Dragon Ball’s Buu Saga Is Way Worse Than You Remember…
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This is the creator of the original video, and I just want to make one thing clear. I don't think Gohan should've ever been the main character. But the way Toriyama wrote him up until the Buu Saga was indicative of that being the case. Like I said Goku is the soul of Dragon Ball. I just think having Goku around caused the story to go in circles a bit. Great video, been a fan for a LONG TIME. *even LKIAB* P.S. Kid Buu is definitely one of the weakest Buus😂
EYE have reread and agree he can’t be #2, I def don’t think he’s weaker than fat buu tho 😂 appreciate it tho my guy , like i said in the video you had good points we just ain’t 100% agree , all love brotha 💯
Toryiama also said he realized gohan wasn’t suited for that role as well though
@@TSO_Sage In my opinion I think it goes Buuhan, Buutenks, Super Buu, then Kid Buu.
Makes sense since goku avoided fighting Buuhan, and Gotenks lost to Super Buu and and they are stronger than Goku
@@TSO_Sage In the manga that could be argued but if we add in guide books there's a statement saying about it taking the combined efforts of Gohan, Gotenks and Goku to take down Kid Buu, so with that he's above all Buus but Buuhan.
In the anime it's clear cut that he's the strongest Buu.
@@numberhunter62Kid buu is one of the weakest if we think about the fact that ssj3 goku said himself that he was stronger than fat buu when he first ssj3'd and he managed to beat the kid buu like he said he would... He also had trouble against buuhan and needed to fuse with vegito to win... I think fat buu is still weaker than kid buu but he is probably the weakest buu other than that...
Kid Buu is definitely weaker than Super Buu with no fusions. Goku explicity stated that even if he and Vegeta jumped Super Buu they'd have lost. Now you're right in saying Kid Buu is definitely the biggest threat out of all the Buus because he has no rhyme or reason.
Also, unpopular opinion, Buu Saga is actually my second favorite out of all the sagas lol.
@AdeptHN1C Kid buu absorbs his pops and has their power. The reason kid buu seems stranger is because he is the most ruthless version of him
Gohan should've remembered not to be cocky because it costed him his dad's life
Same time when he went SSJ2 too, he was being cocky
@@Sennodev Literally what the guy said.
You know why Gohan’s fatal flaw works? It’s cuz Laziness is highlighted in real life with many people. How many people do not work out how many people do not train how many people do not eat right how many people? Too many to count that’s how many. Go Han circling side that gets the better of his alien side. But knowing that it is about the individual so I’m not gonna blame to specifically on biology even though biology is a factor.
How many times did you have to learn certain lessons even though you knew better you kept on fucking up. Too many times to count. So even though this is a character this is not good for Gohan‘s character, realistically it shows a very vital lesson of importance. Once you know better it’s time for you to do better. Because despite popular belief everyone who knows better does not do better.
So many fans or Loki haters really high no haters try to make it seem as though Goku‘s flaws are just insurmountably bad. When really all the Z fighters around him have flaws that are far greater than Goku himself. Real talk. But again their love for these other characters blind into their character‘s weaknesses.
@@jordanglasper1064 I think its because Gohan is smart enough to understand not making that mistake again.
With as many plot holes and stuff wrong the buu saga i think the peak moments and comedy overshadow it imo
Kid buu is not even stronger than Super buu and any forms after that. Kid buu is the deadliest and most dangerous but definitely not the strongest.
Kid buu is weaker than Base Super Buu according to Goku, but his mindless character makes him more dangerous than all of them except Buuhan
Correct, because remember when vegeta and goku exited buu’s head after rescuing the boys. Goku told vegeta we’re still no match for him that he’d kill them in an instant
as disliked as the buu arc is, ultimate gohan is one of them ones
Dis right here☝🏾💯
Majin Vegeta was cooking coo.
One of the most waste of screen time yes
He is NOT one of them ones😭
Him and vegeta carry this trash saga.
I think the Buu Saga is a worthy capstone for the OG series, and despite its flaws, it comes together in the end to form something I would call good.
I thought it was too all over the place and went on longer than needed.
@justinarzola4584 It's chaotic nature was one of my favorite parts. There is no forumla here, no rules, they are fighting the epitome of chaos itself in Buu. Tropes and cliches are getting turned on their heads, and in all honesty the 'it's too long' arguement just has no teeth to me. That's just my opinion though.
@@philswift8793ofc when its db ppl ignore the flaws
@jasonblack2477 lmao when it comes to Dragon Ball flaws are all people talk about. And even then, this isn't me ignoring a flaw, it's me thinking the 'flaw' works in the arcs favor.
