WIKI GUIDES - Whisperer
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2024
- I haven't done Whisperer since Blorva so this was a little rusty but a fun challenge nonetheless. Whisperer is one of the DT2 bosses I find hard to swallow because it feels SO slow without Shadow. It reminds me of Phosani's with how many unnecessary phases it has to pad the content. I was hoping for a bigger difference between my choice of gear for the budget vs the wiki's recommendation (Phosani's and my ToA 500 had EXTREME differences). Every day the Wiki never ceases to amaze me with the weird and misleading information
I'll probably be doing these at least once a day or so LIVE on Twitch/KICK every day, so catch me there, but if not, you'll find them here in a day or two.
I think next up I am going to do DUKE, and the rest of the DT2 bosses.
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This series is so fun to watch
This series is seriously so fucking good. I really wanna see a ToB one with a team using all the exact same gear!
Morytania only repeat
Hell yeah dude, love this series.
Gnome, you've struck gold with this series. I've enjoyed them a lot so far!
I hope to see more videos of this series :)
These wiki videos are great
I giggled when you nuked in the budget setup. Worst in slot but bis in our hearts.
Doing DT2 AND having a 99 before doing MA1 is some serious dedication to avoiding the wilderness lol.
HCIM maybe. Also gnomonkey desperately pretending Ironmen don’t exist and you can just buy the actual BiS for every slot so why don’t you
HCIM avoiding MA1 makes sense. (Even though it’s a bit of a cope as it’s trivially easy to escape if you get attacked there and it has such low requirements it’s not much time lost if you do get pk’d). That same HCIM doing DT2 AND killing the post-quest versions before doing Barrows, RFD, Fremennik Trials, getting a glory, and only getting half of the MTA items does not
@@adamwoolston253 I think the confusion Gnome is having is that its not supposed to be the "minimum" setup, its a potential next in line replacement in each of those slots. the odds of them having none of those upgrades is basically impossible, so gnome acting like the right side of each slot is what the wiki is actually recommending feels disingenuous, hence what people have been commenting on. its a fun series but it feels a little tone deaf of the guy with max infernal and blood torva not getting why players cant just buy best in slot for each boss
@@Spirelord122 he's saying you should use the tool he showcases in every episode
@@cheddyh4032 thats fair
bruh the Cantina music. BASED. many hours of playing Pazaak with this in the background
song: Star Wars KOTOR Music - Javyar's Cantina
Never watched one of your videos before but since I came across this series I’ve been hooked, keep up the good work bro. You’re a beast
This is such a good idea for a series, keep it up. Really shows how much fun you're having with it, too and that shines.
easily one of my favorite series, and i've always loved your content, but this one is almost more fun to digest for the non min maxing players. really great idea and good luck with all of this!!
Very entertaining series, hopefully many more to come
This series is great. Looking forward to more.
Liking this series; Keep em comin :)
this series is great but this background music is driving me insane
To be fair if I am deciding between +6 mage bonus on a farseer and + 5 prayer on a mitre, I'm taking the mitre every time.
More dps = Less prayer used
+6 magic bonus is not doing enough DPS to make more of a difference than +5 prayer bonus lmao.
Fucking +90 magic bonus and +15 max hits wasn’t even making the kill more than 25% faster.
But bigger number = more better
Dude genuinely wonders why people say he’s out of touch with the game.
Enjoy your one tick saved every 15 kills while champ over here is saving 2 prayer doses per kill.
Love this idea! Hoping to see more content like this!
your so good at this. those clicks are on point.
I really tried hard to do it and i just couldnt do it. Good job on it. I will keep an eye out for other funny Stratagy pages
This series def is great pls keep it up
Haven't watched this yet but after the first two vids expecting another banger
These are so great I hope you do more XD
When I read the title and realized this is the next one up... I knew it was gonna be good 😂
Please do more of these videos, great and entertaining series
If i had to guess, the wiki takes hardcores who don't want to go into the wildy into account. Which would make sense for the ward and the mage cape. but for the amulet slot, i got nothing
Love the vids broski
keep it up this is fun to watch ngl
It’s fascinating to watch this as I work on dt2 on my 85cb account
tbf some of these downgrades like no barrows gloves are necessary for 1def accounts (which can unlock dt2)
amulet of power is crazy tho LOL
We are all just having a bit of fun here. But I don't think the downgrade suggestions are aimed at lvl 1 defense pures when infinity is still on the table. xD
@@iitalics Not really that crazy - most ironmen will use an amulet of power into the 100s of CB levels because getting 80 crafting takes tons of time.
