Update: Future Mrs Zoomer did this bracket and she got Lutheran due to her Midwestern Lutheran heritage and veneration of Bach (also my video is not getting dislike-bombed, the return dislike extension is not accurate)
I'm not offended by his ignorance, just annoyed that he refuses to correct it 🤷🏼♀️ Once again, Reformed Baptists, particularly Covenental Reformed Baptists, believe *almost identical things* to Presbyterians regarding soteriology, ordinances, and covenental theology. We just believe that the birth of the new covenant is the new birth by the Spirit. And yes, the term "Reformed Baptist" is newer, but it's hardly a new concept.
I'm in this camp too. And like he doesn't even acknowledge ANY of the Baptist contributions to music either... Like almost all the roots of American country music was footed by Baptist musicians and singers... Starting to think he's got a hatred for Baptists just because he wants to... He hides behind "the differences" of presby and bapst but truth is there ain't too much different when you look at the bigger picture..
@@grammaurai6843 It was "particular Baptists" before 1960-1980 until you guys decided to hijack the name of another protestant tradition and pretend you were just a congregational version of it (we already had the Congregationalists). Besides that, your view on Baptism is very different and as far as i know your Covenant Theology is also different. I'm saying that for the sake of what i believe is intellectual honesty, but Reformed Baptist preachers had a great impact on me especially when i was converting and i believe their association with Presbyterians actually helped PCA and other Presbyterian churches remain theologically conservative.
@@jeremykoeppe7949 it's subconscious. The relationship between RBs and Presbyterians is like that of Lutherans and Presbyterians. We're cool with them, they dislike us, often for things we don't even believe.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 noooo! no respect for the papacy! so many don't believe in justification by faith! many led astray. we need to face this for the sake of preaching the Gospel!
Truth pills are hard to swallow. Every post catho protestant was a product of the abuse of the Catholic Church. Hard to predict protestants existing had the catholics not continue to drive wedges between folks. @Raxel501
@@heidehho6191except that can be applied to any denomination’s worse elements lol RZ doesn’t jump online to shoot some potshots at Coptics or Methodists or even Non Denominationals every week lmao
@@PerturaboIWthat’s wild. I’ll never become a Catholic. Respect them? Of course. Think I’m eating Jesus’ literal body and blood and priests can’t be married? No way.
The reason almost anybody could be Anglican is because they shy away from taking super hard line positions on miniscule topics. They don't force people to belive tiny little obscure factoids about what 2 words mean in some obscure scripture most Christians have never read before. This means two things; one is that there seems to be many things Anglicans can believe without loosing the church. People can actually disagree on little things without a forced conformity on every little topic. Secondly, I think it may be the 3rd largest church in the world, or third largest Christian church? Meaning, it has that "old" faith feel, there is a presence in most places where churches can be planted, and it has a decent balance between the high church RC system and the reformed "but scripture is actually the highest authority" protestant. Anglicans themselves may fight about whether they should be described as protestant and/or reformed etc. I rather like the idea of not making grand universal sweeping hard judgments on every tiny thing. When a church does this, it ipso facto excludes everyone who isn't sure. Forcing them to either bow at the feet of church authority, or feel like they are a bad Christian in some way for not agreeing with the church. You don't want a church that, every 10 minutes, proclaims some new thing you MUST believe in order to remain part of that church. I'm not personally a "high church" type because I think too much weight is placed on things like symbols and litergy and icons and rituals and it tends to feel borderline idolotrous at times. We aren't "earning" anything by doing all these rituals, it doesn't make us more Christian or more favored or anything. The heart of the church is to spread the gospel and serve people. The heart of the church gathering is to read scripture and fellowship and break bread and serve needs in the body. I don't really know how to categorize the point of strict litergies and highly specific rituals and doing things with church trinkets. Anyway, people like me tend to go wherever the bible is preached well and applied to daily life. Sorta somewhat baptist somewhat reformed somewhat "non-denominational". You don't need special titles and strict codes and rituals and rites and litergy books in order to study God's word. Those things are just helpful for people it seems.
You guys gotta challenge RZ on some of his stuff. The EO were the bulwark of Christianity, and basically was under siege which protected Europe from Islam. Also look up the history of Byzantium and the episode about the imperial republic. It shows how Byzantium had the best govt system as in fairness for regular people
I grew up in Latin America. What you said about Catholics only praying to statues it’s wrong. That’s what the internet says, that is what converts say. But they are huge on the gospels, and I say that as someone who grew up evangelical in Latin America. They are more devoted to Mary because of the lady of Guadalupe. But most of them don’t know how about 90% of the saints of the church . In Latin America evangelicals are super crazy. They do all of the crazy healings and stuff , that is what evangelicals are known for over there 😂
@@Procopius464 that’s a Marian Apparition that occurred in Mexico during colonial times causing mass conversions amongst the natives. As for healings, I don’t know enough to have an opinion
@@Procopius464 Marian Apparitions are a very interesting Catholic phenomenon. They’ve happened in other places as well, such as a very famous one in Fatima, Portugal in 1917
On the Catholic view of predestination: “God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end” (CCC 1037)
God is outside time so His final descision on us is already made. This judgement was made based on if we are in God's Grace or not at the moment of our death, but this just seems like an argument of semantics. Traditionally we Catholics would use the language of predestionation to describe this but it has become less popular since Calvenists use similar language.
@@bobskanal The idea (although I don't agree with it) is that he is subject to time as much as we are, although his omniscience and omnipotence allows him to behave as one outside of time. The reasoning for it is that all of God's free-will decisions must 1. Not be true at one point in time and 2. Be true at another point in time, since that's how decisions work. An example of that is Jesus choosing to heal a blind man because of that man's faith, but this example can be discredited due to Jesus's humanity. For this reason we use God the Father's actions in judgement/covenant towards man.
@@mk4630 The problem is that we say The Son was "born of the Father" but also that he is eternal. Birth implies that there is a time when you did not exist, and yet Jesus is eternal. So maybe that logic can also be applied to decisions (there is no time before God made a decision because he is eternal). Plus, we for us decisions take time because we need to gather information and take time to decide. An all-knowing and all-powerful being would already know everything. So maybe God's judgement for us is not something he "decides" but something he has always known.
Prohibiting marriage to non-Christians is the norm in Catholicism. Catholics are only allowed to marry unbelievers with special permission (dispensation from the normative rule) from the Bishop. Your bishop will evaluate you to make sure that your spouse won’t bring you away from God and His Church.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 As Catholic it's weird for someone to put us behind Methodist but okay..😅 ps: In my eyes we are better than Methodist but they are still strong 😅
As a recent Orthodox convert, I definitely agree you would be more RC than EO. That said, I pray for you to find your way back to the Orthodox tradition eventually. Peace be with you RZ. Hail Christ the Risen King!
Haha, I’m Russian Orthodox so I had to look that up! Christ is risen indeed. Here, since you took time to reply to my comment (again 10/10 creator) here’s a saying to add to your repertoire. Hristos voskrece!
@@Pomni740give up kid, you've posted this exact comment 10000 times, I appreciate you're dedication to your faith, but give it a rest, HE IS NOT MORMON! God bless
What you said about Methodists being more 'doers' and Presbyterians being more 'thinkers' rings true for me. As a Methodist with a deep interest in theology and really understanding and examining my beliefs, I find that a lot of my reading is Presbyterian & Calvinist authors (despite the fact that I'm very much an Arminian). I think the great thing about Methodism *is* that focus on doing though. We're always out there spreading the gospel and doing good in the Kingdom (or at least, we're supposed to be). Methodism was formed on the principle of bringing the most needy back into the church at a time when Anglicanism was failing to reach them. You really do need both, though -- the theological & apologetic prowess, and the practical application of Christianity in the world -- our traditions could learn a lot from each other.