@@philswift8793 you know damn well that in tier lists ppl be putting Goku and DB in S Tier💀
Imagine if Buu got jumped by everyone JJK style, and was executed with all of the Z-fighters' help
If this aint the ending of every filler Toei movie
Chaotic ending.
With the point at the end about who should be the one to kill buu Goku can be there fighting but with how much time the whole “the younger generation needs to step up” plot line was given that the whole 2nd act of that arc was that idea for Gohan, Goten, and trunks to just not be there at all was a bit disappointing to me at least 🤷🏾♂️
SLIGHT CHANGE: think I’ve changed my mind on one thing in this video. I see the vision on Kidd Buu being weaker than a Buutenks and MAYBE even a Super Buu. DEF not a fat buu tho 😂💯
Fat Buu, Kid Buu, Super Buu, Buutenks, Buuhan
Kid Buu should have been stronger for each person he absorbs (maybe getting weaker when fat Buu splits into evil and fat) I could easily use that to argue Kid Buu should be the weakest but most dangerous and unpredictable. Also Vegeta had to be saved against fat Buu by the kids but is able to stall kid Buu even though he shouldn’t be any stronger because no zenkai when you actually die and you can’t train your body in hell.
Just to be clear I think kid Buu is right around as strong as fat Buu I just never understood why people think he’s way weaker as fat Buu when he added a supreme Kai to himself. I think that made him more fun loving but not physically weaker.
Just wanna say real quick. Piccolo isn't connected to the dragon balls anymore. Dende is the one where if you kill him, you lose the dragon balls.
Additionally in super for some reason. They completely forget that the dragon balls has two wishes instead of one.
Just a small thing. I got things i agree with you and things i don't but it's interesting hearing your opinions.
Buuhan > Buutenks > Super Buu > Evil Buu > Kid Buu > Fat Buu I think. One thing to consider though is that prior to losing his evil half, the original Fat Buu was likely stronger as well at the time, perhaps stronger than Kid Buu.
Fat Buu< Super Buu< Kid Buu< Buutenks
I just started watching dragon Ball and I'm on episode 6 and I did not expect to love it this early. It's genuinely great but now I kind of want to go back and watch OG dragon Ball so I can get the full scope of the story. But it's shaping up to be really nice. And I'm expecting once I get to the buu saga I'm most likely going to say it's pretty overheated I don't know why I just have a feeling😂
You're not wrong sir I glad you enjoy it. I highly suggest you finish og dragon ball first
@@BK-dl1od Agreed🤝
OG dragon ball is very fun and lighthearted. I miss that era
As a kid this was my favorite arc, with the tournament, Vegeta vs Goku, Goku SSJ3, Gotenks and Gotenks SSJ3, Mystic Gohan pulling up saying, "Fight you? Nah, I wanna kill you." Vegito, etc. There are hella hype moments in it, but on rewatch it's clear why it gets such a bad wrap. A lot of it just feels unecessary, even if it leads to a cool moment here and there.
That line from Gohan is one of those moments when the dub was on par with the Japanese.
All those transformations (ssj3), buus different forms, and even fusion, We're all ass pulls to spike manga sells and anime ratings. This sage was facing full on DB fatigue.
@@CreamPieSundaysI dont think all of them are asspulls. The only ones are probably potara fusion,ssj3 gotenks. We still never got an explanation on why the kais need fusion and gotenks just pulling out ssj3 out of their ass.Also ofcourse buu transformations are out of nowhere but the villain is the plot.
@@Takerutomy most of them were tho. Yhe buu saga (2nd half) was the worst rated, with the least manga sells. The saga (2nd half) with the transformation had lowest viewership of Z. What's funny is people in the west hate the Great Saiyaman arc. Remember toonami made Z peak when we saw it, the show ended 5/6 yrs prior in Japan.
@@CreamPieSundays Idk what an asspull is to you but other than i said earlier other transformations had enough explanation to be there. Ssj3 literally after goku are dead and finally had time to interact with other powerful fighters and with a body with no stamina. Goku learned instant transmission from another race so him learning about fusion in heaven is plausible. I am not saying the buu saga is amazing or something. Its not my favourite either and some are asspulls like i already stated. And it being worst rated really not what i care just about you calling things asspull. All the villains in dragonball z have transformations but its a problem when its buu.
sorry, but kid buu narratively HAS to be weaker than most other buus if not all.
buu gets stronger by absorbing particularly strong people correct? super buu < buutenks < buuhan.
so when you remove every person he absorbed, he gets weaker.
still comparable to fat buu, potentialy stronger since he was beating fat buu. (my personal theory is that the one kaioshin buu absorbed that turned him into fat buu not only changed his personality but doing so kinda lowered his power a bit. as in the guy was such a pacifist/nice person that it stops fat buu from going all out)
so, kid buu is weaker than most other versions of buu besides maybe fat buu. still strong as shit.
but he absolutely edges out on being unpredictable and just not stopping. other buus would gloat, talk smack. kid buu just keeps hitting you until you stop moving and then blows you up for good measure. maybe blows up the planet too.