Uims wear some actually nutty stuff have you even seen half these maxed uims running around in poverty gear
@@garrettbrown3126 are they also allergic to dragon implings?
ive been really enjoying this series! Im a groupiron man, and ive been using the calculator and excluding thigns i dont have. it's a gamechanger :D!
This series is fantastic.
MORE OF THESE PLEASE!!!
Love this series!!!
why do i like these videos so much lol
Great video!
This boss is horrendous. Took me 4:30 for the post-quest version with the trident of the swamp and Ahrims. Respect for this clunky gear
Please keep making these
Such a great idea man
Thralls probably a big reason why the setups were more similar than expected
Please keep up this series
Im lovin these vids haha
I see everybody commenting the same and i will too. This series is really cool to watch. Cant wait for nex.
A lot of the wiki is also like- only use this item with this thing *2 etc. But this is a good way to show people that you don't have to have bis. You can do it, just keep trying!
>The Roon thrown axe
> me sides have been split 🪓🤣
Kotor music really took me back, loving this series
2:26 I believe that "stuck in place" interaction is a combat dummy interaction rather than it being specific to the weapon
I don't usually watch gnomonkey but this might be my new favorite osrs based series. Please do all the bosses 😂 I'm a noob and I base alot of my gear decisions on the Wiki gear section but I guess I'll have to start thinking for myself now , ugh exhausting
I hope they never fix the equipment downgrades so this series can last forever
@FlippingOldSchool did a video where he camped Whisperer with a trident, monk's robes and cheesy potatoes. He's not even a PVMer.
oh yes been waiting for this one. There's no way awakened is possible in this gear right?
love the kotor song
1. This series is great
2. What is this funky background music 😎
Star Wars: KOTOR Music- Javyar's Cantina
you should make a muspah video. with all your knowledge of switches and gear it would be very interesting to see you test all different methods from bowfa only to a 5way switch or 7 way switches.
when he laughed at the fact the someone completed DT2 without getting the cape :(
I think I'm insane then, I'm a main who was an iron and is still playing as an iron working on the last couple skill reqs for dt2 and have an amulet of power, a warped sceptre, ahrims top and bottom usually just wear the fremi helm for prayer bonus running around with mannacles cause i got no mage boots but plenty of swag, no god cape but I do have an elidinis ward though.
I'll get it done though. Fang/zombie axe should help alot with fatty and skinny, and I think my best range weapon for Leviathan will be the atlatl or the sunlight hunter crossbow not sure which is better.
honestly if nothing this makes me feel a lot better about doing DT2 on my shitty-geared UIM soon
I have done it with undead grasp and a slayer staff, totally fine
this content is wildy enteraining haha
this actually looks close to my im setup ngl(though managed to do solo 300 toa, so you shant be so critical of it, yep)
Love the series, but tile markers at the ge what are u on?
Mitre is for pures I think, and some items are inefficient to get for ironmen before going for dt2. that being said nothing tells you so and it's a bit silly. Cape of accomplishment I can understand since it's at least some defense/prayer if there's nothing to help dps. Some options just don't help at all though, that veracs skirt at phosani's was pretty funny
That thumbs up killed me XD
I was looking for copper, and I found gold.
@gnomonkey
I'm a 50 attack 1 def pure with DT2 done. Mitre, mage's book, and wizzy boots are for me dawg.
Is the long distance the same rate as the other attack styles?
Mitre does have magic attack bonus. Magic Amulet is better than power or glory
we in the cantina
The TTKs also don't include the extra enrage HP
surely they were trying to throw some options for pures
is there anyway to get the tile markers? i checked the discord but no luck
Molgoatkirby has.