Bro actually said reformed Baptist is a new thing 😂 The Baptist confession of faith was written in 1689 and was initially adopted by the SBC before they got rid of it. We did not appear with MacArthur 😂😁
@@auggieeasteregg2150 I think he more just strongly dislikes Baptists so he throws us reformed baptists out the window with him. Based on his videos, he’s never seriously grappled with 1689 baptists. Avoids talking about us entirely
Interesting to note that John Wesley himself technically remained a loyal Anglican in good standing his whole life, though it wasn't easy. It was Wesley's followers who truly started the Methodist Church.
Him last week: I’m so convicted about being mean online. 😢 I’ll never do it again. Him a few days later: Methodists are just baptists who can read 19:33 SO MUCH PROGRESS 😍
I completely agree with your take on Methodists being consistently more similar to Presbyterians due to things like pardobaptism and the like. However, the Particular Baptists are very similar to Presbyterians in a lot of ways. They affirmed spiritual presence in the Eucharist and a view of Baptism that is higher than just symbolic (it's not as strong as Presbyterians, but it's definitely not seen as merely a symbol). Major differences between the Particular Baptists (who were the majority early in Baptist history) and Presbyterians were in regards to church polity and the debate regarding infant baptism. I know you like Gavin Ortlund, so I think you would find his videos on the subject interesting. Love your videos as a Reformed Baptist!
@@chillmemes5865 it is a word used in countless book discussing the topic, it's the word used in academia. The contrary of pedobaptism is credobaptism, i.e. believer's baptism.
@@sulamy1955 Nem tanto Sulamy. A mailine tem mais de 700k de.membros e se for somar com as outras formas de Presbiterianismo então somos cerca de um milhão. Mas realmente tem muito mais pentecostais, batistas não denominacianais no protestantismo brasileiro, mas somos um dos grupos que mais vem crescendo.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Believe it or not, I actually holds to the real spiritual presence view of the Lord's Supper and the PCA church I go to (which is the one closest to my college) also believes in Real Presence of the Lord's Supper. As for infant baptism, that's the one that I am not too sure about (but I think my church would definitely reject baptismal regeneration).
16:00 I'm a Catholic from Argentina and I don't really agree. I don't think this can be blamed on the Church not making enough of an effort to spread the Gospel, it does, and the Gospel is read at every mass. Plus, you began saying you would judge a denomination by its "traditional version", not its liberal version. Folk catholicism is not an accepted form of Catholicism, but the effect of being unable to fully erase Native American paganism.
Not every bigot, ever truly abandons bigotry...took some obscure people with exposure to Catholicism and holding on to their other beliefs and decided that's Catholicism despite having said he's evaluating the traditional belief
@@CorvusLeukosThis is more in Mexico, but "Santa Muerte" or "Saint Death." It's a pagan syncretic belief in a figure who is treated and viewed like a pagan goddess rather than a normal saint by her believers, even though they dress it in Catholic aesthetics of Saint statues and *claim* it's Catholic. The mainstream Catholic church has tried and continues to crack down on it, but it survives underground because the Cartels love Santa Muerte.
Genuine question since you mentioned Catholicism in Poland being about the worship of statues rather than the teachings of the gospel and I want to know where this perspective comes from since I've personally been really satisfied with the church, and it's teaching ever since I've become a Christian in this country
I’m intrigued too. I’m in the US, but from what I understand the order of the mass is universal, and it ALWAYS includes several readings from the Bible and one from the Gospel, so I’m not sure where the idea that Catholics just light candles to saints comes from.
@@HeatherFonseca As Bishop Fulton Sheen once said. Only a hundred souls on earth hate the Catholic Church, but millions of souls hate what they believe is the Catholic Church. It’s not necessarily the fault of Protestants that they believe what they do.
@@HeatherFonseca Even at the Latin Mass, the priest nearly always reads the epistle and gospel for the day in the vernacular before preaching his sermon.
Redeemed zoomer, I am a southern Baptist, and am currently a student of Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. I’m a long time viewer of your channel as well. I really admire you, and your dedication and attention to detail and have come to love your content. I have learned much from you about other denominations outside of Baptist. However, I wish you did have more love for Baptists than you at least appear to on the surface. Speaking for myself as a southern Baptist, I usually find myself in agreement with most of what you say, as Presbyterian. In fact because of my admiration and respect for you, I’ve said I’d be Presbyterian if I weren’t Baptist. Theologically, I agree with you more often than not. The only areas I have to agree to disagree with you about primarily is Baptism, and maybe certain things with communion and sacraments. I’m not sure which Baptists you’ve met and interacted with or which Baptist churches you’ve attended? But I find myself often wishing I could show you my church. I’ve often thought you’d at least appreciate our message and where we stand theologically. However you are correct in that we do distance ourselves from Catholicism as much as possible, I’d have to agree with that. Nevertheless, I have a great deal of respect for Presbyterians because of you and your channel.
Hey, thanks for the respectful comment, but I do feel like the Baptist-Presbyterian relationship is a lot like the Presbyterian-Lutheran relationship. Presby: we're similar to Lutherans Lutherans: no you're not Baptist: we're similar to Presby Presby: no you're not We think the sacraments are an essential to the Reformed tradition so if you disagree with us on it you can't be Reformed
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Fair enough. I do stand by that Baptism should be by immersion and that we shouldn’t Baptist infants. I do stand by that it should be a personal choice of each individual, as a public declaration of their faith in Jesus. Being Baptized because they are saved, not to become saved. I do feel that Biblically speaking, Baptism and Communion are the only sacraments needed. I also stand by the belief that the bread and wine/grape juice, are symbolic only of the body and blood of Christ, and that we are doing this in remembrance of Him, until He returns as He commanded. But throughout all of your videos, I find myself in almost complete agreement with you on your interpretation of scripture and what it means to be Christian and what that looks like. Even if we differ on church tradition, I know your content well enough to know how intelligent and knowledgeable you are, and that you have been born again of the Son of God, and I know that and believe that with all my heart that you are a true believer in Christ. If we are not necessarily brothers in Christ due to differing denominations, then we certainly are at least cousins in Christ. And I’d certainly like to go on watching your content. I find it fascinating.
@@benjaminstanley4364 Why do you see communion as only symbolic? I don’t understand why that is, “just reading the Bible” should have the opposite effect on that view.
@@Bible43If it isn’t symbolic and is the real flesh and blood of Christ, then it means those consuming it are cannibals. This is the problem when people claim it is quite literally his flesh and blood. If cannibalism is now okay under Christianity, can Christians eat dead people? The belief of it being real leads to these absurdities
“Reformed Baptists” were known as Particular Baptists. They have a similar Sacramentology and Covenant theology to Presbyterians and Congregationalists. Their beliefs are outlined in the 1689 2nd London Baptist Confession of Faith.
The word of God should be an ultimate authority of any church, not a tradition, not a church history or whatever. And that’s why my heart stand firm with the Baptist church.
As an Anglican I’m always happy with faith dialogue between denominations. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ and that is far more unifying than what divides us. God bless you all ✝️🤝🏻☦️🤝🏻🇻🇦
@@scharlesscalvin to be “Protestant” your church has to be out of the “Protestant Reformation” area the SDA came from the “Great Restoration” some 200 years later. Also Protestant churches agree to the Nicene Creed, which SDA do not. Calling yourself Protestant doesn’t make it true.
