Watching this reminds of being a child and watching over my dad's shoulder; he repaired electronics for GE. He passed about 15 years ago, and had retired before computers got big. He repaired TV's, stereos, and VCR's. But his methods were very similar to yours... checking for correct readings from the multimeter, flux, solder, etc. No internet... had to order paper spec sheets. Interestingly he also predated affordable infrared cameras, so he had to use a different method: If it worked after getting blasted with Freon, that was the bad chip. But he, too, could repair the things other people couldn't. So plenty of people gave him their broken stuff, and our house had a TV and VCR in every room but the bathrooms, and a garage that looked like a TV/electronics parts store. Thanks for your work and channel. Dad would surely have been impressed with your skill.
This. You can even move your PC around since its connected by riser. I picked up a Core P3 Pro(default vertical mount GPU) after my 4090 and couldn't have been happier.
the best and also very cost effective method is to stay the F*** away from NVIDA ...btww 1 and 2 K for this craps ?? seriously? wow - how blind can one be?
Or more practically, motherboards should come with holes below the PCI to attach a support. Flying buttress' were used to prevent a straight vertical wall from bulging outwards due to the weight of the roof, which itself kept the walls from collapsing inwards. Corbel is the term for Gothic cathedral support brackets, it is the sort of thing you put a stone gargoyle atop. Feels oddly appropriate for Nvidia to be a modern gargoyle.
@@huntershonour2433 I wanted to be a happy AMD customer but after my first ever GPU RMA had to be done with the 7900 XTX, the bullshit with their DXNavi shader stutters, the bullshit with random older games having performance bugs they neglect to fix, the bullshit with idle power being over 100w, and the bullshit with them running DLL injection behind users and developers backs and getting their users banned from online games I honestly have a very sour taste left in my mouth from AMD. I should've spent the $200 extra and got a card that wasn't an actual piece of dog shit, but I won't ever be making that mistake again.
I layed my case horizontally on the floor to avoid any sagging issues with the 4090. That thing weighs seven pounds. If you've ever held it in your hands, that thing is a beast.
Exactly. I laid my case horizontally on a little table with my 4080, no issues and I suspect I will never have issues. I think the bend in the card is too pronounced otherwise, even with with a bracket, you still get different pressures on the card over time and the risk of cracking is too high. These cards are way too heavy.
The 4090s are such poorly built cards but nobody wants to listen. The burning power connectors are a problem but people watch one internet video and think it's not a problem. Now we got this problem. The weight of the honking sized cooler causing the board to flex and connections to come lose. You got to be a fool to give that much money to Nvidia.
A lot of the support brackets that come with that card are too flimsy in most cases. The structure doesn't have enough stiffness so that it can support the weight of the card. So the options are to either vertical mount or use custom support pillars so that the card sits on something more solid.
I actually picked up a support pillar from Amazon for $10 that’s been great for my 3070. Magnet on the bottom sticks to the bottom of the case/PSU shroud, then threaded head extends up until it makes contact with the card, and threaded washer secures it
I have a LANCOOL III case which has some motherboard standoffs and a metal support bracket that is directly screwed into the case. I really hope that's enough to carry a 3090. In fact, I had the 3090 for 2 years before I started using a bracket, and I can see that it's sort of bent the PCB already. Sigh. NVIDIA should include brackets in every model.
Pro's RTX 4090 - fastest graphics card presently available Cons Everything else, melting power connectors, warping PCB, snapping PCB on graphics card, damage to PCI-E slot and motherboard, huge money sink and most importantly major emotional damage.
Even non heavy cards are warping. My 4070ti ProArt is showing signs of the board warping after a few months, and it's not even a heavy card, and it has a solid metal body, and it's pretty light, way lighter than the 1080ti it was replacing, yet where it was once flushly sandwiched together, I've noticed the PCB has lowered in some areas. I'd say the only thing keeping the GPU from desoldering over time is the heatsink pressure. It's not just the physical heatsink designs, I think they cut a lot of corners in components like the PCB's they use or introduced new processes or materials that clearly have issues.
Cutting corners, who ever would do such a thing... hardware these days are not built to last, they are only to last as long as their warranty forcing people to upgrade.@@peoplez129
He just did not have enough upwards pressure on the support bracket. 40 series will definitely age like bad milk due to the connectors being a risk and heavy cracked GPUs. Sad to see this is where this gen headed to and people still consume…
Only different mounting will save your GPU. I recognized this trend back in the GTX 1080 days and have only built horizontal motherboard systems since.
Seriously, we need more actual "desktop" style systems. I get why vertical stuff became the go-to but letting everything NOT hang off of the motherboard would be nice
I love how folks would spend a fortune for this, install the brick without the cheapest diy solution to prevent bending, and then spend another fortune for repair. God, send some brain.
Vertical mount ftw. Wasn't taking a risk with my Gigabyte 4090, only to see a few months later the cracking PCB issue! Glad I went v-mount. My temps are +/- 1 degree from from horizontal mounting. It's solid too, can move my PC case with GPU in and it's firmly in place
@TRC_WAa support mount should suffice. I went vertical mount for safety since it's basically impossible to damage my GPU or pcie slot on mobo since my case is basically an open air test bench
Absolutely love your videos. Until I saw them I didn't think anything like this was possible. I wanted to also thank you for your post in regards fake 4090s in the US market. Nothing worse than a thief. So glad you have the skill set and the willingness to expose bad actors and help good people. Thanks so much again.
Nice to see a technician using Battlefield to test a card. I think it is a heavy enough game and VERY well optimized, which makes for a better parameter than other unstable games. You can also set the resolution scaling to 200% to force even more your GPU
Same way i feel about Metro Exodus enhanced edition. The only game that can make my 4090 hit over 525 watts, even with DLSS set to Quality at 4k. (Also has options for Shader Scale to further increase load.) A great game to stress any gpu, especially nvidia gpu with rtx.
I was thinking otherwise because he had the frame limit capped at 60 fps. He doesn't have it displayed but I'm guessing the card was only running at 30% usage in that test. Maybe he has a reason for the cap though, I'm not an expert
@@adrianjones8073 powerlimit on msi liquid suprim 110 percent. Overlock +150 on core Overclock +650 on mem. Most scenes, (not the Taiga as Taiga is mostly a CPU limited area,) The Volga and Caspian Sea Open Areas, it temps will hit about 69-72C and wattage can/will spike tp 500-525 ish. Frame cap, unlocked.
Even my 4070 tries to sag. I've got an MSI Gaming X Trio which comes with a pretty beefy support bracket, and it still takes a bit of kajiggering to get it to sit just right without sagging. I've started building my own support brackets which can make a GPU mounting rock solid. And I put a support post right at the very end of the card where there is the most weight to sag. I can only imagine how heavy these 90 class cards are.
i've been using a gainward phantom 4090 for a few months now and only use a small cylindrical mount at the end of my card and so far no sag. thanks to its anti sag metal plate. the pcb is screwed directly into the metal plate which spans the top of the card making it an effective antibend + cooling mechanism, never exceeded 65°c so far, even when gaming for 15+ hours straight. for gainwards standards it is a step in the right direction. 10/10, would recommend. some gpu manufacturers should take hints, this should be a standard on all 4090s!
