@@sawyertuide7636 Baseball's been a shit show for some time and now it's Woke. It's dead to me and I was a die hard Mets fan, so you know I must have been dedicated. LOL!
@@sawyertuide7636 Im just getting back into baseball, can you give me a quick elevator speech on why 2020 was such a shitshow? Ive just been getting back into baseball for the last 7(ish) months and now I'm finding out there might not be a 2022 season? I need to get caught up big time.
Let's pay Josh Donaldson 20 plus million per and not make Eddie Rosario a serious offer and watch him key an epic world series run...the disgust is real
Baseball's problem is getting kids and adults to actually watch baseball in person or on TV. Baseball isn't the cultural icon it used to be and no one in today's MLB is as famous as Mickey Mantle was in his prime. Sure, people our age may go to a ballpark 1-2 times a year to take their Instagram photo with a hot dog and a beer, but when following a team like the Angels/Dodgers requires a pricey cable package, most people just aren't going to care. People might go to the ballpark once a year but teams want people to attend or watch games far more often. Not only that, but it's just not as entertaining as it used to be, because they've taken some of the physicality out of the game. Baseball, entertainment-wise, isn't that good of a sport and I say this as a life-long baseball fan who loves baseball. The fact is that games go on too long, the amount of action or time during the game where the teams are actually playing is minimal, the rules are extremely complex and nuanced, and the big moments homeruns, plays at the plate, are infrequent and often don't happen during games. MLB has plenty of issues it needs to fix including game length, playoff games being too late and marketing their stats. There's just so many alternative entertainment options -people pay less attention over the course of a six month season. It's good that people still like to play Baseball/softball, but MLB is on it's way to becoming culturally irrelevant. You can ALWAYS do more to attract new fans. Baseball fans need to stop getting offended when someone points out baseball could do more.
Completely agree need a shortened season where the games are more meaningful. Spring training should be part of the season and should be done before people can think about football
I think the hurry up rules could help. Kids have no attention spans these days. They complain about movies longer than 90 minutes. Also juice the balls again, fans love a HR.
The length of the game is alright by me, I am always on the go-go-go so when I sit down for a game, any game, I do like to savor it like a juicy steak. As a life long Braves fan I am more upset that I pay 65 a month for a streaming service that bally sports refuses to re-sign a contract with, so now I cant watch any games.
Everyone in this mini thread sucks and aren't true baseball fans... Go watch basketball if you want a 'fast' game.. go watch football if you want a short season. In a world of fan service, y'all should just go watch the MCU.
On the optimistic side, most similar labor disputes in baseball history have ended with the owners realizing they can’t make money without the players, and concede to the MLBPA
I want to ask how does 14 teams works that 7 teams per division a odd number if they play against each other without separating that 7 teams left a odd number just like the 7 per each team being odd so how would this work
Would love to see baseball have less season games and more playoff games. It would mean less wear and tear on the players during the season, more revenue for owners, and incentives for players in the playoffs. 16 teams, 8 aside, best of seven. This would solve a lot of profit and spending issues. Not to mention it would generate more interest because more teams make it in. Like the NHL and NBA (salary cap leagues).
That’s half of the MLB. If they do that, then the wildcard needs to be more than one game. A team can miss out based on one player having a mid game injury or off night.
this will never happen bc the bulk of revenue comes from tv ads. more games =bigger ad contracts/revenue. regardless of how compelling or meaningful the season is.
100 game season. Each team plays 50 on friday/Saturday and 50 tue/wed with of course 50 being at home and 50 away. 30 week season including playoffs, all star game. Less games, shorter season equals more interest because each game is more important. Standardized tue/wed/fri/sat schedules help fans keep up and tv stations schedule better. Also, drop the game to 7 innings to speed it up. That way you have One starter and one closer most of the time and the game is quicker (2.5hrs). Who cares about the old records and comparing stats from times gone by. People would go to games on weekends or watch on tv if it was shorter and weekday tickets could be cheaper. Probably would sell more tickets in a 100 games than 162 that way. Shorter season, smaller contracts, more interest, fuller stadiums, everyone wins.
Thing is Manfred represents the owners which means the owners are probably just as bad. You get rid of Manfred they’ll just get a guy who acts the same way as him. Remember the owners are writing his paycheck
Exactly. The last four or five commissioners all come from the same tree and were just close friends of the commissioner that came before them. The slimier the better too especially Selig and Manfred. They especially suck!
I hate this commissioner more than I hated tge former commissioner. Manfred is killing the & he is listening to these fans that not really fans. I agree no pitch clock,but yes to a draft lottery.
@@demonkingbadger6689 He certainly could’ve been the one to take us off this timeline we are in now. I think his heart attack showed us that he stressed over things with more empathy than the slime we would get after his far too short run as commissioner.
For me, as an avid baseball fan my whole life, I stopped caring about the regular season for the most part aside from occasionally checking up on how my teams performing, and skip to the playoffs. Football really nailed how to engage the fans with nail biting seasons and meaningful games that make it worth watching.
These days, I only watch my team's games until VERY close to the end of the season when scoreboard watching becomes necessary. And even then, I don't pay much attention until all the other sports are done.
The effort and research that goes into your videos is much appreciated my guy. Your solution to the players and owners wants sounds like a pretty good compromise to me. The only thing I really hope doesn't happen is the pitch timer. Baseball is a long and meticulous game and that's why we love it so much, imo a timer would change the fundamentals of the game too much.
Nah, MLB is losing viewership year over year while salaries and expenses increase. Pitch clock is great. IMO - They need to do MORE to compete for eyeballs these days.
@@VeriStrawberi people who don’t like baseball, don’t like baseball. A pitch clock isn’t gong to make them suddenly like baseball...because guess what? THEY DON’T LIKE BASEBALL. How about we stop catering to and pursuing people who “just aren’t that into” us? I mean, really - who do we think we are? The GOP (to blacks)?
Careful now, baseball never had a glowing ball. Bettman is a piece of shit and the poster child for term limits on commissioners. Fans hate him, players hate him, the only people that even tolerate his weeniness are accountants. Rob Manfred is unpopular but he doesn't get booed the way Bettman has been booed at every Stanley Cup Final for well over a decade.
It's almost a relief to hear this - it will save me the frustration of watching my team fall short yet again, and give me an excuse to stay away and pursue other interests. Both sides take the fans for granted.
The thought of taking away luxury tax and having no kind of salary floor means that the disparity you already see in the game is only going to get more 1-sided between the teams with owners that actually spend and owners that put together barebones operations like John Fischer of the A's.
Players don't think about that or the fans of that organization that get hurt by this. All they care about is getting theirs. The top players don't really care about the bottom players either tbh. If they did, they would have Tony Clark fight more for those players instead of the 1%.
@@walker1984 The disparity is not a problem with the players. It is the owners fault. If the owner does not want to pay for a competitive team, then that has nothing to do with the players. If the owner wanted to promote his team, pay for stars, and market all of that, there is no issue. It is owners who don't care about the team but just want to say they own a team, that is the problem.
@@the_algorithm Without a cap there are too many teams that simply can't afford to compete. Owners have to choose between going broke hoping to get lucky or manage the team for profit. There needs to be a floor and cap. Without a floor there are owners that won't field a competitive team and without a cap there are owners that will vastly outspend others. At least half the teams are basically a minor league system for the big market, big spenders. This is a big reason why fans are checking out and not watching once you get outside of places like the northeast corridor and California.
@@kamX-rz4uy the level of parity isn't the reason fans are checking out otherwise The NBA which since 2000 has had 5 repeat Champions while the MLB Hasn't had 1 repeat champ since 2000. The Reason people aren't paying attention to baseball is because baseball is too slow paced for people.
Nobody is going to cry for players making "less than a million dollars a year." They need to unionize the minor leaguers and negotiate to treat them fairly. That is the sympathetic group and the biggest fear of the owners. That would require the MLB players to support minor leaguers when it doesn't help them. But that's the right thing to do and there is some recent history of unions doing exactly that. Most minor leaguers never make it to the majors. They spend their prime years making nothing and learning nothing and then retire young, broke, and with no prospects for future work.
The MLBPA is the strongest sports player Union for a reason, and making common cause with the minors would only further cement that fact-I’m surprise they haven’t realized this and done so before…
@@aaronsanborn4291 are you sure about that? The average salary for a player in triple a minor leagues is $15,000…. The teams don’t provide housing or anything like that. So you’re left to pay for an apartment on that small salary. I make more then a AAA baseball player and make $18/hr…
@@aaronsanborn4291 obviously if you’re good enough you can get sponsors and everything but the majority of minor leaguers aren’t. They don’t make enough money.
@@aaronsanborn4291 no they don't what are you talking about. They literally make less than 20k a year and they have to have roommates just to afford rent
I remember when it seemed like the NFL was headed for a lockout ahead of their very recent CBA, and then they reached an agreement without incident. Anyway, what I learned from that is don't try to predict this sort of gridlock with too much confidence ahead of time.
If baseball wants people to return to stadiums, listen to radio broadcasts, and follow teams daily (as we did as kids and young adults), put all TV games on free antenna broadcasts, and slash ticket prices in the traditional "cheap seats". Fans will return in droves and those who earn higher incomes will pay more money for good seats.
MLB don't care about you. The MLBPA doesnt care about you. A good minority don't even care about or even LIKE baseball lol As they say, a new sucker is born every minute.
Just found this video and loved it! It really is sad that a game that started for the passion and the fun has turned to money and greed. I always think about Field of Dreams when I'm watching a game. When Ray Liotta plays Shoeless Joe Jackson and the expression he made when he got to play on the field in the corn again... that's true passion for the game.
I used to be a die-hard fan and had amazing coaching growing up. I’ve completely checked out the last 4-5 years because the game is so analytical. The shift absolutely sucks and it’s just an algorithm with little human decision making. No soul and no smallball is bad for the future.
