If I was the owner I would have had that ceiling taken down and put back using new materials. Would have given them the chance to insulate the ceiling area if needed. Clearly an old property but I just never understand people paying for an experienced decorator when in a few years time it will crack and all move again. Put the foundations right but clearly budget dependant. Would have also given them a chance to check the interior brickwork/wood/joists for any damage. As you said the rad needs moving. Reminds me of by grandmas 1909 house in Barnes. I was always cold, damp with condensation and drafts. Hopefully the foam behind the coving will help with keeping those corner spots slightly warmer to stop condensation! Did you end up covering each wall with wall rock ? You really have taken on a big job and even without seeing Part 2/3 imagine the customer will be over the moon with the completed room but do feel if they had the budget they should have modernised the room internals/structure starting with that ceiling !
Yes difficult when you have a family. A lot of money involved and completely unknown how far you would need to go. It will feel like a different room once I've finished. Part two in a couple of weeks may be. Thanks
@@idi0tdetectioninprogress the issue is the dampness is still present in the building though, often it is from things like cooking and radiator drying of clothes. In the past these older houses had open fires in most bedrooms so there was significantly better ventilation and the fires when lit pulled out the moisture. I have a dehumidifier running in my own house and it pulls about four litres of water every two days it also puts out a small amount of heat and is cheap enough to run indeed I lower the thermostat temperature a bit when the humidifier is running.
@@paulf2529 Its an upstairs room, so any cold spots due to a building issue are pretty easy to find. How people live, and cause problems of their own making thereafter is up to them.
I’m really interested in the work you’re doing on this job - the room looks similar to mine (not the ceiling thankfully)! But underneath the window and in the corner I have a similar problem with condensation so I’m interested to learn from you how to address this problem. I’ve learnt such a lot of great tips from you with decorating- thank you 😊
Yes I think the old price is out the door. But the customer does understand that it's kicked up some new stuff. They are just pleased I can sort it without having to have new everything. Thanks
Wouldn't the ceiling be easier to put plaster board over the top then you could try and level it to make the coving easier. If the customer is willing to pay for it.
Reminds me of my house! Lots of the steps here are very familiar to me. For those criticising working with the ceiling as is and not replacing, well that would be at additional cost and maybe the home owner is happy to keep as is? That corner though - looks looks gypsum patched into lime which makes me wonder if there is some sort of ingress going on there. But no doubt lots of condensation too if the wall is already damp and cold.
Yes to have all the taken out would cost a lot. And you still need good trades to make it happen. Once fixed it will be sound. Thank you and thanks for watching
I am a professional painter in the United States Washington DC area 30 years experience I enjoy your videos just curious how much did you charge for all that work just curious to see what you would charge in England for that? Thanks brother Brush 😊. Ken
Well, i guess a new ceiling would have been the best way forward but it depends on the customer. You are doing the best you can given the circumstances.
Might be worth popping up into the loft and checking how much insulation they have in those external corners. Could be a cheap diy fix for the customer to improve things a bit. As a plumber id say get the rad under the window but everyones on a budget. Big heat loss on the external walls of old victorian houses.
The ceiling looks as though it needs replacing big time!!! But ive seen the skill set you brothers have and i have every confidence if will look good when yr done👍
He is my reply. Your completely missing the point. That ceiling needs to come down before any coving goes up. And for your info I've fitted thousands of metres of coving to flat and uneven surfaces. Yet I've never done that crap. Answer this simple question. Why have you done straight cuts on the long lengths and not mitred them. First mistake. Also those external mitres need to be cut and them surfed to fit as the point to point line from top to bottom will not match the angle of the breast wall. I think it's about time you took criticism because if you worked for my company and did this you'd be sacked within the hour. Its poor mate. Very very poor. Anyone that thinks this is acceptable has no clue what they are talking about
Agree, im not covinced any amount of filler will sort the coving. The butt joints are simply not right. Not a massive ceiling so cheap enough to overboard and a decent surface to then work from.
@@PaintingandDecorating it's relative though to the cost of doing everything else correctly. The last ceiling I had done was £480, roughly similar size.
Amazing work you guys do. I have learnt a lot from you and it has given me confidence to tackle to some of the DIY work in my house. Keep up the great work; looking forward for the next part of this big job.
