Now I shoot in 30. I was also told that slowing the 30 down to 80% still works well (as opposed to putting it into a 24p timeline). Have you tried that, Mike?
I almost always shoot 30fps. It's standard frame rate for TV in the US, so most people are used to watching this frame rate; Great video Mike, so many people are confused about frame rates, you did a nice of job of explaining in a way most people can understand.
This makes total mathematical sense to me. I have a new mavic air, heading to Maui at Christmas and didn't know what frame rate was best. So, it's 30 fps for me unless I want slow motion at 120 fps. By the way, this was not boring content. It was critical information that I very much needed.
Way to get the conversation started Mike, it's always good to listen and learn from others. I am pretty much shooting everything at 30fps and then exporting on a 24p timeline. I can choose whether or not to slow the footage down to 80% regular speed, which I do nearly 100% of the time with my Spark shots - just makes them a touch smoother. I only choose higher frame rates when I am intentionally shooting for slow motion. 😀
I'm amazed by how well this works. I tested by capturing in 30 fps and did your trick with automatic speed (slowing to 80% speed) and also tried a 30 fps timeline. I honestly like the slowed down 24 fps timeline better and feel like it makes for a better viewing experience.
Cheers for the video. I've been experimenting with 30 frames rendered at 24 and 48 frames rendered at 30 and found shooting at 30 works best for smoothness and detail.
You are completely right, I just caught on to this recently. In 24fps I had the same problem, it was jittery. But recording at 30fps The problem disappeared. Putting it into a 24fps timeframe is like magic. Great video, Thanks for the tips.
I was looking for info on the fps subject for a project I'm going to do soon and lo and behold - there's a video on the topic from your local drone authority! Cheers and thanks, mate!
I was always wondering why i would see certain drone footage and it just looked sharper/more crisp than mine. I’d be shooting in 24fps using ND filters, 180 degree rule, etc., but for some reason it never had that same look/feel. The moment you showed the 30fps shots I immediately knew that’s what it was. Thanks a million! I cant wait to shoot my next video. Post pandemic
Always love your stuff man! Glad someone made a video on this. I posted in a forum not to long ago about how 24fps is not good on the DJI Mavic 2 Pro for bringing the camera up or down. H.265 or H.264 has no affect on this nor does the resolution. It is directly related to frame rate. 30fps is much better. I initially thought it was a compression issue as it doesn't happen across the entire image. I wish DJI would increase the 100mbps to 160mbps. I wonder if this would clear that up. Good video!
Thank you so much for your tip on 30 over 24 fps, I was struggling with finding that buttery smooth video that I wanted with my mavic air. I was thinking about going to 60 fps and sacrificing some quality to get that smooth cinematic look, but this is great news and after trying it out yesterday in some very bright snowy conditions I can confirm this works beautifully. Love the channel man keep up the great work!
Excellent tip! This video just helped me salvage some 30fps drone footage that I needed to use on a 24fps timeline. I've been shooting video with DSLRs and mirrorless for several years and like to shoot in 24fps. But I'm still a newb when it comes to using drones. I've already noticed that 24fps doesn't always work all that well for my drone footage. The 80% speed of 30fps converted to 24fps is a nice look. Thanks for making this video!
Frame rate can have a noticeable effect on the perceived smoothness of slow camera panning shots. The slower the frame rate, the choppier the pan will look, and there's a hidden pitfall those who shoot in 24 fps often encounter. Most monitors and TV's refresh their image at 60 Hz. Since 24 fps does not divide evenly into 60, that 24 fps footage produces an uneven refresh rate when displayed at 60 Hz, which can make slow pans look ragged. To produce the smoothest pans for display on 60 Hz monitors, the best camera frame rates are 60 fps and 30 fps.
Most useful comment here! But it's not only the shooting fps that's relevant, it is also the timeline. I will never understand why all those RUclipsrs who want to create cinematic footage upload 24p timelines onto RUclips. 99 % of people are watching YT on either their smartphone or a tablet/computer screen, and those screens are 60 Hz in most cases - and as you mention, 60 does not evenly divide by 24, so the result is a 3:2 pulldown that makes it look choppy. Most obvious when there are pans or other major movement involved, that's why in drone footage it's critical. 24p on YT would only make sense if "choppy" was an integral attribute of cinematic footage. But I think it is not. 30p with a shutter speed that floats somewhere around the 180 degree shutter rule will give you the most cinematic look - on smartphones and computer screens, at least.
As always, Thank You Mike!! This information is exactly what I needed! I have always shot in 30fps / 60ss with my MA. I've been contemplating about going with 24fps due to having the new GoPro Hero10 and iPhone 13 Pro Max. Shooting in 30fps will now be my normal.... As a FCPX user, everything you said makes perfect sense and I can't thank you enough for this video! THANK YOU!! 👍😊
Hi Mike, thank you very much for this video. Is this specific video on a 30 p timeline, right? Because you also talk about shooting in 30 p and putting it in a 24 p timeline..... which works very well if slowed down to 80 % BUT this 24 p timeline will then again be stuttering on a standard 60 Hz monitor (smartphone, tablet, computer monitor). So for RUclips purposes, 30 p makes the most sense. And I guess, this videos is on a 30 p timeline. Right?
Great video Mike. