab', which will spread goop's BS yet further. I believe we should challenge bad science wherever we see it. I am just providing a slightly wider picture to explain why alternative medicine continues to enjoy success despite so many wonderful advances in actual medicine.
I'm a practicing doctor and like almost all my colleagues, there are many aspects of modern medicine that frustrate me. This channel deals with a lot of them. I believe we need to spend as much time turning a spotlight on the medical system as we do on the quacks and wellness gurus.
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You can tell I'm serious when I one-take the thing
@@kenm2595 oh come on dude not funny
Im not angry Ken, just dissapointed.
@@civotamuaz5781 hi hi ken M's just playing ay ;)
Another brilliant video midlife :);)
Medlife Crisis is it too much to suppose that the Netflix documentary might be a journalistic expose of goop, similar to panorama, dispatches, file on 4 or face the facts?
I have a lot of sympathy with the goop target audience - as a woman with a complex, life-threatening condition that was repeatedly misdiagnosed by medical professionals, I don't disagree with the idea that there is something rotten in our healthcare system.
However, those "medical professionals" were the physical therapists who told me repeatedly that my (correct and specific!) self-diagnosis was ridiculous and that I should work toward a "a more natural road to wellness."
The thing that actually saved my life was an ER doctor who was willing to admit that he didn't know what was wrong with me, and transferred me to specialists. The people that actually saved my life were interventional radiologists and hematologists. The things that actually saved my life was about 4 different methods of clot removal, including lifelong medication.
There's nothing "natural" about the fact that I lived to the age of 23, let alone beyond. It has been an entirely unnatural process. I'm all right with that.
I mean, I don't want to say physical therapists aren't "medical professionals" but that's like asking an EMT to diagnose you. That's outside their scope of practice. They're specialty is physical therapy. They are trained well to use exercise to heal, but pharmaceuticals are not their specialty. Honestly, even as a nurse, it'd be outside my scope to diagnose you, but I've learned that, as you put in time, you come to see someone walk into the ER, notice immediately their symptoms, and 9/10 times, you know exactly what is wrong with them. That 1/10 time is where shit goes wrong though. Those are those rare disorders, congenital defects that have gone unnoticed. It makes the treatment of everyone else go so much smoother. You already know what you are going to need, and everyone knows their job in the process, but then you get the one individual who has more than a "tummy ache." That's the one that, as an EMT, we're warned about and told to always assume ectopic pregnancy for.
It's rough to be that one person, and I hope I can have the awareness to spot when something just isn't right. I'm glad you were able to get the care you needed in the end.
Things like that happen all the time
For example, I suffered from stomach pain for years and my doctor insisted it was nothing
It turned out to be Helicobacter pylori
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Because of this bad doctor, I now have an ulcer and I can't enjoy spicy food
Doctors are human beings and have the same weaknesses as other humans
@@norelfarjun3554 helicobacter in endemic in humans. continue your search for health.
Amen, CharlieGirlPetersen.
Physical therapist At least where I live are not allowed to make diagnosis only threatment so they are not medics
I like the old saying - “ Alternative medicine that works is just called medicine.”
Took the words from my fingertips!
Charlie Bushby just like how conspiracy theories that are true are just conspiracies. Epstein is a prime example.
Medicine doesn't just have to work to some extent, it also has to produce a persuasive theory of how it works. This is why most powerfully medicinal plant extracts are consigned as alternative medicine, because a single chemical and theory cant be identified in the extract to explain their effect. This discipline also helps with making sure contemporary medicines are patented. A couple of powerful medicinal plants Im familiar with are tumeric and boswellia (frankincense) . There are many studies documenting their effect but no agreed theory on how they work. People have been using them for a long time. Leeches were medieval medicine, not "alternative"
Like leaches 😅
Andy Mode where do you think aspirin or in fact most other painkillers come from? I'll give you a clue, they're mostly green and grow in soil. The reason plants, like say weed, isn't licenced to be used widely as a painkiller has less to do with science and more to do with pharmaceutical profits. You're right about patents though, they can't patent plants so they don't want you using them
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov
What does Asimov know?! I don't trust that smartypants word-writer man!
anti-intellectualism started when the colonizer's boot first crushed the windpipe of the elders. Be it Rome or Great Britain, we are the great plunderers and skeptics of knowledge that doesn't suit our desires. We tear, rip and suture truths and untruths together to create great fabrics of civilization and we hope and believe that our fabrics are whole truths. This fabric will often violently defend itself from knowledge to the contrary, from intellectuals that posit otherwise, and that is why it is older and more ingrained than Isaac Asimov understood.
Science is a tool, and historically it has been used just like any other tool. Science has not only been used for the advancement of all mankind but also for the crushing, brutalizing and dehumanization of some of mankind. We like to push this truth outside of ourselves, to pretend that those "scientists" weren't true scientists. That they weren't fellow humans like us, capable of confirmation bias and subject to cultural blinders.
I believe Science to be good overall. But the lack of understanding that all science shares a common brand means that scientists in one field often scoff or roll their eyes at the damage done in another field. This is extremely dangerous. It is shutting ourselves off from the question that is being asked of us by the public, which is:
Can modern scientific medicine save itself from an economy that is itself a science? This question is being asked of every field, and is extremely important. Can our science save ourselves from the economic and political sciences that dominate us and force us to serve them?
All scientists must face the harsh truth that science is failing the people on a grand scale. If we cannot intervene against the economists, politicians and propagandists who utilize scientific data-driven tools in their manipulations then the people will throw "the baby out with the bathwater" in desperation.
This is not a time for pride in our great histories and broad libraries. This is a time for introspection, self-critique, and direct action. Over there in the UK you're about to undergo a hard brexit, and that means that people will suffer. Medicinal knowledge is important, but only as important to the people as it can be applied to them. To all of us (we're "the people" too! haha).
in the US we have to rely on our non-profit NGO charities to supplement our ailing or broken systems. I doubt the UK has as robust a presence of those as we do here, since you actually have an NHS and all, but start networking with them if you haven't already and prepare for a wave of new needy. You will need extra hands and that means talking to the chiropractors, the shamans and the sorcerers too. They generally have the desire to help those that have no other option, you'll find a few bad actors but you might be surprised at how much understanding they already have. They spend their days meeting with patients after all!
The solution to anti-intellectualism isn't more intellectualism, it's reaching out in good faith and mutual respect to serve the common good and broaden understanding. There is a crisis of faith in science, and the way to regain faith is through Works. Public Works. Good Public Works.
Not for profit, or advertisement, or fame. For the good of our neighbors and countrymen. I'm doing my works in Illinois, and for our respective regions and love of science we must rebuild from the disaster of global austerity measures.
The two most influential scientists right now to me are Dr Eric R Kandel with his book "The Disordered Mind" and the political economist Mark Blyth. If you actually read all this, then bless you haha and have a good day! Solidarity among scientists, and humans all
It's the ivory tower effect... People outside the ivory tower don't know what happens within, so they prefer the witch doctor that they grew up with
@@Panteni87 scientists on the inside of the ivory tower are trapped beneath the economic and political scientists that determine who they get to help, how much they're allowed to help, and where they get to help.
Gotta find a way to save ourselves out from that or the ivory tower will be torn down by desperate people
@@jowkeen9169 doesn't matter to us plebs, if the tower keeps going the way it goes you can't expect from people that they leave the tower standing.
You have mastered how to be simultaneously polite and savage
Just like any Brit
@@vN2w3Z59BM Was just about to comment that.
The most stunning art 😄
Just savage the best I care to tell.
Etiquette Judo is a powerful, subtle art, and it is elevated here on the roughest streets of Glasgow as it is in the highest halls of Oxford. Even so, Rohin counts among its true masters, somewhere between the temperaments of Romesh Ranganathan and Richard Osman.
