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An Honest Review of the Genesis "Last Domino" Tour. Sigh...
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- Опубликовано: 17 дек 2021
- In this video I discuss the disappointment that was "The Last Domino" tour by progressive rock band Genesis. Genesis is one of my favorite bands of all time but Phil Collins' diminished vocal ability pretty much ruined the show for me.
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For those of you who are coming down on me for criticizing Phil's voice, watch this and stfu ruclips.net/user/shorts9j1p2V4cOoU
what you talking about, nothing is going to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. his voice is fucked simple as that.If you can't hear that , you're tone deaf.
The weird thing is how he's so behind the music, it's odd.
I didn't read your review and don't need to. However, I agree with whatever you said. How can a band as huge as this sign off with making a complete arse of themselves on stage? It's unbelievable. The guy can dance, the guy can't sing, he just sittin' there sellin' his thing - and I ain't buyin" I'm really disappointed they would even think about doing this.
The London shows just happened, I went to all three.
Night 1 Phil needed to warm up - got really into it half way through the gig.
Night 2 he was hot on the first half but it faded after Duchess (sorry of that's some form of spoiler)
Night 3 was emotional from start to finish. Not one dry eye in the entire room. The final send off.
The band promised one last tour. They delivered.
Are they a collective of 70 year old men? Yes. Is it a miracle to even have seen them perform? Yes.
I waited 15 years for last week end. I have to say, it was worth the wait.
If anything - I've learnt something from these gigs: our bodies break down, and we lose the ability to do the things we once could, but music is forever.
I'll carry those nights - this tour, no matter the opinion to my grave as I was there at the farewell of one of the greatest bands of all time.
That comes above all quality if you ask me.
you were definitely witnessing a part of history that will never be repeated again
@@DancingwithGhosts and you're not contributing a fuck to it! so delete your stupid ''review'' and get a proper job, if you don't have one!
First of all he did this tour for his son...he said it...and its really a goodbye tour..hes disabled....its actually much better than I expected...great to see father n son together *..down to earth no props....its over...los endos my friends thanks for the memories u done good !!
I’m a huge Genesis fan and I always wanted to see them live with my son and this tour made it happen. I was very happy to see them and they sounded great. Of course they are not in their prime anymore and Phil cannot jump and run around the stage like he used to but so what? For us die-hard fans, it’s always great to see them on the stage.
i mean.. that's your take on it.. and that's great you could have that experience with your son but as an objective consumer of the bands i like, i have to be able to admit when something they do isn't up to par and Phil just isn't show-ready.. he set the bar very high and this is an instance when they should have just hung it up but again... JUST MY OPINION
@@DancingwithGhosts
I can respect your opinion; but when you upload the video on RUclips for all public to see, you will hear all sort of different “opinions”.
I mean think about their age and look around you. Do you know anyone in their 70’s doing what they do? On the world tour since last September, getting on/off the plane, deal with jet-lag, rehearsals, on the stage for over two hours for each shows. At least I don’t know anyone that tough in their age group.
Most of us fans knew Phil’s conditions before purchasing the ticket. I don’t regret a minute of paying for the show and will do it again.
@@DancingwithGhosts your opinion just happens to be a dumb one that's all
obviously people who grew up watching the band, this is for them not you
@@DancingwithGhosts You're 100% right.
I saw them in Philly, NYC and Boston on this tour. Seeing the show live was different and much better than the videos posted from people's phones. It's was completely different when immersed into the live production vs watching a crappy video and hearing crappy audio. Were there misses? Yes. Did any of them spoil it for me? No. I am of an age where I've seen a number of what I call 401k, retirement tours, and do not feel this was one.
Saw them last week in Elmont, NY. It was incredible IMO, but it was sad to see Phil in the condition he's in. He did seem like he was enjoying himself, and the band sounded great. Was definitely the highlight of the year for me.
Cool that you got to see him!👍
I will say that seeing a band live in person that your ears do tend to forgive flaws much more than hearing a recording of a band so I get that. But watching it and hearing it on video is pretty brutal because it presents the audio objectively. With all that being said I would still love to see them if they came anywhere near Florida but of course they’re not going to do that because they apparently hate the south as was seen from their last tour in 2007
@@DancingwithGhosts I’d rather remember them how they used to be, I can’t bear seeing Phil in that state with the songs all keyed down so they don’t even sound right anymore. Some songs were keyed down 4 steps.
@@Eleventhearlofmars Yes. That Mama clip was down a 4th! Wow.
Genesis what a band
I do feel that Chester Thompson got treated a bit harshly. At the end of the day, they were replacing the double drum set up, which was a massive part of their live sound, with a more one-dimensional sound.
might have been a budget thing.. might have been an age thing for chester, might have been a ''nick collins show'' thing who knows
@@DancingwithGhosts I believe if Nick was behind the drum kit there would be no tour. Phil did it because he wanted to play music with his son in Genesis.
I 100% agree with you man has a huge fan of Genesis and Phil Collins. Phil was one of my idols who inspired me to play drums coming out of high school. His music inspired me for many years and his live promises were absolutely breathtaking. But phil is at a point now to where he barely can't even sing or hit a high note if he wanted to when I saw a clip on RUclips of Phil doing his famous tambourine dance at the last Domino tour I nearly almost teared up because he looked like he was falling apart especially due to the fact that he used to be on point with that dance back in the day. I mean the man is 71 now and he already looks 95 if anything so should I have called it quits back in 2007 when he was still agile and energetic. But of course legal troubles alcoholism and near suicide drove him back to doing shows again. It's really really sad in my opinion to see one of the best Prog bands to ever exist turn into a nursing home show for the elderly.