I disagree with your point that gohan making the overconfidence mistake again. If it was a mistake that just hurt him or someone else but didn’t kill them then I’d understand making the mistake again but when your mistake meant that your younger brother has never met his dad before as well as not seeing your dad for around 7 years isn’t a mistake you’d make again
it’s a major mistake but consider exactly what said mistake is. it’s literally an issue of overconfidence, he’s convinced he has things under control. to Gohan he’s NOT making it again in the moment , it’s damn hard to realize you’re overconfident until things around the situation change, example being allowing Buutenks.
now where we agree 100% is when EVERY Gohan plot line is “he’s out of shape and can’t defend his fam”. Happening 3 additional times after this either , as a grown man… no arguments that’s just nasty.
Buu Saga was like the best and worst things of the Attitude Era
All those cool ideas that never concluded and just jumped into more cool ideas that never concluded.
The Kais
SS3 Goku
Gotenks
Mystic Gohan
Goku vs Vegeta
Vegeta Sacrifice
Dabura
Vegito
All the Buu transformations
And then one of the coolest things is at the conclusion Vegeta and Goku figure it out and wipe of Buu for good
Vegeta’s plan and Goku’s Spirit Bomb
If Goku and Vegeta always just fused frame one, they would dunk on the entire team from the half court line. Put all 5 on the rim and make a league rule to allow goal tending specifically against Vegito/Gogeta and league still getting ran.
Kid Buu the weakest form and Vegito is a bad form is one of the worst takes I’ve heard in a while
The problem is that they intended to go into a different direction, but they had to revert to planet busting battles due to backlash.
"Main Character Gohan" was a real thing, he wanted to stop with the planet threatening enemies after Cell.
What I remember as a kid, seeing the Vegeta sacrifice episode, Gohan's dead, Goku is beaten and they kept saying things about him returning to afterworld like every few minutes, I deadass lost interest because I was like "there's nobody left. 😢" Lol I forget what age I was but it made me stop watching them instead of interested in where they went from there.
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Haters: Goku never kills anyone
Goku: *Kills Buu*
Haters: Gohan should've killed Buu, not Goku
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If gt and evolution never came out. Buu saga would be the worst dragon ball property.
Gohan wouldnt have had to train every single day to maintain his power. Goten was getting trained up by Chichi and he scooped up SSJ. He was sparring and playing with Trunks on the side.
Gohan, after becoming the strongest person on Earth and being left the reins by his father to protect everyone... did nothing for 7 years. He didn't even attempt to train. Didn't spar with or train up Goten or Trunks, didn't hit up Vegeta every once in a while for a scrap.
Nothing.
That's unbelievable to me in my head. Ain't no way this man focused on studying so much that he forgets to throw a punch for 7 years.
I think the ending of the Buu Saga is fantastic, I think the ending off it is my favourite in fact. The Dragonballs play a big role in ending the series just as they did starting it. Buu being taken down with the Spirit Bomb, a technique that's all about unity and connections. Humanity being given a way to fight back against their villain in Majin Buu. And lastly Goku wishing for Buu reincarnating as a good guy finally caps off the question from the first arc; what would Goku wish for
Plus Super Buu was just boring, he lost what made Buu special and just became another Freeza or Cell.
ive definetely started appreciating the buu arc more as i got older
When I got into DBZ as a kid, the Buu saga was definitely my favorite! I loved SSJ3, the fusions and Kid Buu (and still do). I rewatched all of Z finally about five years ago, and I was able to see the flaws. Frieza Saga is my favorite now, but Buu saga will always hold a special place in my heart
Gohan in his black and green clothes is awesome.
Buu saga had a lot of cool things in it but in rewatch it’s really just spinning it’s wheels for 70% of it.
Ssj3,pointless
Gohan,pointless
Tein pulling up, pointless
Fusion, pointless
Goten and trunks why?
Nah 🙁
I disagree
I didn't mind Goten and Trunks but my God Gotenks annoying, there was a reason he barely appeared in Super.
Is bait-and-switch pointless? Is not agreeing with a direction taken enough to consider the direction bad? People are too quick to conflate, these bait-and-switch tropes have been used by Toriyama since the 80's and have never stopped. Regardless of the coulda shoulda woulda gymnastics we as fans love to upkeep, Toriyama lives to subvert expectations while still delivering
@@MelaninMage "Toriyama lives to subvert expectations while still delivering."
