This ^^ I would find the topic crucial as it is important, to allow the ability for people to be grow their own food and generate their own power. Scaled up this can help EV drivers who now would have at least 24kWh of Grid to Load storage on wheels to use during times of peak load on the electricity market to flatten out the duck curve/bath tub affect on our national grids. We know that Plug-ins and EVs already offset the demand dip during early hour mornings which expends useable energy (stored in steam generators) that would have to burn more fuel up to meet the morning rush again. And this is a business-case danger for any provider that would want to sell electricity.. uhm as a business. So it makes me most curious why Elon says that trickle discharging as much at 32 amps for the stove plus other essentials would be damaging to the car's battery pack.
Had v2g for two years know I have 2 gen Nissan Leaf the car is now on 66000 miles and just had a service and Nissan have said the battery is in good health and there no battery looses 👍👍👍👍👍
Can you use it for V2H by switching your mains to OFF when the local grid goes down? (Or does it do that for you automagically?) Where did you get it? How much did it cost?
Down here in New Zealand, the network company Vector, provided vehicle to home using Nissan Leafs and tech from Nissan. It’s been well tested and the recipients are pleased too. Not dangerous, not silly.
I have a CHAdeMO-equipped Leaf, and I want this five years ago. How do I get it? Can you at least tell us more about who makes the box you're using for V2H? Make & Model? Does it charge and provide V2H functions simply by being plugged in? How is it connected to house power?
@@johnklein338 I was planning to buy a 5kW inverter so I can potentially power the refrigerator and freezer (which presumably won't always be running at the same time) without having to string extensions from the garage. I assume this would allow for one or two already-wired-in-place lights and fans to be used (again, without having to drag an extension cable around wherever I go.) So if I'm going to switch to battery power, can I just throw the mains to OFF, and connect the inverter OUT to any outlet with a male-to-male NEMA 5-15? I could even put it behind a 15A breaker (or something) to keep the draw from getting too high (though it might trip if the 'fridge and freezer start up at the same time.) Or should I get a 240V inverter and connect to where I have the L2 wall charger already plugged in? I can't use the charger when there's a power outage anyway, and that would spread the load across both 15A breakers that provide 240V charging power on a 120V home service panel.) Sorry if that threatens to be a TL;DR... hurricane season is close, and I want my emergency power situation in place before the first one makes landfall here.
We live off the grid with a 3kwh solar system without any generator and own a electric kangoo ze 33. This would be a dream if I could finally use the power stored in the van to power our house in the winter months. We manage cause we live in the Azores Islands where even in winter it's a little sunny and rainy at the same time every day... I'm also a carpenter and to be able to go to a job site and power all the power tools without the noisy and smelly generator would be wonderful.
I've been wondering would've be cheaper to use old leaf with 24kwh battery as solar battery. At least out here in Finland, that mount of lithium battery would cost more than used leaf.
A used EV battery is great for a solar setup. Lead acid batteries can work for it too. They're cheap, good for many power cycles. They're heavy, which unless you live off the ground floor isn't a problem, and they're not very energy dense, but a closet full of them could still power your home at least overnight.
Yes you can actually get a good working and drivable Leaf here in USA for under $9k all day. This is a much cheaper price than stand alone battery pack to run your house in emergency. You still need to feed the vehicles DC battery energy into a separate 6-9kw inverter to power your home as well as auto transfer switch to cut off grid in emergency. So add another $1500 to $2k for that plus labor. Most Grid Tie solar inverters can handle from 300 to 600 volts DC input so no issue there. With the auto xfer switch and another small Off Grid inverter you can trick a Grid Tie inverter into running in emergency or Off Grid scenario.
if you check on ebay used EV batteries are very popular, and not cheap, cheaper than new batteries thou. all the people worried about recycling used EV batteries dont realize they are mostly ending up as battery backup on home systems.
@@karlbloss oh they are just normal type 2 chargers, solve the timing of the charging of the vehicle but not the issue of controlling when you power the home.
I would like to go off grid using solar panels and having vehicle to home or load to offset the cost of a battery backup will be important. When I am using the EV a small battery backup would provide the small amount of needed power such as for the refrigerator.
I’d love to have the V2H feature. We have a 10kWh battery, plenty to get us through the night or a 24 hrs power outage, however, not enough to keep the house powered during a several days long blackout.
Thank you for this, I've been thoroughly bemused by the rather odd argument about v2h being bad for the vehicle battery. From my experience a slower than normal power draw would actually be good for the battery
Yes, I herd argument that frequent cycles of low power charging and discharging are actually beneficial for battery life compared to it sitting there charged. Do you happen to have a reference to some research on this topic?
@@bazoo513 that technology wasn't common at the time but the principle that high c rate discharge degrades batteries faster that low c rate works across all battery types
@@jamesfromwellington True, but lead, NiCd, NiMH and LiPo / LiIon batteries all have wildly different "preferences" regarding deep discharge, "memory", best storage state of charge, thermal considerations etc.
100% yes. My next car will be electric, but I am holding out for a car with significant v2h capability. House renovations were done with this eventuality in mind... just need the automakers to give me the option I am hoping for now...
One critical aspect you didn't mention was school buses - they will be critical to killing off fossil peaker plants, so it's this community's responsibility to educate and pressure decision makers to buy electric school buses that have V2G capability.
I'd rather they convert existing buses rather than making new ones, but yeah electric school buses would be great. Especially for VtG. Buses have tons of room under the floor for batteries. Especially if you take out the driveshaft and use either a single or dual motor near the axles you have tons more room even. They'd be great candidates for using near end of life batteries because even with their reduced capacity you can add so many to the bus that it still has plenty of range.
This will sooner or later be a must. Most probably in Europe as regulation, later in US. Let's see. Good move from Ford and Hyundai/Kia to advertise this feature after what happened in Texas.
It is a convenient solution and great for some medical situations but I'm skeptical about it's general applicability when cheaper setups are available. Nice feature though.
V2Load as in the new Hyundai & Kia is a great idea if only to keep the freezer running in an outage , all be it a very rare in the area in the U.K. that I live in. However when towing my caravan it’s a great idea as that give me a power source to the caravan when wild camp which I believe you call Boondocking.
We've been on the fence about putting solar on the house. My wife wants backup in such a system, which would add $$$ for enough capacity to get through an extended outage. And given the spate of outages reported on the news, I think she has a point. That's why I am so intrigued by Ford's recent announcement. The battery in a vehicle is far larger than anything I would ever consider buying for a once in a while event. And if we need to go somewhere, we have another car - and I bet most other people do too.
Why not buy an old second hand Nissan leaf they’re very cheap, park it up and connect it via one of the V2G chargers. Then it would charge up on solar ready for a power outage and to run the house in the evening when the sun goes down. That’s what I’m going to do, in my case the cars going into the garage never to be driven again. Total cost car and Nissan charger £9000 for 30 kWh of storage.
@@wobby1516 I looked into it, doesn't seem avail until 2022. Between a Leaf (which I leased for 3 years) and a truck, I'd probably have more use for the truck... but the price of a used Leaf is compelling.
V2G and V2L should be mandated as part of the electrical code. I’m sure the people in TX who were fortunate enough to own electric be vehicles with their 50kwh packs would have loved to have the heat on, even if it were only in the kitchen. Not everyone can afford Powerwalls.
I am not sure if the software in the car will disconnect the battery if it sees the charger trying to discharge the battery, but the simplest solution would be to include a DC charge port on hybrid solar inverters. They already have everything needed. All they need is a way to connect the car battery to the inverter. It would also work as a charger when there is solar energy. It really is the best solution and if done correctly it would work with any car with at most a software update.
Manufactures should be forced to offer a vehicle to home inverter system on order to qualify for tax credits. V2L is challenging but just backfeeding one house is easy! Let's make it happen!
In the middle of the introduction 6 seconds in I accidentally clicked to the end of the video and I immediately corrected myself to come back to the beginning of the video so I can watch this all the way through before I pass out from sleep deprivedness.....BECAUSE i care about this content :3 lol
I have 2 powerwalls and so don’t think I would need my car to do that, but I would think about it if I didn’t have battery backups already. I would not want to own such a big truck like the F150 lightening though for the 9kW....wonder what a smaller sedan similar size to the model 3 would be able to provide? Thx for the brood and explanation. It is not apparent from Ford’s advertisement that you have to make some modification to your home to connect the truck and use as V2H option.
Thanks for the video. One of the reasons I’ve ordered the 60kW-h battery in my future Aptera is more juice for VTL purposes. My power gets shut off periodically by my power company during the summer months as a fire-prevention measure during high wind events.
The moment the power fails? Actually, it takes 27 seconds for my propane generator to start and stabilize, so my computers (and the DSL modem) have backup battery bricks too. They don't have to run for long, but it's necessary. There are better solutions nowadays, but when we built the house 15 years ago, this was practically state of the art. It works, and always has. Good info, Nikki. This may factor into a lot of people's choice of a new vehicle. And it's one of the many things that Ford has done right, which will be yet another reason for real truck people to buy them (we're looking at you, Texans!)
Nikki & Team, you all are simply awesome! Nikki, I am always amazed at your presentation skills. The content today is so relevant to a family's needs if emergency power is required. I was wondering if Tesla was going to raise concern as this capability might actually compete with Power Wall sales. Yes, would "Love" more information, aka Education on this topic. Thanks as always for the content. You all are "Amazing"!
Yes, I would be interested in V2H for backup purposes. I plan to get a Tesla instead of my current ICE car, but if the Tesla doesn't support V2G, the second car will be a different brand that does support it. With a Powerwall (plus) and V2H, you would have the option to go and get some power with your car, thus enabling you to be off-grid indefinitely.
