I played this system just like Waylon showed. This was online so not for real money. I lost $2k in about 20 min. I lost almost every time on my $200 lay. It was absolutely crazy. Prior to that I had won anywhere from $250-$500 on 6 different rolls. So yes, it's a great system, but nothing is for certain. The dice will roll what the dice will roll. Just be careful and set limits on your losses, even with this system. Good Luck, FtbCoach from Georgia.
Just a couple of notes, one is that a point seven out is when you establish a point and then immediately seven out. When you establish a point and then hit another number to move your DC bet and then seven out, that is not considered a PSO. Also, DC bets are NOT contract bets. They can be taken down at any time. You can even ask the dealer to not follow the point when a number rolls that you don't want the DC bet to move to.
Awesome brother! Thats how you play this bad boy! Any strategy can lose but this one's got bulldog teeth if you play it correctly! It probably doesn't need a ladder at the end of the day
Yes. I personally would only add odds to the Comebet.. I'm not a fan of DP odds.. 2 times getting knocked off and then you are chasing due to laying more to get paid less.. IMO... But great suggestion?👍🏼
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Hey Buddy, new to your channel, BUT I have seen your name in John PC Coffee and Craps chat. Good Luck with your channel. I played this on Crapsee 3x and got my azzz handed to me. Th DC was killing me. I posted in Waylon's channel too. Merry Christmas to you
I played this at horseshoe casino. Live food with live real money. Just like the quote "first"run through, I played DP ($5 minimum bet), then $20 DC, then $5 on the come, within the first hour or less, i was up over $600 dollars. If course, I tip the dealers very well that night. To me, this is the best way to play. Other players started asking me questions about this strategy, and/or coping me.
@@PositiveCitizen I don't bet both come bet and DC bet. After the point is established, I bet on the DC. Once that point is established, then the next two rolls bet on the come bet line.
@BlueKaspar-bc9mj For sure so it would be 4 max bets until the board is cleared. The DP, DC, and 2 come bets? And what do you do if your DC is taken away before a 7 hits, do you replace the same bet?
@@PositiveCitizen Nope. That's the worse way to pay. I never chase. That is how you lose all your money on one shooter. Just 4 bets max per shooter, enough bank roll for 10 shooters. I quit after 10 shooters, or if I made my cash payout profit. Cash payout profit if I make $300 dollars before 10 shooters.
To alleviate some of those PSO‘s & DC’s is to play a Horn bet thats will protect you by covering the Yo Eleven so your only vulnerable to big red. You can always bet a really low DC bet so that if you do loose you’re just loosing a little amount but if you get that DC bet set add $100 odds on the DC bet and your good to go. You can also play from the don’t pass instead of the passline if your getting to many PSO’s you have to remember most Vegas casino’s use loaded magnatized dice that brings more 7’s and crap numbers that’s the edge the house has which is why they ultimately will win if you stay on the table for the long run so get in and get off the table when you’re up.
The don’t pass, come, come, don’t come. IMO is a better bet. You win big on those quick 7s. You are only vulnerable on the last part of it, the don’t come. I’ve done both of these set ups and I’ve won more using said strat.. didn’t realize you are betting 100$ on don’t come. This strategy seems awesome can’t wait to try it.
It's all about betting units. One unit on the pass line, then 4 units on the don't. Bet $10 on the pass, $40 on the don't if the stakes are too high for you. Or lower still, $5 on the pass, then $20 on the don't.
@@chesco711 It has to be 4x units on DC. If all the numbers are covered with one having a DC and one unit on the come, a seven rolls, you break even. You will lose the 5 numbers and the pass line and win the come bet and the DC.
Works really good on a choppy table but anything over a 10 roller you tend to lose every time the DC will get hit eventually followed by 11 or seven is killer in this strategy it happens more times than you think
Like any strategy, thety win when the dice cooperate whether light side or dark side. The dice cooperated for you and you will win everytime based on the way they rolled. I think where the real strategy would come in is deciding when to walk away and stop laddering up. Played is successfully a few times and a few times where the dice did not cooperate. When thet don't, the losses can rack up veryt fast. Three elevens in a row while trying to estalblish don't come and then hit the don't twice in the same roll roill. Worst case scenario is establishing the don't, filling all the numbers with come bets, losing the don't, and rolling a 7 when trying to establish another don't. Lose evertthing. I guess the question is, when do you stop laddering up and step back and just try to get back to even.
Agree with the poster here. I also have a system that gives me an advantage overall. Works great until the shooter starts hitting their points early. The thing I like about your system (Arnold) is you win with an early 7. My system depends more on a hot roller not hitting his point.
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...Excellent video, fast & to the point...I may be your newest sub...My only tweak on this strategy is, I like going right away too all the remaining box #`s after the DC in established, equal to the DC plus the come bet...I start collecting right away...But the way your #`s rolled one PSO after another, I basically would have broken even or barely a profit. On this rollout.. ...Old Naples Florida🌴🎲🎨
I see this working here... but can't help thinking the repeated COME would be better served with just place bets that pay better. Id be interested in an alternate system that doesn't just pay flat on repeated come wins...
I love craps, but you can't make money on it in the long run. House edge and all that. Best you can hope for is to lose money as slowly as possible lol. But, if you play for the entertainment value then do what is most fun for you. Good video!
I agree.. Craps or any casino is a negative game. meaning over time you will Lose your money... it's best if you ever get into profit to get out... 😂, 😀
This system is as old as I am, and I am old. it is the first system i used at the casino's, it is no better than guessing. As all systems Ihave seen online .
Not a problem.. in this system, no odds are taken. you definitely can if you wish. but I'm personally not a fan of playing odds on a DC because you have to lay more to get paid less... b But that is me personally...
@15:51 you roll a 7, you pay yourself the 100 don't come bet but then you leave the 100 on the #4 which is totally wrong Just Fyi Which actually would have lost you another 100 because the next roll after the point which would have been your DC bet was an 11 back to back and you would have lost both of them
So in my opinion the inside is the best way to make money. After winning on the inside you spread your money to the 4-10 and rake it in until they bust or you want to call off the money on the table!!!!