I've heard -- and I have no reason to disbelieve it -- that when a woman has endometriosis, it can take EIGHT YEARS to get diagnosed after multiple trips to the doctor begging them to take their debilitating, life-ruining crippling pain seriously. I've known one woman who finally had to get a hysterectomy from it, and her intestines were practically welded together from the mess that her rogue uterine lining had created. It's not us who distrust the scientific method; we're desperate to get it applied to us. But the gatekeepers won't let us in. I've personally been blown off by doctors over things ranging from the ever-lovely and equally life-ruining vulvodynia to temporal lobe epilepsy and mitral valve prolapse, leaving me to cope with these issues over decades with zero help from doctors. I'm not stupid enough to fall for goop and new age woo, but I can easily see why some women would. If the only two choices you have are to be scolded that your crippling pain and blackouts are in your imagination and get pushed out the door or to sit in a pleasant, peaceful place and have someone at least listen to you for a bit, then get pushed out the door, who wouldn't take the second option? Neither one is helping, but at least the second person isn't a dickhead.
Well said. I'm sorry you had those experiences. These are the very things I think about when I talk about medicine not serving some poems well. Sadly I'm sure I've been guilty of similar things in my career, but hopefully not often. Wishing you best of health.
Absolutely. The dickhead doctors who make you feel like a worthless waste of time vs the alternative medicine practitioners who respectfully listen and often try to help. It was a shock the first time I saw an alternative medicine practitioner because they believed me. I didn't have to justify that my symptoms were bad enough to be in their presence. It's clear why people go down the alternative medicine route.
@@jeanettemullins That's how they get you.
You want anyone to treat you with respect, those fraudsters are the best at it. They will act their little hearts out if it means they can make some easy money. It's very easy to pretend to listen to people who are desperate for someone to talk to.
Mental health shouldn't be a minor concern for these health issues, and treating it as such results in people flocking to those scam artists.
I appreciate desperation but none should be so ignorant as to believe in something like goop. I'm not saying these people are at fault, really it's rampant capitalism that has created this situation.
J Cortese absolutely Thankyou for speaking your piece
As someone in the USA with a wife that has Fibromyalgia the real dastardly aspect of our medical system isn't even that she gets proscribed opiates. It is that she gets proscribed opiates, gets slant-eyed looks from everyone for it, is treated like an addict by our insurance which demands that we get her meds weekly on the off chance that we might sell her meds on the side and that after all that she has to look like an addict counting the meds at the counter because if odin-forbid she walks out the door without the full script and tries to get it fixed she'll be told she's scamming by the pharmacy, treated even more like an addict from then on, and she won't be able to get a replacement script from her doctor and might get dumped by them because they'll assume she sold her extras. We know this, because it happened. This was back before she had insurance, so it was a whole month's supply.
She spent that whole month moaning in pain in bed unable to even watch TV and barely able to eat. I think she lost 20 lbs.
I completely understand why people turn to bullshit instead.
This is going to sound stupid, but I'm asking seriously: has she tried weed? There are several medical conditions where it's a much safer and still useful alternative to opioids, and it's probably much cheaper. In any case there's little harm in trying. I'm not one of those idiots who think it's a miracle cure or anything, but any forms of pain relief that can substitute opioids are worth trying.
@@petrelli231 Yes. She's on medical cannabis, thankfully it is legal in our state.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 Agreed
@@petrelli231 As for being cheaper. Maybe naturally, but my insurance doesn't cover the cannabis so it most definitely is not cheaper for me.
@Benu_Bird Very sorry to hear that. Pain is invisible to others and fibromyalgia is heavily affected by stress, so often pain can flare up as the result of social situations which looks a lot like making excuses to people. You know, because people always say they aren't feeling well as a bullshit excuse to get out of social obligations.
"Goop wants you to mistrust science." This was such an important video, Rohin - and so very well said. Wish we could get this video in front of the people who need to see it the most.
or maybe be critical of everything that is thrown at you black and white mentallity is just being stupid discovering and trying new things can lead to solid discoveries. just being critical is essential.
You, good Sir, deserve your own Netflix series
Archie Raine called “Counterpoint”. I would watch his savagery!
I couldn't agree more!
"At the Heart of the problem "
Don't you mean.... Medflix?
I'll get my coat.
@@oz_jones NetFix
Medfix!
People like simple answers but reality is complicated.
So "this drug is proven to help 70% of people with the same symptoms as you"
sounds worse than "this magical healing stone will cure you with the power of the universe"
The universe?! Actually can you send me some, that really does sound good and my knee is killing me.
Medicine will be approaching the state of being a real technology when doctors can tell in advance who the 30% are that the medicine won't work on. Huge strides have been made to get where we are, but huge strides have yet to be made to get where we need to be.
Imagine if you talked to an engineer and he said "when I hook up these long string like things from this cylinder to this glass covered thing and 70% of the time, light comes out of the glass covered thing" instead if "if you use wires to connect a battery to a light bulb, the bulb comes on, and if the light doesn't come on you can understand why."
Of course, the analogy is crappy because I'm drawing that analogy between two extremes of complexity, but from the perspective of the patient, it's really tough to tell the difference between "let's try this and see if it works" (topiramate for migraine, which didn't work at all for me) and "let's try this and see if it works" (magnetic bracelet for migraine, which I expect wouldn't work at all for me.) Things get even worse when you start talking about side-effects from medication.
@@jonathanguthrie9368
Actually I heard there are now tests for exactly that. Idk how legitimate they are but you can look into them and see if there's anything worthwhile there.
@@jonathanguthrie9368 Yes people have associated Science with Physics since the time modern Science was invented (during the Scientific revolution). That is natural because the foundation stone of said revolution is, arguably, Principia Mathematica. People expect simple answers from scientists, of the kind of. "this will be 3x+z" and it just works. Quantum Mechanics is less accepted by the public because it's based on probability. Even so "we can predict "the anomalous magnetic moment of an electron" with 10 significant digits is not that bad. Medicine doesn't "feel" like science, and people don't like it when it does (dry). Can you imagine if road building looked like medicine? I believe that the first step is forcing pharmaceutical data to be public and education about the difference between prevalence and incidence and that kind of stuff. Feminists (so women are the target of pseudo-scientists) all-time say stuff like: " Mds did not care about women's cardiac arrest".They don't understand that women used to have a lower number of cases at *any age* as a percentage of the population (it's changing, the average person is not dying around 65). Notice some feminist critiques of "male medicine" are correct, but "male" today means. "totally evil, women hatting". They never refer to vaccines as or antibiotics as "male medicine", but they do to medicine in general. When one of your colleges wants to be famous and powerful she knows what discourse she needs to adopt, and then she does.
The Universe would like to stress that, they are not affiliated with the Magic Stone company.
the thumbnail: historic photograph of rohin being birthed
just like the buddha, fully aware. rohin was funny and serious and savage from day 1.
@@synsynsy so... Not like Prince Siddhartha?
@@SheshankReddyS not like Sid, but as talented. :)
"This candle smells like my v*****" and he chooses that thumbnail lol
This makes my heart ache for my sister, who has gradually, after countless specialists saying her suffering was “just depression” or “being a parent”, and a near-death experience, FINALLY had multiple diagnoses, including arterial valve prolapse, endometriosis, osteoarthritis, just for starters. She’s 34 but rake thin and frequently feels like she’s going to have a stroke. She has the bone quality of an 85 year old. She’s been fobbed off so many times, that now the only person who seems to take her seriously is an expensive naturopath a day’s drive away who has told her she has Lyme disease, which may or may not even be true.
Especially as a woman, please, male doctors, stop with the “hysteria” type diagnoses, we are in the 21st century!!!
I saw a really interesting post on tumblr about cleanse diets. "If you did eliminate most of your usual foods from your diet and noticed a change in your pain and energy levels, inflammation, etc., you might want to see someone about the possibility you have an unidentified food allergy in what you're usually eating."