Best Part about being Moravian is that we're such a small denomination No one ever bashes us LOL. Which honestly baffles me we're not talked about more considering we're descendants of the Hussites who absolutely wrecked the Roman Catholic Crusaders.
I appreciate your discourse on predestination. As a catholic, I've been accused of being calvinist for simply pointing out that God is omnipotent and all powerful, that God supercedes time and space, and that nothing happens unless he allows it to happen.
I really appreciate when people answer this because it's so helpful to know if one ever had to unexpectedly move, what the next best churches to go to might be if our preferred denomination wasn't there by chance.
@MermaidMonarchist problem with that theory is that neither religion believes in a sola scriptura theology. Sola scriptura was a de novo method of interpreting scripture at the time
@@Procopius464couldn’t agree more, especially since I’ve still been trying to read where I’m the Bible it says to baptize babies. Last I checked it was a decision one consciously made.
@@JhonnyL3002 I actually am in a church that baptizes babies. There are some places in the Bible where whole households get baptized at once, so that is the main justification for it. I get that Zoomer doesn't want to go to a Baptist church, but since he believes in theistic evolution he ought to dial back his criticism. There's no wiggle room in Genesis, so who is it that's not reading?
As a Redeemed Zoomer fan and Baptist who is hyperfixated on being scholarly about my own theology, there is nothing more hilarious than seeing Zoomer totally dunk on us every single video, because he's usually right hahaha💙
After watching a bit of Redeemed Zoomer's content I think this video makes sense. I do enjoy these videos. I'm a Pentecostal from Canada and both Methodist and Anglican would be in my top two as well.
@@fernandoperez8587 I believe that Jesus is present and working during communion. I don't believe that water baptism saves. I believe that when a person turns to Christ in repentance and believes in Christ then that person is saved and is baptized with the holy Spirit. Water baptism should follow soon in the new believer's life. Here I disagree with Redeemed Zoomer and Anglicans and probably Methodists. I am more like a Baptist in this way.
@@IsGul_Davos I encourage you to read up on what scripture says about water baptism. It is not a work we do but something done to us by God through His church. Even in scripture the command and description of baptism is in the passive voice "be baptized." Ultimately though salvation is a process with the Triune God. Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. - Hebrews 6:1-2 Here we find an order of salvation starting with repentance and faith and ending in resurrection and final judgment. Salvation is a process. First is repentance and faith which is directed to God (the Father). Then baptism, in the name of the Triune God, follows placing us into Christ (in whom is the promises). Then lastly is the laying on of hands to receive the Spirit of God which makes us children of God. We are made God's temple by first appealing to God in repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Then in baptism we receive the forgiveness of sins to be consecrated for God's presence to come in and dwell. This then happens when hands are laid on us and we receive God's presence, His Spirit. Just like Moses had to first make atonement and consecrate all instruments of worship and the sanctuary with blood and water for God to dwell with them so we too must do so in baptism and the laying on hands. It's a process.
@@IsGul_Davos Consider this: Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. - Hebrews 6:1-2 Here we find an order of salvation starting with repentance and faith and ending in resurrection and final judgment. Ultimately though salvation is a relational process with the Triune God. First is repentance and faith which is directed to God (the Father). Then baptism, in the name of the Triune God, follows placing us into Christ (in whom is the promises). Then lastly is the laying on of hands to receive the Spirit of God which makes us children of God. We are made God's temple by first appealing to God in repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Then in baptism we receive the forgiveness of sins to be consecrated for God's presence to come in and dwell. This then happens when hands are laid on us and we receive God's presence, His Spirit. Just like Moses had to first make atonement and consecrate all instruments of worship and the sanctuary with blood and water for God to dwell with them so we too must do so in baptism and the laying on hands. It's a process. Also water baptism is not a work we do but something done to us by God through His church. Even in scripture the command and description of baptism is in the passive voice "be baptized."
@@IsGul_Davos Consider the following: Therefore, having left the beginning teaching of the Christ, we should go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. - Hebrews 6:1-2 Here we find an order of salvation starting with repentance and faith and ending in resurrection and final judgment. Salvation is a relational process with the Triune God in which we are made God's temple. First is repentance and faith which is directed to God (the Father). Then baptism, in the name of the Triune God, which places us into Christ causing us to receive the forgiveness of our sins (Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Ephesians 5:26). Then lastly is the laying on of hands to receive God's presence, His Spirit which dwells within us making us children of God. Similarly Moses had to first make atonement and consecrate all instruments of worship and the sanctuary with blood and water for God presence to dwell with them. All this process is done and accessed by faith. Water baptism is not a work we do but something done to us by God through His church. Even in scripture the command and description of baptism is in the passive voice "be baptized."
@ReformationHomested not really, when many Baptist form off from the main Baptist conventions they really don't change. Also the Independent fundamentalist Baptists are basically just non-denominational Christians who are just honest in saying their Baptists
Loved it! It's the most catholic-without-being-catholic choice possible! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Btw, I'm catholic, and I've never felt offended by any of your commentary... On the very contrary, I learned a great deal from your videos. Thanks! :)
As a reformed Baptist, attending a Presbyterian and about to try out the Wesleyan Methodist, this was really interesting and timely. "Much nicer people" is what I'm looking for.
16:10 I thought he had a point about the pitfalls of Catholicism, until he said "praying to statues." Just common Prot slander. If you are a solider and you are in a fox hole and you kiss a picture of your wife, does that mean you love that picture, or is it your wife that you love?
Heads up, according to US copyright law your creative works are copyright by default. You may want to consider providing a clear and explicit grant to the public domain. My father, who has the exact attitude you do, puts a public domain icon and "I grant this work to the public domain" at the bottom of each of his theological articles on his website.
Copyright is not an issue unless Zoomer decides to sue you. It is purely defensive in nature at least in the US. He did say his denomination seals are not copyrighted in the video, though whether that counts a valid disclaimer or not, he won't sue you over it. You can use it just like how copyrighted stuff appears in almost every video on youtube. Though of course, making it formal may prevent issues no matter how unlikely they will occur.
These videos help a non denominational like me sm fr because it’s so hard finding info on all denominations and which have what beliefs hoping soon I’ll find a denomination that will align w my beliefs the most soon 🙏
In the town where I go to church there is a church that was originally Methodist / presbyterian united. The two other churches (Anglican and Lutheran) are built directly next to one another back in the mid 1800’s. Originally when settlers came to that area (it’s a bay and the churches face the bay itself) there were 4 denominations that all attended 1 church. Then in 1925 there was a Presbyterian church built a 5 minute walk away from the 3 churches & was sold in 1966 to the Pentecostals. & that’s where I go to church now! Eventually the neighbouring house was connected to the church so we have a casual home vibe and the more traditional church vibe with the Presbyterian architecture. And unlike the other 3 churches who have become progressive we are more conservative! I am very appreciative of the traditional vibes when we are actually having worship & services. Thought it was an interesting history! If you want to see some beautiful photos of churches Google “the 3 churches mahone bay”
@jonandrescu686 I recently had a religious experience at a very low moment and I'm still looking into christian denominations. For me, orthodox seems to be the best but I still have a lot to learn so I haven't committed yet. I have personal faith because of my experience but no church yet.
What I have often seen, is the steps typically go from covenantal theology in conservative Presbyterianism to sometimes Federal Vision theology to Reformed Anglicanism to Anglo-Catholicism [for those who are really fighting against conversion] and then finally to properly understood Catholicism.