Just did dt2 on my hc with mystics, warped sceptre, and magic amulet so kinda possible 😂
the wiki doesn't know how to factor in the moon armor. try eclipse atlatl at leviathan when you get to that boss for this series. great idea for a series though! been loving the videos.
Can you do a vid on gearscape? I get some weird recommendations, mainly mixed hide even though putting on something like bandos instead will give more dps (and still in my budget) can anyone explain to me why? (Im dumb)
Mixed hide gives stab bonus and high defenses for all styles
@@GnomonkeyRS Appreciate the reply. So does it take into consideration defense bonuses even if it will lose some dps? If I go to the DPS calc and replace a mixed hide top for example with bcp I will get more dps which is why I am confused (it is very possible I am just doin something wrong)
Recommendations are bugged sometimes, In some cases I got worse dps by inputting higher budget
I did it with Book of Darkness and not seeing it even as the lowest option hurt me
is this a viable set up for my awakened kill?
My problem with Whisperer is, and I’m not sure if it’s the environment or the boss itself, I just experience extreme latency issues with it. Like I don’t play on max graphics or anything like that and every other boss/activity is fine, including leviathan, just for some reason Whisperer doesn’t work well
This is shockingly similar to the gear on my account, i play like an ironman a few times per year 😂
What is the dps calc you're using?
gearscape.net
I actually have DT2 and don’t have barrows gloves on my bronze man account. I’m waiting for 93 slayer before doing Dragon Slayer so I only have like rune gloves lol
He did whisperer in budget and I’m struggling in mid tier gear. Dang I suck. Lol
Gearscape? Is that the name? Of the DPS clac thing.
Yes
power ammy kinda(?) makes sense, im an im and for the longest time i hated doing hunter, so i did my first toa raids with a power ammy, but yeah, it is increadibly silly to have that on the chart(other things are irredeemable ngl)
You dont do hunter for a glory, you just get the crafting level. Dragon imps are actually terrible to hunt if youre not a content creator that gets free scouts and you need crafting for zenytes anyways
@@XxSupaBAMxX 2nd that on an iron account you should just passively get giant seaweed. If you’re vigilant about doing it along with herb runs and birdhouses you should never have a problem to get crafting since you’re going to unlock lunars on your account at some point and just have it banked. Glory doesn’t halt your progression and it’s really small boost to an account at the time you get it. It’s a great stepping stone item don’t get me wrong, but the crafting level is much more valuable than an early glory
@@zxyen1629 yeah glory is definitely iconic but overrated
I think not having BIS stops plenty of people from trying content. I’ve never done any boss with BIS.
I guess ironmen who are deathly afraid of wildy would go for mage book and god mitre? IDK
Nah you'd offhand book of the dead and just use farseer helm. Both much faster to get than mage book and mitre
Making me sad that you walkes the enrage phase in the worst gear and here I am with sang staff and elite void and cant geta kill.
is whisperer the only NPC that can melee diagonally?
Basically any NPC that has a ranged attack can also melee diagonally
After rebalance it'll be a 6 minute kill with 9m rofl
this shit kills me XD
this guy knows that ironman exist right?
song?
Javyar's Catina - KOTOR
@@GnomonkeyRS ty sir
Wtf dude a prayer mitre has +4 magic attack and +5 prayer bonus lmao its just objectively better than even the +6 magic attack ahrims hood. Wiki gear guides crack me up.
I think I'd value the attack bonus more, even as an iron. Dps is king and accuracy does matter at whisp
@@XxSupaBAMxX +2 accuracy is nothing for how long you want trips to last via prayer
All those tiles and still no mega rares? Skill erasure is so last year.
Legit loving these videos for the wiki downgrades.
I think the wiki table is ordered in order of how easy the stuff is to obtain on an iron rather than gp cost for mains. Still, it does not justify some of the dogshit items that people choose to list there though.
