The Problem With Digital Colored Manga
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I judge my coloring based entirely on what color they make bulma's hair
Oh god, it’s like the 5 stages of grief with her hair
5 stages of brief?@@MessiOlly8
The DB color manga has her hair blue for the first two or three chapters, because that's actually how Toriyama colored it at first. Afterwards, her hair is purple until the end. The colored manga uses Toriyama's color schemes instead of the anime.
The colored Dragon Ball Super manga doesn't do use Toriyama's colors tho. Bulma has blue hair, Piccolo has blue belt, etc.
@@MessiOlly8More like 5 stages of Brief
Toriyama never cared about consisteny in colors. Which means he was never limited.
Looking like GT Vegeta, my boy
💀💀💀
Ah, someone said it
When he shaves it he needs to do a parody of "I shaved my moo-stache!"
muuuuu-staaaaaaaaache!
Loll now that you commented that... I TOTALLY see it!🤣🤣
Toriyama even used the fact that it was a black and white manga for a dramatic reveal. In the Freeza arc when Goku shows up to fight final form Freeza, he has the generic white aura around him that appears when he's fighting. The afterlife gang is confident that he'll win as long as he uses the Kaio-Ken, only for Kaio to say that he's already been using it. The full color version just had to say "screw it" and make the aura red which ruins the intended surprise.
that sucks even the anime hide that, by not showing the red until the reveal.
This is the comment I was looking for; it was actually the first scene that came to mind when I clicked this because of how the colored version ended up ruining the surprise factor of it
@@MS-je7sn what
@@HyperDash47 what u mean what? Didn't you know this???
@@MS-je7sn holy shit I'm going to do this now
I don't mind, but usually I like the full colour adaptations, but some make mistakes like JoJo's full colour has some things in weird colours like in Part 6, the conversation that Dio and Pucci have is meant to take place at night, but the sky is incorrectly coloured a light blue.
My fav example of this is actually in Joj!
What was supposed to be a big reveal of the main villain being right behind the Mc as the big large shocking page turner with dark shadows and jagged hatching in the colored version just became bright saturated colors, normal blue skies and everything.
The colored ver LOOKED fine; but in context and out of it, it feels WAY less intimidating when it was intended to be horrifying when the blackness of the shadow and the texture of the hatching is completely removed.
Jojo is one of those manga that actually CAN be pretty hard to read in BW
And while the colored mangas quality ranges it just fixes one problem and creates another
A LOT of visual fidelity is lost in the colored version
@@theradionicrevival8068 which moment are you refering to?
The worst part about JoJo’s digital color manga is that the animators adapt the coloring errors into the anime. Examples include Giorno’s thick neck, Lang Rangler’s cloth-colored shoulders, and Jolyne’s shoulder cloth injury.
I really dislike jojo’s colored manga, there certainly are instances where the action is hard to read in BW but I feel like it really really detracts from the original artistry. Especially in part 7 where the coloring looked downright disgusting for like 20 chapters
The colored manga also feels really drab compared to how Araki uses color in his works. To him, color is an aesthetic tool and not meant to portray what's in reality. The anime pays homage to this in a really cool way when the color becomes very vibrant and abstract during action scenes.
Yu-Gi-Oh! „suffers“ from this because the digital colored version chose to use the purple version of Black Magician that’s prominently seen in the anime, rather than the colors Takahashi typically used for Black Magician (basically the color that’s commonly seen in the OCG and video games).
Subjectivity aside, the purple one is much cooler than the pale one. God I hate that "original" card.
@@mateussilva635 The original has an overall darker palette.
@@mateussilva635yea I like the purple one more as well but I think it's because it's what I grew up with
@@PrimeroJinJusuke Yeah, I don't mind the red lines. Just the blonde and pale aesthetic.
@@lunarSoul0 Maybe It's just that with me too, but we'll never be able to know for sure haha.
