Dude I am so glad that I'm not the only one who realizes the versatility in this theme. The map theme will always be my favorite though because of how much it just continues to grow on itself and make this profound and beautiful effect.
I'm glad other people see it too! The Map theme is definitely special in its own ways. I'm also covering it again (probably in more detail than in my Legend Has It video) in my upcoming Flying With Mother analysis.
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@@FilmScoreandMore I did not! I had listened to the separate tracks together but never realized the connections. I had a hunch with the "Toothless Lost" and "Found" tracks but never consciously I knew.
@@FilmScoreandMore Yeah. As you've mentioned, I have seen it be mistaken for Valka's theme, of which I see no correspondence, other than it being when she's present on screen a couple times, intentionally for that matter, as part of her character relates to the theme, but its done cleverly.
I saw the first movie in theaters when I was little. I was there for a birthday party set up for a close friend and next-door neighbor. I remember walking out of the theater in tears, but I was not sad. I was overjoyed. These movies filled my mind with flight and my heart with music. That's what really makes these movies that much more special to me. These pieces of music surround and fill you with a sense of wonder that I have never seen replicated. Its soaring strings and triumphant brass take you on a journey through the sky you never want to be let down from. When I hear this music, I'm no longer a girl with a painfully ordinary life. When I hear this music... I'm a dragon.
Hey, be sure to click through to part 2 (linked below)! This video was never intended to be split in half, so it's kind of unfortunate I've had to do this and part 2 only has about half the views and likes. Thanks for watching, give me your thoughts, and ask whatever questions you might have. How do you typically identify the meaning of a theme/leitmotif in a score? What makes you decide what it represents? I’m interested to hear what you have to say! Lost and Found Part 2: ruclips.net/video/8pDlABeOTvE/видео.html
i typically can tell pretty easily if it’s an obvious character theme like astrid’s or stoick’s. but a lot of times i see other’s names for themes like how sideways defines hiccup’s theme in his “why httyd has the best opening” vid or how kingofthewilderwest wrote some essays on tumblr categorizing themes. if i haven’t seen someone else’s interpretation and i still don’t know the name of a theme, i listen for every instance and use scenes and scores’ vids to help me see what those instances have in common and i name the theme after that. eventually, i want to make a series cataloguing ever instance of every theme in the trilogy, so i’ve spent a lot of time analyzing this music haha
@@tabbytacocat That's an interesting process to go by. I also use the Scenes and Scores videos (as I mentioned here) to understand their use in context of the story. I have a few ideas of my own of what some of the themes could be, but every now and then I find something new that changes my perspective.
I know! The first movie is about to turn ten years old, and yet a lot of those themes are the ones I'm most uncertain of. I would recommend checking out various John Powell interviews and his Facebook page, where he posts a lot of inside info.
Thank you for this. I'm good at picking up themes and motifs in soundtracks and this is my favorite one from the second film but I didn't really know what to call it. I just called it the HTTYD 2 theme. I'm glad to hear John Powell has a name for it
Thanks for your comment! Yes, this is probably the most abstract and specific of the HTTYD themes, the hardest to find the meaning of on your own. I'm not sure if you've seen any yet, but I have a whole series of these videos. I did a fun one on how the bagpipes are used, one on For the Dancing and the Dreaming, and I'm editing one now on the diverse cultural influences on the score. I think you'd really enjoy them! Thanks again for your comment, I appreciate knowing what other fans think.
@@FilmScoreandMore Yep. I watched both those videos immediately after I finished these ones. I hope you do more HTTYD score analysis in the future because you're really good at it
@@leahtheanimationfan40 Thanks for the support! I do have plans for more, they're just time-consuming. Hopefully I'll be able to get more out faster. And be on the lookout for the next one in the next week or so!
Just found out about your channel and I'm loving the videos so much, it's all so well made! Subscribed in an instant! You deserve more subscribers for sure.
i just finished watching the second part of this vid, and thats all i have watched so far. But i have to say, its suprising how good ur vids really are, and i wish more people recognized the effort u put into this
@@emilwulff2073 Thank you. I’m definitely growing a community over time, it just takes a long time for people to gain traction on RUclips. I hope you enjoy my other videos and what’s to come.
