Very impressed with quality of CO2 fill whip in video. Any chance you have info on where to purchase? The demo gives me confidence to perhaps fill my own tanks but having trouble finding a quality whip.
Some one violated the golden rule of liquid C02 piping.. Where ever liquid can get trapped,a safety valve shall vent the trapped area. Your whip has ball valves at both ends. Not a safe whip. Even with the purge or vent valve. There is a chance of trapping liquid between two fixed points.
NO!! Please. Put the ball valve at the target end when filling more than one bottle, that way the hose once bled uses very little to bleed at the target bottle. Also you did not show bleeding the hose unless I missed that.
Yes, it is possible. But remember that these procedures must to be done by a trainer people. Inverting the cylinder can transfer rust or strange material on to your empty cylinder. To avoid that it is recommended to use a syphon tube.
The supply cylinder must have a dip tube to supply liquid CO2 to the receiving cylinder, or one might be dedicated and fab a rack to safely invert vapor-withdrawal cylinders. Those wanting hardware can order from their local welding supply. Western Enterprises dominates the US market. I use a tee, a whip and a common regulator on the vent side of the tee when I transfill for welding use.
Quick question. I'm looking at doing this also. Does the big bottle have a siphon in? I read somewhere that if it doesn't have you have yo turn the big bottle upside down? Is this true?
I have a 50 bar CO2 main tank in operation. The supplier for CO2 have tanks of 20 bars only . So he tells me that i have to EMPTY about quarter of my main tank in air before he can supply me . even after i cool down the main tank . My Question is : 1 - Is there any othet solution than thowing away , 25 % of the tank capacity which about 650 kg CO2 , in the air ? 2 - If that is nesscary can i refill small CO2 cylinders ( like 2 and 3 kg CO2 cylinders ) instead of just throwing the gas in the air
Hello Friend, I have an Ista 0.5 Cylinder, Kilos for a 70 l aquarium, planted and with community fish. How long an average load lasts, and whether Citric Acid + Calcium Bicarbonate + water. It's viable . Thankful , Juracyr Amaral Junior Sao Paulo Brazil
Tanks are filled with Liquid CO2, pressure varies, around 600-800PSI in normal indoor temps, and will remain "constant" in that range until the liquid is depleted. So pressure is the same, for any CO2 vessel, no matter the tank size.
Here´s a dumb question: even though you open the valve slowly, isnt there a risk to explode the hose or the small cylinder? Because the big one holds a lot more pressure ? Could you just open it and leave it or you just do it while you hear it transfer? (this was more than a dumb question, lol)
@@spencer5082 You need a CO2 tank with a Siphon Hose inside. Any welding supply shop should be able to sell you one. That kind of tank can only supply liquid CO2. I wonder about turning a normal CO2 tank upside down?
Is there a reason that the ball valve isn't on the other end of the whip, with the bleed screw between the tank valve & the whip's ball valve? (Just asking). My logic is this: With the ball valve & bleed screw on the other end, the whip stays pressurize between fills but only the space between the ball valve & the tank valve is depressurized between fills (instead of the whole whip). This would take a little less time to bleed down, but more importantly, it might waste a little less gas. From a practical standpoint, it probably wouldn't matter too much. (If, on the other hand, the gas in question was He--more expensive--then it might matter more!)--RS
i wonder if you could fit the dry ice in a cylinder then close the cylinder with the dry ice inside and leave it for awhile, would it be the same as a normal co2 cylinder ? will i blow up if i dont put in the correct amounts of dry ice
Yes you can, but good luck inverting a very heavy #50 tank! We charge A/C units this way at the very beginning of a total refill. Just make sure you do NOT put too much liquid in the receiving tank, that it is not rated for.
buy it? they don't even know how to sell it. if you look at: www.istaproducts.com/co2-refill/ COST (USD): 223.00 provided by Gulfstream Tropical Aquarium after going to their website you'll find that they have either converted into or got bought out by magfloat. even though magfloat has a partnership with the ISTA company, the whip never made it to magfloat site or ISTA catalogs. I wonder how hard it is to replace the tops.
flexible tube is called a hose if that's what you're talking about. He calls his transfer hose a whip about 1000 times or 1 kilotimes in this video. Maybe correct maybe not but if you open the valve w/o a receiving bottle attached you'll find why it's called a whip
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Very impressed with quality of CO2 fill whip in video. Any chance you have info on where to purchase? The demo gives me confidence to perhaps fill my own tanks but having trouble finding a quality whip.
hello I just wanted to know where I can buy the complete hose you're using here in the video? Thank you.