Johan eights I feel the exact same way my friend. When I saw some clips on RUclips it was absolutely ridiculous like I said Phil looks terrible and he really shouldn't be out there. I'd rather live with the memories of when Phil was great back in the seventies and eighties and nineties instead of looking at him now where he can't even walk that good.. And like you said he looks like hes 95 years old. Just terrible and sad and it sucks when your heroes get old and frail.
It happened to the drummer alan white from yes who just passed away recently. He was 73 and he looked horrible in the last few years of his life an absolute shame he was a great drummer. He was in a wheelchair and he lost weight and looked terrible. You should know when it's time to step down and realize it and go out with some dignity. Some people age well and some don't unfortunately.
Got ten seconds in. Reviewing a mobile phone video of a concert you weren’t at. For half an hour. Sigh.
audio capture has become very servicable on modern cell phones, i can bet you money they will never release this footage in an official manner because everybody with ears knows this sounds like ass
@Dancing with Ghosts. I was at the O2 last Saturday for the last ever show. The sound was amazing. Listening to audio capture on youtube is no comparison.
I'm so sorry if you had to endure the 29:18 of this video. I was lucky enough to be able attend one of their shows, they are still top notch, as expected, even with Phil sitting.
I'm so glad I saw them in their prime in the 1990s, I love Genesis and didn't want to see Phi n that misery state id rather listen to the albums than spunk hundreds of pounds on tickets its not cheap to go to concerts now.
23:30 My goodness, “Invisible Touch” was tuned down a FOURTH (five semitones, or five “keys” as you call it). HOnestly, this is heartbreaking to watch. And I now understand better than ever why Rush (one of my other favorite bands) called it quits in 2015 - when Neil Peart (RIP, he was already ill at that point though this was kept quiet) could still with great effort play flawlessly. He simply decided that he was no longer able to perform at the level their audience deserved.
thanks for breaking down exactly how many keys i was always curious how long they actually made it and yeah it's pretty bad.. loses a lot of it's magic
I completely disagree. While Phil's vocal ability was diminished, HE was incredible, in my mind better than ever. I left the concert feeling inspired. Phil's been through A LOT, and I was impressed that he, Tony, Mike and co. were able to pull off these performances at such a high level. I believe that the band is performing for all the right reasons, and I wish them nothing but the best. Will I buy the live album? Of course not. (I really doubt there will be one.) But for me, sound wasn't really the point. It was more about the performance and seeing these guys one final time. And Phil gave an amazing performance, particularly given his current constraints.
I can imagine it being sad for a lot of people but I totally disagree on the word ‘embarrassing’. And I think we should not compare this show to their earlier shows. We KNOW they’re far from their prima but the show in itself is still great. Also, I think about the word sad in a different way. This tour showcases the inevitability of time. For the people who has performed all their life it’s hard to accept that part of their life is over, but it’s inevitable. I absolutely adore the fact that Phil is passing on, or at least trying, the sticks (and the music) to his son, which is also a beautiful gesture fitting in the ‘inevitability of time’ thought. All in all I think 2007 would have been a great final farewell tour, but as the band members say, they didn’t feel like it was a final farewell. So to let them have this final farewell, and close the book in London later on, is a great thing to have in my opinion.
The one good thing was that at the end of "The Musical Box" Phil didn't have to wear the mask.
Lol
I was at a 2019 concert in Hannover, Germany. Of course, I also recognized the decline of his voice, but voices are changing, and Phil is kinda old now, so it was not very suprising that he didn't reach the level he used to. Also, it depended on the song: While "Another day in paradise" sounded really good, the Genesis classic "Land of confusion" which he also played sounded not that good. And yes, when I compare some songs he sang in older live appearances, it's obviously not the same anymore, in example comparing "Against all odds" from the 1985 Live Aid version with the version of the 2019 concert. But to be fair, he used to be a really good live singer back then, and he was okay when I was there. I am also glad that I saw him. Greetings from Germany! :)
Actually, I loved those videos that you showed to us on your review. Nice shot and sound, even PC. Could you please send us the link to it (for the whole show)? ✌️
You make some valid points, but I disagree. This is the band saying goodbye. Full stop. None of these frontmen from this era can do what they once did. Maybe the dude from Styx and Jon Anderson from Yes. Billy Joel is an absolute joke nowadays, even Peter Gabriel can do it anymore. I am a professional singer and teacher of singing and I like to use an analogy of a major league pitcher. There are only so many fast balls in the gun. That applies to high notes. We are all human and the body fails where the spirit still is willing. FYI I absolutely love Domino.
I agree that they were lessened considerably. He cannot sing, he cannot play. It is not something I wanted to see so I have checked out some vids and people are looking with rose colored glasses who cannot accept it. I don't think it was a money grab per se, but it is sad.
I agree with you. I think they could've at least tried mixing up the set list more to accommodate the situation. Maybe more gentle songs with less intense vocal parts, this would've been a great excuse to put underrated songs in the set. More instrumental parts. And most of all but of course least likely, at least cameo appearances from Steve, Peter, Ant, Ray!
Ray Wilson has nothing to do with Genesis, man, and the sole album he was in was pure crap!
@@jaywalker6781 Except that he was invited by Tony and Mike to be the lead singer on the album and to do a tour with them.
But sure... Ray had nothing to do with it!
But I kinda feel everything post-Hackett was pure crap.
Supper's Ready or Illegal Alien? Decisions, decsions.
@@buppie2000 Except that the album in question is a piece of crap with absolutely nothing valuable on it!
