Is Genshin Impact TOO Expensive?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- For today's video I wanted to talk about Genshin Impact's gacha system and to discuss whether it's too expensive or not... as if you guys need to know the answer lol
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As a f2p player, it stuns me that not even 100$ is enough to guarantee a 5 star at 0 pity.
Edit: I'm arguing the stats, not whether you can have fun with very little or the fact you got lucky so you can't relate. Don't compare your sweet apples to the very sour oranges
$400 if you're really unlucky. it's not reasonable in the slightest. you can get the same amount of primogems you get with $100 as you can by just playing for a month.
@@colorbar.s I mean any 5 star in general, but that is just scary
@@colorbar.s and also 400 might not be enough if you hit past 80 pity for both
And in others like fgo even tho you may not get the one you want you will be guaranted a 5 star with 5€ 3 times a year
I suggest you don't spent money coz i get 5 star every 2 patch for free. Just plan your saving.
What infuriate me is that despite their income, mihoyo still refuse to give back in any shape or form to the players.
You should blame the people showering them money buddy. They don't change anything because of that, no money = desperation and immediate changes.
@@pauloguitar4366 that's like blaming women for wearing revealing clothes on raep. Flawed logic at best, shifting the blame like that.
It's gross indecency on mihoyo's part, not people who wanted to support a game they love's fault.
@@kueapel911 huh, you're totally clueless man, they won't change bad practices if people reward them for said bad practices lmao, is it that hard to understand? What does this have anything to do with women wearing revealing clothes or whatever lol, your comparison is completely off, you want change? Stop giving them money, it's simple as that. You probably got butthurt because you must be one of them, sorry if I burst your bubble, but this is reality, companies couldn't care less about you, they only care about your money, just stop giving them profit and the game would get BETTER for everyone, why would they change anything that clearly works in their favor, stop being stupid, complaining while spending won't do jack shit, you know very well what I mean, flawed logic my ass, you just can't accept the truth. Cheers.
Didn't they give us a ton of primos last anniversary? After the uproar anyway lol. I don't play any other f2p games like this so I'm not sure if mihoyo was stingy.
@@shineeis5657 they gave 10 pulls worth of primo after a massive uproar.
For comparison, other gacha games give UR/5 star/Their highest rarity character picker ticket. 10 pulls equals to 1/15, or 6.7% of usual gacha game's anniversary reward, and that ignores the fact that other gacha games often includes many other rewards too.
Mhy is not stingy, they are scummy. It's on a whole another level of evil psychological manipulation tactic. Deliberately starving you off resources, so you are conditioned to be grateful with a tiny drop of resource. Like a maltreated kid whose parents never give any love at all so they rejoice at a slightest hint of care.
INB4 corporate whiteknights bark at me.
I doubt the prices of Genshin Impact will ever change, however, I do hope for some monetary changes to happen in the future such as :
• Lowering The Pity from 90 to 60 for Characters and 80 to 50 for Weapons.
• Increasing the amount of Primo's we get from Quests, Chests, Events, Battle Pass, Welkin Moon and/or Daily Commissions.
• Adding more End Game Content that Rewards Primo's, like Spiral Abyss.
• Adding more Events that Rewards Fates for Participating, instead of just Primo's.
• Bringing Back the Daily Attendance Event more frequently to reward Fates and Primo's to players.
To name a few.
Delusional
too good to be true
More like far future and the change is just a crumb.
No one top up anymore if this come true. This is mean dev has lowering price of their product. Billion dollar company into pitiful company. I guarantee that
Changing the banner like that will likely cause backlash, so I doubt they'll change the pity UNLESS enough time passed, like maybe another year or two down the line.
Not only that, they'll likely change the free primogem flow to compensate.
Well talking about characters and etc, i really don't think so, because i came from another Chinese gacha game ( Identity V ) and i became very surprised of how Genshin impact gacha is cheap and fair comparing to Identity V, with 10 pulls you have a guaranteed 4* character/weapon, with in max 90 pulls you can get a 5* character, not to mention that you don't lose pulls from banner to banner, meanwhile in Identity V, for one A skin ( the equivalent of a 4* rarity ) you need to do 60 pulls on gacha, and a S skin, absurd 250 pulls!!! Not to mention that the pulls goes to zero from sphere to sphere ( banner to banner ) and the cost of a wish is also absurd, 488 clues ( the equivalent of primogens, clues is easier to acquire than primogens, but it doesn't compensate the insane value ) for a single pull, and 4888 for 10 pulls! So imagine spend 4888 25 times to get a skin for your favorite character? And in only one time because if you need just 1 pull to get your skin and the season ends, bye bye hundreds of clues you've spended, all to the trash, the game style is completely different from Genshin, on aesthetic and gameplay, but still very annoying and unfair, in Identity V we don't have the 50/50 system, but if you lost the 50/50, again, if, you will need to spend max 180 pulls to get your favorite character, what still less than 250, not to mention the save pulls that you already did, in Genshin Impact the welkin moon blessing is pretty cheap to be honest, in my country can be very expensive, to compare, imagine that you have to spend 27,90 dollars on a welkin? Yeah, in my country we need to spend this value, but not in dollar of course, can be pretty expensive for some people but for others not, it's just an equivalent question, everything depends on your financial conditions and the country where you live in, I'm a non rich latin american person, I'm pretty poor to be honest, i can't spend hundreds of dollars in games, but at least welkins and some other little things i can buy with no worries, and for me is worth, because the primogens that i can get make things very very easier to me, principally on get resources like characters and weapons to get a better gameplay, the genesys crystal prices are abusive to me, that's why i never recharge crystals, only welkin, so for me you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars to have a good time playing Genshin, even as F2P, being fair, to get one 5* characters are pretty F2P friendly, collecting resources too, but getting 5* weapons and 5* copies, that's completely P2P
Finally someone else who thinks this! I play idv since bit more than 2 years and yes the pulls are more expensive there....if you really unlucky with a gacha skin and you really need 250 pulls that's around 400 € in my country. And that's just for a skin XD
I just started this video but I want to say: YES. My friends tell me how Dragalia Lost and Grandblue give better rewards, and that Granblue had a wheel of fortune event that gave many awards for their anniversary. I love Genshin but I wish it wasn’t so expensive. I wanna C6 Scaramouche so bad (I believe he’ll be playable) but I don’t want to spend a thousand to C6 :( I started saving too late. I only have 40 fates :( and I need to get Kazu so he can be on a team with Scaramouche when he comes out.
from what I have read, granblue only became generous after massive backlash for something that looked similar to how genshin treated their anniversary, buuut genshin didn't learn or did jackshit after getting downvoted and the orchestra they did makes a lot of people think it wasn't that bad of a anniversary.
@@xLuis89x see the difference is granblue took a hit to it's revenue when the backlash happened. Genshin did not
Um...I don't think you'll have to worry about saving up for Scaramouche for a veeeeerrrryyyyy long time.......like.....several years into the future........
@@RoxasLov3r4Ev3r there are reliable leaks that say he´ll be playable in 3.2 meaning that his banner will release in 3.2. So it isnt really a very long time.
Used to be a F2P here, just spent on Welkins this patch because I really want Xiao, but that's the only reason. I don't think I'll spend again after this patch. I've played for a year and have a comfortable amount of characters that I can build, and clear every current content. Never felt the need to spend because the game is easy enough, and doesn't have much end-game content. The fact that they don't remove characters out of the pool once maxed constellation and the amount of money required to guarantee a banner's 5 star make it not worth it to spend a lot on, even for collecting purpose. So far I've got like C9 or something Noelle 🤨
I had no problem with spending in Warframe but I find it super difficult in Genshin.
Mainly because of Resin, I can't build characters with good artefacts sets by the time another comes along, so I stop caring about new units. I know I won't have enough resin to build them anyways.
When u run out of resin just go touch real life dendro bro.
I feel like one good way to solve this issue would be to have characters available in the Paimon's Bargains consistently. Like how in Cookie Run games have Mileage Points and if you do 10 pulls but don't get what you want, you can just save up the mileage points and get it for sure. They already sort of have that with the solid stars you get whenever you pull a duplicate character, but it just isn't at a reasonable rate AND the characters you can get change often so by the time you have enough the character is gone. I feel like if they changed this function fans would be a lot more forgiving of the gacha greed tactics, and they'd make the same amount since you'd still do several pulls. Possibly more since you'd have a solid goal to work towards and feel certain you will get them
I've been playing this game for like exactly 177 days. I have 8 five stars in total. 2 Qiqi from Standard Banner, Ayaka, Ganyu with Amo's Bow, Yelan with Aqua Simulacra, and Everlasting Moonglow. I'm a F2P player, most of my primogems came from quests, event, explorations and hangouts. To be honest, I really wanna spend on this game but I'm still on highschool and I have to still rely on my parents for money so I can't afford to waste anything for a game.
That last bit about alienating F2Ps is SO true. I play 3 gacha games. Genshin, Blue Archive and Azur Lane. The only game out of them that I have repeatedly spent money on is Azur Lane.
Azur Lane's devs are the best I have seen for any game, I actually WANT to give them my money. I have given them hundreds.
Genshin on the other hand, the conversion rate of dollars to wishes is SO stingy that I don't want to give them money. I have at the start of the game, I bought the welkin twice...and you know what? I regret that purchase. I don't regret the hundreds I have put into Azur Lane, but those 2 welkins I will always regret.
The anniversary taught me just how terrible of a company Hoyo is. They DO NOT CARE about you or me, only our wallets.
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I just think it would be nice if the "rewards" for getting chests, doing commissions, getting achievements, etc, actually seemed like rewards. Fighting a boss or doing a puzzle to open an exquisite chest, only to get 2 primos gets old pretty quickly.
to be fair .. if you're below ar 50 then the chest rewards are good (minus the primos) especially since you can unlock the chasm at ar 10 and the rewards are Way better than the 2 fowl in chests around starfell lake. after 50 the game gets significantly easier so you don't really need the mats they give,, but i assume when they raise the ar cap it'll balance out
what chests??
@@thatweebloser9265 true
@@thatweebloser9265 the,, chests you open?😭
@@xxri i was joking lol sorry if it was confusing qwq
The 50/50 aspect also just kills me. It's not even just losing, it's losing and getting a Qiqi or your 5th Diluc. Getting a 5 star, even if it's a permanent one, is supposed to feel like a reward, but with how many times Diluc has shown up for me, it feels like a punishment. What's the point of paying for pulls if it'll just mean getting another Diluc? He's a character I don't like nor have any interest in playing.
I wish that there was some kind of option where, when you lose your 50/50 on the event banner, you can take what's offered, or you can get some kind of currency that, when you have like 3 or so, can be used exclusively for a permanent 5 star of your choosing (or even a 5 star weapon). Make it a rotating shop if they have to, and limit it to permanent options, but I'd rather take 1/3 progress to another Mona than get any more Dilucs or Qiqis.
MHY makes so much money from Genshin and whenever you criticize them and suggest that they could benefit from being more generous, you get mouth breathers who are all "yOu MuSt Be NeW tO gAcHA GaMes" like damn you live like this?
And being "better" than other gachas in that regard is an _incredibly_ low bar to clear and is not an accomplishment. It doesn't make Genshin less predatory--and that's assuming that Genshin being 'better' is even true in the first place. Most other gachas offer more free pulls and have significantly higher chances on getting chars, though they lack the pity and 50/50 systems.
I can't wait for genshin to fade out so it becomes more playable, seems like the problem is that there's too much people, specially in China and Japan, willing to pay a lot of money for it so it makes sense to Mihoyo to implement this "punish the poor" system but when whales migrate to another game Mihoyo will have to make the game f2p friendly or close their servers.
Also I have 2 qiqis, 2 Keqings and 1 Dilluc that I don't use, It would be nice if they´d let you choose something like you said or at least choose the character from the permanent banner, I wouldn't mind to loose 50/50 and get a Mona or a Jean on my own accord, like I could loose 6 banners and be happy cause I have a c6 Mona but now, I just have qiqis and keqings sitting there unused
Honestly, I'd be happy if they dropped characters from the pool once you hit C6, rather than giving some currency.
That way, the most you'd ever see Qiqi was 6 times, and it'd be much more feasible to collect all the characters.
It might even be good bait for the giga whales if running out of regular characters meant you get a chance at a character from a banner you missed.
As someone who lost to Jean and Keqing twice for a character I really wanted like Yelan or Raiden it make me upset especially when I still don't have a Diluc, a ability to get any standard 5 star character or weapon for losing the 50/50 to much will make this game so much more enticing to pull more and somewhat never get mad or upset.
And yes I have played this game for over 2ish years if you're questioning it.
Bro deadass if the event character banner is like the weapon, or explain like what you said, so instead of losing 1 time and get 100% on the next, i would have to save up 3?
