The foil moves forward in a longer and faster arc on the longer mast when the board nose lifts as you are pumping upward. Just like having longer kite lines makes a kite more powerful through the stroke with private "wind" plus the actual wind speed , this is similarly private foil speed plus board speed in effect creating a higher combined flow over the foils and more lift.
thanks bud. my friends and I have hotly debated this a lot, and it's nice to hear someone like you try them and break them down and get your thoughts. very cool, keep up the good vids!
I can’t wait til someone figured out a modular mast where you can buy one and add or remove sections depending what you want. Solid info! Showed the gear and then using it. So many reviews just show the gear and no real world usage.
Yeah basically less material in the water, less drag, more efficiency. About stability, you only have more stability on the longer mast when you have more mast on the water, if you have the same amount of mast inside of the water with the shorter mast and the longer mast, then ill say it would be more stable on the shorter one because its just stiffer due to its small size. Thanks for you video Oskar.
Cool video thx for that! I need to test the Armstrong foils with other size masts but only have the 795 and it seems perfect. Also been thinking of testing fuse sizes again. Haha the fresh water paddle up struggle is real! I also have fresh water for all my fresh water paddle up videos... Plus am a heavy weight 😅
I think the 795 mast is still the perfect size as an all around length, no need to change ;) This is the 6'3" 85L board. I am currently 72kg as well for context.
Super awesome video! I think it would be quite an interesting series to compare fuselage. and foil wing shapes and sizes. Back in the 70s, there was a company experimenting with flotation fuselages. Much lower pop-up and cruising speeds. A hybrid foil/SWATH design. Food for thought. G'day from Texas, mate!
What an excellent review! Oskar is a machine! The MA1750 is so much harder than the PNG1150 to paddle up! Feels doable though. Maybe a few more attempts might do it! These pro riders make this look so easy!!!! 🤣😂😆😝😭🤦♂️😎🤙 #nevergiveup
haha yes ma1750 definitely harder than axis png 1150 but a much glide /turning and less drag on the armie once up! Oh and I can paddle up the ma1750 and i am heavy at +90kg and defs not a pro ;)
@@Mickfoil1 I’m gonna keep trying. I tried for a year on the Armstrong HA foils unsuccessfully. Then the PNG1150 was the ticket. Now, I’m trying to get back on Armstrong. Was hoping the MA1750 would be easier. I am close! But, it’s closer to the HA foils than the 1150 as far as difficulty. 🤷♂️
Curious why there would be much difference between those two front foils. They are nearly identical in AR, size and span. Why would there be a significant difference to paddle up?
@@jcpetrey The thicker the foil the more low speed lift, lower stall speed, and more forgiving to large pitch changes, but more drag. The MA is thin. It’s a very technical foil at low speeds. Precise technique or it stalls on you. This makes paddle up harder. But, once up it’s faster, less drag, better glide, better turning, and breach recovery. It’s just not a beginner foil for learning to paddle up.
Good vid. Not sure about foils ‘lifting’ columns of water.They just lift against any force being applied downwards. Ie low pressure on top actually ‘sucks’ the foil upwards. High pressure underneath the foil pushes water down. Deeper masts would mean higher pressure water for the foil so higher drag and lift, helping a high aspect foil take off, combined with greater swing momentum in theory. A bigger foil would be much harder deeper down, because higher pressure water creates even more drag. And yeah fresh water has less pressure than salt water, ie less drag less lift.
Interesting comments.. however, a foil close to the surface is sending a curved flow over the top which ought to be visible as a shallow wave.water doesn’t stretch like air, so I theorise that the same curved flow happens when the foil is still deep, thus raising a ‘ ‘column’ all the way to the surface, though it would be less manifest by then, since a broader and shallower curve of disturbance would be created. Therefore I find that I’m in agreement with Oskar ( bless him), but this doesn’t invalidate your arguments either, since I’m simply trying to think it through too!