@@jaywalker6781 Might be. Never heard it. I clocked out after Wind and Wuthering.
Ray even contributed writing. But sure, Ray had nothing whatsoever to do with Genesis.
What I said still stands.
it's been a while since it's release but you should do a honest review of AC/DC's latest album POWER UP. Honestly, it seems like their comeback album but I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.
oof.. yeah i probably wouldn't be a good guy for that I'm not the biggest ACDC fan
I thought Phil did a very good job considering his health issues. At first it was disconcerting seeing him singing slumped in a chair-and not a very comfortable looking one at that-but his spirits seemed to be good. I would have loved to have caught a show on the tour. Maybe it’s not The Last Domino. If Phil’s back and leg issues improve, who knows how he will feel about hitting the road again. Doesn’t seem likely now, but McCartney and Jagger are still touring.
I saw them many times going back to Earls Court London in 1977, and the last show I saw was the 2007 tour in Amsterdam which was outstanding. Phil was brilliant on the Turn It On Again tour 2007 running all over the place, the deterioration in his health from 2007 is quite shocking. I didn't go to the Last Domino Tour, as I knew it would be like this. The last tour just wasn't the same too without Chester and Phil drumming together (even though Nic is a brilliant drummer, and did a good job). One of the classic Genesis songs live was Afterglow when Phil would bring the song to crescendo, and go back on the drums with Chester for the massive outro, it was just so flat on this tour and didn't work at all. If fans want to see some classic Genesis, Steve Hackett is still touring and doing all the Genesis classics with a superb band. We all wish Phil well, but feel it would now be totally impossible to get the Classic Five lineup back together ever again, as Phil cannot drum anymore, and the sands of time have gone too far. I agree with you sadly, but we all with Phil well with his recovery.
Yes, Phil isn;t what he was. Having been to the Chicago concert, I wouldn't have missed it for the world. This tour was an homage to the fans and gave Nic a great chance. I also saw his solo tour in 2019 and was really surprised as to how good it was. But we all had the chance to see them one last time, say thanks and goodbye.
All true. I was there too and whilst I knew what I was getting into, I was blown away by what kind of party it was. The 07 tour was their best. The musicianship was still quality and Phil was very fired up for the show.
They should of called it a day after the Turn it on again tour, and gone out on a high. Its sad to see Phil Collins looking so frail on stage and not being able to sing or perform aswell as he did.
I saw the 2nd from last show at the O2 London last year
I went to Chicago to see them, got some 5th row floor seats. I grew up listening to these guys and hadn't had a chance to see them yet. Yeah, Phil didn't sound very good but I expected that and I still had a great time being there. Very grateful that I got that last chance to see them live. It was one of my bucket list items, see Genesis live.
But objectively speaking, yeah it was a sad performance by Phil. This is a tour that, if you went to the show and are a massive Genesis fan and already knew his voice sucks now, you would have loved being there. It's not a tour that anybody will enjoy watching on RUclips.
You got the feeling at the show that Phil was still really enjoying doing one last tour for his son and the fans, he seemed very appreciative of all the people that came out and had a blast interacting with the audience like he always had. He was getting very emotional at times.
But I agree 100% that the setlist is super stale by now. I wanted some fresh stuff. This isn't 1992 anymore, almost anybody who was at the show was an old-school, long-time fan and they wanted more deep cuts instead of the tired old hits that are just... okay songs. Not great songs. If they were going to just give us the same old stuff, I at least wanted In The Cage like they always did, but I suppose Phil can't do that anymore.
I also would have rather had NO BACKUP SINGERS, that's such a weird thing to see at a Genesis show. I'd have rather Phil sing the lines poorly or even skip notes he can't hit entirely than have backup singers.
im glad you agreed with most of my points it's nice to not see a "fuck you phil can do what he wants" comment for once
I have just seen them at the o2 in london and yes he is not what he was but wouldnt of missed it as it may be the last and have been a fan for 52 years so good health to you phil and thank you
His voice was not the best as ii n earlier times but still better than most of much younger popstars today when singing live!
As an old fan from the 70's I was hoping for their last tour they might give a balanced representation of the music from the various eras. And invite Peter, Steve & even Anthony along for the ride for a classic 70's set. Also invite Phil's other son Simon to help with lead vocals on the 80's/90's stuff with Phil doing the songs he can perform the best & then all on stage together for the final part doing a best of the eras set. Just my ideas but boy it would have been good to hear Peter belting out "Watcher of the skies" "Back in NYC" & "Supper's ready" again & Steve's classic solo in "Firth of Fifth". In any case the legacy these guys have left behind is truly amazing & I'm sure we're all very grateful, cheers
yeah Simon actually sounds pretty similar to phil that woulda been a cool idea, i doubt peter can still hit the high notes either though, the keys would definitely have to be lowered for him as well
Yeah Simon did that "Keep it dark" cover, sounded so much like Phil, he also did a guest vocal for Steve Hackett in 2014 on CTTE with Supper's Ready. See your point with Peter Gabriel although as he has such a good falsetto voice even now I reckon he could pull off the high stuff, anyway we can dream.
I've been a huge Genesis fan for decades (mostly of the post-1975 material), and I've always regretted never seeing them live, particularly on the Invisible Touch tour. But this last tour, with Phil in such poor health, and poor form, was just not something I wanted to see, or hear. To pay to see him in such a frail, desperate condition, unable to stand, unable to sing, was just wrong to me. And without Chester Thompson, that was another reason to skip it. I would rather watch my Live at Wembly DVD, my Live Over Europe 2007 DVD, or listen to Three Sides Live, and remember how great Genesis were, and Phil was. The whole Last Domino? tour was an embarrassment, and just so, so sad. Thank you for your honest review.