@@-T--T- yes i agree that it's overlooked. however it isn't a standard on all cards and some of them do cheap out on using plastics causing the PCB to bend. i don't believe he's intentionally kicking up drama, because every circumstance is different when it comes to them breaking. even cards with metal plates being supported can still be susceptible to bending at their PCIe slots if not done correctly. I was experiencing this originally with my 4090, went cheap with a support bracket and nearly paid the price. These are extremely heavy, in terms of GPUs.
XFX does the same thing on their 'Merc' cards, I know they only make AMD but when I installed a 6800xt for my buddy I was surprised how little it sagged. Even smaller cards than the 4090 are pretty large nowadays.
I have phantom 4080 and I am using two support pillars. The one card came with is attached to the end of card and other one I have placed at the middle of the gpu just in case. (Gainward phantom line-up is great by the way, cooling performance is phenomenal)
@@Born_Stellar XFX makes great cards in my opinion, plus they have one of the best warranties in the biz, or at least I know they used to. I always used to to buy XFX cards, back when I used AMD cards. I've been on Nvidia since the 20 series. It's too bad Nvidia's greed caused EVGA to exit the GPU market, they were probably one of the premiere brands for GPUs. If XFX made Nvidia cards, they would probably be very good.
@@Born_Stellar Interesting because my XFX 6900 MERC is currently being assessed and in the workshop with issues in the video (perfect on all stress and benchmarks but random crashing blackscreen during games - hard reset required). I used a support bracket on right side and the double case screws left side. It still allows micro-flex in the middle of the card - which is where the VRAM modules and Die are. I will not horizontal mount a GPU ever again!!! Riser cable purchased, lets hope mine can be salvaged.
Support brackets are bullshit as they bend WITH the GPU over time. I observed it on my MSI RTX4090 which has one supplied. Better use a support stud that can be adjusted.
Sounds like the "owner" is nonchalantly forgetting some details. Card sitting still in the case with a bracket has no way of generating enough stress to cause any damage, unless the case was moved. Older cards even though a smaller than this could sit for years while sagging without a bracket and still not have damage. This is most probably mishandling like almost every other case with these cards.
The issue here is likely the use of "gpu anti-sag brackets". IMO those brackets barely do anything at all, especially since you just mount them on the same chassis slots under the GPU and then expect that thin bar to support all that weight up until the very end of it. What people need to use are GPU support stands. Those pillar-shaped stands that actually support the GPU from underneath, straight down as if it were a leg. There's a reason why some 4090 models come with included stands. Cost-cutting with brackets isn't going to do any help since those sag down too.
@@jimmydesouza4375 You need to get a good stand if vibrations are the issue. Get something made of metal with secure feet and mounting, as well as rubber dampers. Deepcool has a hybrid bracket+stand that you both mount and stand using a metal pole, and it comes with a rubber damper head and feet as the contact and the stand. It can also be adjusted vertically and horizontally on the x, y, z axis. I have this very model and it's so secure that I can even set it so it pushes my GPU bending up if I was crazy enough to do so. People need to think a bit better about the specifics when it comes to such support structures.
@@kamikaze00007 I actually used two, one was coolermaster and the other was the one that came with the GPU (MSI). Happened to both. It is something that is unavoidable. Vibrations, even slight ones, always work things loose.
If even support brackets are not enough,. the future for top-end GPUs is indeed bleak. I wonder what "threshold" for GPU weight-length is considered "too heavy to physically break solder joints". By the way, why don't GPUs just use pins? Wouldn't it eliminate that issue COMPLETELY, save for VRAM still breaking?
I mean instead of innovating were now just increasing size and power draw.... Doesnt sound like innovation. At this point make a gpu the size of a tower computer, plug it in and enjoy performance of 50 years in the future.
ok im being stupid a bought 16 1gb gddr5 modules i need modded bios for r9 390x , but if you or some one was to install those chips would 8gb r9 390x still out put image and be noticeable by pc so a custom bios could be flashed i have titan x rx 6700 xt rx 570 8gb now a r9 390x its not a poor thing i just would like to see what a r9 390x with 16gb 2000mhz memory would perform instead of 1500
My old 4090 is in a vertical slot adapter. PC builder said it was a PNY RTX 4090 XLR8, but it looks like a Manli RTX 4090 Gallardo. It's been happy in a vertical slot, with the pins below the card, for a year+ now.
he probably charged up to 800 to 1k for this job. Why it isn't really worth having repair people work on things most of the time. Unless it is needed information.
I've used a support bracket from day one (yes, I know the owner of this bad one did too) and I undervolt it to 1v@2850mhz to not lose performance while lowering power usage and heat so I'm doing all I can to not kill it.
Depends on the support bracket, the ones that come with cards blow ass. I have the one that came with mine installed and an additional 3rd party support pillar.
My case was so big I couldn't use the supplied support bracket, had to get one that fixes to the remaining PCIE backplate slots. Of course, that was my second 4090 because my first died after a month... was it the lack of bracket so quickly? Who knows.
Mine is doing fine, I'm using DeepCool support bracket on my MSI Suprim X 4090 and after 8 months still no problem, It's inside a Cooler Master HAF 700 EVO. But yeah 2.3kg is freaking brutal.@@northwestrepair
@@northwestrepair Something really needs to be done if cards are going to stay this heavy, because putting it onto the consumer to prevent damage from what would be considered normal use previously isn't good. I also heard somewhere that 4090s don't even need these giant coolers, they thought they were going to be heat demons but turns out they're not so bad, so they could have got away with lighter components. Don't know if that's true or not.
I've been playing on my 4090 in a vertical slot for over a year. Never had an issue. (yet) But I'm probably just 1 statistic out of the maybe a couple 100k people with an RTX 4090.
Wow... I did not imagine that heavy heatsinks may cause such issues! Now I am even more interested in using risers/GPU support. Also, it was very cool to see how you repair all the stuff! Thanks for the video!
I think thats what killed my rx 6900 xt, i did use a support bracket, but after 2-3 years the support bracket can only help a little i guess, sent it inn for warrenty and got a rx 6950xt back😄 little upgrade
I have a CaseLabs S8 case which was one of their "cube" designs. It takes a full eATX board if you need it to. My 4090 is of course upright. I admit the case is mostly empty since I am on air cooling at the moment but I bought it for a custom water loop with twin 360 radiators in the roof but it is the sort of case that you buy "for life" and just keep rebuilding in over the years.
I'm a bit nervous as I just bought a ASUS 4080, is there any suggestions for improving it's life span? I really dread the thought of having it bust after just a year or two since my MSI 2080 has lasted about 5 years with no issues at all.
I do wonder just how wide spread this problem is? Or just how high of a percentage is the failure rate because it should not being happening as much as it seems to happen with these cards. They should be far more fool proof than what it seems. I have this exact same card. I wonder if a year from I won't be having the same problem. I have had the card for something like 6 months with no issues so far.
@@MissMan666 Didn't watch the video huh? Edit: It is mentioned at one point that the support bracket was used for this card, so no installing a support bracket isn't solving anything in this case.
The biggest culprit is the "no lead" solder. And since every one is using this now, every huge and heavy card is going to have these issues. My ASRock Radeon RX 6800 XT Taichi Gaming is a very big boy, and I made sure that the anti sag bracket is able to keep it level. I actually pushed my card up a bit higher when mounting it so that when it's full weight hit the bracket it just leveled out.