I have been living in Germany for about 8 years and I have not had a single power cut in that time. Before moving to Germany I lived in Switzerland for 6 years and I didn't have a single power cut. Before moving to Switzerland I lived in the Netherlands for 2 years and I didn't have any power cuts. The last time experienced a power cut was when I was living in the UK. I don't see much need for this technology when living in Germany.
I think Texas and California give the US a bad reputation when it comes to our grid. Here in Colorado the power rarely goes out, and it's still only 11c per kwh. As cheap as Texas' 'free market heaven'. :P
@@Jcewazhere I've seen something on TV called "rolling power cuts" where in the US they regularly don't have enough power and schedule different parts of the city to have power cuts. Like when there is a heat wave and everyone's aircon is just too much juice so someone has to have a power cut. What's that all about then?
@@matthewbaynham6286 There's different reasons for that in different states. In TX right now it's partly because they're still fixing up some of the damage from those winter storms so they don't have as much supply as usual. Then it is unusually hot now so demand for AC spiked. Plus TX is on its own grid separate from the US because they value capitalism more than AC :P In CA a lot of the brownouts were because PG&E refused to upgrade/fix their power lines that kept causing fires so whenever it gets too hot, dry, or windy they cut power to parts of the grid so they don't cause another fire and get sued again. They care more about profit than people. CA gov't was also pretty short sighted and put tons of funds towards solar panels and windmills, but very little towards storing that power. So during the day they might generate too much power and have to offload it to other states at a loss. There are of course some other issues as well, but the majority of the problems are lack of regulations and or private companies worrying about profit more than people. Here in CO it took a plane crashing into some main distribution lines to cause Xcell to cut power to part of the state for a few hours this week. Before that it had been several years since there was a major power outage. A couple times a year we'll get a single street or neighborhood without power due to snow/ice downing trees onto the power lines. Though those are usually fixed within a few hours or a day at most. Plus you have to remember just how huge the US is. Texas alone is 20% bigger than Germany. Colorado's almost as big as Germany. We have a gargantuan amount of power lines and each one can potentially fail for myriad reasons.
We live in Mid Wales UK in a 1960's 3 bed bungalow, and we are venturing into replacing our oil heater to an Air Source heat pump, but we are aware of the running costs this heating system can be, especially if your house is not ideally insulated and ours is limited. The reason for the pump coming before the insulation is because the oil burner is on it last legs, we repair it our selves last winter. So to keep the running costs down of our air source heat pump, we are going to employ our Nissan Leaf 2011. Yes we can use that battery pack still in the car on the driveway to run our Air Source heat pump on cheap over night power. In doing so we cutting two thirds off our energy bill using the 6000 watt Setec Power station fitted with a 32 amp outlet, costing around £2.5k. (this is also cheaper than replacing our lead acid battery bank with lithium batteries) This will require a 5 year payback period and giving us energy when the grid goes down, why because we have 2 Nissan Leafs. The grid only goes down in our area say once or twice a year and normally due to storm damage, but grid failures are going to become more common I believe, because our infrastructure is not keeping up with the modern world, and climate change. In the long run we will insulate and rewire re-plumb the house to create a cheaper running system. We will also plan to have at least one room capable of cooling via the Air Source Heat Pump in the summer months as in the future summer heat waves will become more common and longer standing durations.
Hey great video Nikki I'm happy that it is being talked about. You grow your own food and you would know of the imperative that sufficiency means. Having ready available EVs with large-sized batteries compared to static storage - it bothers me why so much potential has been stalled through the 2010s. When I was in an environmental science course college, we went to visit a large wind farm site in the midlands of Ireland on Turf-cut (exhausted) bogs. They built a tourist centre , we saw the projects they invested in rewetting the bogs and accommodating wildlife. They even turned the septic tank from the toilets into a long patch of birch trees... The peat burning power station was also being decommissioned for 2024, which attracted much reiterated hurt and concerns about wind power replacing the local economy of turf cutters and power station powers, neither did those workers ended up with a share of the wind turbines. They were ditched. Anywho, the electricity traders in suits came, and much of the discussion was put strongly about the challenge to decarbonize, the importance and delicacy of trading electricity at different prices in different shares across the whole EU grid, which can sell cheaper green electricity or just buy whatever's cheapest in Poland - and they explain this was for the stability and optimization for the domestic market - or kaput. I had something in me that questioned the topic of battery storage on site with the grid, and microgrids for local substations. I also asked about how solar and wind generated personally cannot be repaid and why such a thing wasn't available - they said that storage was simply not convincing yet that no previous examples had been done to safely invest, much of their strongly put reasoning was about satisfying and protecting the market, their supply, the demand, and the frequency stability that is also the supply.
Great subject. I am in process in my home with this very thing in mind. I have plenty of Solar to run the home in the day but have limited storage (Batteries). I do not want to spend on Lithium for the home as I own a 2017 Ioniq. I am also on the waiting list on the F 150 as well!! My question or rather inquiry is do anyone know where I can purchase a Vehicle to Load adapter for my car?? This would be optimum for my needs and I have seen this very device on the new Ioniq 5. Would this device work on my older Ioniq...?? Please advise.. Thanks..
I'm almost absolutely sure that the latest adapter for the current Ioniq 5 or Kia EV6 will NOT work with the older Ioniq as it doesn't have the proper wiring or software to allow such a thing. I know that Chademo equipped cars inherently have bi-directional charging but as Chademo is dying, hard to find an option that will work for V2X, despite the built-in ability to send or receive energy via the port.
Hi Nikki,. I do hope some of the EV manufacturers are paying attention. My personal thoughts regarding this is that any electric vehicle today should be equipped to handle at least vehicle to home at the rate of three kilowatts minimum. I chose three kilowatts because I have a 3 kW generator that can keep everything in my house running when I need it for days at a time. The duty cycle has to be minimum 3 kW at 100% with 175% load for 8 seconds. Motor inductive loads generally don't last any longer than that and once the motor spins up the average drops off quite a bit. I would definitely like to see the ability to go vehicle a grid. Turn the vehicle into a power wall when it's plugged into the house and be able to be a bidirectional energy source if needed. I suspect this would probably add about $3,000 to the cost of the vehicle for something like this. I include, in that price, the changes that would be needed in the house to install an auto transfer switch that could communicate with the vehicle. What I don't see is all the manufacturers getting together with the power companies and hammering out a system of standards that can serve everyone and make life more robust with regard to energy stability. Just getting these cats to agree on the type of vehicle plug is difficult. It shouldn't be, but it seems that it is. The longer the electric vehicle manufacturers wait and the more vehicles they produce that don't have compliant electrical connections and circuitry, the more difficult it's going to be to make a meaningful change later on. I love your programs. They are always quite informative and seem to be some pretty good fog lights too penetrate the fog of confusion that can be in front of all of us, from time to time. Thank you. Cheers, John L in Fairlawn Virginia USA
4:38 that is just Brilliant, known concept, but I have never thought about using my car with an inverter. Niki! I might come over for survival training from you…😄
Make sure the car is set to a mode where the DC to DC converter is actively recharging the 12V battery. On my Nissan LEAF, that means turning the ignition on. www.muskegonevguy.com/2019/02/how-to-power-your-home-during-power.html
Niki do you happen to know if Aptera is going to be able to do vehicle to home or vehicle to grid, I'm also a reservation holder and was wondering about this
I've been wanting something like this in my home since I bought my used Chevy Spark EV back in 2016. Those DCFC terminals look SO inviting for connecting a 400VDC to 240VAC two phase inverter, I'm surprised no one has been able to market something like that that can provide at least 4 or 5kW. I know it would have to negotiate with the battery interlock system, but it SHOULD work! It would be a reason to keep the Spark when I upgrade to a Bolt sometime this year or next.
I’m lucky to have a large PV system and a Tesla Powerwall ( no elec car yet). It’s interesting to see and hear about new solutions that seem to be continually developing. For a slightly different perspective a recent RUclips presentation by Bjorn Nyland ( on his channel) interviewing the CEO of company called Tibber was very interesting. Thanks for your content and good work.
Thanks Nikki -- very informative! V2L, at a minimum, is definitely on my list. Here in Phoenix, I'd aim to run a window A/C or small mini-split system to keep one small room livable. And the refrigerator and internet, of course. Would need several kW. Startup current might be an issue. V2L should provide a higher surge capability, but I'd be surprised if they do.
Thank you Nikki that explains a lot. With a 16 year old BMW I'm waiting for an EV that can offset my power needs (the family own 2 ICE cars both over 10 years old). Tesla"s Power Wall is a company that has seen a slump in sales due to Nissan's V to H. What I'm wishing for is a Model Y or a Mach E and a Aptera (all not available in Australia yet) all offsetting my power needs...is that to much to ask for?
Spot on Nikki. Using an EV to power your home or emergency specific load uses a fraction of kw as you said prob under 9kw throughput. Driving uses massive amounts of energy roughly enough to power a few houses at the same time when you step in that peddle. So this is a non issue and should be mandatory feature in ALL EVs. Vehicle To Grid should not be mandatory and also paid for by your electric provider not you as a customer. Tesla downplays V2G in the same way I reckon the way I do and has other plans based on V2H and V2L. The media and other outlets get to caught up in the hype of VTG which does nothing for EV owners.
With Ercot telling us to lower usage when it's only in the mid 90's (this is Texas, that's still mild weather) I'm really interested in this. But I still have the question, where do I get this system? Chademo hook up but all i can find is things not available yet or questionable Alibaba items.
At 6:59 you talk about combining charging circuit with power drive as quickly becoming the norm. Alan Coconni invented/ developed this in the 1990’s at the end of development of the GM EV-1. It was too late to put in the EV-1 due to. gM design freeze tip event card from mods close to production so it did not get used. It lead to the high price of the Hughs external inductive charger that was required on the EV-1.
