Personally I don't think the 24" screen is huge. It's plenty for sure, but if you're an animator, it's a must to have that extra space for panels like the timeline and so on. I also hate drawing on an A4 size paper, it's easier and less stressful to control pen strokes on a larger canvas
@@kiblinflinn8147 I have the M1 iPad Pro 12.9 and here's my experience: Amazing pen and touch responsiveness. Perfect in apps like Procreate and Fresco. I have a Sketchboard Pro and a PaperLike (both are musts) and had no issues in the last 2 years of use. Some PaperLike reviewers wore out their pencil tip but I slightly lowered the initial activation force in apps' settings, so I've never had that problem whatsoever. I've literally used one tip for like 5 months without any wear-down and only replace it occasionally just in case. I would absolutely trade the iPad for a Cintiq Pro or Kamvas Pro. My favorite art/animation app CSP Ex is amazing with a PC and sucks to use on an iPad, on the account of the small screen and desktop oriented functionality. Plus on a PC there are apps like Adobe Animate and Toon Boom Harmony that wipe the floor with something like the new "Procreate Dreams" app. Personally I can't go back to a no-touch tablet, so I have my sights set on the new Kamvas Pro 27 instead of Pro 24.
As a new person to art. I learned well on paper. Tablet has had a ridiculous learning curve that I could not get after months of practice. And I finally bought a Pen Display used. It hyper charged my learning. Having the ability to undo and experiment with different layers let me try different things that I couldnt on paper. And seeing the work in front of me was much easier than using a tablet.
I started on paper, tried to get used to tablet for probably a decade and a half. Never got used to it. Screentablet had a learning curve counted in seconds. Screenless isn't for everyone.
@Paintable much like yourself, years ago I purchased a graphics tablet for use on a videogames degree, but I never felt it worked naturally compared to a pencil and paper. So this past year, I got the Huion Kamvas 24 Pro 4K and have been learning to use that, and I fully appreciate the change. Its large canvas also helps me with my Motor Dysgraphia.
I'm glad you mentioned posture because that was the first thing I noticed when you compared the two. I have a standup desk so maybe I can position myself better with the screen tablet.
I'm currently using Huion Kamvas 12 Pro. Yessss, I'm glad I ain't the only one suffering neck pain after working long hours on painting and designing with a graphic tablet.
@@Paintable Mine came with a stand that sit on flat surface. It has two turning rods. The short one goes between 20 - 40 degrees angle. The longer goes between 60 - 90 degrees angle. But still cause neck pain. :( I had to use it for 20-30 minutes then I take a break.
Just one more thing on the pressure sensitivity: I have used several tablets with pressure sensitivity ranging from 1024 to 8194 levels of pressure, but I feel that it's importance is quite overrated. It might be noticible slightly, but the difference isn't that big, and older Wacom tablets with 2048 pressure levels are excellent. I highly recommend Intuos 5 tablets, which are basically an older version of the Intuos Pro, but you can buy them quite cheaply second hand and save yourself a lot of money. The quality is such that they will last very long.
After using a Screen Tablet for years the day to day grind just took too much out of my neck and shoulder. I had to switch back to an Intuos. However I went with a Large this time also I put it up on a tablet stand to give me a better angle while working. With the larger work area and it not being flat on the desk, it allows me to continue to use my arm and shoulder instead of just the wrist while working. Paired with a good BenQ monitor, it's hard to leave my current set up but I admit I miss the connection a screen tablet gives you.
I've had the smallest Wacom 1 for yeaarrss and now been researching on whether to finally buy a display tablet. But like you I think i'll get a bigger non display one and a good monitor instead. Cuz the neck and back pain just doesn't seem to be worth it. Guess I'll always just dream about that connection a screen tablet must offer...
Been using my pen display as pen tablet lately, I'm starting to miss how intuitive it is to draw on the screen but its for the best. Pen tablets save both my wallet and health on the long run so that's neat. Also didn't know a stand for one could do that, will take it into consideration for sure!