From Baptist it goes from free will Baptist to reformed Baptist and then the same as above. Methodist I've seen go Anglican to Catholic and Lutheran often straight to Catholic. Some lately since the E.O. have been so online completely jump from the West to E.O. I don't know any of the O.O. ever changing and the Assyrians are so few. Sometimes E.O. go to Catholicism, sometimes the inverse. Anyways, no one asked, but just sharing conversion trends from my own observations.
Reformed baptists are reformed. and although the term reformed baptist came in at a later time there was still the 1689 London Baptist confession of faith and it is an exact copy of the Westminster confession except for minor differences and in infant baptism. those are the beliefs I hold and people who are reformed simply because of predestination are not reformed and in my opinion predestination is the worst of the reformed views.
Did you know...majority of the Presbyterians in India, especially the Presbyterian Church of Mizoram and Meghalaya are from the Welsh Calvinistic-Methodists tradition of George Whitfield. Most Presbyterians in north east India are Calvinistic in theology, Methodist in practice and uniquely charismatic in worship.
Update: Future Mrs Zoomer did this bracket and she got Lutheran due to her Midwestern Lutheran heritage and veneration of Bach (also my video is not getting dislike-bombed, the return dislike extension is not accurate)
My family is Lutheran too
I think somebody is bot-disliking your vids
0:48 But congregationalists deny the presybterian form of church governance, don't they???
@@geochonker9052no. The return dislike extension is not accurate
@@Pomni740Why would he? If it’s so non-contradictory to the Bible as Mormons claim, why do we need to?
I’m gonna call it and say he’s NOT gonna say Three Self Patriotic Movement
I feel like he might, though
He shouldn't knock it until he tries it. I feel English speaking Christians are so prejudice against the Three Self Patriotic Movement.
I got that on the denomination test lol
Or Calvary Chapel
Ah yes, the one true church,
Beijing is the fourth Rome,
“Anglo Catholics are basically like Catholics but more likely to be gay”
Why did I laugh at this 💀
Real 💀💀
Bruh so true 😂
Cuz it’s true
It's bc if they weren't gay then they'd be Catholic
They are like 'Catholics', but without submitting to Rome, which is like the basis of Catholicism
“You have to wait your turn for me to say something offensive about you.”
Me, a Baptist: Don’t worry bro, you offend us almost every video.
I'm not offended by his ignorance, just annoyed that he refuses to correct it 🤷🏼♀️
Once again, Reformed Baptists, particularly Covenental Reformed Baptists, believe *almost identical things* to Presbyterians regarding soteriology, ordinances, and covenental theology. We just believe that the birth of the new covenant is the new birth by the Spirit. And yes, the term "Reformed Baptist" is newer, but it's hardly a new concept.
I'm in this camp too. And like he doesn't even acknowledge ANY of the Baptist contributions to music either... Like almost all the roots of American country music was footed by Baptist musicians and singers... Starting to think he's got a hatred for Baptists just because he wants to... He hides behind "the differences" of presby and bapst but truth is there ain't too much different when you look at the bigger picture..
@@grammaurai6843 It was "particular Baptists" before 1960-1980 until you guys decided to hijack the name of another protestant tradition and pretend you were just a congregational version of it (we already had the Congregationalists).
Besides that, your view on Baptism is very different and as far as i know your Covenant Theology is also different.
I'm saying that for the sake of what i believe is intellectual honesty, but Reformed Baptist preachers had a great impact on me especially when i was converting and i believe their association with Presbyterians actually helped PCA and other Presbyterian churches remain theologically conservative.
@@jeremykoeppe7949 it's subconscious. The relationship between RBs and Presbyterians is like that of Lutherans and Presbyterians. We're cool with them, they dislike us, often for things we don't even believe.
@@grammaurai6843not true
Just watched this. Can't believe he has chosen Mormons!
Shhhh
@@redeemedzoomer6053 this deserves pinned comment
😂😂
I hope not because they’re not Christian! I haven’t watched the full video though.
@@Pomni740they are heretics, they believe that the father, the son and the holy spirit are three seperate gods
“Some Methodists are just Baptists who can read.”
Bro I’m wheezing 😂
Paul Washer quote
Methodists are baptists who can read
Presbyterians are Methodists with Money
Anglicans are Presbyterians who print the money
It's actually a much older quote.
As a Methodist who used to be a Baptist I was dying
I love baptists though. They’re awesome
Former Baptist here, also. I LOLed.😄😉💗
probably the Three Self Patriotic Movement.
He forgot to add it to the chart didn’t he?
This is gonna be a meme now
@@Michiganman800 not really a meme when there is one true church
the one true church
What even is the three person self patriotic movement?
If he weren't presbyterian CLEARLY he would be a Sagittarius.
I like ur Prussian country ball pfp
@@JoachimSchwerkelburg-mo3ey
Thx! I got it cuz I play Empire Total War a lot :)
Country balls are cool
@@Yxunz_Exists
So are you :)
Thanks :)
Catholic Zoomer is too beautiful to be real
mad respect for Catholicism, but my heart is Presbyterian
@@redeemedzoomer6053 noooo! no respect for the papacy! so many don't believe in justification by faith! many led astray. we need to face this for the sake of preaching the Gospel!
@@redeemedzoomer6053 in my case, my heart may be Lutheran, but my mind is Presbyterian
@@sheeniebeanie2597 I said respect not approval
@@sheeniebeanie2597they do affirm justification by faith
I cannot believe he chose the Three Self Patriotic Movement as what he would be
Obviously EO. Redeemed Zoomer is gonna start spam-generating trad orthobro edits with hardcore phonk music and gigachad music layered over them.
dude has a really serious beef with eastern orthodoxy
Truth pills are hard to swallow. Every post catho protestant was a product of the abuse of the Catholic Church. Hard to predict protestants existing had the catholics not continue to drive wedges between folks. @Raxel501
@@Raxel501naw i think it's a healthy criticism of the orthodox bro larpers but not beef with actual orthodox
@@heidehho6191except that can be applied to any denomination’s worse elements lol
RZ doesn’t jump online to shoot some potshots at Coptics or Methodists or even Non Denominationals every week lmao
@@obiwankenobi6871 I agree that you'll get that in any denomination for sure. 🙌
"You have to wait your turn to be offended by me"
Baptists - Nah, we really don't lol
As a former Baptist turned Catholic I'm double offended
PerturaboIW
You went from Based to cringe.
@@PerturaboIWthat’s wild. I’ll never become a Catholic. Respect them? Of course. Think I’m eating Jesus’ literal body and blood and priests can’t be married? No way.
Bro is REACHING to find a way to hate on Baptists
(Forgot the B)
Instructions not clear, RZ became JW
💀💀
NOOOO, WE COMEPLETELY LOST HIM (Said by an ex-JW)
Heresy
He already wa- oh, wait, those are initials.
I feel like anglican is the canonical second choice for everyone
Cuzz Anglican is just any denomination but with bishops
I tried the denomination test and yeah I got Anglican for second.
Exactly. You can kind of pick and choose what you want to be as Anglican.
For a protestant, maybe. I doubt I faithful Catholic or Orthodox could ever be a protestant
The reason almost anybody could be Anglican is because they shy away from taking super hard line positions on miniscule topics. They don't force people to belive tiny little obscure factoids about what 2 words mean in some obscure scripture most Christians have never read before.
This means two things; one is that there seems to be many things Anglicans can believe without loosing the church. People can actually disagree on little things without a forced conformity on every little topic. Secondly, I think it may be the 3rd largest church in the world, or third largest Christian church? Meaning, it has that "old" faith feel, there is a presence in most places where churches can be planted, and it has a decent balance between the high church RC system and the reformed "but scripture is actually the highest authority" protestant. Anglicans themselves may fight about whether they should be described as protestant and/or reformed etc.