Gave this a go in Vegas this weekend. On the live $15 table for about 3 hours and got up to $500 before a bunch of DC hits and PSO's took it back to $25 profit and I bailed before it could get worse. Tried it on bubble craps and it just beat the crap out of me. PSO's and DC hits almost every roll. It can definitely work but oh boy do those DC hits hurt.
First thing you did wrong was you didn’t walk away with the earnings once you got up 500$ secondly to alleviate some of those PSO‘s & DC’s is to play a Horn bet thats will protect you by covering the Yo Eleven so your only vulnerable to big red. You can always bet a really low DC bet so that if you do loose you’re just loosing a little amount but if you get that DC bet set add $100 odds on the DC bet. You can also play from the don’t pass instead of the passline if your getting to many PSO’s you have to remember most Vegas casino’s use loaded magnatized dice that brings more 7’s and crap numbers that’s the edge the house has which is why they ultimately will win if you stay on the table for the long run so get in and get off the table when you’re up.
I like $15 pass and come bets with $10 odds after a😮 $100 don't is set. On the light side hits, you'll collect $35/30/27 off of $25. If it gets to where 3 different come bets are up, then switch to $25 come bet with no odds because a full box vs a $15 come would loose net $10.
@@markthepointI've run this other version several times with pretty positive results. I call it "The Mad Max" - $1500 bank roll on a $5 table. $5 pass line bet, then $150 DC, then $5 come and MAX 3x4x5x odds on the point, then continuous $5 come bets with max odds on established come bets. If all box numbers are covered by DC or pass/come bets with max odds, big red still nets positive win. If the point is hit with DC still going, $5 pass line and come bet odds are ON for the come out roll. If DC is knocked off either 1- replenish DC and turn off odds until DC set, 2- ladder up DC with odds off until DC is set, or 3- wait on DC until next roll, take odds down, and let the hand roll out. $10 table -$3000 bank roll, $10 pass/come bets and 3x4x5x light side odds, and $300 DC. With adding in the odds, this is a very low house edge strategy (under 1%, not sure?) for a choppy table. If the dreaded PSO is getting you, there is also the option of starting with a don't pass and then continuous come bets with followup max odds.
@@markthepoint Here's a spinoff with even lower house edge on a lower table minimum. "The Mad Max" $1500 bank roll, $5 table with 3x4x5x odds. For the come out roll place a $5 pass line bet. After the point is established, place a $150 DC. After DC is set, place MAX 3x4x5x odds on point and new $5 come bet. Max odds when each $5 come bet is moved to box with continuous come $5 bets with corresponding max odds. Big red is still a net win even when the box is completely full with odds on come bets. If the point hits with DC set, $5 pass line bet and odds are ON. If DC gets knocked off, either 1- $150 DC with odds off 2- $300 DC with odds off, OR 3 no DC and roll out hand with odds off. For bigger tablelimits, hold the ratio of pass/ come to DC to bank roll $5:$150:$1500 $10:$300:$3000, but still 345 max odds when DC is set.
New Subscriber here that is new to craps! I enjoy your videos and your analysis as you explain the strategies. I do have a question regarding "The Arnold vs The DC Pony" What is the advantage of playing the pass line in the Arnold vs not playing the pass line in the DC Pony other than winning on 7/11 on the come out? Is it just 3 bets vs 2 bets?
First thank you for subscribing! It's really just preference... it's just giving you some action on the table to win on the come-out... Other than that, there is no advantage...
Yes. I was moving too fast and "Paid" myself out of the come by mistake... Good Catch. I didn't see it until after it posted to RUclips... It happens.. Unfortunately I'm still learning how to talk, deal and play...
I have advice for you, definitely explain the value of chips you have but then start talking in units, saying 1 unit and 4 units is a lot easier for many i believe, also like the channel just subscribed
Question... why do a DC bet at all, why not just start on a DP bet and immediately go into a COME bet once point established? I feel this is the same system but saves one roll. What am I missing? Is the horseman (DP) or arnold (DC) better? Amd in the end, youd still choose a regression strat over these come strats, correct?
You don't collect on any come out winners or points hit if you do that besides the DC is hands down better than the DP! The don't pass can repeatedly lose on comeout winners whereas the DC cannot! Only on the 11! Plus the DC can win on the comeout if one is already set! Other than that they are the same but that is a big difference
@@waylonswaycraps Can you elaborate for me on why the DC bet doesn't have to worry about the 7? I tried playing the Arnold last night in VR and it went well overall which was fun, but I still got sniped on the DC a few times on comeout 7/11 rolls. Am I missing something to protect against that? (referring to your comment above where DC doesn't lose except on 11). Thanks!
@@michaelbitter7682 while you're in the DC you can't lose on back to back rolls on a 7! Another shooter has to comeout and catch a point before you can place another DC bet! It can lose only on back to back 11s! The Dp can lose on multiple back to back 7&11s in a row! ! That reason alone makes the DC a better bet
I feel that the one and only approach to hold a possibility of overcoming live roulette is operating a tracking calculator like the area key found at Roulette Calculators!
If you’re playing Roulette to “win” rather than Craps (especially a Don’t system) … you don’t know your statistics … Roulette is not much better than a Slot Machine … IMO 😮
When you ‘ladder up’, if the dc point hits, do you then place a $200 dc? The video wasn’t clear in explaining. And if the 200dc point hits, do you go to 300 or 400? Is the dc loss played like a martingale?
When you explained the system you said you play 3 numbers, the pass, the DC, and the come. But when you rolled it out you kept adding a 4th number as another come. That completely changes the percentages.
This is definitely an option.. I'm personally not a fan of Don't Odds. I never liked the Idea of putting down more to win less... But that is just my Personal opinion... But many people love DP or DC with max odds.
Waylon’s Arnold system is on the Don’t Pass and Don’t Come. Is there a reason you changed to Pass and Don’t Come? His ladder plan has some risk but can get you out of a hole and back into profit if you can afford to ladder 5 or 6 times on repeated losses. My estimate on a $25/table you need 6500 to survive 6 rounds of 6 loosing ladder progressions for both the DP and DC bets and it assumes that you are not laddering the come bets.