It's all in the audience reaction. Lukewarm. Sad. Similar to Yes gigs in recent years without Jon Anderson.
Hackett gigs or Anderson singing with Todmobile, ARW or the Band Geeks and the audience is going bananas.
Let's face it, time is the ultimate despot.
for me it was a farewell to these legends, I knew it wouldn't be like 2007 again, I thought also Phil's last solo tour was his farewell , but if the man hasn't lost his fun doing this with his handicaps than everything is ok, seeing the next generation was also touching; In the end I was glad to have seen the band again, I don't regret it, PS there is also a good documentary about the tour available
where at?
Did a binge of Genesis concerts last night. I used to follow the band around a bit on the west coast in the 70s and 80s. Absolutely loved their concerts. Didn't even know about this Domino tour. Watched the documentary about it. I 100% agree with you. Why the heck didn't they get another singer and let Phil do a few? In my opinion, that would have been far more respectful of him. I know they got the backup singers to help out. Doesn't cut it at all. I would have hated that concert live. No one can say "we are all going to get old" I AM old. My partner has Parkinson's Disease and it is absolutely heartbreaking what the disease has done to him and continues to do to him. He was a pro racquetball player and there's no Fing way I would have let him go out and try to bang around a ball on the court knowing he couldn't do it. I have too much respect for him.
This young man has no idea. He should have seen Genesis in the 80's and 90s or 2007 in Rom.
I have see Genesis 10 Times Live, and I know from what I talk.
Also Phil 1990 in Berlin after open the Wall
I’m young too and I’d be even less motivated to see The Last Domino if I had seen Genesis in the 80s-2007. Would much rather have that be my lasting memory than the last tour.
I was just thinking about your ill informed video recently and was hoping you’d have a different take on the Genesis tour because his vocals were much stronger during the Genesis USA tour. Let’s get in touch so I can show you the videos I have. And I’d really love us to objectively discuss them together and not just for clicks.
i would LOVEEEEEE for you to prove me wrong
Honestly, the videos of this gig will be a bit like funeral videos. Something that people might take but never play.
5 seconds in and I knew exactly what you were talking about. I had to walk out of the Detroit leg of the tour 30 mins in after seeing Phil on stage. It was hard to see as a fan since I was 7 (38 now)
It was an almost religious experience for me to be there in person saying goodbye to my favorite band. Yes, it wasn’t as good as 1986, 1992 or 2007, five concerts I attended, but being there was epic. How many Genesis concerts have you actually attended? I have attended 7.
i mean... good for you? I was a kid for most of those shows and they didn't come anywhere near the southern states in the US for the 2007 shows so I wasn't privileged enough to go. Glad you had fun buddy
Even though I don’t agree with everything you say, I love your personality and think your videos are wonderful. I hope you keep reviewing because I enjoy watching you so much.
at 10:00 “how many keys did he have to drop down?” Answer: a major third (i.e., four semitones, or four “keys” if you like). “Mama” is now in C minor rather than E minor.
I have to agree with you! I first saw Genesis in 1973. Phil sang More Fool Me. Then I saw Phil sing lead in 1977. This was just sad!
Haven’t you gotten older over these years too? Can you do the same things you were doing in ‘73? Imagine if someone was judging you the same way you’re judging him
I'm so glad I didn't go to see them, pay all that money, endure a terrible show and pretend I liked it afterwards. Last time I saw them with Phil was 1st July 1987. Wembley Stadium, 1st night of 4. Let _that_ be the memory. Their career peak. Not their artistic peak of course - but their career peak. It's obvious from the lukewarm audience reactions that it was an expensive endurance test. I wouldn't even have seen them in 2007. Or even 1992. They were already past it by then IMO.
I was heartbroken...I had tickets to the Chicago opening night for the Last Domino? tour...landed in the hospital for 3 flipping months, and had to sell my seats and couldn't go...maybe loving Genesis as much as I do, it was a blessing in disguise. I appreciate your honest review of the show...you should do a Tony Banks review of ... something... nah, honestly, "A Curious Feeling" is MY FAVORITE Genesis solo album, bar none.
22:41 As someone much older than you, I'm loving that comnentary. I'm 100% with you on practically all of this. The video thumbnail is spot on.
I saw them back in November in Toronto. I must admit then when I heard about them doing the Last Domino tour I cringed myself. Not so much because of Banks and Rutherford, but mostly for Phil as when he was doing his solo comeback tour in 2019 his health had declined further and the tour had to be cancelled.
The reason I went was because I never saw Genesis and always wanted to. It was a once and a lifetime experience and a big part of me knew I would never have the opportunity to do so again. It was the best day of this past year for me as I felt the show was like being in a time machine travelling back to my childhood.
As much as I wish I could disagree with you in regards to Phil needing to stop performing, I know it would be foolish to do so. I was nevertheless happy to see him perform regardless and he wasn't as bad as I expected him to be. I really loved the lighting for every song they did and Rutherford, Banks, and Nick were amazing. Wish I could have been there in London this past week to see their last show.
Have yourself a Merry Little Christmas 🎄
You too!
You know what, Phil's touring with Genesis and the critics are very positive. Don't think he needs the Money. I'm happy for him, that he still can do what he really likes.... As he said, after the next shows, he will retire. And i think that's a good desicion.
But music is his life and doing concerts is his passion. I agree with you, that his voice is thinner now and obviously has less range. You can blame him for that. But you shouldn't blame him for having fun and enjoying himself.