You people heard "subvert expectations" and never let that phrase go xD Stop it. Toriyama, by his own admission, wrote the series on the fly without a plan in mind. It wasn't "oh, carefully planned bait-and-switch to surprise everyone". It was "I'm writing this because I don't know how to end this".
This is why I think you Americans don't get a lot of things in anime. You just overanalyze everything and want every single bad decision in your favorite series to make sense because you're fanboying too much.
To me gohan was the mc. has the tragic past and the glow up z literally starts and finishes on his character. It went from is this goku jr, to this is definitely goku jr, to this can’t be goku jr, to maybe he matured into goku jr, to let’s move on to uub
You should react to some videos by casual anime guy explains. He has some interesting takes on Dragon Ball
Let’s be realistic then. Gohan truly should’ve been the MC after the Cell games. They had the perfect set-up for him to take the reins and become the Main Character we deserved, but then they gave him a major character regression. It’s true that he was 11 back then so he might not have learned his lesson about arrogance, but I’m pretty sure that your arrogance causing your dad to sacrifice himself for you is enough of a lesson. Honestly, they only stopped letting Gohan train so that he couldn’t take his rightful spot as the MC, because if he did then there would be no need for Goku. In the span of one movie he gained a form that put him on par with True Ultra Instinct Goku. Keep in mind that Goku left the fate of the world to the Future generations at the end of the Cell Saga, and the Boujack Movie. He wouldn’t do that if he didn’t have faith that Gohan could handle all the issues that were going on. Don’t get me wrong, I like the Buu arc and a lot of the stuff that it did, but I personally believe that Gohan could’ve been the MC, if they actually let him keep his character progression. Plus, I’d like to point out that the writers wrote Gohan’s character like this after Cell, and they just kept repeating this character arc of, get lazy/complacent, people he love get hurt, unlock new transformation, relearn the strength he needs to protect the ones he loves. They keep doing this to him because they don’t know how to write him anymore. Plus you can argue they messed up a lot of characters progression during the Cell arc.
Absolutely agree! When the Cell saga ended you still had free reign to write Gohan with main character potential. The Bojack and 2nd Broly movie were movies that showed that. The issue is that Toriyama just can’t move away from Goku
@@dominiquerobinson8888 that’s because the fans at the time didn’t want to lose Goku, the founder of franchise, in the first place. Honestly I feel like the story would make so much more sense with Gohan as the main character.
Gohan hates fighting and violence in general, it's just not something he wants to do or is interested in. The reason why Gohan's SSJ2 transformation is so good is because it's sad.
Toriyama himself stated he felt Gohan wasn't fit to be the main character.
The biggest reason for this is probably that Gohan would be extremely reactive, he would never seek things out and be proactive and if you changed Gohan's character to be more proactive then he'd just be Goku.
@@numberhunter62 while you’re not wrong, I feel like Gohan should’ve at least had a better role in the arc. The death of 16 and his father should’ve been an experience that led to him training so he’d never be too weak that someone he loves dies.
@@numberhunter62 No you wouldn’t cause Gohan doesn’t hate fighting. He voluntarily chose to be a crimefighter when it was already someone else’s job and was excited to fight in Babadi’s spaceship. Toriyama just ain’t want to move from Goku
5:32 what do u mean motivation!! Cell wasn't enough for motivation!?!?
He littlerally hates foghting and only does it for his family and for the earth (mainly his family)
Buu arc is probably not the best in terms of quality of writing but it's definitely my favourite. Goku is unhinged this arc.
i think buu saga falls flat in almost every aspect, where as in before transformations were rare and were there to be the point of inflection of a characters story arc in the buu saga that goes out the window, the beginning is good, actually better than the beginning to the saiyan or namek saga but when you get to gotenks (cool concept and good character) for him to lose then to gohan for him to lose it all seems pointless (to the viewer) we know what’s gonna happen we know the z fighters are gonna win, so it really feels like it’s just extending itself for no reason, but what made the arc the worst imo is super saiyan 3, more exactly how it’s utilized, never before, NEVER before did dragon ball show us a transformation just to buy time, it’s literally a soulless cash grab for toys, what people hate super for that’s what ssj 3 feels like in the buu saga
For me it's a weird spot. Buu Saga is the one I was actually able to remember because I was old enough to when it was on TV, but the previous ones? Those I had to backtrack years later to get the full picture and while I've since changed my opinion, I can't quite feel that the Buu saga is that bad even now.
Hot take, Gohan should've learned his lesson potentially during either the Ressurection F Saga or The Goku Black Saga when he pops into our timeline with goku, gohan so on and so forth around to see. Both Frieza and Goku Black shouldve been MASSIVE wake-up calls for Gohan that if he want to protect the people he loves, he needs to get stronger.
They could’ve easily done the gohan beat buu as mystic gohan.