Some one violated the golden rule of liquid C02 piping.. Where ever liquid can get trapped,a safety valve shall vent the trapped area. Your whip has ball valves at both ends. Not a safe whip. Even with the purge or vent valve. There is a chance of trapping liquid between two fixed points.
Where can this fill whip be purchased at? A link to this whip would be GREATLY appreciated.
NO!! Please. Put the ball valve at the target end when filling more than one bottle, that way the hose once bled uses very little to bleed at the target bottle. Also you did not show bleeding the hose unless I missed that.
Right
¿No lleva un regulador a la salida del cilindro grande?
Where can I buy the exact fill hose you using in the video?
you can refill CO2 fire extinguisher with this hose
can a co2 tank without the siphon tube be inverted to transfer liquid co2 into the smaller tank?
Yes, it is possible.
But remember that these procedures must to be done by a trainer people.
Inverting the cylinder can transfer rust or strange material on to your empty cylinder. To avoid that it is recommended to use a syphon tube.
The supply cylinder must have a dip tube to supply liquid CO2 to the receiving cylinder, or one might be dedicated and fab a rack to safely invert vapor-withdrawal cylinders. Those wanting hardware can order from their local welding supply. Western Enterprises dominates the US market. I use a tee, a whip and a common regulator on the vent side of the tee when I transfill for welding use.
Quick question. I'm looking at doing this also. Does the big bottle have a siphon in? I read somewhere that if it doesn't have you have yo turn the big bottle upside down? Is this true?
Yes, it needs a siphon tube, which he mentions in the video. You can also turn the tank upside down, but I wouldn't want to do that for a large tank.
Why not attach the whip, put the whip and bottle on the scale and zero it then fill it to the correct Co2 weight.
Bill Van Raam because the weight of the whip will throw off your measurement
zarniwhoop1961 So after zeroing the scale you believe the whip will throw off the measurement? Need to rethink what Zeroing a scale means.
@@lopaka79 and you need to understand that the whip will be hanging off supply tank so it will not be the same each time
@@nebskram *Facepalm*
very informative. is that liquid co2 in the 50 pound cylinder?
Where I can buy the fill whip?
Im a cylinder tester for a job i would of thought the empty and full weights would have to be stamped on the cylinder
HI. Where do I get the fill whip from please?
Is it a standard CGA 320 or is it a paintball canister valve?
Can I fill of of a tank that doesn't have a siphon hose if I turn it upside down?
I would mention that co2 displaces oxygen in a room. Make sure your room is properly vented. Co2 is heavier than air and can kill!!
he also forgot to mention a car weights pooloads too. An Automobile is heavier than air and can kill!!! (note the 1 extra exclamation mark)
Peter Dinklage is scared....you gotta be pretty low to the ground and over pumping to the max to fade yourself out bro. Possible but highly unlikely.
Is Cga-580 as a universal valve for Nitrogen or different from regions ie, Southeast Asia.
How we transfer into small tiny container like 59ml
would it work with a 10 pound? into 1 ouc tank?
hello from iraq with you well done
Supposed to have a scale while filling
would this be the same with full N2O cylinders ? the ones Ive got are way too big and wouldnt be practical to fit in my trunk!
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I have a 50 bar CO2 main tank in operation.
The supplier for CO2 have tanks of 20 bars only .
So he tells me that i have to EMPTY about quarter of my main tank in air before he can supply me . even after i cool down the main tank .
My Question is :
1 - Is there any othet solution than thowing away , 25 % of the tank capacity which about 650 kg CO2 , in the air ?
2 - If that is nesscary can i refill small CO2 cylinders ( like 2 and 3 kg CO2 cylinders ) instead of just throwing the gas in the air
Hello Friend,
I have an Ista 0.5 Cylinder, Kilos for a 70 l aquarium, planted and with community fish.
