Alan seriously thank you so much this is very generous of you and that is a big help! You are exactly correct as well. Most of what I spend the money on that I earn from here/ donations goes right to the gas tank for these adventures! But that gives me the ability to do them more often since I'm not dipping into my funds from my day job. Thank you thank you!
These mechanical snakes are indeed incredible. We can see their enormous size very well from the air. The colorful locomotives are really cool. The Milwaukee Road bridge's ruins are interesting. The concrete is still in good shape, even after decades of abandonement. It's good to know you are a lone wolf when it comes to railfanning. Excellent aerial footage again Dan. This area is pretty nice and we can enjoy it from different angles.
Thanks Z! Yeah I love those ruins and that's the word I like to use too! Yes I actually really enjoy my alone time out doing all of this. It is nice with others once in a while but I really enjoy the quiet in my own space.
The trains in this video did look like snakes as they slithered through all the curves in this section of BNSF's Lakeside Subdivision, Dan! There are a lot of curves in this section of the Lakeside Subdivision. The tank car train almost looked like a caterpillar. The sound of the engines in your ground shots gave us proof of how hard the engines were working moving the trains. Thank you for another wonderful video, Dan!
Some of your best footage, Dan. I love the early morning sunlight shining between the grain or coal cars. I like to find your sites on Google earth and as I zoomed way out I was struck by how much the area looks like military desert camo. I once made the mistake of calling some California hills 'brown.' I was quickly corrected; "In the summer, California hills are Golden!"
Thanks so much Steve! Yes just like here especially in the Spring time it can be green in some fields and golden/ brown in others. I don't know they can look pretty darn brown to me haha!
Thanks Dan, great footage and also thanks for the MILW references. My wife and I drove through this area in the mid-90s from Salem over to Montana but we had no real idea what was out here (no real Internet or RUclips in those days - just the Rand Mcnally map books). Imagine my surprise when we got to the remains of the MILW Cascade division with it's timber catenary poles! The bridge at Lind features in a couple of videos on RUclips but this time with a deck and trains!
Very cool you've seen this as well and yeah not as easy to find things out back then! I bet that was a surprise for you. I just recently saw a photo of that bridge when it was still in use and it's actually a pretty impressive structure!
Each time you mentioned 'the hill', 'climb', and 'grade', I would start wondering how they were able to make it up anything with such little power; especially the auto rack....then you mentioned that the most the trains had to tackle was 1.7%....then I understood that the grade was nowhere near as grueling as either Pengra, or especially Siskiyou! What a beautiful region it is up there btw! The remnants of the old rail line was spectacular, as was all of the views. My two kingsnakes would be jealous of the size of those snakes on that line!!! Keep up the awesome work, as always Dan. Maybe someday you can catch a train between Grants Pass and Roseburg; THAT would be quite a catch indeed!
Thanks Mike and yeah no crazy grades out on this line but when BN barely gives their trains the power to make it then it seems like some significant grade. Ha yeah big snakes here huh? Oh man I have luckily already done that quite a bit over the years! If you search "Siskiyou Line" on my channel then a number of videos will come up. I've caught action in Cow Creek Canyon a number of times and one time chased the train from Glendale to Medford. Even have a chase of a FRA Geo Train in there too.
I see you were at Providence Hill on March 30. My father and I were railfanning there on March 28/29 and March 31/April 1. We just missed each other. I have railfanned at Providence Hill many times. Great place for BNSF trains. Grain accounted for more than 1/3 of trains seen on that weekend. Those are pretty direct opinions you have on long trains at 21:40 and there is validity to your concerns. I missed this train (and commented on Railfan509's video as he captured this train as well) and on that weekend, I saw 96 freight trains, the longest was a CPKC (or UP since it was in Bonners Ferry) train at 179 cars (potash specifically). That train was the shortest longest train I had seen on a trip in years. Being from Vancouver, BC, trains of at least 10,000 feet are very frequent on CN and CPKC. It makes sense if the long sidings or double-track sections are there. At least 80% of the sidings on CN between Winnipeg and Vancouver as well as Prince Rupert are at least 12,000 feet, enough to accommodate a 200 car grain train. CPKC also has many sections to accommodate these trains as well between Winnipeg and Vancouver. UP's Overland Route has many trains of at least 10,000 feet as well, since their mainline is completely double-tracked from Chicago to Salt Lake City. Based on videos observed, UP's Sunset Route has many 10,000 footers (starting in 2019) since around 85% of that corridor is double-tracked as well. In my observation, BNSF has the ability to run 10,000 foot trains between Sandpoint and Pasco due to lengthy sections of double-track, but points both east and west of those pose challenges since the Fallbridge Sub and the MRL and Northern Transcon lack capacity. In what I have viewed on numerous trips I have done to Washington over the years, I don't think BNSF is that efficient in the region. I saw trains stacked up waiting to go westbound at Hatton back in March and due to clearance issues, they still can't run double-stacks or autoracks over Stampede nor can they can run loaded bulk commodity trains over Stevens due to the vent issues. I think BNSF is bursting at the seams and I think if they added a lot more double-track, sidings, and resolve the clearance issue, they could increase their output in traffic dramatically. One commodity that I notice is way down over the years is international intermodal. We saw no solid trains of this among the 96 trains, as that traffic has gone to CN, CPKC, and UP.