I'm going to have to disagree with that last point because manga being black and white is because of cost more often than it's out of a creative vision
It being a limitation inherently affects the creative vision. To use an extreme example, a Star Wars theatre production cant exactly recreate Luke destroying the Death Star like in the movie so they would have to get creative with cardboard and ropes to make that scene work. The same goes for mangakas and not being able to use colour. The limitations inform the creative process.
@@adoniscreed4031 that's a ridiculous example, in the books GRRM had the Iron throne have proportions that made it impractical for the show so they used a smaller prop. This was a limitation, not some creative choice.
How far does that reasoning go? Does the Room having poor acting and writing count as a creative choice and not vanity? Does Mortal Kombat Annihilation have bad choreography because that's what the director wanted and not because the production was rushed and none of the cast practiced? Is Neil Gaiman uncreative because he didn't want an adaptation of the Sandman in the 90s because the technology wasn't good enough?
Mark I usually read my manga without colour the funny part about dragon balls manga is the colour changes such as Shin and Kibito swap colours and Freeza has darker shades of purple in his first form
Adding color to black and white stories can also ruin gags, one I can immediately think of is in the Comic “Scott Pilgrim” where a unique character was harder to describe because they were drawn in black and white.
Color edition does poke fun at it "It was funnier in black and white!"
This joke makes more sense in black an white lol
IMO it depends on what I'm reading cuz Clarity is a BIG Thing for me. At times u read a Black and white Manga & the art is good, But I may have to reread pages Cuz Idk WTF is goin on durin Battles & it kills the hype so I'd prefer reading them colored. But manga like Toriyama's Dragon Ball, Murata's One Punch Man, Miura's Berserk & Kengan Ashura/Omega I follow easily cuz the panels breathe & give a clear flow of action in black and white. I still enjoy DB's manga in color in addition to the og tho
I thought I was the only one who didn't know what was happening during some manga fights, lol. When I read One Piece, for example, sometimes I can't follow the fights.
i'm reading naruto in color and i think it makes fight scenes and action in general a ton more readable at a glance, i like engaging in the art but i also like flow in my reading
I used to experience this back when I read all of my manga on my phone, switching to a larger display fixed this for me entirely
@@TheGershonI tried switching recently with the jjk manga and it slightly improved my understanding but im still struggling to follow any fights
@@Rude_Boi Absolutely true of One Piece. Some of the smaller panels during fights border on scribbles and you have to figure out what was supposed to be happening based on the context of the surrounding panels. Then you see it colored in and it's clear as day.
On one hand, I get what you mean. On the other hand, have you tried reading JoJo part 8 in black and white? There were some fights where I couldn't even tell what was happening.
This but with SBR is why I chose the colored scans
That's not because black and white is bad, that's because the pages are drown bad
@@alessiospurio I never said black and white was bad. Just that there are times when it’s quite beneficial to have color
@@RadikAlice sbr looks perfect in bw too jojolion i get it
The added detail was still good
Ya
not really the point
Mark wasn’t saying it’s objectively bad or anything just kinda average
This goes for most colored manga but the point is how it adds visual fidelity where there wasn’t before making the image less striking and less important as a result due to the lack of contrast.
And generally how when it comes to consuming manga, it doesn’t hurt to try to see the series in the way the creator intended for a better/stronger experience, IF you can help it. It’s like settling for “ok” when you can easily have good.
See it like stretching and cutting footage of older media like the Simpsons or dragonball to fit widescreen. Or interpolating 60fps on old Tom and jerry cartoons to appear modern.
Imagine a “well lit” rerelease of horror movies like Friday the 13th passed around as the definitive version and not as a meme 💀
@@fig6459
What was the point? That Toriyama didn't draw it? You know he had assistants for details and backgrounds, right?
This is pretty standard for colorists. Look at the sketches of Dark Knight Returns and then compare to when the colorist adds all the extra shit@@theradionicrevival8068
There is one things that needs to be mentioned.
Most official manga coloring projects try to emulate the coloring style of the mangaka at the time. This is especially true in series like One Piece. So, while it might not technicannly be what the author did, it's still in the same vain as the author's work and is fairly representative of a hypothetical colored version made by the actual mangaka.