@@jajathenewking6131 wait how did you play this game over 2 years when it is only 1 year and a half
A lot of people like to ignore the fact that time spent while playing genshin is valuable. It's a lot of time wasted on collecting primos to have a small chance of getting ur desired character. Which I feel like is totally unfair for the people that saved up and grind for months only to get shafted by the gacha.
i have realized this recently with so many content creators starting new accounts for their "x weapon only" series. they grind quests and chests on hours on end and cant even do a 10 pull. genshin is really stingy with giving free stuff to the point where literally playing the game for hours wont get you the slightest chance of getting what you want. not to mention you *will* run out of things to squeeze primos out eventually. i salute f2p players.
meanwhile there's people like me who win 4 or more 50/50s in a row while spending 0 money on the game, but then again I have no life so I really can't complain even if I lost those 50/50s
@@einhasad7 Exactly! Same here. 👌
1. If they girned for months theyd have enough to c2 c3 a character
2. I enjoy siting on sundays to explore and chill
Jus becouse you make the games miserable for yourself doesnt mean everyone does it
@@einhasad7 as someone who used to misery grind to keep up, giving it up to actually enjoy myself, then eventually finding myself actually enjoying grinding I can say that mobile games go pretty far to make their grinds both constant and unenjoyable. They want you to keep playing but they want you to not feel satisfied until you pay for a dopamine hit. You CAN avoid that and play to enjoy but it's working against the system.
Myself I very much enjoy genshin and even get a lot of the tasks done. But I have to keep myself in check on any compulsive tendencies. If I have dailies and would rather quest I go quest. If resin is maxed but I was about to quit I quit. It's kept the game fun and interesting. But you still feel like the person at the bar waving away that next drink saying 'nah, I had enough'.
We can work around this but it really isn't a good thing when you have to fight the game every time you want to play it.
Im from Brazil and genshin impact is DEFINITELY way too expensive for me over here. It's absurd to me that they charge 550 BRL for the biggest crystal pack. Just for reference: 550 BRL is half the rent of my apartment. They didn't take into account at all the purchasing power of a brazilian person when pricing the items and instead just converted 100 USD to BRL. I'm absolutely certain that had not they done that, there would be many many more brazilian whales out there.
im from turkey and we have to work for like 60 hours to get the 100 dollar bundle and there's still a chance that you don't get the character you want
é só ridículo como os packs são caros aqui e pior mesmo vc comprando o mais caro não tem garantia NENHUMA q vc vai ganhar o personagem q vc qr
Não tem que ter baleia em lugar nenhum, gacha tem é que morrer mesmo, simples assim.
they probably can't adjust price too drastically, otherwise people will just buy from those countries, like steam now
@@rinuskoe99 exactly
I think its a bit insane that you can c6 a character and STILL keep getting their constellations. Like you've thrown money away anytime you get them. They should take the character out of the pool anytime it reaches c6 ESPECIALLY 5 star characters
That is called "GREED" how he said. They want that 1000$ Bud not the 10 100$ Idiots.
They should reduce the Pulls from 160/1600 down to atleast 80/800 ... or better 60/600. they earn more than enough to afford that. But no, instead of Hoyoverse listening to the community, they prefer to release 2-4 new characters and 4 new weapons every 1-2 months while others don't even have 10 or 14 characters after 1 year.
@@tomokokirihara3436 and most of those characters are trash while youtubers hipe them all up for some reason
*cough* Qiqi *cough*
i think it should be 100/1000 i don't think they should lower it so much because that takes away the joy of getting to pull i can get 80 by doing daily's or just 1 hr of exploration i do understand your point, but in my point of view the pricing of pulls should be around the same and change the genesis crystals prices (im f2p) @@tomokokirihara3436
@@EllaNonimatono your just shit or can't build them
Long story short:
Yes. Yes it is. The fact that you can pay a hundred dollars without receiving the character you want is just insane.
They know this and they don't care.
@@ElusivEnigma people know this and still spent.
@@EllaNonimato Imagine playing for months saving for a character then not getting it ofc there gonna spend money their outa choices bc the game sucks and is tryna stress players out so they pay.... this didn't happen to me but prob all the ppl that pay for characters
Yes...Hundreds of dollars for a constellation or weapon, relatively small or unnecessary dps increase, without any endgame content, leaderboards or pvp.
With the money i spend in genshin i can play elder ring , or buy the xenoblade chronicles(i dont remember that one) games .
@@foxshoot3138 or learn English 👀
Sorry, im feeling toxic today🥱🤣
Yeah, hoyoverse should really use like a leaderboard content, maybe a dps ranking or something to catergorise the endgame players. An endless domain where there is a time limit for how much your dps is. Then at the end of like a month, give rewards based on ranking of dps
Edit: why else should we spend money more than $100(just for a specific 5*) and use resin on artifacts anyway xD
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@@basilisk.. i reality i have problems with the tiping , like bruh but i will fix the thing , its a bitch to write 2 times each time i need to tipe someting but ok
As a long time player, the value of Genshin is something I often think about. I'd classify my spending as plankton. Not zero, but might as well be. I actually want to spend, but the returns on the options given are so low, it feels almost pointless.
A wider question for gaming in general is what is a game worth? Before mobile era, you mostly pay for a title once up front and you're done. I know development models have moved on since then, for example with season passes and DLC. Is value over time a good metric to judge a game on? I don't have these answers.
As a F2P i don't see alot of value in Genshin outside the Plot/Fun Setting...i saved some primos and the first character that i pulled was Ganyu and to this day she still kills whatever the game throws at me(and i also have Ayaka, Hu-tao and Eula), there's nothing else to do daily/weekly that i need to maximize the damage of all my characters or even build them, i think 10 characters are enough and leveling characters doesn't help you leveling other characters faster, you are stopped by the artifact RNG and Resin cap and very shitty drops and Quest rewards.
To answer your question, i value games in how fun i think the game is, my oldest example will be Castlevania SOTN, that game was literally the first platformer i finished and the replayability of that game was insane, and most recently was RE2 remake/Prey 2016 games that i enjoyed to learn all the mechanics until the point i could finish a run in just over 1 hour and 10 mins in RE2, in both cases the gameplay was the main point, but in the end felt really complete experiences and replaying them was also fun, i think that a game has value if you can play it alot and always have fun
you bring up a great point, because nowadays literally everything is a monthly subscription, not just games. your wifi, your news, your Disney+, even your goddamn digital art programs.
I think the era of microtransactions and dlcs truly started when games moved into the online system - which encourages multiplayer and comparisons. Old games were pay upfront and play during the single player focused era but now companies have to invest in maintaining servers which means few games are complete at start but would rather add DLC or content as time goes on to incentivize continued spending. This has enabled a lot of the predatory and gambling practices in gacha as well as other games
At the end of the day it's like vars said, how expensive a game is is mostly situational to the player. I've seen f2ps who have at least one c6 (mostly ganyu or shogun for some reason) limited character with the other few five stars they have being only c0. Makes sense to focus on the character you like the most and save for their max power if it's not possible to afford all others reliably. FOMO is lethal because if you waste the little resources given for free going after every five star then the game will definitely feel expensive - even for a whale.
That and plus doing a lot of pulls after a period of saving tends to do things to the rng... i.e where you get a five star in one 10pull after a previous five star, sometimes two five stars in one ten pull, or reaching pity early so technically not impossible to c6 if this + winning 50/50 happens consistently.
Yes, prices are insane, specially for a game devoid of endgame.
Plus, we've seen that the money generated does not primary flow back into Genshin but rather into Hoyo's other projects
@@gilroyscopa that's what you think...
@@gilroyscopa true that they even invest to a literall space shuttle company which doesn't even have something to do with a game development
@@gilroyscopa You can say that about every single game out there.
Yeah the prices suck ass, even with the first purchase bonus. I can't even get a guaranteed 5* if I spend 100 bucks on genesis (I'm not p2w btw) but yeah the game is a gacha, you can't expect gachas to always have content.
You didn't even mention how insanely rare the Blue Fates get in the later parts of the game. Between the 5 per month from the Shop and the ones you get from the Battle Pass you can do maybe a single Standard Banner 10 pull per month. The lack of availability basically makes the Standard Banner entirely obsolete and relegates it to be nothing more than a small-time scam to trick people into buying the wrong currency from the Shop.
ehh i mean you can get pretty much everything on the standard in the event wish except 5* weapons .. youre not missing out on much unless you really wanted skyward harp
i just want my starter cons, and they're only available at the standard banner as well as 2x a year on the monthly shop. if there were more sources of blue fates that would be nice since monthly we get 5 and per patch another 5 from BP. its 25 fates (per two patches in 3 mos) so like... not even a 10pull per month, just 8.33 something.
@@xxri ...or Amber
@@Nokyyyyy amber gets harder to obtain with every patch so idk if people still try for her or the starters😭
@@xxri I’m like 90% sure I got my skyward harp from the event weapon banner.
I used to do welkin + bp but now just welkin... I wish the first 5 star on the character banner is guaranteed to be the banner character so people who don't spend much or are f2p have a chance. 3000 * 11 and 1000 * 7 so I have like $500 worth of primogems.
Wait, that wasnt a system? so I won 50/50 that day during hu tao rerun?(it was the first banner i pulled on at ar 20 and got her in 25 pulls)
@@sleeper5905 yup.
@@sleeper5905 yup, I lost my Venti to Jean when I started (and this time I lost him to Qiqi)
@@sleeper5905 LMAO, i have C2 Mona & Qiqi and received all 5* Standar Banner character as F2P, lose almost all 50:50, the sistem is shit but it's ok the content is free
@@baked_pxtato That's called luck. My alt account won 50/50 and got Ayaka at around 60, then Qiqi at 15, and then Yelan at 3(!!!). This does not mean that there's a system where 5 star rates escalate with each 5 star, just that I got EXTREMELY lucky 3 times.
The only real systems are 5 star at 90 without one, 4 star after every 10 without one, and 50/50 of feature or not, and guaranteed featured for the next one 4/5 if you lose the coinflip.
Vars : hey hoyo giving more rewards will make player spend more!
Players who experienced 1st anniversary : Vietnam flashbacks
Hoyo : dear player, please take 100 mora and 1 chicken
One whole chicken? Oh my we are SPOILED
Man, looking back at it the 1st anniversary fiasco was an emotional rollercoaster. Community was split one side ready to start a revolution built on hopium with solidarity from other gacha communities coming out and saying that 1st anniversaries are an institutional staple for the entire mobile game genre and Hoyo's inaction ain't right. On the other side full of 1st time gacha players and gatekeeper vets turned in to Hoyo defenders. Acted like foreigner CCP talking heads telling citizens that the gov't does no wrong. All Hoyo did was drip market Itto's abs for everyone to forget. In the end we got the concert wings and primos just short of a multi that Hoyo initially planned to sell as a bundle and worded their mail very petty, that we made them do this, acting like my guilt-trippin Asian parents. Shit was wild.
@@shookone what make it ironic that the defender excuse player opiniom censorship as "moderation" unfortunately for them 4 months later Genshin amd the dev got hard karma because CCP decide to censored 4 of their character. It was funny to see their reaction fill with copium and denial because they made excuse "it's neccesary and it's free" ignoring that it was pure censorship and lie to us said the costume won't affect the story for global then pretend the og skin not exist, in the end the playerbase is kind of win.
This is not really the first time Mihoyo taste their own poison. After the incident of HI3 global 3rd anniversary, did their global player dirty ,take away their deserve bunny event and had the audacity throw them with a small pouch of crystal as "compesation", jump to now their CN server get alot of censorship that is what happen when you bend the knee to the CN water army and fanatic CN player, not only the CN server got heavy karma their own player got Hard karma aswell.
@@shookone I’ve been playing gacha games for years most at launch before genshin and I was on the side of people were hella over reacting. If anything i think it’s backwards, new gacha players were the ones acting like anniversaries have to have giant rewards a lot of people even clamoring for a free 5 star, when gacha veterans realized that was completely out of the question. Comparing fgo’s first anniversary to now where they bascially only gave 20 pull in the form of 30 Sq and 10 tickets and a lucky bag which is a guaranteed 5 star but you have to use paid premium currency to pull so it’s not even free. Even before the controversy genshin was giving us 10 pulls as well as other basic materials, given it’s much lower pity rate, that was well within that standard of first anniversaries for gacha. Now the current anniversary FGO is about to get gives 30 pulls immediately, adds missions that provide up to 40+ more pulls and if you’ve done all the story quests in the game by the time the anniversary drops you automatically get a resource thay can be exchanged for 50 more pulls.
Gacha games as well as their events and anniversaries start small and build. I’m not trying to just blindly defend mihoyo and say they can do no wrong, but it’s Defintely the not gacha players that started the outrage over not being given as much free shit as they wanted.
@@GT-xw7rg Aw don't get me twisted bro, I get your stance. I'm also an FGO player since launch and have seen the game and devs make some serious strides over time from being stingy af to being Oprah on anniversaries. What I forgot to mention was that Hoyo was in an extremely special situation where they were the golden goose of the genre. King on its throne, fastest game to net over a $billy in less than a year. JP, KR, and certain CN gachas gave out SSRs, high demand mats, and free multis for much lesser milestones. The expectation from vets and 1st time gacha players alike would be what if, a game like Genshin with it's high quality and massive worldwide playerbase, what the rewards would be? Unfortunately shit panned out the way it did. Genshin eventually treated their CNY Lantern Rite event like it was THE anniversary instead of celebrating the actual date/week the game launched which is kinda on brand with the CCP being a sleep demon on their chests.