I have a 2070 super, so half the size of this card probably, but it started sacking more and more. I decided to 3D print a little support structure / pillar thingy supporting the card on 3 separate points. Goes to the bottom of the case instead of sticking it in the side. It has been straight and supported for probably 1 to 2 years now. If I hear the stories online and even from friends, I'm very happy I did it. Def recommend if you can. I assume with the 4090 some more pillars would be useful (even around the port itself)
My old 980 gigabyte windforce had really bad sagging (about 2cm), so I got a wood offcut and shaped it into a little support pillar, painted it black and propped up the card with it. I just swapped it out for a 1080ti over xmas and weirdly enough this new card although heavier did not have the sagging issue, think the backplate is thicker which has helped
@@Deetsdnb There's a few things gpus use to stop sagging. I think jaystwocents made a video on it. Though at the end of the day a support pillar will always have the best effect. Just a bit awkward moving the pc :p
I'm using the included motherboard-mounted support that came with my pny 4090. If following the instructions and setting everything up correctly isn't enough to prevent damage, I would be incredibly mad. I just purchased a post for the last unsupported corner of the card.
Hi Tony. Just wanted to say Thanks! for taking the time to describe the steps. I don't see myself doing any type of repair like that but I do like the science/knowledge/experience behind it.
Light mode is where back ground is white or light grey and text is black, dark mode is where background is black dark grey with white text, most ppl use dark mode at night time to reduce eye strain, great work on the repairs, nice to watch GPUs get fixed@@northwestrepair
Also want to point out, that you should keep your PC case on a sturdy table or a seperate table that you don't touch while using your PC, cuz if your table shakes or moves or even vibrates with the slightest movement of your limbs, it can possibly someday damage your gpu and the pcie slot due to the inertia while the pc case shakes, it will also slowly add extra sag to your gpu with time. I have learnt this lesson after losing two of my gpus, second one was brand new.
Or you could use a cabinet that has the motherboard laying flat... I had my computer in my campervan and was driving for 2 hours on really bad gravel roads that was so bad that I was afraid my van would shake into pieces. My computer was in the back mounted on a table with 2cm thick foam to dampen the vibrations a little, and when I started the computer after the trip it worked just fine ;) Normally after just moving a computer you often have to reseat the graphics card even on mine with laying down motherboard ...
@@a64738 The problem with this is watercooled CPUs. The watercoolers are designed to be used vertically and if you use them horizontally the trapped air can cavitate in the pump.
the other week i dropped a small lego piece that got trapped into my motherboard VRM cooler so i picked my PC up and shook it around till the piece came out, the 3080 and DH15 held on tight lol
It is definitely important, if you use a support bracket, to make sure it's as horizontal as possible, so it isn't pushing up or sagging down, and then pull the bracket out, and tighten the adjustable part extra tight - I've witnessed my ZOTAC 4090 actually push down on it enough to have moved it a tiny bit over time - it probably wasn't even a millimeter, but I still check once in a while to make sure it isn't even a little off.
I bought a factory watercooled 4090 for the reason that the size of the cooling block isn’t larger than the pcb itself. Because this makes the card small and light, this allowed me to easily use the vertical mount of my case and use the crappy power cable as intended with the bend radius, without having to worry about the card cracking or melting the powerplug. I know its crazy having to build your computer around the gpu 😅
It is strange that not many people are considering water-cooling as an alternative here. I am currently using air-cooled 4090 and I am definitely looking into a water-cooled one GPU next time.
Make sense. I have a RTX 4090 for a year now. No pleblems with it. Its a Gigabyte RTX 4090 gaming OC. I have it supported 2 places. Using the cards own bracket for support the rear of the card and my case (phanteks enthoo 719) own build in support bracket. That bracket is located in the front of the card and lift the card at the front of the card, more precisely lifts on the front bracket where all the display ports are. So my card is supported in front and rear and are maybe the one thing saving my cards from problems like this. Known problems for RTX 4090 is burnt power connector do to insufiant plug in mostly, ploblems like this i nthe video and there are also repports of that PCB it self can crack right at the PCIe insert. So its importen to support these cards properly (specially the aircooled card. The water cooled cards tends to me much lighter and dosent need the same support mostly), else you can be in for trouble.
When I built my first computer last year I noticed the 3090ti was heavy and decided to set it vertical for that reason alone. A day later I decided to go full custom loop and jump in with both feet. I ordered 3 different supports for it and used the one that supported all the weight effectively so I wouldn't put any weight on the hard lines. My point is that you don't have to be a pro to build it right if you you know general mechanic principles. Was the support tensioned effectively? Was it placed in the right spot or was it cantilevering? Supports are less than $10, buy a few of them and use the one that works. Otherwise an issue may arise years later- If you're gonna build it yourself, build it forever. On my first build of anything, cars, bikes, computers- I always have extra parts leftover. I'm fine with that if it lasts forever.
Also: "Support was used but it didn't help". I wonder when was the support ordered by the customer. If there's even one support installed correctly it should greatly decrease the stress on connectors and there shouldn't be an issue.
how do you rotate it if you have watercooling? I'm genuinely asking because my next pc with probably be a ryzen 9 8950x watercooled with a rtx 5090. I want to know if im able to rotate it too.
@@octav7438 You have to get the right case for it, most modern cases will have the vertical slot and some will even come with the GPU PCIE cable needed to do so. If the case does not come with it you have to install the GPU with the associated water jacket on and measure correctly since those cables have different sizes. I did it with the 5950X and a 3090ti. The biggest hurtle was finding the water jacket for the GPU, since I used the latest and greatest everything, no one made a jacket until the card was out for 6 months. This will be your issue and of course just the computer itself without periphery will cost you about $5K and a month or two of work with a ton of research.
@@ChrisRogersTheAngryChef Man I got a 5950x rn but my dumbass was hurrying when gpus were being scalped and ended up with a 3070ti. probably my fault for buying the gpu in 2021. I got it as soon as it was launched cause I got put it a waitlist
the best support bracket for any gpu are those cylinder ones you can screw up or down to adjust. put 1 of those on each side of a 4090 and your golden, less weight cards only need 1
Why would you assume Northridge fix couldn’t perform repairs like this? When you own a business and have a month long waiting list you have to be selective in the repairs you take on. If you could repair 5 or more devices in the time it takes you to complete one like this you make more income and chip away at the waiting list. A cocky tech taking shots at other channels is lame.
@@northwestrepair Who is going to fix 17 cracked 4090 PCB boards? No blame on the sender right? Are you upset you don’t have that kind of business? Another cocky reply. I get it, your the best tech alive.
Honestly each to their own. I just hope the customer is wise enough to not bother sending a complex repair to the tech who is only focused on mosfets and high volume.
Bro why are you jealous, you keep mentioning northridgefix in every video. Your too abscessed with him. Just focus on your own stuff and stop looking at how others do business or how much they charge. Alex has an unmatched personality like it or not
You're trying to stack 1500 lbs on the equivalent of a Walmart bookshelf. Tell me how long those shelves are gonna hold up. That's why Asus and other MB makers are back to looking at sidecars again. Whatever happened to the support bracket and rail to the far end of the case?