@@tommyfu9271 Yeah, b/c this analytics b.s. where everyone walks up to the plate to either K, walk or hit a homerun is just SOOOO exciting! In fact, it's so exciting that a mediocre Sunday night NFL game in the middle of the regular season between 2 small market teams will destroy a crucial WS game in the ratings. It's so exciting that while NFL and NBA players are some of the most well-known celebrities in the country or even the world, most Americans wouldn't know the best players in MLB if they tripped over them in the street. I hope you enjoy baseball's cultural irrelevance
@@Musicvidsetc the NBA is hot garbage 95 percent of the time.Regular season nba is more boring and almost as meaningless as exibition baseball.Elite high level basketball between the 3-4 teams that actually have a real chance to win the championship each year is great. Why aren't you complaining about analytics in basketball? The NBA is completely different than 20 years ago because of analytics. I actually think analytics has gone a little overboard (basically it thinks humans are robots when they aren't) but they make a lot more sense than people quiting old school stats that are absolute fucking nonsense like win loss record or batting average.This stats were not deemed important bc someone actually analyzed what the meant,it was merely easy to report them in newspapers in the 1800s so that's what people went with. Do I like seeing guys strike out all the time? No. And I think analytics is wrong thinking strikeouts don't matter at all for hitters (while stressing their importance for pitchers) but old school guys also think they matter way more than they do. Old school guys also love dumb shit like "small ball" which generally means doing idiotic things like sac bunting a man from first base to second base which even if successful is almost always reducing your teams chances of winning a game unless the pitcher was batting. Call the shift an algorithm if you want but it makes perfect sense.If you think baseball should outlaw it fine,but it's smart.Teams should position their defense where guys are most likely to hit the ball.What makes zero sense is that for over 100 years teams basically played everyone like they were Tony Gwynn. While we have way more data than ever before to be way more precise than was possible even 10 years ago,there was NEVER any logical reason to position your defense symetrically across the field unless the batter happened to hit equally to all fields which very few players do.That "human decision making" was lazy and moronic.Humans were wrong for over 100 years.Just like humans were wrong for a long time in the NBA for not realizing how valuable 3 pointers are and how shitty of a shot long 2s are.Your preference is more bad human decision making over doing what's correct? You're right the NFL will always draw better than baseball. It's a once a week sport that's heavily gambled on. There are many things I think are wrong with baseball-the pussification of starting pitching makes me sick.While analytics do say pitchers generally are significantly worse the third time through the other this has never been the case for elite pitchers ever including now.There is no reason for legit aces to be treated like regular pitchers. There is way too much down time because of mid inning pitching changes. I am one of the few people who likes the 3 batter rule.Id actually like to see it extended even further. I also will never understand why baseball gives relievers 8 warm up pitchers on the mound.Its absurd you have a bullpen so use it.Evedy pitching change takes 4-5 minutes from the last pitcher the prior pitcher through to the first pitch the reliever throws.If every time an NBA player subbed into a game the crowd had to wait a few minutes to warm up it would be unwatchable.I wish baseball would do something about this.
@@tommyfu9271 WOW! A lot to unpack there. OK, in terms of the NBA, I totally agree with you. I haven’t even watched a full NBA game in years. It’s boring and it’s no longer a contact sport. I recently saw a playoff game from back in the day in which Dennis Rodman, who was on the Spurs at the time, was guarding Karl Malone. There was more physicality between those 2 men in 1 game then there has been in the entire NBA for the last 5 years. Later, you mention concentrating on shooting 3’s. Ok, well, first, outside of a few guys like Bird, that’s where today’s NBA player has an advantage b/c yesterday’s players didn’t concentrate on that aspect of the game. Doesn’t make sense to shoot 3’s if you can’t make them. Speaking of which, kind of like baseball, this has gone overboard w/ 7’ centers and power forwards pulling up and shooting them. That leads us to something similar in baseball. You mention Tony Gwynn: Gwynn hit like that b/c that was the best way for him to successfully get on base. Not everyone is a HR hitter. Some guys must slap the ball around, steal bases, etc. in order to create some offense. It was understood that there were different kinds of hitters. Now everyone comes up to the plate like they’re Dave-fucking-Kingman and tries to either K/BB/HR. That approach makes even the good HR hitters boring b/c EVERYONE has the same approach. Ok, so that’s a good segue to the shift. I understand it’s the smart thing to do and I don’t think it should be banned. What should be banned are hitters who don’t adjust and keep swinging away into the shift. Say what you want about pre-analytics baseball, but those guys would’ve immediately adjusted. Especially, on these ridiculous over-shifts they would’ve just bunted the ball down the baseline and taken the automatic base. Now, analytics people would whine about that, yet they’re ok w/ walking all the time. What’s the difference? In both cases the hitter is being given a base. And by bunting (or adjusting your approach to hitting) you force the other team to stop shifting and you’re back to traditional baseball. I totally agree w/ you about the pussification of starting pitching and relief pitchers wasting time. I don’t know about the 3-hitter rule but I do know that the way managers use relief pitching has gone backwards in some way. This over-specialization and how certain guys can only pitch certain innings or in certain situations is stupid. Back in the day your top reliever wouldn’t just come pitch the 9th, you’d bring him in when the situation was at it’s worst b/c he was the best you had. That’s why they used to be called “firemen.” Now, you’ll have men at 1st and 3rd and one out and the manager will bring out his 3rd best reliever b/c it’s not time for the set-up man much less the closer. Shouldn’t you bring in the “ace” of the bullpen? As for the starting the 9th inning, if you can’t get 3 outs w/out giving up 3 or more ERs then you shouldn’t be in MLB. As for the popularity of the NFL, you can rationalize all you want but the fact is that in my father’s lifetime baseball was the most popular sport in America and its stars were far more well known than any NFL player. Now, 99% of the public couldn’t pick Mike Trout out of a police lineup. Perhaps the NFL was destined to eventually take the top spot, but that didn’t mean MLB had to fall this low
Or when the batters piss and moan about the strike zone while umps are attacked verbally game after game and the league does NOTHING to combat it. Look at all the ejections the past few years.....all an act and "look at me" moment to excite the fans when in reality it's pathetic. Ya...umps make mistakes......but nearly everyone called out on a strike 3 have to question it at the plate while arguing with the umps. Good....cancel it all.....who cares.
Baseball has already been canceled in my household thanks to Rob Manfred. Free runner on 2nd base in extra innings??? Are you kidding me??? Totally delegitimizes the previous 9 innings. Can't wait until a pitcher or pitchers have a perfect game going into the 10th inning, yet there's now a magically-appearing runner on 2nd base. Moron.
I'm at the point where I literally do want them to cancel the season. That will wake the owners and players asses up to realize that their sport is dying and fans are being turned away in droves.
I'm with you. It's time to show these rigged pro sports leagues who REALLY calls the shots around here; the fans. If the powers-that-be are constantly rigging games for the sake of gambling or low-balling player salaries, they aren't even games anymore. I wish we could all work together to boycott the MLB/NFL/NBA, to hit them where it hurts.
Not to mention that maybe they will realize just how good of a thing they have. One thing that irritates me is the seemingly utter lack of gratitude from either the players or owners about either being able to play this game for too money, or being able to own a team. Perhaps a hit in the pocketbook will open their eyes. Then again, maybe monkeys will fly out of my rear. I'm not at all optimistic.
@@DaDitka Agreed but owners pay their salaries. I would not give in and threaten to cancel entire season. Owners need to stop with ridiculous contracts, especially for pitchers. They don't even play every day and no longer pitch complete games. I would not give in to players demands after giving them enough already. Let them go out to the real world and see how it goes.
@RedArc We the fans (which I am NO longer)...are the ones paying their ridiculously hefty salaries by paying an outrageous price for cheap seats and $8 for one beer. Why defend these overpaid bums?
@@middlefinger1565 why defend the billionaire owners? You're right we pay their salaries and if the owners paid them less they would just make more money for themselves.
It is hard to think MLB would recover if 2022 is canceled. It's already having difficulty drawing young fans also lost some during 2020, the only advantage MLB has is there's no other major sport going on from Mid-June through end of August.
MLB already put their foot in it...when it took a knee to BLM and the Woke Culture. If you went to the games during this dark period...you have no one to blame but yourself for its downward spiral.
@@joestack1222 I'm only racist against highly racist and violent BLM...who cares only about certain black lives...the lives of career criminals. Obtw...did you enjoy that highly ridiculous new documentary series on Showtime...titled "Everything's Gonna Be All White" 🤷♂🤷♂🤦♂🤦♂?!
I think your history of labor negotiations grossly misrepresented that history. MLB has a unique legal status in the US that allows the league to dodge federal anti-trust laws. Free agency didn't exist until the early 70's when SCOTUS finally decided that some monpolistic behavior the MLB did was illegal. Salaries skyrocketed relative to where they started, but those salaries started near the median national household income at the HIGHEST level of baseball. Owners were "losing" through the 90's in the sense that they were being forced to abide by more (but not all) of the federal laws governing labor that every other business in the country follows. Also, the league is not legally required to remove player likenesses from their websites. This is shown by the league continuing to sell merchandise bearing player names and likeness. The league does not license player likeness from the MLBPA because the MLB never negotiated away that right.
@@666jt Both. That's why your copy of MLB the Show has an official MLB logo and an MLBPA logo. For baseball cards, Topps had both licenses, but the MLBPA also licensed their rights to Panini.
@@not_jon_vendi It's not clear, but it seems like a tactic meant to draw attention to the lockout. MLB probably wants people to conclude that the MLBPA is so petty/greedy as to not allow MLB to show the likeness of players on their website during the work stoppage. They want to turn popular sentiment against the players like they did in '95.
As someone who's currently playing baseball and wants to sign in MLB one day, this is absolutely horrible to hear. Knowing baseball may never be the same as it used to be scares me
@Thomas Cavanaugh If you followed the Seattle Mariners like I have for the past 20 years, then you already know how demoralizing it is to see a team reinvent itself only to fall flat on its face.
@Thomas Cavanaugh I'm 25 and I haven't played since little league. I just got signed onto an MLB team as a shortstop for 240k a year. You should try out I did and I got in because I told them "baseball has problems. I'm here to solve them. I can bat, I can catch. I know my way around a mitt. Give me a chance coach." And he did. He gave me a choice of positions.
I’m a huge tigers fan too but in my opinion this could possibly be the worst time ever to be good in 2020 and 2021 the playoffs and world series just didn’t seem the same in my opinion and it just seems like it going down hill I’m so happy that we’re signing good free agents and our good prospect are have an impact at the big league level but scared it could be wrong time
Everything about Detroit is pissing me off this year All snow storms avoid us; yet the temperatures stay below freezing constantly. I want to beat Mother Nature Lions always do bad and then win the last games so they won’t get a first round pick. Their future looks promising. However, they will probably find a way to screw up Pistons sign Cade Cunningham and we were excited. Of course, we are the second worst team in the league Tigers sign amazing recruits and then this BS happens Redwings seems to be really improving and is the only team with a winning record as of today
0:15 in & I already had my Heart ripped out. I really wanted too see the Jays do good in this new season but the lockout is going to screw us out of a great season of baseball
While i typically side with players over owners on pro sports disputes, playing without a salary cap/luxury tax is bad for the sport. If there's no league limit on spending, the only limit becomes the revenue a team has to spend, and thus the teams which make the most money sign all the best players and they win year after year, gaining more fans because people want to cheer for a winning team, and thus securing more money to sign all the best players with. As an extreme example, look at Formula 1, in which Mercedes has won the constructors championship 8 years in a row, and in the last 50 years there have been 14 multi-year winning streaks by one team, compared to only 6 instances of a team winning a single season and not winning the next. Granted, success for a team in F1 is determined by a lot more than just money to hire the best drivers, but it still stands, spending as much as you have creates uncompetitive sports where you can safely assume the winner before the season even starts. Having a salary cap that all teams can afford to spend to reduces the skill gap between teams making for more interesting games and seasons. But, the salary cap and league minimum salary should be high enough that players are compensated fairly for what they contribute to the sport.
Wow, you both sound like commies. A salary cap in any sport is totally unamerican. Revenue sharing is unamerican. We constantly see small market teams that don't spend nearly as much as the big markets make title runs. Baseball was at the height of it's popularity when there were juggernauts dominating. In fact, most sports do better in terms of viewership when there are juggernauts and aren't leagues filled with mediocrity. Ending the salary cap would actually make things more competitive in my opinion. In closing, all a salary cap does is further enrich the owners at the detriment of the talent. Take LeBron James for example. As much as I dislike him, he's criminally underpaid (by his NBA teams) specifically due to the salary cap.