Maybe you answer to this comment and write the same **** like the content of this video. But, like Phil sang in "Take Me Home", you Know that i don't mind!
I've got no far horizons, I don't wish upon a star
They don't think that I listen, oh, but I know who they are
Unfortunately you missed the incredible music of the BAND Genesis on this last tour! The music was as incredible as it's always been. Phil was the icing on the cake to true fans.
I was at the last show.
Seen them every tour since 77.
I went to see my favourite band say goodbye.
They were still great.
Genesis at 70% are still better then most others.
70%? How about 10%?
@@davebellamy4867 nobody made you go. They are my favourite band I was going if they were all in wheelchairs.
It was still an enjoyable show. And I’m glad I was there at the very end.
13:38 You got it. Not going that far but seeing someone on their last day or two is not nice. However, in that case you're needed to be there.
It is morbid curiosity as you said with this gig. Like hanging around car accidents.
so you went to a 2021 Genesis concert to see Phil Collins sing good? That alone makes me not want to listen to your pitiful review. Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford, Daryl Stuermer, and Nic Collins sounded brilliant. Its Phil Collins; hes a legand. At one time one of the biggest names in music in the entire planet. I can live with the mistakes of a 70 year old lead singer. They did this tour for their true fans, not for the internet trolls. Phil didnt ruin the show for you, you did; by showing up
i saw them in Birmingham in the UK and in to the third tune i was irritated by the way he was singing and left . We paid a lot of money for the tickets and i think Phil faked it as best he could but i must give the band 10 out of 10.
@@deniseclendinning5836 the WHOLE BAND is why I attended. Tony Banks is one of the top 5 keyboardist in Rock n roll history. You never get a chance to see him in concert. Mike Rutherford might not be the top soloist of all time, but his instrumental writing help shaped the sound of Genesis. And to see him in person is a treat as well. Daryl Stuermer is a beast on guitar. Nic Collins steals the show with his drumming. The show was designed and directed by the top designer in show business with Patrick Woodruffe. There is so much to this Genesis show to enjoy, that if Phil's not so perfect voice forced you to leave; then that's on you dude.
Sorry pal i paid good money and the band were brilliant but Phil should retire now . Thanks for the memories Phil. Also i was at Knebworth that,s my fav memory
You are such a twat i loved the band but Phil is not the man he used to be I am a true fan i am 70 years old myself and have followed them from the very beginning which i doubt you have .
Saw both shows in NYC @ Madison Square Garden...LOVED IT!
Looking forward to your Tony Banks Solo Stuff video!
This Last Genesis tour was supposed to start 3 years earlier, then Covid hit, they were contractually obligated to honor as many of those shows as possible. As someone that suffers from 4 disk herniations, I fully understand Phils pain. I went to the Buffalo show, and it was one of the best nights on the Tour, it was an emotional send off to a huge part of my life. It could have been better, but father time didn't care about covid.
My in laws went to see them in Liverpool. They noted the chair, Phil's voice, etc but they said it was still a fantastic show. But I've read that some dates faired better than others haha
interesting, thanks for sharing that
I´m feeling ashamed by watching this video. It´s because someone complaines about something, which isn´t a big deal.. okay phil doen´t sound like in the 80s anymore, but i was at the cologne concert, and i tell you what.... they sounded freakingly awesome. Good interaction with the viewers and phil was in a good and lucky mood. There is no reason to complain about legends... they do the things they love to do - play good music. And if you don´t like it, then it´s your personal problem! Just hear other music.
Stop with the cope.
I went to two of the shows. They were a lot better than I expected. Phil's singing wasn't all that bad. I had a great time and left with no regrets.
It's easy to criticise it and about as interesting as saying "well, Genesis died the day that Steve Hacket left."
Phil and Genesis were the soundtrack of my life in the 80s and 90z. I saw both live in Washington DC. Best live performances ever, ever, ever and I’ve been to tons of concerts. Sadly, Phil has deteriorated so quickly and badly that he is not able to perform. I thought the 2007 Live in Rome concert was good but Phil was losing it then. Drinking himself almost to death really destroyed his body. You are right about this concert being a huge disappointment. Sometimes people aren’t self aware and don’t know when it’s time to quit. I still listen to Phil and Genesis daily and watch Live at Wembley all the time. That was their and Phil’s best concert ever. Sadly Phil looks and sounds like he’s 91 even though he’s 72 and the same age as Mike and Tony. I prefer my heroes as they were and not as they are today. Thanks for sharing your feelings.
I saw them in December last year for my birthday at TD Garden. I loved the concert and thought Phil and the boys sounded great. People were heckling him for sitting down which was awful to hear. Idk I enjoyed his banter
Not sure if I like 'your tone of voice' - yes, I am - but you are right on the subject matter.
I hoped YEARS ago that Phil would have not done this sort of thing.
I mean: Tina Turner also didn't know when to stop although she COULD 'dance' at that final stage.
Have you heard Tony's classical album. It's amazing and the video on RUclips is shot by his daughter.
I’d love to see Nic play a tour or a stint on a tour with Steve Hackett.
13:49 when you talk of wanting to see someone for that last time no matter what. I had that a year or so back, my best mate of the last near 30 years died. I SO wanted to see him, having not seen him prior for 6 months or so. We asked at the funeral home but they said the autopsy work (the poor guy was only 43 when he died! So he needed an autopsy due to younger age. His father had died at 45, his grandfather also at 45!) and length of time that had passed that he no longer looked 'good' so we (his missus and me) weren't allowed to. His missus at one point goes to the toilet/bathroom. The second she went out the room i was trying to prise the coffin lid up, knowing that the sight would be horrendous. When his missus returned she then did the same, trying to prise that lid up! Lucky for both of us the lid had been screwed down.