Yep. I always felt nauseous and had loose stool until I talked to a doctor, turns out I am lactose intolerant. That didn't help because turns out I also have colitis.
Yep, and food allergies get dismissed the vast majority of the time, which means therapies for them are not widely available and still very under developed...
I had to force a doc to test me, I knew my paternal grandmother had some kind of autoimmune that caused her to have a severe range of food allergies, guess who inherited it... Came back with allergic reactions to roughly 90% of what they tested me for, it's no wonder I suffer after literally every meal.
Food allergies can also manifest with a range of symptoms that inhaled and contact allergies don't. Making them even harder to diagnose. Elimination dieting can actually be a faster and more consistent way to evaluate what foods you react to; because, the skin and blood tests will only tell you you are reacting, not how you're reacting.
Also food intolerances sensitivities too. They're usually not as bad as allergies but they can still diminish life quality significantly. But since when has anyone cared about improving that haha
That's something you can experiment with yourself, because most of those diets only require a commitment of a month to six weeks. You could do that in the time that you're stuck on a waiting list to see a "proper doctor", in the UK.
People want an instant answer and don't like the prolonged times that elimination diets take even though the diet elimination is painless, safe, and inexpensive
I don’t blame Gwyneth for goop’s success - that falls on the customers. I blame Gwyneth for goop’s _existence,_ however, since she founded the company.
@@oldmountainhermit3347 I did, obviously. But 9 months ago, so I don’t remember the exact context. But regardless, I’m not sure you understood my statement.
@@tookitogo Dr Rohin explains the factors enabled Goop to exist. If she hadn't founded Goop, these factors would've enabled someone else to create something similar; therefore, as the thumbnail states, "Goop isn't the real problem".
@@oldmountainhermit3347 Yyyyeah… and how does my original comment disagree with that?! 🤷♂️
@@tookitogo Failures in the medical sector are more to blame for Goop's existence than Gwyneth is.
@@oldmountainhermit3347 I still think you really missed the entire point of my comment, because you’re just saying basically the same thing I have been saying from the start. My comment is in essence that Gwyneth is responsible for goop (the _specific_ company) existing, but not for creating the market that allows goop to thrive. _Why_ that market exists is another matter altogether, and I don’t think it’s as simple as your explanation, but for sure we agree that Gwyneth did not _create_ the market.
“I’m not going to tell you whether to watch The Goop Lab or not”
I am! As someone with absolutely no credentials I beg my fellow regular consumers to vote with our views and make it unprofitable for Netflix etc to platform this quackery
True
Great video Rohin and great retrospective on your own industry. Shame on Gwyneth and Netflix for spreading these quackeries but I definitely agree that the medical community need to do a better job at communicating with the general community. It’s pretty baffling that alternative BS is able to give more hope of recovery to people than the latest breakthroughs in research and technology...
Not especially baffling. Science begins with saying "we don't know X", and ends with saying "As best we can tell, X looks to be Y." "Alternative BS" begins with saying "we know X", and ends with "you should, too!".
It's hard to say I don't understand people who fall in to the alternative medicine rabbit hole. A lot of the points you make resonate a lot with me. I've been dealing with issues of chronic pain and other things for years now, but the pain obviously isn't something life threatening, nor is it preventing me from much. But that doesn't mean it's comfortable, by any stretch. I don't know what the underlying cause is, so I can't even try and work around it to prevent flare ups.
I've given up trying to ask doctors to help me with it. I always get blank, stock answers that I've already tried and a kick out the door - gotta see the next patient. And I get it, the doctors in my area in particular are overworked, there's far too few of them for the population they serve.
If I was someone else I can see how easy the slip in to these things would be. It's comforting to think that this amethyst might help me with this pain, because nothing modern medicine has offered me has. I'm so tired. Nothing has helped. Desperate people will believe desperate things. People like gwyneth are just taking advantage of that and preying on desperate people.
Thank you for sharing. You're exactly the kind of person I was thinking of when I said I know medicine isn't doing well enough for many patients. I really do sympathise with people who have not got satisfactory answers or management plans from my profession and are tempted to look elsewhere. Wishing you best of health.
Your "I'm so tired." made my heart ache for you.
@@MedlifeCrisis Thank you
@@madiantin
Instead of doctors, maybe give a few Physical therapists and Chiropractors a try. It can be more painful in the short term, but I have seen many positive outcomes and positive results myself. If the first one does not work, try a few different experts. One advantage PTs have is that they get 50 minutes with you instead of only 6 minutes and the response is usually more holistic and based in science and experience!
There's a huge gendered angle to this as well. There's the pain bias, where women's pain is not taken as seriously as men (longer wait times in the emergency room, etc...). Women are also more likely to given anti-anxiety meds when they go to the ER for pain and are more often written off as psychiatric patients. It even starts with the studies on pain management: most people dealing with chronic pain are women but the studies are done on men. So yeah, GOOP is really harmful and dangerous. But there's a reason her demographic is mostly women. The medical system has failed women and dismissed them. I really appreciate that you're highlighting the role of the system in this. It's more compassionate but also helps in trying to figure out how to combat this anti-science garbage.
And that's without introducing the race bias. Women get worse treatment, but black women... They are fucked. The system truly needs to change. Until then, gimmicks like Goop will still be profitable. People who feel like they have nowhere to seek help and who lack the minimal medical knowledge to feel like they can advocate for themselves will resort to any and all alternatives.
@@neldormiveglia1312 You're totally right. I should've mentioned anti-blackness and how racist the healthcare system is because we can't talk about gender without the intersection of race. Thanks for sharing.
Everyone deals with chronic pain
I think it was Ben Goldacre who said the part that homeopathy gets right and normal medicine gets wrong is the human interaction that should be a part of medical treatment.
Are you willing to pay for that? The system is at a breaking point already, if that were factored in the cost would be unpayable , as what you get from Woo is time spent stroking your ego. I'll take science thank you and look for validation or consolation from friends or even therapy. There seems to be many people who expect life to be easy, I'm old & I've seen the shift in attitude and expectations. Totally unrealistic, a brief look at history should tell people that. The universe is random and has no purpose.
Insightful and thought provoking. I have a friend who's wife died because of Woo, She chose Woo because it seemed more pleasant and more empowering than being directed by doctors and modern medicine - chemotherapy and operations are frightening and horrific to go through.
Unfortunately doctors can have their failings , sometimes they can be dicks, sometimes medicine can't save you. But medicine, good doctors and patients who are both respectful and assertive enough ask questions, must be a better way-forward than alternative medicine and Woo.
My child needed to start immunosuppressive therapy (complicated Crohn's among other things).
A close relative called to say enthusiastically that she finally found someone with similar diagnoses and the immunosuppressant worked with that person.
I patiently waited for something special - because why else would she tell me this?
She said literally: it's okay for you to start that now since it works.
It was like we were living on different planets. I tried to explain to her, that any serious study with numbers and curves and risks meant to me what that anecdote meant to her.
We both couldn't wrap our minds around the other perspective. Her story meant nothing to me, my percentages meant nothing to her.
Thank you very much for this video. Kind regards!
Good thing for you and your child you understand scientific evidence not just warm fuzzy feelings.
Hope your child is doing better - both me and my boyfriend take immunosuppressants as he has Crohn's and I have uveitis. Most times these illnesses require some trial and error, I've been fortunate that my body responded well to the medication, and it has helped me stop cortisone use which has way worse side effects. But doctors say some people don't respond as well to treatment. I would trust the doctors to guide your child into the best possible treatment in terms of efficacy with the least amount of side effects depending on how their body responds. Much love!