Interesting! I always subconsciously assumed that theme was the theme of the second movie just because it was played so many times in different variations (kinda like Test drive and it’s repetitions) but you summarised it nicely!
interesting interpretation! i’ve always called this them the “protector of the dragons” theme because it shifts from valka to toothless as that title/role also shifts. but i love this interpretation of it too, and i think both ideas are valid
Thanks! I think it's interesting how everyone takes a different idea of what each theme is, and funnily enough this is the theme John Powell has spoken about most often in interviews. This is definitively what he had in mind for this theme and I just wanted to bring some attention to it finally. I think this one's especially hard to guess because it represents such an abstract idea he had in mind, not something so obvious. Edit: Were you able to get to the second video also? I only had to split this in two because of copyright and Part 2 is where I further explain Powell's ideas for the theme, what it really represents, and how it applies to the story.
Alright, I won't tell you you yet. And I know exactly where you got that interpretation from. Edit: I should also mention that I have no idea when this next video will be out because I can't work on these projects full time. I just have to do my best to get it out soon.
That's a fair theory. I'm planning a video on that one, I'm just not sure if it will be immediately after the one I'm finishing up now or later. I'll give you a hint though; like Lost and Found, the name of that theme is kind of in the track title.
@@joaomarcos2089 Thanks! I had some setbacks on that video and I think it may be due for a re-write, but I still plan to make it. I can tell you right now I’m making a follow up to my video about the bagpipes in HTTYD with more updated and interesting info, and after that I’m doing one that explains the main themes, how they were written, and how they tell the story; there’s a lot that most fans still don’t know that I already do. It’s been kind of slow going, but my other HTTYD score analysis videos (on the bagpipes in HTTYD and For the Dancing and the Dreaming) are available. I hope to see you around more.
@@FilmScoreandMore oh, I see I missed your newest video on For the Dancing and the Dreaming, at least I have something to go through the wait! Best wishes, and don't rush it. Also, beware the copyright!
@@joaomarcos2089 Thanks for your patience, and yes, copyright is a huge issue. I think I have some things figured out at this point that should prevent videos from getting cut in half or taken down.
Thanks! I had a backwards research process; I found all the information for fun and then decided to make a video out of it, thus having to track a lot of sources down.
Good question! It's really hard to say and honestly it might just depend on whatever I've been listening to lately. I like a lot of the new themes and the way old ones are done in original ways. But to give a more specific answer, a few favorites are: Legend Has It, Exodus, Third Date, Furies in Love, As Long as He's Safe, and Once There Were Dragons. I know that's a long answer but there are so many details I really enjoy!
I’ve been analyzing these themes for some time now (almost obsessively atm) and I’ve been listening to the lost and found theme and feel like “The Dancing and the Dreaming” also has and element of this theme in it. Maybe they’re just really similar?
I have a feeling they have a few similarities either by coincidence or maybe some of the themes were meant to come from the same language and patterns so to speak (I'm not actually a music expert). Have you had a chance to check out part 2? That's where things get very interesting!
Well, thanks for watching both and for the comment! There's certainly a lot to notice in these scores. I'm currently working on the next video like this and I'm hoping to have it up relatively soon, but it's hard to know when.
No, you’re thinking of the Map Theme. I’m still working on a video about it, but in the meantime I briefly explained it in my videos on Legend Has It/Cliffside Playtime and Flying With Mother. ruclips.net/video/OyO9mmJCEy8/видео.htmlsi=QuR3qmhGhbD2amBP ruclips.net/video/3b6yXIvR8pI/видео.htmlsi=hUAsMzrWbYvHjVwy
Dude I am so glad that I'm not the only one who realizes the versatility in this theme. The map theme will always be my favorite though because of how much it just continues to grow on itself and make this profound and beautiful effect.
I'm glad other people see it too! The Map theme is definitely special in its own ways. I'm also covering it again (probably in more detail than in my Legend Has It video) in my upcoming Flying With Mother analysis.
@@FilmScoreandMore I'll be waiting. Take your time your stuff is always great
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This theme has to be one of my favorites, if not then THE favorite. It has so much emotion and power in it, its written so incredibly well.
It does and is! Did you know before this video what it represents?
Same
@@FilmScoreandMore I did not! I had listened to the separate tracks together but never realized the connections. I had a hunch with the "Toothless Lost" and "Found" tracks but never consciously I knew.
It’s a very specific idea, really. I’d be surprised if anyone were that close.
@@FilmScoreandMore Yeah. As you've mentioned, I have seen it be mistaken for Valka's theme, of which I see no correspondence, other than it being when she's present on screen a couple times, intentionally for that matter, as part of her character relates to the theme, but its done cleverly.
I saw the first movie in theaters when I was little. I was there for a birthday party set up for a close friend and next-door neighbor. I remember walking out of the theater in tears, but I was not sad. I was overjoyed. These movies filled my mind with flight and my heart with music. That's what really makes these movies that much more special to me. These pieces of music surround and fill you with a sense of wonder that I have never seen replicated. Its soaring strings and triumphant brass take you on a journey through the sky you never want to be let down from. When I hear this music, I'm no longer a girl with a painfully ordinary life. When I hear this music...