I rather like the idea of not making grand universal sweeping hard judgments on every tiny thing. When a church does this, it ipso facto excludes everyone who isn't sure. Forcing them to either bow at the feet of church authority, or feel like they are a bad Christian in some way for not agreeing with the church. You don't want a church that, every 10 minutes, proclaims some new thing you MUST believe in order to remain part of that church.
I'm not personally a "high church" type because I think too much weight is placed on things like symbols and litergy and icons and rituals and it tends to feel borderline idolotrous at times. We aren't "earning" anything by doing all these rituals, it doesn't make us more Christian or more favored or anything. The heart of the church is to spread the gospel and serve people. The heart of the church gathering is to read scripture and fellowship and break bread and serve needs in the body. I don't really know how to categorize the point of strict litergies and highly specific rituals and doing things with church trinkets.
Anyway, people like me tend to go wherever the bible is preached well and applied to daily life. Sorta somewhat baptist somewhat reformed somewhat "non-denominational". You don't need special titles and strict codes and rituals and rites and litergy books in order to study God's word. Those things are just helpful for people it seems.
“There was no mighty Lutheran empire”
*The Swedish and German Empires have entered the chat*
He said mighty lol
having to formally apologize for Luther's self-published hatred of Jews may be a disqualifying factor for some
First fight and we're already out of the bracket 😭
We still love you bro ☦️
Thanks bro
He does not like the idea of free will.
- A Baptist.
@@Pomni740the challenge is among Christians. 🤷🙃
You guys gotta challenge RZ on some of his stuff. The EO were the bulwark of Christianity, and basically was under siege which protected Europe from Islam. Also look up the history of Byzantium and the episode about the imperial republic. It shows how Byzantium had the best govt system as in fairness for regular people
We hate heresy
I grew up in Latin America. What you said about Catholics only praying to statues it’s wrong. That’s what the internet says, that is what converts say. But they are huge on the gospels, and I say that as someone who grew up evangelical in Latin America. They are more devoted to Mary because of the lady of Guadalupe. But most of them don’t know how about 90% of the saints of the church . In Latin America evangelicals are super crazy. They do all of the crazy healings and stuff , that is what evangelicals are known for over there 😂
As an American Catholic living in a predominantly Evangelical area, I feel your pain
I have two questions: 1) what is the "lady of Guadalupe," and 2) are there any actual healings being done, or is this just hearsay?
@@Procopius464 that’s a Marian Apparition that occurred in Mexico during colonial times causing mass conversions amongst the natives. As for healings, I don’t know enough to have an opinion
@@sharkinator7819 OK, I haven't heard of that before. Mexico is a strange place.
@@Procopius464 Marian Apparitions are a very interesting Catholic phenomenon. They’ve happened in other places as well, such as a very famous one in Fatima, Portugal in 1917
Lutheran is my prediction.
No definitely wrong he is going to be the three self patriotic movement.
On the Catholic view of predestination: “God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end” (CCC 1037)
God is outside time so His final descision on us is already made. This judgement was made based on if we are in God's Grace or not at the moment of our death, but this just seems like an argument of semantics. Traditionally we Catholics would use the language of predestionation to describe this but it has become less popular since Calvenists use similar language.
@SancteCuthberteOraProNobis it's actually debatable if God is outside of time.
@@mk4630 he could voluntarily restrict himself. But I am not sure on what to
@@bobskanal The idea (although I don't agree with it) is that he is subject to time as much as we are, although his omniscience and omnipotence allows him to behave as one outside of time. The reasoning for it is that all of God's free-will decisions must 1. Not be true at one point in time and 2. Be true at another point in time, since that's how decisions work. An example of that is Jesus choosing to heal a blind man because of that man's faith, but this example can be discredited due to Jesus's humanity. For this reason we use God the Father's actions in judgement/covenant towards man.
@@mk4630 The problem is that we say The Son was "born of the Father" but also that he is eternal. Birth implies that there is a time when you did not exist, and yet Jesus is eternal. So maybe that logic can also be applied to decisions (there is no time before God made a decision because he is eternal). Plus, we for us decisions take time because we need to gather information and take time to decide. An all-knowing and all-powerful being would already know everything. So maybe God's judgement for us is not something he "decides" but something he has always known.
Probably Anglican.
not even a downgrade, just a new paint job.
Prohibiting marriage to non-Christians is the norm in Catholicism. Catholics are only allowed to marry unbelievers with special permission (dispensation from the normative rule) from the Bishop. Your bishop will evaluate you to make sure that your spouse won’t bring you away from God and His Church.
Love RZ
Ave Christus Rex ✝️☦️
Hail Christ. Amen
@@redeemedzoomer6053 As Catholic it's weird for someone to put us behind Methodist but okay..😅 ps: In my eyes we are better than Methodist but they are still strong 😅
Why would he, he's Christian, not Mormon? @@Pomni740
Agreed, I’m Dutch reformed and would have chosen Catholic over Methodist
@@Christislord33yeah, chosing methodist over the Church of Christ is absolutely ridiculous. But then again, so is choosing calvinism
Christ is risen!☦️
Indeed he is risen ☦️
Indeed he is risen!
Christ has risen *
Christ is Risen Indeed.
@@raygengarratt7220Christ is risen*
When I heard “syncretism with pagan beliefs”, I really felt that (Filipino catholic here)
As a recent Orthodox convert, I definitely agree you would be more RC than EO. That said, I pray for you to find your way back to the Orthodox tradition eventually. Peace be with you RZ. Hail Christ the Risen King!
bruh
Praying to make people change denomination? Kinda lame to be honest.
@@realshaiwit’s not if he believes he belongs to the one true church. Just like Christians pray for a Muslim or Hindu.
@@sweetxjc We are talking about different denominations though, not completely different religions.
@@realshaiw Eastern Orthodox Christians believe there is no salvation outside their Church.
Hey man! Orthodox here just wanted to say I really love your videos!
God bless! Christos Anesti
Haha, I’m Russian Orthodox so I had to look that up! Christ is risen indeed.
Here, since you took time to reply to my comment (again 10/10 creator) here’s a saying to add to your repertoire. Hristos voskrece!
@@Pomni740It’s a heretical book
@@Pomni740give up kid, you've posted this exact comment 10000 times, I appreciate you're dedication to your faith, but give it a rest, HE IS NOT MORMON! God bless
@@user-kb2md4ez9dit's even worse, in previous videos he commented that Christ never existed
"Baptists who can read." Bruh.
Bro fr 😭
Based
Day 397, still don’t read where infant baptism is allowed
@@themilkman369 ???
@@arminthegreat3729 just messing with non baptists lol
What you said about Methodists being more 'doers' and Presbyterians being more 'thinkers' rings true for me. As a Methodist with a deep interest in theology and really understanding and examining my beliefs, I find that a lot of my reading is Presbyterian & Calvinist authors (despite the fact that I'm very much an Arminian).
I think the great thing about Methodism *is* that focus on doing though. We're always out there spreading the gospel and doing good in the Kingdom (or at least, we're supposed to be). Methodism was formed on the principle of bringing the most needy back into the church at a time when Anglicanism was failing to reach them.
You really do need both, though -- the theological & apologetic prowess, and the practical application of Christianity in the world -- our traditions could learn a lot from each other.
“This all belongs to the Lord”
God bless you, brother, and give fruit to your work!
“Other Methodists are just Baptists who can read.” 😭😭😭
They don’t worship statues in Poland…
Och really? Next time you'll tell me that my compatriots do not worship paintings too?
RZ doesn't know the meaning of veneration. He's a typical ignorant prot.