I'll have to take a look.. I thought I stayed on the Pass line and went through the DC.. then continuous Come bets. Did I do something different than that?
I see the difference now. Waylon’s original Arnold was $25 on the Pass line, $100 on the Don’t Come and $10 on the Come. His later video was $25 on the Don’t Pass, $25 on the Don’t Come, and $10 on the Come bets…. I guess I will ask him why it changed
A first timeer here - curious why we play DC bet first and only then it's moved as a Lay bet. The biggest risk is if 7 rolls up with DC bet on, right? So why not directly put a Lay bet? Or is it not allowed?
Seems scary when dc gets taken out when you have the pass line plus 2-3 come bets out there. 7 kills everything at once when establishing a new dc. Hop 7 just in that case?
Those are definitely viable options.. But too much hedging can get costly if they never hit.. But if they do early, Then Yes it could definitely pay for it.
I'm confused on when and how much you ladder up. I understand you didn't get there in this vid. But at what point am I doubling my bets? At what point am I tripling/quadrupling?
With this strategy, placing odds bet, only works with a hot shooter rolling 30 plus rolls. Otherwise, you will be chasing and loose all your money in a blink of an eye.
Killed on the DC. 7/11 would come out when DC placed or DC number would come out before 7. Played any seven after first DC loss. Was better you only lose $10 instead of $75-100.
There is only one way to win at craps that is a sure thing IF you can get past the first roll without rolling a seven or eleven. If you can get past the first roll, you cannot lose with this method. Put $100 on the DP. Roll the dice. If you get any number, you cannot lose. Let's say you roll a five. Now you place the five for $90. Done. If you roll a seven you win $10. If you roll a 5 you win $26. Can't lose.
That is a VERY BIG "IF". There are 6 ways to roll seven and 2 ways to roll eleven, so a 22% chance you will lose the DP on the first roll. If I do the math, say I lose $100 about 1 out of every 5 come out rolls, I would have to win at least $100, with increments of $10 or $15/$26/$76 (depending on the point) on the other 4 rolls, just to break even. This is why the house always has the edge in the long run.
They are the same, it's just rhythm. A DP and 3 come bets is basically the same as a DC and 2 come bets. It's just WHEN those bets activate. Some days you'll get crushed, and some days you'll never lose a bet. Both of those strategies will win on opposite conditions, so my guess is that if one wins, the other will go belly up
This is definitely an option... I personally never put odds on a bet Unless I am the shooter..And I'm required to play a pass line... Especially a DP.. you must put more to make less.. in this system we are playing a pass line and come bets straight up. No odds.... 99% of the time in normal play I never play the Pass line or Come Bets. Not sure if that answers the question or not...
The ARNOLD and the DC PONY are the same system. The only difference is that the ARNOLD starts with a pass line bet. The DC PONY bypasses the pass line bet and waits for a point to be established. Once a point is established the DC PONY makes a DC bet which is the next step in the ARNOLD system. When the DC bet is established both systems make Come bets. Other than the ARNOLD pass line bet, IT'S THE SAME SYSTEM. Also, the DC bet is not a contract bet. Once you have a DC bet you should never take it down. You are now the favorite to win. That is why the casino will let you take it down.
That's incorrect. The DC Pony has never-ending come bets. This one is scoped to 3 total bets. It's like the Horseman and the Southern Border in that respect.
@@CasinoGamingTV I am going to have to disagree with you. I rewatched the ARNOLD at Waylons channel. He is making continuous Come bets. At one point he had a $300 DC bet and 4 $75 Come bets. Both systems are the same except for the $25 Pass line bet.
Agreed... I rolled it out 3 times prior to going live to understand the system and had to exchange a 1k Chip.. So just in-case it laddered higher I wanted to be ready.. haha. You never know with ladder systems how deep you gotta go... 5 or 6 point hits in a row and you gotta dig deep.
Not pulling the dc off the 4 was a major mistake because after the 7 out you should have had a new shooter. The come out was 9 and you said the come bet should not have been there. With the point established, the system would have you bet $100 on the dc. You then rolled back to back 11s which you paid the come (which you bet since you saw a dc on the 4), but is should have been a $200 loss.
Once your DC is set you are at the advantage... Just thinking it through, It may be ok to lay the 5 for $140 While getting your DC set.. But you are still risking More to leverage the 7...
Why would you have the DC number turned off or not working on a come-out roll???? That’s when you’d win on the pass line and DC bet if 7 rolled on comeout….
Very sorry to hear that.. It's unfortunate that every system can win and lose depending on how the dice are thrown... I'm going to play this at a smaller level... Prob $15 and $60 to see how it does... To Play this at a $25/$100 Level you have to have a big bank roll to be able to take the bleed...
Ya I am new to all this so I will ask some pretty dumb questions lol. I find you and Colorup my go too crappers. Really like your down to earth approach. BY the way anyone got a good online site to work on skills with low limits
Basically if you are down, you ladder or increase your Bets a full level to get back into profit. Not the same as a martingale.. Once you get back into profit you ladder back down (decrease bets) to base
Valid.. I had to put it lower due to my camera view. But yes you are correct.. it should technically be above the line. I've resolved that issue in my current videos... 🤣
Great Question.. It's the opposite as a come bet... It's basically setting a Point and rooting against the point within the roll.. Ex. If you place a Don't Come for $50 in the DC box.. the next roll basically becomes that individual point.. Then if you roll a 7 prior to rolling that number that the bet traveled to, you win even odds.. However, if you Hit that number again you would lose that bet.. I hope this explains your question.
Sure someone mentioned it, but a dc bet is NOT a contract bet. Only the pass and come are contract, the dp and dc are not. You just can’t increase it once it’s established
Awful strategy for me. Either point 7, losing everything, or DC traveled to a strong inside number which I alway hit in the next few rolls. Lost buy ins FAST.
Right after making my comment I went back and won big quickly. I went up about $600 in a matter of minutes. It’s a good strategy but pull out fast if it goes awry!