I found the relative size of your tablet compared to your screen matters a lot. I used to draw on a 12" Mac Book G4 with an A5 Intuos tablet, which worked quite well. Using the same A5 tablet, with a 27" screen is much harder, as the pen movement gets magnified.
For me, the most significant disadvantage of a screen tablet is its ergonomics. I have problems with my spine and absolutely cannot tilt my head forward for a long time. I need to sit straight and have the screen at my eye level. It's pretty difficult to make a convenient setup with both screen tablet and monitor at eye level, especially if I don't want to change my vintage custom desk... :D
true, I am about to switch to xppen new 16k pressure non screen tablet. It feels like you need more space for digital painting and a nice monitor to see everything.
i do 3d sculpting and I'm really dreaming to try it on screen tablet, though usual tablet is alright too. digital sculpting isn't as punishing as drawing anyway
It's good to have more options for the displays. I have a Wacom Cintiq 22HD at home and an XP-Pen at work. Both are good, but I like how the Cintiq pen work (the flip around motion to get to the eraser -- like a real pencil). It also does not need to charge the pen, like the XP-Pen does. But at a fraction of the cost, it is worth it.
I have been using a screenless Intuos tablet with touch for many years now, and I love it. Just like you said, I use it for everything, not just drawing. But sometimes I felt like a screentablet would improve my work, make it easier, which is why I have tried several of them over the years. I tried two smaller Wacom ones, but because of the small screen and the resolution this was too uncomfortable for me. It was quite stressful for my eyes to be this close to the screen, and the muddy resolution made it even worse. I also had the issue that it was too much strain on the neck sitting hunched over a tablet, so I sold them. A few months ago I felt the need to try a bigger screen tablet, this time a Huion Kamvas 22. I tried and really wanted to like it, but somehow I just could not feel comfortable. The screen is too big so my keyboard is in an awkward position to use shortcuts (which I rely on heavily). Not having touch also was a bummer, especially when I am used to an iPad. It was a good thing I tried it, but a screenless tablet works better for me.
I had been using a Huion tablet for years. It worked well for me for a long time. But I recently borrowed my cousins wacom one display tablet and I instantly saw improvement in my art. I was so surprised by how much easier I was able to use it. Needless to say, I'll be getting my own display tablet once I have the funds
I have tried the ipads at the apple store. They do feel better and my drawings seem to flow easier. Not sure about a big display tablet. You are lucky to have a cousin with a display tablet to try.
The problem I have is my eyes are tired by these long hours of screen working. I fear that a display tablet may hurt my eyes. I started with a pen tablet (a Wacom), and I'm already "trained" to work looking to the screen, not my hand. So, methink that I will go pen tablet again, but this time a bigger pen tablet!! I think about the Wacom Intuos Pro Large. Yup.
This video was the last straw that pushed me into buying the tablet, thanks! One question though, what is that monitor arm you're using with it? It looks nice!
I have a question. How did you use two tablets simultaneously on 5:04? I hear in every review that before installing driver for new tablet you need to delete the previous. Does it possible in mac os to use both tablets? Or you just used the screen tablet as a normal monitor in that case?
The accuracy of Huion pen displays is great except near the edges of the screen. The quality seems about similar to Wacom. They both have their flaws and Wacom is not perfect either.
i replace my cintiq 22 with kamvas 24 plus, resolution is way better the accuracy is ok but yeah its a bit off in the edges but very minimal i dont know if their new pen 3.0 plus would solve that but yeah i like it better than my cintiq 22
@@DOPIllustration it's not bad, I use it for both Android and Windows. But honestly, I think Android is more user friendly. You can use your cellphone as a touchpad to zoom, scroll, and rotate.
@@Paintable what do you do to work around this, is there a keyboard shortcut coupled with the pen that can move the canvas around, kind of like you did in the video? Do you find the keydial useful?
Display tablet> drawing pad Why? Bro you can use the display tablet like a drawing pad. Just set it up on the driver setting. This shouldn't be a question. It is just a matter of can you afford the display or not. Edit: if you need to consider touch function, then your list of choice going to get complicated a bit.