I gotta disagree here, maybe that's a you problem, but I don't have issue with adding details to make the color standout. The only thing you said that makes it worse is that it's not colored in by Toriyama, but mangaka have people make backgrounds and ink in the black parts all the time. Them having to add some slight detail so that the picture doesn't look flat is not a big deal. It's still toriyama's artstyle regardless.
I've seen mangaka livestreaming and they say the way they draw for colored page (cover, special page or promotional elements) is different from when they made the black and white, especially the line and inking.
I mean, it's not like having piccolos pants just be a large black splot looks particularly good either.
I disagree. I think you should read the manga in its original format first, but there's nothing wrong with prefering the full color version. I think the dragonball full color artists did remarkably well.
Different doesnt mean bad though, that thought needs to go away when it comes to any sort of adaptation
Exactly, different is only bad when said different thing on its own is actually.
Factsss
Adaptations exist to solve problems moving through different mediums. This isn't that.
He didn't say it's bad. He said it should first be experienced in it's original form which I 100% agree with.
@@PatLund He quite literally said that "it's objectively worse than the original black and white manga" though
Agree about DBZ color, but man, the occasional chapters where Toriyama would get inspired to do the subtle coloring were always a highlight, and I’m sad we never got a set that just had that consistently.
Devil's advocate: I think this is a bit of a snobbish stance on colored manga. A lot of care and detail obviously went into the clothing that had to be redrawn and carefully designed to never betray the art style of the original. Case in point, most people never even noticed until Mark pointed it out.
You can argue, yes, Toriyama didn't draw that superfluous detail, but Toriyama also had assistants who helped draw detail and backgrounds in the original manga, so it's not the most valid argument.
Mark’s point was less that colored manga are bad and people who read it should feel bad
Just that you should try to give the og be a chance due to getting as close the creators intent as possible and being filled in on certain nuances a colored version misses
Color can unironically be a massive tone setter
Some stories just use BW as a crutch and has 0 usage in the story and some stories deliberately take advantage of that. So just slapping colors on them CAN change the vibe of the experience
Who mark isn’t hating on the mfs who gave a try or have vision problems or dabble in both and regularly do so etc
It’s the people that haven’t tried and refuse to with 0 explanation or reasons
@@theradionicrevival8068The problem with this is Mark goes out of his way to declare the colored version objectively worse, making anything said after come off a lot less open to interpretation, like it goes from "I prefer the original look" to "it's fine if you read colored manga , just know it's objectively worse and the OG is always better and everyone should read it that way" that statement at the end is what really rubs me the wrong way and comes off as just a little gatekeepy and unironically *does* make it sound like colored manga is bad for the most part and you shouldn't read it.
@@flaminginferno6641 This Mark guy does it all the time lol
That's not being devil's advocate, you just disagree with his claims.
Black and White is actually a form of color in its own way. When you colorize a manga you haven't really added color to it, you just changed the original color.
I disagree.
I will always choose to read the colored version over the black and white version, whenever available, which isn't very often. You see, when I read manga in black and white, I almost never take in the art work, because it usually takes a few moments to process what exactly I'm looking at. With it being colored, I have a much easier time at recognizing things immediately, because everything is color coded. So no, I would not consider colored manga to be an "objective downgrade." It's purely subjective if you prefer the original or colored version.
That sounds like a skill issue lol
@slimysalesman4443 Not when you're reading one piece
@@WhackywohopizzamanBRO I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM READING OP MANGA LOL
@@Whackywohopizzaman You can't even read one piece nowadays if it's not coloured 😭
@@slimysalesman4443 I take it you watch TV in black and white with mono audio because that's how it was done back in the day right?
My eyes are bad it's kind of hard for me to read things in black and white the colors just make it easier for me to understand the image
I have no vision problems, but I relate. That's exactly why I chose the colored scans of JoJo, despite their hit and miss quality
I get you. There has been a couple of times I had to really focus just to understand what's going on.