Wiki downgrades are all over the place. Desert Treasure 2 requires 75 magic to do at all (So Occult/Trident/MA Capes), so unless you're an iron I fail to see how most of those downgrades are relevant to begin with. Even if you're an iron, some of them are strange choices as well if you consider time to obtain. My personal favorite is the skillcape in the cape slot (presumably for the prayer bonus) when even an Ardy cape 2 gives the same prayer bonus and has a +4 magic attack bonus. Still completely silly overall since god capes are just better and easier to get (unless maybe if you're a hardcore). Gear section absolutely needs work.
I wanna see ur as good as u say or if ur just shit play with no runelite or plug-ins
Nah I'm dog, washed
As i said before, I like the series idea since it's a stupid little bit of fun, but you really need to chill on the "misleading information" angle. It's not misleading information, just you not understanding why it's there. You need to remember that gear for ironmen is tied to different skills and not just gp. That repeatedly killing a boss is more than just how fast you can kill it once. Even for mains, thinking of supply cost and trip length is useful. Ironmen go a bit overboard and will definitely double their kill time if it means they save a few doses each kill.
Helm: Losing 2 magic bonus from ahrims/farseer/infinity to get +5 prayer bonus is absolutely worth considering.
Cape: HC will not go to wild in most cases so no mage cape. The Skillcape needs to be trimmed. And this chart doesn't include ardy cloaks or souls cape.
Amulet: Occult (93 slayer) Fury (90 crafting) Glory (80 crafting/hunter). So yes, people will absolutely go down to power or magic. 4 magic bonus is probably better than 1 prayer
Top + Bottom: nothing really wrong here since you sacrifice too much accuracy for too little prayer bonus
Mainhand: Trident (87 slayer) vs. Warped Sceptre (56 slayer)
Offhand: mage's book is slightly better if you don't care about the defense from the ward. Book of darkness is solid
Gloves: some people are weird about quests, probably more of a Main account issue. but it's only +3 so it's not a huge loss.
Boots: all of your boot options suck. Wizard boots are fine. This would be another good slot to consider adding prayer bonus to with Devout/sandals.
Ring: These are fine, just depends on if you want prayer or accuracy or just whatever you have access to.
Stay mad
No, doubling kill time to save supplies is never worth on an iron. Between toa, sepulchre and contracts the game throws thousands of ppots at you. Time cost of making a prayer potion is a few seconds at most(100 ranarrs per 4 min herb run). So no, you wouldn't double the kill time to save on prayer unless you play a no herbrun locked snowflake ironman.
@@XxSupaBAMxX no shit that it's not worth it, but people do it. That's why i said they go "overboard". Things like ghost skipping on Cerb is cringe as hell and waste way too much time. That's not what i'm saying here and is why you still need to work on those comprehension skills.
@@yuselescount2913 yeah but shouldnt a strategy page recommend good strategies, not bad strategies? Just because people do it doesn't make it worth recommending
@@yuselescount2913i still think the wiki should give good advice not bad advice to accomodate for bad irons
fun to watch, but your criticisms of the wiki are absolutely stupid, the lowest suggestions are for ironmen and for unique account builds/noobs who have gp but no quests/untradeables. power ammy recommendation for example doesn't hurt considering next best option (glory) has an 80 crafting req for ironmen, i barely had glory when i completed dt2 myself lol also lowest tier suggestions are great in encouraging players to start pvm/bossing earlier then they might have normally. no one wants to wait to get max before starting pvm.
"who have GP". I literally do a comparison run with the exact same GP to show how shit the wikis recommendations are and how much better Gearscape does it better. The wiki should have different sections for Ironman recommendations instead of throwing out garbage in a poorly constructed chart.
Sometimes he just talks out his ass lmao how can you say getting a mage book at mta where theres no risk of loosing gp or going dry is harder to get then the maldiction ward hahahaha this kid just taalksss out his ass
Mages book takes like 15 hours, huge opportunity cost. You can easily make enough money to cover deaths and get the ward on iron. In reality neither should be on there tbh, just use book of the dead
As someone who hasn’t done mage arena 1 but is preparing for dessert treasure 2 god capes can suck my nuts (I followed the quest guide for a week before getting burnt out of questing lmao)