@@BlyGuy here's the other thing about removing the salary cap; it's not gonna equal higher pay for most players, especially in a game like baseball. Admittedly, I don't follow baseball closely, but as I understand it pitchers are considered the most valuable position to a team, and have a large pay gap between a good pitcher and a good outfielder. I seriously doubt that removing a salary cap will do much of anything for the pay of outfielders, unless they're also like, top 10 hitters or something. Which in most sports the "less important" positions actually make up most of the players. Which is where a league minimum salary comes in. So you would think the players association would be wanting to look out for the majority of players, and thus be focussing on upping the league minimum salary.
@@BlyGuy A salary cap is unAmerican? You do realize the two most popular sports in the USin football and basketball both have a salary cap right? Hockey has a salary cap. Even the MLS has a salary cap. Its the only soccer league in the world with a salary cap, precisely because its an american thing. Salary caps create parity. Without it, small market teams just become minor league teams for the the big markets who sign every superstar the moment they become a free agent. WIth salary caps, even small market teams can give big contracts. And how the hell is Lebron underpaid? The man can get whatever price he wants. He doesnt because he wants to win. The NBA lets any team give max contracts to their players.
@@Slayer8957 The salary cap suppresses the earning potential of the biggest stars, which is not capitalism and unamerican. Why do you want more money going to the owners and not the talent? Economists have done the math in terms of what players like LeBron are actually worth and at the height of his popularity, LJ should have been earning somewhere around $75 million a year from just his NBA contract, but b/c of the bullshit salary cap, the owners get to make more at the detriment of the top players. I also don't agree that the salary cap creates parity. That's a ruse the owners use and have gotten you to believe to suppress player contracts. In the NBA, the salary cap has led to super teams repeatedly forming. Without a cap, those super teams are more unlikely.
Back in 94 the slogan I remember was “the billionaires vs the millionaires.” Honestly I’m dissatisfied with both sides. Ticket and concession prices are ridiculous all because of the high salaries. People wake up, it’s a game that people get rich off of. It’s simply just entertainment. I’m tired of all of it. During natural disasters and crisis, we need real workers and real skills from people that don’t even get a fraction of what these overpaid entertainers get yet are risking their very lives.
A lot of the low level guys aren't really millionaires (at least in the 90s), but I take the point, they're pretty comfortable. But I'm not sure player salaries are driving the costs. If you froze the players salaries, you'd change nothing. The owners will charge what the market will bear, not what's "fair". If they can keep charging more and more every year, they will. Players at least pay a higher tax rate, so I'd rather it went to them. Maybe those billionaires should pay more tax too, but that's another conversation.
Oh good, another person who has absolutely zero clue how free market capitalism works. Why do sports players make so much money? Because that's what the market pays them. There are few of them, therefore the demand is higher. Why do firefighters, nurses, and teachers make less? Because that's what the market pays them. There are many of them, therefore the demand is lower. That's just how the free market works. You don't want the sports players making so much money? Convince every person to never go to a game, never watch it on TV, never buy the merchandise. All of a sudden, they won't make nearly as much because you aren't giving them your money.
@@ryanchase9332 if you genuinely hold the belief that we operate in a free market here in the US then im afraid you don't understand either my friend lol
I feel you 100% on this. This goes with every other sport too. Same with Hollywood.. F 'em all. It's sad to me, but I need to work on myself and find other pursuits. Blessing in disguise that my team changed its name to the gUarDianS 🤢 🤮. Perfect time to leave the sport forever.
Channel name has never been so true :( But on the positive side of things, Braves winning the World series was the last game before this mess happened, and thats a SUPER high note!
I lost respect for MLB when the Houston Astros cheated to win a world series and nothing was done to strip the team of the title. Not to mention ridiculous salaries (for playing with a ball mind you), steroid abuse, ticket prices, concessions and on and on.
The final nail in the coffin for me, personally, will be the institution of the DH in the national league. Once that happens my 30+ years of loving MLB baseball will come to an end.
Man I used to be a big baseball fan not so much now. I still enjoy it here and there but your videos are amazingly entertaining to watch. makes me miss the old days of baseball
Just got into the mlb last season, it was great, loved the craziness of the regular season and the postseason was so weird in the best way, and now I won't be seeing more until next year, cmooon bruh
So it's all about money and not the game. I side with the players on most of the issues. Does the time to free agency really need to be reduced? If it does, it can hurt small market teams that will lose their players faster. It would definitely hurt the Athletics.
NHL learned their lesson too not just getting their shit together during the Covid break and creating a fun playoff but also deciding to get that CBA done for several more years in the process. Both sides worked together by having some of the player’s salaries in escrow so their teams wouldn’t be broke and in return they get that money back later with interest. (I know it’s a bit more complicated with than that but that’s why it’s impressive they got it done because in the past they would’ve lost a season and a half.)
@@freeparking301 NHL is now having a cultural problem between the owners and players in the near future after hearing what’s going on and people haven’t talked about it
@@therealjaystone2344 That’s certainly true. We all knew about the pill popping culture for years. As a Flyers fan I got to see Carter and Richards zooted out of their minds on the bench along with the rumors of them sniffing oxys at frat parties and beach houses down at the Jersey Shore. Players don’t magically skate on a broken foot days after it happened without some heavy duty help. And of course we have the Blackhawks scandal which the NHL would like all of us to forget ever happened.
Lifelong hockey fan here, casual on and off baseball viewer. Getting into this channel has been a really interesting insight into a sport I don't know much about. One thing that boggles my mind is the amount of grudges that are held for the silliest of reasons. Like, the Major League players strike, so you, a Minor Leaguer, are called up to play in the majors. And for some reason, thats a negative that you carry with you your wholr career? What? If any player in the AHL or even the ECHL was given an opportunity to play in the NHL, for any reason, they'd do it, and I'm sure they wouldn't be ostrasized for it. That petty aspect of this sport really confuses me, but also makes it more interesting honestly.
Why can’t the best teams from all over the world create a super league at this point . Have the best teams from the us , Mexico, Japan , and etc play each other. It could be a win win . Not only that , it expands the game and popularity.
the best mexican team is mebbe aaa lvl. ditto japan. drop a bit for korea, venezula, dominica, phillipines. any otha place that even has organized leagues [europe? snicker] is low minors. @ best.
I have no problems with the length of a game. It's the length of the season that should be addressed. Why do we need 162 games? Also, I'd like to see more diversity in schedules. Facing the same four teams over and over again for half the season gets very repetitive / boring very quickly. As a Blue Jays fan I'd like to see teams other than NYY/BOS/TB/BAL more often.
Here is a story about Bud Selig, the old commissioner. I was a kid, about 10 years old back in the 90's and I went to a Brewers game at County stadium with my Dad and his friends. When we were leaving, we are trying to get autographs from players who were coming out and heading to their cars (A lot of them stopped and signed a bunch of balls/items for people, even the Texas Rangers players like Pudge Rodriguez and Juan Gonzalez) One guy that wouldn't stop was Bud Selig. My Dad's friend knew who he was and started heckling him and yelling drunken insults at him. He came back about 5 minutes later and walked up to us, he had a box full of baseballs, he came up to me and gave me a ball and signed it, then he stood there chatting with my Dad and his friends for a while. Turned out he was a good guy, a lot better than most people think he is
he will just be replaced with another puppet. Roger Goodell? Gary Bettman? Every league has this boss. There's no hero coming through that door. They do not exist. This is the best there is to offer. Selfish players, selfish owners. Everyone is selfish.
Personally I’d like if my team could compete more then once every 7-10 yrs and rebuilding the rest. They’re all worried about putting money in their pockets then producing a good product. You lose interest and watch a whole lot less baseball when you know at the start of the season that your team sucks…again. Maybe focus on improving the game instead of worrying about pitch count.
@@douganthony6424 I read messages with bad grammar and don’t feel the need to correct. I get it, it gets under your skin. Thank you for pointing out how much smarter you is then I is.
its getting harder and harder to defend baseball. i love baseball and that baseball has a long season. somthin to watch on tv or live everyday. but adding more playoff teams is a joke.
My interest in Baseball was already waning even before the COVID shortened season. But this whole mess actually drove me to do something, I though I would never do as an American, I started watching Cricket. and ya know what? I actually kinda like it.
I haven't watched a baseball game in years; I live in Atlanta and only watched a few innings of the series last year. I'm really fed up with both sides. There's a whole lot more to life than baseball. We're hearing owners and players argue over millions and billions of dollars while the government in Washington is putting us in debt for trillions. I think it's time to put things in perspective.
I recommend lacrosse. My grandfather and father were baseball and soccer prodigies. I ended up playing football bc i loved physicality and was a natural at baseball. But baseball was boring to me and i was introduced to lacrosse. I havent looked back since. It is just a beautiful sport and u should give it a chance.
@@samtexsemtex6998 I've tried Lacrosse in the past, and it wasn't for me. The problem is that in a huge hockey fan as well, and it will never be replaced. If I want Physicality I can go watch hockey. Oh, and I've also given up on NFL as well, so now I watch Rugby and Australian Football instead.
@@normanwhite6677 the only thing that was great about last season was Atlanta winning the world series. That was poetic justice, for how the leave screwed them out of the All-Star Game.
I refuse to watch the MLB ever since the Astros cheating scandal, (I was an Astros fan) ever since the scandal the other 29 fanbases will never shut up about it, they find every opportunity to make fun of the Astros, calling them cheaters, throw trash cans at them, make trash can jokes, etc. They need to get over it and let it go… But that sadly will not happen because they don’t want to…
Generally I look at what the players want and realize that I'm on the owners side regarding the rules, except for the playoffs more playoff games would be a disaster
Baseball desperately needs a salary cap to add parity to the League. The other sports in the Big 4 have a salary cap and it works. You're not going to get higher salaries without adding in a cap floor which means a cap ceiling as well.
@@walker1984 They want to raise the luxury tax. The reality is, if they want players to get paid more, they need a salary cap to institute a cap floor. When my Red Sox have a payroll 10x that of the Pirates, that's not competitive at all.
Based on what I know of baseball internationally the MLB getting marginalized will NOT kill the sport, although the legitimacy of the "Major League" and "World Series" titles would be nuked (they got a pass before because they have most of the best players in the world). Unlike seemingly most fans I give MLB a long leash for reasons that probably contradict my values, but even for me they are getting close enough to the end of it that I'm considering trying to watch leagues outside the US (probably mainly NPB because they're the most competitive from an athletic point of view and I'm a weeb). If any fans reading this are torn between wanting to boycott and not wanting to give up the sport that's also an option for you, if you can figure out where to look.
There will be missed games, a small minority of owners only rely on their teams for money, so many of them owning a team is just a hobby. So they have no incentive not to screw the players over and miss games
11:45 "league and owners are making more money but players are not" thats basically going on everywhere right now. corporations and billionaires making insane profits while wages have stagnated for the last 2 decades. just a little hard to care about millionaire MLB players making a little less money while the general populous is suffering.