Him not learn the lesson of power amongst friends, believe he has to do it all himself because his dad is dead, vegeta either dead or brought back ti life. Gohan actually trains so hard that he sees minimal progress because he overtrains and doesn’t let his body recover due to the mental stress he puts on himself.
A whole new arc where he has to learn that lesson is written where gohan, trunks and goten are fully trusted as the main a warriors now.
You have interactions written in where they all learn lessons from gokus past rivals and friends. (Tien, Trillin, even roshi and Yamcha).
After the next arc gohan understands what it takes to be the MC. And he’s not just Goku jr. He’s fully learned to control all his emotions and he’s more well rounded. Teaching he younger guys to be a prepared but also balance their lives.
That took me 8 minutes to think of. And I think it would’ve worked.
Buu saga might be my favorite unironically, it grows on me each time I rewatch it. kid buu vs goku is the best fight in the series.
Vegeta and Goku fusing...is the greatest thing this arc did lol
That tangent about kid buu was goofy. He said "arguably" the weakest and super buu is meant to be this potential unlocked variant of majin buu in general. No kai's, no brain and no mood dampener makes kid buu about the second weakest but the most dangerous.
I think that after gohan's defeat by regular majinbuu and getting his power up from the elder kai he should have learned just how big of a threat this was and after coming back and realizing that his mom and girlfriend and so many other people are dead and gone, He should have let that take over him and just you know really go all in and there should have been like a montage or something towards the end of that fight where it shows gohan running away as a kid it shows gohan being beaten by the ginyu force and frieza, Gohan struggling against cell and seeing his dad die again in that fight.
All these events finally come together to inspire the greatest Kamehameha of Gohan's career.
Then let him stay somewhat consistent in his free time, bit still be a family man. Best of both worlds imo.
To think that kid buu is stronger than buuhan is insane when goku begged vegeta to fuse when up against buuhan and just said “ nah I’d win” against kid buu
Goku could have been a father figure, like a voice in gohans head like in the clouds
9:34 that means they would risk their entire family and planet just to get a fair fade
which is exactly them tbh 😂 both goku & vegeta would never not teamup to let loved ones die… but we just talking bout entirely different characters if we don’t think they want to try it solo at first
I see a lot of people don’t read the super manga but kid buu has been retconned to have had god ki so I see why people are saying he’s the strongest now
Kid buu made z broly look very sane
What’s goood Sage
One thing I absolutely hate about dragon ball fans is them being so hard of the idea of something that they forgot about other possiblities of something.
Like I seen so many people seeing the passing of the torch and teaching younger generation side of dragon ball z but process to absolutely ignore any other meaning that can come from it.
Like one thing I like to interpret is buu saga showing consequences of trying to force the future of a generation like they literally have to have two children learn the fusion dance to have a chance. Even giving gohan a whole experience of power only to not do much. And that is where biggest problem actually shows up for me is what happens with gohan and the rest. Like I personally am fine with gohan being cocky, in the situation I can believe he has control especially as it’s not like they fully understand what fucken absorbing actual does, hell i don’t remember if gohan even seen the absorbing like how piccolo got got. Around that point I think it would have been better if it was tag team of gohan and gotenks holding back or being even with buu which could bring in goku having one vs three which this stronger buu uses his chaotic nature making more mini blobs, sneaky unnatural tactics which lead goten infusing because time limit goten and or trunks getting absorbed then and the two having to retreat. Like honestly it could have been handled better showing gohan and gotenks not pushovers, showing buu more of a threat then he already is and showing strength of franchise is team work. But that whole point got ridiculous with just gohan being extremely strong but Oop gotenks got absorbed now so strong it’s not even fair, then he absorbs gohan so is so strong it’s not even fair, then Oop vegito is born and so strong even in base form it’s not even fair. Like I hate absolute hate where power just seems to never be even, it kills mood bit where any power up just so exponentially bigger that it’s not even fair to get a single hit. Just I love lot of the buu saga. I love buu as a concept I just wish they made him more Eldridge creeping with more unnatural abilities because having the mega tyrant of frieza, to cold collected yet comprehending killer bug to unnatural unknowable being of chaos who died because he simply is, is just so awesome. Just underutilized
The great sayiaman arc is my favourite arc of the Buu saga and nobody can change my mind. Dragon Ball is at it's best when it is not trying too hard. Dragon Ball started as a gag manga and operates finally as a comedy. The 27th Tenkaichi Budokai arc of the Buu saga is also good, it was a nice slice of life and coming together of the characters after a timeskip. It was cool seeing everyone together. The punching bag scene, Gohan teaching Videl to fly, Gohan's character dynamics with Videl and their mutual respective developments, Goten vs Trunks, there's so many good moments in the early portion of the Buu saga.