Thank you so much for this. I have chronic uveitis, an eye condition which in about half of all cases, the cause is never found. I'm in that idiopathic boat, after numerous medical investigations which have also seen me diagnosed with IIH and fibromyalgia - similarly idiopathic and "we don't know what else it could be" diagnoses. At this point I feel like a pin cushion. I've been prodded, investigated (that's the polite word for the tests gastro dept requested...), scanned, had my blood taken numerous times, x-rayed... I'm a hot potato passed around my local hospital and after years of this, it often feels like it's been for nought. (Thankfully, I'm in the UK so this hasn't bankrupted me in the mean time, which I'm incredibly grateful for.)
After all of this, sometimes I do wonder about the more legit-looking (to patients) parts of alternative medicine, like chiropractors. I've been seriously tempted, especially after high profile videos here on youtube of creators trying them, particularly for me, The Try Guys. This makes me glad I've never gone ahead with it - I was always too afraid they'd do more harm than good. Thank you for offering another perspective and understanding why these things are appealing. It's really refreshing to see, especially from a doctor, where usually the amount of understanding I receive is minimal at best. (I get it, everyone in the NHS is overworked and underpaid, I don't blame the staff). It's just so nice to feel heard.
Could be autoimmune caused form vaccines.
@@amethystflower8799 Straight to the anti-vax bit, eh?
Alternative therapies can be compliments to regular medical treatments, but they should never be relied on alone. Chiropractic care can be incredibly helpful for some conditions, I have one that makes all my connective tissues much softer and more flexible than they should be, it's called Hyper-Mobility. Chiropractic care helps put things like my ribs back in alignment, which allows my other therapies to actually work much more effectively.
Somethings, like acupuncture, are being researched in such a way that soon they may be considered standardized medicine rather than alternative. We know from anecdotal reports that many alternative therapies have limited positive effects on well being, but that's sort of the same reason why placebo trials are used for medication, sometimes the feeling/thought you're being helped can have dramatic and real physical results.
The attentiveness of people pushing alternative medicine is a huge part of why it often does make people feel better for a short time, if hospitals were willing to let nurses/doctors consult with patients for much longer periods I think we'd see much more trust and belief in typical treatments. There's an equally huge factor of people finding niche communities for uncommon conditions, and the experiences shared in such places often including years of misdiagnoses and relying on others with the condition to share new research/discoveries for how to handle/manage symptoms.
Perhaps you have an autoimmune disease that includes all the symptoms you have. I'm really sorry you have to go through this. Maybe one day the medicine will have the answers to most questions and it will work so much better
My love goes out to you - I also have uveitis and it only manifested itself when I turned 20. Only thing I was told is that it appears common in young women who have myopia, no other cause found. Currently on daily meds and fortnightly self-injections, but no real forecast of whether I'll ever be off meds. In terms of care from physicians, I can't complain as I ran straight to a private hospital when I started seeing distorted lines but as I live in Europe this also never bankrupted me. Luckily my health insurance provided by my job covered the extortionate price of the two emergency eye injections I had to get after both of my flare-ups, before I got formally diagnosed. Now I live in the UK and the NHS are brilliant, free appointments, exams and medication shipped to my home every month.
One of my close friends has been going through a bizarre mystery illness that has completely incapacitated them for close to a year and a half now. It's terrifying and bizarre and though they've been to the emergency room many times and had a gamut of tests run the most conclusive answer the doctors have come to is "mmmeeeeehhh??????"
So, it's frustrating. They've never been inclined towards general quackery and have tremendous trust in medicine, but they're rapidly losing confidence in individual doctors and I certainly can't blame them.
"over-testing and over-diagnosis are a big problem" Of, not in my country,
"Doctor! My arm is broken!"
-"are you sure?"
-"I mean, it's bent at a 90° angle and is all purple and green..."
-"Does it hurt?"
-"Like hell."
-"Hmm... Come back in 2 weeks and see if it still hearts, then maybe we'll take an x-ray or something."
Haha, it's like this where I live in northern Sweden too.
And if you wait it out BEFORE calling anyone to see if it gets better you'll get the "Hmmm... But it can't be that bad if you waited that long to call? Are you sure you're not making it up for attention?"
This is a long story from my own family. My grandmother and her brother were victims of 'alternative medicine'. They both had severe rheumatism, with worsening episodes over decades, eventually leaving them unable to leave their beds. They had gone to so many doctors, who gave them medicine and told them to change their diets to avoid triggering it. Here in our country, when people visit sick relatives/friends, they often give passing advice on how their distant relative or coworker or former schoolfriend had the same disease and it was miraculously cured by some obscure herb or chinese medicine. My grandmother and her brother, living in such terrible pain for decades, lapped up all of their advice, despite the warning from their doctors and close family members. They made us go buy various herbs at the market to boil and drink, and secretly purchased dozens of obscure chinese medicine, making up their own dosage. These medicines were the ones that claimed they could cure everything from diabetes to cancer. They compared notes on what was working and what wasn't, and kept listening to other people's advice on 'alternative medicine' till the end. They both eventually died due to kidney failure from so much experimenting. My grandmother's brother passed on a Monday, and my grandmother on Friday. Just 4 days apart. They suffered so much for decades, all the way to the end. On one hand, I feel like they were so foolish to believe in such medicine. But at the same time I sympathise with them so much because I know they were in such great pain for most of their lives, I believe anybody would've been pushed to desperation. But this would never have happened if these misleading and downright dangerous products were banned from ever being produced with such ridiculous claims, and if we (my country) didn't have the cultural tendency to give up on modern medicine after a few treatments. Overall a sad and depressing example of how medical quackery can truly kill. I truly believe they would still be alive today if they hadn't consumed so much alternative medicine. I miss them so much...
3:40 That isn't fair, one time I used anecdotal evidence in an argument and I turned out to be correct
Oh, well in that case, that does sound convincing. I think it’s a good idea! 😁
Hahah brilliant!
My friend's cousin's friend's dad has also experienced this.
Something I've found here in the UK is that doctors won't believe a young person is in a lot of pain so won't look into the cause of the pain and honestly don't even try to treat it. I have a multitude of physical issues that cause me pain on a nearly daily basis but I've lost faith in the NHS to the point when I fell on ice at the beginning of 2020 and couldn't walk properly for months i told my partner it's pointless to go to the doctor because they would do anything.
I found a couple of your statements had understated impacts:
- the point about Doctor-patient rapport.
- the point about alternative medicine displacing actual beneficial therapies.
- the four proven points for better health at the end.
Could you please consider these topics for a future video with the same passion as this video?
I’d love a video on the import of rapport. My father decided actively to see fewer patients, but spend more time with them. He didn’t spend his time looking at the screen, but at them, which made them have more confidence in him, but has meant he’s worked until about a half hour before bed every night for 15 years. To the patients, it’s so worth it. He’s become a safe space for pain patients who’ve been labeled drama queens or drug seekers by people scared of opiates. Instead of them being further traumatized, he gets to know them enough to see if they really do need opiates. And they trust him better to try other things due to rapport. They willingly taper their meds or try other treatments they’d not trust to try under another doctor’s care. Of course, the personal cost has been... intense.
Still, the impact rapport has on various parts of not just doctor-patient relationships, but on treatment plans and quality of life for patients is so important, and it’s something that often gets overlooked.
People have unrealistic expectations. Life should be easy, no pain, that there are magic pills. Much of illness is self-created, crap diet-the epidemic of type 2 diabetes only thing that causes that is stuffing your face with garbage food. All the typical substances etc. no exercise, unwillingness to deal with life realistically, so stress etc. Injuries when you were young because you were foolish that come back to bit you when you're old as the joints were damaged.These are self-created I know as I got high blood pressure because of my poor diet and lack of exercise. My fault, self-created,so I have to solve it. You know the boring stuff, exercise and lose weight. Funny how it went down when I did that. Maybe the anti-vaxxers will bring back a sense of reality with more dead kids.I'm old , so there were polio epidemics when I was young so the dangers were real. People today have lived such a protected life in most of the West they don't appreciate what modern medicine has provided.
the mention of distrust, doctors stuck in their screens "for fear of the hospital coming down on them"...this hit some emotional spots and made me tear up.
thank you for this video
Thank you for being a voice for doctors online. You've really shown us how it should be done. You've been an inspiration for me on my RUclips journey as a doctor too. I hope people watch this video until the end because you covered the topic so well.