I wasn't trying to set up a debate or anything I was just being introspective lol. Btw how many SQ have you saved for Castoria? She's so close!
The worst thing imo is that as an F2P, if you lose 50/50 after months of grinding you know you won't be getting the character you saved for for another year at minimum and more if the banner doesn't do that well (unless you get really lucky which 99% of people won't). Even worse if there's a 4 star you want. You risk not getting the 5 star character you want for a really long time.
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@@maplezigzag what's that supposed to mean?
we all know they don't care to much abt f2p players, because in the end they are not what generates revenue, they are just there for hoyo to brag about their numbers and how popular they are. And yh as scummy as it is many other free games follow the same mentality.
I lost every 50/50 so far. But thankfully (so far) I got 3 early 5 stars out of 5
@@Justsayhiplz for the law of the big number you should be getting your luck back sooner or later
As soon as you said ganyu is possibly worth 100 dollars I'm immediately reminded as to why the rest of the gaming community looks down on mobile and gacha.
Imagine saying a character is worth 100 dollars to yourself back in a time before you discovered mobile gachas. A lot of us have been tempered by these predatory systems to actually reason that a single character in an online only live service is worth 100 dollars.
Really puts it into perspective tbh...
Yupp compare that to buying two $50 full fledged video games. The lack of value in that money spent is atrocious.
Why would people who are not gonna spend a lot of time on the game spend money on the game? Maybe that 100$ they spent is gonna entertain them longer than that 2 50$ games they could have bought also idk if its easier to get primo gems at the start but i started playing 10 days ago and i have 50 pity 34 rolls im gonna try to get hu tao so it doesnt seem like getting primo gems is that hard
@@MKG_ My brother in christ... Are you really trying to argue that a fucking 5 star gacha character that costs basically $100 to get (assuming you don't lose the 50/50), is worth the same entertainment value as 2 triple A titles such as Call of duty or Elden ring? You're early game so of course you get primo's easily - once you exhaust the exploration chests come back and let me know if your still of the same opinion.
@@masterlukestynes im saying that depends on how much you like the game if you dont like the game and dont spend much time on it you wont spend money in the first place if you like it and play the game a lot and spend money on it yes it can give the same amount of entertainment as 2 triple A games just because you dont think that it will doesnt mean everyonr agrees also genshin is a single player game why do you even care about the price if your not gonna spend money?
@@masterlukestynes also genshin is a really long game after the game fully releases it will probably be like 80-100+ hours and i still dont get your point of it not being worth it you dont have to get a 5 star in the first place you cen beat the game withouth wishing a single time the free character the game gives you is enough to beat it getting a 5 star is optional
The fact that 3* floor 9+ of spiral abyss doesnt even give you enough primos for ONE pull is fucking insane
Just as generosity begets generosity, contempt also begets contempt. Between the 1 year anniversary fiasco and losing virtually every 50/50, I'm 1000% justified in never giving Hoyoverse a dime of my money, past present and future.
what really happen at 1st year anniversary? Sorry I am a new player
@@ShyDeath Very small rewards. Maybe like 10 pulls and some in game resources. People expected way more, since it was the first anniversary of such a big game.
@@ShyDeath The reviews for the app on Google Play and the Apple App Store too I think dropped down to something like a 2 stars rating and so many players were fuming about the lack of rewards.
Understandably, a lot of players expected the one year anniversary rewards to be very good because the game was bringing in millions of dollars and surely they could afford to give players lots of rewards for playing the game in it's first year. But, the rewards that were given were fairly basic and so many players were annoyed with this so they trashed the reviews for the mobile version and it just made the game look like complete trash in every aspect when they were really just annoyed about the rewards. I remember scrolling through the reviews and every single review up to a certain point was about the anniversary rewards and none of the reviews that I saw were positive.
The game is expensive if you put money into it. I have bought the Blessing of the Welkin moon a handful of times - as a new player, you may see this in the store along with the Genesis Crystals etc. I got a decent amount of primogems and I have two accounts to compare between the effects of paying and not paying in the game - my niece has an account that she has never spent money on, it's currently at adventure rank 32 and my account that I have spent money on is at adventure rank 44.
My account has several 5 star characters whereas my niece just has Venti. She uses the wishing system all the time and so far, she hasn't gotten any other 5 star characters at all. The wishing system works by guaranteeing a 5 star characters every 90 wishes that you make and my niece has made at least 80 wishes now. I have about 6 characters that are 5 star and I got all of them very quickly. You can get 50/50 chances which means that you have a 50% chance of getting another 5 star on a limited banner and this happened to me recently as I had already gotten Kamisato Ayaka and I then got Kaedehara Kazuha a few days ago. That was a 50/50 that I actually won. It seems like every other 50/50 is a loss though, I have lost so many 50/50s it feels like and though I haven't spent thousands on this game, I have a maximum constellation 5 star, I think it's Qiqi and I did spend some money to try and get Raiden Shogun and Xiao but lost each time to Qiqi believe it or not lol
Same here. I will remain an F2P for this game until the day I die.
That last part is what I've been thinking about this game since earlier days of the game. It is unbelievable how disrespectful MiHoYo can be towards both spenders and F2P. The extremely low primogem gain through One-Time achievements, quests, chests, teleport points etc. The 1 billion primogem web event, which turned out to be a complete lie as people got up to 3 tiers of primogem rewards with the lowest being 108, I think. The anniversary and its immediate knee-jerk reaction for damage-control by the company (the rewards we were given were supposed to be part of a pack to be purchased for 30$ or somesuch). Streamer events that shaft the streamers or do not reward enough. 30 fucking primogems for completing the Spiral Abyss with full marks.
I get that it is a gacha game, but holy fuck does it feel like MiHoYo loves to spit in our face and make fans do all the marketing work for them FOR FREE. WIthout paying fans that put a lot of effort into their works. And to top it off, with the IMMENSE amounts of money the game has earned in this short term, they refuse to reinvest even some of the money back into the game to make changes and fixes. Hell, there have been 3 instances of re-used cutscenes. One with a Dragonspine event, second with Inazuma's main quest of meeting the Shogun, and third being the encounter with the Ruin Serpent.
F2P I get cause they aren't spending money. So I would agree, why cater to them? However, when you snuff even the people who spend money on your game. Yeah...that's bad.
You also have to remember this game is built for China first and the rest of the world second. That's where the problem lies. Other mobile games don't have this problem because they build for the global market and then just do what China wants for them. As long as they develop in China, it will always be this way. Get use to it or play something else till more content comes out.
As far as the marketing goes, yeah it's lazy. However, people are dumb enough to help them knowing full well they won't get paid. You can't fix stupid. Reused assets are a common occurrence in just about everything. The fact that you're complaining about it makes me laugh. Lots of games do this to cut costs. Yes they're making a ton of money, but that still doesn't mean they won't cut where they can.
@@sjue316 Aye. Doesn't mean I shouldn't call out BS business tactics. Stuff can be re-used if it doesn't make the end result look cheap. For the most part that seemingly has not been the case for Genshin, though it has other glaring issues. Short-term profits only gets the game so far, hence why they are also introducing 'new projects' because of probably noticing the dip in Genshin's popularity.
Makes me wonder whether it's actually cheaper for them to crank out new IP-s rather than make more meaningful changes to existing ones. I hear good things about Honkai despite never having played it.
Genshin was a stroke of good luck, but they do not seem to have any idea on how to keep it going. That or capitalism really is that idiotic.
@@VeryLewdBeaR It’s not a product of capitalism. God you sounds like a fucktard. Things don’t go the way YOU think it should. Let’s blame something unrelated.
You can call out the BS all you want. They’re still not going to listen to you, especially if you’re F2P. As I’ve said in other comments, they only care about the Chinese market as they weren’t expecting it to be as big of a hit with the rest of the world. Now they’re struggling to keep up. If the game dies, it dies. It mainly dies from where the development team is from and how restrictive their government is on everything. It has nothing to do with capitalism.
@@VeryLewdBeaR Honkai got a facelift during late-2021 (5.2 Mobius patch I think) when all the burnt-out Genshin players started playing and making it more recognised. I remember a two or three week-long stint where Genshin CC's tried out Honkai for the first time and actually liked it. Genshin is too rooted in their ways, but we are starting to see competition emerge, so we might see some change. The new archon quest was a breath of fresh air after the fucking hot mess that Inazuma was and showed a bit more care and effort, so baby steps?
Honkai wasn't as stable as it is now, you can read about the bunny girl anniversary controversy that someone almost got stabbed over.
@@niajoby4973 Friend reminded me today that we're 3 months away from another Genshin anniversary and that he can't wait for a new shitstorm. Have not tried the latest archon quest as I believe you're probably referring to that. Yet to carry on with Itto's quest to then be able to play the event. I have a strange thing with that because deep down I think I avoid finishing all the incoming content as soon as possible because of the dawning of the fact that there's nothing else to do afterwards.
I have been secretly hoping that MiHoYo will get a slap on the ass to finally start doing more. Nice to hear some extra info about Honkai. Cheers. Though I really love Aponia's design, both aesthetically and gameplay-wise, I doubt I can bring myself to get into another gacha.
For the sunk cost fallacy, I feel like that also applies to the time you've put into the game too.
As a dolphin, the amount of money I've put into it doesn't really bother me that much. What forces me back, almost paradoxically, are the countless hours I've spent actually playing the game. It's an endless cycle, depressingly.
Take a break from grind if you feel burn out, you can just do events that you like, and new quests, your account will still exist you don't need to log in everyday.
I dont get it. It doesnt take too much time to play commissions or quests or events and like welkin is only a few seconds and battle pass not that much primos and is simply leveling easily with enough time 40 days u can do with simple daily resin spending on bosses or artifacts, also wont take max a few hours a day. All that can simply be done in an hour even on daily so its not like its that depressing or boring.
@@bluedragon8223 Because there are thousands of games that I can play for an hour every day and have more fun than endless boring grinding for no fucking reason.
@@gigan3838 This exactly. Doesn't matter how quick the dailies are done if its not fun. Sometime I don't even want to spend 5 seconds to login and claim my blessing moon 90 primo. That's how bad the endless grind get. Even after you farmed primos for months to get the character you want, you might lose the 50-50 OR you might not even be able to play them because you don't have the billion material needed to level them up to your current world level.
@@Zuvas Quick question : I've never bought Welkin before. If I were to buy it and for whatever reason I don't log in for a day, do I lose that day's 90 primos forever? Or can I still get it the next time I log in, like pulling up an email in my inbox?
my idea for Genshin to be a bit f2p friendly
1. check in reward. 160 primo a month instead of 60
2. free daily pull on standard banner
3. free 10 pull or discount for a new banner uprate
4. weapon banner. reduce pity cuz 240 for a guaranteed kinda ridiculuos or make 2 separate banner like character banner
+ commissions should give more primos and in-game resources
The free daily pull on standard banner would be amazing!
The third option is amazing, good idea
The 1 and 4 are razonable, but 2 and 3 is too much, mostly 2
2 could be a good reward for someone who played for a long time (like 1000 days or something)
I feel like u are right about making it more generous doesn’t necessarily mean that they will lose money.I feel like PGR is a good example of this that,yes you may not get everything but it’s at least generous enough to give enough resources and time to try and save for the char I want in a short period of time especially since all the chars u will pull for come in 60 pulls most of the time and the weapon u want in 30 pulls.But people still pay to get everything even tho it’s not much of an obligation mainly because they chose to support the company even tho they are generous with their prices.
I agree, PGR sets a good balance on spending. Never in the almost year the game has been released in GLB have I been pressured to spend, unlike nearly every other gacha I've played... A lot of their gacha lets you choose your uprates (minus S rank frames). I'm very happy with this system, I happily buy lots of limited skins and monthly when I can instead.
They might not be raking in the most money because of it... but they do show lots of love to their game. The current CN patch Surviving Glimmer is insane... ~6 hour long story, so many more CGs than usual and live 2Ds, BG music, and an insane amount of character development in one patch for a single character.
Honesty agree. The whales will still whale for constellations and the F2P will still remain F2P without being a big source of income for them. Another good example is Arknights imo, I consider it very generous and they are still doing well with earnings.
*YES !!*
Finally someone mention PGR !!
I think the only hiccups for F2P is that u HAD TO dedicated every BC for new S Rank unit to hit 60 pity. But _ATLEAST_ its weapon Pity is *HALF* & its not going anywhere.
Fack Genshin 😑
@@whyhellothere6855 Well I almost agree to Arknights being F2P but the problem came when they introduce Limited Operator & that 300 Spark point...
I say 75% balance F2P experience
@@teukucutrakhman265 I agree with the spark system. But at the same time Arknights is so generous with everything else - not to mention the spark system limited operators are the only characters that are not permanent - id still say it’s really F2P. They still have to make money somehow, and as a F2P I understand I cannot ask for everything to be given to me easily, since I’m not really giving them a lot of revenue. And plus with limited ops only coming every 6 months, I’d say Arknights is still one of the most generous gachas I’ve played.
Im really just wishing for a Genshin competitor so that they would be more generous
this. Im wishing these new games success so Genshin would actually give a damn
I read generous as gorgeous and that was pretty confusing. But anyway, I agree
Yeah... that wouldn't happen. If you think they care what other companies do, you're mistaken.