I also do not think Gohan should be the main character despite being my favourite character. He is too much of a reactionary character. He lacks the activity that Goku possesses. Personally I would have preferred no specific, singular protagonist, an equal split of Goku, Vegeta and Gohan would have been the best for me. Have all bases covered. And as mentioned in the video, the theme of teamwork is too great throughout the duration of the series, for me to suggest a singular protagonist is the best.
I would have been fine if they just went full confidence and made it Great Sayaman's story. I'd respect the shit out of that.
15:15 cameras facing the wrong away and wrong bullets at the wrong time for the third time, who are my ops
I think that Gohan taking the W against Super Buu would've been kinda anti-climatic. As much as i think he should've gotten the job done (mostly off the strength of him fumbling in the Cell Arc cause idgaf about "human nature" ain't no way i'm fumbling in the same way that got my pops sent to otherworld) but i think he should've been put in a position where he needed help from whoever else was alive. It would still give us the chance for Goku to realistically come back to life and for Vegeta to accept his place as definitive number 3 when he comes back.
if gohan was superman I wouldn't be mad fr👀
Why couldn’t Gohan along with gotenks get the job done. That’s not a crazy thought
Buu saga is peak DB. SS3, Gotenks, Vegito, amazing animation, majin Vegeta, final atonement, human extinction attack, ultimate Gohan, planetary spirit bomb. It is the best arc, hands down.
I think that most people have a problem with Goku killing Kid Buu, is because it is the start of the whole "Let Goku handel this situation." With Battle of Gods I actually think it should have been Vegeta becoming a Super Sayian God first, because he has a history with Beerus. Same as with Resurrection F, it should have been Vegeta who finally killed Freeza for very obvious reasons. I do actually agree (after thinking on it) that the U6 Arc should have been the introduction of SSJB, with Goku taking the win against Hit. The Goku Black Arc, Goku should have taken the win against Fused Zamasu for reasons that should be obvious. Tournament of Power, I actually agree with how it ended... well with how Goku and Freeza took out Jiren, not with Whis reviving Freeza on the behest of Beerus. Cause now we have Black Freeza. Thanks Beerus you not only took a page from Super Goku's book, no you wrote a god damned sequel to it.
When i first seen the Buu Saga i was upset that Gohan didnt train or try to retain his power. But as i get older, i realized that he is the most human Saiyan to ever exist. He just wants to be an earthling, and Toriyama keeps writing him into battle.
Look, Gohan is my second favorite character in the series but Gohan Beast was a mistake. It should have went to Future Trunks instead since he actually trained and wants to fight. Gohan just wants to study. If not Future Trunks then maybe Goten cause there's room to mold him into a hero. If not Goten....then idk.
But Gohan has consistently showed us since he was a kid that he wants to be a scholar. As a real fan of the character, i want him to focus on that. Everything else feels forced.
Think about it Sage (doubt you gonna read all this but salute to you im subbed on 2 channels) if a person who was great at fighting in real life told you they would rather be in the library, didnt train, and lost all their muscle mass....would you run to them when theres a threat in your life?
No negro. You would call the police lol. Leave Gohan alone and let Broly be the new Gohan. I hate what they did to Broly and would rather him be evil like the OG movies, but since they wrote him as good hes the perfect substitute for Gohan.
My 2 cents.
Na dawg ur dad is goku aliens pull up all the time to take over/destroy the planet makes absolutely no sense to not train ESP after what happened with cell ur dad litterly had to sacrifice his life to save u because u were fwking around
@bigt100 believe me in right there wit you. But Gohan just wants peace. Even before he snapped against Cell he begged him to stop the fight. Gohan does not want to fight. The new transformation is a waste to him.
If he continues fighting its incredibly forced cause he has made it clear thru his words and most importantly, his actions, that he doesnt want to fight. Since he was like 6 against Nappa lol
In my opinion, the buu saga is very over hated. Not to say it doesn't have its problems or cases of bad writing, because it definitely does in some places. But I think everyone gets caught up in the whole "gohan should have been the main character" thing and since it didn't happen thats what makes people hate it the most. To me, the buu saga is my favorite saga not because of the story (that definitely goes to the cell saga), but because of the action and the big moments in the arc and even some of the characters get to shine the most in this arc. Vegeta's sacrifice was amazing, Gotenks was really fun to watch whenever he was on screen(best fusion don't @ me), piccolo's whole joke being how he was once the demon king and is now a glorified babysitter, Ssj3 is one of if not my favorite transformation sequences and forms in general, Gohan vs super buu was fun to watch (it still hurt though seeing buu getting clapped like that), and everything that kid buu did was peak. I may be one of if not the only fan of everything majin buu, especially kid buu. He's my favorite character in any source of fiction just because of how chaotic he is. So you could say that i have a bit of bias here due to that, but I digress. I love the buu saga flaws and all, and I'm just getting tired in defending it all the time because it's as you said, when a big group of people hate something it causes more people to stand it harder (or something along those lines😅).