I'm a dragon.
It’s a really great movie and powerful music!
Hey, be sure to click through to part 2 (linked below)! This video was never intended to be split in half, so it's kind of unfortunate I've had to do this and part 2 only has about half the views and likes.
Thanks for watching, give me your thoughts, and ask whatever questions you might have. How do you typically identify the meaning of a theme/leitmotif in a score? What makes you decide what it represents? I’m interested to hear what you have to say!
Lost and Found Part 2: ruclips.net/video/8pDlABeOTvE/видео.html
i typically can tell pretty easily if it’s an obvious character theme like astrid’s or stoick’s. but a lot of times i see other’s names for themes like how sideways defines hiccup’s theme in his “why httyd has the best opening” vid or how kingofthewilderwest wrote some essays on tumblr categorizing themes. if i haven’t seen someone else’s interpretation and i still don’t know the name of a theme, i listen for every instance and use scenes and scores’ vids to help me see what those instances have in common and i name the theme after that.
eventually, i want to make a series cataloguing ever instance of every theme in the trilogy, so i’ve spent a lot of time analyzing this music haha
@@tabbytacocat That's an interesting process to go by. I also use the Scenes and Scores videos (as I mentioned here) to understand their use in context of the story. I have a few ideas of my own of what some of the themes could be, but every now and then I find something new that changes my perspective.
it’s always great to find something new which completely changes what you thought you knew about a theme!
I know! The first movie is about to turn ten years old, and yet a lot of those themes are the ones I'm most uncertain of. I would recommend checking out various John Powell interviews and his Facebook page, where he posts a lot of inside info.
Thank you for this. I'm good at picking up themes and motifs in soundtracks and this is my favorite one from the second film but I didn't really know what to call it. I just called it the HTTYD 2 theme. I'm glad to hear John Powell has a name for it
Thanks for your comment! Yes, this is probably the most abstract and specific of the HTTYD themes, the hardest to find the meaning of on your own.
I'm not sure if you've seen any yet, but I have a whole series of these videos. I did a fun one on how the bagpipes are used, one on For the Dancing and the Dreaming, and I'm editing one now on the diverse cultural influences on the score. I think you'd really enjoy them!
Thanks again for your comment, I appreciate knowing what other fans think.
@@FilmScoreandMore Yep. I watched both those videos immediately after I finished these ones. I hope you do more HTTYD score analysis in the future because you're really good at it
@@leahtheanimationfan40 Thanks for the support! I do have plans for more, they're just time-consuming. Hopefully I'll be able to get more out faster. And be on the lookout for the next one in the next week or so!
Just found out about your channel and I'm loving the videos so much, it's all so well made! Subscribed in an instant! You deserve more subscribers for sure.
Thanks a lot, that helps! I'm also making more, but it takes quite a bit of time.
Which videos have you enjoyed so far?
same
That’s great, thanks. What else have you watched so far? I’ve got a full analysis on Flying With Mother coming soon.
i just finished watching the second part of this vid, and thats all i have watched so far. But i have to say, its suprising how good ur vids really are, and i wish more people recognized the effort u put into this
@@emilwulff2073 Thank you. I’m definitely growing a community over time, it just takes a long time for people to gain traction on RUclips. I hope you enjoy my other videos and what’s to come.
Interesting! I always subconsciously assumed that theme was the theme of the second movie just because it was played so many times in different variations (kinda like Test drive and it’s repetitions) but you summarised it nicely!
interesting interpretation! i’ve always called this them the “protector of the dragons” theme because it shifts from valka to toothless as that title/role also shifts. but i love this interpretation of it too, and i think both ideas are valid
Thanks! I think it's interesting how everyone takes a different idea of what each theme is, and funnily enough this is the theme John Powell has spoken about most often in interviews. This is definitively what he had in mind for this theme and I just wanted to bring some attention to it finally. I think this one's especially hard to guess because it represents such an abstract idea he had in mind, not something so obvious.
Edit: Were you able to get to the second video also? I only had to split this in two because of copyright and Part 2 is where I further explain Powell's ideas for the theme, what it really represents, and how it applies to the story.
I did watch the second vid, I just didn’t comment on that one. You’re doing really good work here, I always love to see content on these movies!
Thanks for the support! The next video is on the bagpipes of HTTYD and it should be a very fun and interesting one!
oh yesss! i can’t wait! are you talking about how they mark toothless as the unknown world? wait, don’t tell me, i’m so excited!