Nice! It's great since it's usually very busy with trains and this day was no exception. Yeah I, and I know many other actual railroaders, are not at all fans of these massive trains... Sometimes they'll actually park trains right there on the main heading West at Hatton. Multiple times I have seen two separate trains sitting there with no crews.
Another great video Dan, I’m always looking forward to my morning coffee with your latest up on the big screen. A couple thoughts; Have you considered writing a book of your favorite spots along with your photos and the history of that area? And British Columbia is a few miles above, have you ever been to or thought of doing the Fraser and Thompson Canyons between Hope and Kamloops? A little further up the road is the double spiral tunnel at Kickinghorse Pass, that footage would be amazing.
Thank you Jennifer glad you always look forward to what's new! No I haven't considered a book yet. I think that would have to wait until I was retired and had time which is a long time away ha! Yes I badly want to explore the Fraser and Thompson canyons but one thing I can't figure out is what it takes to be able to fly a drone in Canada as a foreigner. Some have told me it's fine and other things I've seen says you have to go through a whole process to be legal... So at this point I'm a bit stuck on what to do there but I do really want to.
Nice coverage of the Hill. As you stated so well: the bean counters love the double trains but the crews hate them. Besides the potential issues of mechanical problems there’s no where to park them outside of double track or terminals. The result is other, higher priority trains being delayed such as the Z trains and Amtrak. Customer service isn’t important because every other class one is operating the same way. It’s very unusual to see eastbound empty crude on the Lakeside Sub. So my guess is that it came from a refinery around Bakersfield headed back to ND. One last thought- the BNSF is suffering because the BN executives decided the SP&S route from Spokane to Pasco was not needed after the merger. Ugh!
Thank you Bill and yes they are a nightmare for crews. I didn't mention that but you're exactly right about nowhere to park them as well. I think they send empty oil trains back through Stampede Pass once in a while so it could also be that? Funny you mention that about the SP&S line. While I was on this trip my buddy Jason told me he heard the BNSF did a survey some time ago about how cost effective it would be if they still used the SP&S route and it was some giant amount they could save on fuel if they ran trains directionally between this route and that route. Really a shame it's gone.
Even I had to look this up to be able to explain it. Simply, it's defined as the vertical rise divided by the horizontal run. The internet will be able to give you more info better than I can explain it! Grade is just another word for Slope which is that rise/run definition.
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Yes that is how the railroads work. Specifically for this route I know that crew members are based in Spokane WA and run between there and Pasco. Pasco is their away from home terminal where they stay in their hotel until they are called to take a train back to Spokane. This is normal for all major railroads in the country.
Hey, Railfan Dan! Since you may be making a trip to Canada to video some trains in the future you and your commenters might want to check out some real good short train videos by: Trackside Tyson.
I’d like a little more commentary, Dan, like where all the grain was loaded on, and where it is going to. Otherwise, I really enjoy your videos. Those drones make a big difference.
Thanks for the feedback David! Most of these got to Kalama and unload for export but it would be difficult for me to find out where all these trains originate from unless I had inside intel for each train.
@@TheRailfanDan With respect to your literally awesome videos, just not a fan of the music you chose for those interludes and simply mute it. You can not please everyone so take my comment with the importance it deserves..0. At least the hating on the audio. If I was to make a recommendation, it would only change to someone else disliking the music. Though I do have a personal thought that you can use or ignore, and that is to play the deep locomotive diesel track over the soundless drone footage as a test to see if anyone likes it. Just my less than 2 cents, and please understand I am just being honest. Your videos are phenomenal as is so will always like and subscribe as should everyone watching. I consider these videos work appropriate stress relief, and they are very much appreciated.