Fun fact: Goku wouldn’t have defeated kid buu without Hercules help
I’m ngl, I think the buu saga is the PERFECT ending for Z. I seriously can’t think of any saga that would’ve been a better way to end the main story than what we got
Kid Buu is my favorite character, but the Cell saga is my favorite saga.
Not liking vegito 🤨 the man completely loss me
Great point about "finishing the story" after making hot ass takes
Buuhan is the strongest Buu. Kid Buu is the most dangerous one because of how unhinged he is
Kid Buu is definitely above Fat Buu and Super Buu. Goku literally brings up the idea of bringing Gohan and the others there, but Vegeta dismisses it in favor of the Spirit Bomb. That tells me right there that Kid buu is arguably the strongest or that there was a serious change in powerscaling once kid buu got introduced
I understand people wanting Gohan to be the main character and kinda agree but I also know the importance of Goku killing buu and being the main character. I think Gohan should've been a co - main character like how Vegeta is a co - main character. Like it shouldn't just be the Goku and Vegeta show, it should be the Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan show.
Fat Buu, Super Buu, and Kid Buu seem to be close in power. The three of them can compete with, but don't exceed SSJ3. Once Super Buu starts absorbing people, he puts himself on a whole new level. Buuhan was clearly the strongest version of the character, having the power of both Super Buu and Gohan added together.
Glad to see you covering the series like you are. Too many cornballs in this community which is why I fell out of it so you’re definitely a breath of fresh air from that
Bro if Vegeta finished the buu arc with the final explosion I would have shed tears of happiness
That super/kid buu theme though 🤔
Why did sage just change the timeline of the vegeta speech
Gohan's personality is the reason why he shouldn't be a main character in DBZ. He's not a fighter in an anime where fighting is purposely the whole point in an anime that was originally about Goku loving to fight before Goku's character development
bro really made this into a "gohan mc" debate
Buu saga had alot of great moments but alot of confusing fuking moments to like they just tried to cram everything in.
I personally liked the Buu arc up until they gave Gohan another cocky attitude moment because while i get its his Saiyan side showing. If he sees the universe is in peril again then why would he start acting this way. I also really just hated Gotenks. Like Goten witnessing his mom die and gohan supposedly die and Trunks finding out both his parents are dead and that NOT be the motivating factor that makes them wise up and actually finish off Buu was just so weird to me. Like the story didnt really need a gag character in that moment
Kid Buu in the lore was the original god of destruction and was a God like being or I read that somewhere don't know how true that is
The buu arc felt like it didn’t know when to end in my opinion
Honestly, I think the decision of Goku and Vegeta trying to pass down the torch to the new generation was made too early. Sure they could still have mentor roles but it seems like they (or Goku at least) is just ready to die and let Gohan and the others do the work from there even tho they aren’t ready fr. I just feel like the focus should’ve stayed on Goku (and vegeta ig) and it would’ve made for a better more controlled story. And then end of z could’ve been the time where they actually felt like they could pass down the role of “protector” to Gohan, Goten, and Trunks. Obviously there would have to be some changes with Goten and Trunks for sure from what we saw at the end of Z but it would’ve made more sense. And Goten and trunks really don’t have to change all that much to be the characters you need for the story to go on how I just suggested
Can’t forget about uub too, also being trained for the role of protector
Crazy thing is buu arc actually my favorite arc we got ssj3 fusions kid buu
It’s to hard to change a main character. Because goku well established in the series, obviously fans want to see him. You can make side series without the main characters. But once your well established with series and know what the main character is about. It’s hard to change that and it has been proven it will never be as popular as the previous serious.
I even think if they ended it on the freeza saga, that was a great way to end it with goku dying and becoming the legendary super saiyen. But cell saga and buu saga, had both intakes on how to end a series
If they were making a dbz for new generations to get into, they should have set it in the future with new characters. Just like avatar
Buu saga should have ended with Vegeta's sacrifice. Idk about anything else.
the buu ark had a unique feel to it, of goku & vegeta being the strongest in the universe and that the villain had to rise to the challenge, and they knew it thats why they messed around, why vegeta could fight goku.
Vegeta would have beat buu if not for the regeneration (with out blowing him self up)
Goku pretty much straight up says he could have beaten buu
Buu had to absorb others to fight after gohan and gotenks got their quick power boosts.
The only reason buu was a threat was because his regeneration, stamina & absorption.