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One thing about craps. The worse case scenario always rears its head when real money is involved. Never say never 😅
Hahah. Yeah it was a play on Click bait a little.. But Yes you are right.. Always seems to play out much different at real tables for sure...
I played this system just like Waylon showed. This was online so not for real money. I lost $2k in about 20 min. I lost almost every time on my $200 lay. It was absolutely crazy. Prior to that I had won anywhere from $250-$500 on 6 different rolls. So yes, it's a great system, but nothing is for certain. The dice will roll what the dice will roll. Just be careful and set limits on your losses, even with this system. Good Luck, FtbCoach from Georgia.
Nah, there is only 1 rule. After you turn them back on a 7 is next roll. Every time
Just a couple of notes, one is that a point seven out is when you establish a point and then immediately seven out. When you establish a point and then hit another number to move your DC bet and then seven out, that is not considered a PSO. Also, DC bets are NOT contract bets. They can be taken down at any time. You can even ask the dealer to not follow the point when a number rolls that you don't want the DC bet to move to.
Awesome brother! Thats how you play this bad boy! Any strategy can lose but this one's got bulldog teeth if you play it correctly! It probably doesn't need a ladder at the end of the day
Thanks Waylon! It's a fun one for sure! Keep your stuff coming!
Great stuff, keep it up!
@waylan I’m headed to Harrah’s Cherokee,NC to give this bad boy a try Friday! THANKS SIR
@jtimgrant02 how’d that casino trip go
Solid strategy. Waylon is a great advocate for Craps and I expanded my knowledge watching him
Your explanation on this strategy is much better, thanks!
Glad to hear that! Thank you!
When I was up a few hundred, I would add odds o my come bets to juice my returns.....worked well on a hot roll
Yes. I personally would only add odds to the Comebet.. I'm not a fan of DP odds.. 2 times getting knocked off and then you are chasing due to laying more to get paid less..
IMO... But great suggestion?👍🏼
Explained very well, you're a great teacher, Thank You!
Thanks my friend! I appreciate that feedback!
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Well wasn't expecting this! 😏
Been subscribed to Waylon's for awhile now....GOOD STUFF! But remember, if you can't roll, you can't win...
Yes Waylon has some good stuff! We chat quite a bit!
Hey Buddy, new to your channel, BUT I have seen your name in John PC Coffee and Craps chat. Good Luck with your channel. I played this on Crapsee 3x and got my azzz handed to me. Th DC was killing me. I posted in Waylon's channel too. Merry Christmas to you
That's awesome! Thank you! Hope you enjoy the content. Much more to come! Merry Christmas to you also!!
Same here with the DC on crapsee app. Got my ass handed to me
Thanks for the strategy - and I will tweak it to my style and add some random bets to make it fun.
Absolutely!! Thanks for the feedback!
DC bets are NOT contract... although you are correct that they are working on the come out roll.
My man Waylon. The best ever
He's got some great ways to play for sure! One of my good craps buddies!
He also did a version using the DP on the come out…try rolling that one out
MUY interesante!!!
Another advantage is the DC can win on a 2 or 3 roll. A small hedge on the 11 might not be a bad idea
Hedge the 7 instead, 6 ways to roll a 7, 2 ways to roll a yo!?
I will try it next year at Las Vegas 🎉🎉
Good luck!! I may try it in 2 weeks when I'm there!
Good cold table strategy using the Don't Pass instead of the Pass.
Very true! You can definitely play This both ways!
I played this at horseshoe casino. Live food with live real money. Just like the quote "first"run through, I played DP ($5 minimum bet), then $20 DC, then $5 on the come, within the first hour or less, i was up over $600 dollars. If course, I tip the dealers very well that night. To me, this is the best way to play. Other players started asking me questions about this strategy, and/or coping me.
That's awesome! Glad to hear great results!
NIce strategy, quick question, do you play the come bet with the DC bet or do you wait for your DC roll to land a number then start playing come bets?
@@PositiveCitizen I don't bet both come bet and DC bet. After the point is established, I bet on the DC. Once that point is established, then the next two rolls bet on the come bet line.
@BlueKaspar-bc9mj For sure so it would be 4 max bets until the board is cleared. The DP, DC, and 2 come bets? And what do you do if your DC is taken away before a 7 hits, do you replace the same bet?
@@PositiveCitizen Nope. That's the worse way to pay. I never chase. That is how you lose all your money on one shooter. Just 4 bets max per shooter, enough bank roll for 10 shooters. I quit after 10 shooters, or if I made my cash payout profit. Cash payout profit if I make $300 dollars before 10 shooters.
To alleviate some of those PSO‘s & DC’s is to play a Horn bet thats will protect you by covering the Yo Eleven so your only vulnerable to big red. You can always bet a really low DC bet so that if you do loose you’re just loosing a little amount but if you get that DC bet set add $100 odds on the DC bet and your good to go. You can also play from the don’t pass instead of the passline if your getting to many PSO’s you have to remember most Vegas casino’s use loaded magnatized dice that brings more 7’s and crap numbers that’s the edge the house has which is why they ultimately will win if you stay on the table for the long run so get in and get off the table when you’re up.
Live the video! Only complaint, no explanation on denomination of chips.
What is stop u from explaining the level up?
The don’t pass, come, come, don’t come. IMO is a better bet. You win big on those quick 7s. You are only vulnerable on the last part of it, the don’t come. I’ve done both of these set ups and I’ve won more using said strat.. didn’t realize you are betting 100$ on don’t come. This strategy seems awesome can’t wait to try it.
Yes the Don't is a good bet, but tough getting out of the Don't with the 7/11.
It'd be great if you can roll a much lighter version for us that don't play with a 4500 bank roll lol
It's all about betting units. One unit on the pass line, then 4 units on the don't. Bet $10 on the pass, $40 on the don't if the stakes are too high for you.
Or lower still, $5 on the pass, then $20 on the don't.
@@hansepstein8031 What's the math behind the 4 unit bet? What happens if you do a 2 unit bet on the DC?
@@chesco711 It has to be 4x units on DC. If all the numbers are covered with one having a DC and one unit on the come, a seven rolls, you break even. You will lose the 5 numbers and the pass line and win the come bet and the DC.