@@patrice161 huh?
@@deus_v00lt38 what I said, poles worship paintings and statues as if they were some kind of fetishes
@@patrice161 there is no worship/adoration/latia of any statues or paintings in Polish Catholicism.
I'm betting all on Three Self Patriotic Movement
Bro actually said reformed Baptist is a new thing 😂
The Baptist confession of faith was written in 1689 and was initially adopted by the SBC before they got rid of it. We did not appear with MacArthur 😂😁
He got confused because Reformed Baptists used to be called Particular Baptists
@@auggieeasteregg2150 I think he more just strongly dislikes Baptists so he throws us reformed baptists out the window with him. Based on his videos, he’s never seriously grappled with 1689 baptists. Avoids talking about us entirely
Interesting to note that John Wesley himself technically remained a loyal Anglican in good standing his whole life, though it wasn't easy. It was Wesley's followers who truly started the Methodist Church.
Didn't even click on the video and called it
Anglican!
No Three Self Patriotic Movement?
Him last week: I’m so convicted about being mean online. 😢 I’ll never do it again.
Him a few days later: Methodists are just baptists who can read 19:33
SO MUCH PROGRESS 😍
Aight it BETTER be Anglican or we gonna have to have another stream 🗿
Pls do another callable with rz
Hes an ordained anglican marine!
Anglican is gay. Its looks like Catholicism, but without the most important parts
See you at church tomorrow boys
SIR YES SIR
I completely agree with your take on Methodists being consistently more similar to Presbyterians due to things like pardobaptism and the like. However, the Particular Baptists are very similar to Presbyterians in a lot of ways. They affirmed spiritual presence in the Eucharist and a view of Baptism that is higher than just symbolic (it's not as strong as Presbyterians, but it's definitely not seen as merely a symbol). Major differences between the Particular Baptists (who were the majority early in Baptist history) and Presbyterians were in regards to church polity and the debate regarding infant baptism. I know you like Gavin Ortlund, so I think you would find his videos on the subject interesting. Love your videos as a Reformed Baptist!
where's the Three Self Patriotic Movement? i was waiting for it...
“If I were not a Boy Scout, a Boy Scout, a Boy Scout-If I were not a Boy Scout an Anglican I would be!”
LMAO this sends me back
We are all saved through Jesus Christ. ☦️✝️
When's the "Why I'm not Three Self Patriotic" ?
I honestly can't believe neither catholicism nor lutheranism won
As he said, Anglicanism can be just calvinism with bishops kkkk and they had a great impact on the world
I'm a reformed baptist, if I wasn't I would be Presbyterian.
My main disagreements are pedobaptism and church polity.
what does pedobaptism mean?
@@iggy9226Infant baptism
I don’t think pedobaptism is a word. It has different implications so I would encourage you to not use it 😂
@@chillmemes5865 it is a word used in countless book discussing the topic, it's the word used in academia. The contrary of pedobaptism is credobaptism, i.e. believer's baptism.
@@chillmemes5865 paedobaptism is the more common spelling, and yes infant baptism is way more common.
Say what you want.
We are all brothers and sisters in Christ.
We should all act like it
Amen, brother!
As a mainline brazilian Presbyterian i could not agree more with you.
O número de brasileiros nesse canal é brincadeira kkkkkkkk
Presbiteriano aqui é raro hein bro, abraços da igreja católica
@@sulamy1955verdade
@@sulamy1955 Nem tanto Sulamy. A mailine tem mais de 700k de.membros e se for somar com as outras formas de Presbiterianismo então somos cerca de um milhão. Mas realmente tem muito mais pentecostais, batistas não denominacianais no protestantismo brasileiro, mas somos um dos grupos que mais vem crescendo.
Was I the only Catholic that stayed and hoped to see if he'd choose Anglican as an alternative?
No 🫡
If I weren't Presbyterian (right now I am PCA), then I would be a 1689 Reformed Baptist (similar views with Voddie Baucham).
Yes cuz the PCA is Presbapterian
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Believe it or not, I actually holds to the real spiritual presence view of the Lord's Supper and the PCA church I go to (which is the one closest to my college) also believes in Real Presence of the Lord's Supper. As for infant baptism, that's the one that I am not too sure about (but I think my church would definitely reject baptismal regeneration).
@@haydenyuan4720 ur Presbapterian if not baptist
@@redeemedzoomer6053 "presbapterian" sound like some type of bacteria xD
I've been non-denominational my whole life and am going to an Anglican church for the first time next week. Wish me luck!
16:00 I'm a Catholic from Argentina and I don't really agree. I don't think this can be blamed on the Church not making enough of an effort to spread the Gospel, it does, and the Gospel is read at every mass. Plus, you began saying you would judge a denomination by its "traditional version", not its liberal version. Folk catholicism is not an accepted form of Catholicism, but the effect of being unable to fully erase Native American paganism.
Amen ✝️
Not every bigot, ever truly abandons bigotry...took some obscure people with exposure to Catholicism and holding on to their other beliefs and decided that's Catholicism despite having said he's evaluating the traditional belief
What kind of Native American paganism is still present in folk Catholicism over there? Could you give an example?
@@CorvusLeukosThis is more in Mexico, but "Santa Muerte" or "Saint Death." It's a pagan syncretic belief in a figure who is treated and viewed like a pagan goddess rather than a normal saint by her believers, even though they dress it in Catholic aesthetics of Saint statues and *claim* it's Catholic. The mainstream Catholic church has tried and continues to crack down on it, but it survives underground because the Cartels love Santa Muerte.
"John Wesley was calvinist" - uh what?
Genuine question since you mentioned Catholicism in Poland being about the worship of statues rather than the teachings of the gospel and I want to know where this perspective comes from since I've personally been really satisfied with the church, and it's teaching ever since I've become a Christian in this country
I’m intrigued too. I’m in the US, but from what I understand the order of the mass is universal, and it ALWAYS includes several readings from the Bible and one from the Gospel, so I’m not sure where the idea that Catholics just light candles to saints comes from.
@@HeatherFonseca
As Bishop Fulton Sheen once said. Only a hundred souls on earth hate the Catholic Church, but millions of souls hate what they believe is the Catholic Church.
It’s not necessarily the fault of Protestants that they believe what they do.
Me too. I want to move to Poland because they're so badass in their Catholicism.
@@HeatherFonseca Even at the Latin Mass, the priest nearly always reads the epistle and gospel for the day in the vernacular before preaching his sermon.
No bigot, even those who pretend to be open, ever really abandons their bigotry
Redeemed zoomer, I am a southern Baptist, and am currently a student of Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. I’m a long time viewer of your channel as well. I really admire you, and your dedication and attention to detail and have come to love your content. I have learned much from you about other denominations outside of Baptist. However, I wish you did have more love for Baptists than you at least appear to on the surface. Speaking for myself as a southern Baptist, I usually find myself in agreement with most of what you say, as Presbyterian. In fact because of my admiration and respect for you, I’ve said I’d be Presbyterian if I weren’t Baptist. Theologically, I agree with you more often than not. The only areas I have to agree to disagree with you about primarily is Baptism, and maybe certain things with communion and sacraments. I’m not sure which Baptists you’ve met and interacted with or which Baptist churches you’ve attended? But I find myself often wishing I could show you my church. I’ve often thought you’d at least appreciate our message and where we stand theologically. However you are correct in that we do distance ourselves from Catholicism as much as possible, I’d have to agree with that. Nevertheless, I have a great deal of respect for Presbyterians because of you and your channel.