My biggest issue with DB is the tournaments were trash from cell onwards because they were half heartedly written and not really finished. I didn't watch super but I know it had a trash ending
Buu saga not my favorite but i loved it the majin vegta thing i loved cuz vegeta is my favorite character i liked his dedication and i loved the silly buu stuff i think the arc gets far more hate then deserved its just dragonball
It's just so convoluted. Even the Goku vs Vegeta rematch is probably the most useless fight in the series imo.
I’m gonna keep saying this, Gohan could scrape kid buu hadn’t he died on the planet and I’ll die on that hill 🤷🏿♂️
Even if he was the weakest Buu, weren't Goku and Vegeta exhausted?
I love Gohan but he just isn't main character material, he's a lot different than Goku but goten is a lot more similar, so if Goku were to have a successor it would have to be him
You can definitely put Buuhan as 1 but if I’m using DBZ logic, kid buu being the final villain imo means he’s 1 and buuhan is 2
Last thing with Gohan MC stands I’m sure nobody wanted him to just pull up and kick his ass. Now Disagree with the point Goku should’ve been there it should’ve been a hard fought battle with gohan on the losing end then somebody close to gohan get killed. Gohan gets rage boost and wins, realizing that he has to train, giving him a better ride into the MC role.
I like certain moments in the Buu saga, but I'd boil its problems down to 2 reasons:
1) Undoing years long character arcs or making the contributions of a lot of characters more or less not matter. Vegeta's atonement felt very earned, buuuuuut it didn't matter in terms of defeating Buu.
2) Buu was not well written. He didn't have any kind of motivation or played off of our heroes. He was evil kirby with a shitload of extra steps.Compare it to say Frieza: he destroyed the sayian's planet, wiped out picollo's race. It felt personal and if the heroes failed, Frieza would absolutely go to Earth, torture everyone they loved and glass the planet.
On the other hand, Buu wanted candy? He was grumpy? Like what was his beef with anyone but the guys who shot the puppy?
Please link the original video in the description please. I enjoy your content and your point of view in these reaction videos, but it would be nice if you link the original.
You know I am abit on both sides about the buu ark at first it was good but like in the middle it just feels like these were ideas that didn't want to be wasted yet I mean like if Vegeta killed buu and it was a good enough ending we don't see fusion except maybe the first appearance of Ssj blue Vegeta on the Goku black ark or the first Ssj3 and this is it's end game of Z before Super so Ssj3 will hardly appear at all unless some other villain pushes him to the break of it. Don't get me wrong it would be better that way but at the same time we couldn't get these other cool characters for the fun of it. At this case I'm just lost 🤔😅
Gohan should’ve been the main character because goku story is over that’s why super goku is dumb because they needed him to grow again
The Buu saga is made better by Super and GT. For different reasons, the whole reason of it took every thing to kill Buu, and Buu was just blatantly stronger than Goku, and is the only person Goku had to cheat to beat. Needing all of the wishes on the dragon balls and the representation of the earthlings in hercule. The shadow dragons showed up do to an over reliance to solve there issues, and Was about Goku stopping this without the dragon balls or everyone dies. Which is why Goku ascended and became Shenrons Gaurdian. Maybe I’m looking to far for GT, but even then characters like beerus.Frieza Hit, Jiren, Zamasu, hell even the manga villains all needed some kind of Intervention from either the dragon balls, the Angels or the gods, or an all out jumping.
One of the biggest Misconception Is gohan was built to be Main character , it's not an opinion , it's stated from Is toriama the Legend himself, that's not the case.
But i'm not defending the Boo ark It had a lot of mistakes but it did give us My favorite scene the vegeta Atonement
The Buu saga is my second favourite after the Android saga. Ive never really understood why people hate it THAT much. It definitely has its flaws, but nobody brings up any flaws that are unique to the Buu saga, and have instead seemingly just forgotten every other saga.
Gohan's character being fumbled is definitely most prominent during the Buu saga, however this was always going to be the case no matter what the final DBZ saga was going to be, because they fucked up Gohan's entire existence throughout the series.
They were set on him being the new main character, and then backtracked on that idea because Goku was the most popular with the fans. After that decision was made, they had no fucking clue what to do with Gohan. He was either the deputy main character, or he was completely irrelevant and could be written out with dumb bullshit excuses.
There isn't any way out of Gohan's character arc getting fucked up and disrupted because of this.
Overall, the writing in DBZ just isnt that good to begin with (hot take yes i know, but watch literally any other anime, especially like One Piece or Naruto and its immediately apparent) and whether it was the Buu saga or not, could never change the fact that the final saga of DBZ would show its flaws coming back to bite the story in its ass.
Buu saga is my favorite. I didn't know people hate it until years later.
It is my least fav out of 4 arc in z but it not low I give it like 6/10