Correction It was too late to put in the EV-1 due to a GM design freeze to prevent cars from modification close to production so it did not get used. Of course production was delayed But modification was not put in.
When I hit the juice pedal in the Bolt it can quickly ramp over 100kw. Most homes don't pull more than a few kw at a time. How could the draw from a home be bad for the EV's pack?
Well if some dufus rigs up an inverter and bypasses all the safeties, you could deplete it to a non-recoverable level. Any well-engineered commercial or DIY solution would prevent that though.
I remember there has been extensive research showing vehicle to grid was actually good for your vehicle’s battery. It might have been Dr Euan McTurk? And I’ve read recently that AC has the potential to offer a cheaper V2G connection than current DC systems. I’m hoping this becomes a standard feature very soon, it has the potential to help massively in a smart grid future.
Very interesting. Just spent 28 hours without electricity after Storm Arwen. Frustrating to have two electric vans with a combined storage of 99 kWh sitting outside, while rummaging about for candles and worrying about the freezers! Even more frustrating to have 3.6kWh of solar panels on the roof when it was a lovely sunny day yet we couldn't get any energy for them as connected to the grid. Definitely time to sort out some off-grid capabilities!
How much sense this makes depends very heavily on where you live. It is understandable that rural US (or Canada, Australia...) cannot be expected to have as reliable power supply as Europe does. (My Zagreb has experienced two rather strong earthquakes and several unusual heat waves during last 18 months, and we had a total of half an hour without power due to local substation scheduled maintenance.)
Interesting. In Scotland I have a Nissan eNV200 and some solar panels. I would really like to use it to store solar and run the house during power-cuts. Finding an organisation that could build it though, that's the problem.
v2grid ight be my favorite part of EV's, the ability to buy and sell and help frequency regulation and all, endless excitement! not to mention being able to power things anywhere without a second thought
Living in South Florida, (God's bullseye for hurricane target practice) I dream of vehicle to load capabilities when we lose power for days to weeks after only near misses!
I love these discussions about the broader technology. People don't realize how big the changes coming from things like this and self-driving are. (Edit: present company excluded)
I am absolutely interested in at least vehicle to load and home and possibly vehicle to grid capability (depending on serviceability with our local utility).
I considered buying a used Tesla but not without V2H. The Ford Lightning is too big for my crowded urban area. I would primarily charge the car during low pricing times and use the car's battery during my peak pricing hours to save on my electric bill. Would you consider reviewing the new bi-directional charging Wallbox Quasar 2 when it's available in the US? My question is will the Quasar 2 work with any EV to power my home?
Of course I want V2H and/or V2G in my next vehicle. I think Tesla will continue not offering it because Elon saw that it wasn't used in the Roadster, and doesn't quite realize that times change, even when he's not changing them.
This would be much nicer once CCS finalise their standard for VTG / VTH and hopefully include some MQTT IOT protocol, or alternatively, charger companies include some DC fast charge inverter connectivity with MQTT so that it can be intergrated to the home
What is this "book" thing you mentioned? Is that something they use in the UK? ;-) I've considered an inverter for my Bolt to keep a few things going, but haven't gotten there. Just not quite that simple and not sure it is worth it. But if it came as built in with an EV and EVSE that made it as simple as plugging in... Yeah, I think that makes sense...
I'd love to see a beefy vehicle to load system. something that could handle running a single window air conditioner with its high load starts, or space heater, and was clean enough of a power source to run a laptop without worries. A decent generator that can do that would be very expensive, and probably terrible for pollution. If I've got a ton of battery sitting in my garage, it's a pain not to be able to use it when you really need it
I charge my deep cycle batteries with my small generator or my solar cells then power my small fridge with an inverter. Since the fridge compressor only runs a few minutes per hour, the battery is on-demand only as opposed to needlessly running the generator full time.
@@DanWS100 cool. Pun intended. Just seems to me that if I'm buying a battery that huge, might as well be able to use it to run a few things in a pinch. Adding a quality inverter to the car wouldn't add much to the final price, and at the very least it's nice to have on the beach to keep your drinks cold.
Seems to me that VTL should be adequate for most people to use in an emergency, perhaps VTH if you really need to keep more things running. My concern is that many people in a VTL situation will use standard electrical extension cords which are commonly 16 Guage and will be overloaded if connected to more than one appliance at a time - like say a room air conditioner and a refrigerator and a well pump. This could cause a fire hazard. VTL connections should require a 14 or 12 guage extension cord.
Absolutely I want this. We had a natural disaster 10 months ago, and using a gas generator was noisy, dirty, and dangerous. I would love to use my Bolt instead. I could actually charge my Bolt more easily than I could find gas in our community, which was bananas.
Hi I have a Nissan leaf zero 2014 and would like the power to load choice for emergencies how can I get one in Australia?and does the car need to be on when using it
Great video, Nikki. I wanted to leave a couple of (overly-detailed) notes: 1. You alluded to, but didn't full explain the differences between systems and where the DC of the battery converts back to AC for the grid. Hyundai and Ford appear to be looking at converting DC to AC on board the vehicle, probably using the same on-board inverter they're using for V2L. Renault have also done some experiments with on-board conversion. Nissan and VW are looking at converting DC to AC off board, using a wallbox with an inverter and charging/discharging through the DC CHAdeMO/CCS port on the car. The former approach is cheaper overall and *much* cheaper in terms of the wallbox - a DC CHAdeMO/CCS wallbox costs ~$4000, even without the rest of the electrical infrastructure the house needs. 2. In terms of battery health, you're bang on with the discharge rates - even a hefty V2H system is a slow discharge that does less harm to the battery pack than a regular 7kW charge. There's other degradation mechanism, though, that's probably more important for overall battery degradation, and might make V2X *better* for your battery than unidirectional charging. Li ion batteries hate being fully charged and fully discharged. The way they work is that Li ions move between cathode and anode as the battery is charged and discharged - fully charging/discharging basically causes as much Li as possible to get crammed into the cathode/anode. Particularly if, once you've crammed all that Li ion, it rests there, it might (effectively, as I understand it) get stuck, permanently reducing battery capacity. In layman's terms, charging to 100% and leaving it there for days will cause substantial degradation. Rarely, if ever, does a manufacturer let you use all the battery pack, so '100%' might only be 90% in reality, but the principle stands. V2X requires car and charge point to undertake a sophisticated negotiation, similar to a rapid charge (sidenote: this is currently only supported through CHAdeMO, but CCS and AC standards should be getting released later this year). Certainly in the V2G trials I've seen, the app that controls the charge point limits the state of charge not only to >20% (in case of emergency) but also to
@@deltajohnny Thank you :). There have been a few advancements since I wrote this: The standards update that enables CCS and AC bidirectional power transfer was released back in April. Because it's only just been released, it'll be a little time before systems using it get going, but things are underway. Most EV charge point manufacturers are doing new models, particularly because the UK has introduced new regulations that require all new EV charging points to be smart and pre-programmed with a timer schedule and a random delay (so the entire country doesn't start charging at 10:00pm on the dot). Some of the new charge points are boasting 'compatibility with ISO 15118' - this means they're ready for AC V2G. Hyundai have stated that the Ioniq 5 and its other V2L-capable cars will be compatible with ISO 15118 after a software update at the dealership. The new version of the Kia Niro EV is available with V2L and I'm very excited to see such a mega-popular EV gearing up for V2G. There's now a serious energy crisis. I don't know what it's like in the USA, but here in Europe it's a massive issue. I expect this situation will accelerate V2G trials and their scale-up, now that there's pressure from the top. If shopping for a new EV today, I would consider V2L (that's V2G-ready) to be a highly desirable feature. I wouldn't be surprised if V2G schemes are running at scale and putting money back into consumers' pockets by 2025, at least in some parts of the world.
@@gigabyte2248 Thank you very much for the updated information! I live very close to you, in Spain, and our electrical standards are different, but I hope that the European politics "copy" what yours have implemented 👍👍👍 And yes, when I purchase an electric car, I'll be sure that it's at least V2L compatible, hopefully V2H 😁😁😁 and I read that it's better to have a LFP battery, as it tolerates better continuous discharges, for instance if we use it at home by night 😉😉
@@deltajohnny LFP chemistry is safer, cheaper and has slightly more longevity, but NMC(/NCA) chemistries are still safe, stable and reliable. I wouldn't worry too much about the chemistry of your EV battery. This is one thing that the market should sort out - once the dust has settled, low-cost chemistries, such as LFP, will be commonplace in lower-end EVs and sophisticated chemistries, such as solid state, will be in the top-end vehicles and automakers will figure out which models are worth expensive, advanced chemistries.
@@gigabyte2248 👏👏👏 Thank you very much again for the very valuable information, and let's hope that we have some health in the coming years to see what the EV future holds!! 😎😎😎
I have a problem with one thing you said, "...300 kW or more the truck will draw under full acceleration, or even the SEVERAL HUNDRED it will draw during steady cruising down the highway". It better not draw several hundred kW while cruising. If it had a 100 kWh battery and drew just 100 kW continuously, the whole battery pack would last just one hour. I know it's an unaerodynamic truck and perhaps while towing a large unaerodynamic load, it would pull that kind of power, but not likely much more than 100 kW (or 134 hp). Most (aerodynamic) EVs draw between 20 and 30 kW while cruising at highway speeds.
