Kramnik vs Jospem | Game that ignited Chess Cheating Controversy!!
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- Опубликовано: 13 дек 2024
- Magnus Carlsen Titled Tuesday (8th November, 2023)
Magnus gets completely busted 2900 rated opponent
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"Let's hope I'll get some easier opponents like Magnus maybe". That's too funny.
😂
It would be so funny if it wasn't so sad
😂😂
so sad and regreatable actually
Few days later after playing against Magnus: Okay let's do the procedure
Lol you can say what you want about Kramnik but the Magnus line at the end was funny af, dude definitely has a sense of humor
Okay, let's do the procedure.
LOL
No procedure? I am disappointed.
I believe Kramnik is a lot better in chess, but in online chess he is actually bad. He is very slow, but strong. Slow and strong. Meanwhile his opponents are not as strong, I believe, but they are a LOT quicker. Like in this match, it says it is 3 minutes vs 3 minutes, but in reality, I think Kramnik lost like 30-45 sec because he was WAY too slow. All this time waste makes Kramnik lose against weaker opponents. Combine this with the actual cheaters, and now the 'crusade' from Kramnik. It results in a situation, where people with less ELO beat him, because he is too slow. And at the same time, he complains it is because of cheating, thanks to the actual cheaters. The reality is that Kramnik has two or actually three issues now: First, it was the occasional cheaters. Second it was the slow play, so he started to blame the faster players of cheating. And now the third one is that everyone wants to cheat against Kramnik for lulz.
One of the things that says Kramnik is very slow is that he almost never gains any time even with +1 sec increment. It is because he almost never premoves, which is a very bad and slow habit.
The thing is, even in his age with this slow play, he is still rated around 3000 in blitz. Just shows you, he is actually pretty strong, on the same level as these super gms.
thanks for your expert opinion
@@MrOpen2012 Alot of 2500 Fide players have around same 3k elo,so he is not rly strong online.
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Nah man, looking at his placements he's not a good chess player.
Good ole Kramnik Click-Click
He even said himself that he made a terrible blunder. Why is his opponent cheating for seeing it?
I like the sound his mouse makes when clicking. It's a slow, heavy sound, very solid, at least compared to other chess streamers whose mouses have a lighter sound, or maybe it sounds that way because of the speed at which they play, which is obviously faster than Kramnik's.
His mouse sounds like the old good days 😅
@@Пятница-ю7ц maybe he even has ball in his mouse instead of light sensor
He probably bought his mouse while in high school
@@ChessTube100 His career really started in the early 90s. I don't think they even had mice back then, did they?
Kramnik does fumble with the mouse. If you added up all the time he loses just making his moves, it would be a lot.
He has obviously read the masterpiece: “How to cry like a GM”.
Turtle Tuesday
Lmao
Let's hope he learns about drag and drop someday.
there's one problem with a drag'n'drop way of moving pieces, when you accidentally release your piece not finishing the move, so I can understand Kramnik's way, he probably wants to be 100% sure his piece reaches the final square.
@@jyxxapeltonen1103dragging is 2x faster than clicking especially when you get used to it. you cant just play blitz without knowing how to drag
If the clock is under 1 hour, Kramnik has a bad time.
He pizza’d when he should’ve french fry’d
This guy drives me crazy! He’s so damn slow. It physically hurts to watch how bad his mouse and computer skills are. Dudes like a 80 year old trapped in a 50 year olds body.
Why is he surprised that actual Professional Blitz players are better than him? On that point isn’t this dude higher rated than him Blitz online and OTB?
yes, around 40 points higher otb and online
When you bacome old learning become much harder his first time playing online in his +30 and he is not playing a lot so his physical skills will be bad even young players like gukesh are slow and need a lot of practice when it come to online chess and speed chess he already +3000 .kramnik is right about cheating online I do it and never get banned the only way to catch me when I play game with +95 with a lot of moves or playing alot of game with +90 accuracy which is too high to my level . So how can you catch someone when he already will play most of his game with +90 accuracy sometimes only looking to evaluation will make you win. kramnik mistake is assume someone with cheating when there is no way to know the truth he know that but he can't tell anymore if his opponents are clean this is psychological thing.
you can tell the refresh rate of his mouse and/or screen is absolute dogshit. like a computer from early 2000 or something. comical
@@mosh1935 i agree. these top players play 90+ games all the time even OTB, including kramnik himself... most definitely psychological
loads of nonsense
Kramnik is a living meme.