Considering the size and weight of those things these days, I'd say they now MUST be installed differently. The old traditional horizontal face down is over for those cinder blocks.
My 4090 is horizon in open case so it can breathe. As heavy as an actual full size old school red brick. Nvidia needs to go MCM to get GPU size, power use, cost and weight down
I’ve resigned to making my own support braces that screw into the case directly under the card from now on. Works well, just extra hassle. My opinion is basically ALL cards midrange and up will be needing some sort of support going forward.
my case sits on it side so that weight is on the connector, and not sagging on the side. PLUS no case cover due to the recall on the cablemod 90 adapter for 12VHP connector/cable.. FML 4090
my 4070ti came with a bracket, it was a dinky piece of plastic and the only place it fit was about 5mm under. So GPU has to sag very slightly just to be supported. 😄
I use one two poles on mine, it is heavy and big as hell compared to my old 3090. I seriously considered to lay the box horizontal but the two poles seem to be good enough. There is a serious problem with the size and weight of this generation and, considering the price they charge for the higher-end models, you would expect something more sophisticated that an ingot of metal on them.
Glad I bought a cherry mint 3070 instead. All I got to say is, how is anybody suppose to know all this to fix their own GPU when it dies? They don't even label the parts on the card, let alone tell you what they do.
Solution for the 4090 is not getting a 4090 at this point. Grossly expensive, and likely to fail. This product should allow for full refunds, if not a recall. There are so many issues caused by it's power draw and weight that it's a joke anymore when you talk about it.. I've heard Nvidia has stopped manufacturing these GPUs and I can take a few good guesses why. *coughs* and it isn't to create an artificial scarcity of them either, Nvidia is likely afraid of a possible Governmental Recall of the product, so the fewer out there the less it cost Nvidia. When regulators realize it isn't "USER" error and the product itself is fundamentally flawed. I mean I can easily point out that AMD or Intel are not even trying to compete with the 4090. What we've been seeing with the 4090 is likely the reason. For Nvidia to make a GPU as powerful as the 4090 they had to make a VERY hungry boy, and that boy also needs a VERY HUGE heatsink/cooler to keep from over heating. It is a ridiculous product when you think about it. I don't even feel sorry for consumers who have broke 4090s anymore. Since there have been issues with the GPU pretty much since launch but people still keep buying them. What I find amusing is Nvidia's decision to dumb down the 4090 for the Chinese Market to get around AI export restrictions, was likely a way for Nvidia to dumb what remained of it's 4090 components. While halting production of mainstream 4090s for the rest of the market. Their decision to make a dumb down version for China, at the same time makes sense when you put it in that context. Speculation on my part though.
Watching this reminds of being a child and watching over my dad's shoulder; he repaired electronics for GE. He passed about 15 years ago, and had retired before computers got big. He repaired TV's, stereos, and VCR's. But his methods were very similar to yours... checking for correct readings from the multimeter, flux, solder, etc. No internet... had to order paper spec sheets. Interestingly he also predated affordable infrared cameras, so he had to use a different method: If it worked after getting blasted with Freon, that was the bad chip.
But he, too, could repair the things other people couldn't. So plenty of people gave him their broken stuff, and our house had a TV and VCR in every room but the bathrooms, and a garage that looked like a TV/electronics parts store.
Thanks for your work and channel. Dad would surely have been impressed with your skill.
It's an amazing skill, thanks for sharing
Did your dad work for Marquette?
Computers were still huge 15 years ago, kitty.
@@hithere7382 why u being weird bro
@@calloused8758 their username is literally "bitteroldhousecat" and their image is a cat.
A solution for 4090's is to use a vertical gpu mount. They are just too heavy for horizontal mounting
This. You can even move your PC around since its connected by riser. I picked up a Core P3 Pro(default vertical mount GPU) after my 4090 and couldn't have been happier.
Or just skip buying shi1t product like 4090.
@@devilzuser0050That's not the point, dumbo. It's the sheer size and weight of the card.
the best and also very cost effective method is to stay the F*** away from NVIDA ...btww 1 and 2 K for this craps ?? seriously? wow - how blind can one be?
hide your wallets. There’s poor folks around.
4090's should come with "Flying Buttress" support brackets like the ones used on old Gothic Cathedrals for horizontal mounting.
send an example
I'll bet someone's made a 3d printed one somewhere
that would be cool
with leaded solder it would have been no issue
Or more practically, motherboards should come with holes below the PCI to attach a support. Flying buttress' were used to prevent a straight vertical wall from bulging outwards due to the weight of the roof, which itself kept the walls from collapsing inwards.
Corbel is the term for Gothic cathedral support brackets, it is the sort of thing you put a stone gargoyle atop. Feels oddly appropriate for Nvidia to be a modern gargoyle.
Always a pleasure to watch a master work. Thanks for fixing my 4090 a couple of weeks ago Tony. I'm so grateful for everything you did.
nvidia is even more grateful for having customers like you
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@@nicholasxamotainiumgilgameshwhat does this mean
@@disres1337 Cash cow customers.
@@huntershonour2433 I wanted to be a happy AMD customer but after my first ever GPU RMA had to be done with the 7900 XTX, the bullshit with their DXNavi shader stutters, the bullshit with random older games having performance bugs they neglect to fix, the bullshit with idle power being over 100w, and the bullshit with them running DLL injection behind users and developers backs and getting their users banned from online games I honestly have a very sour taste left in my mouth from AMD. I should've spent the $200 extra and got a card that wasn't an actual piece of dog shit, but I won't ever be making that mistake again.
This dude has become my favorite RUclipsr 🙌🏻
Hes been mine for a min dude is a legend
your skill with these repairs is really impressive.
Indeed, if I ever need GPU repairs, this would be the number one guy I would turn to.
You'll probably be paying a quarter if not a half of what a 4090 costs to get it repaired from NWR.
Or...........Lay the case on its side 😁
I layed my case horizontally on the floor to avoid any sagging issues with the 4090. That thing weighs seven pounds. If you've ever held it in your hands, that thing is a beast.
Same here, just not on the floor but one of those little square tables from ikea.
Exactly. I laid my case horizontally on a little table with my 4080, no issues and I suspect I will never have issues. I think the bend in the card is too pronounced otherwise, even with with a bracket, you still get different pressures on the card over time and the risk of cracking is too high. These cards are way too heavy.
It's not a "beast", it's a lawn mower.
They shouldn't even exist outside of maybe data centers.
How does that work with AIO CPU cooler?
@@McDudes Still works fine
The 4090s are such poorly built cards but nobody wants to listen. The burning power connectors are a problem but people watch one internet video and think it's not a problem. Now we got this problem. The weight of the honking sized cooler causing the board to flex and connections to come lose. You got to be a fool to give that much money to Nvidia.
I've done plenty of soldering, but watching you reball that GPU gave me anxiety.
That was nuts to watch! But so very cool.
Lol thanks
A lot of the support brackets that come with that card are too flimsy in most cases. The structure doesn't have enough stiffness so that it can support the weight of the card. So the options are to either vertical mount or use custom support pillars so that the card sits on something more solid.
