Yeah elephant archers need a buff, it's unreasonable for an Indian archer having a 6 foot elephation to have the same range, reload and attack as an Indian foot archer ;)
Historically... Truthfully... Accurately... They did...skilled desert Tribesmen throwing double edge swords are better than costly Persian war elephants
*Ain Jalut intensifies* Seriously though: AoE2's depiction of them is a pet peeve: The Mamelukes were cavalrymen who rode horses, not camels. Arabs as a whole by this period hardly fought on camels anyway!
@Into Comedy Ok, in a sandbox like this where x mangudai go against x elephants sure. But some of the best pro players (Hera, The Viper) just love mangudai and they said they're broken and have proven they can destroy entire armies with just these archer boys. Elephants are too slow to take on mangudai (same resources and time considered) and genoese crossbows are just underwhelming and easily countered with trash.
Mamelukes lost only to Siege Onagers, Heavy camel riders, Imperial Camel Riders, Cataphracts, Ballista elephant (would say was even this), war elephants, teutonic knights. One of the most powerful unique units if we dont consider micro (with that mangudai and conquistadores are broken)
Which fits because it's also one of the most expansive. As long as those test don't include ressources the only thing they tend to tell you is which unit cost the most.
Can actually beat the War elephant with a touch of micro. But are countered by Camels as well Countered so cost effectively by halberdiers (assuming they can close) and skirmishers - although with the price tag a lot of units will be cost effective considering the weighting of gold
@@MindonHighD hmmm in a real game no, because they are too slow, for that they are weaks but if they can touch the Mameluke the mameluke are die...But all fast infatry can won, (except the Karambit) Like Eagles (Aztecs and Mayans only) Catapharcts because they are the most OP chavalary, the Shotels, the Samurai and more (i dont remember all) but obiously whit other units making protection to the Samurai (for example) but the Eagles don't need that, the best strategy in european civs are Paladín or Knight with pikeman, and the American civs are just Eagles more Kamayuk (incas) Jaguar warrior or Pikeman (Aztecs) and Plumed archer (Mayans)
@MikeEmpires - Age of Empires II These simulations would be more accurate if instead of having equal numbers of units fighting, it was equal worth in cost... Let me give you an example: 20 Mamelukes against 20 long bowmen are obviously going to crush them (strictly in a UU Match up with no supporting units.) BUT Mameluke are 55 food and 85 gold a total for 140. Elite longbow men are 35 wood 45 gold, a total of 80. So 20 Mameluke is 2,800 resources, where as 20 longbow men are 1600. So its 2,800 of resources vs 1600 who do you think is going to win? A more accurate battle between these two UU would be 20 Mamelukes (2,800 resources.) Vs 35 long bowmen which is also 2,800 resources. Your match up of Cataphracts vs Mamelukes is good because they almost cost the same so the numbers being even makes sense.
There is only about 3 or 4 units to beat the Mamelukes in equal numbers, but the problem is, the few that won against them, wouldn’t have won if the Mameluke player micro them even a little bit..
@@MikeEmpires Bro instead of equal numbers you need to be doing equal pop space, i.e. 2x as many Karambits. Karambit warriors fighting anything one-on-one just a joke.
Cataphracts instead of having 0 Cavalry Armor have like +12 (+16) Cavalry Armor meaning they actually negate most bonus damage, which is why they can be so hard to counter when massed since even Halbs lose 1/2 their attack against them. Mamelukes only do something like +9 (+12) so their bonus is completely negated.
Templars are French. Teutonic Knights are German, so I'm afraid you're quite incorrect. Besides, in real Saladin kinda beat the Templars in the long-run (he did lose a couple battles, like Montgisard, but he did eventually take Jerusalem, so yeah).
Don't really see the point of comparing them with archers with equal numbers. Sure, they destroy units that cost about a third of their price but by the time you get 15 mameluke, your opponent will have 40 longbowmen
That Saracen lategame.. full techs on barracks, archery, stable, monks, gunpowder, siege rams and onagers and what is probably the most difficult unique unit to counter. just gotta get there
What are you talking about, cataphracts do not take bonus damage from mamlukes. In a real situation mamlukes win everyday against same number of cataphracts, even more of them
Saladin will be proud of them
Wish they had really long lances instead. Throwing swords on a horseback is the most unhistorical shit ever.
True lol
Lol I came to comments specifically about to ask if anyone else was concerned about how ridiculous it is that they throw swords instead of javelins.
who cares about history when you have STYLE
Mounted Kamayuks v:
@@Ismas96 Steppe Lancers are kind of mounted Kamayuks, but without the bonus vs. cavalry.
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Didn't expect they beat elephant archers
Makelukes' bonus damage against calvary helps a lot in shredding through the elephants' massive HP.
Ele archers have zero melee armor
Didn't expect it to be so close, mamelukes counter cavalry.
Yeah elephant archers need a buff, it's unreasonable for an Indian archer having a 6 foot elephation to have the same range, reload and attack as an Indian foot archer ;)
Holy Hell I didn’t expect the Mangudai to go down that fast
Pretty low HP and takes brutal bonus dmg.