Honestly I thought it was just Kramnik talking gibberish all this time, but after yesterday's grudge match, you can see that Jospem plays like an elite player online, however OTB he is an average GM, still quite strong, but not at the same level as 2800 players
He should get fined for false accusations. He basically accuses of cheating to everybody who kicks his butt.
Don't forget that he is involved in the toilet gate in 2006. Dude literally got caught cheating and still shows no sign of embarrassment, instead he accused others
@@Everythingbland321no he didn’t get caught cheating, it was bogus accusations with zero evidence by Topalov’s coach. Everyone thought it was ridiculous.
Kramnik even forfeited a game “out of principal” because he didn’t want to continue to play the matches after the allegations. They eventually came to an agreement with Kramnik and Topalov and he played the games under the new stipulations and still beat him easily.
I get it you don’t like Kramnik but it’s not right to spread malicious lies like that.
You’re complaining about what Kramnik has been doing and you just did the exact same thing…
Why would all these top chess players only cheat against Kramnik?
I think (if they do cheat) they cheat against most non-streaming or less popular GMs to avoid suspicion, so we don’t see Hikaru losing against them but we may see somebody like Hansen losing.
They do not cheat lol stop getting influenced by this mental ill guy
Coz hes crying baby none cheat there
@@АртурПолич-у5гand who are you to chess?
Kramnik sucks!!! He had a run now it’s over !
Kramnick isn’t as strong when he can’t go to the bathroom 20 times per game. Interesting…
Not watching this, let's do the procedure
Kramnik clicked so many times in the wrong squares while trying to grab a piece, also no pre-move at all and taking so much time durin relatively not critical positions. Of course he's gonna lose lol
Nice speed and plan by Jospem. The first 12 moves or so were amazing - blitzed out.
Yes the guy is stronger than Magnus when no one can see them
Kramnik's mouse skills effectively give time odds to his opponents
The game looked absolutely normal and actually Black played rather impressively until he lost the thread with Rf4 Rh4 and so on.
Ok let’s invent a procedure for this.
91% is what most 2k elo playes have in 3min games. Lol XD
You can't really compare tho, scoring 91% against a 2000 is very different from 91% against a former world champ.
@@Goatz99 agree because accuracy also depends on who you are playing
@@Goatz99Doesn’t make a difference, both of the are at the same level in online blitz
@@Goatz99 Engine score simply tells you how close to the perfect game were you. Secondly for short format like 3min its not how good move you can make, but can you find it in 5-10sec. Hence the GM strenght is not everything here as he developed his skills decades ago. Google the guy who beats low level Stockfish in 30sec bullet games. Surely he would stomped Kramnik in hyper bullet but he would loose in 90min format. See my point?
@@JoeJD10 In a match between 2000 elo players, the accuracy will be more forgiving due to the high number of mistakes, blunders etc, whereas a match between 3000s the performance distribution is much tighter. For the 2000 elo player, 91% implies relatively fewer optimal moves but enough to achieve this score due to the high number of mistakes. For the 3000 elo player, 91% implies exceptionally precise play. The higher the elo of your opponent, the more challenging it will be to maintain high accuracy.
if he would play standard time the issue would dissapear but online he would never trust the opponent for not using stockfish for playing him, even with standard chess time games, and you cant play blitz or faster time games without premove AND HE NEVER PREMOVES.. then no wonder you get on time deficit
Kramnik was just worse when he lost the a pawn
The point is that Kramnik is evaluating his opponent with prejudices in base, and he is totally biased. If he was more neutral in his assestments, he saw that he spent more time in making his move, and he made more critical errors than his opponent.
He is a higher class player. And the fact that he is forced to spend more time and make more mistakes indicates that the positions are very complex. It is very strange that a player of a lower level constantly beats him.
It would indeed be interesting if there was a supervised online match between Jospen and Kramnik. Maybe this would at last bring to light, that Kramnik is simply worse at online chess than he is over the board.
It will happen on june 8th. Live from Madrid, Jospem vs Kramnik.
It just happened and jospen destroyed him playing online in the same room as kramnik and it didn't stop kramnik from crying all the time eventhough kramnik make them play 3+2 instead of 3+1 like tittle Tuesdays.