10:19 vs 10:30 That MAMA was lowered a whole 4th! That's 5 semitones. That's nearly 1/2 an octave!
I loved Genesis since first hearing Foxtrot just before the release of And Then There Were Three as a 13 yr old into The Stranglers & other new wave / punk in the singles charts but I loved the sheer strangeness of the Genesis music & you couldn’t tell what was gonna happen on the album next . I’ve since watched the concert in Poland with Ray Wilson singing and it was a stripped down version of the band doing some older tunes which I thought worked . Obviously nobody else did. If they ever needed to re generate the memory of Genesis it would’ve been to have Gabriel on vocals - the pre 76 material obviously. Of course Pete has wanted nothing to do with them on stage since his life depended on it 40 years ago - & considering he’s made a decent living since 1975 & disowned Genesis as “ his schooldays “ he surely can’t deny how without his past he may not have got him half the opportunities especially during the upheaval in art pop music in 1977 /78. They tell everyone they’re “ all good friends “ so how can PG sit in the crowd during one of the shows in this tour ? He must’ve felt uneasy what with his being such a perfectionist 🙄❤️
did he actually attend one of their final shows?
I went to the Last Domino? concert and it was worth every single penny. Getting a chance to see the band one last time, I never thought it would happen. Yes, Phil is a shell of his former self, but Mike, Tony, Daryl, and Nic can all still do it. Once I heard Duchess start, I probably had a tear in my eye until the last note. I understand your criticism but going to the show and watching a phone recorded video on RUclips is a big difference.
It's been a while since you posted this vid but I have to comment nevertheless. It's pretty sad to see Phil in this state. I'll give you that. But he still gives his all and he is able to move a whole audience whether they have to tune the songs down a whole step. Yeah, his voice is not the same. It will never be. He is in his 70's and he has a multitude of health issues. But he still sings with emotion. You still feel young Phil somewhere in there. I didn't see the show, nor have I ever seen Genesis live ever, but I fucking loved the show. It's pure nostalgia and the people love it. I think your opinion is a little over the top. I think your opinion is more like insulting Phil, using terms like "morbid" and shit. He still gave a fucking great performance despite all of it. He could be home doing nothing but he went out there knowing full well his problems and rocked it. Can't agree with you in this.
I dont think you can make an objective review without acknowledging, the fact that he was over 65 years, in regards of quality, people can value their money how they want and what they buy with it, but i think you can find most of them are satisfied with seeing them
Impossible to argue with this. the tour was an embarrassing mistake
What's happened to Phil is heartbreaking. I didn't go to see them on this tour. I thought I would find too depressing. Anyway, I've heard some good reviews of the shows, but it's clearly 'time' (IMO) That said, I agree Nic Collins did a fine job. You shouldn't generalise so much about teens, re; liking shit music/TikTok etc.. Recently, when buying a coffee at Costa, the young barista clocked my Seconds Out tee shirt, and we talked about Genesis for five minutes or so (it was quiet in there that day) He was a massive fan, who saw them on this recent tout and loved every minute.
With our heroes getting older you’ll need to get used to this. “It’s time to retire” doesn’t cut it because many of us would prefer to see a compromised of our heroes than not see them at all. You say “if something is not good”. You really don’t think the 2021-2023 tour was “good”? Or are you watching these shows focused on the flaws? It’s about so much more than that. It’s about a gathering of artist and audience, perhaps for the last time. I found the last tour to be quite beautiful and I feel that your thoughts are quite harsh. You criticize the chair? Really? It’s not as badass as Dave Grohl’s? Clearly you are missing the point.
I managed to endure 4 minutes of your monotonous drivel and you turning the lights on at 3:41 was the only interesting thing you did. You forgot to put them on just like an 'elderly old man' ha ha!! I have been to 17 Genesis concerts spanning 50 years including three on this last ever tour, culminating in the final one at the O2 last week. Every one was brilliant. They gave their all on this last tour and went out in style. People moan (like you) that musicians go on too long. Genesis wanted one last crack at this and had Gabriel committed to a reunion in 2014 instead of being a prima donna it could have been sooner. Nevertheless, they did it anyway and good on them. I won't be listening to anymore of your review.
Saw the Sonics years ago on Speedfest. Those were also men in their 70's...and they tore the house down. That singer was a beast!
Since when did Ninja have musical "opinions"
Transposing to a lower key generally makes the listener perceive the song as slower, too.
yeah they definitely had a sleepier vibe in the lower key
Mama was taken from E (original) 2 full tones down to C ( 1 tone down from live 2007 D)
geez.. 2 whole steps down.. makes a big difference. In the "stories" section of my facebook page if you scroll back you'll see the phil collin's biography snippet where he even says "if you lower the key too much, you lose the magic, mama for example, if you lower that too much well it doesn't really have any magic at all" I'm kicking myself in the ass for not including that clip in this video because it would have driven my point home so cleanly
BTW I was at the last show. It was not as pitiful as you think. I am content that I was there, giving support, getting t-shirts and showing appreciation. Had a nice time. Mike and Tony were in good form and the lighting and backdrop visuals were pretty fantastic. I was happy to hear the tunes. If you weren’t there, your criticism has no value.