Bad for everyone. The casual fan that the league desperately needs is going to look at this and see millionaires who play a game for a living and billionaiers who sit in a suite and watch a game for a living squabbling over pennies and walk away in disgust. Obviously not the whole story, but it doesn't matter.
Players should have went on a strike right before the playoffs. Players make most of their money during the regular season. The league depends on the national tv money from Fox, ESPN and TBS. Those tv stations make most of their money during the playoffs and would force the MLB to capitulate to player demands.
It might have made MLB capitulate but it also would have made many in the public (especially in Atlanta and other cities that had teams in the playoffs) hate them forever.
You know what I love? A 2.5 hour baseball game. You know what I hate? A 3.5 hour baseball game. And while you’re trying (failing) to make it interesting, max two throws to any baserunner during an at bat. If you don’t get him out on try 2 he can essentially walk to the next base. Make basestealing great again and actually interesting.
Owners: sign players to hilarious 300 mil contracts Owners: ya see it's just too expensive to have a baseball team now Owners: why would the players do this
Between the COVID season and this likely shortened/cancelled season, some of these great players are having the prime years of their careers ripped out from under them. It’ll be a shame that it could cost some of them the Hall of Fame. The owners and union should be ashamed of themselves.
For real. I’m a huge trout fan and this hurts because he’s missing out on possible 40 home runs to add onto his total. He has already missed a lot of games due to the 60 game season.
I get this is frustrating but both-sidesing it like this will only ever help the owners. Ultimately, they're the ones stifling the growth of the league. Anti-player sentiment after the strike in '94 really killed popularity of the league for a good chunk of years. It'd be a shame if the owners weaponize that again.
@@tobertitus Both sides are tone deaf, but the players are even more so than the owners. The players union (and individual responses) in the middle of the 2020 fiasco showed they cared nothing about the world around them, the plight of people in their communities, nothing. Baseball cannot exist long-term without fans buying tickets, buying merchandise, etc. The owners don't care enough about that because most of them make their money from other businesses. Players? They cannot exist without the fans 100%, yet they never try to get the general public on their side. Manfred is not good for baseball, but Tony Clark is even worse.
I'm surprised the players are advocating against luxury tax and profit sharing... those are the only things even trying to keep some form of parity in the league. Making it so big market teams really can spend to their hearts' desires would just create even greater stratification between players' salaries (those that are in big markets and those that are not) and arguably could reduce the earnings potential of most players as their teams go longer and longer without being competitive because the big markets cement their dominance.
But Tampa Bay continually beats the yanks n Sox. N gimme a break these owners are all billionaires n they're printing more $ every year. I'm a tigers fan n watching inherited 10 time billionaire Chris illitch pinch pennies the last few years is obnoxious. The more u spend the better your team, the better your team the more fans n longer u get to play, which means more money for the owner.
Revenue sharing simultaneously creates an incentive for small market teams not to try. The Pirates management is perfectly happy getting their check at the end of every season they finish last. And as Josh said, all teams, no matter the market, are flush with cash. Owners that are cheap, that cry poor, make no effort to improve their team or stadiums or listen to the fanbase, are doing that by choice. Not because they're trapped in a small market or anything. They're billionaires.
@@joshlewis575 You realize owners being *worth* billions doesn’t mean they *possess* billions. Most of that value is in the team itself and they can’t just drop tons of money whenever “Josh Lewis” thinks it’s valid.
@@joshlewis575 you do realize the reason Tampa bay can stay competitive is because of the revenue sharing and luxury tax. If the luxury tax is gone nothing is going to stop the big market team to steal players from teams like Tampa.
man, you know how messed up that was for ken to lose his job. that man would do triple what manfred did in half the time, and still write all his articles
Fans send multi-millions of dollars to MLB every year. Fans buy the tickets and the merchandise. Fans pay a cable bill to watch MLB. Fans fill the stands and make the noise that inspires the players. (remember the cardboard cut-outs at the pandemic games? How fun was that?) So, my question is: WHY don't FANS have a seat at the TABLE?? We have a stake in what goes inhere and we have invested our time, passion and energy into this game and our team. We deserve to have a say whether there is going to be a season, don't we? We're here waiting and watching rich creeps divvy up the bucks and maybe change the game with no say in the matter.
This could be the perfect storm where fans use socal media to organization their own union and put pressure on both players and owners to make going to a game cheaper than a movie with free parking
@@MrBentheretwo wel, mlb hasn't cared bout Joe q. Fan in a long time. Sadly, their revenue is as much driven by network contracts & the like. (Bonus fun -- a work stoppage kills the value of those as wel!!)
@@rvog6584 I agree which is why they can afford to give everyone a chance to go to a game without spending a hundred dollars or more trust me if fans put up a big enough stink advertising is going to be gum shy of spending big bucks towards baseball and that's just the thing that will scare owners
Great video! Love the historical side you showed and how it leads up to all this mess. Really drives the point home of why these sides are so at odds with each other rn
I see the pitch clock as a minor issue, I rather see a pitch take 40 seconds to throw, you can reset the clock just by holding a running on base and it adds a little more speed to a game, look at basketball the shot clock was implemented so that teams would stop passing the ball around once they had the lead.
When is Manfred going to cancel his membership at Augusta National in Georgia? For political reasons he moved the all-star game from a city with 50% minority business ownership, Atlanta, to a city with 7% minority business ownership, Denver.
For every single person in the comments thinking that the players are paid too much: if you are the absolute, undisputable best in the world in a certain craft, AND create billions of dollars in revenue for your boss, it is only fair that you get compensated considerably better than the average Joe. It's the same (if pro sports are not more lenient) for any other professions out there really.
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That’s the worst case scenario for Baseball.
Especially coming off a season like 2021.
2020 and 2021 were special seasons; playoffs were so fun
@@gabeshivers 2020 itself was a shitshow
@@gabeshivers 2020 was an awful season
@@sawyertuide7636 Baseball's been a shit show for some time and now it's Woke. It's dead to me and I was a die hard Mets fan, so you know I must have been dedicated. LOL!
@@sawyertuide7636 Im just getting back into baseball, can you give me a quick elevator speech on why 2020 was such a shitshow? Ive just been getting back into baseball for the last 7(ish) months and now I'm finding out there might not be a 2022 season? I need to get caught up big time.
great channel... also, this could be a silver lining for my Twins. We might not lose 100 games now in 2022
I did not expect to find you here lol
I said the same thing about my Orioles
Let's pay Josh Donaldson 20 plus million per and not make Eddie Rosario a serious offer and watch him key an epic world series run...the disgust is real
Zed!!! What’s going on? Tired of watching fart jokes?
To bad it won't help the Vikings.
You explained the current and '94 labour dispute better than I have ever heard. The detail that you go into is unmatched, great stuff.
Baseball's problem is getting kids and adults to actually watch baseball in person or on TV. Baseball isn't the cultural icon it used to be and no one in today's MLB is as famous as Mickey Mantle was in his prime. Sure, people our age may go to a ballpark 1-2 times a year to take their Instagram photo with a hot dog and a beer, but when following a team like the Angels/Dodgers requires a pricey cable package, most people just aren't going to care. People might go to the ballpark once a year but teams want people to attend or watch games far more often. Not only that, but it's just not as entertaining as it used to be, because they've taken some of the physicality out of the game. Baseball, entertainment-wise, isn't that good of a sport and I say this as a life-long baseball fan who loves baseball. The fact is that games go on too long, the amount of action or time during the game where the teams are actually playing is minimal, the rules are extremely complex and nuanced, and the big moments homeruns, plays at the plate, are infrequent and often don't happen during games. MLB has plenty of issues it needs to fix including game length, playoff games being too late and marketing their stats. There's just so many alternative entertainment options -people pay less attention over the course of a six month season. It's good that people still like to play Baseball/softball, but MLB is on it's way to becoming culturally irrelevant. You can ALWAYS do more to attract new fans. Baseball fans need to stop getting offended when someone points out baseball could do more.
Completely agree need a shortened season where the games are more meaningful. Spring training should be part of the season and should be done before people can think about football
I think the hurry up rules could help. Kids have no attention spans these days. They complain about movies longer than 90 minutes. Also juice the balls again, fans love a HR.
Plus they get paid way too much to swing a bat
The length of the game is alright by me, I am always on the go-go-go so when I sit down for a game, any game, I do like to savor it like a juicy steak. As a life long Braves fan I am more upset that I pay 65 a month for a streaming service that bally sports refuses to re-sign a contract with, so now I cant watch any games.
Everyone in this mini thread sucks and aren't true baseball fans... Go watch basketball if you want a 'fast' game.. go watch football if you want a short season. In a world of fan service, y'all should just go watch the MCU.
Well this video aged like…
…a fine wine.
God damn it.
EDIT: The wine has fermented into a frothy milk!!!
More like milk :-(
NOT ANYMORE BABY
On the optimistic side, most similar labor disputes in baseball history have ended with the owners realizing they can’t make money without the players, and concede to the MLBPA
And most of the time that happens, they don’t lockout the players for months.
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This is still off-season tho, I think the owners will break by March
@@warlordofbritannia yeah because the owners have the advantage right now because since it’s offseason they’re not losing a dime
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Exactly!
Once the season comes…only then will they realize what they have to lose
Really sick of the billionaires vs the millionaires. Fuck em both.
With the way things are going between the owners and players, your channel name might actually become true…
Edit: Nevermind we good
It's a prophecy
Very true…
Unfortunately
I want to ask how does 14 teams works that 7 teams per division a odd number if they play against each other without separating that 7 teams left a odd number just like the 7 per each team being odd so how would this work
@@MsSaskue360 top seed gets a bye for a round ?
Kinda like NFL playoffs
Would love to see baseball have less season games and more playoff games. It would mean less wear and tear on the players during the season, more revenue for owners, and incentives for players in the playoffs.
16 teams, 8 aside, best of seven. This would solve a lot of profit and spending issues. Not to mention it would generate more interest because more teams make it in. Like the NHL and NBA (salary cap leagues).
That’s half of the MLB. If they do that, then the wildcard needs to be more than one game. A team can miss out based on one player having a mid game injury or off night.
this will never happen bc the bulk of revenue comes from tv ads. more games =bigger ad contracts/revenue. regardless of how compelling or meaningful the season is.
Wow! You are standing on an island. Seems like most want to keep the playoffs as is. You're our type of person. Independent thinkers. Come join us!
100 game season. Each team plays 50 on friday/Saturday and 50 tue/wed with of course 50 being at home and 50 away. 30 week season including playoffs, all star game. Less games, shorter season equals more interest because each game is more important. Standardized tue/wed/fri/sat schedules help fans keep up and tv stations schedule better. Also, drop the game to 7 innings to speed it up. That way you have One starter and one closer most of the time and the game is quicker (2.5hrs). Who cares about the old records and comparing stats from times gone by. People would go to games on weekends or watch on tv if it was shorter and weekday tickets could be cheaper. Probably would sell more tickets in a 100 games than 162 that way. Shorter season, smaller contracts, more interest, fuller stadiums, everyone wins.
I like the lengthy regular season.
Not current to this lockout, but it still hurts to think of what could of been for the 1994 Expos. ☹
From Montreal, I feel you.