Крамник зевает тактику на уровне 3 разряда, имея 16 секунд. Похоже, что античитинговые расследования имеют обратную корреляцию с уровнем игры.
Похоже, что 4-разрядник завёл профиль на ютубе, чтоб поливать чемпиона говном
@@hellfire_97 не гроссмейстер конечно, но 2300 на Личесе имею. Ты наверняка посильнее будешь
@@val724 наверняка, потому что 2600 на личессе имею
@@hellfire_97 я сегодня 2400 набрал, можешь поздравлять
@@val724 поздравляю). На этом уровне много мастеров тусуется
Why did he not take the pawn on g4 all those times
When it was hanging I mean
@@ExgarPond White goes Ng5:+ and then picks up the bishop on g4, a bishop that black badly needs to cover all the weak white squares. Blacks position would be strategically lost after this trade I suppose. Kramnik understands these things very well.
@@MrMty65 fair enough, thanks
Yep take the pawn. Free pawn to me.
good let this man know about drag and drop
Blunders with 9 seconds on the clock. Opponent with a minute on the clock finds continuation. Wow, shocking.
Kramnick spends multiple seconds per move on moves that he could have pre-moved or had the piece dragged and ready to drop when he knows he’s playing the move most of the time.
So confused why he plays bullet when he barely knows how to use a mouse.
I’m also surprised he doesn’t get accused of cheating, if you play bullet against an opponent who takes a minimum of two seconds on even obvious moves in bullet, that’s pretty sus.
Personally I just chalk it up to him not knowing how to use a computer, but, you shouldn’t throw stones if you live in a glass house as the kids say
Jospem has 2700 in blitz, Kramnik only 2600. Of course Kramnik lost.
Kramnik is 2664 in blitz, at his lowest rating in his career. He was 2700+ in February. He was 2840 in his peak. Jospem peak rating is 2700. Kramnik plays almost always against super famous gms. Jose's most fide games are against unknown chess players. Even if Kramnik is far of his prime years, he's still a former world champion, the one that dethroned Kasparov. Speaking about Kramnik just as he's a random gm is insane.
@@MrBillThunder Was. Not Recent. Kramnik is old so don't compare when he was in his prime and now. In recent years he plays like 2600 not 2800 anymore.
@@MrBillThunder Plus Kramnik never reach top three in TT. But Jospem had many times.
@@zaczakariclips You are obviously Kramnik hater cause you didn't ever bother to search Kramnik tt history. Kramnik has won tt in 2023 even with his terrible mouse skills. Also, just a fact that will annoy you. Do you know how many times José Martinez Alcantara has won over the board against a 2700+ fide blitz player? 0 times. Prove me wrong. Find me 1 game that he won against 2700 rated opponent. Are we really comparing otb Kramnik with him? Kramnik online chess suffers because his mouse skills are pretty much the worst ever. He's like playing with time odds every game.
@@MrBillThunder you obviously Kramnik's worshiper.
Didn't the winner play too fast in the beginning to cheat?
All these players don't cheat
Bro, Kramnik is not saying they are cheating every move..Just in complicated positions they take a few moves from the engine to gain advantage..
Here and there cheating is still cheating..Most that play are already strong players, it's just that with some top moves in critical positions, they can gain 200 elo easily..
Pushing them from 2900 to 3100 or more...
When you are that good, you know how to cheat, to not make it obvious..
@@itamarkornfeld6117they do cheat. He played complete nonsense at the beginning
For a strong player 1 engine move in critical position is enough to win the game. Obviously, Jospem not some random 800 elo dude who need engine for every move.
@@hellfire_97 It's a blitz game and especially against Kramink, speed wins strength.
TIME FOR GRADPA KRAMNIK TO LOW DOWN A LITTLE THAT EGO 🤣🤣🤣
he moves so slow. he cannot compete with young people online
Why was he dancing around with the queen?
Seems like a very afraid way of playing
I was really liking black's dark square bishop there
Крамник заслуживает уважение хотя бы за то, что он практически в одиночку, начал бороться с читерством! Все остальные - невнятные терпилы! )
Shouldn't he also lose respect when he makes false accusations or baseless accusations
Kramnik is a shame for Russians. Russians should not defend him. he makes russians look bad. Russia is the land of the real braves and honest, not sore losers like Kramnik
They looked down upon him because he is south American but they forgot that he came from the great Peru greatest genetic pool in the world. Perú actually means Pure.