I'm the same age as Phil (just for context) and been a fan since 78 when I was a Yes fan and hadn't heard Genesis until a colleague loaned me Seconds Out. From then they became my most liked band I raved about after the Beatles. I agree with most of what you said and felt this was a terrible mistake when they announced the project. They should have gone out on a high (When In Rome - despite the dodgy visuals). Thumbs up from me for your suggestion of Chamber of 32 Doors or The Lamia to replace the boring Carpet Crawlers and dislike of Domino - though I like Fading Lights. I've loved Phil over the years and can't understand why he did this - did Tony need an even bigger house? Has to have been about the money. A great pity BUT many who actually went said they were happy; so I guess their view carries more weight than those of us who didn't.
When they announced the tour I said that I will only go if:
1. They only play songs they have never played on tour before.
And
2. They only play songs that are in a key that Phil can sing without transposing.
Even with these conditions. There are more than enough songs in their back catalogue to choose from.
They could have use this tour to thank their fans and giving them something they had never heard before. Instead they gave us the same old same old in new packaging.
Such a wasted opportunity.
I didn't get that 2007 roller coaster stage
I agree with you about the chair. And why couldn’t Phil have spruced up a little? He’s wearing an old man style track suit jacket. Come on man! The other guys had smart looking suit coats or sport jackets.
For me it was one of the best concerts and a very special one because father and son were united playing together, the band played perfectly - it was a great concert! The recorded sound of the concert in your examples is not so good as the real sound at the live concert.
Thanks for posting. I questioned my judgment, as there are so many positive reviews like there is nothing wrong. I'm glad I didn't get tix. The previous tour, in retrospect, was the proper send off tour in many regards.
Honestly, I've heard frontmen in perfect health sound worse live. I agree that these were shows that probably shouldn't have happened, but I don't think Phil sounded THAT bad.
All the luster and power of the voice that we’ve all come to know and love is gone now and it just makes me sad.
@@DancingwithGhosts did you go to any of the concerts?
Ok, I will keep my comments respectful, but you said you read/listen to Phil’s book. How you did and not realised that a bored Phil tries to kill himself with drink. The bull I read about him or the band needing money is from the uneducated. Genesis’s manger and Phil solo manager are the same. Tony, Mike and Phil are friends who care about each other a lot. I would imagine these tours are more about keeping Phil busy so not harming himself. Any fan of him or the band would absolutely know what state his in and the limitations. I do not remember anybody forcing anyone to buy a ticket. Maybe the people who are going to these shows just want to say thanks and goodbye to their favourite band. In my case their music has got me through serious dark days, if I ever get to the show at the O2 I really would not care if Phil came out and mimed, I will have a banner that will say “Thank You”
At least they are actually going to be there on the stage and playing live unlike the new ABBA tour where they are holograms.
"he's on tour so he wont kill himself".. uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I think we're SERIOUSLY OVER-LOOKING THE UNDERLYING CAUSER HERE. If THAT'S the main reason they are on tour Phil needs more help and more rehab.
@@DancingwithGhosts I think you have to have a grown up mentality to realise that someone with his level of fame and work ethic would find it incredibly difficult to stop doing what he has been doing all his life. It is no coincidence that his depression and drinking started with his self imposed retirement. In the UK at least the media ridiculed him called him mister bland it didn’t matter that he sold over 100 million albums as part of Genesis and over 150 million solo. Watch the interviews with Tony and Mike that criticism really got to him. Phil Collins wealth is estimated at £198 million (300 million US dollars) despite three costly divorces. He is not short of a bob or two. But think what you like and watch a video that was taken by a phone as your evidence.
To be fair, and a bit off topic but... I saw the Who a couple of years ago and thought they were good, then saw the concert on Sky and it sounded like a completely different show and I thought the same about them. I think I saw Phil didn't want to do these shows and was persuaded but Mike and Tony.
I love that you are such a huge Genesis fan! Do more of this content I love it.
oh if you search my channel there is PLENTY of Genesis content my friend :)
At this point he is like Rod Stewart in the New Year’s Eve South Park episode, where Jesus is trying to bring him to the town to bring in the year 2000.
A true fan wouldn’t criticize their favorite artist/band no matter how bad they sound. Please don’t say you’re a fan, a fan supports, not criticizes.
As another Genesis fan, I wholeheartedly agree. You ought to know when to call it quits, and someone in the current Genesis camp obviously doesn't. I honestly doubt that Phil himself was all in on it, because who the heck would want to present themselves confined to an office chair? Oh well, if nothing else, at least it all sort of went full circle with Phil channeling Peter's 'old man' from 'Musical box'.
I was at one of the Birmingham shows here in the uk. It really was a fantastic performance!
So I guess me, and the rest of the lifelong fans who actually went to a show, are qualified enough to tell you
YOU’RE WRONG.
Saw their show in Detroit. Although Phil was sitting down and his voice was not what it once was, it was an incredible concert. Very happy i went.
Watching a RUclips video made on a crappy android is unfair. If you saw Genesis live in their very last concert in America at Boston TD Gardens like I did, then you might have a leg to stand on. So in future if you feel the need to review the live performance of a band - then pay the $%^7ing money and go to the actual show. Oh, and I thought they were fantastic.
Yeah its sad to hear a review like this about also my fav band, but in honest truth i have to agree with you, I watched as much of the shows as I senses could handle, a friend went to see it live, apart from the huge cost for tickets, he enjoyed it! For me It's a bit like watching a fav film in awful quality, you were used to seeing a 4k version but now and got a video copy x 6 generations down.
More than anything I felt sad for Phil, I am not sure he really wanted to do it, but I think the pressure was enormous, so he did his best, which honesteslty wasn't best enough. All the critique added here is pretty fair, even if some does sound harsh, it's because it's sadly true.