How long an average load lasts, and whether Citric Acid + Calcium Bicarbonate + water. It's viable .
Thankful ,
Juracyr Amaral Junior
Sao Paulo
Brazil
Could u tell me how long does these co2 tank lasts
what is the pressure in the big tank? what pressure will those small tanks take?
You can't tell because the liquid is always expanding and contracting because of temperature
Tanks are filled with Liquid CO2, pressure varies, around 600-800PSI in normal indoor temps, and will remain "constant" in that range until the liquid is depleted. So pressure is the same, for any CO2 vessel, no matter the tank size.
All that wasted gas just to chill the tiny bottle? Why not freeze it first?
Would this method work with sodium bicarbonate and monoammonium phosphate based fire extinguishers?
No
Great video. I suggest people wear leather gloves for this kind of work (especially if you are learning how to do it from a RUclips video).
Here´s a dumb question: even though you open the valve slowly, isnt there a risk to explode the hose or the small cylinder? Because the big one holds a lot more pressure ? Could you just open it and leave it or you just do it while you hear it transfer? (this was more than a dumb question, lol)
+FerreiraAveiro both cylinders are rated for the same pressure
Both cylinders will be the same pressure if they are at the same temperature and each contain some liquid CO2.
is your supply cylinder a special type of cylinder or can i use any type of co2 tank?
I have the same question.
@@spencer5082 You need a CO2 tank with a Siphon Hose inside.
Any welding supply shop should be able to sell you one. That kind of tank can only supply liquid CO2. I wonder about turning a normal CO2 tank upside down?
@@1978garfield dangerous, because you can break the valve off, creating a heavy, dangerous, rocket projectile, but it works and is done all the time.
Is there a reason that the ball valve isn't on the other end of the whip, with the bleed screw between the tank valve & the whip's ball valve? (Just asking).
My logic is this: With the ball valve & bleed screw on the other end, the whip stays pressurize between fills but only the space between the ball valve & the tank valve is depressurized between fills (instead of the whole whip). This would take a little less time to bleed down, but more importantly, it might waste a little less gas. From a practical standpoint, it probably wouldn't matter too much. (If, on the other hand, the gas in question was He--more expensive--then it might matter more!)--RS
you can`t unscrew the whip if it has pressure, hi pressure tightens connections ...that`s why you always bleed the pressures.
how to refill 45 kg cylinder ?
i wonder if you could fit the dry ice in a cylinder then close the cylinder with the dry ice inside and leave it for awhile, would it be the same as a normal co2 cylinder ? will i blow up if i dont put in the correct amounts of dry ice
can i invert the large cylinder if it doesnt have a siphon tube?
Yes you can, but good luck inverting a very heavy #50 tank! We charge A/C units this way at the very beginning of a total refill. Just make sure you do NOT put too much liquid in the receiving tank, that it is not rated for.
Where do you buy the transfer Whip? Can't find one on the usual web sellers. May just have to make one up at a hose shop......
buy it? they don't even know how to sell it. if you look at: www.istaproducts.com/co2-refill/
COST (USD): 223.00
provided by Gulfstream Tropical Aquarium after going to their website you'll find that they have either converted into or got bought out by magfloat. even though magfloat has a partnership with the ISTA company, the whip never made it to magfloat site or ISTA catalogs.
I wonder how hard it is to replace the tops.
looks like the ista tanks
What do you call those tubes for transferring co2?
flexible tube is called a hose if that's what you're talking about. He calls his transfer hose a whip about 1000 times or 1 kilotimes in this video. Maybe correct maybe not but if you open the valve w/o a receiving bottle attached you'll find why it's called a whip
thanks bro...
Medeni temen,,, ora nganggo takeran pasti
Why did you "chill it" why not just fill it the first time around?
, that whizzing sound are made by friction that creates heat , heat limits expansion of the gas, so if not chilled you get less gas liquid in it...
This really is not a good practice,people have been killed transfering and decanting gas cylinders.
Fill Hwip
If there is any imperfection or fracture to that metal you will blow your face and fingers right off!!