Altough Mangudai should perform better with micro and or meat shield.
Historically...
Truthfully...
Accurately...
They did...skilled desert
Tribesmen throwing double edge swords are better than costly Persian war elephants
@@আল্লাহরবান্দারাসূলুল্লাহএরউম্ম lol
Well camel counter calvary (except the byzantines) so yeah
*Ain Jalut intensifies*
Seriously though: AoE2's depiction of them is a pet peeve: The Mamelukes were cavalrymen who rode horses, not camels. Arabs as a whole by this period hardly fought on camels anyway!
10:33 it's over saracin I have the high ground
11:56 domestic cumans VS wild cumans
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bruh its kinda accurate
Best unique unit in the game, just so damn expensive.
Nope, but it's one of the best units.
Persian Elephants are kinda OP
In every scenario they are the most common unit to count every unit, it's a beast
They lost versus cataphracht who should actually counter as cavalry unit.
If microd properly they shouldn't lose against any unit
Now I understand why they make 85g each.
Melee attack on ranged with 130hp.
Memelukes throwing 1000 degrees melting knifes to cavalry
Mamelukes can melt steel war wagons.
@Into Comedy Funny how well micro'd Mangudai can beat nearly anything in the game. It is like rock paper scissor nuke.
@Into Comedy Ok, in a sandbox like this where x mangudai go against x elephants sure. But some of the best pro players (Hera, The Viper) just love mangudai and they said they're broken and have proven they can destroy entire armies with just these archer boys. Elephants are too slow to take on mangudai (same resources and time considered) and genoese crossbows are just underwhelming and easily countered with trash.
LOST vs cataphract,war elephant,teutonic knight,ballista elephant,imperial camel.
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Reynald is attacking our caravan
Mamelukes lost only to Siege Onagers, Heavy camel riders, Imperial Camel Riders, Cataphracts, Ballista elephant (would say was even this), war elephants, teutonic knights.
One of the most powerful unique units if we dont consider micro (with that mangudai and conquistadores are broken)
Which fits because it's also one of the most expansive. As long as those test don't include ressources the only thing they tend to tell you is which unit cost the most.
Mamelukes would smoke TK, war elephants, heavy camel riders, imperial camel riders, cataphracts even mangudai and conquistadores if microed properly.
LOL that elephant ownage was shocking after so many victories. Pikes own both of those units though so it works out.
Thanks for all the videos it is really helpful.
Mameluk counter :
War elephant
Teuton knights
Cataphract
Something else?
What about scorpions?
Can actually beat the War elephant with a touch of micro. But are countered by Camels as well
Countered so cost effectively by halberdiers (assuming they can close) and skirmishers - although with the price tag a lot of units will be cost effective considering the weighting of gold
more archers better britons can beat saracens quite easily. halbadiers and long bow or arbalests with that range is deadly against them.
Every archer and camel civs can beat Saracens
Cataphracts, massed longbows, chuko nu, plumed,Genoese xbows rattan archers, camel archers, kipchak, mangudai, imperial camel, gbeto, massed karambit and many more
teuton knights are too ez for saracens same with war elephant.
Cataphracts didnt really win by that much.
A little micro and they would have won
They are one of the best of the best units in the game...but my god they are expensive
Oh yeah, my favorite unique unit
It's strange that the Mameluke has the "Archer" armor
No they have cavalry armor
Flaming camels did surprisingly well!
I mean, they are an anti cavalry unit.
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Mamelukes are OP
Meanwhile AOE3 mamelukes are actual tanks impervious to bullets
Mangudais could win over mamelukes if they spread correctly~
a teutonic knight tanking more than a dozen of mameluke...
very good work vs the kamayuks !! unspected
There is a reason why they're so expensive...
So strong. They wreck any cavalry
Except catas
@@basilbaby2069 yeah catas are just ... catas
They can win all infantry except teutonic knight
GOD Of Monster with micro they probably beat them
@@MindonHighD hmmm in a real game no, because they are too slow, for that they are weaks but if they can touch the Mameluke the mameluke are die...But all fast infatry can won, (except the Karambit) Like Eagles (Aztecs and Mayans only) Catapharcts because they are the most OP chavalary, the Shotels, the Samurai and more (i dont remember all) but obiously whit other units making protection to the Samurai (for example) but the Eagles don't need that, the best strategy in european civs are Paladín or Knight with pikeman, and the American civs are just Eagles more Kamayuk (incas) Jaguar warrior or Pikeman (Aztecs) and Plumed archer (Mayans)
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Saladin where are you going with that great army?
They even kicked the asses of Samurai...
why lost vs catafracts and not vs Tarkan???