I try to follow the train routes on Google maps, but I think some of your descriptions are a bit out. Your coal train at 4:30 was north of Hatton, not just west! But don't bother about that, the shots are impressive.
I guess I could specify but my locations are based on how the railroad labels them. This is an East/ West route so every locations is East of or West of even if it's more technically North or South. Maybe I should mention that in each video!
I actually use Sport mode about 95% of the time just so I can make changes in my positioning much quicker if I need to even if the train isn't going too fast.
@@TheRailfanDan Using Sports mode for positioning is logical. Watching the, many times, low train speed Normal mode looked possible. Having a safe altitude it's okey. Having a couple of feet too litlle gave me mountain climbing once. Flying sideways it's easy to miss the intended line of flight...
It's all about greed the more people they can run with out, that includes maintenance the more money they make if their is a crash it's just a write off who cares what it cost or whom it hurts the hole thing is just a write off. Witch means a big tax brake and guess who pays for that. Thankyou for your time. Paul
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Another great video! The scenery here is a pretty stark contrast to the green of Oregon. Here's a little gas money to help keep you going!
Alan seriously thank you so much this is very generous of you and that is a big help! You are exactly correct as well. Most of what I spend the money on that I earn from here/ donations goes right to the gas tank for these adventures! But that gives me the ability to do them more often since I'm not dipping into my funds from my day job. Thank you thank you!
These mechanical snakes are indeed incredible. We can see their enormous size very well from the air. The colorful locomotives are really cool. The Milwaukee Road bridge's ruins are interesting. The concrete is still in good shape, even after decades of abandonement. It's good to know you are a lone wolf when it comes to railfanning. Excellent aerial footage again Dan. This area is pretty nice and we can enjoy it from different angles.
Thanks Z! Yeah I love those ruins and that's the word I like to use too! Yes I actually really enjoy my alone time out doing all of this. It is nice with others once in a while but I really enjoy the quiet in my own space.
Started watching this earlier, had a huge fire to go to. And finished it now, wow this is great stuff. Thanks 🙏 and 😊. B
Well glad you're back safe and could finish it! Thanks so much!
It's always neat to see a train snake it's way around trackage and the drone shots make it even better! Lovely video! ^-^
One of my favorite things about the drone! Thanks so much!
Amazing as always. I remember seeing that Oil Train with the NS DPU at Sagemoor. Love the Lakeside Subdivision Content!
Oh nice! Glad you enjoyed!
Thank you Dan. Best train videos
Thanks so much Brian!
The trains in this video did look like snakes as they slithered through all the curves in this section of BNSF's Lakeside Subdivision, Dan! There are a lot of curves in this section of the Lakeside Subdivision. The tank car train almost looked like a caterpillar. The sound of the engines in your ground shots gave us proof of how hard the engines were working moving the trains. Thank you for another wonderful video, Dan!
A caterpillar indeed! Yes I am so glad I can capture ground shots as well for the sound specifically. Thank you and glad you enjoyed Thomas!
Some of your best footage, Dan. I love the early morning sunlight shining between the grain or coal cars. I like to find your sites on Google earth and as I zoomed way out I was struck by how much the area looks like military desert camo. I once made the mistake of calling some California hills 'brown.' I was quickly corrected; "In the summer, California hills are Golden!"
Thanks so much Steve! Yes just like here especially in the Spring time it can be green in some fields and golden/ brown in others. I don't know they can look pretty darn brown to me haha!
Nice job Dan. Agree wholeheartedly with you about long trains.
Thank you Fred and I think many others do as well. It's really not a great thing. I'll still film them though.
Greetings from Bend, OR where we get about a dozen freight trains per day. I discovered your channel a month or two ago and absolutely love your work.
Well thanks so much I'm glad you found it and are enjoying!
Excellent job, Raifan, very well done. Awesome.
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Railfan Dan never disappoints; never!
Thanks so much Bill!
Dan, if you make it area near Chattanooga, TN, let me know. I would be honored to show you around.
Thanks Dan, great footage and also thanks for the MILW references. My wife and I drove through this area in the mid-90s from Salem over to Montana but we had no real idea what was out here (no real Internet or RUclips in those days - just the Rand Mcnally map books). Imagine my surprise when we got to the remains of the MILW Cascade division with it's timber catenary poles! The bridge at Lind features in a couple of videos on RUclips but this time with a deck and trains!