My concern with all damp issues is I can put new filler, paper and damp seal over it but that doesn't stop the problem. The damp is still there isn't it? Will it be a matter of time before it's all back?
The house would benefit from running a small dehumidifier in the autumn and winter. The condensation is likely from cooking drying clothes / towels on radiators etc. In the past these older houses had fires in most of the bedrooms and thus significantly better ventilation. These days everything is sealed but the contruction is dated in comparison to modern standards so you get mould and condensation issues.
Its not damp buddy, its condensation due to cold spots and probably poor airflow. Long curtains , furniture against walls, that type of thing. The window doesn't look a barrel of laughs, with what looks like some sort of secondary glazing arrangement. Its probably seldom opened. Really needed the buildings welfare prioritising over paint and powder. Difficult with older property, you either need the building knowledge and skills to do it all yourself, or lots of money for contractors, and plenty of them don't know what they're doing!
No.thank.you. what period is the property? 1930s? Looks like someone has plastered over the old lime plaster on the walls. Damp/water issues surely need to be sorted before you dec ? Def get a professional in for dealing with the coving imo - didn't even know they still made polystyrene coving..... why would you use that? If walls not absolutely square, then pro needs to come in to do cornice in situ/ adjust for the differences in the tolerances etc Good luck!
@@alansupple5350you mean the vertical cut. You make the cut wide and you can trim to have a V shape, this helps when filling. I do this method to prevent the joint ever cracking also you can not see it once filled. So many times you come across coving with cracks on every joint and corners. My way eliminates this from ever happening. I understand this is new to you. I've seen your method fail time and time again. I do things to last.
No I mean a sq cut because that's what it's called. Under no circumstances should you have a sq cut on a straight length. It doesn't matter how many people tell you it's wrong you'll always believe you way is right. 1 of my skill sets are fitting moulded plaster coving and that's usually in period houses. So plz dont tell me how it should be done. Having to make a v cut into NEW coving is a shambles, just so u can fill it with filler. Lol. Take it on the chin and learn a bit from people that do this for a living. Stick to painting. World of advice with the painting. Spend a bit. Get some proper rollers, frames and poles. Treat yourself to a set of new brushes, possibly arroworthy oval. Remember when I said to use peel stop on flaking paint. You replied don't need to spend that sort of money when I use PVA. lol. Move forward with the time and start doing thing correct instead of covering up. Happy Christmas to you
Mate seriously that coving is shocking. Those exterior corners are poor. I know you'll say you will foam and fill but it's crap mate. Embarrassing to be honest. I know this sounds like a dig but it's not. The ceiling needs to be taken down and re boarded and plastered so it's square. Then the coving put up. But cut properly. Not square cuts on the long lengths. They need to be mitred. No amount of filler will fix that ceiling correctly. It's a bodge job to even think about doing that. Anyway, good luck as u will definitely need it.
Its up and straight and will look perfect once painted. You will enjoy watching the finish. Sounds like you have not done a lot of coving on uneven surfaces.
A room only for the brave or daft. Lovely work so far. Hope the owner will address those cold spots? Cheers ❤
Thank you, some insulation paper is going on, should help.
Only an experienced professional like yourself could tackle this. I really enjoy your content & I'm looking forward to part 2. Thanks so much 👍
Me too
Thank you 😊 and thanks for watching.
me too👁👁👀@@alexthomson7465
Brilliant video, VERY interesting you are truly a font of expertise. Cant believe that ceiling!!!! Looking forward to the next part of this job TFS
Thank you difficult room but will be nice to see it fixed. Thanks for watching
If I was the owner I would have had that ceiling taken down and put back using new materials. Would have given them the chance to insulate the ceiling area if needed. Clearly an old property but I just never understand people paying for an experienced decorator when in a few years time it will crack and all move again. Put the foundations right but clearly budget dependant. Would have also given them a chance to check the interior brickwork/wood/joists for any damage. As you said the rad needs moving. Reminds me of by grandmas 1909 house in Barnes. I was always cold, damp with condensation and drafts. Hopefully the foam behind the coving will help with keeping those corner spots slightly warmer to stop condensation! Did you end up covering each wall with wall rock ? You really have taken on a big job and even without seeing Part 2/3 imagine the customer will be over the moon with the completed room but do feel if they had the budget they should have modernised the room internals/structure starting with that ceiling !