As much as I would hope for that Genshin is one of the more generous gachas with their rewards.
@@sjue316 not if their sales starts plummeting lol
"There is a saying that generosity begets generosity. If the playerbase notices how magnanimous the game developers are they are inclined to support those developers and therefore reciprocate."
*Flashback to Genshin's 1st anniversary*
Would you mind to fill me in? What happened back then?
@Yosep Ryan Agusta In most gacha games the developers are very generous when it comes to their anniversaries. So they give something obviously something special for the occasion or they have massive sales/outfit/characters.
But in Genshin's case, the rewards were, to put it nicely, mediocre. There were no real differences between the new player login and the anniversary gifts. On top of that, to get more rewards it is locked behind a send-a-wish event where winners are chosen randomly and an art contest. Another gacha albeit there were many small rewards unrelated to the anniversary.
But the fact that chosen art submissions will be featured and excites the artist with primogems, it's sorta like free marketing. It's both disgusting but also genius because Hoyo is actually a really small company. You can see how people have divided opinions.
Maybe this will fill you in how excited the community was: ruclips.net/video/rqtjVZc2du8/видео.html
@@YosepRA 2 wishes prize 💀
@@mypfpislilterallyyou1623 no way. That cant be true!
Game is a status symbol for some rich Chinese. Status is king there and speding bucks is where it's at. A cheapie game won't cut it.
I've been saying it almost since launch: Genshin's primogem income, both from event/daily stuff and from all the one-time content (chests, achievements, quests etc.) is way too low, especially the latter
If those were better, not only would Mihoyo have less of a bad reputation for being greedy, since a majority of gacha games' income comes from whales, raising stuff like chest primogem drops to a much higher level won't affect whale spending much at all, because if you give every player 20$ worth of primos more per month, whales who spend 1000$ a month will spend 980$, or perhaps even more as the game is more player friendly, and in the same way would more players be convinced to spend money in general
Mihoyo seem so afraid of losing out on just a little bit of money through being more player friendly that they won't take the tiniest risk even if it'll very likely work out in their favor, see the anniversary for example
It’s honestly sickening when opening a chest and getting 2 primos🤢 Like “Wow so generous i have to open 79 more just to get 1 Pull”
And it gets even worse when you factor in that it takes about 8 pulls to get a four star, on average. So just 639 more to get a four star.
And if you're a long term player and/or have spent some money, if that four star is a character, you're likely to already have max constellations, meaning you just won a wish. Yay? But at least it is better than a four star weapon you don't even want to refine. That's just some weapon xp and 2/5th of a wish.
Mishityo knows they are greedy, they don't care. It was either make a generic, soon to be forgotten RPG or attach gambling and bring in the gacha addicts.
@@lostconciousness4255 Genshin isn't a generic RPG though. It has more personality than most triple A games. It's on par with Nintendo games with the level of personality and charm it has. They didn't have to make it Gacha, but they did because they're money hungry and because Gacha is apparently the only thing the company knows how to make.
@Mu La Flaga You clearly haven't played the game then, because Genshin is very very far from a generic anime RPG.
Wishing in Genshin is like climbing 100 steps, only to get pushed down 90 steps, and then Hoyoverse tells you "Atleast you went up 10 steps"
It's frustrating and when you pet it that way I feel like just wanting to beat someone up ( although it's not going to happen)
The Anniversary Rewards was that moment when I said - no way I'm gonna ever whale in Genshin. And after losing 4th 50/50 in a row with 80+ pulls for each 5-star and spending $20 to not get Homa I will never spend a dime on this game anymore. It is just not worth it at all.
The Anniversary I feel was them trying to set a baseline that pretty low. The issue is that it's INCREDIBLY low, especially compared to what we get from the average "big" event. Because it was considered the smaller event alongside the CNY (iirc) event.
yeah, after getting unforged when i tried to get mistsplitter, i've become more hesitant on spending. i just don't feel like pulling at all anymore, to be honest. i hate 50/50s because i'm so used to losing now, i'm just waiting to get my c3 qiqi and go.
@@wrioculus same, I only won one 50/50 and I've been playing for over a year. Now whenever there is a character I want I start calculating will I be able to save 180 pulls until then lmao
Eh, aren’t weapon banners scams anyway? At least with character banners pity carries over.
@@princez.2648 Wishing system in general is a scam anyways. Other Gachas according to what their players say do not have that hard pity but give out a ton of summoning currency. I still cant take those 2 fuckin primogems for opening a chest or not even 1 pull from dailies seriously.
The impact of high cost goes beyond Genshin as well. I do spend on Genshin, even knowing they charge way too much. And that includes for things I don't spend for, like resin refills. Which is another area they are way too stingy in, just at what $$$ they seem to value resin at. But I digress. Because of Genshin, I'm not interested in playing any other Hoyoverse title. This differs from Hypergryth, for example, where I not only spend on Arknights, but I started playing, and also spending a bit in, Azur Lane in part because they are much more reasonable of a company. And a step further still, I don't recommend Genshin to my friends. In fact, if asked about it, I am generally critical of the game. A game I play, and enjoy playing, but one I won't recommend.
That said, well, the games at the top are the ones that whale hard while still also having a large player base, so ripping people off seems to pay well.
One thing I do look forward to, though, is the day governments like Britain's and the EU's turn their eye to gacha games, and go after them even harder than loot boxes.
"Because of Genshin, I'm not interested in playing any other Hoyoverse title"
"I don't recommend Genshin to my friends"
saaame, every time I see something about their newer titles like ZZZ or Honkai star Rail, I hold myself back thinking "theres no way im subjecting myself to this bs TWICE"
and I honestly never imagined a fanbase that actively tells others not to play, but i completely agree, I do it too.
@@snivysaur0000 I recommend you to try the other games as they do have endgame content
@@universalspaceexpeditioner8259 i play plenty of other games. genshin just happens to be the 1 gatcha i actually play.
and with how things are? i doubt that list is expanding anytime soon.
''go after them even harder than loot boxes.''
I highly doubt that will happen, the whole backlash on lootboxes and them being banned all over the EU is their whole laws on gambling for children. The main issue here is since pity is a thing it isnt actually gambling. For instance in FIFA which has packs and that recieved huge bans the main problem was you could spend millions of dollars and not actually get anything because nothing is guaranteed. However, this game has bad rates but things are guaranteed if you spend 500$ you are guaranteed atleast 2 five stars for instance.
We can also do our contribution by making the choice of not playing P2W games as a rule. I know it is not always possible to apply it because of friends already playing. But it should be so to get rid of this micro transaction p2w cancer.
Whenever I think about how much money I’ve spent on a PNG of a bow, I remember that it’s more useful and cheaper than an NFT lmao
I agree. I'm a light spender and there have been several times where I almost bought genesis crystals and the only thing holding me back was how much I hate hoyoverse. If they were more kind, I'd feel like they deserve my money, but rn I'm just going full f2p.
There's a massive value difference between buying Welkin/Battlepass or buying the regular crystal bundles. $20 on bundles gets you nothing, $20 on Welkins get you a lot.
even welkin isn't a good deal
Fr one fun day with friends is at least 3 times more expensive than a one-month welkin. 2 welkins got me c2 kazuha so I'd say it's worth it
That is why the game is trash.
you don't seem to get it, while you buy welkins you are also selling your soul to the game that it's forcing you to log on everyday if not you will lose welkin's value
TLDR: Yes.
Long:
When buying a genesis crystals for a wish it costs 2,64€ per wish. The EU already gets 16% less Genesis Crystal per $ US than the US. And it ignores the fact that Genesis Crystal packages amount do not align with Primo Gen costs per wish which results in another loss.
At a hard pity of 90 you pay 237,50€ for a 5* and then you have only a 50/50 of getting what you want. In a worst case scenario it would costs 475,50€ to buy what you want.
That is way too much, like unbelievable too much.
Welkin Moon is actually a decent deal. Fully utilized for wishes it gives 3000 Primos for 4,99€ in 30 days, which translate to 18,75 wishes for 4,99€, at 90 wish pity a 5* then costs 23,95€. Which is still expensive but no longer outer world expensive.
The downside is it requires daily login which of course plays into the hand of Hoyoverse by building a habit and therefore increasing your chances of suffering from sunken cost fallacy. It also means you only be able to actually buy for the 5* you want at 100% pity every 288 days which is ridiculous on its own.
It basically alleviates a design choice by Hoyoverse of not granting the player a free wish per day, with Welkin and the F2P Primos you get exactly 1 wish a day if you use the 300 Genesis Crystal for wishes only. Hoyoverse is selling the solution for a problem they created.
Granted 90 wish pity rarely occurs. The chances increase rapidly from 70 wishes onwards, for normal pulls its far more likely to get a 5* between 70 and 80 wishes than between 80 and 90 and there will be some 5* scattered around at low wish numbers such as ~40. The actual average 5* per amount of wishes is probably between 65 and 75.
Still too expensive.
A 5* of your choosing should costs no more than 60€ and that is already giving them the benefit of accepting ridiculous video game prices. In reality a 5* is probably only worth 2 to 5€ in terms of labour costs etc. Considering the user base the game would still be profitable.
"granted 90 wish pity rarely occurs"
Wait what?
Umm a 5-star is worth 2-5 Euros in cost? Lmao. How about character design, from visual to moveset to background story etc.?
Mate you gotta differentiate better between cents and thousands.
And 5 stars at sub-75? That's luck. The rate goes up after 75, so most will be at 76+.
@@SeanCrosser I could be misremebering but I believe Soft pity is 75-78, in wich u have a huge % chance, and after that is standart rates or a little higher until 90
@@SeanCrosser on a big scale you get one 5* every 62 pulls. Usially you get 5* in between 74 and 82 pulls. Sometimes you get them on pre-74 wish.
it’s mostly how the game’s events, commissions, even exploring, sidequests and endgame content (spyral abyss) gives you bread crumbs in terms of what you need for a pull
60 primos a day per week, that would be 420 primos per week, so in about 4 weeks you’ll get enough primos to have a SMALL chance of getting a character you want
Per patch, you are getting a baseline of about 43 fates. As a f2p, I have gotten more than a 10 pull from this month alone, June 1 - 3rd. The number of primos I got last month was over 7k, which is just over 43 and you have to remember here that I didn't do exploration or quests, and this was during the delay which means no events and would match up with the baseline. You can easily get around 55-60 fates each patch considering that one patch is 6 weeks. This means that you have just less than a 50% chance to get a 5* character every patch. Unless you want every single new 5* character that comes out (very unlikely), you are easily able to save a large number of fates which you can spend to your liking.
@@entityahnilator1883 You are right. Unless you want every single character that comes out, you can get whatever you want.
@@entityahnilator1883 I don't belive this claim, I am a f2p too. You are actually trying to convince me that you got more than 1600 primogems in 3 days without quests, chests or doing the events, free battle pass, etc.
I don't buy this. Are you sure you even know what 10 pulls are
@@cybergamer__ Over a 30 day period of actual refreshing content:
30 days x 60 primos on commissions = 1800 gems per month.
2 Spiral Abyss cycles per month x 600 Primos for 36 Stars total on all rooms = 1200 gems per month.
Totaling nearly 19-20 pulls.
10 wishes in the shop each month, 5 for each type.
5 Standard wishes for maxing battle pass out at Lv50, plus 4 Limited and 680 additional gems if you dropped $10 down.
Totaling 15 pulls + 4 & 680 Gems giving 4 more for spenders = 23 pulls for spenders.
The variable on gem income comes from what events are run and how many gems/fates MiHoYo is willing to part with. Character test runs (20 or 40), Stellar Reunion if you were on break for a large period of time (500 over a week for missing out on days of dailies/events), etc, are also variable as they are not true constant sources.
Claimant said 43 baseline, so he's not far off the mark of where we typically end up. Do lemme know if my math's off somewhere, I've been a bit more tired than usual lately.
@@cybergamer__ It's really simple, we had the great event that gave a bunch of primos,(540 from maze + 180 from event quests on day 3) the maintenance primos (300), spiral abyss reset (600) and daily coms (180). Trial characters (40). That adds up to 1,840 actually. Still doubt me?
I knew it was too expensive and this point, im just waiting for more competition, and less popularity of Genshin with whales to get a lot better rewards than what they are offering. This may never happen, but at this point im just gonna dream on.
I find that Welkin and BP is worth their price. Welkin for people who go in daily, BP for people who want more faster (not needing to use resin) and finish it fast too. I buy both, and I've always had great experiences with them.
Anything else, just seems super expensive after you buy the first deals. I know people are quick to say "It's not as expensive as other gacha games," and I agree with them, but it's still expensive if we're talking about Genshin alone.
i agree and for people using battle pass gets a good critrate weapon that will help you balance your crit stats
welkin is def worth it, bp.. is eh, 10$ is quite a lot. i got bp once because i got to level 45$ and that was the highest ive ever been and i wanted deathmatch for hutao.
@@kriiler I'd argue that unless you can get to lvl 50, you're not getting your entire money's worth. It's by no means a criticism towards you, as not everyone can finish BP because life, interests, hobbies, and time exist.