Alright, I won't tell you you yet. And I know exactly where you got that interpretation from.
Edit: I should also mention that I have no idea when this next video will be out because I can't work on these projects full time. I just have to do my best to get it out soon.
Running over to part two to finish this!!
Thanks! This was before I knew how little copyrighted material I could use. It’s not much.
Okay I recently watched httyd 3 for the first time since I saw it in theaters and at a certain part, the lost and found theme came in and I bawled
It's powerful! Especially if you understand what it represents and know the background behind it.
Good work ma dude, I like how you go into detail about the origin of the score
Thanks Kemor! Good to see you here. Thanks for checking it out.
This is amazing, I'll be going on to part 2 right away! Thanks for telling me about this vid you made :)
I'm glad you decided to check it out!
I always tough that the 'together we map the world' theme was 'changes' theme
That's a fair theory. I'm planning a video on that one, I'm just not sure if it will be immediately after the one I'm finishing up now or later. I'll give you a hint though; like Lost and Found, the name of that theme is kind of in the track title.
@@FilmScoreandMore how's that going? Your perceptions on this soundtrack are great, please keep them coming!
@@joaomarcos2089 Thanks! I had some setbacks on that video and I think it may be due for a re-write, but I still plan to make it. I can tell you right now I’m making a follow up to my video about the bagpipes in HTTYD with more updated and interesting info, and after that I’m doing one that explains the main themes, how they were written, and how they tell the story; there’s a lot that most fans still don’t know that I already do.
It’s been kind of slow going, but my other HTTYD score analysis videos (on the bagpipes in HTTYD and For the Dancing and the Dreaming) are available. I hope to see you around more.
@@FilmScoreandMore oh, I see I missed your newest video on For the Dancing and the Dreaming, at least I have something to go through the wait! Best wishes, and don't rush it. Also, beware the copyright!
@@joaomarcos2089 Thanks for your patience, and yes, copyright is a huge issue. I think I have some things figured out at this point that should prevent videos from getting cut in half or taken down.
Well researched and interesting! Good job!
Thanks! I had a backwards research process; I found all the information for fun and then decided to make a video out of it, thus having to track a lot of sources down.
I also once thought lost and found was Valka's theme, but then again she has another theme that plays only for a while
You are correct. I'm planning on addressing that in a video one day.
What os your favorite music in httyd 3 ? My favorite music is when hiccup and Astrid find the hidden world
Good question! It's really hard to say and honestly it might just depend on whatever I've been listening to lately. I like a lot of the new themes and the way old ones are done in original ways. But to give a more specific answer, a few favorites are: Legend Has It, Exodus, Third Date, Furies in Love, As Long as He's Safe, and Once There Were Dragons. I know that's a long answer but there are so many details I really enjoy!
@@FilmScoreandMore me too I'm very fan of this movie ! What is your favorite hero and Dragon ?
@@benjirig8579 Hiccup and Toothless would always have to be my favorites.
@@FilmScoreandMore me too. I like too the two ( sister and brother) their name is Kranedur and Kognedur in French
@@benjirig8579 Oh, Ruffnut and Tuffnut? Yeah they can be funny.
I’ve been analyzing these themes for some time now (almost obsessively atm) and I’ve been listening to the lost and found theme and feel like “The Dancing and the Dreaming” also has and element of this theme in it. Maybe they’re just really similar?
I have a feeling they have a few similarities either by coincidence or maybe some of the themes were meant to come from the same language and patterns so to speak (I'm not actually a music expert). Have you had a chance to check out part 2? That's where things get very interesting!
Yes, I watched it directly after this part, it just seemed more appropriate to bring this up here.
Well, thanks for watching both and for the comment! There's certainly a lot to notice in these scores. I'm currently working on the next video like this and I'm hoping to have it up relatively soon, but it's hard to know when.
@@miladypocket I just got the notification; thanks for subscribing, I appreciate it!
Thank you, very good narration. Subbed;)
Thanks for the praise and the sub! Were you able to watch both parts? I really didn't want to have to split it in two.
Isn’t the first time this is played in ”together we map the world”?
No, you’re thinking of the Map Theme. I’m still working on a video about it, but in the meantime I briefly explained it in my videos on Legend Has It/Cliffside Playtime and Flying With Mother.
ruclips.net/video/OyO9mmJCEy8/видео.htmlsi=QuR3qmhGhbD2amBP
ruclips.net/video/3b6yXIvR8pI/видео.htmlsi=hUAsMzrWbYvHjVwy
I don’t procrastinate... I just know I work better under pressure.
Same as John Powell, then!
Says a lot about me too