*could've/could have
@@skiprockjr.6881 coulduv
@@bakedkalechips69 "Loose" when they mean "lose" and "could of" and not "could've" drive me nuts. I'm finally putting my foot down.
@@skiprockjr.6881 don't tell autocorrect, we'll never get out of this comment section. Gah.
Thing is Manfred represents the owners which means the owners are probably just as bad. You get rid of Manfred they’ll just get a guy who acts the same way as him. Remember the owners are writing his paycheck
Exactly. The last four or five commissioners all come from the same tree and were just close friends of the commissioner that came before them. The slimier the better too especially Selig and Manfred. They especially suck!
Yep
I hate this commissioner more than I hated tge former commissioner. Manfred is killing the & he is listening to these fans that not really fans. I agree no pitch clock,but yes to a draft lottery.
Giamatti seemed different but he really did have a chance to show us.
@@demonkingbadger6689 He certainly could’ve been the one to take us off this timeline we are in now. I think his heart attack showed us that he stressed over things with more empathy than the slime we would get after his far too short run as commissioner.
For me, as an avid baseball fan my whole life, I stopped caring about the regular season for the most part aside from occasionally checking up on how my teams performing, and skip to the playoffs. Football really nailed how to engage the fans with nail biting seasons and meaningful games that make it worth watching.
So true
I basically start paying attention after the All Star game. That's when you start to really see if your team has a chance.
These days, I only watch my team's games until VERY close to the end of the season when scoreboard watching becomes necessary.
And even then, I don't pay much attention until all the other sports are done.
No you just have a low attention span
I just started watching baseball last year. Honestly this is all confusing but very interesting
Here I am thinking the 2022 season would be cancelled because of bad UMPing 😂 (maybe I'm watching a little too much Jomboy)
same, good way to start
Dude same here!
The effort and research that goes into your videos is much appreciated my guy. Your solution to the players and owners wants sounds like a pretty good compromise to me. The only thing I really hope doesn't happen is the pitch timer. Baseball is a long and meticulous game and that's why we love it so much, imo a timer would change the fundamentals of the game too much.
Nah, MLB is losing viewership year over year while salaries and expenses increase. Pitch clock is great. IMO - They need to do MORE to compete for eyeballs these days.
@@VeriStrawberi people who don’t like baseball, don’t like baseball. A pitch clock isn’t gong to make them suddenly like baseball...because guess what? THEY DON’T LIKE BASEBALL.
How about we stop catering to and pursuing people who “just aren’t that into” us?
I mean, really - who do we think we are? The GOP (to blacks)?
@@bogme Thank you, been saying that for years! Rushing the pitcher isn’t going to change anything 🤷🏻♂️
@@VeriStrawberi I agree. Baseball was more popular when there was more fast paced-action.
Pitch clock is actually a great idea imo. Games are too long and pitch clocks are already implemented in some minor leagues and it’s been going fine
It is legitimately impressive that Rob Manfred is so bad at his job that he makes Goodell and Bettman look like competent commissioners.
Yeah... Let's not get crazy here.
Hell, he makes Bud Selig look good.
Careful now, baseball never had a glowing ball. Bettman is a piece of shit and the poster child for term limits on commissioners. Fans hate him, players hate him, the only people that even tolerate his weeniness are accountants. Rob Manfred is unpopular but he doesn't get booed the way Bettman has been booed at every Stanley Cup Final for well over a decade.
And I hate Goodell soooo bad
Adam Silver is the only commissioner who isn't widely hated/ridiculed in American sports. What does that tell us?
BTW, it's not illegal for people to talk to each other in personal life. Ridiculous.
It's almost a relief to hear this - it will save me the frustration of watching my team fall short yet again, and give me an excuse to stay away and pursue other interests. Both sides take the fans for granted.
We know how you feel Phillip. We're your friends. We're not like the others.
Yanks fan?
@@RapFan54 Us? Now way! We're Detroiters!
@@PallazzoPodcast the Tigers haven't been relevant since 2013 when they lost in the ALCS.
@@chrisshook8471 No doubt about it. 2014 against BAL was the death knell but I see your point.
I miss baseball so much. Im almost depressed by seeing it disappear in the moment
well right now its offseason
@@mbdg6810 thanks bro had no idea
I mean you haven't technically been in a time when baseball would've been played this year tho
Pitch Clock isn't necessary, just enforce existing rules which aren't being enforced.
I miss baseball so much I’m dying inside.
Elf on the shelf Manfred is to blame
It was finally looking promising for my Tigers again :(
@@Karmy. exactly bro detroit for life
Not alone
@@Mannyhurtjr Al? You're still alive?
The thought of taking away luxury tax and having no kind of salary floor means that the disparity you already see in the game is only going to get more 1-sided between the teams with owners that actually spend and owners that put together barebones operations like John Fischer of the A's.
Players don't think about that or the fans of that organization that get hurt by this. All they care about is getting theirs. The top players don't really care about the bottom players either tbh. If they did, they would have Tony Clark fight more for those players instead of the 1%.
@@walker1984 The disparity is not a problem with the players. It is the owners fault.
If the owner does not want to pay for a competitive team, then that has nothing to do with the players.
If the owner wanted to promote his team, pay for stars, and market all of that, there is no issue.
It is owners who don't care about the team but just want to say they own a team, that is the problem.
@@the_algorithm Without a cap there are too many teams that simply can't afford to compete. Owners have to choose between going broke hoping to get lucky or manage the team for profit. There needs to be a floor and cap. Without a floor there are owners that won't field a competitive team and without a cap there are owners that will vastly outspend others. At least half the teams are basically a minor league system for the big market, big spenders. This is a big reason why fans are checking out and not watching once you get outside of places like the northeast corridor and California.
@@kamX-rz4uy the level of parity isn't the reason fans are checking out otherwise The NBA which since 2000 has had 5 repeat Champions while the MLB Hasn't had 1 repeat champ since 2000. The Reason people aren't paying attention to baseball is because baseball is too slow paced for people.
But the NBA had a record dropoff of viewers because of those repeated champions so not sure your point is valid since it just recently recovered
This aged like spoiled milk...
Nobody is going to cry for players making "less than a million dollars a year." They need to unionize the minor leaguers and negotiate to treat them fairly. That is the sympathetic group and the biggest fear of the owners. That would require the MLB players to support minor leaguers when it doesn't help them. But that's the right thing to do and there is some recent history of unions doing exactly that. Most minor leaguers never make it to the majors. They spend their prime years making nothing and learning nothing and then retire young, broke, and with no prospects for future work.
The MLBPA is the strongest sports player Union for a reason, and making common cause with the minors would only further cement that fact-I’m surprise they haven’t realized this and done so before…
Making nothing? Most of those minor leaguers make more a year than I do and I make between 75-100K a year and work way more hours than they do
@@aaronsanborn4291 are you sure about that? The average salary for a player in triple a minor leagues is $15,000…. The teams don’t provide housing or anything like that. So you’re left to pay for an apartment on that small salary. I make more then a AAA baseball player and make $18/hr…
@@aaronsanborn4291 obviously if you’re good enough you can get sponsors and everything but the majority of minor leaguers aren’t. They don’t make enough money.
@@aaronsanborn4291 no they don't what are you talking about. They literally make less than 20k a year and they have to have roommates just to afford rent
Rob Manfred is the worst thing that ever happened to baseball and that's saying something.
Rob Manfred is a lying dirty _ _ _
He's a complete joke.
People have said that about every commissioner.
@@kristopherloviska9042 Well we gotta blame someone 🤷🏽♂️😭
The players association gave the cheating astros immunity, they're not much better. I side with Manfred and the owners here.
I remember when it seemed like the NFL was headed for a lockout ahead of their very recent CBA, and then they reached an agreement without incident.
Anyway, what I learned from that is don't try to predict this sort of gridlock with too much confidence ahead of time.
Too much money on the line, an agreement WILL be met
Very rational response. Hard to argue. Especially when reporting just gets less and less reliable each year.
Soooo, how are we feeling now?
I got to see the Braves win another World Series. I'm cool with that being the last game in MLB history.
Same 😂
My Cubbies won in '16, waiting my grandpas entire life, my dad's, and mine to see it. I'm good
I haven’t seen mike trout win a playoff game, IM NOT GOOD
^ I’m not even an Angels fan but I would love to see him make the World Series .. then lose to the Braves!
I watched Bellinger knock us out in the NLDS. I need revenge
baseball doesn't exist wasn't a joke it was a warning
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If baseball wants people to return to stadiums, listen to radio broadcasts, and follow teams daily (as we did as kids and young adults), put all TV games on free antenna broadcasts, and slash ticket prices in the traditional "cheap seats". Fans will return in droves and those who earn higher incomes will pay more money for good seats.
I used to love this game, loved watching, going, following. At this point I wouldn't even blink if they canceled a season or more...
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i feel the same way i have felt that way for a while
Your favorite team must suck
MLB don't care about you.
The MLBPA doesnt care about you.
A good minority don't even care about or even LIKE baseball lol
As they say, a new sucker is born every minute.
Just found this video and loved it! It really is sad that a game that started for the passion and the fun has turned to money and greed. I always think about Field of Dreams when I'm watching a game. When Ray Liotta plays Shoeless Joe Jackson and the expression he made when he got to play on the field in the corn again... that's true passion for the game.
Field of dreams is overrated trash
All sports are now about the money!!
@@mikecoyle1969 been that way for like 100 years.
@@tommyfu9271 🤣🤣
@@codyprickett7969 absolute trash
Watch bull Durham if you want a good baseball Cosner movie
I used to be a die-hard fan and had amazing coaching growing up. I’ve completely checked out the last 4-5 years because the game is so analytical. The shift absolutely sucks and it’s just an algorithm with little human decision making. No soul and no smallball is bad for the future.
Small ball is trash
There's a lot wrong with baseball but lack of small ball isn't it
@@tommyfu9271 Yeah, b/c this analytics b.s. where everyone walks up to the plate to either K, walk or hit a homerun is just SOOOO exciting! In fact, it's so exciting that a mediocre Sunday night NFL game in the middle of the regular season between 2 small market teams will destroy a crucial WS game in the ratings. It's so exciting that while NFL and NBA players are some of the most well-known celebrities in the country or even the world, most Americans wouldn't know the best players in MLB if they tripped over them in the street. I hope you enjoy baseball's cultural irrelevance
@@Musicvidsetc the NBA is hot garbage 95 percent of the time.Regular season nba is more boring and almost as meaningless as exibition baseball.Elite high level basketball between the 3-4 teams that actually have a real chance to win the championship each year is great.
Why aren't you complaining about analytics in basketball? The NBA is completely different than 20 years ago because of analytics.
I actually think analytics has gone a little overboard (basically it thinks humans are robots when they aren't) but they make a lot more sense than people quiting old school stats that are absolute fucking nonsense like win loss record or batting average.This stats were not deemed important bc someone actually analyzed what the meant,it was merely easy to report them in newspapers in the 1800s so that's what people went with.
Do I like seeing guys strike out all the time? No. And I think analytics is wrong thinking strikeouts don't matter at all for hitters (while stressing their importance for pitchers) but old school guys also think they matter way more than they do.