But excluding all the mats, mora, and weapon... the primos and fates alone are already a $20+ value at lvl 50. Ten dollars is a pretty good asking price imo. Gnostic Chorus is the one I'd say is questionable.
I’ve bought welkin+bp since the beginning and scraped down every event/quest primo and I’d argue Genshin is still too expensive.
You’d think I could own a copy of every characters yet I still have to sacrifice some banners just to get another and I’m still thinking abt their value. I can’t even roll casually for their weapons to optimise and in Genshin’s existence I have less than 5 5* weapons.
I’d argue getting BP+Welkin should provide you already the bare minimum which is at least pulling the featured character at c0 for the primos you get so you don’t miss out and the constellations be the one that are premium.
But rn even if the equivalent of BP+Welkin price is an expansion pack, you still can miss out on getting that “expansion” pack which are the new characters and weapons and that proves how stingy the current system really is
@@zodiacsagittarius344 I say that what you want is impossible now. If Mhy was to give you a guaranteed c0 featured character through Welkin and BP, the stuff we have to do would get 10x harder than they are now, and pricier. After all, the gacha would lose some value from no longer relying on the "missing out" tactic. People who spend up to $180 on a guarantee c0 could turn into $15. That's a $165~ loss for just one person.
So it'd be natural on Mhy's end to maximize profits off BP, while also making it harder for us.
Had they done it back during release, or even further back during investor talks, it likely would've been more reasonable. But now, it's impossible they'd ever do it without some sort of higher (or same) return.
**Also, they would still play into the missing out tactic, now that I realize. But instead of not having enough primos, it's "can you do 50-100 levels within __ days?" It becomes less of how much money you want to spend, and more of how much time can you dedicate every patch to Genshin.
Something I noticed is that most f2p rewards become kinda scummy in late game. If you exclude events you eventually notice that you always get just barely not enough primos for even a single pull. 60 primos a day means you wont be able to do one single pull for 3 days. Real life days. And in the late game abyss? If you struggle your way through an entire floor? 150 primos, oof so close, you almost got a single pull out of 90 needed. Same for late game rank rewards, isnt AR 60 also 150 gems?
Without events and skipping many banners you really get heavily shafted by this game if you dont spend. The game is expensive and impressivly unloving towards the f2p crowd.
And I have seen people call f2p players parasites who do nothing for the game except leech of it etc. Making you feel painfully unwelcome in the community. When in reality the game makes enough money off its whales to not go bankrupt by the free to play people who are being pressured into spending.
I dont mind whales, if thats their way of having fun with the game, thats what playing a game is all about after all. But I hate the more elitist crowd.
agreed. i hate whales becoz of that
But event are literally what make the game alive . That like cutting a gacha part of a gacha game .
@@vengeancewillbemine2104 Hey, let's not hate on whales. They are a big reason why the game is still running, where do you think hoyoverse gets the funds??
@@rororin_mochikoko1533 yeah n also the reason why they dont give af bout f2ps and low spenders... they just billion dollar company so should expect more out of them...
@@vengeancewillbemine2104 No, your take is wrong. It's the company's fault for not catering towards low spenders like me or f2ps. That's why it's so stupid to hate on whales, like wtf. If anything, we should be backing up each other so hoyoverse will be forced to do smth lmfao
They should cut the cost of the gacha and make more cosmetics for the characters.
But that would require them to do more work.
We're almost 2 years in and we have... Like 4 skins? 2 of which are just color swaps.
It's a joke.
I'd be willing to drop $15 bucks on skin for my favorite characters if the characters themselves didn't cost so much.
"that would require them to do more work" you do realize skins are some of the least amount of work to do right? Lmfao "2 of which are just color swaps" who?????? All 4skins are entirely different attire than what the characters normally wear with details that the original outfits do not have at all. How tf is that a color swap? Wanna see a color swap ? Go look up Raven in honkai and her skin that came from the battlepass a couple of patches ago. *That's* a color swap skin. How fucking disingenuous is this dogshit playerbase holy hell lmao
Bad idea. Look at pubg mobile and brawl stars, i don't want genshin to become a funky clothes store
@@Torpedo91 sure, your game becomes a dress up simulator when there isn't much else going on to define the game. But genshin wouldn't have that problem.
But hoyo isn't interested in finding new ways to incentivize spending. They just wanna milk their whales for as much as they can and push everyone else away
@@ReaperCet it's good that they don't give a damn about community. Community has changed the meaning of F2P(Free 2 play) to Free to Pull. They want everything delivered to their feet and don't want to get it by earning it.
I would rather accept a gaming company milking their whales than a company who fills their screen with $ button and puts ads
@@Torpedo91 ads? The entire story is nothing more than an ad for the gacha. That's why they don't let you skip any of it. That's genshin's problem. The entire game is secondary to its monetary objectives. So they won't do anything That's not gonna make them more money. That includes improving the game.
Yes, yes it is. In my opinion a "low spender" with Welkin, BP and some shopping every now and then (so around 250euro/year and that's the price of 3-5 brand new complete games) should have access to just everything, every new character and weapon, even if just one copy each, with constellations and refinements for the whales. But with that amount of money atm you barely get MOST new characters, and you can't even touch the weapons banner at all. Of course you can do everything in the game with just that and you don't really NEED to own everyone and everything (you can even do that as a complete F2P), but it dosen't really feel you're getting yours money's worth back.
I've sprung for maybe one or two 5 star weapons and have always regretted it. Don't touch that banner with a 10ft pole.
That's why I play a No-wish account. No money needed and while I don't even have a Noele, I got Ningguang and Xingqiu at the last events.
I'm at AR 50 with a Wind Traveler Main. I can literally do everything short of clear abyss full stars.
My biggest obstacle was actually mining until I got Xinyan on the even because I had no Claymore
Why is it that people are so fixated on pulling every new character that gets released? The ability to get a newly released character isn't a very good metric for how p2w a game is. Many people don't want new characters and over half of all people skip the new banner. Not to mention the time it takes to build every character would take over a month, meaning that it's impossible to even build everyone you get and be able to play them. There are also many reruns that not only give you another chance to pull people but also an opportunity to skip and save primos if you already have them. Also, the weapon banner is pretty much a big scam, they make specialized weapons for the new 5* which sucks. The big point of pulling on the weapon banner is being able to use the weapon on other people but it just feels bad if they specialize it for one person. Try to really avoid the weapon banner.
@a------------ Who are you doing the farming for if you don't have characters?
@a------------ It's funny because you had no point in the first place. I was giving you a chance to elaborate in even the slightest how the fuck that makes any sense whatsoever, alright? You farm for the characters until you have them built and you can use them forever, that's simple. You're telling me there's no point farming if you just have to do it again which just tells me you don't like gachas, which usually have you farm a lot and don't always magically give you content or have an end.
Well everyone knows the answer to that one haha.
I think a big problem the Genshin community has is trying to live up to standards that simply don’t matter when looking at the big picture.
Even extremely useful upgrades like Kazuha and Raiden C2 can only do so much for a player in an easy game. This is a realization I fortunately came to before I could’ve spent 100 bucks on the aforementioned Kazuha C2
It is nice to have upgrades, but at a rather early point they end up just becoming bigger numbers for the sake of bigger numbers. Everybody already knows this (that the game is easy) but it seems to be often glossed over in practice
I’m sure anyone reading this has seen comments such as this hundreds of times, but yet I reiterate: Use your favorite characters. Use your favorite comps. It’s ok if you want to follow the meta, or if you want to use something with no synergy. Whatever is fun is the best course of action in my opinion
I hate when people say that in competitive games, and in such an environment, it’s not as simple as picking your favorites. But this is an easy game. So do your best to avoid FOMO and exercise patience. If upgrades really matter a lot to you, buy Welkin. That thing is actually a good deal
My gacha dream is to get every guy in genshin along with their family, signature weapons and some of them C6. Though I'm super patient. After all I've been playing seriously after getting albedo on his rerun. And I try to look for positives. Though I do have some luck. Though I may not have a five star weapon. I'm still going to try. I know I must have patience. And so far I'm super close to getting all of the guys. Going to equip my rust on Childe if I get him. Maybe scarifical sword or a similar sword to kazuha if I get him. Though I haven't spent a dime and I have plenty of team comps I can try and mix and match if I want to. I also want heizou once he comes out he'll get my r2 widths if I get him. I find wish simulators help as well. Because you just instantly wish on them with no worries about spending money on them. I'm very patient and can do my best for my guys. I'm also one who tries to help others in co-op just cause I want to play the game more. Sometimes even completely ignoring my multiple side quests to do.
Deceitful domain at max difficulty needs either god tier artifacts or some good constellations
agreed! I regretfully skipped her originally, but that's why I'm going for shenhe even if I have zero cryo DPS's. her design and personality are too good for me to miss out on.
Only in countries with a good ratio to Dollar, in my country the only good deal is the BP but ONLY if you're planning to play untill you get all the rewards with takes a lot of time.
Based.
You know what pisses me off about the gacha in this game?
EVERY SINGLE gacha game gradually add new 6/5 stars into the pool for both standard and limited banners, except for limited characters that are introduced during important events like anniversaries or given for free through game events. That way, at least when you lose the 50/50, you get the chance to obtain some strong characters you missed from previous banners.
In contrast, Genshin only has the same 5 5 star characters when you miss 50/50 in both banners since its inception. What the fuck?
I am not pulling for 5 stars characters anymore, after all I realized that of my 47 characters I mostly use only two teams .... always.
Genshin has a very nice graphic and its characters always look amazing, but I have reached the moment of me not spending more money just because I like how they look and not using them.
What you say it is true, I'm still using Diluc; my first 5 star, today even if I have better characters than him, but I like the way of how easy it is to play Diluc and not Hu Tao, Tartaglia, Yae Miko and the rests.
I play only for fun and my "old" teams is easy and right for an old lady to enjoy this game.🥰
I like Dilluc too
Diluc is actually fun to play, I don't get why people hate him so much, his burst also looks epic 👍
I also think it's too expensive. The things that bother me the most are:
1. 50/50. I totally get that's the point of the "gacha" but to spend all that money for the banner character only for you to have a chance to NOT get them and start all over again...wtf???
2. If I have a character with a maxed out constellation, I shouldn't be able to pull that character anymore bc at that point it's just a waste of of a pull.
3. Ik it may not be the case, but I feel as though some characters have higher rates than others. One day I whaled like crazy to try and get Keqing. I got Qiqi 6 times.....6. Times. How in the holy hell is that possible???? No other 5 star (other than Ayaka once when I tried the event banner. Ending up pulling Qiqi on tht banner too) just Qiqi. I learned my lesson to not pull on the standard banner anymore, but that's still so fucking ridiculous.
Edit: recently lost my 50/50 trying to get venti and guess who I got :)) for the 7th time now :)))))
Well said I agree especially with the extra copies after c6ing a characters it's so useless FOMO is really a predatory tactic honestly and we get blind sided by this too (●__●)
For me, the 50/50 isn't the problem, it's the rate of gain for primos that's very painful
oh god 6 times.. that must have hurt
Ikr! I'm always getting Qiqi instead of what I was actually pulling for.
EXACTLY. If I have C6ed a character, take them out of the running. It would encourage people to pull More because it would slowly increase the odds of getting characters you don’t have already
short answer: yes
its disgusting how any gacha game tries to manipulate people into spending exorbitant amounts of money to unlock a single Item.
compare that to regular games. pay upfront 70 bucks and unlock every character/equipment/skill/etc during gameplay.
live service games are business models foremost to the detriment of the overall enjoyment of the game.
I disagree. Having a game cost €70 from the start is extremely risky because there is a chance you will end up disliking the game. And also, it is not as if being f2p on Genshin makes you incapacitated whatsoever. I’m f2p and have got a Ganyu, Ayaka, Mona, Qiqi and Kokomi.
@@faye7199 ah cyberjunk in a nutshell.
@@faye7199 gacha games end up having way more expenses overall.
@@yummykebab6711 They do, but you are not forced to spend money. Whereas if a game costs money you’re automatically locked out and don’t have a choice.
@@faye7199 you usually dont buy a game if you dont know anything about it. in generall you have an idea what to expect from a game and can make a educated decision if its worth spending full price on it or not.
And even if the fullprice game does not meet expactations you still have the full game to unlock.
as a f2p player in any live service game you will never be able to unlock everything.
The 5 star characters in your case are most likley without constellations. meaning you dont have the complete Characters, you only unlocked 1/6 of them.
And thats what irks me the most. its just a way to coerce players into spending more than on a regular game.
I think it's undeniably too expensive and that the argument of "quality over quantity" in spenders just completely falls flat. If we look at other industries, ones with even harder models for buy-in from consumers like brick and mortars we can clearly see that quantity is far superior to quality in generating revenue. Wal-Mart is by far the largest retailer, Toyota is far an away the largest car company. Even a 20% decrease in the price might result in huge increases in revenue for MiHoyo and it blows my mind how they haven't done this, they keep records of all transactions and could easily "compensate" big spenders with free rewards to make up for a price decrease and then reap in the profits of potentially 100 times as many customers
This is the nature of gacha games, these companies make an absurd amount of money because people are willing to give a car's down payment for a virtual maiden
Your comments reminds me on Crowbcat video about csgo gambling and the player mentality on gambling game aka gacha games aswell. It is just absurb when I heard argument say gacha is not gambling.