@@davidstewart9982 It’s good to think these things through… if you check out a CFD tool and diagram (if you run your own simulation, you can set the fluid density to different water densities/pressures, and even for non-compressible fluids like water) you will be able to get a visual representation of the low pressure region that is generated above the foil - ie water is not lifted above the foil - the low pressure will lift the foil. Closer to the surface, without the space to dissipate, the low pressure will actually create a dent in the water, as that surface water is sucked down towards the foil. If you think of the small high pressure ‘ram’ at the front of the foil generated by the leading edge of the foil at a positive angle of attack, then close to the surface this would push a certain amount of water upwards and forwards, which would then be sucked backwards into the larger low pressure region, generating a ‘standing’ wave at the surface (ie above the moving foil). The water would look as though it was flowing ‘downwards’ behind the angled foil top surface. Probably reduces drag and lift too, although I haven’t tested that - but there won’t be any columns anywhere - the high or low pressure regions will radiate outwards through the fluid in all directions, and circulate back to the prevailing pressure of the fluid, unless interrupted by a surface condition like the air/water interface. Don’t take my word for it though - just check out a CFD simulation pressure diagram, or run your own physical experiment using your hand as a foil (or holding a foil) skimming just below the surface of the water in a pool. If you want to push water upwards to the surface, then take a no velocity foil, with no angle of attack and push it upwards to the surface of the water - this maximum drag foil will the generate an upwelling of water at the surface, similar to the operation of a paddle. Anyway, we’re a long way from the intent of the video, which is less about fluid dynamics and more about Oskar’s expert opinion regarding the operation of these foils closer to the surface and how they feel. But if you really want to get into fluid dynamics, there are plenty of pressure diagrams available to look at on RUclips.
@@davidstewart9982 also if you’re not sick of thinking about it yet, another example would be a rounded boulder in a river, near but not piercing the surface of the flowing water, and the ‘dent’ behind it created by the low pressure, and the ‘bump’ ahead if it, created by the high pressure ram at the front, ie the bump flows down into the dent. Not very often a perfect foil shape, but the same concept at play. Basically creates the standing river waves that people can surf.
What about Mast/board connection ? Tuttle heel vs. Plate connection. I don't know if the difference in drag is really quantifiable. But I'm 100% sure that a plate connection has more drag because of the plate itself and because of the base mast thickness around the plate. I really believe that because of the benefit in drag and benefit in weight a Tuttle box is way more strong and light vs double US rails boxes. My point is that Tuttle box connection has strong advantages for DW or flat foiling.
I totally agree, I think tuttle would be a sleeker and lighter weight option. My biggest issue and I think why the industry doesn't use them anymore is more around the lack of adjustability for people to use different boards and brand foils. For me I just couldn't have a board where I can't change the mast position, and even the angle of the mast. I will regularly change my mast position depending on the conditions as well as the foil, and particularly between brands they just all ride in different positions. I also think the angle of the foil relative to the board is SO important and you really need to use baseplate shims to dial this in for the paddle up. Can you change the angle of the foil with a tuttle? I actually don't know. I think strength wise there are some really high quality board builders out there with some amazing tech that make them as strong, if not stronger than tuttle. Stuff like Armstrong using full length carbon strigners where the boxes are molded into the stinger to basically have the track part of a full one piece structure that is longer than the standing area of the board. I think it would be cool to test the two back to back though! Does anyone make new masts with both tuttle and plate?
Hey Oscar! I've been asking for years about the difference in foils for fresh vs salt water. As a great lakes waterman it would be rad to do a deep dive into that somehow! Us freshies could use some accurate info if the differnce is so big. Love these informative type of vids! Thx
Hi Greg, ill chip in my 2 cents on that one.. there is typically a 3% difference in density between pure fresh and salt water ignoring the dead sea and similar locations . So you have that to add to your lift equation but also your drag in the ocean. So id expect more initial lift at low speeds in sea but perhaps a top end aprox 1kmph ? slower when pumping in sea water . You would get cavitation slightly sooner in fresh if wing foiling (at lower top speeds) but not by much . If you were racing it would be important but otherwise it shouldn't be a significant factor just a nice bonus.