Old school guys also love dumb shit like "small ball" which generally means doing idiotic things like sac bunting a man from first base to second base which even if successful is almost always reducing your teams chances of winning a game unless the pitcher was batting.
Call the shift an algorithm if you want but it makes perfect sense.If you think baseball should outlaw it fine,but it's smart.Teams should position their defense where guys are most likely to hit the ball.What makes zero sense is that for over 100 years teams basically played everyone like they were Tony Gwynn. While we have way more data than ever before to be way more precise than was possible even 10 years ago,there was NEVER any logical reason to position your defense symetrically across the field unless the batter happened to hit equally to all fields which very few players do.That "human decision making" was lazy and moronic.Humans were wrong for over 100 years.Just like humans were wrong for a long time in the NBA for not realizing how valuable 3 pointers are and how shitty of a shot long 2s are.Your preference is more bad human decision making over doing what's correct?
You're right the NFL will always draw better than baseball. It's a once a week sport that's heavily gambled on. There are many things I think are wrong with baseball-the pussification of starting pitching makes me sick.While analytics do say pitchers generally are significantly worse the third time through the other this has never been the case for elite pitchers ever including now.There is no reason for legit aces to be treated like regular pitchers. There is way too much down time because of mid inning pitching changes. I am one of the few people who likes the 3 batter rule.Id actually like to see it extended even further.
I also will never understand why baseball gives relievers 8 warm up pitchers on the mound.Its absurd you have a bullpen so use it.Evedy pitching change takes 4-5 minutes from the last pitcher the prior pitcher through to the first pitch the reliever throws.If every time an NBA player subbed into a game the crowd had to wait a few minutes to warm up it would be unwatchable.I wish baseball would do something about this.
@@tommyfu9271 WOW! A lot to unpack there. OK, in terms of the NBA, I totally agree with you. I haven’t even watched a full NBA game in years. It’s boring and it’s no longer a contact sport. I recently saw a playoff game from back in the day in which Dennis Rodman, who was on the Spurs at the time, was guarding Karl Malone. There was more physicality between those 2 men in 1 game then there has been in the entire NBA for the last 5 years. Later, you mention concentrating on shooting 3’s. Ok, well, first, outside of a few guys like Bird, that’s where today’s NBA player has an advantage b/c yesterday’s players didn’t concentrate on that aspect of the game. Doesn’t make sense to shoot 3’s if you can’t make them. Speaking of which, kind of like baseball, this has gone overboard w/ 7’ centers and power forwards pulling up and shooting them.
That leads us to something similar in baseball. You mention Tony Gwynn: Gwynn hit like that b/c that was the best way for him to successfully get on base. Not everyone is a HR hitter. Some guys must slap the ball around, steal bases, etc. in order to create some offense. It was understood that there were different kinds of hitters. Now everyone comes up to the plate like they’re Dave-fucking-Kingman and tries to either K/BB/HR. That approach makes even the good HR hitters boring b/c EVERYONE has the same approach.
Ok, so that’s a good segue to the shift. I understand it’s the smart thing to do and I don’t think it should be banned. What should be banned are hitters who don’t adjust and keep swinging away into the shift. Say what you want about pre-analytics baseball, but those guys would’ve immediately adjusted. Especially, on these ridiculous over-shifts they would’ve just bunted the ball down the baseline and taken the automatic base. Now, analytics people would whine about that, yet they’re ok w/ walking all the time. What’s the difference? In both cases the hitter is being given a base. And by bunting (or adjusting your approach to hitting) you force the other team to stop shifting and you’re back to traditional baseball.
I totally agree w/ you about the pussification of starting pitching and relief pitchers wasting time. I don’t know about the 3-hitter rule but I do know that the way managers use relief pitching has gone backwards in some way. This over-specialization and how certain guys can only pitch certain innings or in certain situations is stupid. Back in the day your top reliever wouldn’t just come pitch the 9th, you’d bring him in when the situation was at it’s worst b/c he was the best you had. That’s why they used to be called “firemen.” Now, you’ll have men at 1st and 3rd and one out and the manager will bring out his 3rd best reliever b/c it’s not time for the set-up man much less the closer. Shouldn’t you bring in the “ace” of the bullpen? As for the starting the 9th inning, if you can’t get 3 outs w/out giving up 3 or more ERs then you shouldn’t be in MLB.
As for the popularity of the NFL, you can rationalize all you want but the fact is that in my father’s lifetime baseball was the most popular sport in America and its stars were far more well known than any NFL player. Now, 99% of the public couldn’t pick Mike Trout out of a police lineup. Perhaps the NFL was destined to eventually take the top spot, but that didn’t mean MLB had to fall this low
Or when the batters piss and moan about the strike zone while umps are attacked verbally game after game and the league does NOTHING to combat it. Look at all the ejections the past few years.....all an act and "look at me" moment to excite the fans when in reality it's pathetic. Ya...umps make mistakes......but nearly everyone called out on a strike 3 have to question it at the plate while arguing with the umps. Good....cancel it all.....who cares.
Baseball has already been canceled in my household thanks to Rob Manfred. Free runner on 2nd base in extra innings??? Are you kidding me??? Totally delegitimizes the previous 9 innings. Can't wait until a pitcher or pitchers have a perfect game going into the 10th inning, yet there's now a magically-appearing runner on 2nd base. Moron.
MVP Baseball 2005 was my favorite game back in the day. I always wondered who "Anthony Friese" was, wow
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I'm at the point where I literally do want them to cancel the season. That will wake the owners and players asses up to realize that their sport is dying and fans are being turned away in droves.
I'm with you. It's time to show these rigged pro sports leagues who REALLY calls the shots around here; the fans. If the powers-that-be are constantly rigging games for the sake of gambling or low-balling player salaries, they aren't even games anymore. I wish we could all work together to boycott the MLB/NFL/NBA, to hit them where it hurts.
Not to mention that maybe they will realize just how good of a thing they have. One thing that irritates me is the seemingly utter lack of gratitude from either the players or owners about either being able to play this game for too money, or being able to own a team.
Perhaps a hit in the pocketbook will open their eyes. Then again, maybe monkeys will fly out of my rear. I'm not at all optimistic.
@@DaDitka Agreed but owners pay their salaries.
I would not give in and threaten to cancel entire season. Owners need to stop with ridiculous contracts, especially for pitchers. They don't even play every day and no longer pitch complete games. I would not give in to players demands after giving them enough already.
Let them go out to the real world and see how it goes.
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I fully agree with the players wanting shorter free agency times. Always thought 7 yrs was way to long.
I remember when Josh Donaldson won MVP at 29 but was getting paid like 3 mil cause he only had a few years of service time
@Brian T technically yes but it's often manipulated to basically being 7
It's absurd and a relic of the distant, segregated past. Completely agree.
@RedArc We the fans (which I am NO longer)...are the ones paying their ridiculously hefty salaries by paying an outrageous price for cheap seats and $8 for one beer. Why defend these overpaid bums?
@@middlefinger1565 why defend the billionaire owners? You're right we pay their salaries and if the owners paid them less they would just make more money for themselves.
It is hard to think MLB would recover if 2022 is canceled. It's already having difficulty drawing young fans also lost some during 2020, the only advantage MLB has is there's no other major sport going on from Mid-June through end of August.
MLB already put their foot in it...when it took a knee to BLM and the Woke Culture. If you went to the games during this dark period...you have no one to blame but yourself for its downward spiral.
Well MLS does that too but yeah compared to them idk
@@middlefinger1565 tell me you're racist without telling me
@@joestack1222 I'm only racist against highly racist and violent BLM...who cares only about certain black lives...the lives of career criminals. Obtw...did you enjoy that highly ridiculous new documentary series on Showtime...titled "Everything's Gonna Be All White" 🤷♂🤷♂🤦♂🤦♂?!
@@middlefinger1565 awww man keep digging a deeper hole man
I hope they start airing KBO games on ESPN after this
Yep, also expect MiLB on some TV too.
Also don’t be surprised if MLS capitalized on this MLB absence.
I think your history of labor negotiations grossly misrepresented that history. MLB has a unique legal status in the US that allows the league to dodge federal anti-trust laws. Free agency didn't exist until the early 70's when SCOTUS finally decided that some monpolistic behavior the MLB did was illegal. Salaries skyrocketed relative to where they started, but those salaries started near the median national household income at the HIGHEST level of baseball. Owners were "losing" through the 90's in the sense that they were being forced to abide by more (but not all) of the federal laws governing labor that every other business in the country follows.
Also, the league is not legally required to remove player likenesses from their websites. This is shown by the league continuing to sell merchandise bearing player names and likeness. The league does not license player likeness from the MLBPA because the MLB never negotiated away that right.
So does the mlbpa or MLB license rights for video game rights
@@666jt Both. That's why your copy of MLB the Show has an official MLB logo and an MLBPA logo. For baseball cards, Topps had both licenses, but the MLBPA also licensed their rights to Panini.
Well said!
Do u know why they tooke their pictures down from the site ?
@@not_jon_vendi It's not clear, but it seems like a tactic meant to draw attention to the lockout. MLB probably wants people to conclude that the MLBPA is so petty/greedy as to not allow MLB to show the likeness of players on their website during the work stoppage. They want to turn popular sentiment against the players like they did in '95.
As someone who's currently playing baseball and wants to sign in MLB one day, this is absolutely horrible to hear. Knowing baseball may never be the same as it used to be scares me
@Thomas Cavanaugh If you followed the Seattle Mariners like I have for the past 20 years, then you already know how demoralizing it is to see a team reinvent itself only to fall flat on its face.
@Thomas Cavanaugh I'm 25 and I haven't played since little league. I just got signed onto an MLB team as a shortstop for 240k a year. You should try out I did and I got in because I told them "baseball has problems. I'm here to solve them. I can bat, I can catch. I know my way around a mitt. Give me a chance coach." And he did. He gave me a choice of positions.
I honestly feel like baseball is going to make a HUGE come back in the next decades
Well, I stopped watching baseball for 7 years back in 1994 with that ridiculous strike. If it happens again this season, I'll be done with the MLB.
My Tigers finally signed an AS level shortstop and looked like they might show the promise they were building up last year and then this happens :(
I’m a padres fan but I’m really excited to see what the tigers do after signing Eduardo Rodriguez and Javy Baez
I’m a huge tigers fan too but in my opinion this could possibly be the worst time ever to be good in 2020 and 2021 the playoffs and world series just didn’t seem the same in my opinion and it just seems like it going down hill I’m so happy that we’re signing good free agents and our good prospect are have an impact at the big league level but scared it could be wrong time
I used to be a Tigers fan. But 2006- 2014 seasons just took too much out of me. I just bet $ on the games now. No favorite team.
Everything about Detroit is pissing me off this year
All snow storms avoid us; yet the temperatures stay below freezing constantly. I want to beat Mother Nature
Lions always do bad and then win the last games so they won’t get a first round pick. Their future looks promising. However, they will probably find a way to screw up
Pistons sign Cade Cunningham and we were excited. Of course, we are the second worst team in the league
Tigers sign amazing recruits and then this BS happens
Redwings seems to be really improving and is the only team with a winning record as of today
Local Detroit area baseball show here! We will have a season eventually and Miggy will get 3000! Just might not happen until June.