Yes difficult when you have a family. A lot of money involved and completely unknown how far you would need to go. It will feel like a different room once I've finished. Part two in a couple of weeks may be. Thanks
A classic example of a house that would benefit from running a dehumidifier in the autumn and winter.
Just needs a bit of proper looking at thats all. Cold spots there for a reason. That ceiling really needed underdrawing or reboarding though.
@@idi0tdetectioninprogress the issue is the dampness is still present in the building though, often it is from things like cooking and radiator drying of clothes.
In the past these older houses had open fires in most bedrooms so there was significantly better ventilation and the fires when lit pulled out the moisture.
I have a dehumidifier running in my own house and it pulls about four litres of water every two days it also puts out a small amount of heat and is cheap enough to run indeed I lower the thermostat temperature a bit when the humidifier is running.
@@paulf2529 Its an upstairs room, so any cold spots due to a building issue are pretty easy to find.
How people live, and cause problems of their own making thereafter is up to them.
I’m really interested in the work you’re doing on this job - the room looks similar to mine (not the ceiling thankfully)! But underneath the window and in the corner I have a similar problem with condensation so I’m interested to learn from you how to address this problem. I’ve learnt such a lot of great tips from you with decorating- thank you 😊
Will fit in as much as I can. Thanks for watching. 👍
Been in this horror movie before thank god you couldn't give an estimate for that job
Yes I think the old price is out the door. But the customer does understand that it's kicked up some new stuff. They are just pleased I can sort it without having to have new everything. Thanks
@@PaintingandDecorating that's the job satisfaction especially when the customer understands
Wouldn't the ceiling be easier to put plaster board over the top then you could try and level it to make the coving easier. If the customer is willing to pay for it.
Possibly
Good, interesting vlog. That ceiling is unbelievable 🙈. Looking forward to the finished article. God luck 👍
Thank you 👍
Reminds me of my house! Lots of the steps here are very familiar to me.
For those criticising working with the ceiling as is and not replacing, well that would be at additional cost and maybe the home owner is happy to keep as is?
That corner though - looks looks gypsum patched into lime which makes me wonder if there is some sort of ingress going on there. But no doubt lots of condensation too if the wall is already damp and cold.
Yes to have all the taken out would cost a lot. And you still need good trades to make it happen. Once fixed it will be sound. Thank you and thanks for watching
My first thought was Pandora's box. That is a bit of sorting by any stretch. good luck I've 100% confidence you will top it out lovely.
Cheers mate. Thanks
I am a professional painter in the United States Washington DC area 30 years experience I enjoy your videos just curious how much did you charge for all that work just curious to see what you would charge in England for that?
Thanks brother Brush 😊.
Ken
Well, i guess a new ceiling would have been the best way forward but it depends on the customer.
You are doing the best you can given the circumstances.
Might be worth popping up into the loft and checking how much insulation they have in those external corners. Could be a cheap diy fix for the customer to improve things a bit.
As a plumber id say get the rad under the window but everyones on a budget. Big heat loss on the external walls of old victorian houses.
Yes was thinking of having a look in the loft see what's what. Possible it's very difficult to get right down to the ends. Will check. Thanks 👍
What are your hours of what? When are Breaks etc?
What did you use to stick the coving?
The ceiling looks as though it needs replacing big time!!! But ive seen the skill set you brothers have and i have every confidence if will look good when yr done👍
A lot of ceilings bow but this is a big one. Thanks for watching.
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Is it a typo on the closing credits?
He is my reply. Your completely missing the point. That ceiling needs to come down before any coving goes up. And for your info I've fitted thousands of metres of coving to flat and uneven surfaces. Yet I've never done that crap. Answer this simple question. Why have you done straight cuts on the long lengths and not mitred them. First mistake. Also those external mitres need to be cut and them surfed to fit as the point to point line from top to bottom will not match the angle of the breast wall. I think it's about time you took criticism because if you worked for my company and did this you'd be sacked within the hour. Its poor mate. Very very poor. Anyone that thinks this is acceptable has no clue what they are talking about
It's done 👍✅ no miters everything gets filled no cracks. It's my way..
Agree, im not covinced any amount of filler will sort the coving. The butt joints are simply not right.