Please never stop doing this.
Thanks for making videos calling out the bullsh*t, Rohin. Beside from all the pseudoscience, I really think that you hit the nail on the head when you said that doctors end up spending more time worrying about ticking all the boxes on the screen and filling in the paperwork whilst 'natural healers' may give a decent period of their time fully concentrated on the patient. We need to spend more time having human to human conversations with our patients to improve their experience
Great video but i think you missed a really important point. While doctors spend the majority of their time being doctors, snake oil sellers have lots of time in order to "make more noise" on the internet. If you compare the ratio of youtube channels between real doctors and pseudo science, you can clearly see a substantial difference
Yeah, there's a lot of readily available pseudo-science, even people using their real degrees to peddle questionable products. I think a lot of healthcare professionals are worried that a loud social media presence might tarnish their credibility and come across as unprofessional, but there are a couple of very public ones that do a pretty good job imo.
@@KattReen Yes, it's essential that there be legitimate people out there to balance the frauds.
Last statement is soooo true - after a Divorce and years of being alone, have recently met a new Girlfriend, am now walking everyday again and eating healthy once more - I’m feeling the best I have in years - and lost a heap of weight too as a bonus. 👍
I’ve just started medical school and I’m already frustrated by how this pseudoscience crap gets to people so easily, while it’s so hard to actually let them understand how things work
Its a problem with every field of knowledge. I find the more TV people watch the dumber they are. People tend to believe people they have never met.
Sympathies. I know a very erudite lawyer who firmly believes that "vibrations" are responsible for a lot of "imbalances" and will argue the hind leg off a donkey to prove it.
Desperation is a powerful emotion, and it makes an even more powerful weapon. At 11 I was diagnosed with a chronic condition I’d have until I’d die, and on the more severe side of its spectrum. I asked how to fight it and was told, again, at 11, “It’s not really something you fight. You’ll have to adjust your life expectations, of course. College is probably not a reasonable expectation. Your stamina will be reduced, so going to school at all will be difficult. But time will tell. Still, it’s not something you fight. It’s something that happens to you.”
If my father himself wasn’t a doctor, you can bet my family would have gone to weird places to try to find a way to retain SOME hope for my future.
Worse, other people in my situation are told it’s all in their heads or that they’re being dramatic or just need “coping,” skills, and many go misdiagnosed for years. Unfortunately, there’s a trend that they aren’t taken seriously. Life dropped a ton of bricks on them by making them ill. Then those they go to for help make it so much worse by traumatizing them further.
You can’t change the system. But you can try to remember how you feel about this NOW, and actively try to not let yourself become jaded. There WILL be fakes out there, and scammers, and drug seekers. But even they’re human and deserve respect, because no one gets to that place if they’ve had a happy road. As long as you don’t add to the trauma people experience, the guilt of the system is not your guilt to shoulder.
First, do no harm.
Congratulations and Welcome to the medical world!
I'm completing my medical school this year, and by the end of it, I feel you will realize too how much we also are to blame. The worst part is impersonation and lack of empathy with the patients (It just happens, finding the perfect balance between your own pursuits, the protocols and patient's care is hard). But don't be flustered by all this too much.You feel rewarded every time your patients feel you care for them and helped them.
I'm giving up on going into research because fuck people, let them have their goop.
As someone who lives with extreme chronic pain (severe full body CRPS), I can assure you the good pain docs (versus pill mills) have been extremely tight fisted with narcotics for a very long time now.
The addiction issues seem to stem predominately from surgeons and ER docs WAAAY overprescribing. An aunt of mine had a minor knee surgery done. She was prescribed 120 Percocet. Wtf??! That’s insane! There’s zero need for that! Yet every pain doc I’ve met in the last 17 years wants a patient to fail 20 different therapies before they even consider narcotics. Once you’re on them, even getting a dose from an ER after an injury can get you evicted from the clinic. You’re piss tested every 2-3 months. And if you have to change docs, you have to re-jump through all the hoops again to get back to a working treatment. It. Sucks.
My doc is honest with me that the only reason he can get away with allowing me to be on 2 pain meds (a primary and a breakthrough drug) is because I get biweekly nerve blocks and IV lidocaine infusions as well as doing PT 3 days per week and having a Spinal Cord Stimulator.
Please stop harming people by perpetuating the lie that chronic pain patients are at the root of the opioid crisis. We get enough shit and blame, try blaming your coworkers in the OR and ER who over prescribe to short term patients instead.
0:21, ah yes, Dr. Penguinz Zero
I'd honestly love to have had the problem of over-investigation you mention.
My experience is that most of my (and my wife's) medical problems have been completely ignored and dismissed until well past the age of 30 and they've either become far more chronic or landed us in the emergency room. I was told I was too young or the problems too minor or that I'd simply get over it. My problems haven't changed, they're just now more severe and permanent.
And at the moment still have issues that aren't being addressed and likely won't be until I'm once again in emerg. So there's little alternative for me but to try and research on my own or just try to find something that may help whether there's definitive proof of effectiveness or not. Even though I'd much prefer having the support of a trained professional and real diagnostics.
Though it may perhaps just be a medical culture difference or logistical limitation in Canada that makes it the opposite problem.
I know this is an old comment, but I've only just seen this video. This was my experience too. I've been unluckily laden with a lot of "invisible" illnesses, and trying to get doctors to take me seriously has been so exhausting I've given up for sometimes years at a time. I wish that instead of having to see 3 different GPs and spend hundreds of dollars, I could've been sent for an ultrasound immediately. I wish I hadn't had to *ask* for the few tests and scans I've had, having already spent hundreds of hours researching what condition(s) I might have based on my symptoms and presenting that to a doctor - that should be their job.
I still think she's a terrible person.
That's because anyone who can do what she does without remorse is a terrible person.
There must be a rule along the lines of Poe's Law for true-believers and charlatans.
Either way, she's terrible... I can have some sympathy for someone who is terrible because their brain just doesn't work well though.
@@travcollier I agree. I did read somewhere their brains are indeed different,but I forget how.
that's because she is
I can’t stand her, I go back and forth battling between “is she a freaking deluded coddled moron that really believes this shit she’s selling because her life is so devoid of wanting or needing anything she thinks this really works” and “she’s a narcissistic sociopath that doesn’t care what this does to people or that she’s peddling hope and not real treatment because it keeps her living in a bel air mansion and raising sympathy goats or whatever other crazy shit she’s into”
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle and for that reason I despise her
Be fearful, not of those who have doubt over anything, but of those who have answers to everything
This video is really important, thanks.
Btw. My ear specialist doctors have been unsuccessfully treating my tinnitus for 5 years. I gave up treatment (with permission), until more research is done. Until then, I am just learning to live with it.
Despite my sleepless nights caused by this condition (imagine that ringing sound effect in movies after a grenade/flashbang explosion, but neverending), I never doubted my doctors and I definitely wouldn't ever visit any charlatans promising me sweet relief. The money is better spent on donating to tinnitus research.
Andrew doesn't everyone have it? For example, I have it, and I'm pretty sure that I always did, but it is and always was very easy to ignore. Sometimes I do get temporary ones that feel "louder", though, for various reasons. Those are much harder to ignore, although not nearly as hard as real sounds.
Wikipedia says it "affects" (I read it as "bothers") 10-15%, and 1-2% find it to be a big problem 🤔
I know people who have cured ear problems naturally.