You’ve not experienced Toriyama until you’ve read him in the original Klingon
This seems needlessly pretentious imo. Saying it’s an objective downgrade seems like a wild statement. Normally I’d say your takes are pretty good but this one is pretty bad.
I don’t even think the example you gave with piccolo’s pants was a good one. Clearly Toriyama wanted his pants to have more detail and it’s more of a limitation of the medium of a manga.
But mangaka don’t use just black and white because “that’s what they see fit” it’s a restriction put on them by their publishers that is completely outside of their control. And personally I’m struggling to see how some folds on piccolos pants somehow makes it “objectively inferior” or how the person coloring them not being Toryiama matters, it’s not like any designs are being radically altered.
Same here, it seems like nitpicking and not the good kind. I was always impressed by how consistent stuff like piccolo's pants were in the full color version. Even the pictures he used didn't look bad. It seems like being purist for the sake of being purist, and I like the original manga more!
At the end of the day, you're free to read however you see fit. The main issue is a simple matter of "that's not what the original mangaka intended the art to look like", drawing while knowing that you can only use black and white leads to many different decisions being made while illustrating and you often have to fill out information that would be conveyed thru color in different ways. Adding color to an already finished black and white illustration thus messes with the balance, throwing off composition, overloading information in areas, or ruin the flow.
@@3DMegaGamer I'm not saying it doesnt do those things, I just mean for dragon ball it's not that bad. I've never experienced that with the full color version (from what I've seen). Outside of the kaioken fakeout moment it doesnt really hinder the story. My reasons for liking the original manga instead lies with how it's easier to appreciate the handrawn art
@@thegreatsage2851
If you agree that inventing details inherently causes the issues that 3DMegaGamer listed, then you agree with the premise of the video. Pretty bad faith to then complain about said video on the basis of the outlined problems being “not that bad” or “not enough to hinder the story” when TNM never argued either of those points.
Manga is not b&w because of "publisher restrictions". It's a tradition of the medium and inherent to the style. Full-color is not the 'final form' of manga the same way that an anime adaptation isn't either.
I think it really varies.
For example, I do think the colored version of Naruto is just a downgrade from the original version, as the coloring didn't truly capture the feel of some scenes and outright butchered some specific scenic shots that are jaw dropping panels in the original. However, works like Jojolion I felt compelled to reread in color because the action in the later half of the story can get so messy it's actually difficult to follow what's going on sometimes.
honestly, i just CANT. i have pretty bad ADHD, and with most manga panelling its kind of hard to find which panel to read next, but the black and whites just make everything indistuinguishable to me most of the time. sometimes ill just be reading the bubbles without even looking at the pages cause i cant make sense of it anyway
I’m reading dragon ball in color and in Japanese. It has been incredibly satisfying so far and I don’t agree with your point at all to be honest. I read manga in the original state, but when I reread a series, the color version is always great. I read chainsaw man part 1 in color and the art popped way more than if I read the black and white because they used dynamic colors which made things even more visually interesting.
Ngl I couldn’t even see the problem with the Piccolo Jr. pants there. It added lines to where the pants might be folding up at, but otherwise I couldn’t see anything else wrong with it. Am I stupid?
Mark, imma be real, usually I agree with the idea that you should always see the original artists vision, but this feels very nitpicky. I think this should be something left to pure preference.
Did he indicate it wasn’t preference? He’s giving his, along with the reasons why.
@@AlexanderDiviFiliushe literally said it was objectively worse
@@dignelberrt With a lot of clarifications. Besides, you are allowed to like something that’s objectively worse, and he’s not saying you have to do anything. People need to stop taking an internet personality’s opinions on the best way to read a manga so close to heart lmao
@@AlexanderDiviFilius i really don't care myself, i was just saying he was explicitly clear it wasn't just an opinion. People who have to agree with an internet personality 100% or take whatever they say as gospel are just idiots
@@dignelberrt Something being objective or not doesn’t impact preference unless you let it.