Flip the case on its side thats it better thermals better support
Flipping case might not work. My PSU's fan does weird noises in that position.
my MSI 3080 had a support bracket that did not even make contact lmao
I actually picked up a support pillar from Amazon for $10 that’s been great for my 3070. Magnet on the bottom sticks to the bottom of the case/PSU shroud, then threaded head extends up until it makes contact with the card, and threaded washer secures it
I have a LANCOOL III case which has some motherboard standoffs and a metal support bracket that is directly screwed into the case. I really hope that's enough to carry a 3090. In fact, I had the 3090 for 2 years before I started using a bracket, and I can see that it's sort of bent the PCB already. Sigh. NVIDIA should include brackets in every model.
Pro's
RTX 4090 - fastest graphics card presently available
Cons
Everything else, melting power connectors, warping PCB, snapping PCB on graphics card, damage to PCI-E slot and motherboard, huge money sink and most importantly major emotional damage.
Even non heavy cards are warping. My 4070ti ProArt is showing signs of the board warping after a few months, and it's not even a heavy card, and it has a solid metal body, and it's pretty light, way lighter than the 1080ti it was replacing, yet where it was once flushly sandwiched together, I've noticed the PCB has lowered in some areas. I'd say the only thing keeping the GPU from desoldering over time is the heatsink pressure. It's not just the physical heatsink designs, I think they cut a lot of corners in components like the PCB's they use or introduced new processes or materials that clearly have issues.
Cutting corners, who ever would do such a thing... hardware these days are not built to last, they are only to last as long as their warranty forcing people to upgrade.@@peoplez129
You forgot Nvidia crappy drivers
@@TristanKleinpasteyou mispelled amd
@@TristanKleinpaste I thought amd had the bad drivers.
He just did not have enough upwards pressure on the support bracket. 40 series will definitely age like bad milk due to the connectors being a risk and heavy cracked GPUs. Sad to see this is where this gen headed to and people still consume…
Aren't they using the updated version of the connector these days?
Thats BS you just cant afford any lmao
@@user-eu5ol7mx8yupdated connectors still have too loose tolerances, it's like a lottery if your PC will burn.
@@powerplay074you don't even have a 4090 and you're making this comment. Embarrassing
And vram amounts sucks too
you're the real THE GREATEST TECHNICIAN THE EVER LIVED.
nah am sure there are better
Only different mounting will save your GPU. I recognized this trend back in the GTX 1080 days and have only built horizontal motherboard systems since.
Man I have my strix 1080ti mounted vertically for this very reason. That thing's almost 3 slots
I wouldn't be shocked to learn that its the reason why my old 290 died, that thing was a beast, too.
Seriously, we need more actual "desktop" style systems. I get why vertical stuff became the go-to but letting everything NOT hang off of the motherboard would be nice
damn this is the fastest i've ever clicked a northwestrepair video lol
same
that's lead free solder alright, total garbage.
What do you mean? "Hiroshima Alex" is the bestestestest Capacitor/Mosfet swapper on RUclips! There's no other better GPU repairman than you NWR!
I love how folks would spend a fortune for this, install the brick without the cheapest diy solution to prevent bending, and then spend another fortune for repair. God, send some brain.
Agreed. The manufacturers should insist on vertical mounting for these GPUs due to the sheer size of them
Vertical mount ftw. Wasn't taking a risk with my Gigabyte 4090, only to see a few months later the cracking PCB issue! Glad I went v-mount. My temps are +/- 1 degree from from horizontal mounting. It's solid too, can move my PC case with GPU in and it's firmly in place
@TRC_WAa support mount should suffice. I went vertical mount for safety since it's basically impossible to damage my GPU or pcie slot on mobo since my case is basically an open air test bench
I have a bracket built into my 4090 and also use an extendable pole support. I'm taking no chances🤣 Great video👍🏼
Me too. Inno3d is Solid stable. And a pole helped me my old 6900xt😂
Absolutely love your videos. Until I saw them I didn't think anything like this was possible. I wanted to also thank you for your post in regards fake 4090s in the US market. Nothing worse than a thief. So glad you have the skill set and the willingness to expose bad actors and help good people. Thanks so much again.
You are so welcome!
A 4090 should have a lower clock speed and a smaller heatsink. Problem solved.
Nice to see a technician using Battlefield to test a card. I think it is a heavy enough game and VERY well optimized, which makes for a better parameter than other unstable games. You can also set the resolution scaling to 200% to force even more your GPU
Same way i feel about Metro Exodus enhanced edition.
The only game that can make my 4090 hit over 525 watts, even with DLSS set to Quality at 4k.
(Also has options for Shader Scale to further increase load.)
A great game to stress any gpu, especially nvidia gpu with rtx.
@@nuruddinpeters9491 how are you hitting 525 watts? my card's power limit is 477 wats at 106% power limit
I was thinking otherwise because he had the frame limit capped at 60 fps. He doesn't have it displayed but I'm guessing the card was only running at 30% usage in that test. Maybe he has a reason for the cap though, I'm not an expert
@@adrianjones8073 powerlimit on msi liquid suprim 110 percent.
Overlock +150 on core
Overclock +650 on mem.
Most scenes, (not the Taiga as Taiga is mostly a CPU limited area,) The Volga and Caspian Sea Open Areas, it temps will hit about 69-72C and wattage can/will spike tp 500-525 ish.
Frame cap, unlocked.
@adrianjones8073 different manufacturers, different cards, different TDP .
Mine is also over 500W so nothing unusual there.
Even my 4070 tries to sag. I've got an MSI Gaming X Trio which comes with a pretty beefy support bracket, and it still takes a bit of kajiggering to get it to sit just right without sagging. I've started building my own support brackets which can make a GPU mounting rock solid. And I put a support post right at the very end of the card where there is the most weight to sag. I can only imagine how heavy these 90 class cards are.
i've been using a gainward phantom 4090 for a few months now and only use a small cylindrical mount at the end of my card and so far no sag. thanks to its anti sag metal plate. the pcb is screwed directly into the metal plate which spans the top of the card making it an effective antibend + cooling mechanism, never exceeded 65°c so far, even when gaming for 15+ hours straight. for gainwards standards it is a step in the right direction. 10/10, would recommend. some gpu manufacturers should take hints, this should be a standard on all 4090s!
@@-T--T- yes i agree that it's overlooked. however it isn't a standard on all cards and some of them do cheap out on using plastics causing the PCB to bend. i don't believe he's intentionally kicking up drama, because every circumstance is different when it comes to them breaking.
even cards with metal plates being supported can still be susceptible to bending at their PCIe slots if not done correctly. I was experiencing this originally with my 4090, went cheap with a support bracket and nearly paid the price. These are extremely heavy, in terms of GPUs.
XFX does the same thing on their 'Merc' cards, I know they only make AMD but when I installed a 6800xt for my buddy I was surprised how little it sagged. Even smaller cards than the 4090 are pretty large nowadays.
I have phantom 4080 and I am using two support pillars. The one card came with is attached to the end of card and other one I have placed at the middle of the gpu just in case. (Gainward phantom line-up is great by the way, cooling performance is phenomenal)
@@Born_Stellar XFX makes great cards in my opinion, plus they have one of the best warranties in the biz, or at least I know they used to. I always used to to buy XFX cards, back when I used AMD cards. I've been on Nvidia since the 20 series. It's too bad Nvidia's greed caused EVGA to exit the GPU market, they were probably one of the premiere brands for GPUs. If XFX made Nvidia cards, they would probably be very good.