Keep ear plugs in for a couple of days. Initially it gets much louder then goes to a "normal" level but once you take out the ear plugs and all the other noises come in again the ringing is less for a little while. There is no cure. Understand a lot of modern medicine comes from nature and is rebranded or reworked "quackery" dressed in a white coat. They are doctors in "practice" and if they tried for 5 years to treat you for something that can't be cured maybe they were using you as a test dummy, not helping. Having blind faith in doctors is as silly as anything else.
You can ask about rates of response and prognosis up front. Saves a lot of work downstream if you share realistic expectations. If you expect magic, then you know what and who to look for .
Hi, being a physician/specialist, I fully agree with you. Looking at my very own medical record (i.e. me as a patient), I was impressed to read a "perfect" medical history/physical that would put an intern to shame - with the most detailed description of my issues... Sadly enough, my record was misleading, examination of some of my "systems" had not if ever been done/questioned/examined but were nevertheless described in minute details. I realized that some "medical record software" would allow the physician to "check" boxes of symptoms/signs/... and the program would fill the words in-between. After being injured in combat, requiring many surgeries (I served in the military), I was amazed to see that my medical record was "impressive", on the other hand, it did not tell the truth.
I cannot blame my peers, they took great care of me and told me "the way it was", but my written/digitized record did not reflect what was asked/done/examined; I have/had been under the same pressure as they were, to dictate/type a "Present Illness history" rivaling the great works of W. Shakespeare or Victor Hugo for the H&P. Unfortunately, the more "thorough" my record paperwork/word file was, the less likely the specialist could afford spending the time to decipher the actual meaningful data out of it.
Would you have a recommendation for physicians like me who practice "in the boonies" and do not have the luxury of typists, stenographers, speech recognition software...?
Thank you again, may Peace be with you, Ciao, L MD (ME, USA/QC, CAN)
This is fantastic and disarmingly honest. I work in general practice and I'll take my fair share of the blame. I'm fire fighting most of the time and would give my right ventricle to be able to spend a solid half an hour with each patient. Thank you for this one Mr Crisis.
This doctor is rare...he is honest about what is not 100 % known. There should be more like him instead of the egotists that are so plentiful.
Not the direction I assumed the video was going to go, based on the title. Thank you for giving me something to think about.
A minute (more like a century) of silence for all those people, usually women, who were burnt at the stake for treating the sick with herbs in exchange for small fees.
Especially considering that their concoctions and experience may (or not) have been more effective than the nonsense "real" doctors of the time went about spouting in exchange for fees that were hefty and only the rich could afford.
More silence for all those women that died of infection at childbirth because the doctors of the time couldn't be bothered to wash their hands while midwives had beein doing that for a time, having a far lower mortality rate among their patients than doctors.
I am only alive today because of modern medicine, I am grateful, but the medical profession still has a lot to answer for, even today.
I admire and respect you, Doc, because you appear to be entirely honest.
This is huge man. Ultimate respect for not going straight for the jugular like even I would be tempted to. You are a better man than me but we need understanding to resolve misinformation... Not berating them
I’m glad you brought up the screen. My last two medical visits the doctor had their back to me the entire time …. No eye contact or connection…. HOW is this care? Starting at a screen. Yes, I prefer the 30 min face to face discussions about me as a health whole w a naturopath
I really love your videos. You touched on the issue of failures in women's medicine and I would love to see a video on this. I have heard claims about the dearth of research into medical problems that affect women (because of a lack of funding or interest, or because sometimes medicines are only tested on men) and subconscious biases in treating women and not taking their issues seriously. It would be really interesting to get your take on this as I find it hard to judge how accurate these claims are.
This was absolutely phenomenal. A masterclass in rational discourse. You consistently address some of the topics I have a longstanding interest in and surprise me with the quality and rigor every time. I also occasionally exhale through my nostrils slightly more sharply than usual.
I totally agree with the lack of time and attention GP's now provide. As an Asthmatic I am a volunteer patient at a Respiratory research unit here in the UK. The information I received, because they had the time, changed the way i use my Inhalers and improved my life - even better a trial of a new drug therapy, now licenced for NHS use transformed my Asthma making it possible to live with it. If you have a serious condition volunteering at such a research unit (and they all need volunteers) could give you better information about your condition and may lead to considerable improvements in treatment that your GP may take months or years to become aware of. Certainly you will get hours of Medical expert time and attention rather than 10 minutes at your GP..
Weight plays a big part in this too. Idk if you've done a video on medical fatphobia but I know SO MANY people, mostly women, who've gone to the doctor with extremely specific needs only to be told to lose weight. Like, a friend of mine asked their doctor about ADHD symptoms and was told their focus would improve by losing weight.
Turns out they have adhd! Miraculously not connected to their weight at all!
My elder sister told her doctor that she won't start to lose weight to alleviate her problems if that is all that is given. So she got tests done and she got real treatment. Few months ago she realised that life would be easier if she loses weight. Not because those symptoms she still have but the fact that her knees are giving up. So she started dieting, good for her.
However, some people with ADHD have problems with binge or impulsive eating and gain weight or end up with eating disorders. So if fat is connected to binge or impulsive eating or overeating, it could be related to ADHD. But it wouldn't be a cause, it would be an effect or result.
Here's an elephant in the room: who would buy *anything* from a company called "goop"?
Apparently she noticed that Google and Facebook have two o's in them and became successful, so she took the o's and slapped her initials on it
Same folks that help out Nigerian princes with their banking.
Prequalifies their customers.
@@fredhasopinions What in the actual...
"We want to do better, but the system makes it hard" 😢
This nearly brought me to tears. The helplessness felt by the Healthcare professionals couldn't have been described better.
Loved your video !
Omg this is the best review of GOOP I've seen. It's so comprehensive and you are so articulate!! As a writer I am in love and so captivated with the flow of words in the way you've used them to present valid points so lucidly. There's no preamble no fluff it's eloquent and concise!!
Nicest compliment ever 😊
always some of my favourite content. my family has had alot of people approach us with ideas of homeopathic remedies, citing that lemon juice may just get rid of the cancer more efficiently than the chemotherapy. the fact that there are content creators like you still here is a good sign :)
Great video, I really love your work. I think the point you make about being listened to and treated like someone of value by alternative medicine practitioners is really important. People then often find a supportive community of other hyper positive people all thinking the same. To feel supported and not alone in this world and have a clear way to brand yourself in this social media-obsessed, neoliberal hellscape of an economic period is not something that can be dismissed or challenged so easily; hence that’s one reason why it’s so persistent.
If the conservatives have more funding to the NHS then people wouldn't feel so neglected and maybe they wouldn't turn to alternate medicine. Healthcare professionals are heroes but the people who cut their ability to do good are villians.
I visited an ayurvedic doctor on a whim, and this lady "diagnosed" my PCOS and fibroid within four minutes while my gynecologist hadn't noticed it for years, despite me telling her that I'd have pain during my cycle and excessive bleeding.
After changing my diet, visiting an acupuncturist for a few months and monitoring, that fibroid shrunk and pcos is under control.
"Traditional" doctors should take most of the blame, in my opinion. In my experience, doctors have treated people with symptoms and complaints as if they're stupid or hypochondriac "lite."
Not only that, but at least here in the States, it seems that doctors prefer to prescribe pills rather than listen and treat. Sorry, but I'd rather be healthy than medicated.
Not a fan of goop or the wellness industry that makes people feel like they need to pop vitamin packs to be healthy, but in some cases, that may be less damaging than being over prescribed and misdiagnosed.
I resent that this guy just lumps anything alternative into the quakery scheme...I too have had much improvement with Chinese medicine and acupuncture. A chiropractor saved my back several times and this is not due to a placebo effect. It is because my doctor just wanted to give pain medicine that I had to go to a chiropractor and pay out of pocket. I saw a great Ayurvedic doctor in Bali. I find it insulting that Western people just dismiss those healing forms...