Is that the 85L or 96L board? My first paddle up on my 85L in bumps was with a v1 60cm with hand paddles. Switched to SUP and couldn’t maintain enough balance, so you are spot on about the stability factor. 😅
Great video! Anyone have any tips on mast position for flat water pumping a downwind board? Got into dock starting last summer and want to give flat water paddling a go. SUP surf on a 93l Laird Surrator. Thinking about getting the 2024 Armstrong DW 7.2 96l. Pair that with my APF1675/pump 202.
Hi mate. I always tune my mast position so that I am standing in the same position when paddling the board, and when pumping on foil. That way when you transition from paddling to onfoil you don't need to move you're feet around and it makes the transition much easier.
@@OskarJohansson1, thank you so much for the response. That info is super helpful. Would you have any thoughts on the best board size? Like I said originally, I’m looking at the 2024 96l DW Armstrong. I’m 178cm and ~62kgs. The majority of experience is SUP surfing. Is there any advantage to going slightly bigger to the 106l? Or would you say the 96l will give me the best chance? Thank you again.
The true Aussie outback 🤣 No this was just on a friends property. Water is not very appealing but its flat and no current to deal with so I thought it was a good test location. Plus I can park right next to the dock and setup :)
100% I have always ridden the 865 for Prone/Downwind/Winging/Towing and this was a good test to justify why its the only mast I need for flat water starts too haha
That is actually someting I have tested quite a lot. It really comes down to the board you are using (its rocker specifically) and the foil you are using. If you add shim to the front of the mast you are effectively reducing the angle of attack of the front wing. For a slow foil with a very low stall speed you want to increase the angle of attack so that you can get it up early and onto foil, but with fast high aspect wings high high stall speeds, if that angle of attack is too high then the foil will lift early using that angle, but will stall straightaway when trying to get on foil as the board speed is just too low for the foil to engage. With those foils you want to reduce the angle of attack so that you can keep your board speed high and then use the foils lift (rather than angle) to get up up on foil. This way it won't keep stalling and nose diving.
You also need to be careful as if you reduce the angle of attack too much then the angle of attack will effectively suck the board back down as the angle of attack will be negative and then it becomes really difficult to get it up.
Depends on your conditions, experience and ability. Anyone trying to SUP DW I assume is an intermediate to advanced rider, I would say you want a board that is 130L at least, a large foil with a really good bottom end like the APF1675 or even APF1880 if you are in enclosed water DW conditions and not in the ocean. A standard length mast around 795mm, 60 fuse, and a large tail like the 220 Glide, 235 flow, or 202 pump :)
was wondering what lengths you prefer for riding very small waves 1-2ft, i would guess 65-75 since it seems like the shorter is easy to pump out to the back, or does that also depend on what kind of wing you are running? For me, i really like the 75axis with the 1300 and to a lesser degree 1010 , crazyshort for flatwater pump, wakes, and starting to surf small waves with it.
To ben honest I never ride less than the 725. It is really fun in the small waves as it turns so quick compared to the longer masts and exactly as you said it pumps easier. I still like the 795 as my go to though, the happy medium.
So good mate thanks for doing this video. I have the 795, 107L DW 7'2 and the MA1750 - took it out in very flat conditions and got up with just some very small swell. Super stoked on the MA1750 for such a big wing. Had the mast at position but was thinking to move forward and now that you said 11 on yours...am going to see how that balances out as was having a little trouble to keep on pumping with now paddle assistance. Would you do the same with mast on a longer board also like the 7'2? You don't do any special balancing like some guys do to make sure back and front is balanced? I was also wondering about fuse...had the 60 but want test 70 and 50 to see if there is any difference....so will give them a crack also.
balance your MA1750 roughly at around 50% of the chord of the front wing. It works well for me, on my 7'2 Armie its about at position 1or 2 if i remember
@@Mickfoil1 I would have thought that is too far back but seeing how you can pump on the 7’2 am keen to try. I have been playing with positions 7, 8 & 9. Was totally sold on any yet but thought 9 might have been better. I still felt like I could really pump that great without paddle assistance. So will try that. For the MA 1255 are you that far back also…I know it might change a bit with chord. I actually thought mine did balance up okay so am going back to retest further back. Thanks again for your feedback.