If i dont get the character ... i just get a koikatsu mod version :D
Yeah its realy stupid to spend 1000$ on a single character (wich will be gone after server shut down or something in china happens), when you can just get a free hentei version and even date them (but not use them in combat).
Heck you can even get the models for something like VR chat.
Or if you want them for combat, i am sure there are some gta mods or skyrim ones.
But there are games that won't fuck you up like Azur Lane of Girl's Frontline. Most of their income comes from cosmetics and they are quite generous in terms of daily pulling. For example Azur Lane, with only dailies and weeklies you get 33 cubes per 7 days that can be used to do 16.5 pulls and each pull can give you new (or dupe) character and there are also commisions and monthly login that can increase that amout. I'd say that only downside for Azur Lane's gacha is having no pity outside of UR characters that can be translated as 6* for genshin
@@kami761 because Azur Lane and GFL monetization are not mainly from the gacha and mostly on skins, their premium currency can be farmable aswell. Both GFL and AL are example of Pay to Look Good (uhm not that type of pay to look good scam) while GI is Pay to Win. I'm not the best explaining it but there is an youtuber made a better monetization comparison with GI and AL. I'm here not saying just to make AL looks good and GI looks bad, both of these game monetization practise by default is like heaven and hell.
@@chenchen6150 there's nothing p2w about GI my guy. P2W implies that you HAVE to spend money to succeed and do well which is absolutely not the case for GI as much as you might find that difficult to believe. Wanna see what p2w looks like ? Go look at epic seven PvP.
“I don’t know a single person who unironically goes for C6 on every single banner.”
*looks at several RUclips and twitch streamers*
For me if you want to adjust the pricing system, the most expensive option should be equal to a 90 pull.
That would make it much more rewarding for people to want to whale and it can rationalize the primogem drought F2P gets from each patch to give them a reason to spend (outside of first purchase bonus).
As a complete f2p that started playin around 2.3 I have to say I am a bit frustrated on the rewards Hoyoverse gives to f2p players through daily commissions and events. Don't misunderstand I do appreciate the rewards Genshin gives us players but it is really annoying to save up for a character . For example, The Spiral abyss gives you at most 600 primo gems ,if you can 36 star it which is already kind of hard, which is only... 4 pulls for beating the hardest content in the game ! In my opinion that is pretty insulting to essentially get 4 pulls for spending time leveling up your characters, grinding good artifacts for those characters, using ok to good 4 star weapons , using the limited 5 stars you have/grinded for , and then beat the floor with the right time limit just to not even get guaranteed a 4 star . And when you do pull for the character you wanted you get shafted by the 50/50 with a character/constellation you didn't want or need and be left with no more primo gems. I wish Hoyoverse would at least give us players more rewards for spending time playing the game to the fullest instead of giving crumbs to those don't spend money. I understand that the game is easy enough where you don't have to 36 star the abyss, but as a player who enjoys the game I want 36 star the abyss with my favorite characters but since I don't have a Kazuha, Raiden Shogun , Sucrose, Hu Tao, and other optimal characters I can't do it consistently but when I do it is kind of a slap in the face to only get a small amount of primo gems and it is very discouraging to play the game. All in all I still enjoy playing the game through domains, exploration, and sometimes co-op I do have fun playing Genshin Impact but with Spiral Abyss being the only endgame content I want to be rewarded a bit more for challenging myself. If you read this far thanks for reading I know this does come off as ranty , but I do love this game that's why I keep playing it even though content feels dry. I just wanted to state my opinion on how Hoyoverse should at least let players be rewarded for playing the game Spiral abyss is just my main example because a lot of people play it but commissions and achievements could also be improved. Thanks for reading this far and reading about my experience.
i feel like a lot more players would spend more if they didnt feel disrespected by hoyoverse being greedy
The players are equally disrespectful and equally greedy anyway so lmao
I can't count how many times I've thought "if that item had one less zero in it's price, I'd buy it."
And it would definitely be more worth it if they were priced that way. I simply can't justify paying over $200 just to guarantee one 5 star character.
Yes Genshin is absolutely too expensive, there's no debating it and they have nothing to say in their defense for the prices being this high
This, we get it the game is free and the company needs money, but jesus 10 pulls 30 dollars?
@@nadaaqui7407 they uses their money to other games and not in the game itself :( lmfao they literally dont even care about honkai impact 3rd
@@nadaaqui7407 30$ for a 10 pull just to get shafted and get the Bell.
Their only defense is "there are people who have and will continue to pay."
You dont even need to spend... Zero dollars is very cheap.
Just wait till genshin gets some competition in the market. They won't hopefully think so black and white anymore
I think one of the reasons why the game pushes you to spend money is because they perfected the idea of character composition having an impact on how you fight and it motivates more advanced players (in the absence of absolute difficulty) to pull in order to get interesting combinations and strategies. Because battle feels so good, doing well implementing a new strategy has its own satisfaction. There's only so much national team you can run before you get tired of it. And that motivates the more advanced players to pull beyond those pulling for waifu/Pokemon reasons.
You hit me.. right in the spot...
plus the game takes an incredible amount of work and talent. it's an amazing game, and it being *free* makes it almost unbelievable
@@HopeIsADrug11037 the most critically acclaimed games in the world don't bank on player fomo, microtransactions, and endgame content geared to make you spend money for the newest character.
yes players should have some responsibility and self-control (keep in mind that a massive chunk of the playerbase are kids), but more importantly, so too should mihoyo. here's one example: they specifically implemented the welkin moon to be the most "money-efficient" option while also the option that will have you willingly logging into genshin every day just so you wont waste it. that value that the welkin offers comes at a cost: genshin takes up real estate in your brain, no extra advertisement required. you'll be thinking about it every day because you dont want to miss a day of welkin.
there are soooooo many other tricks that the game employs to A. make you spend a little in the beginning and B. make you comfortable with spending even more. thinking about genshin as a free game kinda prevents you from seeing it, and more importantly it prevents conversation about how exactly mihoyo tries its best to get money out of you.
@@hiraya5296 i mean obviously they want money. i never denied that. but think about it: if people didn't spend money on the game, it'd probably be pretty expensive.
you always have a choice to spend on the game. they definitely try their best to get money out of you. but they *do* need money to keep the game running lol.
plus, while the endgame content isn't the best, it's certainly not horrible. at least you can still like... do stuff. plus i doubt people do literally everything in the game before finishing it. there's always something to do, even if you don't personally enjoy it. it's certainly lacking, but ive seen very very *very* few people actually contribute to that conversation. people just say "endgame is lacking" or "Genshin's endgame is horrible!" and don't give anything that can improve it. you can criticize the game, but at least give constructive criticism. because at that point, it's not even criticism. it's just complaining.
@@hiraya5296 also, what fomo? from missing events? a lot of games have events. and a lot of games have micro transactions. and a lot of games have content geared to making you spend money. but that's just the way games are. they need money to keep going, especially if it's something as well made as Genshin *while* being free. Genshin isn't done yet, they still need money to keep going. and of course they're going to want money afterwards. but.... yk i'm actually just tired of typing LMAO i might continue this later but i don't feel like it rn
IMO constellations for 5 stars should be purchasable with star glitter or grindable in some way, like friendship levels or through missions for each character. It’s absolutely dumb that you can spend $100 and not even get a 5 star character or weapon
Ah yes , because it will definitely boost their sale and not totally remove the gacha aspect .
You know what , how about we make 5 star weapon grindable too ! It would definetly boost their sale.
If that was the case nobody would spend any money on genshin again ( except a few people)
Meaning that the sales would go 📉
@@yukipotato4767 that why genshin is less generous than Honkai.
I've spent less than $100 since day one, and have 11 5 star banner characters. Do some resource mamagement and pray for a bit of luck.
It doesn't even need to be that, primos need to either be cheaper and more accessible or pity needs to be lower. The fact that f2p's just cannot hope to get many 5 star constellations is ridiculous. Like there's basically no in between with 5 star cons. Aside from notable exceptions mainly caused by dolphins and super good early cons for some characters everyone basically has c0 or c6 5 stars.
The way I see it: the game isn't P2W. Many people have proven this over and over again. But that's not an excuse to justify character prices, considering Hoyo thinks of characters as content. Looking at it that way, you're basically paying upwards of $100 for a character aka DLC every 3-6 weeks. Imagine paying $100 for a new Call of Duty map very 6 weeks. Yeah, doesn't seem reasonable all of a sudden.
Similar to is it f2p friendly? It's somewhat expensive, unless you have a patience of a saint. The thing is, the games so easy you can skate by with freemogems. Overtime you'll eventually have a good enough team to clear abyss if you're spending your resin wisely and play long enough. I feel like it's pay to get more enjoyment or lessen the grind, and that enjoyment can be very expensive depending on what you're aiming for like weapons or constellations. Also the price for one 5* is insane if you run out of freemogems.
I'd say the only thing worth it is welkin if you play daily. BP is somewhat worth it depending on your conversion, but they intentionally choke you of resources to get you to buy it and the extra resin you save tend to amount to crappy artifacts anyway. Top up is very expensive for what you get, and while that's somewhat normal for a gacha, I feel like even in comparison to other gachas, it's pretty damn overpriced. The pity is both a bad and good thing (mostly good), cause if you're rather close to pity you'd definitely end up pulling out your wallet that you wouldn't otherwise have done. At the same time, at least you can be prepared and save up a certain amount for a guarantee.
I quit playing after launch, recently came back and frankly... the fomo is pretty bad in this game and there's really no way I feel I can feasibly 'save' for anything in particular in advance like I can at all. I've got Venti and Jean, any banner I've rolled on as F2P has felt like "Well if I save for this character, they I'm going to miss out on a chance of rolling for the next three to four characters."
I am loving the game, but the pity system and general approach to the gacha here is simply unfair to an f2p's time investment. 90 Pulls for a 50/50 chance to get what you want or another POTENTIAL 90 to actually get them? It's utterly fucked.
Edit: was 75 pulls in on yelan and got Qiqi... If I have to go to 90 for her I may scream. Lmao
If you play every day, you get enough for a pity every update. That can give you 6 from the 9 limited 5star they make every year on average.
But if you aren't the type to play everyday, I recommend play once per update at least to enjoy the major event.
Compared to other games, yes, it's absolutely too expensive, and what's more important - not too generous with freebies. I wouldn't say it's the worst, there are definitely gatcha games that are worse, but there are also a lot that are better. Let's go for a few examples.
Danmemo has 2 types of banners. A normal and a step-up. Normal guarantees you a new character on your first 10 roll, out of 3 characters in that banner. 3. Not dozens. And then every 3x10 rolls. These rolls cost 400 of whatever orb/gem/dollar thingie you use. 400 is frankly the minimum you'll get for participating in events if you're bad, be it pvp or boss fights. These events come every week or so. If you're better/have better team, you'll get aroun 700. Per week. And that's not the only way to obtain these, by far. You get them for completing quests, dailies, promo events, watching ads, upgrading characters, selling dupe characters etc. Step-up banners cost 200-400-200-400 etc, and every 400 is a guaranteed character. Now, the prices in their shop for these gems... they suck major balls. Waaaaay overpriced. But as a free to play, you can live rather comfortably there.
Bleach Brave Souls is similar. Too overpriced for what it is, but if you do your dailies and every event, you can get around a 1000 orbs per month, with rolls costing around 250 (sometimes it goes like 150-200-250), with every 5th being a guaranteed character from a pool of 4-9. That's less impressive, of course, but still better than Genshin. I mean... can you guarantee yourself at least 1 5* character a month in Genshin? Very unlikely.
Finally, something like Girls Frontline exists. Where characters literally cost you nothing. You just can't physically buy characters there. Only cosmetics. And these cosmetics are amazing, and arguably worth every dollar, but that's not the point. The point is that it's a f2p game that you literally can't buy characters in. So don't tell me Genshin's way is the only way to survive.
I played Brave Souls for a bit, the gacha is much better because simply going through the story gives you orbs to pull, daily log ins and events give a decent amount, and they give a decent amount of units for free like choosing between 10 units and getting one of them, that way at least its a character you wanted and not Qiqi
BBS argument is weird when you need multiple copies of a unit to be viable in the endgame. It is still by far more f2p friendly than Genshin in regard to monthly orbs from senk, resets, events,rez’s, and new units from given bbs tickets. No pity in the game also blows once your at where I’m at in the game(pulling for 5/5 units or gq specific units for sub 10s HGQ). If you maximize everything it’s roughly 10 multis a month(only vets can even do this). So while you can guarantee a 5* every month it’s far less useful than pulling one in Genshin.
for bbs, i agreed. Its way toooverpriced for the amount of you get. But i can say its f2p friendly because you can get a shit ton of orbs by playing story quest, event quest and just by upgrading your character to certain level. It also has a lot event which can give you orbs and mostly ticket to pull a character. Not to mention event quest which you can farm infinitely and get unlimited tickets. Im f2p and play since 2017 and got alot of characters. The only things bother me is that they dont have pity system in their gacha so you might not get your desired character after several pulls but they have higher rate on getting 5 star than genshin on first 10 pull.