@@aiai-j7i because all of it IS quackery!
lavinder11 how would you know that your PCOS was under control? Did you even bother doing tests? You're only feeling better because you ate better foods. DUH! Not because of what some quack did to you. You can't even be sure its REAL PCOS, are you? Most doctors who diagnose patients with PCOS will recommend changing their eating habits because PCOS messes with how your body uses insulin. As a result, you have a higher risk for diabetes, weight gain. Also, fibroids can shrink on their own and they can stop growing entirely. You just think its PCOS when it could be any number of things including endo and etc.
Flawless content and form. Brilliant. 10/10 did not get bogged down in the pointless process of disproving the factual basis of anti-scientific ideas, but instead commented on the appeal of these ideas. This is the essence of social commentary/criticism
I've always enjoyed your channel but as a fellow physician, let me tell you: I love you, man. I would sign every single word of this video. We must do a better job (after all, patient care starts with actually caring). The system fails us and our patients. One hope I have is that maybe we will live to see AI take on some of the burden and free us once again to talk to our patients. Have you read Deep Medicine? Do you have any thoughts on that?
I have read it and have got two people lined up to help me make some videos all about AI in medicine, in fact I've been meaning to for ages but it's a big topic and I haven't had much time to research. One is doing her PhD in medical AI and the other is a radiologist and programmer who runs an AI company. Talking to them brings things a little down to earth - yes it will help, but I don't think we'll see major changes to your or my career for a while yet. Deep Medicine was interesting but I didn't feel it told me anything I hadn't heard before and I take some of what Topol says with a pinch of salt. He's definitely a hype man, his twitter account is great but he's often a little wide eyed and optimistic about tiny trials.
@@MedlifeCrisis - if you'll indulge me, I'm curious to know what your current thoughts are re this topic.
I think some elements of complementary medicine have a place, when they are used as a complement, rather than replacing or getting in the way of conventional medicine. I use crystals or see osteopaths for myself for various minor ailments and feel some improvement (for whatever reason). I also sometimes use some of these to help with chronic pain, especially after the doctor I see for it deliberately told me that they have "given up" on getting me out of pain. But I'm going to always recommend for more serious ailments, for myself and others to go to doctors first. Get checked out, and I always recommend if you are looking to a complementary treatment, check if it's safe from an independent source. At worst, crystals, homeopathy, or reiki will just do nothing. Black salve burns your skin off.
i wanted to go to bed but now i gotta watch this video. i’ll blame you when i fall asleep during my lecture tomorrow lol
What do you mean. Thats what your meant to do isn't it??? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ ffs have I been doing it wrong for all these years
@@matthew-lukeratcliffe1718 Nah, dude, you're supposed to wait for the professor to begin, THEN sleep. It's only polite to wait!
Thank you for acknowledging these issues. I spent years in pseudoscience because I was accepted there, whereas DRs would constantly dismiss me and my health issues.
I still love the Skelton in the back. Pelvis looking shocked to be where the head should be.
You are so right! I am really lucky to have great doctors that actually listen and explain. It's so much better to feel that a doctor actually gets what I am telling him or her, reflects on it and explains why he or she does it doesn't a certain thing than having a doctor who might be highly qualified but doesn't listen to what I am saying. How could they diagnosed me without much "data" about an individual case. I have many mostly female friends that go to several doctors or stop going at all, because they feel that they aren't taken seriously. In most cases, they don't really listen and just say "It's psychosomatic". I find myself trying to be as confuse as possible and avoid showing discomfort or worries to avoid being treated like that. It works, but maybe that's not how it should be.
I am sure, most doctors try their best, but having to work in a system that doesn't give them time to listen, makes people turn away.
Interesting take, I was fully expecting just a bashing of goop, but a take from this perspective of what can people in medicine do to convince people they are the right choice, rather then saying why another choice is wrong, is a good direction to take this conversation
Bold take, I like it. As an American I always assumed part of the appeal was just being in control. The medical system here can make people feel very helpless and I personally have some horror stories around that. I was also without health insurance before Obamacare came into effect and I couldn't even see most types of doctors, even if I could pay out of pocket. In my neck of the woods, we now have Zoomcare for that reason. It lets people go 'just let me see a gastro and be checked for this specific condition' and they will deliver, even if the person is self pay.
one amazing video. its crazy to see you become more charismatic with every upload. One of my favorite channels
Ha! I started at rock bottom so it's not been that hard
i really appreciate these videos. i have a complex relationship with the medical system, and your honesty and explanations help me process the trauma i've gone through. i have an extremely rare syndrome and getting proper treatment for its symptoms has been a lifelong struggle. the person who saved me was my mother, who found my syndrome herself online (in 1998!) with no prior medical knowledge. without her insistence and fighting for me, i say with 100% certainty that i would not be alive. for example, her pushing to get me an MRI ended with emergency surgery to fix a spinal cord compression at C1.
the people i enjoy seeing the most are physiotherapists and clinical counselors. once i found good ones who listened to me, i was given that in-depth one-on-one time that homeopaths tend to grant other desperate people. i have the benefit of being visibly disabled, and i mean that. i have friends with invisible illnesses who are constantly suffering. there are a lot of biases, ableism, and red tape in the way of getting good treatment.
i'm still building up my care team after losing it all when i aged out of pediatrics (another big issue, because disabled kids grow into disabled adults and governments don't seem to get that?), and i'm determined to find the right doctors for me. thankfully, i'm not dying or anything so i can take my time and sit through the long waits. but many aren't so lucky to have that time or quality of life to manage waiting several months or years.
anyway, thank you for this and the other videos you do. understanding your biases and explaining why the medical system is the way it is is so important. it helped me see another angle of it. like i felt defensive when you said over-diagnosis is a huge problem, until you emphasized inconclusive diagnoses and treatments that did more harm than good. i've been through that many times, and just thought my doctors were being careless with me.
What genius thought "Goop" was a good name for a product?! It makes me want to retch just hearing it!
I sympathize with what you said about electronic medical records. Nowadays when I find myself sitting in the doctor's room, I no longer explain my situation. I just wait silently til the doctor is done clicking all the boxes on screen and then I leave with a prescription often without receiving an explanation.
A very sad state of affairs
Man's spittin' straight facts
I agree what you discussed, is a part of the problem, my doctors more than let me down, many verged on gaslighting me. I've been labelled with CFS and therefore dismissed and called a liar. Things seem to be getting better mostly because I switched surgery, only see women and don't discuss that topic. I understand there's no treatment, but there was no need for that when I was already so scared.
Even more brilliant than your other videos. I agree with you entirely that woo pedlars are dangerous at worst and pointless at best, but you express it so well.
I suspect that you are a little angry though.
This is me at almost my most angry. Almost.
@@MedlifeCrisis If that was you almost angry god help the man who makes you actually angry
@@matthew-lukeratcliffe1718 A wise man fears three things. The sea in a storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a calm man.
(Apparently the second one means NO moon, rather than a new moon, which would be pretty scary to be fair)
A big part of the problem is the doctors who ignore more recent science. I had a cardiologist tell me it was impossible to reverse CAD via diet. There are good publications by Esselstyn and others showing that a low-fat whole food plant-based diet can do so. I have now done so myself, but only by having to ignore what the cardiologist told me. (I now have a different cardiologist who champions my diet.)
This is why I maintain that House MD was educational - real medicine works, but it ain't pretty.
@paul w hey man, i watched all of it torrented on my computer ok, no tv involved
Excellent points!
There is a practise of polypharmacy in the US, as there is in France for that matter. In France people expect to leave their GP with a prescription in hand.
I have worked on clinical studies of people with diabetes mellitus and one of the most helpful interventions was to remove people from the huge number of drugs prescribed to them and get them to exercise and eat a reasonably good diet.
I think iatrogenic conditions are probably a lot more prevalent than doctors would like to admit to.
Goop is the iPhone of alternative therapy - you are paying for a luxury brand that actually delivers less than Android does but it's a luxury brand all the same.