V2l or v2h is so important to me that I may switch from the cybertruck to the F150... I'm just waiting to hear what the v2l capabilities are on the cybertruck. Our power is super cheap compared to the rest of the country and we don't have time of use billing so any solar or batteries I put on my house is 100% emergency related and nothing to do with saving money. For the average of two outages a year that last less than 4 hours this would be amazing and so much less maintenance than a generator. The when there is a 3 day outage I can always drive to a working fast charger, charge up and have another couple of days. Between v2l and v2h I don't care... I'm not going to pay extra so that I don't have to go plug it in when a power outage happens, I can deal with that. I just care about capabilities. A 240 50A outlet on the cybertruck would be amazing.
V2H/V2G (or the lack thereof) would be the reason why my first electric vehicle would not be a Tesla. I hope Tesla gets on board with it sooner than later. I remember reading something a while ago that stated that existing Tesla vehicles could be converted to V2G with a software upgrade?? I understand they may be conflicted as they try to market PowerWall.
I’m not certain but i think V2H has another important benefit and that is if you have solar, your solar will still be operational when V2H kicks in. The vast majority of solar systems are of the grid-tied variety meaning when the grid goes down the solar also goes down so anyone working on the grid isn’t electrocuted. The V2H requires an automatic grid disconnect switch to be activated before the vehicle delivers mains power to the service panel. It seems to me that when this happens the solar inverter will be fooled into thinking the grid is up and will resume operation. I live in California which is earthquake country. If the predicted big one hits experts tell us the grid could be down for weeks. If you had a vehicle with V2H capability you solar could quite possibly continue to operate, thereby powering your house during the day and charging your vehicle, at least charging at a low rate which together with the home load does not over load the solar.
"Vehicle to home" power back up requires your BEV to be plugged in at home, so you won't be able to use the vehicle during that time - it is not a 24/7 solution for either your home or your community We need to update infrastructure and install megapacks which are much more cost effective and will benefit all (not just those lucky enough to be able to afford a BEV)
But you use more electricity when at home! I bought my leaf to be able to use as a home storage power unit and I intend to get a small powerwall to cover fridge and small units that run constantly. Only problem it v2h chargers are really expensive so my plans have to wait
@@ronaldusher39 I installed solar panels because I am at home during the day but these are "solar to grid" and if the grid goes down then so does the solar The only real solution would be a battery but they are expensive and V2H (or V2G) also requires some (very) expensive electrical work, and unless your planning for Armageddon it would not be worth the hassle and expense We need the utility companies and government to invest battery megapacks, our lives (and work) are much more (completely) reliant on electricity than they were even a decade ago, there would be massive social and economic unrest if we had widespread repeating of what happened in Texas
@@nickt6965 I have solar too and its a grid one but I know there are systems that will keep system running through a power cut keeping house lite up lol thing they did a video on @FullyChargedShw about it
Save the lithium for the cars. Use molten salt, or compressed air, or liquid air, or pumped hydro, or flywheels, or dropshafts, or liquid metal batteries for the grid :) Heck, even old lead acid batteries would be better for the home and grid than lithium. More duty cycles, and cheaper.
Second-hand F150's will be snapped up pretty quickly just because they replace 3 or 4 Tesla Powerwalls. Heck people will probably buy them new to run their off-grid farmhouses. Kind of depends on how much power you can get from the Cybertruck. I really can't wait to see them finally get delivered later this year. Hopefully by Christmas in the USA. I'm starting to want both, and just use the F150 for house power, lol.
Fortunately the power grid over here is a lot more reliable than the ones we experienced in the US. In the 40 years I lived here I can only remember 3 power outages. One was deliberate for some maintenance and 2 were diggers hitting copper. Power outage was never longer than an hour. From that point of view power to home isn't something which would influence the purchase of a car. In the US we had an average of 1 failure per year and sometimes for more than 2 days.... What I would never do is to use the car as a buffer for the solar panels or "the grid" if it has LiIon batteries. If I look at the cycles my home battery (LiFePO) gets our cars battery wouldn't make it beyond 4 years lifetime (assuming optimistic 1500 cycles) whereas the home battery is specified for 10000 cycles (well beyond 20 years). And the home battery was a lot cheaper than our Tesla!
I guess you have not heard of the BYD blade battery LFP and 4000 cycles guaranteed before it drops below 80% and at around $85 per kwh, that's 12 years of daily discharge and the new BYD EV offer V2L as well. $22k EV with a 50kwh battery, good luck finding a grid storage battery with that capacity and price and it can also be used for transport.
@@gregandkaruna6674 LiFePO is LFP and that's what I have for the house battery. As there is no rapid charging like in cars the manufacturer guaranties 10000 charge cycles and not only 4000 for 80%. The blade battery is still not available on the market and with Chinese specifications I am careful as I have burned my fingers to often. If you would have read my posting I also said that I wouldn't do it with a LiIon and mentioned the LFP as being better suited. Our Tesla has LiIon and I can fully understand why Tesla doesn't want it to be used to power a home.
@@juergenschoepf2885 Well any country that is lucky enough to get Chinese made standard range Model 3 and Y do get the much safer LFP batteries so they could be used for backup power quite safely
I would definitely want VTH or VTL avaible in an EV. In South Africa we have Loadshedding of our national grid due to Eskom (government power suppler) not doing proper maintenance over the last 20 years or so. So it would be great to use the EV to power the house it at least some appliances during the loadshedding.
Most people buy their electricity on a fixed price tariff but the actual costs are variable on a time of day basis. Get on to one of those tariffs and the benefits of vehicle to home become very clear very quickly. In my part of the world wind power is curtailed at night due to lack of demand for electricity. Electric cars on vehicle to home could dramatically increase the amount of renewables by keeping turbines running at night. Curtailment of wind turbine output in NI in 2019 could have powered 45000 cars doing 10000 miles each. That's free power with no additional investment in generating capacity or transmission. This is huge.
Could you use your car on V2H to power a heat pump during evening time just before off peak times? In UK, my off peak is 00:00-0730 34p kw and 14p kw respectively Looking at new build house with a heat pump and then a car to save money on energy bills.
Absolutely. Provided it’s set up correctly. - Nikki
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January 2020 in northern Iceland a storm took down the electricity grid in some northern parts of the country. As the storm howled on for days, repair teams could not get into the mountains to repair the powerlines. The result was that the coastguard sent ships to run their diesel generators for days on end to provide emergency power. Some places were way from the shore and were without power for 4 days. Waterpumps stopped, and emergency systems went down. Dont talk to me about Tesla powerwalls and solar chargers. Those towns are close to 66 degre north - the north polar circle, so they would not be effective so far north. Also telling country folks that have just put their money into a car with a huge mobile battery, that they have to put even more money into a stationary battery that they would use only in emergency is not convincing. Out in the field they need to use a powertool, maybe with a battery and maybe with a cord. So they plug the powertool into a power outlet in the car and the car becomes even more versatile than other cars. It is similar to the power output shafts on tractors, that can only be connected to specialized equipment, except that electricity power outlet is the most versatile power transfer that mankind has ever known, since fire.
Great video! Musk's dishonest negative comments are more to protect his power wall business. An additional capability would be to combine a solar panel/wind generator setup using the EV's battery pack as the storage device when the EV is at home. This would also provide an additional source for charging the EV's battery.
AFAIK the Tesla Cybertruck was the first vehicle announced with 110v and 220v outputs which obviously gives one V2H capability. BTW, the powerwalls have been sold out for a long time. Tesla can't produce powerwalls to fulfill all the orders.My order is 11 months old.
Fascinating. This is ticking another box for getting EV. But why are we seeing vehicles towing caravan and boat when most EV towing capacity would barely pull a shopping trolley ( and why ffs, are they driving in the middle lane?). Many thanks
This subject is important
This ^^
I would find the topic crucial as it is important, to allow the ability for people to be grow their own food and generate their own power. Scaled up this can help EV drivers who now would have at least 24kWh of Grid to Load storage on wheels to use during times of peak load on the electricity market to flatten out the duck curve/bath tub affect on our national grids. We know that Plug-ins and EVs already offset the demand dip during early hour mornings which expends useable energy (stored in steam generators) that would have to burn more fuel up to meet the morning rush again.
And this is a business-case danger for any provider that would want to sell electricity.. uhm as a business.
So it makes me most curious why Elon says that trickle discharging as much at 32 amps for the stove plus other essentials would be damaging to the car's battery pack.
Had v2g for two years know I have 2 gen Nissan Leaf the car is now on 66000 miles and just had a service and Nissan have said the battery is in good health and there no battery looses 👍👍👍👍👍
Can you use it for V2H by switching your mains to OFF when the local grid goes down? (Or does it do that for you automagically?)
Where did you get it?
How much did it cost?
Down here in New Zealand, the network company Vector, provided vehicle to home using Nissan Leafs and tech from Nissan. It’s been well tested and the recipients are pleased too. Not dangerous, not silly.
I have a CHAdeMO-equipped Leaf, and I want this five years ago. How do I get it?
Can you at least tell us more about who makes the box you're using for V2H? Make & Model?
Does it charge and provide V2H functions simply by being plugged in?
How is it connected to house power?
@@stevejordan7275 there's gotta be an inverter, and a switch on the meter to prevent backflow when there's a loss of outside grid power.
@@johnklein338 I was planning to buy a 5kW inverter so I can potentially power the refrigerator and freezer (which presumably won't always be running at the same time) without having to string extensions from the garage.
I assume this would allow for one or two already-wired-in-place lights and fans to be used (again, without having to drag an extension cable around wherever I go.)
So if I'm going to switch to battery power, can I just throw the mains to OFF, and connect the inverter OUT to any outlet with a male-to-male NEMA 5-15?
I could even put it behind a 15A breaker (or something) to keep the draw from getting too high (though it might trip if the 'fridge and freezer start up at the same time.)
Or should I get a 240V inverter and connect to where I have the L2 wall charger already plugged in? I can't use the charger when there's a power outage anyway, and that would spread the load across both 15A breakers that provide 240V charging power on a 120V home service panel.)
Sorry if that threatens to be a TL;DR... hurricane season is close, and I want my emergency power situation in place before the first one makes landfall here.
@@stevejordan7275 I'm not an electrician, but what you describe would probably work, I think. May not meet codes.
with the nissan leafs battery so tiny does it even worth bothering with? does it give any time at all? and then what good is a dead car then?
We live off the grid with a 3kwh solar system without any generator and own a electric kangoo ze 33. This would be a dream if I could finally use the power stored in the van to power our house in the winter months. We manage cause we live in the Azores Islands where even in winter it's a little sunny and rainy at the same time every day... I'm also a carpenter and to be able to go to a job site and power all the power tools without the noisy and smelly generator would be wonderful.
I've been wondering would've be cheaper to use old leaf with 24kwh battery as solar battery. At least out here in Finland, that mount of lithium battery would cost more than used leaf.
A used EV battery is great for a solar setup. Lead acid batteries can work for it too. They're cheap, good for many power cycles. They're heavy, which unless you live off the ground floor isn't a problem, and they're not very energy dense, but a closet full of them could still power your home at least overnight.
Yes you can actually get a good working and drivable Leaf here in USA for under $9k all day. This is a much cheaper price than stand alone battery pack to run your house in emergency. You still need to feed the vehicles DC battery energy into a separate 6-9kw inverter to power your home as well as auto transfer switch to cut off grid in emergency. So add another $1500 to $2k for that plus labor. Most Grid Tie solar inverters can handle from 300 to 600 volts DC input so no issue there. With the auto xfer switch and another small Off Grid inverter you can trick a Grid Tie inverter into running in emergency or Off Grid scenario.
Not that difficult, the WallBox Quasar for Chademo is available now for V2H. And the CCS version coming soon.
wallbox.com/en_us/quasar-dc-charger
if you check on ebay used EV batteries are very popular, and not cheap, cheaper than new batteries thou.
all the people worried about recycling used EV batteries dont realize they are mostly ending up as battery backup on home systems.
I also like the Ford Lightning’s smart feature that allows the vehicle to charge during off peak hours and power the home during peak hours.
Just using an EVs charge timing feature or that of a smart EVSE like the EnelX JuiceBox can and does do this already.
@@karlbloss really?! you might have just given me the missing piece in my solar/EV jigsaw.
@@karlbloss oh they are just normal type 2 chargers, solve the timing of the charging of the vehicle but not the issue of controlling when you power the home.
I would like to go off grid using solar panels and having vehicle to home or load to offset the cost of a battery backup will be important. When I am using the EV a small battery backup would provide the small amount of needed power such as for the refrigerator.
My next EV purchase will have V2L. Any car that doesn't won't be considered.
Would CyberTruck be considered V2L?
I don't know. Tesla doesn't seem to be embracing V2L. I'm not in the market for a truck.
I’d love to have the V2H feature. We have a 10kWh battery, plenty to get us through the night or a 24 hrs power outage, however, not enough to keep the house powered during a several days long blackout.
Thank you for this, I've been thoroughly bemused by the rather odd argument about v2h being bad for the vehicle battery. From my experience a slower than normal power draw would actually be good for the battery
Yes, I herd argument that frequent cycles of low power charging and discharging are actually beneficial for battery life compared to it sitting there charged.
Do you happen to have a reference to some research on this topic?
@@bazoo513 just my own work experience refurbishing aircraft batteries back in my airforce days. That is what we did to restore battery capacity.
@@jamesfromwellington Also Li-ion?
@@bazoo513 that technology wasn't common at the time but the principle that high c rate discharge degrades batteries faster that low c rate works across all battery types
@@jamesfromwellington True, but lead, NiCd, NiMH and LiPo / LiIon batteries all have wildly different "preferences" regarding deep discharge, "memory", best storage state of charge, thermal considerations etc.
100% yes. My next car will be electric, but I am holding out for a car with significant v2h capability. House renovations were done with this eventuality in mind... just need the automakers to give me the option I am hoping for now...
Thanks for explaining differences with V2L and V2H. Appreciated.
great info ! thank you !
Thank you Nikki…Excellent video. I was unaware of the amount of power you could safely draw from an electric vehicle.
One critical aspect you didn't mention was school buses - they will be critical to killing off fossil peaker plants, so it's this community's responsibility to educate and pressure decision makers to buy electric school buses that have V2G capability.
I'd rather they convert existing buses rather than making new ones, but yeah electric school buses would be great. Especially for VtG.
Buses have tons of room under the floor for batteries. Especially if you take out the driveshaft and use either a single or dual motor near the axles you have tons more room even.
They'd be great candidates for using near end of life batteries because even with their reduced capacity you can add so many to the bus that it still has plenty of range.
School buses are perfect because they aren't running all day like city buses so they will have a more ready supply of surplus power.
This will sooner or later be a must. Most probably in Europe as regulation, later in US. Let's see. Good move from Ford and Hyundai/Kia to advertise this feature after what happened in Texas.
It is a convenient solution and great for some medical situations but I'm skeptical about it's general applicability when cheaper setups are available. Nice feature though.
V2Load as in the new Hyundai & Kia is a great idea if only to keep the freezer running in an outage , all be it a very rare in the area in the U.K. that I live in. However when towing my caravan it’s a great idea as that give me a power source to the caravan when wild camp which I believe you call Boondocking.
Great video once again. Keep up the good work everyone on the team and keep smiling
We've been on the fence about putting solar on the house. My wife wants backup in such a system, which would add $$$ for enough capacity to get through an extended outage. And given the spate of outages reported on the news, I think she has a point. That's why I am so intrigued by Ford's recent announcement. The battery in a vehicle is far larger than anything I would ever consider buying for a once in a while event. And if we need to go somewhere, we have another car - and I bet most other people do too.
Why not buy an old second hand Nissan leaf they’re very cheap, park it up and connect it via one of the V2G chargers. Then it would charge up on solar ready for a power outage and to run the house in the evening when the sun goes down. That’s what I’m going to do, in my case the cars going into the garage never to be driven again. Total cost car and Nissan charger £9000 for 30 kWh of storage.
@@wobby1516 I looked into it, doesn't seem avail until 2022. Between a Leaf (which I leased for 3 years) and a truck, I'd probably have more use for the truck... but the price of a used Leaf is compelling.
V2G and V2L should be mandated as part of the electrical code. I’m sure the people in TX who were fortunate enough to own electric be vehicles with their 50kwh packs would have loved to have the heat on, even if it were only in the kitchen. Not everyone can afford Powerwalls.
Yes, we would. Though, the "star of the show" was the guy powering his home with his Ford truck. But, that makes selling the Lightning even easier.
I am not sure if the software in the car will disconnect the battery if it sees the charger trying to discharge the battery, but the simplest solution would be to include a DC charge port on hybrid solar inverters. They already have everything needed. All they need is a way to connect the car battery to the inverter. It would also work as a charger when there is solar energy.
It really is the best solution and if done correctly it would work with any car with at most a software update.
@@franciscoshi1968 Very interesting! Thanks for posting.
Manufactures should be forced to offer a vehicle to home inverter system on order to qualify for tax credits. V2L is challenging but just backfeeding one house is easy! Let's make it happen!
50kwh won't get you far though when heating. Phen w vtl is where its at
It would definitely be a feature I would be interested in to keep perishables fresh and the internet and water pressure up.
Really informative and well explained. Thank you. This is the future!
It's something I will have when I buy my EV
Thanks for the video. I would like to see vehicle-to-home built into vehicles.
In the middle of the introduction 6 seconds in I accidentally clicked to the end of the video and I immediately corrected myself to come back to the beginning of the video so I can watch this all the way through before I pass out from sleep deprivedness.....BECAUSE i care about this content
:3 lol
Yes, it is something i am very much interested in, as i live in the Caribbean, where hurricanes are a constant threat.
I have 2 powerwalls and so don’t think I would need my car to do that, but I would think about it if I didn’t have battery backups already. I would not want to own such a big truck like the F150 lightening though for the 9kW....wonder what a smaller sedan similar size to the model 3 would be able to provide? Thx for the brood and explanation. It is not apparent from Ford’s advertisement that you have to make some modification to your home to connect the truck and use as V2H option.
A very thorough explanation.
Thanks for the video. One of the reasons I’ve ordered the 60kW-h battery in my future Aptera is more juice for VTL purposes. My power gets shut off periodically by my power company during the summer months as a fire-prevention measure during high wind events.
great video .. great information .. thank you kindly
The moment the power fails? Actually, it takes 27 seconds for my propane generator to start and stabilize, so my computers (and the DSL modem) have backup battery bricks too. They don't have to run for long, but it's necessary. There are better solutions nowadays, but when we built the house 15 years ago, this was practically state of the art. It works, and always has.
Good info, Nikki. This may factor into a lot of people's choice of a new vehicle. And it's one of the many things that Ford has done right, which will be yet another reason for real truck people to buy them (we're looking at you, Texans!)
Nikki & Team, you all are simply awesome! Nikki, I am always amazed at your presentation skills. The content today is so relevant to a family's needs if emergency power is required. I was wondering if Tesla was going to raise concern as this capability might actually compete with Power Wall sales. Yes, would "Love" more information, aka Education on this topic. Thanks as always for the content. You all are "Amazing"!
Great video thanks. Interesting and I just what I was looking for! 😊
can you do a Nissan Leaf vehicle to house/grid video please if you haven't already. if you have could you share the link ... thank you
Yes, I would be interested in V2H for backup purposes. I plan to get a Tesla instead of my current ICE car, but if the Tesla doesn't support V2G, the second car will be a different brand that does support it. With a Powerwall (plus) and V2H, you would have the option to go and get some power with your car, thus enabling you to be off-grid indefinitely.