Hey, thanks for the respectful comment, but I do feel like the Baptist-Presbyterian relationship is a lot like the Presbyterian-Lutheran relationship.
Presby: we're similar to Lutherans
Lutherans: no you're not
Baptist: we're similar to Presby
Presby: no you're not
We think the sacraments are an essential to the Reformed tradition so if you disagree with us on it you can't be Reformed
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Fair enough. I do stand by that Baptism should be by immersion and that we shouldn’t Baptist infants. I do stand by that it should be a personal choice of each individual, as a public declaration of their faith in Jesus. Being Baptized because they are saved, not to become saved. I do feel that Biblically speaking, Baptism and Communion are the only sacraments needed. I also stand by the belief that the bread and wine/grape juice, are symbolic only of the body and blood of Christ, and that we are doing this in remembrance of Him, until He returns as He commanded. But throughout all of your videos, I find myself in almost complete agreement with you on your interpretation of scripture and what it means to be Christian and what that looks like. Even if we differ on church tradition, I know your content well enough to know how intelligent and knowledgeable you are, and that you have been born again of the Son of God, and I know that and believe that with all my heart that you are a true believer in Christ. If we are not necessarily brothers in Christ due to differing denominations, then we certainly are at least cousins in Christ. And I’d certainly like to go on watching your content. I find it fascinating.
@@benjaminstanley4364
Why do you see communion as only symbolic?
I don’t understand why that is, “just reading the Bible” should have the opposite effect on that view.
@@Bible43If it isn’t symbolic and is the real flesh and blood of Christ, then it means those consuming it are cannibals. This is the problem when people claim it is quite literally his flesh and blood. If cannibalism is now okay under Christianity, can Christians eat dead people? The belief of it being real leads to these absurdities
@@HighCarbDiabeticVwhen protestants resort to first century pagan smears… you love to see it folks😊
Zoomer I am PRAYING you become Catholic. I want you to know that. Please look into it. Please be open. Please pray.
God bless you.
based
Baptists that can read is INSANE
“Reformed Baptists” were known as Particular Baptists. They have a similar Sacramentology and Covenant theology to Presbyterians and Congregationalists. Their beliefs are outlined in the 1689 2nd London Baptist Confession of Faith.
“If you’re an Anglo-Catholic why not be Catholic” is such an American thing to say 🤦
Absolutely.
We still have some reformation beliefs.
Well, it’s a newer development when you study the history. Anglican’s were simply reformed in their soteriology.
Im an ex Anglo-Catholic. Join the Ordinariate, come home like St Newman.
@@King-uj1lh Based advice.
@@King-uj1lh recruiting Anglicans I see?
if you weren't Presbyterian you wouldn't be based the skibidi sigma rizzler.
These words are not in the Bible 😭
Jesus: Forgive them Father for they don't possess the skibidi sigma rizz.
@@newme1589not funny bro
The word of God should be an ultimate authority of any church, not a tradition, not a church history or whatever. And that’s why my heart stand firm with the Baptist church.
I apologize on the behalf of all the edgy trad orthodox trolls online, we arent all like that i promise 😮💨🙏
As an Anglican I’m always happy with faith dialogue between denominations. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ and that is far more unifying than what divides us. God bless you all ✝️🤝🏻☦️🤝🏻🇻🇦
This is such a genius idea, excited to watch the whole video to see your take.
He's clearly going to choose adventist
SDAS REPRESENT!!!1!111 ELLEN G WHITE ON TOP (satire)
Adventism isn’t a Christian denomination they’re not even Protestant
@@OnBail-gq6cbnah we are
we don't think we're the only objectively true denomination, therefore we are by definition protestant ;)
@@scharlesscalvin to be “Protestant” your church has to be out of the “Protestant Reformation” area the SDA came from the “Great Restoration” some 200 years later. Also Protestant churches agree to the Nicene Creed, which SDA do not. Calling yourself Protestant doesn’t make it true.
Best Part about being Moravian is that we're such a small denomination No one ever bashes us LOL.
Which honestly baffles me we're not talked about more considering we're descendants of the Hussites who absolutely wrecked the Roman Catholic Crusaders.
Mad respect for Jan Huss. Your denomination gave a great contribution to Christendom.
Aren,t Bohemians Slavs?
I’m an Anglican, who would be a Presbyterian if I were not an Anglican. So I get it.
I appreciate your discourse on predestination. As a catholic, I've been accused of being calvinist for simply pointing out that God is omnipotent and all powerful, that God supercedes time and space, and that nothing happens unless he allows it to happen.
As a Methodist, i am glad you called us much nicer then other denominations
God bless you 😂
Huh, I guess Redeemed Zoomer really _isn't_ going to be converting to Lutheranism any day now...
I really appreciate when people answer this because it's so helpful to know if one ever had to unexpectedly move, what the next best churches to go to might be if our preferred denomination wasn't there by chance.
Were there any sola scriptura Christian denominations between the 400s and the 1500s?
Not full denominations, but John Cyrsostom and Cyril of Alexandria held to it. You might want to fact check for Cyril, though.
@@JoWilliams-ud4euCyril was not sola scriptura. He literally quotes the fathers that came before him to make his case in ephesus
@meina0614 That doesn't necessarily mean he isn't, but if you're right, then thanks for the information.
@MermaidMonarchist problem with that theory is that neither religion believes in a sola scriptura theology. Sola scriptura was a de novo method of interpreting scripture at the time
The moravian church was started in 1457 and were similar to solo scriptura
I been sat here laughing. Was not expecting “Baptists who can read” goodness gracious
Seems unnecessarily scathing.
@@Procopius464couldn’t agree more, especially since I’ve still been trying to read where I’m the Bible it says to baptize babies. Last I checked it was a decision one consciously made.
@@JhonnyL3002 I actually am in a church that baptizes babies. There are some places in the Bible where whole households get baptized at once, so that is the main justification for it. I get that Zoomer doesn't want to go to a Baptist church, but since he believes in theistic evolution he ought to dial back his criticism. There's no wiggle room in Genesis, so who is it that's not reading?
As a Methodist (not umc) you are sadly right most don't know jack crap about theology or even Methodist history
As a Redeemed Zoomer fan and Baptist who is hyperfixated on being scholarly about my own theology, there is nothing more hilarious than seeing Zoomer totally dunk on us every single video, because he's usually right hahaha💙
I hope he says methodist
After watching a bit of Redeemed Zoomer's content I think this video makes sense. I do enjoy these videos.
I'm a Pentecostal from Canada and both Methodist and Anglican would be in my top two as well.
Do you personally believe that baptism saves and in real presence of Christ in the bread and wine?
@@fernandoperez8587 I believe that Jesus is present and working during communion.
I don't believe that water baptism saves. I believe that when a person turns to Christ in repentance and believes in Christ then that person is saved and is baptized with the holy Spirit. Water baptism should follow soon in the new believer's life. Here I disagree with Redeemed Zoomer and Anglicans and probably Methodists. I am more like a Baptist in this way.
@@IsGul_Davos I encourage you to read up on what scripture says about water baptism. It is not a work we do but something done to us by God through His church. Even in scripture the command and description of baptism is in the passive voice "be baptized." Ultimately though salvation is a process with the Triune God.
Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.
- Hebrews 6:1-2
Here we find an order of salvation starting with repentance and faith and ending in resurrection and final judgment. Salvation is a process.
First is repentance and faith which is directed to God (the Father). Then baptism, in the name of the Triune God, follows placing us into Christ (in whom is the promises). Then lastly is the laying on of hands to receive the Spirit of God which makes us children of God.