Honestly, this entire premise is weird to me. I have never gone to a doctor expecting to come out with a prescription. In fact, I feel averse to that outcome. I better really need it.
Thank you for admitting all of this. As an afab person with chronic illnesses it feels impossible to get any doctor, particularly male doctors, to listen. I feel like shit every time I go to the doctors. Of course people in that position are going to turn to alternative medicine.
I agree with everything you said, with one exception. Paranoid doctors who over-investigate symptoms are the least of anyone's concerns. Overworked doctors are more prone to negligence and dismissal than anything else. Many of the people I have met who denounce vaccines and go to 'rebirthing' ceremonies and chiropractors were repeatedly misdiagnosed and denied the level of investigation needed to accurately identify the cause of their illness. The debilitating symptoms of connective tissue disorders, rare neurological conditions, various cancers and autoimmune diseases are often mis-attributed to mental illness. This sows seeds of distrust that many people struggle to overcome. Research into rare diseases is also criminally underfunded in many cases, meaning there may be few to no effective treatments available. Sometimes medicine is available, but not at an affordable cost, or only on trial. Medical science is a beautiful thing, but it is also all that we have, and it is sadly not perfect. I have learned to respect some of the snake oil consumers because I now understand that many of them feel scared, desperate and betrayed.
Absolutely great video. I am always incredibly impressed with the level headed, rational, and thoughtful way in which you approach any topic. Very happy I found this channel. I find I learn a lot from you and your videos are also often funny and never boring.
I canceled Netflix subscription and told them it's because of the goop lab. They don't care if you do not watch it or protest loudly but they do care if people don't give them money.
I do think we need more regulation for the types of companies who sell this stuff, I saw a CBD Vape pop up stall claiming that CBD was not only beneficial but required as part of a healthy life. This in the local shopping centre where the middle and high school kids walk through to get home.
My daughter in law has a degenerative neurological disorder akin to ALS. She has real, physical problems complicated by understandable depression and anxiety. She is currently on 22 different medications, all of which flag major drug interactions when administered together. She has significant side effects from this potentially toxic cocktail circulating in her body. What she really needs is for her providers to stop and LISTEN to her, to be emotionally supportive and to STOP throwing drugs at her complaints. However, the "system" does not allow physicians that luxury for the most part as they have to focus on filling in the proper boxes in the electronic medical record in order to obtain the needed monetary reimbursement for their services and ordering diagnostic tests to exclude worst possible scenarios to cover their asses from litigation. They are also pressured by a mindset that mandates they "fix" their patients, often in violation of their Hippocratic oath to "first, do no harm". Most physicians care about their patients and try their best but the system is stacked against people like my daughter in law and she is suffering for it.
I'd love for you to do a more in-depth look at chiropractors. You seem to dislike them quite a bit, but I've got a lot of help from them throughout the years. It sounds like there's different forms of practice and specialization, and that might be why there's such a split view on their usefulness.
The problem is primarily that they don't do proper research. They don't test their methods and they're oblivious to the risks of some of the manipulations.
Every time I'm in hospital I want to hang out with certain people I encounter in the profession but I'm always too busy being a patient (had excellent chat with anaesthetist during c section, she was lovely, but then she went away and I got busy puking, thanks diamorphine, etc) and this is the closest I'll get to just shadowing someone working in medicine. I've met so many people I wished I could be friends with/wished I wasn't so distracted by something happening to me at the time to let them know they're great at their job. I think they might be my people. 💗
one of the issues with alternative medicine is that it requires the participation of patient to work. and often in western culture (especially women) it is seen as bad taste to straight up tell them theyre being stupid and to see a real doctor. its really hard to tell your own friends or others in your social group that what theyre doing isnt helping infear of offending them.
My problem with this is that things such as cbd and other "natural remedies" have quite compelling studies but are still considered complementary or alternative, and the only reason for this is lack of research and policy.
I would argue that it is mostly caused by the excess of comfort, arrogance and bad education. As people live longer and with less health issues, we start taking things for granted and eventually can forget why we have so much comfort in our lives. Even worse if nobody taught you that originally.
"Oh I've never been in a car accident. Since I am such a great driver it is safe for me to drive way above the speed limit and run the red lights."
I think that's a good point. In less developed countries where health is not taken for granted you have far fewer problems with vaccine conspiracy theories. Quackery exists but it's often due to lack of education and access to proper medicine and when people have that, they stop seeing the quacks. In those countries the devastating effects of things like polio exist in recent memory so they don't buy the bullshit.
my alternative medicine for crippling panic attacks is listening to this voice. works.every.time.
As a young person (well... now almost 30, but docs still treat me like I’m 10) with a disease that causes chronic pain- I’m sick and tired of people telling me I’ll be cured by goop like snake oil. Have I tried crystals? Acupuncture? Essential oils? Fuck no. I have tried chiropractic, which felt good at the time but has no long lasting results for my condition or pain. So, no, it’s not worth the 120$ per visit. I highly recommend finding a DO instead of MD. They have spent way more time with me and taken the time to understand my condition and how it affects my life.
Doctor, your prescription is a wonderful one! One piece of advice though - when any purveyor of Woo approaches, be most wary of those with headgear. They are the most dangerous.
This reminds me of when on the last day of August 2019, following my epilepsy returning in the same year in March and having 3 seizures, my parents and my siblings and I went quite far to go to a homeopath who sold them something for £300 to help or as he said 'cure' my epilepsy and I swore to them I wouldn't take it, being someone who wants to do medicine and understands it. They told me to take it so I did and 4 days afterward in September I had my worst seizure in that whole year. Since then they have left it in a cupboard somewhere and I dont take it but I take what a neurologist prescribed me: Sodium valproate 300mg which makes me feel like utter shit but I havent suffered a seizure since Sept 2019. I have idiopathic generalised epilepsy and this, I hope, has truly opened my parents' eyes as to the true reality of these outright bogus liars.
I hate to tell you this, but you’re doing journalism here, and it is better than the mainstream approach.
From the title, I thought this was going to be a video about blaming consumers and rehashing the usual apologetics for corporations, I was about to get my pitchfork, but it turns out I should be more positive and less judgmental. Thank you.
I am a year late for this video. You are a very kind man for you choose to see the good sides of people. However, some people do "defensive medicine" because it is profitable for the hospital/organization they work for. I had met a few students who are studying to become a doctor, openly admitting they would overdiagnose to make money.
Goop is a part of the problem.
And oh my god Charlie (moistcr1tikal) is in this video this video just became even better
And Jon too, that's pretty cool
Bursty McBubble here, he probably just typed in "Goop" with maybe something extra into youtube and picked the ones that seemed popular. While my fanfiction would also be that Dr. Caramel Lightning and Moistcr1tical team up as "Flying Doctor and the Fleshlight Knight" I'm guessing that will remain a fantasy.
Who doesn’t wanna smell iron mans fingers?
A very important topic to put on the spotlight on as recently. But the wim Hoff pun was indeed made it for me. Your comedy allways somehow allways shines through
Ohhh I get it "if it ducks like a quack" haha that took me 3+ videos over several months to get.
It is pretty clever wordplay, isn't it? :)
It's brilliant.
same here 😬
Nice to see that you are honest about the shortcomings. A British doctor trying to improve conditions did a couple of interesting shows on BBC. He found it hard, but he was able to help 2 people with years of chronic pain using Physical Therapy. He also showed a big improvement in medicine reduction for (heart/cholesterol/etc) with 30min a day of walking. Not a cure-all, but many common problems seem solvable, the problem is that taking a pill is easier for both the doctor and the patient than 30min of walking 5 times a week.
There needs to be a "nudge" ... maybe a system where patients can only continue to get the meds if they show proof of making the right corrective effort (PT exercises, walking, etc)...then be weaned off the meds when the positive changes take effect?
More time needed in the short run, but less time and money in the long run. And most importantly, it should greatly improve the trust of patients.