Vehicle to home is a must on my next EV that I will buy (currently lease a Bolt)
I have been living in Germany for about 8 years and I have not had a single power cut in that time.
Before moving to Germany I lived in Switzerland for 6 years and I didn't have a single power cut.
Before moving to Switzerland I lived in the Netherlands for 2 years and I didn't have any power cuts.
The last time experienced a power cut was when I was living in the UK.
I don't see much need for this technology when living in Germany.
Yeah same thing here in Christchurch NZ think last time we had a power failure was during the major earthquakes here 10 years ago.
@@gregandkaruna6674 perhaps Germany should get some major earthquakes so that we can experience a power cut.
I think Texas and California give the US a bad reputation when it comes to our grid. Here in Colorado the power rarely goes out, and it's still only 11c per kwh.
As cheap as Texas' 'free market heaven'. :P
@@Jcewazhere I've seen something on TV called "rolling power cuts" where in the US they regularly don't have enough power and schedule different parts of the city to have power cuts. Like when there is a heat wave and everyone's aircon is just too much juice so someone has to have a power cut. What's that all about then?
@@matthewbaynham6286 There's different reasons for that in different states. In TX right now it's partly because they're still fixing up some of the damage from those winter storms so they don't have as much supply as usual. Then it is unusually hot now so demand for AC spiked. Plus TX is on its own grid separate from the US because they value capitalism more than AC :P
In CA a lot of the brownouts were because PG&E refused to upgrade/fix their power lines that kept causing fires so whenever it gets too hot, dry, or windy they cut power to parts of the grid so they don't cause another fire and get sued again. They care more about profit than people.
CA gov't was also pretty short sighted and put tons of funds towards solar panels and windmills, but very little towards storing that power. So during the day they might generate too much power and have to offload it to other states at a loss.
There are of course some other issues as well, but the majority of the problems are lack of regulations and or private companies worrying about profit more than people.
Here in CO it took a plane crashing into some main distribution lines to cause Xcell to cut power to part of the state for a few hours this week. Before that it had been several years since there was a major power outage. A couple times a year we'll get a single street or neighborhood without power due to snow/ice downing trees onto the power lines. Though those are usually fixed within a few hours or a day at most.
Plus you have to remember just how huge the US is. Texas alone is 20% bigger than Germany. Colorado's almost as big as Germany.
We have a gargantuan amount of power lines and each one can potentially fail for myriad reasons.
We live in Mid Wales UK in a 1960's 3 bed bungalow, and we are venturing into replacing our oil heater to an Air Source heat pump, but we are aware of the running costs this heating system can be, especially if your house is not ideally insulated and ours is limited. The reason for the pump coming before the insulation is because the oil burner is on it last legs, we repair it our selves last winter. So to keep the running costs down of our air source heat pump, we are going to employ our Nissan Leaf 2011. Yes we can use that battery pack still in the car on the driveway to run our Air Source heat pump on cheap over night power. In doing so we cutting two thirds off our energy bill using the 6000 watt Setec Power station fitted with a 32 amp outlet, costing around £2.5k. (this is also cheaper than replacing our lead acid battery bank with lithium batteries) This will require a 5 year payback period and giving us energy when the grid goes down, why because we have 2 Nissan Leafs. The grid only goes down in our area say once or twice a year and normally due to storm damage, but grid failures are going to become more common I believe, because our infrastructure is not keeping up with the modern world, and climate change. In the long run we will insulate and rewire re-plumb the house to create a cheaper running system. We will also plan to have at least one room capable of cooling via the Air Source Heat Pump in the summer months as in the future summer heat waves will become more common and longer standing durations.
Hey great video Nikki I'm happy that it is being talked about.
You grow your own food and you would know of the imperative that sufficiency means.
Having ready available EVs with large-sized batteries compared to static storage - it bothers me why so much potential has been stalled through the 2010s.
When I was in an environmental science course college, we went to visit a large wind farm site in the midlands of Ireland on Turf-cut (exhausted) bogs. They built a tourist centre , we saw the projects they invested in rewetting the bogs and accommodating wildlife. They even turned the septic tank from the toilets into a long patch of birch trees...
The peat burning power station was also being decommissioned for 2024, which attracted much reiterated hurt and concerns about wind power replacing the local economy of turf cutters and power station powers, neither did those workers ended up with a share of the wind turbines. They were ditched.
Anywho, the electricity traders in suits came, and much of the discussion was put strongly about the challenge to decarbonize, the importance and delicacy of trading electricity at different prices in different shares across the whole EU grid, which can sell cheaper green electricity or just buy whatever's cheapest in Poland - and they explain this was for the stability and optimization for the domestic market - or kaput.
I had something in me that questioned the topic of battery storage on site with the grid, and microgrids for local substations. I also asked about how solar and wind generated personally cannot be repaid and why such a thing wasn't available - they said that storage was simply not convincing yet that no previous examples had been done to safely invest, much of their strongly put reasoning was about satisfying and protecting the market, their supply, the demand, and the frequency stability that is also the supply.
Great subject. I am in process in my home with this very thing in mind. I have plenty of Solar to run the home in the day but have limited storage (Batteries). I do not want to spend on Lithium for the home as I own a 2017 Ioniq. I am also on the waiting list on the F 150 as well!! My question or rather inquiry is do anyone know where I can purchase a Vehicle to Load adapter for my car?? This would be optimum for my needs and I have seen this very device on the new Ioniq 5. Would this device work on my older Ioniq...??
Please advise.. Thanks..
I'm almost absolutely sure that the latest adapter for the current Ioniq 5 or Kia EV6 will NOT work with the older Ioniq as it doesn't have the proper wiring or software to allow such a thing. I know that Chademo equipped cars inherently have bi-directional charging but as Chademo is dying, hard to find an option that will work for V2X, despite the built-in ability to send or receive energy via the port.
Hi Nikki,. I do hope some of the EV manufacturers are paying attention.
My personal thoughts regarding this is that any electric vehicle today should be equipped to handle at least vehicle to home at the rate of three kilowatts minimum. I chose three kilowatts because I have a 3 kW generator that can keep everything in my house running when I need it for days at a time. The duty cycle has to be minimum 3 kW at 100% with 175% load for 8 seconds. Motor inductive loads generally don't last any longer than that and once the motor spins up the average drops off quite a bit.
I would definitely like to see the ability to go vehicle a grid. Turn the vehicle into a power wall when it's plugged into the house and be able to be a bidirectional energy source if needed. I suspect this would probably add about $3,000 to the cost of the vehicle for something like this. I include, in that price, the changes that would be needed in the house to install an auto transfer switch that could communicate with the vehicle.
What I don't see is all the manufacturers getting together with the power companies and hammering out a system of standards that can serve everyone and make life more robust with regard to energy stability. Just getting these cats to agree on the type of vehicle plug is difficult. It shouldn't be, but it seems that it is.
The longer the electric vehicle manufacturers wait and the more vehicles they produce that don't have compliant electrical connections and circuitry, the more difficult it's going to be to make a meaningful change later on.
I love your programs. They are always quite informative and seem to be some pretty good fog lights too penetrate the fog of confusion that can be in front of all of us, from time to time. Thank you.
Cheers, John L in Fairlawn Virginia USA
Nice video. Sono Sion also has V2L and V2V built in :)
The Sion has yet to be seen in the real world :(
@@CaroAbebe True, but they're on preproduction prototypes and are just as valid as Ford, which was mentioned.
4:38 that is just Brilliant, known concept, but I have never thought about using my car with an inverter.
Niki! I might come over for survival training from you…😄
Make sure the car is set to a mode where the DC to DC converter is actively recharging the 12V battery. On my Nissan LEAF, that means turning the ignition on. www.muskegonevguy.com/2019/02/how-to-power-your-home-during-power.html
Definitely something I’d have here in the English countryside.
Niki do you happen to know if Aptera is going to be able to do vehicle to home or vehicle to grid, I'm also a reservation holder and was wondering about this
I've been wanting something like this in my home since I bought my used Chevy Spark EV back in 2016. Those DCFC terminals look SO inviting for connecting a 400VDC to 240VAC two phase inverter, I'm surprised no one has been able to market something like that that can provide at least 4 or 5kW. I know it would have to negotiate with the battery interlock system, but it SHOULD work! It would be a reason to keep the Spark when I upgrade to a Bolt sometime this year or next.
I’m lucky to have a large PV system and a Tesla Powerwall ( no elec car yet). It’s interesting to see and hear about new solutions that seem to be continually developing. For a slightly different perspective a recent RUclips presentation by Bjorn Nyland ( on his channel) interviewing the CEO of company called Tibber was very interesting. Thanks for your content and good work.
Thanks Nikki -- very informative! V2L, at a minimum, is definitely on my list. Here in Phoenix, I'd aim to run a window A/C or small mini-split system to keep one small room livable. And the refrigerator and internet, of course. Would need several kW. Startup current might be an issue. V2L should provide a higher surge capability, but I'd be surprised if they do.
Thank you Nikki that explains a lot. With a 16 year old BMW I'm waiting for an EV that can offset my power needs (the family own 2 ICE cars both over 10 years old). Tesla"s Power Wall is a company that has seen a slump in sales due to Nissan's V to H. What I'm wishing for is a Model Y or a Mach E and a Aptera (all not available in Australia yet) all offsetting my power needs...is that to much to ask for?
Spot on Nikki. Using an EV to power your home or emergency specific load uses a fraction of kw as you said prob under 9kw throughput. Driving uses massive amounts of energy roughly enough to power a few houses at the same time when you step in that peddle. So this is a non issue and should be mandatory feature in ALL EVs. Vehicle To Grid should not be mandatory and also paid for by your electric provider not you as a customer. Tesla downplays V2G in the same way I reckon the way I do and has other plans based on V2H and V2L. The media and other outlets get to caught up in the hype of VTG which does nothing for EV owners.