@@Antithesis_72 Agreed. If you go to Ragnarok new mobile you need 2 copies of the char to get to level 60, 3 OTHER copies to get THAT CHAR to lv 70 and 4 more to get to 80.
You call genshin expensive, but the game don't actually have ANY paywall. You only get flashier and shinier characters on gacha.
My no-wish account don't even have Noele and I'm AR50. And as the "not too generous with freebies" I have Xinyan, Aloy, Ningguang and Xingqui from events ALONE. And that's because I lost the event to get Fichsl from before
I just started Girls Frontline before the Vallhalla collab they ran like a month ago, after having played Azur Lane, Fire Emblem Heroes and the like for years. Speaking bluntly, GFL's main source of income will be from consistently making players pay premium currency to expand their character slots, on top of skins being a gacha with light ties to gameplay. Azur Lane does this as well, however Manjuu offers way, waaaaay more chances for f2p to do that; in exchange, the skin costs are fairly exorbitant - you buy them if you like Manjuu and want to support their work.
Great video though I wish you also touched on the weapon banner. With already how few primogems you get in the game, having to save enough for a potential loss on the 50/50 then the limited 5* and on top of that possibly pitying twice then getting the weapon if you choose to is such a drain. I really liked the point of how giving out more rewards won't necessarily cause them to lose more, but actually incentivize people to go for constellations if they desire. It's best when the it feels like the developer has more respect and care towards their community rather than feeling like you're being treated as just an income source.
As a gachaless player, I do think it’s too expensive in terms of needing to beat spiral abyss since everything else is easy. According to something i found(because I’m too lazy to do math) it’s 225 usd for a 90 pull and that’s not guaranteed. From 2.0 to 2.6, I’ve only accumulated 45k primos, which isn’t all that much, only 3 90 pulls. It kind of defeats the point of mixing and matching teams for fun, and becomes more meta slave-ish
These are just what I think and there are probably better arguments so don’t murder me in replies
you get 66 primos perdollar on the 30$ deal, so yea, around 219 dollars for a 90-pull. Bullshit, if you ask me. You need to spend 440 bucks to makes sure you get ONE COPY of the character you want
Everything is getting harder though. There are normal mobs that have more HP and are technically stronger than some Mondstadt Bosses. Quest are also getting more ridiculous, mundane and boring. So the game is even far less fun than it used to be.
Thats a you problem, as a f2p I got a lot more than 45k primos in that time frame.
At least double that ammount.
@@danielcarrilho5217 Well that I don't disagree with, but the content created to get those gems is becoming mundane. Often tedious. For example. If you didn't finish the Chasm which is a very boring linear none open world, dialogue heavy, ass dragging quest line, you can not even smash space bar to skip through dialogue for some reason. Everything in it seems designed to take forever to do. Well you can not advance, and the Chasm I didn't finish up until recently because it was the worst quest line I've seen since Fog Island and I just didn't enjoy it.
Examples why below.
1. Firing a Cannon is a multi stage process, with many different quest based steps/exploratory moments, fetching/gathering/unlocking items just to blow a hole... they could of just let us activate the cannon, or perhaps craft some gunpowder and a cannon ball something which we should be more than able to do, everyone. Heck, I have a Klee I should be able to blow up mountains, but character aside. It's dumb and tedious, not really fun.
2. Purifying Crystals. Not only do you have to climb up/down a cave not designed for climbing, unlike the fun regions of Mondstadt and Liyue, you also have to fight enemies at most of the crystals, use the new gadget to unlock the crystals, gather light to repeat the process, but you also have to boringly stand next to the crystals for a set period of time to well charge them. A totally unnecessary step in particular.
It's similar to the "Fog" Island as a nicknamed it, good story/characters but the questing itself was among the worst in the entire game, and just not enjoyable. I mean how many times I had to gather leaves for the same tree, or make the fog go away only for it to come back again, just so they could stack more parts of the quest to clear the island... it was frustratingly annoying to do.
Basically it's all designed to be as time consuming as they can get away with without driving players away and I absolutely hate it when games INTENTIONALLY waste my time. It's what drives me away from a lot of MMORPGs, and I hate that my SINGLE PLAYER Gacha game is doing it now.
What is worse, when they add a new region, normally the Event or Banner post release REQUIRES finishing specific quest or unlocking new regions just so you can participate. Which actually locks a lot of people out of rewards, or forces them to CRAM as much a work load as they can per day to catch up.
Over all, the game is becoming a chore instead of actually being fun. They try to push out events often twice a month and do not give people time to breath or even take breaks.
@@danielcarrilho5217 touch grass
It's too expansive for most people. Sooo, it's too expansive.
Also I agree with your statement that generosity begets generosity. I play another game called Eternal : Card game (which is similar to Magic : the gathering) and you could say that openning card packs is similar to doing wishes in Genshin. Well, in Eternal they give you 1 pack for your first win every day so it gives you an incentive to play everyday. That generosity makes it so when every 3 months they release minor sets (20 cards for 15€) I actually buy it with real money. Genshin could give you 1 free wish everyday by doing daily quests and they could release the old units that you can purchase with money without rolling the dice for a fair price, between 20-50€ per character. I still think it's expansive when you can buy whole game like V Rising for 20€ but at least it would be affordable to most people.
There's also the fact that spiral abyss rewards are still the same, and getting harder for new players to utilize their character's artifacts
Abyss isn't getting harder recently
@@pontoancora it's had a pretty hard shift from how it was upon release, the rewards were fine before it was the only form of content
@@rocki7426 the abyss want harder, but now is easier. The rewards are the same, and even the content structure are the same. Events, quests, occasionally new areas and abyss.
It's funny, Genshin has become so popular that you would expect people to check out their other games. But with all the greed and dogshit Clownverse has pulled with Genshin in the past year and a half, I'm not gonna bother touching any of their other games, ever.
At this point I’d just be a casual F2P player who logs in once in a while, gets free stuff and logs out
As an advocate for more skins in the game, I feel like just buying welkin and maybe Bp for resources is enough, If you already have a good acc, you will not pull for every banner, you will just pull for caracters you want/like, and with so many reruns its easy to hold primos till you get enough pulls to guarantee that caracter. And with welking you will have the genesis cristals to buy skins for caracters you like hopefully not just standart caracters like how its going on now.
I agree. I believe revenue model of this game should be skins. Obviously good, and not overpriced skins. Good skins will also get people to go for chars, they otherwise would have skipped. Currently Genshin's revenue is completely based on Limited chars and their weapons. But once Skins play a bigger role,I hope the chars and weapon get cheaper.
No. Welkin and bp are worthless. A waste of money.
The skins are exorbitantly expensive especially Diluc skin which is rumored to be 40$ with no discount. That price can get you 2 legend and/or 3 - 4 Epic skin in League an the League skins have a ton of new voicelines, animations and even changing between several effects
@@asianjackass237 I agree it's expensive. But I don't think League is a good comparison, because of difference in the base graphics involved. League also took lot of time to actually develop good skins. I believe Genshin will get there eventually.
@@Zerodymegx The problem IS the overprice, they could release better quality skins with EVEN HIGHER PRICE in the future and their defenders will be like oh its fine cause the skin is upgraded completely ignoring the fact that the original low quality skins were overpriced TO BEGIN WITH. Unless these current low effort skins PERMANENTLY go down in price then its clear that they just condition people to accept overprice subtly by the argument of "quality"
In terms of the gacha structure I'd argue that it's less that Hoyoverse sees it as black & white and more so that this company is simply too greedy to care about they're baseline players. Since they already make millions off the banner revenues as it stands now, why should they feel any incentive to change it to be more fair for the f2p? Their system works resoundingly and that's gives them all the validity they need to keep it relatively the sam . As long you have the few that are willing to break bank for this game, they will NEVER make any real effort to offer support for for f2p players or address any other reservations people may feel towards Genshin.
To be perfectly honest, as a F2P we have the same content as whales and that's amazing. You're able to play the same charachter as them if you want to.
Also most 5 stars are designed to be main dps so you don't really need a team full of 5 stars. One 5 stars is enough. I would even say some teams with only 4 stars are better than 5 stars only teams. So just pick your favorite 5 stars and you're good to go.
Don't forget we didn't even have to play the game and still have access to all the content. If you want to do more wishes, you can also go to the lottery and it probably cost you even more for no return.
@@neodymus no we dont. we have same content as whales doesnt mean shit that's what every f2p games do
@@shutup1037 except most F2P games aren't really F2P games. Just take league or Hearthstone for example, you can't even test different decks or champions and they are competitive games. Genshin doesn't have this problem and you're actually allowed to test charachter before playing it (even though i must agree the test thing is completely biaised but at least you can feel the animation and all)
I must agree though that you must play a lot before unlocking some charachters. But since it's not competitive, you can leisurely enjoy the one you have.
@@neodymus yea and gacha games are the same. Arent really f2p. Dude who cares of clearing content if anyone can do, what we care about is the characters we clear content with. And Mihonkhonk is just stingy af
@Crankz dude the game is really easy. And even if it isn't, the game is already one year old there is plenty of guides out there. And don't get me started on abyss, it's just there to flex or to be challenging, it's not a reason to pull a charachter. Also you can decrease your world level if you struggle.
And if all those requirement aren't met, well that means you probably touch grass and go outside because you're not gaming enough to be good at it, hence you might have some pennies to spare (ok maybe a little stupid argument but still a valid point)
Last thing i didn't mention but is also obvious is that world level won't increase if you don't do the elevation quest, so if you're not ready to take the next step, just don't do the elevation quest.
I know it take a lot of restraint. I know some people are naïve. So i know your point is valid. So yeah maybe the compagny is evil because they make profit out of people weak point. But they wouldn't be able too if people were smart enough in the first place. So it's both fault probably.
I do think genshin is far too expensive, especially when it comes to five stars. 90 wishes take so so soooo long to grind out , and you’re not even guaranteed the banner character even if you hit the hard pity. I’ve spent about 300 dollars on this game and I have three five star characters and they’re all C0 because I don’t re roll on them and hoard my gems for the next character I want. I don’t have any five star weapons because I refuse to spend my primo gems I’m saving for characters on the weapons . It sucks because I feel if they lowered the pity to like 70 and making a guarantee instead of 50/50 would make it a bit more “fair” . I would love to have more characters and I would be more likely to spend on this game if say I spend 75 for the primos I need to hit a hard pity instead of spending 150 for a 50/50 chance.
honestly, they should just remove the 50/50 system. it really hurts because you grind your ass out for that one character you want but you get an off-banner instead. i wouldn't mind the 90 wishes to guarantee a five star if there wasn't a 50/50 to be honest.
or best they could do is fix the artifacts system.. (i'm really unlucky and i only have 2 characters built) :')
Uh, actually i like the grinding period. I like having a long term goal in mind that motivates me to come back everyday, and the uncertain stress over "will i get them, will i not". I have 180 saved for Kazuha, and a Yelan, and a Xiao, and a Itto, and now suddently the game feels very empty as all i can do is wait for the current banner to end or wish for 4 stars that have no pity (so no sense of progression and getting closer to a goal. Either you pull them or you don't).
I was extactic when i pulled Yelan, but now the game just lost all sense of urgency. I still do my commission, but I'm apathic to my primogems count, every number above 180 (and really, every number above 160) feels meaningless. Whereas before i would be constantly counting how much i have, calculating how much i could spend on each banner without fucking up my goal. Some of my most fun "gaming" moment are ranting to a friend about how many wishes would be wise to spend on each banner.
And at least, most of my 4 star are still not C6. Can't imagine how boring the game gets when everyone is C6.
There's still gear grinding, and i don't mind that it takes long. But it's like with 4 stars: no sense of progression. Either you get what you want, or you don't, and there is no "at least im getting closer to my goal".
@@Coeurlarme Exactly, it's the journey to getting the 5 star is what I enjoy. not the actual 5 star part.
i will say, this being my first gacha, i probably never would have picked it up if hoyo was a more predatory company. But I think you hit the nail on the head: they could definitely afford to be less stingy.
Won't happen. They're a Chinese developer. They've clearly shown they don't care about people outside of China. If you don't think Hoyo is predatory...I want what you're smoking.
@@sjue316 wait til you find out western devs and companies like tencent are far more predatory to the point they make Hoyo look like saints lmao
@@justsomeguy727 bro......... tencent is chinese too..........
While i love the pity system (being used to no pity at all), i don’t see the system being improved while the money is flowing. Given the stock model that always pushes growth, not just profits, theres a limit to what they can do. I guess the most they do is be more generous with events and freemogems.
Yeah, too expensive. I think they marked up those price in order to make us buy the welkin. Which is decoy product. So they make the Genesis Crystal so fricking expensive to make us buy welkin moon & battlepass which is kinda look like a best deal and refreshing in the middle of desert. So, they designed it that way to generate a stable income for Mihoyo by making us login everyday and make us feel like bad when we decide to leave genshin
It's both. The Genesis Crystals make Welkin seem like a very good deal. On the other hand, gacha games earn most of their money not from the 99% f2p or small spenders, but from the 1% whales.