@@df77724 ahh makes sense. thanks
Works really good on a choppy table but anything over a 10 roller you tend to lose every time the DC will get hit eventually followed by 11 or seven is killer in this strategy it happens more times than you think
Absolutely Agree! If you got a shooter then you get sniped.
But..:your come bets will probably pay off and offset some of that loss from the DC hit
Like any strategy, thety win when the dice cooperate whether light side or dark side. The dice cooperated for you and you will win everytime based on the way they rolled. I think where the real strategy would come in is deciding when to walk away and stop laddering up. Played is successfully a few times and a few times where the dice did not cooperate. When thet don't, the losses can rack up veryt fast. Three elevens in a row while trying to estalblish don't come and then hit the don't twice in the same roll roill. Worst case scenario is establishing the don't, filling all the numbers with come bets, losing the don't, and rolling a 7 when trying to establish another don't. Lose evertthing. I guess the question is, when do you stop laddering up and step back and just try to get back to even.
Very well said.. Dark side is just as tough.. especially at higher levels to avoid the 7/11 for 1 roll is hard!
Agree with the poster here. I also have a system that gives me an advantage overall. Works great until the shooter starts hitting their points early. The thing I like about your system (Arnold) is you win with an early 7. My system depends more on a hot roller not hitting his point.
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...Excellent video, fast & to the point...I may be your newest sub...My only tweak on this strategy is, I like going right away too all the remaining box #`s after the DC in established, equal to the DC plus the come bet...I start collecting right away...But the way your #`s rolled one PSO after another, I basically would have broken even or barely a profit. On this rollout.. ...Old Naples Florida🌴🎲🎨
Welcome. It's always good to find your variation of what works for you and your style! Good Luck!
I see this working here... but can't help thinking the repeated COME would be better served with just place bets that pay better. Id be interested in an alternate system that doesn't just pay flat on repeated come wins...
Early 7 outs wins you no money with place bets but if you can shoot that would be different! Flat come bets win in the end
I love craps, but you can't make money on it in the long run. House edge and all that. Best you can hope for is to lose money as slowly as possible lol. But, if you play for the entertainment value then do what is most fun for you. Good video!
I agree.. Craps or any casino is a negative game. meaning over time you will Lose your money... it's best if you ever get into profit to get out... 😂, 😀
@@markthepoint how do you know when the next roll will go against you so you can get out
This system is as old as I am, and I am old. it is the first system i used at the casino's, it is no better than guessing. As all systems Ihave seen online .
I've said This Many times..To your point craps has been around a while. There are no new systems.
I think Random Randy was lurking on Crapsee when I played this
Crapsee is a hard RNG to gauge against..haha
Modify this with back wall lay strategy and show us the video during most vulnerable scenarios
The tough aspect of this strategy is when you get a roller that is on it for 35-45 min...and hitting every #
Question: and I apologize if someone has asked this. Are you taking odds on the Pass line and Come/Don't Come bets? Thanks!
Not a problem.. in this system, no odds are taken. you definitely can if you wish. but I'm personally not a fan of playing odds on a DC because you have to lay more to get paid less... b
But that is me personally...
Exactly work with a 300-600 bankroll
So repeatedly doing COME bets until point or 7? If your DC bet loses you just go back out on the DC right after?
you are supposed to double the dc and add a unit to the pass odds and come bets
@15:51 you roll a 7, you pay yourself the 100 don't come bet but then you leave the 100 on the #4 which is totally wrong Just Fyi Which actually would have lost you another 100 because the next roll after the point which would have been your DC bet was an 11 back to back and you would have lost both of them
So in my opinion the inside is the best way to make money. After winning on the inside you spread your money to the 4-10 and rake it in until they bust or you want to call off the money on the table!!!!
Squeeze play.
so if u lose the the DC, do you add another one so that there is always a DC behind a number ?
Yes, and typically ladder up higher one level.. Remember these can be at any levels. $100, $25 or bubble $5.. just change the color.
Gave this a go in Vegas this weekend. On the live $15 table for about 3 hours and got up to $500 before a bunch of DC hits and PSO's took it back to $25 profit and I bailed before it could get worse. Tried it on bubble craps and it just beat the crap out of me. PSO's and DC hits almost every roll. It can definitely work but oh boy do those DC hits hurt.
Yes they do! The DC is so hard! Problem is, it's so hard to walk away with profit... Sit there long enough and the tables find a way to take it back.
First thing you did wrong was you didn’t walk away with the earnings once you got up 500$ secondly to alleviate some of those PSO‘s & DC’s is to play a Horn bet thats will protect you by covering the Yo Eleven so your only vulnerable to big red. You can always bet a really low DC bet so that if you do loose you’re just loosing a little amount but if you get that DC bet set add $100 odds on the DC bet. You can also play from the don’t pass instead of the passline if your getting to many PSO’s you have to remember most Vegas casino’s use loaded magnatized dice that brings more 7’s and crap numbers that’s the edge the house has which is why they ultimately will win if you stay on the table for the long run so get in and get off the table when you’re up.
@@markthepoint how about if you stand at the table
One question, is the goal to keep putting up Come bets whenever possible or is there a number of numbers you are looking to cover?
Yes.. And collect on hopes the DC doesn't get knocked off!
I like $15 pass and come bets with $10 odds after a😮 $100 don't is set. On the light side hits, you'll collect $35/30/27 off of $25. If it gets to where 3 different come bets are up, then switch to $25 come bet with no odds because a full box vs a $15 come would loose net $10.
I like the tweak.. Not a bad idea
@@markthepointI've run this other version several times with pretty positive results.
I call it "The Mad Max" - $1500 bank roll on a $5 table. $5 pass line bet, then $150 DC, then $5 come and MAX 3x4x5x odds on the point, then continuous $5 come bets with max odds on established come bets. If all box numbers are covered by DC or pass/come bets with max odds, big red still nets positive win. If the point is hit with DC still going, $5 pass line and come bet odds are ON for the come out roll. If DC is knocked off either 1- replenish DC and turn off odds until DC set, 2- ladder up DC with odds off until DC is set, or 3- wait on DC until next roll, take odds down, and let the hand roll out.