@@Born_Stellar Interesting because my XFX 6900 MERC is currently being assessed and in the workshop with issues in the video (perfect on all stress and benchmarks but random crashing blackscreen during games - hard reset required). I used a support bracket on right side and the double case screws left side. It still allows micro-flex in the middle of the card - which is where the VRAM modules and Die are. I will not horizontal mount a GPU ever again!!! Riser cable purchased, lets hope mine can be salvaged.
I suppose it's best to vertical mount these massive heatsink cards to avoid this problem.
Yep
Support brackets are bullshit as they bend WITH the GPU over time. I observed it on my MSI RTX4090 which has one supplied. Better use a support stud that can be adjusted.
Those Connector specialist jokes always get me :D
Sounds like the "owner" is nonchalantly forgetting some details. Card sitting still in the case with a bracket has no way of generating enough stress to cause any damage, unless the case was moved. Older cards even though a smaller than this could sit for years while sagging without a bracket and still not have damage. This is most probably mishandling like almost every other case with these cards.
The issue here is likely the use of "gpu anti-sag brackets". IMO those brackets barely do anything at all, especially since you just mount them on the same chassis slots under the GPU and then expect that thin bar to support all that weight up until the very end of it. What people need to use are GPU support stands. Those pillar-shaped stands that actually support the GPU from underneath, straight down as if it were a leg. There's a reason why some 4090 models come with included stands. Cost-cutting with brackets isn't going to do any help since those sag down too.
Those stands don't actually work either, they gradually work loose due to the vibrations of the chassis fans if nothing else.
@@jimmydesouza4375 You need to get a good stand if vibrations are the issue. Get something made of metal with secure feet and mounting, as well as rubber dampers. Deepcool has a hybrid bracket+stand that you both mount and stand using a metal pole, and it comes with a rubber damper head and feet as the contact and the stand. It can also be adjusted vertically and horizontally on the x, y, z axis. I have this very model and it's so secure that I can even set it so it pushes my GPU bending up if I was crazy enough to do so. People need to think a bit better about the specifics when it comes to such support structures.
@@kamikaze00007 I actually used two, one was coolermaster and the other was the one that came with the GPU (MSI). Happened to both.
It is something that is unavoidable. Vibrations, even slight ones, always work things loose.
@@jimmydesouza4375 Maybe usage of loctite threadlocker will help?
@@jimmydesouza4375i’ve never heard such nonsense in all my life.
My Asus Strix 4090 OC is already working great vore 1 year no problems !!!!!!
If even support brackets are not enough,. the future for top-end GPUs is indeed bleak.
I wonder what "threshold" for GPU weight-length is considered "too heavy to physically break solder joints".
By the way, why don't GPUs just use pins? Wouldn't it eliminate that issue COMPLETELY, save for VRAM still breaking?
I mean instead of innovating were now just increasing size and power draw.... Doesnt sound like innovation. At this point make a gpu the size of a tower computer, plug it in and enjoy performance of 50 years in the future.
ok im being stupid a bought 16 1gb gddr5 modules i need modded bios for r9 390x , but if you or some one was to install those chips would 8gb r9 390x still out put image and be noticeable by pc so a custom bios could be flashed
i have titan x rx 6700 xt rx 570 8gb now a r9 390x its not a poor thing i just would like to see what a r9 390x with 16gb 2000mhz memory would perform instead of 1500
My old 4090 is in a vertical slot adapter. PC builder said it was a PNY RTX 4090 XLR8, but it looks like a Manli RTX 4090 Gallardo. It's been happy in a vertical slot, with the pins below the card, for a year+ now.
It's the PNY 4090 Verto. I have the same card as I liked the look of it and bought it at MSRP.
These GPUs are getting so heavy that the AIBs need to add scaffolding to support the card's weight from sagging. All RTX 4090s that I've seen sag.
he probably charged up to 800 to 1k for this job. Why it isn't really worth having repair people work on things most of the time. Unless it is needed information.
I've used a support bracket from day one (yes, I know the owner of this bad one did too) and I undervolt it to 1v@2850mhz to not lose performance while lowering power usage and heat so I'm doing all I can to not kill it.
Depends on the support bracket, the ones that come with cards blow ass. I have the one that came with mine installed and an additional 3rd party support pillar.
@@tsdobbi I'm using the one built in to the Fractal Torrent case.
awesome video! I am wondering, the 4090 is quite a recent card, why didnt they just rma it? It is fixed by you, but i guess that voids the warranty.
My case was so big I couldn't use the supplied support bracket, had to get one that fixes to the remaining PCIE backplate slots.
Of course, that was my second 4090 because my first died after a month... was it the lack of bracket so quickly? Who knows.
Most likely.
This one lasted 2 months WITH support bracket.
Mine is doing fine, I'm using DeepCool support bracket on my MSI Suprim X 4090 and after 8 months still no problem, It's inside a Cooler Master HAF 700 EVO. But yeah 2.3kg is freaking brutal.@@northwestrepair
@@northwestrepair Something really needs to be done if cards are going to stay this heavy, because putting it onto the consumer to prevent damage from what would be considered normal use previously isn't good.
I also heard somewhere that 4090s don't even need these giant coolers, they thought they were going to be heat demons but turns out they're not so bad, so they could have got away with lighter components. Don't know if that's true or not.
My 4090 stays at a constant 35c while gaming, is that normal?@@Zikar
@@davehenderson6896 Mine runs in the mid 40s to lows 50s when playing Resident Evil 4.
Brand will make a difference too, of course.
considering the price of these things, they should just all come with liquid coolers, like the r9 fury X.
I have a Hyte Y60 case so my 4090 is vertically mounted. Would vertically mounting help prevent this?
most likely
I've been playing on my 4090 in a vertical slot for over a year. Never had an issue. (yet) But I'm probably just 1 statistic out of the maybe a couple 100k people with an RTX 4090.
5000 years from now, they will dig this stuff up and think it had to be alien technology.
Wow... I did not imagine that heavy heatsinks may cause such issues!
Now I am even more interested in using risers/GPU support.
Also, it was very cool to see how you repair all the stuff!
Thanks for the video!
Always my beef with high end GPUs these days. I mean sure they're ludicrously powerful but they're too heavy and bloated to be practical.
True, I miss the days when GPUs were 14 cm long tops...
I think horizontal desktop PC cases should make a comeback. That would solve the graphics card sag issue!
I think thats what killed my rx 6900 xt, i did use a support bracket, but after 2-3 years the support bracket can only help a little i guess, sent it inn for warrenty and got a rx 6950xt back😄 little upgrade
I have a CaseLabs S8 case which was one of their "cube" designs. It takes a full eATX board if you need it to. My 4090 is of course upright. I admit the case is mostly empty since I am on air cooling at the moment but I bought it for a custom water loop with twin 360 radiators in the roof but it is the sort of case that you buy "for life" and just keep rebuilding in over the years.
Or a $5 bracket brace for the same result.
@@DanielCoffey67 I use a Cooler Master HAF XB, its basically a giant cube.