Mamelukes best unit in aoe2
@MikeEmpires - Age of Empires II These simulations would be more accurate if instead of having equal numbers of units fighting, it was equal worth in cost... Let me give you an example: 20 Mamelukes against 20 long bowmen are obviously going to crush them (strictly in a UU Match up with no supporting units.) BUT Mameluke are 55 food and 85 gold a total for 140. Elite longbow men are 35 wood 45 gold, a total of 80. So 20 Mameluke is 2,800 resources, where as 20 longbow men are 1600. So its 2,800 of resources vs 1600 who do you think is going to win? A more accurate battle between these two UU would be 20 Mamelukes (2,800 resources.) Vs 35 long bowmen which is also 2,800 resources. Your match up of Cataphracts vs Mamelukes is good because they almost cost the same so the numbers being even makes sense.
He is already considering taking cost into the matchup, it’s just he is doing number matchup first
@@huuvannguyen4656 thanks yeah I saw that after I wrote this comment. Looking forward to it
Also need creation time comparison. Equal time to create unit because sometimes you have money but cant group up
I really didn't expect the catas to win
I was rooting so hard for the flaming camels
Best unique unit counter: elite camel riders
Situational unique counter: elite Teutonic knight.
There is only about 3 or 4 units to beat the Mamelukes in equal numbers, but the problem is, the few that won against them, wouldn’t have won if the Mameluke player micro them even a little bit..
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Mameluke is the best unit in AOE 2
My ancestors were so strong !
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best unique
How it is possible cataphracts win against mamlukes ??
And the equal resources?
In production. It’ll come out after the equal numbers series. I might release some equal resources videos earlier to see their performance.
@@MikeEmpires Bro instead of equal numbers you need to be doing equal pop space, i.e. 2x as many Karambits. Karambit warriors fighting anything one-on-one just a joke.
@@Hennu_TRM Did you count the amount of karambits? Cause they were 30, so that is 2x 15.
How cataphracts win against Memeluke that supreme counter cavalry unit...
Cataphracts instead of having 0 Cavalry Armor have like +12 (+16) Cavalry Armor meaning they actually negate most bonus damage, which is why they can be so hard to counter when massed since even Halbs lose 1/2 their attack against them. Mamelukes only do something like +9 (+12) so their bonus is completely negated.
I first read "Memeluke" and I was like, why would you call a unit like that?
Well.
Scimitar-throwing units
NAAM? AL HOOJOOM!
Anyway I prefer elefants...
My monks prefer elephants, too.
THE MEMELUKE BABY!!
Why skirmisher mameluke deals bonus damage
they can even win against byza if you patrol stand ground
So basically who defeated them?
Omagers make them sht
Saladin have a great army, but the templars decimate them hehe, good day bro and nice video!!!
Yeah that armour is crazy strong...I guess this means saladin used them arbalest back in the day of the 3rd crusade lol
@@noidontwantthat7237 Yeah hahaha
Templars are French. Teutonic Knights are German, so I'm afraid you're quite incorrect. Besides, in real Saladin kinda beat the Templars in the long-run (he did lose a couple battles, like Montgisard, but he did eventually take Jerusalem, so yeah).
Don't really see the point of comparing them with archers with equal numbers. Sure, they destroy units that cost about a third of their price but by the time you get 15 mameluke, your opponent will have 40 longbowmen
Equally pop
@@mrm8896 yeah but this only counts in the endgame when you've got 80 military, not 15
Saracens got good markets
There were some fireworks at the end
Most op unique in the game
Persian Elephants
Turtle ships
camels/halbs + protected (cavalry) archers is a good counter0
I feel like cataphract might get that one...
The true it's all unique units can be decimated by common units, all units have's a counter.
It would be better to make value-driven equivalences over numeric ones. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
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holy shit, they melt letis
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Scimitar throwing ftw
That Saracen lategame.. full techs on barracks, archery, stable, monks, gunpowder, siege rams and onagers and what is probably the most difficult unique unit to counter. just gotta get there
Cheap pikes will delete them ez
Awesome!!
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Wow, you were here in the first second of release, man.
MikeEmpires - Age of Empires II he was waiting for it !
Damn hehe...
Abuse the group formation as convenient and not equals their cost value. Then, it is totally fake.
Why Cataprathas win?
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These videos are pointless because you're doing 15vs15 rather than resource cost
Despite being a meme faction , mameluke is darn strong .
Also i believe you missed the match up again mongol mangudai ?
They are meme in standard match up, but in the last tournament Where they played empire war mode, they are among top tier civ.
How did he missed them when it was right there? :S
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Preform worse then I expected, lose versus cataphracht, who should actually counter also are very gold intense.
What are you talking about, cataphracts do not take bonus damage from mamlukes. In a real situation mamlukes win everyday against same number of cataphracts, even more of them
Its cause cataphracht are actually good against most units excepts supermen lineup
he didnt use patrol and stand ground, also you can except few number of mumlukes to do damage , just add few and see the magic happen
With little bit micro they own catas sure
catas is camel counter
There are many civs which can counter Saracens easily
u noob
@@apookatzgaming8770 how ?
Mameluke too expensive, attack bonus not enough, can’t beat paladin with 4 relics
Noob