I still love this band like nothing else, maybe The Beatles, just them two bands, but I struggled with the whole last domino tour.
I flew all the way from Israel to London to see the march 25th show.
I have to tell you my expectations were low. I saw Phil in videos in the last few years. I knew he was not his old self. But I just had to see them live. It was my last opportunity.
And boy was that a great concert! I really enjoyed it a lot.
Sure Phil is not what he was, but the show is not built solely on him. The whole production was awesome. They knew they were old so they adapted.
Phil was very funny, talking a lot to the crowd between songs. did a few crowd games with us, it felt very personal.
Sound was amazing, music was awesome. video behind them and lighting also.
You commented on the video about how the lighting and stuff looks - you were watching the wrong video. The angle from which it is recorded doesn't show the lights correctly at all. the lighting and video were awesome from farther away.
You can see this was done by true professionals.
It was the best show I've ever been to.
So maybe it is worse than it was at their peak. But it was still very awesome.
Even Jonathan Davis had a fancy chair to sit in when he did his solo tour in 2007.
Ooo did not know of his chair
He kept it real..old age sucks
I agree with you on a lot of points. I am a big fan and I want to point out a few things. After the 1990 performance in Knebworth of Mama (which is GREAT... if you have not seen it, please do), Mama was down at least one key in the start of the 1992 tour (which went right after Hold on My Heart, but it sounded great), it was dropped for a week after the infamous Tampa show where they did only two songs, brought that song back in Boston, and disappeared completely. When it reappeared in Boston 1992, they did it back in the original key for whatever the reasons were without Hold on My Heart - and jesus christ, he struggled!!! He probably lost confidence in doing it and had it dropped. When he came back to do it in 2007, it was down around two keys by this point - but it was ok IMO. He at least COULD sing it with some passion. It probably would have been better to show that instead of the Birmingham NEC 1984 clip in this video to explore the diminished ability.
With Tonight Tonight Tonight, it was down at least two keys starting in 1992. I remember when I first heard this in the mid 1990s on a live album, I agree that it felt weird. By 2007, it was down a key further, but again, he could at LEAST sing it.
Domino...I love the song! 1992 was the last great version of it. 2007 sounded too weird with a lower key, but again, he sang it solid. I just don't like the way they presented the sound on that. This last tour - 2022, it's not good at all.
Invisible Touch now ... yuck. Again, a song I loved for years. NDY sounded too low. This is even half a step lower from that! When I saw this tour in DC, I felt like I was listening to a campfire version of this song, not even the real thing.
I think Genesis should have used backing singers by around the 1986 tour. By around 1980, they were more overdubbing of Phil's voice as the backing vox too and I felt the live efforts of Tony, Mike, and Daryl sucked. They are by no means backing singers and they knew that. They even went as far to mix out Mike (or Daryl?) in In Too Deep on The Shorts live CD. Listen and compare that to the Forum 10/15/86 show version from Concert Vault and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. If you listen to any live release from Genesis, they are mixed down as low as possible.
If you ask me, the last real tour for Genesis was 2007. This Domino Tour was a trainwreck and a horrible way to say goodbye. Furthermore, Phil said around 2015 that he would only do another thing with Genesis only if he got his son on drums. His exact words. That rubbed me the wrong way because it came out later that he basically kicked Chester out of his band and Mike and Tony had no choice but to follow suit in effort tour make the tour happen.
In the big picture, this was nothing more than a modified 2007 tour with the selection of songs they played.
i donno.. in my estimation phil didn't really lose his mojo until around the early 00's. there are rare performances he did with the band around that time where you can really hear the first signs of his vocal diminishment, In 1992, in my opinion, Phil was still in almost peak performance.
@@DancingwithGhosts it can be argued that vocally he started having real problems in 1986. In his case, he managed to work his way through the limitations when some people can't. With 1992, I say the first few shows, Dallas and Houston, were the best ones. My problem with that tour is his voice sounded like it was rubbing against sand paper. Too rough. I like 2007 because his voice was consistent and he still had something despite the lower key.
@@goodbyenormabrando1421 part of it was all the steroid injections he would have to take when his vocal chords would get blown out.. that shit wears down your body over time and that's why he's so frail now
@@DancingwithGhosts he actually sounded stable by around 1994 with no key changes happening while on tour. No injections AFAIK either by that point. When you listen to the beginning to end of the tour in 1995, you would be hard pressed to find much difference. It seemed he really wanted to do songs in their original key since day one but then it seemed by the IT Tour, he had to realize the limitations over time - and sometimes unfortunately during a tour, you will find that out. Even the title track was lower than the original album version when the tour started in Detroit. AFAIK, that was the first time he lowered anything. When I read his book, it was the steroids that were the main player only for the IT Tour. Tours after? Not so much / he didn't elaborate.
it sort of goes like this for me - IT Tour - many key changes / dropped songs. Evident struggles too.
Serious Tour - some key changes / dropped songs. Struggling not very evident most times. In fact, Take Me Home got more exciting as the tour went by.
WCD Tour - key changes on some songs during the tour. Sounded raspy most times and singing phrasing of certain songs were being changed to accommodate the lack of ability.
1994 onward... pretty much the same show after show - even if you factor performance quality of new tours like 2017 - onward.
But one thing to mention ... 2016. I was there in Miami. He sounded great! Just a little over a year later by NDY... oh my god.
I still love Domino and the Cage in 2022 iconic songs
it is strange genesis didnt release a cd or d v d of this your..? only a rehearsal show...