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Your work is extremely thorough and complex yet very easy to understand. Hands down by far, the best sports short documentaries. Thank you.
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Please don't expand the playoff format.
Why not???
I think an expanded playoffs would be great for baseball.
@@davidharrison7014 How so?
@@homerj.simpson7562 More exciting games to watch, and more revenue for the teams and their owners.
Players and owners will whether you like it or not, question is will it be 12 teams or 14 teams.
One of the issues you have is varying types of owners/markets while players are in same group more or less. That's a major impact on negotiating
Fitting that between the two strikes(1994 and 2022) that the Braves were the first and last team to win the World Series
0:15 in & I already had my Heart ripped out. I really wanted too see the Jays do good in this new season but the lockout is going to screw us out of a great season of baseball
All the free agents leaving is too :( No more Semien
@@edanlewis5831 meh that’s not as bad as this, Marcus got the 💰 I’m happy for him
Same with my mariners
It’s gonna drag on but you will get a season. Might not start until May is all.
Happened to The "Guardians" in 1994.
Thank god this video aged horribly.
While i typically side with players over owners on pro sports disputes, playing without a salary cap/luxury tax is bad for the sport. If there's no league limit on spending, the only limit becomes the revenue a team has to spend, and thus the teams which make the most money sign all the best players and they win year after year, gaining more fans because people want to cheer for a winning team, and thus securing more money to sign all the best players with. As an extreme example, look at Formula 1, in which Mercedes has won the constructors championship 8 years in a row, and in the last 50 years there have been 14 multi-year winning streaks by one team, compared to only 6 instances of a team winning a single season and not winning the next. Granted, success for a team in F1 is determined by a lot more than just money to hire the best drivers, but it still stands, spending as much as you have creates uncompetitive sports where you can safely assume the winner before the season even starts. Having a salary cap that all teams can afford to spend to reduces the skill gap between teams making for more interesting games and seasons. But, the salary cap and league minimum salary should be high enough that players are compensated fairly for what they contribute to the sport.
Exactly, baseball not having a salary cap is terrible. Baseball not having a salary floor is also terrible.
Wow, you both sound like commies. A salary cap in any sport is totally unamerican. Revenue sharing is unamerican. We constantly see small market teams that don't spend nearly as much as the big markets make title runs. Baseball was at the height of it's popularity when there were juggernauts dominating. In fact, most sports do better in terms of viewership when there are juggernauts and aren't leagues filled with mediocrity.
Ending the salary cap would actually make things more competitive in my opinion. In closing, all a salary cap does is further enrich the owners at the detriment of the talent. Take LeBron James for example. As much as I dislike him, he's criminally underpaid (by his NBA teams) specifically due to the salary cap.
@@BlyGuy here's the other thing about removing the salary cap; it's not gonna equal higher pay for most players, especially in a game like baseball. Admittedly, I don't follow baseball closely, but as I understand it pitchers are considered the most valuable position to a team, and have a large pay gap between a good pitcher and a good outfielder. I seriously doubt that removing a salary cap will do much of anything for the pay of outfielders, unless they're also like, top 10 hitters or something. Which in most sports the "less important" positions actually make up most of the players. Which is where a league minimum salary comes in. So you would think the players association would be wanting to look out for the majority of players, and thus be focussing on upping the league minimum salary.
@@BlyGuy A salary cap is unAmerican? You do realize the two most popular sports in the USin football and basketball both have a salary cap right? Hockey has a salary cap. Even the MLS has a salary cap. Its the only soccer league in the world with a salary cap, precisely because its an american thing. Salary caps create parity. Without it, small market teams just become minor league teams for the the big markets who sign every superstar the moment they become a free agent. WIth salary caps, even small market teams can give big contracts. And how the hell is Lebron underpaid? The man can get whatever price he wants. He doesnt because he wants to win. The NBA lets any team give max contracts to their players.
@@Slayer8957 The salary cap suppresses the earning potential of the biggest stars, which is not capitalism and unamerican. Why do you want more money going to the owners and not the talent? Economists have done the math in terms of what players like LeBron are actually worth and at the height of his popularity, LJ should have been earning somewhere around $75 million a year from just his NBA contract, but b/c of the bullshit salary cap, the owners get to make more at the detriment of the top players.
I also don't agree that the salary cap creates parity. That's a ruse the owners use and have gotten you to believe to suppress player contracts. In the NBA, the salary cap has led to super teams repeatedly forming. Without a cap, those super teams are more unlikely.
Back in 94 the slogan I remember was “the billionaires vs the millionaires.” Honestly I’m dissatisfied with both sides. Ticket and concession prices are ridiculous all because of the high salaries. People wake up, it’s a game that people get rich off of. It’s simply just entertainment. I’m tired of all of it. During natural disasters and crisis, we need real workers and real skills from people that don’t even get a fraction of what these overpaid entertainers get yet are risking their very lives.
A lot of the low level guys aren't really millionaires (at least in the 90s), but I take the point, they're pretty comfortable. But I'm not sure player salaries are driving the costs. If you froze the players salaries, you'd change nothing. The owners will charge what the market will bear, not what's "fair". If they can keep charging more and more every year, they will. Players at least pay a higher tax rate, so I'd rather it went to them. Maybe those billionaires should pay more tax too, but that's another conversation.
Oh good, another person who has absolutely zero clue how free market capitalism works.
Why do sports players make so much money? Because that's what the market pays them. There are few of them, therefore the demand is higher.
Why do firefighters, nurses, and teachers make less? Because that's what the market pays them. There are many of them, therefore the demand is lower.
That's just how the free market works. You don't want the sports players making so much money? Convince every person to never go to a game, never watch it on TV, never buy the merchandise. All of a sudden, they won't make nearly as much because you aren't giving them your money.
Watch on tv?
@@ryanchase9332 if you genuinely hold the belief that we operate in a free market here in the US then im afraid you don't understand either my friend lol
I feel you 100% on this. This goes with every other sport too. Same with Hollywood.. F 'em all.
It's sad to me, but I need to work on myself and find other pursuits. Blessing in disguise that my team changed its name to the gUarDianS 🤢 🤮. Perfect time to leave the sport forever.
That MMA video (2:35) with the ‘player’ teeing off on the league, then Manfred holding up the ‘MLB’s’ arm as the winner was pure gold!
Channel name has never been so true :(
But on the positive side of things, Braves winning the World series was the last game before this mess happened, and thats a SUPER high note!
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As much as I'd like to see MLB work out its labor problems, if they can't get it solved and put a product out there on the field, SO WHAT?
I lost respect for MLB when the Houston Astros cheated to win a world series and nothing was done to strip the team of the title. Not to mention ridiculous salaries (for playing with a ball mind you), steroid abuse, ticket prices, concessions and on and on.
The final nail in the coffin for me, personally, will be the institution of the DH in the national league. Once that happens my 30+ years of loving MLB baseball will come to an end.
@@naciremasti Bye lmao
Man I used to be a big baseball fan not so much now. I still enjoy it here and there but your videos are amazingly entertaining to watch. makes me miss the old days of baseball
Just got into the mlb last season, it was great, loved the craziness of the regular season and the postseason was so weird in the best way, and now I won't be seeing more until next year, cmooon bruh
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So it's all about money and not the game. I side with the players on most of the issues. Does the time to free agency really need to be reduced? If it does, it can hurt small market teams that will lose their players faster. It would definitely hurt the Athletics.
I've lost faith that there will be an MLB season this year. To think we almost didn't have a season 2 years ago.
Look how long it took the NHL to come back after losing a season to a lockout
NHL learned their lesson too not just getting their shit together during the Covid break and creating a fun playoff but also deciding to get that CBA done for several more years in the process. Both sides worked together by having some of the player’s salaries in escrow so their teams wouldn’t be broke and in return they get that money back later with interest. (I know it’s a bit more complicated with than that but that’s why it’s impressive they got it done because in the past they would’ve lost a season and a half.)
@@freeparking301 NHL is now having a cultural problem between the owners and players in the near future after hearing what’s going on and people haven’t talked about it
@@therealjaystone2344 That’s certainly true. We all knew about the pill popping culture for years. As a Flyers fan I got to see Carter and Richards zooted out of their minds on the bench along with the rumors of them sniffing oxys at frat parties and beach houses down at the Jersey Shore. Players don’t magically skate on a broken foot days after it happened without some heavy duty help. And of course we have the Blackhawks scandal which the NHL would like all of us to forget ever happened.
Looking forward to new rules that benefit the game , and also want the players to return happy and ready to play ball
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Lifelong hockey fan here, casual on and off baseball viewer. Getting into this channel has been a really interesting insight into a sport I don't know much about.
One thing that boggles my mind is the amount of grudges that are held for the silliest of reasons. Like, the Major League players strike, so you, a Minor Leaguer, are called up to play in the majors. And for some reason, thats a negative that you carry with you your wholr career? What? If any player in the AHL or even the ECHL was given an opportunity to play in the NHL, for any reason, they'd do it, and I'm sure they wouldn't be ostrasized for it.
That petty aspect of this sport really confuses me, but also makes it more interesting honestly.
Rob manfred is the problem. Commissioners need to protect the interests of the sport, not the owners
well hes paid by the owners sooo ya thats not gonna happen. that SHOULD be how it works though
No, the commissioner is entirely only there to protect owners interest
Commissioner works for the owners not the sport. Hey hire him not baseball.
Bud selig was an owner still serving as a commissioner
Owners pay the commissioner to represent them, that’s his job.
Why can’t the best teams from all over the world create a super league at this point . Have the best teams from the us , Mexico, Japan , and etc play each other. It could be a win win . Not only that , it expands the game and popularity.
the best mexican team is mebbe aaa lvl. ditto japan. drop a bit for korea, venezula, dominica, phillipines. any otha place that even has organized leagues [europe? snicker] is low minors. @ best.
I have no problems with the length of a game. It's the length of the season that should be addressed. Why do we need 162 games?
Also, I'd like to see more diversity in schedules. Facing the same four teams over and over again for half the season gets very repetitive / boring very quickly. As a Blue Jays fan I'd like to see teams other than NYY/BOS/TB/BAL more often.
Just subbed, good content and keep up the great work. I’ve been watching these non stop too
0:35 I'll keep saying this: Enforce Rule 8.04, and give umpires postseason assignments based on how quickly they move games along.
Here is a story about Bud Selig, the old commissioner. I was a kid, about 10 years old back in the 90's and I went to a Brewers game at County stadium with my Dad and his friends. When we were leaving, we are trying to get autographs from players who were coming out and heading to their cars (A lot of them stopped and signed a bunch of balls/items for people, even the Texas Rangers players like Pudge Rodriguez and Juan Gonzalez) One guy that wouldn't stop was Bud Selig. My Dad's friend knew who he was and started heckling him and yelling drunken insults at him. He came back about 5 minutes later and walked up to us, he had a box full of baseballs, he came up to me and gave me a ball and signed it, then he stood there chatting with my Dad and his friends for a while. Turned out he was a good guy, a lot better than most people think he is
Whaaaa?!
I would almost take a strike if it meant Manfred was gone and never heard from again.