I'm a bit nervous as I just bought a ASUS 4080, is there any suggestions for improving it's life span?
I really dread the thought of having it bust after just a year or two since my MSI 2080 has lasted about 5 years with no issues at all.
I do wonder just how wide spread this problem is? Or just how high of a percentage is the failure rate because it should not being happening as much as it seems to happen with these cards. They should be far more fool proof than what it seems.
I have this exact same card. I wonder if a year from I won't be having the same problem. I have had the card for something like 6 months with no issues so far.
just install a support bracket, problem solved
@@MissMan666 Didn't watch the video huh?
Edit: It is mentioned at one point that the support bracket was used for this card, so no installing a support bracket isn't solving anything in this case.
because manufacturers switched to lead free solder and now solder joints breaking after one drop in the packaging
@@Nicc93 Yeah, I have seen this as part of the problem. Still not a way to fix it with current with cards unfortunately.
Why are you constantly calling out Alex in your videos? Is there some issue there?
The biggest culprit is the "no lead" solder. And since every one is using this now, every huge and heavy card is going to have these issues. My ASRock Radeon RX 6800 XT Taichi Gaming is a very big boy, and I made sure that the anti sag bracket is able to keep it level. I actually pushed my card up a bit higher when mounting it so that when it's full weight hit the bracket it just leveled out.
broken power connector will most likely to end up on the bench of this guy :) that's epic
Gone are the days of horizontal mounting. These cards can only be mounted vertically.
Vertical mounting is the way, regardless what any ignoramus who suggest otherwise will tell you.
I have a 2070 super, so half the size of this card probably, but it started sacking more and more. I decided to 3D print a little support structure / pillar thingy supporting the card on 3 separate points. Goes to the bottom of the case instead of sticking it in the side. It has been straight and supported for probably 1 to 2 years now. If I hear the stories online and even from friends, I'm very happy I did it. Def recommend if you can.
I assume with the 4090 some more pillars would be useful (even around the port itself)
or just, you know rotate your case 90 degrees
@@pygmalion8952 And take 4 times the table space? No, thank you
@@pygmalion8952 This guy has the tech of the gods, beyond our mere mortal comprehension
My old 980 gigabyte windforce had really bad sagging (about 2cm), so I got a wood offcut and shaped it into a little support pillar, painted it black and propped up the card with it.
I just swapped it out for a 1080ti over xmas and weirdly enough this new card although heavier did not have the sagging issue, think the backplate is thicker which has helped
@@Deetsdnb There's a few things gpus use to stop sagging. I think jaystwocents made a video on it. Though at the end of the day a support pillar will always have the best effect. Just a bit awkward moving the pc :p
I think the giga byte oc has the best bracket. Its actually fixed to the frame of the case and have zero sag.
I'm using the included motherboard-mounted support that came with my pny 4090. If following the instructions and setting everything up correctly isn't enough to prevent damage, I would be incredibly mad. I just purchased a post for the last unsupported corner of the card.
Just get a case that supports vertical mount and make it Vertical before it happens to you too.
May be. But if you fart, its not mentioned in the instructions and therefore damaging the card.
Or just not get a 40 series cards above 4070. It is somewhat fine, while all bigger cards already pushing limits.
I just made some steel tubes which I put between the bottom of the case and cpu, so that cpu basically lays on top of em.
Hi Tony. Just wanted to say Thanks! for taking the time to describe the steps. I don't see myself doing any type of repair like that but I do like the science/knowledge/experience behind it.
So you're telling me a GPU can die by being too heavy?
Mfw NWR uses light-mode in discord: 😔
what ?
Light mode is where back ground is white or light grey and text is black, dark mode is where background is black dark grey with white text, most ppl use dark mode at night time to reduce eye strain, great work on the repairs, nice to watch GPUs get fixed@@northwestrepair
If your eyes have astigmatism, light mode is much easier to see than dark mode.
Not for this person.@@kunka592
@@northwestrepairIt's a joke lol 😆
Horizontal mounting is just fine, just don't be stupid. If you spend $1600-$2000 for a graphics card, go buy a damn $10 gpu support....
Also want to point out, that you should keep your PC case on a sturdy table or a seperate table that you don't touch while using your PC, cuz if your table shakes or moves or even vibrates with the slightest movement of your limbs, it can possibly someday damage your gpu and the pcie slot due to the inertia while the pc case shakes, it will also slowly add extra sag to your gpu with time. I have learnt this lesson after losing two of my gpus, second one was brand new.
Feel sorry for the brand new incident
Or you could use a cabinet that has the motherboard laying flat... I had my computer in my campervan and was driving for 2 hours on really bad gravel roads that was so bad that I was afraid my van would shake into pieces. My computer was in the back mounted on a table with 2cm thick foam to dampen the vibrations a little, and when I started the computer after the trip it worked just fine ;) Normally after just moving a computer you often have to reseat the graphics card even on mine with laying down motherboard ...
will protector stop that?
@@a64738 The problem with this is watercooled CPUs. The watercoolers are designed to be used vertically and if you use them horizontally the trapped air can cavitate in the pump.
the other week i dropped a small lego piece that got trapped into my motherboard VRM cooler so i picked my PC up and shook it around till the piece came out, the 3080 and DH15 held on tight lol
I had reballing done a few times on my laptop gpu. It works for a while, but it never lasts.
Either rma or get a better brand next time.
I could watch you reballing things for 12 hours straight. No breaks. Pure art.
It is definitely important, if you use a support bracket, to make sure it's as horizontal as possible, so it isn't pushing up or sagging down, and then pull the bracket out, and tighten the adjustable part extra tight - I've witnessed my ZOTAC 4090 actually push down on it enough to have moved it a tiny bit over time - it probably wasn't even a millimeter, but I still check once in a while to make sure it isn't even a little off.
You are truly Genius and a Good person..
A good person always shares their knowledge with others without fear of losing their own value..
That's 4090 is just like me. It works when It wants, It doesn't work when It don't wants. I think I need a reball too.
R u male?))
I bought a factory watercooled 4090 for the reason that the size of the cooling block isn’t larger than the pcb itself. Because this makes the card small and light, this allowed me to easily use the vertical mount of my case and use the crappy power cable as intended with the bend radius, without having to worry about the card cracking or melting the powerplug. I know its crazy having to build your computer around the gpu 😅
It is strange that not many people are considering water-cooling as an alternative here. I am currently using air-cooled 4090 and I am definitely looking into a water-cooled one GPU next time.
Make sense. I have a RTX 4090 for a year now. No pleblems with it. Its a Gigabyte RTX 4090 gaming OC. I have it supported 2 places. Using the cards own bracket for support the rear of the card and my case (phanteks enthoo 719) own build in support bracket. That bracket is located in the front of the card and lift the card at the front of the card, more precisely lifts on the front bracket where all the display ports are. So my card is supported in front and rear and are maybe the one thing saving my cards from problems like this.
Known problems for RTX 4090 is burnt power connector do to insufiant plug in mostly, ploblems like this i nthe video and there are also repports of that PCB it self can crack right at the PCIe insert. So its importen to support these cards properly (specially the aircooled card. The water cooled cards tends to me much lighter and dosent need the same support mostly), else you can be in for trouble.