If you are feeling good that far forward then go for it and use it :) also depends on your tail shim. I am not shimming my tails so angle of attack is 1.5 degrees
Catching waves, 100 percent the shorter mast. Flat water, I see the benefit of the long mast. I'm still not convinced the longer mast adds a significant amount of drag, I think it adds LAG. In other words, the shorter master is much more responsive making it feel less draggy. Get yourself a fosters after that flatwater marathon m8
Interesting stuff, thanks for sacrificing your shoulders in the name of foil science
Oh mate the shoulders still haven't recovered 😅
The foil moves forward in a longer and faster arc on the longer mast when the board nose lifts as you are pumping upward. Just like having longer kite lines makes a kite more powerful through the stroke with private "wind" plus the actual wind speed , this is similarly private foil speed plus board speed in effect creating a higher combined flow over the foils and more lift.
I like that analogy.
Wow yeah thats a great way to look at it. Makes sense!
Amazing work here in this video. Congrats, Oskar. Thank you for valuable information.
Stoked to hear mate!
Thanks heaps Oskar. Really needed the ruminations!
thanks bud. my friends and I have hotly debated this a lot, and it's nice to hear someone like you try them and break them down and get your thoughts. very cool, keep up the good vids!
HAHA this is exactly why I deciedd to do this video... the never ending foil debates with mates is what its all about
Thanks for sharing, have been trying with the old 2400 for awhile now. Still struggling but one day.... Great to hear your input!
Thanks Oskar, great work on the water and great analysis thinking through the issues for us!
Another great one! Thanks for putting the effort in on this one 😊 Will - SUPboarder
Thanks for the "Start Up" info. Love your work.
Anytime mate! Hope you're well
I can’t wait til someone figured out a modular mast where you can buy one and add or remove sections depending what you want.
Solid info! Showed the gear and then using it. So many reviews just show the gear and no real world usage.
OHHH Now we are talking!!!
Great work you put into that test! And a great challenge also not to drop any screws on the dock (and in the water) 😅
Yeah basically less material in the water, less drag, more efficiency. About stability, you only have more stability on the longer mast when you have more mast on the water, if you have the same amount of mast inside of the water with the shorter mast and the longer mast, then ill say it would be more stable on the shorter one because its just stiffer due to its small size. Thanks for you video Oskar.
Great video! Thank you.
Stoked you liked it!
Awesome video. Thanks !
Hope to see even more videos like this, Learning a lot from you.
Will do, keen to explore more variables now!
Cool video thx for that! I need to test the Armstrong foils with other size masts but only have the 795 and it seems perfect. Also been thinking of testing fuse sizes again. Haha the fresh water paddle up struggle is real! I also have fresh water for all my fresh water paddle up videos... Plus am a heavy weight 😅
Ps : which size armie dw board is that?
I think the 795 mast is still the perfect size as an all around length, no need to change ;)
This is the 6'3" 85L board. I am currently 72kg as well for context.
Great video with lots of good insights. I’ll be shifting from the Axis 75 to the 82 with the ART series and let you know how it goes.
Oh stoked to hear, keep us posted how you go. Curious to hear the results!
Great video Oskar, I loved the scientific approach and the well reasoned analysis. Totally made sense!
Super awesome video! I think it would be quite an interesting series to compare fuselage. and foil wing shapes and sizes. Back in the 70s, there was a company experimenting with flotation fuselages. Much lower pop-up and cruising speeds. A hybrid foil/SWATH design. Food for thought. G'day from Texas, mate!
What an excellent review! Oskar is a machine! The MA1750 is so much harder than the PNG1150 to paddle up! Feels doable though. Maybe a few more attempts might do it! These pro riders make this look so easy!!!! 🤣😂😆😝😭🤦♂️😎🤙 #nevergiveup
haha yes ma1750 definitely harder than axis png 1150 but a much glide /turning and less drag on the armie once up! Oh and I can paddle up the ma1750 and i am heavy at +90kg and defs not a pro ;)
@@Mickfoil1 I’m gonna keep trying. I tried for a year on the Armstrong HA foils unsuccessfully. Then the PNG1150 was the ticket. Now, I’m trying to get back on Armstrong. Was hoping the MA1750 would be easier. I am close! But, it’s closer to the HA foils than the 1150 as far as difficulty. 🤷♂️
Curious why there would be much difference between those two front foils. They are nearly identical in AR, size and span. Why would there be a significant difference to paddle up?
@jcpetrey completely different foil sections and profile and ma1750 much thinner. Area and AR is not important on its own to compare foils.
@@jcpetrey The thicker the foil the more low speed lift, lower stall speed, and more forgiving to large pitch changes, but more drag. The MA is thin. It’s a very technical foil at low speeds. Precise technique or it stalls on you. This makes paddle up harder. But, once up it’s faster, less drag, better glide, better turning, and breach recovery. It’s just not a beginner foil for learning to paddle up.
Solid information
Good vid. Not sure about foils ‘lifting’ columns of water.They just lift against any force being applied downwards. Ie low pressure on top actually ‘sucks’ the foil upwards. High pressure underneath the foil pushes water down.
Deeper masts would mean higher pressure water for the foil so higher drag and lift, helping a high aspect foil take off, combined with greater swing momentum in theory. A bigger foil would be much harder deeper down, because higher pressure water creates even more drag. And yeah fresh water has less pressure than salt water, ie less drag less lift.
Interesting comments.. however, a foil close to the surface is sending a curved flow over the top which ought to be visible as a shallow wave.water doesn’t stretch like air, so I theorise that the same curved flow happens when the foil is still deep, thus raising a ‘ ‘column’ all the way to the surface, though it would be less manifest by then, since a broader and shallower curve of disturbance would be created. Therefore I find that I’m in agreement with Oskar ( bless him), but this doesn’t invalidate your arguments either, since I’m simply trying to think it through too!
@@davidstewart9982 It’s good to think these things through… if you check out a CFD tool and diagram (if you run your own simulation, you can set the fluid density to different water densities/pressures, and even for non-compressible fluids like water) you will be able to get a visual representation of the low pressure region that is generated above the foil - ie water is not lifted above the foil - the low pressure will lift the foil. Closer to the surface, without the space to dissipate, the low pressure will actually create a dent in the water, as that surface water is sucked down towards the foil. If you think of the small high pressure ‘ram’ at the front of the foil generated by the leading edge of the foil at a positive angle of attack, then close to the surface this would push a certain amount of water upwards and forwards, which would then be sucked backwards into the larger low pressure region, generating a ‘standing’ wave at the surface (ie above the moving foil). The water would look as though it was flowing ‘downwards’ behind the angled foil top surface. Probably reduces drag and lift too, although I haven’t tested that - but there won’t be any columns anywhere - the high or low pressure regions will radiate outwards through the fluid in all directions, and circulate back to the prevailing pressure of the fluid, unless interrupted by a surface condition like the air/water interface. Don’t take my word for it though - just check out a CFD simulation pressure diagram, or run your own physical experiment using your hand as a foil (or holding a foil) skimming just below the surface of the water in a pool. If you want to push water upwards to the surface, then take a no velocity foil, with no angle of attack and push it upwards to the surface of the water - this maximum drag foil will the generate an upwelling of water at the surface, similar to the operation of a paddle. Anyway, we’re a long way from the intent of the video, which is less about fluid dynamics and more about Oskar’s expert opinion regarding the operation of these foils closer to the surface and how they feel. But if you really want to get into fluid dynamics, there are plenty of pressure diagrams available to look at on RUclips.
@@seanparker571 fantastic thanks Sean!
@@davidstewart9982 also if you’re not sick of thinking about it yet, another example would be a rounded boulder in a river, near but not piercing the surface of the flowing water, and the ‘dent’ behind it created by the low pressure, and the ‘bump’ ahead if it, created by the high pressure ram at the front, ie the bump flows down into the dent. Not very often a perfect foil shape, but the same concept at play. Basically creates the standing river waves that people can surf.
What about Mast/board connection ?
Tuttle heel vs. Plate connection.
I don't know if the difference in drag is really quantifiable.
But I'm 100% sure that a plate connection has more drag because of the plate itself and because of the base mast thickness around the plate.
I really believe that because of the benefit in drag and benefit in weight a Tuttle box is way more strong and light vs double US rails boxes.
My point is that Tuttle box connection has strong advantages for DW or flat foiling.
I totally agree, I think tuttle would be a sleeker and lighter weight option. My biggest issue and I think why the industry doesn't use them anymore is more around the lack of adjustability for people to use different boards and brand foils. For me I just couldn't have a board where I can't change the mast position, and even the angle of the mast. I will regularly change my mast position depending on the conditions as well as the foil, and particularly between brands they just all ride in different positions. I also think the angle of the foil relative to the board is SO important and you really need to use baseplate shims to dial this in for the paddle up. Can you change the angle of the foil with a tuttle? I actually don't know.
I think strength wise there are some really high quality board builders out there with some amazing tech that make them as strong, if not stronger than tuttle. Stuff like Armstrong using full length carbon strigners where the boxes are molded into the stinger to basically have the track part of a full one piece structure that is longer than the standing area of the board.
I think it would be cool to test the two back to back though! Does anyone make new masts with both tuttle and plate?
Nice one Oskar, nailed the insights!
Awesome vid, thanks for doing them.
Hey Oscar! I've been asking for years about the difference in foils for fresh vs salt water. As a great lakes waterman it would be rad to do a deep dive into that somehow! Us freshies could use some accurate info if the differnce is so big. Love these informative type of vids! Thx
Hi Greg, ill chip in my 2 cents on that one.. there is typically a 3% difference in density between pure fresh and salt water ignoring the dead sea and similar locations . So you have that to add to your lift equation but also your drag in the ocean. So id expect more initial lift at low speeds in sea but perhaps a top end aprox 1kmph ? slower when pumping in sea water . You would get cavitation slightly sooner in fresh if wing foiling (at lower top speeds) but not by much . If you were racing it would be important but otherwise it shouldn't be a significant factor just a nice bonus.
@@CarkeekW That 3% doesn’t sound much but is huge, given the low thrust provided by human power.
@@seanparker571 If oscar felt it, it must be true.
Is that the 85L or 96L board? My first paddle up on my 85L in bumps was with a v1 60cm with hand paddles. Switched to SUP and couldn’t maintain enough balance, so you are spot on about the stability factor. 😅
This is the 85L board. It is amazing how much of a difference the mast length makes!
Great video! Anyone have any tips on mast position for flat water pumping a downwind board? Got into dock starting last summer and want to give flat water paddling a go. SUP surf on a 93l Laird Surrator. Thinking about getting the 2024 Armstrong DW 7.2 96l. Pair that with my APF1675/pump 202.
Hi mate. I always tune my mast position so that I am standing in the same position when paddling the board, and when pumping on foil. That way when you transition from paddling to onfoil you don't need to move you're feet around and it makes the transition much easier.
@@OskarJohansson1, thank you so much for the response. That info is super helpful. Would you have any thoughts on the best board size? Like I said originally, I’m looking at the 2024 96l DW Armstrong. I’m 178cm and ~62kgs. The majority of experience is SUP surfing. Is there any advantage to going slightly bigger to the 106l? Or would you say the 96l will give me the best chance?
Thank you again.
Geez Oskar, where are you?? I keep thinking that looks like croc infested water...
The true Aussie outback 🤣
No this was just on a friends property. Water is not very appealing but its flat and no current to deal with so I thought it was a good test location. Plus I can park right next to the dock and setup :)
I live in Florida. That place just screams alligator!
@@aquilesmasdmd ...and in WA its saltwater cocs, so much worse!!
Sure, a short mast is great if you’re rich and can afford many masts but otherwise a long mast is the only option if you have a limited budget
100% I have always ridden the 865 for Prone/Downwind/Winging/Towing and this was a good test to justify why its the only mast I need for flat water starts too haha
Such a helpful video. Cheeeers
Thank u super helpful
How about testing mast rake next ? Get some mast shims.