When I heard about cosmetic skins coming out for characters I was excited, and I was genuinely thinking of spending money in case a skin I really like comes out
But not only they are so stingy with everything (especiallyfor free to play), but I also think skins are just way too expensive
I don't even have worries for 5*, I get almost every 5* I want, I am very very lucky, so I really don't have problems for it, I just wish I would have enough primogems to not worry about spending 50 on resin refreshes, for example
Idk, I just feel like Genshin is able to sacrifice a bit of money for the enjoyment of players
I agree about the skins. I'm f2p, but I'd be willing to buy a skin if they weren't so overpriced. The 4* ones don't even change animations or gameplay at all and they're over 20$. Like, really??? I'm scared to see what outrageous price the 5* skins will be.
@@bloodtasteslikecookies6640 5* skins will apparently be more expensive, there was a leak about it, I don't want to go into details because it feels spoiler-y, but yeah, more expensive than the current 4* counterparts, unfortunately
Well tbh we get half of the skins for free.
Btw You can get 5 welkins to get a skin (at release for discount or 6 later), then it isn;t that bad 13500 primos, and skin for 25$. This is why I am getting welkin and saving my genesis crystals.
@@KraszuPolis We get half for free IN AN EVENT, they are still 1680 crystals after that, still overpriced, doesn't excuse it in my opinion
Who are skins even made for anyway, besides people that REALLY love certain characters? Shouldn't skins be the way genshin earns money through f2p, at least 4*? Many would be willing to spend 10$ on a skin of their favourite character, even if they are f2p, but not 25$ for each one
Even skins in Wild Rift cost less yet they offer more than what you get for the overpriced skins in Genshin Impact. $20 just for just an outfit change is outrageous, considering that it is mostly just a re-skin of their base skin with little tinkering and no new skill effects nor animations. Talk about being stingy. ರ╭╮ರ
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yes
long answer: yeeeeeees
I don't really mind where I stand as a low spender (buying welkin and once in a blue moon also bp), but purely from a monetary perspective I absolutely agree with you. An increase in rewards would not only contribute to low-spender dopamine rush (and thus to keeping the players "addicted" to the gameplay loop), but also incentivize more dolphins. I had to skip Eula, one of my top 5 characters, twice due to how out of nowhere her rerun was. But back then, if there was ANY chance at all to get her with a rational amount of cash spent, I would've done so. And this is the case for many people. I would also definitely find myself aiming for constellations more. Like this, I am so afraid of another Eula rerun that I am probably skipping everything until she pops up again lmao, which ultimately means less profit off of me personally for mhy.
(Also for the love of god, can they do something about the weapon banner as well?)
Can't wait to here you take on this topic. It's too expensive to get one copy of a 5 star, it's beyond ridiculous
Wish they didn't have the 50-50 bullshit
@@deadshade442 true and what makes it worst for me is the fact that you'll get a standard banner 5 star still regardless of having them make constellation. That's just greed.
As a veteran of all types of Gacha games and someone who likes remaining F2P to see just how balanced the in-game economy is, I always come back to HyperGriff (devs behind Arknights) and Mihoyo. It's almost night and day the F2P experience of both their main moneymakers, I've never seen a game with as many fall-back mechanics as Arknights, and provided you put the time and manage your resources, you can get all the meta units in around 6 months.
Meanwhile I feel like Genshin constantly reminds me of how much wasted potential is in it, I stick around because the core gameplay of exploration is fun, but if you told someone that it's the most profitable gacha in the world chances are they'd be confused. The game is massively profitable DESPITE the corporation consistently burning through player's goodwill.
I hold out hope one day they'll either be humbled and forced to change, or simply get their shit together. The creative side is fine and clearly a lot of passion gets put on it -- but the game itself doesn´t seem to value the playerbase.
[Flashbacks to the Anniversary rewards]
What I learn from Genshin is you can just make stunning and charming graphics, story, and character designs to allow people spending on gacha even if you quit the game shortly after lol...
In term of gameplay, game design, and business model, Genshin has some serious core problems. Some of players will disagree with Vars in this content, because they don't really know how boring the game if you want to min maxing or getting some achievements like getting all playable characters.
Video games are not everything about story and graphics. Some people like to just play Tetris or Pacman which virtually just one screen game but can be competitive by finding AI manipulations or RNG patterns from Tetris's randomness. People will also play Genshin for experimenting all characters so if you can't even unlock all characters by in-game feature or locked by gacha that's a serious game design problem.
I think you get enough primogems to (if you're good at saving) get the characters you want. However if you want most characters and weapons, you'll have to pay, and the price for genesis crystals is way too high imo
That's not true. The rate of getting a new unit for f2ps is very slow. It requires a lot of time spent in game to require your desired character.
After you get 100% on most areas the only source of primos is dailies, events, log in, compensation and codes for f2p... It's extremely slow to get summons..
I'm going through the grind rn for Xiao.
Commisions give 1800 primo per 30 days so if you are very unlucky person it can take you even 6 months only to lose 50/50 and you really think it's enough for anyone?
@@kami761 this!
There are just lucky f2p players. Tho they didn't took a break since day one. One of my cousin is a complete f2p AR59 almost 60. 10 5* characters, with some constellation and all OG 4* character at C6. Including some new additions like Rosaria and Kujou Sara. He also has insane refinements for powerful 4star weapons and for pete's sake has 2 limited weapon and 4 standard weapon, R2 Aquila. I did bought 5 welkins and 2 BP but his account can complete with my arsenal and cgaracters lmao. Just why.
13:25 - this, absolutely. I refuse to spend money on any games which I feel are just completely overpriced while also not giving f2p's much, it is simply not a business practice I wish to support, no matter how amazing a game might be
As someone who's purchased three C6 characters and a few C2's, the short answer is yes it cost too much. This isn't even about how much money one makes. If you compare the cost of this game compared to others you'll find how costly this game is.
I personally dont think its really worth it to spend much on Genshin at least in late game. You can get the new character but you have to farm for the materials and spend months farming for artifacts just to play said character for 15 minutes a day or less.
If I compare the rate of Gacha currency I get from Genshin to other Gacha games I play, I say Genshin has the worse rate therefore is more expensive (imo).
And can I ask how many characters do those game release per 6 weeks?
@@applel2.043 the Gacha games I'm currently playing are PGR and Arknights along with Genshin. Not sure if you already knew them.
@@applel2.043 PGR introduces 1 per patch and each patch lasts for a month or so, some patches have 2 units but those units can be obtained within one 10 pull and have a 100% Guarantee rate. Arknights introduces 1 to 3 units per patch lasting for 2 weeks minimum.
@@Yotsuki10400 is the characters usable without constelation
@@applel2.043 fortunately YES, especially in Arknights
Honestly I whaled for hu tao and I feel really ashamed. I honestly scrambled to justify it with the I don’t have to pay bill or rent yet since I’m only 16.
I don’t actually regret it since I love playing her so much but it’s the numbers that I regret. It’s the embarrassment I get when I think about it.
The stinginess with rewards for exploring scared me a lot and I was in early game. Still am but I knew that games are the most generous with exploration rewards in early game. And early game stinginess just freaked me out. I didn’t know anything about Gacha and I knew I was getting scammed so I will admit I’m at fault but I knew they’d keep adding more and more characters which will make reruns really scarce so it was really nerve racking. And there was only 4 days left.
Right now I’m going to do my very best to not do this again and at most will do welkin. I will say that I got luckier than most with the Gacha and money ratio which is really really gross to think about.
I love hu tao but I wanna also mention the 4 stars I wasted the rest of what was left from her for a 4 star that never came except yesterday on standard by assension quest. Number wise I got really lucky with what I did get but I don’t even use what I got from that banner at all.
Not to mention the weapon banner and lack of 4* pity at all. I’m never going for weapon I literally have only done 1 single pull on any weapon banner ever just out of temptation.
They just ignore what physical merch they can make and profit from. They also ignore the fans and players. This is my favorite game I’ve ever played but it’s just tiring to spend 3 hours on the 4 daily quests for just a few primos that don’t even equal a single wish.
Bruh daily commissions only take 15 minutes 💀 but yeah they definitely are sheisty with there rewards.
Characters are content, and new characters are new forms of playing the other content in the game. So ya it’s expensive it’s like 200 dollars to assure the character you want unless you wait for the rerun 7 months later.
I don’t play any gachas besides Genshin so I have nothing else to compare it to. As someone who has only Welkin, I’ve felt pretty happy so far with the game.
I came in with the mentality that I’d only be able to get 4-5 limited five star characters in my entire time playing the game, and that attitude has probably helped, since I don’t feel like I need to spend more than I am to enjoy the game. I only have three characters on my “really want” list, and I’ve already gotten two of them just from saving up. The one 50/50 I lost, I lost to Jean, the character I love most from the standard banner, which was awesom. I have a bunch of 4-stars I adore and use all the time (Sucrose, Xiangling, Xingqiu, Noelle), so I basically already have everything I want in my team. Just waiting for Zhongli rerun lol. I never pull for weapons or constellations or anything like that, the game never makes me feel like I need them, so I don’t feel bad skipping out on them.
There are loads of cool four stars I don’t have yet either, and new ones releasing all the time, so I’m content to satisfy my fun! gambling! stimulation! needs by just casually making single pulls for 4-stars when I have wishes available.
Tbf I only just started the game a few months ago and am not in the endgame slog yet. I can’t speak to what it feels like once all the content and free primos run out. I’ll probably resent the game way more when I get to that point.
While this video gocused on character banners, I'd personally like to draw attention to the weapon banners and how much you would need to spend to guarantee even a single copy of the weapon you are going for.
You *technically* can finish the game (at the current state at least) without spending a single penny
However, i do notice that the gacha system here is more expensive that other gacha games
But people need to realize that this game is free and it has a lot of content that you can finish while being completely f2p. Its a free game, it gots to have microtransactions that are overpriced at times
Although it is nice if its a bit cheaper (especially the genesis crystal to primos price ratio)
If you want to spend a little bit of money on the game, i reccommend buying the welkin moon pass ($5/month) which is probably the best deal you can get
While it is nice how much f2p content they offer for free, it does not justify that fact that you could probably purchase the entire soulsborne franchise including elden ring for the same price as a c4-c5 character depending on your luck
That is also why i don't play other gacha games, i only played genshin because i liked the story and combat
With games like this, they make the f2p experience grindy and tedious so that paying gives the best time.
People that don't pay only exists so that people who do have something to look down upon and compare themselves to. That's why the terrible coop exists too.
Free players are just punching bags in the grand scheme of things. It never needs to be overpriced, it does what it can get away with.
@@unlimited654 Regardless of F2P or Whales... everyone has to grind for those Artifacts. Plus tbh, there isn't really any incentive to whale (or even pay) in this game other than getting to play a character you really like. There is no leaderboards to flex, no pvp to roflstomp plebs, and no difficult endgame content that can only be beaten by whaling (as the only 'endgame' we have is abyss which can be cleared by F2P way better than some Whales).
@@theweirdsuper4633 Don't forget that also includes the ps3/4. You legit can buy demon's through elden ring with a console on top of it.
I have a perfect strategy. Only go for the tall male characters. There are so few of them that the time they are out you will have acquired more then enough wishes to get then guaranteed.
FOMO has been detrimental in these day and age. Like seriously, every characters that came out has been labeled as "must-pull" or "broken" from most of genshin yt content creators. Yes spending money makes you happy, but you could also spend them on more practical stuff than luxurious stuff.
Content creators are absolutely behind a lot of people spending too much money on this game. They pull their c6s like it's nothing because they get free currency from Mihoyo and set an unreasonable expectation of the character. Anything they spend on additional primos can then be written off as a tax rebate or claimed from Mihoyo.
Only one I know who actively discourages their viewers from copying them is Xlice
It’s sad too because it’s not like people need every broken character in the game. Someone can 100% clear the spiral abyss without following the meta to an absolute T. And getting a perfect 36 stars doesn’t even give very good rewards, you basically get 3 summons and some random artifacts.
You are watching the wrong content creators then if they saying its x character is a must-pull. Just using Sekapoko since the Kazuha banner he said, Kazuha and potentially Raiden are must pulls.
while he prefers Ayato and Yoimiya over Childe and Hu Tao he says if you have one, you dont need to pickup the other.
Same with Ayaka and Ganyu, but getting Shenhe is big for your cryo teams
He even said getting Kokomi might be better because she can be used from the start of the game as a healer, into late game with Freeze or Taser comps
I just don't understand what people are spending their money on in Genshin.
What really is there to buy?
Genshin impact gets unbearably more expensive depending on your region and currency as well. I’m a low spender from Canada, but the prices in CAD versus USD are awful. The 1980 primos here in Canada are 40 dollars versus the 25 or whatever it is in the states.
Here I am wishing that Mihoyo releases a Fighting Game spin off of Genshin Impact?
So many characters with beautiful Normal Attacks but only a few stay on the field for long.
Heck, gacha game Granblue fantasy has full paid Spin off Games like Granblue fantasy Versus.
I dislike the argument that since the game is easy then it lower your temptation to get characters. In genshin you don't pull character to do the content sure, but since there is so little content/end game, the characters are the content ( that and the fact there is no autoplay ).