With Ercot telling us to lower usage when it's only in the mid 90's (this is Texas, that's still mild weather) I'm really interested in this. But I still have the question, where do I get this system? Chademo hook up but all i can find is things not available yet or questionable Alibaba items.
Thanks for the vid. I'll definitely be after vehicle to load for my EV when I get it. Does anyone know if the Aptera will have this?
At 6:59 you talk about combining charging circuit with power drive as quickly becoming the norm.
Alan Coconni invented/ developed this in the 1990’s at the end of development of the GM EV-1. It was too late to put in the EV-1 due to. gM design freeze tip event card from mods close to production so it did not get used.
It lead to the high price of the Hughs external inductive charger that was required on the EV-1.
Correction
It was too late to put in the EV-1 due to a GM design freeze to prevent cars from modification close to production so it did not get used.
Of course production was delayed
But modification was not put in.
When I hit the juice pedal in the Bolt it can quickly ramp over 100kw. Most homes don't pull more than a few kw at a time. How could the draw from a home be bad for the EV's pack?
Well if some dufus rigs up an inverter and bypasses all the safeties, you could deplete it to a non-recoverable level. Any well-engineered commercial or DIY solution would prevent that though.
I remember there has been extensive research showing vehicle to grid was actually good for your vehicle’s battery. It might have been Dr Euan McTurk? And I’ve read recently that AC has the potential to offer a cheaper V2G connection than current DC systems. I’m hoping this becomes a standard feature very soon, it has the potential to help massively in a smart grid future.
Very interesting. Just spent 28 hours without electricity after Storm Arwen. Frustrating to have two electric vans with a combined storage of 99 kWh sitting outside, while rummaging about for candles and worrying about the freezers! Even more frustrating to have 3.6kWh of solar panels on the roof when it was a lovely sunny day yet we couldn't get any energy for them as connected to the grid. Definitely time to sort out some off-grid capabilities!
We are not Posh enough to even have enough electricity for every home in Texas. We need vehicle to home
How much sense this makes depends very heavily on where you live. It is understandable that rural US (or Canada, Australia...) cannot be expected to have as reliable power supply as Europe does. (My Zagreb has experienced two rather strong earthquakes and several unusual heat waves during last 18 months, and we had a total of half an hour without power due to local substation scheduled maintenance.)
Thanks and yes.
Interesting. In Scotland I have a Nissan eNV200 and some solar panels. I would really like to use it to store solar and run the house during power-cuts. Finding an organisation that could build it though, that's the problem.
v2grid ight be my favorite part of EV's, the ability to buy and sell and help frequency regulation and all, endless excitement! not to mention being able to power things anywhere without a second thought
Living in South Florida, (God's bullseye for hurricane target practice) I dream of vehicle to load capabilities when we lose power for days to weeks after only near misses!
I love these discussions about the broader technology. People don't realize how big the changes coming from things like this and self-driving are. (Edit: present company excluded)
I am absolutely interested in at least vehicle to load and home and possibly vehicle to grid capability (depending on serviceability with our local utility).
I considered buying a used Tesla but not without V2H. The Ford Lightning is too big for my crowded urban area. I would primarily charge the car during low pricing times and use the car's battery during my peak pricing hours to save on my electric bill. Would you consider reviewing the new bi-directional charging Wallbox Quasar 2 when it's available in the US? My question is will the Quasar 2 work with any EV to power my home?
Of course I want V2H and/or V2G in my next vehicle. I think Tesla will continue not offering it because Elon saw that it wasn't used in the Roadster, and doesn't quite realize that times change, even when he's not changing them.
Certainly would want V2H or V2L in next car. Will utilities try to block this?
This would be much nicer once CCS finalise their standard for VTG / VTH and hopefully include some MQTT IOT protocol, or alternatively, charger companies include some DC fast charge inverter connectivity with MQTT so that it can be intergrated to the home
What is this "book" thing you mentioned? Is that something they use in the UK? ;-)
I've considered an inverter for my Bolt to keep a few things going, but haven't gotten there. Just not quite that simple and not sure it is worth it. But if it came as built in with an EV and EVSE that made it as simple as plugging in... Yeah, I think that makes sense...
I'd love to see a beefy vehicle to load system. something that could handle running a single window air conditioner with its high load starts, or space heater, and was clean enough of a power source to run a laptop without worries. A decent generator that can do that would be very expensive, and probably terrible for pollution. If I've got a ton of battery sitting in my garage, it's a pain not to be able to use it when you really need it
I charge my deep cycle batteries with my small generator or my solar cells then power my small fridge with an inverter. Since the fridge compressor only runs a few minutes per hour, the battery is on-demand only as opposed to needlessly running the generator full time.
@@DanWS100 cool. Pun intended. Just seems to me that if I'm buying a battery that huge, might as well be able to use it to run a few things in a pinch. Adding a quality inverter to the car wouldn't add much to the final price, and at the very least it's nice to have on the beach to keep your drinks cold.
Seems to me that VTL should be adequate for most people to use in an emergency, perhaps VTH if you really need to keep more things running. My concern is that many people in a VTL situation will use standard electrical extension cords which are commonly 16 Guage and will be overloaded if connected to more than one appliance at a time - like say a room air conditioner and a refrigerator and a well pump. This could cause a fire hazard. VTL connections should require a 14 or 12 guage extension cord.
Absolutely I want this. We had a natural disaster 10 months ago, and using a gas generator was noisy, dirty, and dangerous. I would love to use my Bolt instead. I could actually charge my Bolt more easily than I could find gas in our community, which was bananas.
Hi I have a Nissan leaf zero 2014 and would like the power to load choice for emergencies how can I get one in Australia?and does the car need to be on when using it
Great video, Nikki. I wanted to leave a couple of (overly-detailed) notes:
1. You alluded to, but didn't full explain the differences between systems and where the DC of the battery converts back to AC for the grid. Hyundai and Ford appear to be looking at converting DC to AC on board the vehicle, probably using the same on-board inverter they're using for V2L. Renault have also done some experiments with on-board conversion. Nissan and VW are looking at converting DC to AC off board, using a wallbox with an inverter and charging/discharging through the DC CHAdeMO/CCS port on the car. The former approach is cheaper overall and *much* cheaper in terms of the wallbox - a DC CHAdeMO/CCS wallbox costs ~$4000, even without the rest of the electrical infrastructure the house needs.
2. In terms of battery health, you're bang on with the discharge rates - even a hefty V2H system is a slow discharge that does less harm to the battery pack than a regular 7kW charge. There's other degradation mechanism, though, that's probably more important for overall battery degradation, and might make V2X *better* for your battery than unidirectional charging. Li ion batteries hate being fully charged and fully discharged. The way they work is that Li ions move between cathode and anode as the battery is charged and discharged - fully charging/discharging basically causes as much Li as possible to get crammed into the cathode/anode. Particularly if, once you've crammed all that Li ion, it rests there, it might (effectively, as I understand it) get stuck, permanently reducing battery capacity. In layman's terms, charging to 100% and leaving it there for days will cause substantial degradation. Rarely, if ever, does a manufacturer let you use all the battery pack, so '100%' might only be 90% in reality, but the principle stands. V2X requires car and charge point to undertake a sophisticated negotiation, similar to a rapid charge (sidenote: this is currently only supported through CHAdeMO, but CCS and AC standards should be getting released later this year). Certainly in the V2G trials I've seen, the app that controls the charge point limits the state of charge not only to >20% (in case of emergency) but also to
Awesome comment!!! 👏👏👏
@@deltajohnny Thank you :). There have been a few advancements since I wrote this:
The standards update that enables CCS and AC bidirectional power transfer was released back in April. Because it's only just been released, it'll be a little time before systems using it get going, but things are underway.
Most EV charge point manufacturers are doing new models, particularly because the UK has introduced new regulations that require all new EV charging points to be smart and pre-programmed with a timer schedule and a random delay (so the entire country doesn't start charging at 10:00pm on the dot). Some of the new charge points are boasting 'compatibility with ISO 15118' - this means they're ready for AC V2G.
Hyundai have stated that the Ioniq 5 and its other V2L-capable cars will be compatible with ISO 15118 after a software update at the dealership. The new version of the Kia Niro EV is available with V2L and I'm very excited to see such a mega-popular EV gearing up for V2G.
There's now a serious energy crisis. I don't know what it's like in the USA, but here in Europe it's a massive issue. I expect this situation will accelerate V2G trials and their scale-up, now that there's pressure from the top.
If shopping for a new EV today, I would consider V2L (that's V2G-ready) to be a highly desirable feature. I wouldn't be surprised if V2G schemes are running at scale and putting money back into consumers' pockets by 2025, at least in some parts of the world.
@@gigabyte2248 Thank you very much for the updated information! I live very close to you, in Spain, and our electrical standards are different, but I hope that the European politics "copy" what yours have implemented 👍👍👍
And yes, when I purchase an electric car, I'll be sure that it's at least V2L compatible, hopefully V2H 😁😁😁 and I read that it's better to have a LFP battery, as it tolerates better continuous discharges, for instance if we use it at home by night 😉😉
@@deltajohnny LFP chemistry is safer, cheaper and has slightly more longevity, but NMC(/NCA) chemistries are still safe, stable and reliable. I wouldn't worry too much about the chemistry of your EV battery. This is one thing that the market should sort out - once the dust has settled, low-cost chemistries, such as LFP, will be commonplace in lower-end EVs and sophisticated chemistries, such as solid state, will be in the top-end vehicles and automakers will figure out which models are worth expensive, advanced chemistries.