When I built my first computer last year I noticed the 3090ti was heavy and decided to set it vertical for that reason alone. A day later I decided to go full custom loop and jump in with both feet. I ordered 3 different supports for it and used the one that supported all the weight effectively so I wouldn't put any weight on the hard lines. My point is that you don't have to be a pro to build it right if you you know general mechanic principles. Was the support tensioned effectively? Was it placed in the right spot or was it cantilevering? Supports are less than $10, buy a few of them and use the one that works. Otherwise an issue may arise years later- If you're gonna build it yourself, build it forever. On my first build of anything, cars, bikes, computers- I always have extra parts leftover. I'm fine with that if it lasts forever.
Also: "Support was used but it didn't help".
I wonder when was the support ordered by the customer. If there's even one support installed correctly it should greatly decrease the stress on connectors and there shouldn't be an issue.
@@StarkillerObl agreed.
how do you rotate it if you have watercooling? I'm genuinely asking because my next pc with probably be a ryzen 9 8950x watercooled with a rtx 5090. I want to know if im able to rotate it too.
@@octav7438 You have to get the right case for it, most modern cases will have the vertical slot and some will even come with the GPU PCIE cable needed to do so. If the case does not come with it you have to install the GPU with the associated water jacket on and measure correctly since those cables have different sizes. I did it with the 5950X and a 3090ti. The biggest hurtle was finding the water jacket for the GPU, since I used the latest and greatest everything, no one made a jacket until the card was out for 6 months. This will be your issue and of course just the computer itself without periphery will cost you about $5K and a month or two of work with a ton of research.
@@ChrisRogersTheAngryChef Man I got a 5950x rn but my dumbass was hurrying when gpus were being scalped and ended up with a 3070ti. probably my fault for buying the gpu in 2021. I got it as soon as it was launched cause I got put it a waitlist
What kind of support bracket????
The problem is that it is a PNY product. .
nah, they are all the same more or less.
the best support bracket for any gpu are those cylinder ones you can screw up or down to adjust. put 1 of those on each side of a 4090 and your golden, less weight cards only need 1
Why would you assume Northridge fix couldn’t perform repairs like this? When you own a business and have a month long waiting list you have to be selective in the repairs you take on. If you could repair 5 or more devices in the time it takes you to complete one like this you make more income and chip away at the waiting list. A cocky tech taking shots at other channels is lame.
Look at his 19 4090s video with cracked PCBs.
How many did he fix vs how much money did he take for repair attempt for each card ?
Exactly.
@@northwestrepair Who is going to fix 17 cracked 4090 PCB boards? No blame on the sender right? Are you upset you don’t have that kind of business? Another cocky reply. I get it, your the best tech alive.
Honestly each to their own. I just hope the customer is wise enough to not bother sending a complex repair to the tech who is only focused on mosfets and high volume.
Bro why are you jealous, you keep mentioning northridgefix in every video. Your too abscessed with him. Just focus on your own stuff and stop looking at how others do business or how much they charge. Alex has an unmatched personality like it or not
Happy with 3060 card ...mini size ..have a break ..
Half the problem is is using lead free solder in the construction. It is too brittle and heat cycling and mechanical stress cracks it.
You're trying to stack 1500 lbs on the equivalent of a Walmart bookshelf. Tell me how long those shelves are gonna hold up. That's why Asus and other MB makers are back to looking at sidecars again. Whatever happened to the support bracket and rail to the far end of the case?
vertical mount gang here, hopefully we dont suffer
more ppl need to appreciate horizontal case
I had a similar issue with a Asus Tuf 3070 I bought secondhand recently. Luckily it was still under warranty and I got a replacement for free.
My tuf 4090 oc runs great,it comes with a small pole to support the weight on the corner.
Considering the size and weight of those things these days, I'd say they now MUST be installed differently.
The old traditional horizontal face down is over for those cinder blocks.
do you think if i use lighter waterblock it should help with longevity of this card ?
yes
My 4090 is horizon in open case so it can breathe. As heavy as an actual full size old school red brick. Nvidia needs to go MCM to get GPU size, power use, cost and weight down
I woke up early here in iraq , waiting for your video ❤
freaking hell this electronic wizardry is beyond my me
I’ve resigned to making my own support braces that screw into the case directly under the card from now on. Works well, just extra hassle. My opinion is basically ALL cards midrange and up will be needing some sort of support going forward.
you're so skilled and absolutely amazing at this. keep up the amazing content? it's truly impressive.
what would cost quality ngreedia to supply quality support brakets for their 2k gpu..... millions in support .... but hey trillion dollar stock.....
Have a 4070 TIS, been running it flat(gpu sits up vertically on flat MB), wondering if that would help?
my case sits on it side so that weight is on the connector, and not sagging on the side. PLUS no case cover due to the recall on the cablemod 90 adapter for 12VHP connector/cable.. FML 4090
my 4070ti came with a bracket, it was a dinky piece of plastic and the only place it fit was about 5mm under. So GPU has to sag very slightly just to be supported. 😄
I use one two poles on mine, it is heavy and big as hell compared to my old 3090. I seriously considered to lay the box horizontal but the two poles seem to be good enough. There is a serious problem with the size and weight of this generation and, considering the price they charge for the higher-end models, you would expect something more sophisticated that an ingot of metal on them.
Your discord link please... Can't find it... Amazing work!
7900xt's failing, everyone loses their minds, 4090's failing, ah I'll just buy another.
I did learn something today… will need a freaking crane to keep that card from sagging 🤣
Glad I bought a cherry mint 3070 instead.
All I got to say is, how is anybody suppose to know all this to fix their own GPU when it dies? They don't even label the parts on the card, let alone tell you what they do.
Khm khm, Vik-On? mafya67? Who's next PCExpert? АСЦ?
This has quickly become one of my favorite channels. Your level of skill is inspiring
Solution for the 4090 is not getting a 4090 at this point. Grossly expensive, and likely to fail. This product should allow for full refunds, if not a recall. There are so many issues caused by it's power draw and weight that it's a joke anymore when you talk about it.. I've heard Nvidia has stopped manufacturing these GPUs and I can take a few good guesses why. *coughs* and it isn't to create an artificial scarcity of them either, Nvidia is likely afraid of a possible Governmental Recall of the product, so the fewer out there the less it cost Nvidia. When regulators realize it isn't "USER" error and the product itself is fundamentally flawed.
I mean I can easily point out that AMD or Intel are not even trying to compete with the 4090. What we've been seeing with the 4090 is likely the reason. For Nvidia to make a GPU as powerful as the 4090 they had to make a VERY hungry boy, and that boy also needs a VERY HUGE heatsink/cooler to keep from over heating. It is a ridiculous product when you think about it. I don't even feel sorry for consumers who have broke 4090s anymore. Since there have been issues with the GPU pretty much since launch but people still keep buying them.
What I find amusing is Nvidia's decision to dumb down the 4090 for the Chinese Market to get around AI export restrictions, was likely a way for Nvidia to dumb what remained of it's 4090 components. While halting production of mainstream 4090s for the rest of the market. Their decision to make a dumb down version for China, at the same time makes sense when you put it in that context. Speculation on my part though.
Your videos make me worry for my 4090... i have 14 days left to return it to best buy. Got it for 1789$ after taxes and fees.