Thank you, I thought I was crazy and the only one thinking this
"as the artist intended" whether it be for music manga anime TV shows, it doesn't really matter because in the end the only thing that matters is my enjoyment. So whatever gives you the most enjoyment should be the medium you use. There may be a case where that medium is in fact the same as what the artist intended.
Not a very good point you are making. You cannot tell whether you'll enjoy something more as the creator intended or not without actually experiencing it first.
@@odd-eyes6363You can if you know your taste, if you find more entertaining and easier to follow the color version then you know you'll enjoy it more.
What an anti-art statement
He never said you can’t enjoy it, just pushing people to try to form further connections with media you consume beyond the surface.
God forbid a guy dare merely suggest improving the experience a little.
Both are valid.
Something doesn’t lack value suddenly because you don’t care.
@theradionicrevival8068 Reading it in black and white doesn't make it any more deep than in colors. There isn't any depth to be had in that sense, only a visual preference.
@@r3L4k5That's not true. There's plenty of artistic decisions made with black and white in mind. And colouring over them takes away a lot from the original art. ESPECIALLY if the people colouring them don't understand the original intention of the art when being made originally.
It's not as simple as a colour swap. If you watch black and white movies you can see how they present themselves differently to take advantage of the black and white contrast. The Lighthouse for example wouldn't work as well if it was coloured
the digital coloring on that page with frieza is so ugly...the gradients make it look like one of those shitty illustrations you'd see in a 2000s school textbook
Looks pretty good you're tweaking
I like it.
I'd bet you wouldn't even notice it if it wasn't compared to the original.
@@r3L4k5 always love the hilarious counterpoint of "bet you wouldnt notice it was bad if you didnt see the good version!" lol
@@r3L4k5 nah i get why u would think that fr but honestly stuff like this has always bothered me lol. especially with early digital stuff circa late 90s to 2000s which was full of gradients, overuse of the airbrush tool, and weirdly unappealing colors. on this page specifically i was being kinda overdramatic but i rly don’t like the sky and the water here, and the colors are an overall downgrade, being over brightened imo and a bit desaturated.
For me sometimes It’s hard to tell what’s goin on in black and white because everything is the same color. I enjoy colored versions more because I can differentiate things better.
I think saying that it's a downgrade is a big overstatement. It literally has different details, and as far as I'm concerned a downgrade is something worse, not slightly different.
TBH it feels more like this short is content farming, not a high quality videos I'm used to on this channel
No way you're telling me you prefer the post-Dressrosa scribbles in One Piece compared to the incredibly detailed colored version
One Piece is definitely one of the better colored manga. I could make a case for Dragon Ball not being “objectively” better one way or the other since Toriyama’s art is so clean as is, but One Piece almost feels like it was made to be in color.
True but in the opposite side of the spectrum color mangas help some panels that without color you get lost in all thats going on, one piece suffer of this at times. Just look at katakuris fight, while amazing and engaging you easily can get lost and miss inportan details
I love how in jojo koichi has like 3 different color palettes depending on whether it's anime, live action or colored manga. And they all came out within a few years of each other.
It's so frustrating that the people who did the good translations for Jojo chose to do them for the colored versions. Finding a version of SBR that isn't ass is impossible and will probably remain that way until VIZ officially releases it and even then i'm gonna have to suffer the terrible name localizations they use
I agree. I always thought manga looked beautiful in black and white. The screening tones in some manga are incredibly beautiful and atmospheric as well. It’s not really something you see often in western comics.
Thank you Mark
i totally agree... one of the things i like most of manga is that black & white look... i remember when anime stop doing it for me... it was the fight between pain and naruto... in the manga was so dramatic, but in the anime the super bright colors take me out of it so much
Hard disagree about it being objectively worse. If it was meant to be black, then why didnt it stay that way in the anime? Printing in color means there are more options and as such there is more detail. Not sure how you can see that as "objectively worse". like do you think Toriyama wouldnt have wanted to print it in color if he had the chance to do that? Also, why stop at just reading in black and white? It was originally printed in Japanese, so just read it in Japanese like it was intended. ORRRR stop gatekeeping and just let people read the version they want to so that they can enjoy it
I know you said that ironically, but you cannot deny that it would be more beneficial to read a work in it's original language if you have the ability to do so. As many things get lost in translation and jokes don't land as well as they would originally.
So yeah, the ideal experience would actually be to read the manga in Japanese and black and white, nothing wrong with that 😅
@@odd-eyes6363 I mean even if you learn japanese, there are cultural things that will not make sense. So its not just read in Japanese, its "Dont bother reading unless you are japanese" That is the "ideal" way to experience manga. So I am saying, ignore that line of logic because its absurd, and just enjoy the story however you can. Whether its in your native language, or in a color format, or digitally, or even if its an audio book describing what is happening. No need to gatekeep the amazing stories that can be told.
@@odd-eyes6363 Or even light novels, if there is a manga adaptation of a light novel and that gets you to enjoy that story, then read it. We need to stop trying to tell people "oh your experience was worse because you didnt do it this one way", like stop with the "objectively worse" garbage and say something like "hey if you liked the color version, I would recommend the original black and white because ". Turn the statement into the subjective interpretation that it truly is
That's not true but ok
@@supremekinggaiseric7779 Even if you are Japanese you need to have grown up in the same environment as the writer or you won't get the references they make so don't bother reading unless you from the same place as the writer.
Largest offender is Bleach due to how much the monochrome shading is part of the identity of the series. Kubo is really good at using black and colouring it takes a lot away.
Sounds awful gatekeepy and elitist. I mean seeing some folds on some pants is not really the end of the world and I would bet most people wouldn't even notice it until you specifically sat them down and said "what are the differences between these two panels".
Its always important to understand HOW the author intends a scene to be, before even considering coloring the pages, and if you have to add detail, don’t half-bake the details is all.
I like the JoJo ones
Also for the fact that the colors aren’t canon so there can be so many color schemes (which there are), so there are errors like how Jotaro Kujos eyes are colored blue yet it says they are green
Which is done correctly in the anime
Though same thing as I said
The colors aren’t canon so it doesn’t really matter
Only what’s physically stated in the manga like hair color or eye color is canon for the character
digital colouring (mostly) exists to make the manga easier to read on a small screen, like a mobile device. they're not trying to be a replacement over the original.
I totally agree and would also add something. Imo black/white is also setting a different tone than color. It makes things more clean or sinister/gritty (depending on the art usage).
And shadows, details and such things are much more impactful to me, since the contrast hits harder.
That's one reason why i always preferred manga to western comics.
I just find the one with the best Super Saiyan hair shading
For me full color manga helps my eyes Track the panels while I try to quickly read through something
I read color because it's easier to focus. Black and white does things to my ADHD
Not me
Have u seen the colored manga for jojo? That has to be the worst digital colored panels I've ever seen for a manga
I've been reading the digital colored version of part 4, and I really have no complaints. The B&W version just looks so visually busy. I can't even tell what's happening in some pages without trying really hard. The colored version isn't perfect, but all chapters have had great amounts of detailed color, the pages are high quality, and the translation & fonts are pretty good. I do prefer reading Dragon Ball in its original form, but that manga is a lot easier to tell what's going on.
I was fine with the jojo color scans for the most part up until part 8, the lower resolution and detail smudging were just too much, I’m also not fond of some of the color choices
Made me realize how much I was missing our by not reading the previous parts in black and white
what are you talking about lmao. i prefer B&W too but the colored version of jojo is undeniably the best colored manga out there. obv its not perfect but they actually put effort into detail unlike most colored manga which just look horribly plain. if you wanna see something actually bad look at attack on titan where they turned black characters white and gave colossal titans hair 💀
@@zukushi9196The JoJo coloured manga does some things well, but it makes a lot of mistakes (that are still uncorrected), and has issues with smudging the artwork and other harmful edits pre-colouring it.
Read what you want to read though
Colored JoJo isn't great, but the art in JoJolion can get so fucking messy sometimes that the colored scans are a necessary evil.
JoJo's (especially Parts 8 and 9) has the opposite problem where a lot of the details are just painted over or hard to see. This is mostly seen with characters like Usagi, where he looks like a green blob compared to the original black and white.
My best friend would have words for you Mark 🤣. I've had many conversations with him about anime and manga, and he's made it very clear that he doesn't like monochrome, which is one of the many reasons why he doesn't read manga (except I think he's going to read black clover cause he's given up hope on the anime ever continuing). Kind of a shame imo, but it's his taste so whatever.
He's also a staunchly only dub watcher cause he's convinced it's impossible to get the same feelings watching shows in the original Japanese with subtitles because we don't understand the language. I love him, but he's a bit closed minded haha.
I fully agree with your stance on the artistic value of the original manga artwork, nothing to complain about that, but I see this whole thing to be a non-issue. As long as the original manga is still selling and there is no color version substituting the original (like pulling the original off the shelves because the colored version came out) then I don't think it matters what version people prefer.
Thank you!
It could be tough because it takes away from the actual original art. Also keep in mind with a lot of the artists having a weekly deadline some things and materials have to be rushed. Now it is a nice alternative if you want it full color but I definitely wouldn't say it's the norm.
the colored version of Jojo is really good
Black and white is better tho
jojos in black and white is an infinitely better experience and ill die on that hill. its actually hard to find it colorless online
Yes I also enjoy a manga more when I literally can't understand what the hell is happening, hell, some fights are hard to understand with colours.
GT Mark is so goated
Also you can’t make Toriko worse because Toriko is already unsalvageable because of the mangaka being a pdf file
Yeah this is cool and all to see the differences, but you this comes off as “if enjoy colored manga, im looking down on you.” Truth be told I love both.
I feel that rather then going the full color route for a manga not designed with color in mind you should do the limited color route so that everyone’s happy
Also colored mangas like in Chainsawman cause lose in detail and intimidation
Respectfully, I think you’re nitpicking
I agree but it's sometimes it's harder to find the original black and white with a good translation
I can understand wanting to read as the author intended, but it can also depend on the manga itself. For instance, if there are any color pages in a manga’s chapter when it’s published in its respective anthology(Shonen Jump, Shonen Sunday, Shonen Gangan, etc) or its respective apps nowadays, the physical volume releases are likely gonna be released in grayscale when first published, which will muddy the readability just as much, if not more so depending on the amount of colour used for those chapters. It is on a case-by-case basis, however, and some manga are getting new releases with the color pages restored. Personally, I like seeing the color choices made to try and match the original color choices of the author, but I can understand the benefits of reading the material as originally presented.
I didn't see colored DB manga, or colored manga in general until very late 2023 while making a Goku edit and I was so shocked to see MANGA Goku in color. Ik I shouldn't have been since I have seen him in color before, ahem the anime, but the difference here is..well.......It's the manga. I have rarely seen colored manga before, so when I started seeing more of it from that point to now, like colored panels of MHA, while I appreciated the awesome coloring, it felt alien to me and I can't even look at colored panels right now. Illustrations are different since they were colored when publicly shown(not all just most), but manga, which was colorless on first release (besides the Black and Grey shading), is a whole different experience.
I have some visual processing issues, so digital colors are often way more accessible for me to read than og black and white mangas. Especially in series with convoluted fights like Jojo's.
Agreed. Not everything needs to be in color
I have both versions for dragonball, the kanzenban and full color, due to my personal preference for some of the panels over the original or vice versa. Both have pros and cons so hard to recommend one over the other
If I hear again that the JoJo Shueisha colored scans are superior I am gonna black out. Look at what they did to basically all the stands in Part 8.
Instead of giving them a unique vibrant color pallete like Araki normal does they opted to give most of them a one color airbrushed look with glowing aura effects basically ruining the look of so many stands
Also espacially starting with Part 7, the color smudges over the detailed renderings of some scenes making them literally lose detail. Also Oyecomova, his makeup makes no sense now. It's supposed to be american flag!!!
Also no the manga was NOT fan colored. It was done by Shueisha, Part 8 received some fancolouring due to demand and some people just making it themselves, but no the manga was coloured by Shueisha for digital release. Which is often the case for these coloring as color works a lot better on smaller devices like phones
this feels like a case of dubbed vs subbed to me. for those who want the most raw and originally intended experience, yeah full black and white makes sense. but for someone who just likes to read these stories casually its perfectly fine to choose any version that looks best for you
Another thing I noticed about the Digital Color versions of Dragon Ball is they use different page dimensions--likely 9:16, to fit on modern monitors, which is a little taller/narrower than the paper used by all the other releases. This is mainly a concern when artists draw "in the margins": Digital Color will chop off panels that stretched all the way to the left or right edge, while it may reveal more of panels that go toward the top or bottom than was intended to be seen. And so we'll be left forever wondering how they might have colored details that only appeared in the left or right margins of other editions!
I agree. There is actually quite a bit of discussion about this in American Comic Book circles because bad/mediocre color-work can just obliterate the artistry of good line work (John Romita Jr.'s modern comics are a good example of strong line-work getting dragged down by bad coloring). I just generally prefer black and white, it's so much more crisp and clear.
I always liked color manga I think they call it Animanga colloquially, but I never thought about that as it transitions into color they needed to add details that didn't exist. Nice take.
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This is the opinion old people had when they made color tv 😂 what do we need all this color for what happened to shades of brown
I want to continue further in reading shadows house but there are only full-colour translations for the rest of the chapters and I like the black and white look of shadows house more
For manga like One Piece I like it when it gets colored sometimes because some action panels can become a confusing mess for the reader. Obviously that's not the case for all manga like DBZ where Toriyamas ability to create action scenes is visible to the viewer by creating a lot of black and white contrast, but I do notice it a lot in manga of recent years.
Never thought too hard about this but agreed. Always preferred the splash pages and original black and white to the full recolor pages
Mark... homie... love your content but you gotta go full beard. It might itch at first but its totally worth it
Full colour parasyte is better than the original
In Jojo they made Jonathan's hair brown in colored scans but the official anime color is blue
One piece sort of requires this at times especially with the namification that oda has done to his women and also certain fights are a lot easier to understand especially after haki is introduced
I read the original B&W years ago, now I read the color version. I don't see the problem.
I probably can't speak from a "pure" standpoint because I first read the entire DB manga in B&w, but now for a re-read, it would be color, 100%. Partly because I just like the added beauty and visual differentiation, but it's also like it's one step closer to an anime (& I've lost my tolerance for watching anime (time/speed wise). I just prefer being able to zip through it, reading the manga instead).
I like both. I’ve been reading Naruto in full color and it helps differentiate what can sometimes be hard to truly and definitively see what is going on when it is simply in greyscale. However I still agree, there are things that the original format simply does better!
Wth mark has a mustache now? 😂 he’s on his GT arc
I enjoy being able tell what im supposed to be looking at without them having to go in a roundabout way of saying what color something is... I honestly believe a lot of attack names suffer from this
The only coloured manga I read is jojos which is done completely by the fans and is not a downgrade at all
I choose to interpret this as advocacy for the original super saiyan color scheme and I agree.
eh, it's individual preference at the end of the day. if reading in colour is preferred by them, then they should, since it will hopefully enhance their reading experience and thus their overall enjoyment of what they are reading. for me, the differences are so minor that i really couldn't give a damn about whether it is the digitally coloured version or original
"Don't enjoy it how you like it, enjoy it the way it was originally created 50 years ago because other people think that's the correct way"
Damn you're sounding more Japanese every day.
Yeah, this is how I've always felt about it, too
Absolutely agree
Still don’t understand what the problem is
Oooo happy to see Sakamoto Days around more and more now
One problem I had with colored manga for Super is how "shiny" and "glossy" it looks
The full color DBZ sets are peak imo, never seen anybody slander them
"It's not bad. You just shouldn't read it ever"