@@gigabyte2248 👏👏👏 Thank you very much again for the very valuable information, and let's hope that we have some health in the coming years to see what the EV future holds!! 😎😎😎
I have a problem with one thing you said, "...300 kW or more the truck will draw under full acceleration, or even the SEVERAL HUNDRED it will draw during steady cruising down the highway". It better not draw several hundred kW while cruising. If it had a 100 kWh battery and drew just 100 kW continuously, the whole battery pack would last just one hour. I know it's an unaerodynamic truck and perhaps while towing a large unaerodynamic load, it would pull that kind of power, but not likely much more than 100 kW (or 134 hp). Most (aerodynamic) EVs draw between 20 and 30 kW while cruising at highway speeds.
V2l or v2h is so important to me that I may switch from the cybertruck to the F150... I'm just waiting to hear what the v2l capabilities are on the cybertruck. Our power is super cheap compared to the rest of the country and we don't have time of use billing so any solar or batteries I put on my house is 100% emergency related and nothing to do with saving money. For the average of two outages a year that last less than 4 hours this would be amazing and so much less maintenance than a generator. The when there is a 3 day outage I can always drive to a working fast charger, charge up and have another couple of days. Between v2l and v2h I don't care... I'm not going to pay extra so that I don't have to go plug it in when a power outage happens, I can deal with that. I just care about capabilities. A 240 50A outlet on the cybertruck would be amazing.
Yes VtoH is important to me in the future
V2H/V2G (or the lack thereof) would be the reason why my first electric vehicle would not be a Tesla. I hope Tesla gets on board with it sooner than later. I remember reading something a while ago that stated that existing Tesla vehicles could be converted to V2G with a software upgrade?? I understand they may be conflicted as they try to market PowerWall.
I’m not certain but i think V2H has another important benefit and that is if you have solar, your solar will still be operational when V2H kicks in. The vast majority of solar systems are of the grid-tied variety meaning when the grid goes down the solar also goes down so anyone working on the grid isn’t electrocuted. The V2H requires an automatic grid disconnect switch to be activated before the vehicle delivers mains power to the service panel. It seems to me that when this happens the solar inverter will be fooled into thinking the grid is up and will resume operation. I live in California which is earthquake country. If the predicted big one hits experts tell us the grid could be down for weeks. If you had a vehicle with V2H capability you solar could quite possibly continue to operate, thereby powering your house during the day and charging your vehicle, at least charging at a low rate which together with the home load does not over load the solar.
"Vehicle to home" power back up requires your BEV to be plugged in at home, so you won't be able to use the vehicle during that time - it is not a 24/7 solution for either your home or your community
We need to update infrastructure and install megapacks which are much more cost effective and will benefit all (not just those lucky enough to be able to afford a BEV)
But you use more electricity when at home! I bought my leaf to be able to use as a home storage power unit and I intend to get a small powerwall to cover fridge and small units that run constantly. Only problem it v2h chargers are really expensive so my plans have to wait
@@ronaldusher39 I installed solar panels because I am at home during the day but these are "solar to grid" and if the grid goes down then so does the solar
The only real solution would be a battery but they are expensive and V2H (or V2G) also requires some (very) expensive electrical work, and unless your planning for Armageddon it would not be worth the hassle and expense
We need the utility companies and government to invest battery megapacks, our lives (and work) are much more (completely) reliant on electricity than they were even a decade ago, there would be massive social and economic unrest if we had widespread repeating of what happened in Texas
@@nickt6965 I have solar too and its a grid one but I know there are systems that will keep system running through a power cut keeping house lite up lol thing they did a video on @FullyChargedShw about it
Save the lithium for the cars. Use molten salt, or compressed air, or liquid air, or pumped hydro, or flywheels, or dropshafts, or liquid metal batteries for the grid :)
Heck, even old lead acid batteries would be better for the home and grid than lithium. More duty cycles, and cheaper.
Vehicle to load is a real boon , no wimpy 12v versions of decent vacuum cleaners, power tools , pumps, compressors etc
Interested, yes!
Second-hand F150's will be snapped up pretty quickly just because they replace 3 or 4 Tesla Powerwalls. Heck people will probably buy them new to run their off-grid farmhouses. Kind of depends on how much power you can get from the Cybertruck. I really can't wait to see them finally get delivered later this year. Hopefully by Christmas in the USA. I'm starting to want both, and just use the F150 for house power, lol.
Fortunately the power grid over here is a lot more reliable than the ones we experienced in the US. In the 40 years I lived here I can only remember 3 power outages. One was deliberate for some maintenance and 2 were diggers hitting copper. Power outage was never longer than an hour. From that point of view power to home isn't something which would influence the purchase of a car. In the US we had an average of 1 failure per year and sometimes for more than 2 days....
What I would never do is to use the car as a buffer for the solar panels or "the grid" if it has LiIon batteries. If I look at the cycles my home battery (LiFePO) gets our cars battery wouldn't make it beyond 4 years lifetime (assuming optimistic 1500 cycles) whereas the home battery is specified for 10000 cycles (well beyond 20 years). And the home battery was a lot cheaper than our Tesla!
I guess you have not heard of the BYD blade battery LFP and 4000 cycles guaranteed before it drops below 80% and at around $85 per kwh, that's 12 years of daily discharge and the new BYD EV offer V2L as well. $22k EV with a 50kwh battery, good luck finding a grid storage battery with that capacity and price and it can also be used for transport.
@@gregandkaruna6674 LiFePO is LFP and that's what I have for the house battery. As there is no rapid charging like in cars the manufacturer guaranties 10000 charge cycles and not only 4000 for 80%.
The blade battery is still not available on the market and with Chinese specifications I am careful as I have burned my fingers to often.
If you would have read my posting I also said that I wouldn't do it with a LiIon and mentioned the LFP as being better suited. Our Tesla has LiIon and I can fully understand why Tesla doesn't want it to be used to power a home.
@@juergenschoepf2885 Well any country that is lucky enough to get Chinese made standard range Model 3 and Y do get the much safer LFP batteries so they could be used for backup power quite safely
I would definitely want VTH or VTL avaible in an EV. In South Africa we have Loadshedding of our national grid due to Eskom (government power suppler) not doing proper maintenance over the last 20 years or so. So it would be great to use the EV to power the house it at least some appliances during the loadshedding.
3:40 I have a CHAdeMO-equipped Leaf. How or where do I get one of those things?
“Dump the pump!” Yea!!
How would an electric oven rated 2000w affect the car on Car to Home? Say you use it for 2 hrs
I want V2L + V2H. V2L for a portable freezer when buying frozen food in our triple digit summer and V2H as backup in a grid outage.
yep should b a standard , i cant imagine tesla ignoring this in thier truck !
It's a bit obvious why they do that. Tesla also sold home battery packs.
Most people buy their electricity on a fixed price tariff but the actual costs are variable on a time of day basis. Get on to one of those tariffs and the benefits of vehicle to home become very clear very quickly. In my part of the world wind power is curtailed at night due to lack of demand for electricity. Electric cars on vehicle to home could dramatically increase the amount of renewables by keeping turbines running at night. Curtailment of wind turbine output in NI in 2019 could have powered 45000 cars doing 10000 miles each. That's free power with no additional investment in generating capacity or transmission. This is huge.
Yes if the cars are charged by renewables during the day at a net increase of storage, otherwise, not so much.
How would we set up vehicle to home with a Mustang Mach-e?
The cibertrucks will be able to power some home 120 appliances
I am a subscriber but waiting on the Cibertrucks
Could you use your car on V2H to power a heat pump during evening time just before off peak times? In UK, my off peak is 00:00-0730 34p kw and 14p kw respectively
Looking at new build house with a heat pump and then a car to save money on energy bills.
Absolutely. Provided it’s set up correctly. - Nikki
January 2020 in northern Iceland a storm took down the electricity grid in some northern parts of the country. As the storm howled on for days, repair teams could not get into the mountains to repair the powerlines. The result was that the coastguard sent ships to run their diesel generators for days on end to provide emergency power. Some places were way from the shore and were without power for 4 days. Waterpumps stopped, and emergency systems went down.
Dont talk to me about Tesla powerwalls and solar chargers. Those towns are close to 66 degre north - the north polar circle, so they would not be effective so far north. Also telling country folks that have just put their money into a car with a huge mobile battery, that they have to put even more money into a stationary battery that they would use only in emergency is not convincing. Out in the field they need to use a powertool, maybe with a battery and maybe with a cord. So they plug the powertool into a power outlet in the car and the car becomes even more versatile than other cars.
It is similar to the power output shafts on tractors, that can only be connected to specialized equipment, except that electricity power outlet is the most versatile power transfer that mankind has ever known, since fire.
Is it possible to add equipment and do this with a Tesla?
I really hope Elon relents on the V2x front soon - it is starting to look like a very big missing item on the spec sheet!
AFAIK the Tesla Cybertruck was the first vehicle announced with 110v and 220v outputs which obviously gives one V2H capability.
Great video! Musk's dishonest negative comments are more to protect his power wall business. An additional capability would be to combine a solar panel/wind generator setup using the EV's battery pack as the storage device when the EV is at home. This would also provide an additional source for charging the EV's battery.
AFAIK the Tesla Cybertruck was the first vehicle announced with 110v and 220v outputs which obviously gives one V2H capability.
BTW, the powerwalls have been sold out for a long time. Tesla can't produce powerwalls to fulfill all the orders.My order is 11 months old.
Fascinating. This is ticking another box for getting EV. But why are we seeing vehicles towing caravan and boat when most EV towing capacity would barely pull a shopping trolley ( and why ffs, are they driving in the middle lane?). Many thanks