$10 table -$3000 bank roll, $10 pass/come bets and 3x4x5x light side odds, and $300 DC.
With adding in the odds, this is a very low house edge strategy (under 1%, not sure?) for a choppy table. If the dreaded PSO is getting you, there is also the option of starting with a don't pass and then continuous come bets with followup max odds.
@@markthepoint Here's a spinoff with even lower house edge on a lower table minimum. "The Mad Max"
$1500 bank roll, $5 table with 3x4x5x odds. For the come out roll place a $5 pass line bet. After the point is established, place a $150 DC. After DC is set, place MAX 3x4x5x odds on point and new $5 come bet. Max odds when each $5 come bet is moved to box with continuous come $5 bets with corresponding max odds. Big red is still a net win even when the box is completely full with odds on come bets.
If the point hits with DC set, $5 pass line bet and odds are ON.
If DC gets knocked off, either 1- $150 DC with odds off 2- $300 DC with odds off, OR 3 no DC and roll out hand with odds off.
For bigger tablelimits, hold the ratio of pass/ come to DC to bank roll $5:$150:$1500
$10:$300:$3000, but still 345 max odds when DC is set.
Does the DC unit have to be four times the pass and come bet units? Or can they all be equal?
I'm This system the bet is a 4/1 ... But of course any Bets can be modified to fit your risk and liking 👍🏼
New Subscriber here that is new to craps! I enjoy your videos and your analysis as you explain the strategies. I do have a question regarding "The Arnold vs The DC Pony" What is the advantage of playing the pass line in the Arnold vs not playing the pass line in the DC Pony other than winning on 7/11 on the come out? Is it just 3 bets vs 2 bets?
First thank you for subscribing! It's really just preference... it's just giving you some action on the table to win on the come-out... Other than that, there is no advantage...
@@markthepoint I just wanted to make sure that I was not missing anything. Thanks!
What was that move @13:08? Shouldn't the Come bet have moved to the 6 and the Pass Line be paid from the bank?
Yes. I was moving too fast and "Paid" myself out of the come by mistake... Good Catch. I didn't see it until after it posted to RUclips...
It happens.. Unfortunately I'm still learning how to talk, deal and play...
Oh no worries! I know it can be difficult to roll, deal, bet, and narrate all at the same time. A mistake is bound to get in somehow. 🙂
I have advice for you, definitely explain the value of chips you have but then start talking in units, saying 1 unit and 4 units is a lot easier for many i believe, also like the channel just subscribed
I will definitely take note! I'll try to do my best going forward! Thanks for the suggestion! And Thanks for the subscribe!!!
Question... why do a DC bet at all, why not just start on a DP bet and immediately go into a COME bet once point established? I feel this is the same system but saves one roll. What am I missing? Is the horseman (DP) or arnold (DC) better? Amd in the end, youd still choose a regression strat over these come strats, correct?
Someone needs to roll it out to see the results
You don't collect on any come out winners or points hit if you do that besides the DC is hands down better than the DP! The don't pass can repeatedly lose on comeout winners whereas the DC cannot! Only on the 11! Plus the DC can win on the comeout if one is already set! Other than that they are the same but that is a big difference
@@waylonswaycraps Can you elaborate for me on why the DC bet doesn't have to worry about the 7? I tried playing the Arnold last night in VR and it went well overall which was fun, but I still got sniped on the DC a few times on comeout 7/11 rolls. Am I missing something to protect against that? (referring to your comment above where DC doesn't lose except on 11). Thanks!
@@michaelbitter7682 while you're in the DC you can't lose on back to back rolls on a 7! Another shooter has to comeout and catch a point before you can place another DC bet! It can lose only on back to back 11s! The Dp can lose on multiple back to back 7&11s in a row! ! That reason alone makes the DC a better bet
@waylonswaycraps oh OK, I see what you're saying. I can still lose on DC, just not back to back 7s.
I feel that the one and only approach to hold a possibility of overcoming live roulette is operating a tracking calculator like the area key found at Roulette Calculators!
I play roulette 4x/week. Nearly always a winner. Nearly always.
If you’re playing Roulette to “win” rather than Craps (especially a Don’t system) … you don’t know your statistics … Roulette is not much better than a Slot Machine … IMO 😮
@@Milpowerhow bro ? 😮
@@TarmendranMaylvahanamcoolGreat question.
In for answers.
When you ‘ladder up’, if the dc point hits, do you then place a $200 dc? The video wasn’t clear in explaining. And if the 200dc point hits, do you go to 300 or 400? Is the dc loss played like a martingale?
Anytime you are not in profit... If it gets knocked off, go next to $50 come bets and $200 DP... Then $300 to get back into profit.
When you explained the system you said you play 3 numbers, the pass, the DC, and the come. But when you rolled it out you kept adding a 4th number as another come. That completely changes the percentages.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. It was those 3 bets at minimum... Then a continuous Come Bet.
Check out 2:05 I kinda state more bests are possible.
This is a version of the pyramid strategy. Great for a choppy table.
Yes great for Choppy Tables! If you can just sustain the Long Roller...
Usually we have the opposite problem on trying to show a strategy. What is the ladder up... DC goes from $100 to $200 or $300?
Yes that is correct! Some times the dice work for ya some times they don't.. But I try to keep the rolls organic...
Yes dc bet goes to 200, and the come bets go to $50 and the passline you add $25 odds to match the $50 new come bets
Also can play this at $15 table with $60 dc and $15 come bets.
Mark, instead of laddering up on the DC bets....Why not just keep it at 4 units....and add odds on the DC if you want more protection....?
This is definitely an option.. I'm personally not a fan of Don't Odds. I never liked the Idea of putting down more to win less... But that is just my Personal opinion... But many people love DP or DC with max odds.