Very cool you've seen this as well and yeah not as easy to find things out back then! I bet that was a surprise for you. I just recently saw a photo of that bridge when it was still in use and it's actually a pretty impressive structure!
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Thank you so much! I appreciate you!
Each time you mentioned 'the hill', 'climb', and 'grade', I would start wondering how they were able to make it up anything with such little power; especially the auto rack....then you mentioned that the most the trains had to tackle was 1.7%....then I understood that the grade was nowhere near as grueling as either Pengra, or especially Siskiyou!
What a beautiful region it is up there btw! The remnants of the old rail line was spectacular, as was all of the views. My two kingsnakes would be jealous of the size of those snakes on that line!!!
Keep up the awesome work, as always Dan. Maybe someday you can catch a train between Grants Pass and Roseburg; THAT would be quite a catch indeed!
Thanks Mike and yeah no crazy grades out on this line but when BN barely gives their trains the power to make it then it seems like some significant grade. Ha yeah big snakes here huh? Oh man I have luckily already done that quite a bit over the years! If you search "Siskiyou Line" on my channel then a number of videos will come up. I've caught action in Cow Creek Canyon a number of times and one time chased the train from Glendale to Medford. Even have a chase of a FRA Geo Train in there too.
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I see you were at Providence Hill on March 30. My father and I were railfanning there on March 28/29 and March 31/April 1. We just missed each other. I have railfanned at Providence Hill many times. Great place for BNSF trains. Grain accounted for more than 1/3 of trains seen on that weekend.
Those are pretty direct opinions you have on long trains at 21:40 and there is validity to your concerns. I missed this train (and commented on Railfan509's video as he captured this train as well) and on that weekend, I saw 96 freight trains, the longest was a CPKC (or UP since it was in Bonners Ferry) train at 179 cars (potash specifically). That train was the shortest longest train I had seen on a trip in years. Being from Vancouver, BC, trains of at least 10,000 feet are very frequent on CN and CPKC. It makes sense if the long sidings or double-track sections are there. At least 80% of the sidings on CN between Winnipeg and Vancouver as well as Prince Rupert are at least 12,000 feet, enough to accommodate a 200 car grain train. CPKC also has many sections to accommodate these trains as well between Winnipeg and Vancouver. UP's Overland Route has many trains of at least 10,000 feet as well, since their mainline is completely double-tracked from Chicago to Salt Lake City. Based on videos observed, UP's Sunset Route has many 10,000 footers (starting in 2019) since around 85% of that corridor is double-tracked as well.
In my observation, BNSF has the ability to run 10,000 foot trains between Sandpoint and Pasco due to lengthy sections of double-track, but points both east and west of those pose challenges since the Fallbridge Sub and the MRL and Northern Transcon lack capacity. In what I have viewed on numerous trips I have done to Washington over the years, I don't think BNSF is that efficient in the region. I saw trains stacked up waiting to go westbound at Hatton back in March and due to clearance issues, they still can't run double-stacks or autoracks over Stampede nor can they can run loaded bulk commodity trains over Stevens due to the vent issues. I think BNSF is bursting at the seams and I think if they added a lot more double-track, sidings, and resolve the clearance issue, they could increase their output in traffic dramatically. One commodity that I notice is way down over the years is international intermodal. We saw no solid trains of this among the 96 trains, as that traffic has gone to CN, CPKC, and UP.
Nice! It's great since it's usually very busy with trains and this day was no exception. Yeah I, and I know many other actual railroaders, are not at all fans of these massive trains... Sometimes they'll actually park trains right there on the main heading West at Hatton. Multiple times I have seen two separate trains sitting there with no crews.
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Haven't we seen those old Milwaukee RR bridge pillars before? Just letting you know I was paying attention :-)
Ha yes I have filmed them a few times before! Good recollection!
Another great video Dan, I’m always looking forward to my morning coffee with your latest up on the big screen.
A couple thoughts;
Have you considered writing a book of your favorite spots along with your photos and the history of that area?
And British Columbia is a few miles above, have you ever been to or thought of doing the Fraser and Thompson Canyons between Hope and Kamloops? A little further up the road is the double spiral tunnel at Kickinghorse Pass, that footage would be amazing.
Thank you Jennifer glad you always look forward to what's new! No I haven't considered a book yet. I think that would have to wait until I was retired and had time which is a long time away ha! Yes I badly want to explore the Fraser and Thompson canyons but one thing I can't figure out is what it takes to be able to fly a drone in Canada as a foreigner. Some have told me it's fine and other things I've seen says you have to go through a whole process to be legal... So at this point I'm a bit stuck on what to do there but I do really want to.