Not a massive ceiling so cheap enough to overboard and a decent surface to then work from.
@@paulf2529cheap lol.
@@paulf2529my next video will show what a professional can actually achieve with confidence. Watch out for part two. 👍
@@PaintingandDecorating it's relative though to the cost of doing everything else correctly. The last ceiling I had done was £480, roughly similar size.
Nooice!
Thanks 👍
Amazing work you guys do. I have learnt a lot from you and it has given me confidence to tackle to some of the DIY work in my house. Keep up the great work; looking forward for the next part of this big job.
Cheers mate.. thank you 👍
That room is absolutely shocking
Yep a lot going on but looks worse than it actually is.
haha the ceiling are u in aus lol
this man can sort this out you see
Cheers mate ✅
My concern with all damp issues is I can put new filler, paper and damp seal over it but that doesn't stop the problem. The damp is still there isn't it? Will it be a matter of time before it's all back?
The house would benefit from running a small dehumidifier in the autumn and winter.
The condensation is likely from cooking drying clothes / towels on radiators etc.
In the past these older houses had fires in most of the bedrooms and thus significantly better ventilation.
These days everything is sealed but the contruction is dated in comparison to modern standards so you get mould and condensation issues.
Its not damp buddy, its condensation due to cold spots and probably poor airflow. Long curtains , furniture against walls, that type of thing.
The window doesn't look a barrel of laughs, with what looks like some sort of secondary glazing arrangement. Its probably seldom opened.
Really needed the buildings welfare prioritising over paint and powder. Difficult with older property, you either need the building knowledge and skills to do it all yourself, or lots of money for contractors, and plenty of them don't know what they're doing!
Wow yep! wonky donkey ceiling, done very well with that one,👍
Thank you 👍
No.thank.you. what period is the property? 1930s?
Looks like someone has plastered over the old lime plaster on the walls.
Damp/water issues surely need to be sorted before you dec ?
Def get a professional in for dealing with the coving imo - didn't even know they still made polystyrene coving..... why would you use that?
If walls not absolutely square, then pro needs to come in to do cornice in situ/ adjust for the differences in the tolerances etc
Good luck!
Yes you certainly need to know what you're doing. Luckily I do. The finish will be great. Thanks for watching.
No luck needed.
@PaintingandDecorating tell me why you are putting a sq cut on the long lengths if you know what your doing. Plz answer
Polystyrene coving not the same as it used to be its a lot better
@@alansupple5350you mean the vertical cut. You make the cut wide and you can trim to have a V shape, this helps when filling. I do this method to prevent the joint ever cracking also you can not see it once filled. So many times you come across coving with cracks on every joint and corners. My way eliminates this from ever happening. I understand this is new to you. I've seen your method fail time and time again. I do things to last.
No I mean a sq cut because that's what it's called. Under no circumstances should you have a sq cut on a straight length. It doesn't matter how many people tell you it's wrong you'll always believe you way is right. 1 of my skill sets are fitting moulded plaster coving and that's usually in period houses. So plz dont tell me how it should be done. Having to make a v cut into NEW coving is a shambles, just so u can fill it with filler. Lol. Take it on the chin and learn a bit from people that do this for a living. Stick to painting. World of advice with the painting. Spend a bit. Get some proper rollers, frames and poles. Treat yourself to a set of new brushes, possibly arroworthy oval. Remember when I said to use peel stop on flaking paint. You replied don't need to spend that sort of money when I use PVA. lol. Move forward with the time and start doing thing correct instead of covering up. Happy Christmas to you
Mate seriously that coving is shocking. Those exterior corners are poor. I know you'll say you will foam and fill but it's crap mate. Embarrassing to be honest. I know this sounds like a dig but it's not. The ceiling needs to be taken down and re boarded and plastered so it's square. Then the coving put up. But cut properly. Not square cuts on the long lengths. They need to be mitred. No amount of filler will fix that ceiling correctly. It's a bodge job to even think about doing that. Anyway, good luck as u will definitely need it.
Its up and straight and will look perfect once painted. You will enjoy watching the finish. Sounds like you have not done a lot of coving on uneven surfaces.
Put a plug in it matey boy
££££! 👊🏻
As others have mentioned, this need replacing or oveboarding but that costs. I look forward to the transformation.
It will be okay once done. Thanks
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