Look like “losing more” NOT “lose again”. DC travel, hit the DC point, lose! Then 7 come, lose come bet & pass line. Worth system I’ve seen
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy this. maybe if you look at some of the other in videos I have you might find a video you like better that fits your style
@@markthepoint ignore the haters....this strategy can work for a cold table and a hot table if the come bets keep going on and off.....
system 100 percent works. every system can loose but i have won more than i have lost with this system
@@darrellq6954 thank you!!! I appreciate that.. I get quite a bit.. I even delete quite a few..
@@quander3 thank You for This feedback! I've played it 3 times at live tables and have won all 3 times!
I appreciate the updates!
Waylon’s Arnold system is on the Don’t Pass and Don’t Come. Is there a reason you changed to Pass and Don’t Come?
His ladder plan has some risk but can get you out of a hole and back into profit if you can afford to ladder 5 or 6 times on repeated losses.
My estimate on a $25/table you need 6500 to survive 6 rounds of 6 loosing ladder progressions for both the DP and DC bets and it assumes that you are not laddering the come bets.
I'll have to take a look.. I thought I stayed on the Pass line and went through the DC.. then continuous Come bets.
Did I do something different than that?
You did not, but Waylon was never betting the Pass line, only the Don’t Pass so I was wondering if the difference was intentional
I see the difference now. Waylon’s original Arnold was $25 on the Pass line, $100 on the Don’t Come and $10 on the Come. His later video was $25 on the Don’t Pass, $25 on the Don’t Come, and $10 on the Come bets…. I guess I will ask him why it changed
The $25/$100/$10 has a much higher bankroll requirement to survive 6 rounds of 6 progressions on losses. From $6,500 to around $16,000
Did he ever get a chance to respond with the Chang?
Is there a reason you don't take odds on your come bets or pass line?
I'm personally not one to put odds out there. I'm not saying it's a bad option.. But, I have a video coming out next week Where I do place Odds...
This is great for random players with no dice control or cold tables.
Absolutely! Great for less than 5 rolls 100%
A first timeer here - curious why we play DC bet first and only then it's moved as a Lay bet. The biggest risk is if 7 rolls up with DC bet on, right? So why not directly put a Lay bet? Or is it not allowed?
You absolutely can
But lay bets you have to put more to win less ... Not a fan of Lay bets personally.
This strat is even money
Seems scary when dc gets taken out when you have the pass line plus 2-3 come bets out there. 7 kills everything at once when establishing a new dc. Hop 7 just in that case?
There is always that option if it's available at the table as a hedge.
I like the Arnold I know it very well. I did subscribe to your channel. But my question is, why is the video ran in fast forward. 🤷♂️
Thank you for subscribing... I didn't think I Fast forward anything here... I'll have to go back and look.
@@markthepoint it probably was on my end. I do like your channel !!!
Why do you not hedge the DC bet with 11? Also, why not hedge the hard ways if the DC is on 4,6,8 or 10?
Those are definitely viable options.. But too much hedging can get costly if they never hit.. But if they do early, Then Yes it could definitely pay for it.
the house must love to see you walking in the door.
I'm confused on when and how much you ladder up. I understand you didn't get there in this vid. But at what point am I doubling my bets? At what point am I tripling/quadrupling?
Any time you are below your original bank roll.. if you get hit again without collecting, you ladder up again.
Check out the one I just posted. It may clarify
Do you ever place odds on the DC or C bets?
Not in this strategy... But typically I'm a light side player. Unfortunately I don't have many strategies that play strictly Dark Side with odds.
With this strategy, placing odds bet, only works with a hot shooter rolling 30 plus rolls. Otherwise, you will be chasing and loose all your money in a blink of an eye.
Killed on the DC. 7/11 would come out when DC placed or DC number would come out before 7. Played any seven after first DC loss. Was better you only lose $10 instead of $75-100.
Personally I'm not a fan of the DC.. I agree there are ways to get knocked off... I agree with you.. But sone people like playing through the DC...
There is only one way to win at craps that is a sure thing IF you can get past the first roll without rolling a seven or eleven. If you can get past the first roll, you cannot lose with this method. Put $100 on the DP. Roll the dice. If you get any number, you cannot lose. Let's say you roll a five. Now you place the five for $90. Done. If you roll a seven you win $10. If you roll a 5 you win $26. Can't lose.
That is a VERY BIG "IF". There are 6 ways to roll seven and 2 ways to roll eleven, so a 22% chance you will lose the DP on the first roll. If I do the math, say I lose $100 about 1 out of every 5 come out rolls, I would have to win at least $100, with increments of $10 or $15/$26/$76 (depending on the point) on the other 4 rolls, just to break even. This is why the house always has the edge in the long run.
Crappy the craps man’s cold table strategy is similar to this strategy except with quarters all the way around about 3 years ago
I'll have to check it out.. Thank you!
Im such a degen when i cant play craps im watching craps 😂
And it's people like that that I love.. You might get down a rabbit trail on my Videos.. Let me know what is your favorite!
At 17:18 a come bet was missed that would have won you a little more money!! It should have profitted an extra 25 bucks
I wonder how it would do vs Hedgeless Horseman.
They are the same, it's just rhythm. A DP and 3 come bets is basically the same as a DC and 2 come bets. It's just WHEN those bets activate. Some days you'll get crushed, and some days you'll never lose a bet. Both of those strategies will win on opposite conditions, so my guess is that if one wins, the other will go belly up
Forgive my novice question, but why wouldn't you back up the bets after establishing the point?
This is definitely an option... I personally never put odds on a bet Unless I am the shooter..And I'm required to play a pass line... Especially a DP.. you must put more to make less.. in this system we are playing a pass line and come bets straight up. No odds.... 99% of the time in normal play I never play the Pass line or Come Bets. Not sure if that answers the question or not...
fizzle pop awwwww darn it 😑🚬
Roll this one out at the $5 & $25 level. Wonder if a $300 bankroll would be sufficient?
I believe so! Would be great for Bubble style
5 on pass/come 25 dc ?
Yes sir! My local casino has $5 table during the week.
My sample roll outs needed a big bank roll to ladder up
The ARNOLD and the DC PONY are the same system.
The only difference is that the ARNOLD starts with a pass line bet.
The DC PONY bypasses the pass line bet and waits for a point to be established.