Nice coverage of the Hill. As you stated so well: the bean counters love the double trains but the crews hate them. Besides the potential issues of mechanical problems there’s no where to park them outside of double track or terminals. The result is other, higher priority trains being delayed such as the Z trains and Amtrak. Customer service isn’t important because every other class one is operating the same way.
It’s very unusual to see eastbound empty crude on the Lakeside Sub. So my guess is that it came from a refinery around Bakersfield headed back to ND.
One last thought- the BNSF is suffering because the BN executives decided the SP&S route from Spokane to Pasco was not needed after the merger. Ugh!
Thank you Bill and yes they are a nightmare for crews. I didn't mention that but you're exactly right about nowhere to park them as well. I think they send empty oil trains back through Stampede Pass once in a while so it could also be that? Funny you mention that about the SP&S line. While I was on this trip my buddy Jason told me he heard the BNSF did a survey some time ago about how cost effective it would be if they still used the SP&S route and it was some giant amount they could save on fuel if they ran trains directionally between this route and that route. Really a shame it's gone.
Great video. I'd love to know how fast the trains in your videos are going.
I couldn't say for sure at any specific one but it does vary greatly in this one. Probably between 20 and 45mph for all of these trains.
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Interesting landscapes with loads of worms...kind of reminds me of Tehachapi but without any trees.
They are a bit similar for sure.
Hi Dan, enjoy your videos. For us rookies, could you please explain how %age of grade relates to geometric angle. Thx.
Even I had to look this up to be able to explain it. Simply, it's defined as the vertical rise divided by the horizontal run. The internet will be able to give you more info better than I can explain it! Grade is just another word for Slope which is that rise/run definition.
I’m curious to know if the same train crews keep going back and forth on this line.
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Yes that is how the railroads work. Specifically for this route I know that crew members are based in Spokane WA and run between there and Pasco. Pasco is their away from home terminal where they stay in their hotel until they are called to take a train back to Spokane. This is normal for all major railroads in the country.
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I’d like a little more commentary, Dan, like where all the grain was loaded on, and where it is going to. Otherwise, I really enjoy your videos. Those drones make a big difference.
Thanks for the feedback David! Most of these got to Kalama and unload for export but it would be difficult for me to find out where all these trains originate from unless I had inside intel for each train.
Love the video, but the music makes me shutter. Love when you get the diesel sound!
@@damaliamarsi2006 Drones do not record audio. I record the ground video so you at least get some train audio included.
@@TheRailfanDan With respect to your literally awesome videos, just not a fan of the music you chose for those interludes and simply mute it. You can not please everyone so take my comment with the importance it deserves..0. At least the hating on the audio. If I was to make a recommendation, it would only change to someone else disliking the music. Though I do have a personal thought that you can use or ignore, and that is to play the deep locomotive diesel track over the soundless drone footage as a test to see if anyone likes it. Just my less than 2 cents, and please understand I am just being honest. Your videos are phenomenal as is so will always like and subscribe as should everyone watching. I consider these videos work appropriate stress relief, and they are very much appreciated.
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I try to follow the train routes on Google maps, but I think some of your descriptions are a bit out. Your coal train at 4:30 was north of Hatton, not just west! But don't bother about that, the shots are impressive.
I guess I could specify but my locations are based on how the railroad labels them. This is an East/ West route so every locations is East of or West of even if it's more technically North or South. Maybe I should mention that in each video!
hey Dan: Do you have a scanner to listen to the trains? I do. That way I know when they'll be coming.
Oh yes I use one all of the time! I couldn't imagine life without one.
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Do use Sports mode much or is normal speed enough?
I actually use Sport mode about 95% of the time just so I can make changes in my positioning much quicker if I need to even if the train isn't going too fast.
@@TheRailfanDan Using Sports mode for positioning is logical. Watching the, many times, low train speed Normal mode looked possible. Having a safe altitude it's okey. Having a couple of feet too litlle gave me mountain climbing once. Flying sideways it's easy to miss the intended line of flight...
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It's all about greed the more people they can run with out, that includes maintenance the more money they make if their is a crash it's just a write off who cares what it cost or whom it hurts the hole thing is just a write off. Witch means a big tax brake and guess who pays for that. Thankyou for your time. Paul
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