That is actually someting I have tested quite a lot. It really comes down to the board you are using (its rocker specifically) and the foil you are using. If you add shim to the front of the mast you are effectively reducing the angle of attack of the front wing. For a slow foil with a very low stall speed you want to increase the angle of attack so that you can get it up early and onto foil, but with fast high aspect wings high high stall speeds, if that angle of attack is too high then the foil will lift early using that angle, but will stall straightaway when trying to get on foil as the board speed is just too low for the foil to engage. With those foils you want to reduce the angle of attack so that you can keep your board speed high and then use the foils lift (rather than angle) to get up up on foil. This way it won't keep stalling and nose diving.
You also need to be careful as if you reduce the angle of attack too much then the angle of attack will effectively suck the board back down as the angle of attack will be negative and then it becomes really difficult to get it up.
What configuration for DW SUP Foil would you recommend for a 100kg beginner rider?)
Depends on your conditions, experience and ability. Anyone trying to SUP DW I assume is an intermediate to advanced rider, I would say you want a board that is 130L at least, a large foil with a really good bottom end like the APF1675 or even APF1880 if you are in enclosed water DW conditions and not in the ocean. A standard length mast around 795mm, 60 fuse, and a large tail like the 220 Glide, 235 flow, or 202 pump :)
Would a short mast be good if doing a lot of stop/starts and long mast better when doing a long uninterrupted downwind run
was wondering what lengths you prefer for riding very small waves 1-2ft, i would guess 65-75 since it seems like the shorter is easy to pump out to the back, or does that also depend on what kind of wing you are running? For me, i really like the 75axis with the 1300 and to a lesser degree 1010 , crazyshort for flatwater pump, wakes, and starting to surf small waves with it.
To ben honest I never ride less than the 725. It is really fun in the small waves as it turns so quick compared to the longer masts and exactly as you said it pumps easier. I still like the 795 as my go to though, the happy medium.
@@OskarJohansson1 agreed!:) The 725 armie is equal to roughly the 75cm axis and i wouldn't go smaller than that either!
Would appreciate your thoughts about the Glide 220 tail foil. What uses and conditions is it best suited for?
So good mate thanks for doing this video. I have the 795, 107L DW 7'2 and the MA1750 - took it out in very flat conditions and got up with just some very small swell. Super stoked on the MA1750 for such a big wing. Had the mast at position but was thinking to move forward and now that you said 11 on yours...am going to see how that balances out as was having a little trouble to keep on pumping with now paddle assistance.
Would you do the same with mast on a longer board also like the 7'2? You don't do any special balancing like some guys do to make sure back and front is balanced?
I was also wondering about fuse...had the 60 but want test 70 and 50 to see if there is any difference....so will give them a crack also.
balance your MA1750 roughly at around 50% of the chord of the front wing. It works well for me, on my 7'2 Armie its about at position 1or 2 if i remember
@@Mickfoil1 I would have thought that is too far back but seeing how you can pump on the 7’2 am keen to try. I have been playing with positions 7, 8 & 9. Was totally sold on any yet but thought 9 might have been better. I still felt like I could really pump that great without paddle assistance. So will try that. For the MA 1255 are you that far back also…I know it might change a bit with chord.
I actually thought mine did balance up okay so am going back to retest further back.
Thanks again for your feedback.
@@Davidfoiler 1225 for me is around at 3 or 4... :)
Also don't forget it's also about your feet position. Stand 50/50 over the balance point of the col/cog!
If you are feeling good that far forward then go for it and use it :) also depends on your tail shim. I am not shimming my tails so angle of attack is 1.5 degrees
Great vid
Superficie video
Catching waves, 100 percent the shorter mast. Flat water, I see the benefit of the long mast. I'm still not convinced the longer mast adds a significant amount of drag, I think it adds LAG. In other words, the shorter master is much more responsive making it feel less draggy. Get yourself a fosters after that flatwater marathon m8
Brilliant