Do not buy from Huion, my kamvas pro 22 crapped out on me within less than 3 years, and I've used it even less than that, support was completely useless to the point that I was better able to identify problems than the minimum wage person reading a pdf about "most common basic problems", spend a little extra and just get a wacom, what I should've done back then...
Thanks for telling us absolutely nothing about the actual tablet other than " it's big ". Amazon has the 2.5K version on sale now for $809.00 CND. Before I pulled the trigger I wanted to see what other artists could tell me about the tech, the features, level of brightness, color saturation, ease of use, PC & Laptop compatibility, the pen and a handful of other important features. You know, the stuff that matters! Instead you wasted the first 2 minutes of a 6 and a half minute video going on about your OLD tablet! This video told me absolutely nothing of use. Next time you plan to title your video an " Honest Review ", try actually reviewing the item and providing your viewers with usable information to help them with their purchasing decisions?
Personally I don't think the 24" screen is huge. It's plenty for sure, but if you're an animator, it's a must to have that extra space for panels like the timeline and so on. I also hate drawing on an A4 size paper, it's easier and less stressful to control pen strokes on a larger canvas
My sentiments exactly... I'm considering the Kamvas 24 over the iPad 12.9
@@kiblinflinn8147 I have the M1 iPad Pro 12.9 and here's my experience:
Amazing pen and touch responsiveness. Perfect in apps like Procreate and Fresco. I have a Sketchboard Pro and a PaperLike (both are musts) and had no issues in the last 2 years of use.
Some PaperLike reviewers wore out their pencil tip but I slightly lowered the initial activation force in apps' settings, so I've never had that problem whatsoever. I've literally used one tip for like 5 months without any wear-down and only replace it occasionally just in case.
I would absolutely trade the iPad for a Cintiq Pro or Kamvas Pro. My favorite art/animation app CSP Ex is amazing with a PC and sucks to use on an iPad, on the account of the small screen and desktop oriented functionality. Plus on a PC there are apps like Adobe Animate and Toon Boom Harmony that wipe the floor with something like the new "Procreate Dreams" app.
Personally I can't go back to a no-touch tablet, so I have my sights set on the new Kamvas Pro 27 instead of Pro 24.
As a new person to art. I learned well on paper. Tablet has had a ridiculous learning curve that I could not get after months of practice. And I finally bought a Pen Display used. It hyper charged my learning. Having the ability to undo and experiment with different layers let me try different things that I couldnt on paper. And seeing the work in front of me was much easier than using a tablet.
I started on paper, tried to get used to tablet for probably a decade and a half. Never got used to it. Screentablet had a learning curve counted in seconds.
Screenless isn't for everyone.
@Paintable much like yourself, years ago I purchased a graphics tablet for use on a videogames degree, but I never felt it worked naturally compared to a pencil and paper. So this past year, I got the Huion Kamvas 24 Pro 4K and have been learning to use that, and I fully appreciate the change. Its large canvas also helps me with my Motor Dysgraphia.
I'm glad you mentioned posture because that was the first thing I noticed when you compared the two. I have a standup desk so maybe I can position myself better with the screen tablet.
I'm currently using Huion Kamvas 12 Pro. Yessss, I'm glad I ain't the only one suffering neck pain after working long hours on painting and designing with a graphic tablet.
Have you tried raising your tablet by putting it on a stand or an adjustable arm? It helps a ton with neck pain. 😀
@@Paintable Mine came with a stand that sit on flat surface. It has two turning rods. The short one goes between 20 - 40 degrees angle. The longer goes between 60 - 90 degrees angle. But still cause neck pain. :( I had to use it for 20-30 minutes then I take a break.
@@vuethao8980 Lower your chair for the time being and look into a mounted solution like a monitor arm.
Just one more thing on the pressure sensitivity: I have used several tablets with pressure sensitivity ranging from 1024 to 8194 levels of pressure, but I feel that it's importance is quite overrated. It might be noticible slightly, but the difference isn't that big, and older Wacom tablets with 2048 pressure levels are excellent. I highly recommend Intuos 5 tablets, which are basically an older version of the Intuos Pro, but you can buy them quite cheaply second hand and save yourself a lot of money. The quality is such that they will last very long.