Once a point is established the DC PONY makes a DC bet which is the next step in the ARNOLD system.
When the DC bet is established both systems make Come bets.
Other than the ARNOLD pass line bet, IT'S THE SAME SYSTEM.
Also, the DC bet is not a contract bet. Once you have a DC bet you should never take it down. You are now the favorite to win. That is why the casino will let you take it down.
That's incorrect. The DC Pony has never-ending come bets. This one is scoped to 3 total bets. It's like the Horseman and the Southern Border in that respect.
@@CasinoGamingTV I am going to have to disagree with you. I rewatched the ARNOLD at Waylons channel. He is making continuous Come bets. At one point he had a $300 DC bet and 4 $75 Come bets. Both systems are the same except for the $25 Pass line bet.
@@AnitaWynn I will have to re-watch it. I'm certain in one of his videos he says "3 bets only", but I'm happy to be wrong about that!
At the 24:00 time is when he gets 4 come bets.@@CasinoGamingTV
@@CasinoGamingTV the Arnold also has never ending come bets
You could probably start with a smaller bank roll.
Agreed... I rolled it out 3 times prior to going live to understand the system and had to exchange a 1k Chip.. So just in-case it laddered higher I wanted to be ready.. haha. You never know with ladder systems how deep you gotta go... 5 or 6 point hits in a row and you gotta dig deep.
hit the damm wall
Hahaha. , 😂🤣! We all have them short ones sometimes...
At about minute 16 where you missed your dc you also ending up missing you come bet that would of win when you rolled a 7
Not pulling the dc off the 4 was a major mistake because after the 7 out you should have had a new shooter. The come out was 9 and you said the come bet should not have been there. With the point established, the system would have you bet $100 on the dc. You then rolled back to back 11s which you paid the come (which you bet since you saw a dc on the 4), but is should have been a $200 loss.
What if we just Lay a number instead of DC?
Once your DC is set you are at the advantage... Just thinking it through, It may be ok to lay the 5 for $140 While getting your DC set.. But you are still risking More to leverage the 7...
Why would you have the DC number turned off or not working on a come-out roll???? That’s when you’d win on the pass line and DC bet if 7 rolled on comeout….
I agree.. I wouldn't ever turn that Bet off or take it Down
Lost 2k w this stat at the casino on the first try. Never again
Very sorry to hear that.. It's unfortunate that every system can win and lose depending on how the dice are thrown... I'm going to play this at a smaller level... Prob $15 and $60 to see how it does... To Play this at a $25/$100 Level you have to have a big bank roll to be able to take the bleed...
Could someone give me the bets in one dollar increments. Limited funds and plan on ingraining the system online before live play
$1pass $4 DC $1 come... Or $5 , $20 $5...
It's 1/4
Ya I am new to all this so I will ask some pretty dumb questions lol. I find you and Colorup my go too crappers. Really like your down to earth approach. BY the way anyone got a good online site to work on skills with low limits
Check out the one I just posted today.
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2:25... You would net HOW MUCH??
I thought the pass line payed when no point has been set??
That is typically correct.. If you roll a 7 while the puck is off, you get paid for the pass line bet... Do you see Where I missed it?
What does "ladder up" mean?
Basically if you are down, you ladder or increase your Bets a full level to get back into profit. Not the same as a martingale.. Once you get back into profit you ladder back down (decrease bets) to base
I would have watched this longer to see the ladder
I will look into the rolling it out again.. it's been a very popular strategy! Possibly at the start of the new year! Thanks for your feedback!
Just so you can improve your dealing... you keep putting you "traveled" Don't Come bet on the Place Bet line.
Valid.. I had to put it lower due to my camera view. But yes you are correct.. it should technically be above the line. I've resolved that issue in my current videos... 🤣
What is a “don’t come bet” ?
Great Question.. It's the opposite as a come bet...
It's basically setting a Point and rooting against the point within the roll..
Ex. If you place a Don't Come for $50 in the DC box.. the next roll basically becomes that individual point.. Then if you roll a 7 prior to rolling that number that the bet traveled to, you win even odds.. However, if you Hit that number again you would lose that bet..
I hope this explains your question.
I see you kept the name.......
Sure someone mentioned it, but a dc bet is NOT a contract bet. Only the pass and come are contract, the dp and dc are not. You just can’t increase it once it’s established
Yes. I caught that mistake after I posted... I got caught up in the moment... Haha!
Awful strategy for me. Either point 7, losing everything, or DC traveled to a strong inside number which I alway hit in the next few rolls. Lost buy ins FAST.
Dang. sorry to hear.. did you play at a $25 level? Or a lower level?
that is just you. check out real players at a real casino. Lots of people win. Learn to be like them
Yea you bet every time I go to the casino I have a 5 thousand dollar bank roll. NOT
That’s great but I would like to know when to ladder up. Wish that would have been simulated at least.
Check out new one I just posted...
Anyone else game this out and keep losing their ass?
It's a very hard game.. I Lose and win at all systems I play.. it's all about how those Dice roll out...
Right after making my comment I went back and won big quickly. I went up about $600 in a matter of minutes. It’s a good strategy but pull out fast if it goes awry!
@@sftm999 how does a good system go awry at all?
Why can’t any craps RUclipsr put up statistical analysis during the game? “Total bet, total loss, total gain, lost per roller, gain per roller?”
This is an option I will look into going forward... Always looking for ways to improve my channel and provide better insight!
I can't watch this too many 7s
Well… it definitely gets ugly at the tables… and 7 is part of the game…
Wondering, have you considered decaf coffee?
I try to be entertaining... Rather than a boring Video... Haha..
You started out so well, but as game progressed you began to going too fast again, with the speed mistakes happened.. Take a breath and slow down
Agree. I’d happily watch this longer. Just slower
''never lose again'' yeah right..
Well, I guess Never is a strong word.😆
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Pretty sure that title is not going to age well 😂
@@bam3051 Trust me... I knew the slacking I was going to get on this one... But that's ok.. I'm ready for it... 😆
@@markthepoint I’ve got my popcorn and soda, I’ll be watching 😁