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Same
he will just be replaced with another puppet. Roger Goodell? Gary Bettman? Every league has this boss. There's no hero coming through that door. They do not exist. This is the best there is to offer. Selfish players, selfish owners. Everyone is selfish.
Players didn't strike, owners locked them out.
Personally I’d like if my team could compete more then once every 7-10 yrs and rebuilding the rest. They’re all worried about putting money in their pockets then producing a good product. You lose interest and watch a whole lot less baseball when you know at the start of the season that your team sucks…again. Maybe focus on improving the game instead of worrying about pitch count.
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@@douganthony6424 I read messages with bad grammar and don’t feel the need to correct. I get it, it gets under your skin. Thank you for pointing out how much smarter you is then I is.
@@Coda-jj you're welcome
Petition to replace every major sport commissioner with Adam Silver
its getting harder and harder to defend baseball. i love baseball and that baseball has a long season. somthin to watch on tv or live everyday. but adding more playoff teams is a joke.
That's why I primarily support independent leagues now, like the Atlantic League
And this is why I am becoming more of a fan of Strat-o-Matic.
At least the owners and players do what they do best- play and shut up. Lol
My interest in Baseball was already waning even before the COVID shortened season. But this whole mess actually drove me to do something, I though I would never do as an American, I started watching Cricket. and ya know what? I actually kinda like it.
I haven't watched a baseball game in years; I live in Atlanta and only watched a few innings of the series last year. I'm really fed up with both sides. There's a whole lot more to life than baseball. We're hearing owners and players argue over millions and billions of dollars while the government in Washington is putting us in debt for trillions. I think it's time to put things in perspective.
I recommend lacrosse. My grandfather and father were baseball and soccer prodigies. I ended up playing football bc i loved physicality and was a natural at baseball. But baseball was boring to me and i was introduced to lacrosse. I havent looked back since. It is just a beautiful sport and u should give it a chance.
@@samtexsemtex6998 I've tried Lacrosse in the past, and it wasn't for me. The problem is that in a huge hockey fan as well, and it will never be replaced. If I want Physicality I can go watch hockey. Oh, and I've also given up on NFL as well, so now I watch Rugby and Australian Football instead.
@@normanwhite6677 the only thing that was great about last season was Atlanta winning the world series. That was poetic justice, for how the leave screwed them out of the All-Star Game.
I refuse to watch the MLB ever since the Astros cheating scandal, (I was an Astros fan) ever since the scandal the other 29 fanbases will never shut up about it, they find every opportunity to make fun of the Astros, calling them cheaters, throw trash cans at them, make trash can jokes, etc. They need to get over it and let it go… But that sadly will not happen because they don’t want to…
This really didnt age well...baseball will play a full 162 game season
Generally I look at what the players want and realize that I'm on the owners side regarding the rules, except for the playoffs more playoff games would be a disaster
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pitch clock would be epic
Baseball desperately needs a salary cap to add parity to the League. The other sports in the Big 4 have a salary cap and it works. You're not going to get higher salaries without adding in a cap floor which means a cap ceiling as well.
@@maxpowr90 players will never agree to this. They don't even want a luxury tax
@@walker1984 They want to raise the luxury tax. The reality is, if they want players to get paid more, they need a salary cap to institute a cap floor. When my Red Sox have a payroll 10x that of the Pirates, that's not competitive at all.
It's as if these owners are trying to reduce the value of their franchises
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Based on what I know of baseball internationally the MLB getting marginalized will NOT kill the sport, although the legitimacy of the "Major League" and "World Series" titles would be nuked (they got a pass before because they have most of the best players in the world). Unlike seemingly most fans I give MLB a long leash for reasons that probably contradict my values, but even for me they are getting close enough to the end of it that I'm considering trying to watch leagues outside the US (probably mainly NPB because they're the most competitive from an athletic point of view and I'm a weeb). If any fans reading this are torn between wanting to boycott and not wanting to give up the sport that's also an option for you, if you can figure out where to look.
There will be missed games, a small minority of owners only rely on their teams for money, so many of them owning a team is just a hobby. So they have no incentive not to screw the players over and miss games
11:45 "league and owners are making more money but players are not"
thats basically going on everywhere right now. corporations and billionaires making insane profits while wages have stagnated for the last 2 decades. just a little hard to care about millionaire MLB players making a little less money while the general populous is suffering.
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Bad for everyone. The casual fan that the league desperately needs is going to look at this and see millionaires who play a game for a living and billionaiers who sit in a suite and watch a game for a living squabbling over pennies and walk away in disgust. Obviously not the whole story, but it doesn't matter.
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Players should have went on a strike right before the playoffs. Players make most of their money during the regular season. The league depends on the national tv money from Fox, ESPN and TBS. Those tv stations make most of their money during the playoffs and would force the MLB to capitulate to player demands.
It might have made MLB capitulate but it also would have made many in the public (especially in Atlanta and other cities that had teams in the playoffs) hate them forever.
You know what I love? A 2.5 hour baseball game. You know what I hate? A 3.5 hour baseball game.
And while you’re trying (failing) to make it interesting, max two throws to any baserunner during an at bat. If you don’t get him out on try 2 he can essentially walk to the next base. Make basestealing great again and actually interesting.
Owners: sign players to hilarious 300 mil contracts
Owners: ya see it's just too expensive to have a baseball team now
Owners: why would the players do this
Between the COVID season and this likely shortened/cancelled season, some of these great players are having the prime years of their careers ripped out from under them. It’ll be a shame that it could cost some of them the Hall of Fame. The owners and union should be ashamed of themselves.
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For real. I’m a huge trout fan and this hurts because he’s missing out on possible 40 home runs to add onto his total. He has already missed a lot of games due to the 60 game season.
I get this is frustrating but both-sidesing it like this will only ever help the owners. Ultimately, they're the ones stifling the growth of the league. Anti-player sentiment after the strike in '94 really killed popularity of the league for a good chunk of years. It'd be a shame if the owners weaponize that again.
@@tobertitus Both sides are tone deaf, but the players are even more so than the owners. The players union (and individual responses) in the middle of the 2020 fiasco showed they cared nothing about the world around them, the plight of people in their communities, nothing. Baseball cannot exist long-term without fans buying tickets, buying merchandise, etc. The owners don't care enough about that because most of them make their money from other businesses. Players? They cannot exist without the fans 100%, yet they never try to get the general public on their side.
Manfred is not good for baseball, but Tony Clark is even worse.
Waaah waaah waaah. .
Great video! Can tell you put time into it, it was very well done and very informative
I'm surprised the players are advocating against luxury tax and profit sharing... those are the only things even trying to keep some form of parity in the league. Making it so big market teams really can spend to their hearts' desires would just create even greater stratification between players' salaries (those that are in big markets and those that are not) and arguably could reduce the earnings potential of most players as their teams go longer and longer without being competitive because the big markets cement their dominance.
But Tampa Bay continually beats the yanks n Sox. N gimme a break these owners are all billionaires n they're printing more $ every year. I'm a tigers fan n watching inherited 10 time billionaire Chris illitch pinch pennies the last few years is obnoxious. The more u spend the better your team, the better your team the more fans n longer u get to play, which means more money for the owner.
Revenue sharing simultaneously creates an incentive for small market teams not to try. The Pirates management is perfectly happy getting their check at the end of every season they finish last. And as Josh said, all teams, no matter the market, are flush with cash. Owners that are cheap, that cry poor, make no effort to improve their team or stadiums or listen to the fanbase, are doing that by choice. Not because they're trapped in a small market or anything. They're billionaires.
@@joshlewis575 You realize owners being *worth* billions doesn’t mean they *possess* billions. Most of that value is in the team itself and they can’t just drop tons of money whenever “Josh Lewis” thinks it’s valid.
@ josh Lewis when you can write like an adult ill read your post.
@@joshlewis575 you do realize the reason Tampa bay can stay competitive is because of the revenue sharing and luxury tax. If the luxury tax is gone nothing is going to stop the big market team to steal players from teams like Tampa.
man, you know how messed up that was for ken to lose his job. that man would do triple what manfred did in half the time, and still write all his articles
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This gives a whole new meaning to “baseball doesn’t exist”
I'm looking for the season to start in June. There will definitely be a season in 2022.
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Do an episode on the fall of Montreal due to the '94 strike, pretty please.
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Fans send multi-millions of dollars to MLB every year. Fans buy the tickets and the merchandise. Fans pay a cable bill to watch MLB. Fans fill the stands and make the noise that inspires the players. (remember the cardboard cut-outs at the pandemic games? How fun was that?) So, my question is: WHY don't FANS have a seat at the TABLE?? We have a stake in what goes inhere and we have invested our time, passion and energy into this game and our team. We deserve to have a say whether there is going to be a season, don't we? We're here waiting and watching rich creeps divvy up the bucks and maybe change the game with no say in the matter.
This could be the perfect storm where fans use socal media to organization their own union and put pressure on both players and owners to make going to a game cheaper than a movie with free parking
That would be way-cool. Enjoy!
u havent held a actual wage earnin job hav u?
@@rvog6584 not where my work is paid by people that spend hard earned money to see me play
@@MrBentheretwo wel, mlb hasn't cared bout Joe q. Fan in a long time. Sadly, their revenue is as much driven by network contracts & the like. (Bonus fun -- a work stoppage kills the value of those as wel!!)
@@rvog6584 I agree which is why they can afford to give everyone a chance to go to a game without spending a hundred dollars or more trust me if fans put up a big enough stink advertising is going to be gum shy of spending big bucks towards baseball and that's just the thing that will scare owners
Great video! Love the historical side you showed and how it leads up to all this mess. Really drives the point home of why these sides are so at odds with each other rn
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I like how everything turned out completely fine lmao
Hope this situation ends soon. I would love to watch the Rays make an attempt to go to the world series
I would love to watch my O's make an attempt to win 60 games.
@@dcxxxx for real 😭😭😭
I see the pitch clock as a minor issue, I rather see a pitch take 40 seconds to throw, you can reset the clock just by holding a running on base and it adds a little more speed to a game, look at basketball the shot clock was implemented so that teams would stop passing the ball around once they had the lead.
I’m completely fine with the pitch clock. But not ok with a DH in the national league.
@@adamlynch9153 I'm done if they bring the DH into the NL. It's a different game, and I've never been able to get into AL ball.
@@mfallen6894 I know I don’t even care about the American League at all really
Baseball won't be cancelled. Too many people have too much lose if they don play. Greed wins out over principle in sports, every time.
When is Manfred going to cancel his membership at Augusta National in Georgia? For political reasons he moved the all-star game from a city with 50% minority business ownership, Atlanta, to a city with 7% minority business ownership, Denver.
Who gives a fuck
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People who have more than 2 brain cells to rub together, that's who.
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I was definitely pulling for the Braves in the world series.
thats adorable u r askin 4 consistency from an organization tryin 2 pander 2 various special interests ...
Owners lost 1 billion - Players lost 300 million
28 owners - 728 players
I think I found a big part of the problem
For every single person in the comments thinking that the players are paid too much: if you are the absolute, undisputable best in the world in a certain craft, AND create billions of dollars in revenue for your boss, it is only fair that you get compensated considerably better than the average Joe. It's the same (if pro sports are not more lenient) for any other professions out there really.