After using a Screen Tablet for years the day to day grind just took too much out of my neck and shoulder. I had to switch back to an Intuos. However I went with a Large this time also I put it up on a tablet stand to give me a better angle while working. With the larger work area and it not being flat on the desk, it allows me to continue to use my arm and shoulder instead of just the wrist while working. Paired with a good BenQ monitor, it's hard to leave my current set up but I admit I miss the connection a screen tablet gives you.
I've had the smallest Wacom 1 for yeaarrss and now been researching on whether to finally buy a display tablet. But like you I think i'll get a bigger non display one and a good monitor instead. Cuz the neck and back pain just doesn't seem to be worth it. Guess I'll always just dream about that connection a screen tablet must offer...
Been using my pen display as pen tablet lately, I'm starting to miss how intuitive it is to draw on the screen but its for the best. Pen tablets save both my wallet and health on the long run so that's neat.
Also didn't know a stand for one could do that, will take it into consideration for sure!
I found the relative size of your tablet compared to your screen matters a lot. I used to draw on a 12" Mac Book G4 with an A5 Intuos tablet, which worked quite well. Using the same A5 tablet, with a 27" screen is much harder, as the pen movement gets magnified.
For me, the most significant disadvantage of a screen tablet is its ergonomics. I have problems with my spine and absolutely cannot tilt my head forward for a long time. I need to sit straight and have the screen at my eye level. It's pretty difficult to make a convenient setup with both screen tablet and monitor at eye level, especially if I don't want to change my vintage custom desk... :D
I use an adjustable arm for the tablet that I can position in a way so I barely have to tilt my head forward. It works super well 👌
@@Paintable where do you get the adjustable arm from?
@@peachdreams I got it on Amazon. If you search for "adjustable monitor arm" there are lots to choose from
true, I am about to switch to xppen new 16k pressure non screen tablet. It feels like you need more space for digital painting and a nice monitor to see everything.
i do 3d sculpting and I'm really dreaming to try it on screen tablet, though usual tablet is alright too. digital sculpting isn't as punishing as drawing anyway
I bought my first pen tablet about 5 years ago and im very happy with it and honestly I dont see the use of buying a screen tablet
It's good to have more options for the displays. I have a Wacom Cintiq 22HD at home and an XP-Pen at work. Both are good, but I like how the Cintiq pen work (the flip around motion to get to the eraser -- like a real pencil). It also does not need to charge the pen, like the XP-Pen does. But at a fraction of the cost, it is worth it.
I have been using a screenless Intuos tablet with touch for many years now, and I love it. Just like you said, I use it for everything, not just drawing. But sometimes I felt like a screentablet would improve my work, make it easier, which is why I have tried several of them over the years. I tried two smaller Wacom ones, but because of the small screen and the resolution this was too uncomfortable for me. It was quite stressful for my eyes to be this close to the screen, and the muddy resolution made it even worse. I also had the issue that it was too much strain on the neck sitting hunched over a tablet, so I sold them. A few months ago I felt the need to try a bigger screen tablet, this time a Huion Kamvas 22. I tried and really wanted to like it, but somehow I just could not feel comfortable. The screen is too big so my keyboard is in an awkward position to use shortcuts (which I rely on heavily). Not having touch also was a bummer, especially when I am used to an iPad. It was a good thing I tried it, but a screenless tablet works better for me.
Get a heavy duty full motion monitor arm for the pen display. It will make it a world of difference.
@@deanwilliams433 Please could you recommend something, I can't find what you mentioned and that would be perfect! :)
I had been using a Huion tablet for years. It worked well for me for a long time. But I recently borrowed my cousins wacom one display tablet and I instantly saw improvement in my art. I was so surprised by how much easier I was able to use it. Needless to say, I'll be getting my own display tablet once I have the funds
Im sorry but this reads like an ad. You art isnt gonna be better just by using a wacom, especially not the one
I have tried the ipads at the apple store. They do feel better and my drawings seem to flow easier. Not sure about a big display tablet. You are lucky to have a cousin with a display tablet to try.