Pure crap, all best from Lima!
What crap is this...
@@critical_analysis They looked down on him for being South American, forgetting he came from Peru, home to the world's greatest genetic pool. "Peru" means "Pure."
@@summonersummoner9536 delusional. Time for doc check up
There is no controversy here. Only a sad old man. Jospem plays TT all the time when other GMs are out playing tournaments. Of course he does well.
There are lots of controversy. Now jospem and kramnik is going to play an OTB tournament. If Jospem loses then Kramnik's accusation will become true. Match date 7-9th june,Madrid,Spain.
Agree. But not only Jospem should win, he should win in a similar proportion as he is winning opponents of Kramnik's elo in titled tuesday.
I feel Jospem is going to lose if such an OTB match happens. See the number of engine 1st line moves in the end game. Is it even normal?
Absolutely no controversy. All of the top GMs know that Jospem is very talanted in using some chess bot assistance here and there. But the monopoly sets the rules. The rule is that cheating brings profits for now. So shut up and play. And if you can't, get you ban and be mobbed.
Oh christ just get over it.
Stop paying attention and it'll wither away.
The only sad person is you complaining about an old man
Don’t forget he is 3000(the Kramnik is). He is not nobody
Jospem delay at critical point
Well, yeah. You tend to pause in critical positions. If you don't, you're just shit at chess.
Jospem is number 23 in the world for OTB blitz. He's at the same level as Wei Yi, Mamedyarov, Andreiikin, Vishy Anand, Nihal Sarin: about 60 points, or a couple of good tournaments, from the top 10. He's rated higher than guys like Anish Giri, Pragg, Nordirbek, Ivanchuk, Naroditsky.
It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that he's very, very good in that time control. His current rating is about the same as Kramnik's was *before* he retired in 2019. He's also grown up with online chess, so not only will he be better prepared, but he'll have much faster mouse speed and pattern recognition. Some of his moves were difficult to find, but the speed of his play definitely isn't controversial, and he's got the credentials to back it up.
He should play 10 minutes match, 3 minutes blitz is too fast for him.
Coming from a guy that is involve at toiletgate 2006, this doesn't sound convincing. Ngl kramnik should stop accusing
You do know that Danialov did it throw Kramnik off with psychological games. Only a total idiot would believe he cheated.
this guy needs to install league of legends. he would be epic in bronze 5 on team chat
Oh man, this is actually hard to watch. He's just not keeping up with Time & technology. is he degenerating like B.F.??!
I don't get t? White played a very nice game ad it was a sort of bad Kings Indian all the way through. All pretty standard high level chess. White won nicely enough. ZERO ODD here.
Two times during the video Kramnik admits he blundered, (and lost a rook).
Then he loses on time.
Kramnik is not the best online chess player in the world.
I'll be surprised if he is even in the top 50.
That means there are at least 30 or 40 top level online players who can regularly beat Kramnik.
I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in the June 7 - 9 match between Kramnik and Jospem where a good portion of the games will be played online under conditions where cheating is impossible.
Cayó como un pichón 😂
I sees only normal moves sure guy is outplayed with passing powns... Cramnick need to study modern chess tactics... rather called cheat...level he is playing between 1500-2000 elo...this is my opinion and observation...
Your comment is just funny. You don’t even understand how difficult this position is and how many tactics there are here. This is the type of position where you cannot make even a small mistake, because after that the whole structure collapses. Pure tactics, computer calculation.
ну Владимир Борисович дал фору слона чернопольного , а без фигуры сложновато играть ...
I think he played not a good game. If he analyze the game he see it.
Yes, yes, my dear kramnik, it is not easy to play and not useing WC on every move. Do you remeber the match with Topalov, you cheater?
Re3 by jospem is super sus tbh
Defending the knight to free up the queen. No that's definitely something a GM could find. The configuration looks kind of funny, but the idea is a pretty straightforward one.
Online is very chirer to play game
i root for Kramnik no cap
Cryminik
Kramnik is 100%. Much respect!
Josepm is a cheater. Kramnik will own him. 😎