We are made God's temple by first appealing to God in repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Then in baptism we receive the forgiveness of sins to be consecrated for God's presence to come in and dwell. This then happens when hands are laid on us and we receive God's presence, His Spirit.
Just like Moses had to first make atonement and consecrate all instruments of worship and the sanctuary with blood and water for God to dwell with them so we too must do so in baptism and the laying on hands. It's a process.
@@IsGul_Davos Consider this:
Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. - Hebrews 6:1-2
Here we find an order of salvation starting with repentance and faith and ending in resurrection and final judgment. Ultimately though salvation is a relational process with the Triune God.
First is repentance and faith which is directed to God (the Father). Then baptism, in the name of the Triune God, follows placing us into Christ (in whom is the promises). Then lastly is the laying on of hands to receive the Spirit of God which makes us children of God. We are made God's temple by first appealing to God in repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Then in baptism we receive the forgiveness of sins to be consecrated for God's presence to come in and dwell. This then happens when hands are laid on us and we receive God's presence, His Spirit. Just like Moses had to first make atonement and consecrate all instruments of worship and the sanctuary with blood and water for God to dwell with them so we too must do so in baptism and the laying on hands. It's a process.
Also water baptism is not a work we do but something done to us by God through His church. Even in scripture the command and description of baptism is in the passive voice "be baptized."
@@IsGul_Davos Consider the following:
Therefore, having left the beginning teaching of the Christ, we should go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. - Hebrews 6:1-2
Here we find an order of salvation starting with repentance and faith and ending in resurrection and final judgment. Salvation is a relational process with the Triune God in which we are made God's temple.
First is repentance and faith which is directed to God (the Father). Then baptism, in the name of the Triune God, which places us into Christ causing us to receive the forgiveness of our sins (Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Ephesians 5:26). Then lastly is the laying on of hands to receive God's presence, His Spirit which dwells within us making us children of God.
Similarly Moses had to first make atonement and consecrate all instruments of worship and the sanctuary with blood and water for God presence to dwell with them.
All this process is done and accessed by faith. Water baptism is not a work we do but something done to us by God through His church. Even in scripture the command and description of baptism is in the passive voice "be baptized."
I'm learning Pipe Organ. It's a really cool instrument! *Guess which split-off denominations have pipe organs*
(None of them)
Dutch reformed have pipe organs
Beautiful music🙂
Lmfao! 😂 very clever way and fun way of doing a hypothetical ! Cheers 🍻
If I was not Baptist I'll start a new denomination and call it Baptist 2.0
Aren’t you guys up to 2350.0 by now?
@ReformationHomested not really, when many Baptist form off from the main Baptist conventions they really don't change. Also the Independent fundamentalist Baptists are basically just non-denominational Christians who are just honest in saying their Baptists
That is basically how schisms happen
Loved it! It's the most catholic-without-being-catholic choice possible! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Btw, I'm catholic, and I've never felt offended by any of your commentary... On the very contrary, I learned a great deal from your videos. Thanks! :)
When I became Orthodox, I was looking for something as far away from Calvinism as possible. Please tell me I made the right choice.
man i can't believe that zoomer picked unitarian universalism, truly one of the moments of all time
As a reformed Baptist, attending a Presbyterian and about to try out the Wesleyan Methodist, this was really interesting and timely. "Much nicer people" is what I'm looking for.
16:10 I thought he had a point about the pitfalls of Catholicism, until he said "praying to statues." Just common Prot slander. If you are a solider and you are in a fox hole and you kiss a picture of your wife, does that mean you love that picture, or is it your wife that you love?
Once a bigot always a bigot
Heads up, according to US copyright law your creative works are copyright by default. You may want to consider providing a clear and explicit grant to the public domain. My father, who has the exact attitude you do, puts a public domain icon and "I grant this work to the public domain" at the bottom of each of his theological articles on his website.
Copyright is not an issue unless Zoomer decides to sue you. It is purely defensive in nature at least in the US.
He did say his denomination seals are not copyrighted in the video, though whether that counts a valid disclaimer or not, he won't sue you over it. You can use it just like how copyrighted stuff appears in almost every video on youtube. Though of course, making it formal may prevent issues no matter how unlikely they will occur.
These videos help a non denominational like me sm fr because it’s so hard finding info on all denominations and which have what beliefs hoping soon I’ll find a denomination that will align w my beliefs the most soon 🙏
If I wasn't baptist, I would probably be presbyterian
RZ doing a march-madness bracket about which *other* denomination he would be is exactly what I've come to expect from this channel! ❤
4:13 Calvin hardly ever cited Aquinas, & the few times he did he did so negatively.
He didn't have time because he was too busy worshipping his lord and Savior augustine.
@@ccrow3355I doubt he even followed Augustine
@@Sennen2008 he literally based his entire theology on augustine
Bro making EVERYBODY mad lol
In the town where I go to church there is a church that was originally Methodist / presbyterian united. The two other churches (Anglican and Lutheran) are built directly next to one another back in the mid 1800’s. Originally when settlers came to that area (it’s a bay and the churches face the bay itself) there were 4 denominations that all attended 1 church. Then in 1925 there was a Presbyterian church built a 5 minute walk away from the 3 churches & was sold in 1966 to the Pentecostals. & that’s where I go to church now!
Eventually the neighbouring house was connected to the church so we have a casual home vibe and the more traditional church vibe with the Presbyterian architecture.
And unlike the other 3 churches who have become progressive we are more conservative! I am very appreciative of the traditional vibes when we are actually having worship & services.
Thought it was an interesting history! If you want to see some beautiful photos of churches Google “the 3 churches mahone bay”
Based on some of the comments made in this you should do which denomination has nicer people in real life & online
Or reverse it & do most annoying, toxic, biblically illiterate, etc..
My order is
Orthodox
Miaphisite
Catholic
High Church Anglican
Lutheran
Low Church Anglican
Methodist
Calvanist
Baptist
Nestorian
What denomination are you that your not apostolic but would become so before protestant
@jonandrescu686 I recently had a religious experience at a very low moment and I'm still looking into christian denominations. For me, orthodox seems to be the best but I still have a lot to learn so I haven't committed yet. I have personal faith because of my experience but no church yet.
What I have often seen, is the steps typically go from covenantal theology in conservative Presbyterianism to sometimes Federal Vision theology to Reformed Anglicanism to Anglo-Catholicism [for those who are really fighting against conversion] and then finally to properly understood Catholicism.
From Baptist it goes from free will Baptist to reformed Baptist and then the same as above. Methodist I've seen go Anglican to Catholic and Lutheran often straight to Catholic. Some lately since the E.O. have been so online completely jump from the West to E.O. I don't know any of the O.O. ever changing and the Assyrians are so few. Sometimes E.O. go to Catholicism, sometimes the inverse. Anyways, no one asked, but just sharing conversion trends from my own observations.
btw which app is that?
I'd like to use it as well
Reformed baptists are reformed. and although the term reformed baptist came in at a later time there was still the 1689 London Baptist confession of faith and it is an exact copy of the Westminster confession except for minor differences and in infant baptism. those are the beliefs I hold and people who are reformed simply because of predestination are not reformed and in my opinion predestination is the worst of the reformed views.
u are spittin' fax rn
Those are all deviancy from the Three Self Patriotic Movement
After watching your denomination tier list, I kind of had a feeling you'd ultimately pick Anglican if you weren't Presbyterian
Did you know...majority of the Presbyterians in India, especially the Presbyterian Church of Mizoram and Meghalaya are from the Welsh Calvinistic-Methodists tradition of George Whitfield. Most Presbyterians in north east India are Calvinistic in theology, Methodist in practice and uniquely charismatic in worship.