Thank you, David! I love informative videos like this one😊
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Can I use for gaming to? 😅
amaizing!Thank you, David for video!
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consensus seems traditional tablet for sketching and screen plugged into an ips monitor for detal and color
You can use both types of tablets for everything, it depends much more on your budget than what kind of art you want to do with it.
The problem I have is my eyes are tired by these long hours of screen working. I fear that a display tablet may hurt my eyes. I started with a pen tablet (a Wacom), and I'm already "trained" to work looking to the screen, not my hand. So, methink that I will go pen tablet again, but this time a bigger pen tablet!! I think about the Wacom Intuos Pro Large. Yup.
This video was the last straw that pushed me into buying the tablet, thanks!
One question though, what is that monitor arm you're using with it? It looks nice!
You're going to love the tablet! The arm I'm using is called NB North Bayou Monitor Arm
@@Paintable thanks! Ended up getting the Amazon basics arm and it seems to be doing the job well 🤘 the tablet is amazing!
@@zlotowlosy Yay! Happy painting! 😊
I have a question. How did you use two tablets simultaneously on 5:04? I hear in every review that before installing driver for new tablet you need to delete the previous. Does it possible in mac os to use both tablets? Or you just used the screen tablet as a normal monitor in that case?
On Mac OS it is possible to have multiple drives installed and running at the same time without issues.
Thank you
But ... how does the quality and accuracy compare to wacom ...
it's not even close, but paid advertising is paid advertising, at least it support the creator.
The accuracy of Huion pen displays is great except near the edges of the screen. The quality seems about similar to Wacom. They both have their flaws and Wacom is not perfect either.
i replace my cintiq 22 with kamvas 24 plus, resolution is way better the accuracy is ok but yeah its a bit off in the edges but very minimal i dont know if their new pen 3.0 plus would solve that but yeah i like it better than my cintiq 22
Just ordered the 16" version, I was torn between the two, but 24 is too big for my desk
i have 16inch 2.5k its perfect!
How did it go for you?
@@DOPIllustration it's not bad, I use it for both Android and Windows. But honestly, I think Android is more user friendly. You can use your cellphone as a touchpad to zoom, scroll, and rotate.
Probably you could keep your monitor and add your screen tablet as a second cloned monitor and it will get you the best of both worlds😅
does this have touch?
It doesn't have touch.
@@Paintable what do you do to work around this, is there a keyboard shortcut coupled with the pen that can move the canvas around, kind of like you did in the video? Do you find the keydial useful?
@@peachdreams You don't need touch function, you can just move the canvas around with the move tool + stylus like you would with a mouse.
Display tablet> drawing pad
Why? Bro you can use the display tablet like a drawing pad. Just set it up on the driver setting. This shouldn't be a question. It is just a matter of can you afford the display or not.
Edit: if you need to consider touch function, then your list of choice going to get complicated a bit.
Do not buy from Huion, my kamvas pro 22 crapped out on me within less than 3 years, and I've used it even less than that, support was completely useless to the point that I was better able to identify problems than the minimum wage person reading a pdf about "most common basic problems", spend a little extra and just get a wacom, what I should've done back then...
Thanks for telling us absolutely nothing about the actual tablet other than " it's big ". Amazon has the 2.5K version on sale now for $809.00 CND. Before I pulled the trigger I wanted to see what other artists could tell me about the tech, the features, level of brightness, color saturation, ease of use, PC & Laptop compatibility, the pen and a handful of other important features. You know, the stuff that matters! Instead you wasted the first 2 minutes of a 6 and a half minute video going on about your OLD tablet! This video told me absolutely nothing of use. Next time you plan to title your video an " Honest Review ", try actually reviewing the item and providing your viewers with usable information to help them with their purchasing decisions?
I know this is late, but I recommend checking Teoh on Tech and The 7 pens, they do some nice reviews
How much company pay for that? Its trash, not good tablet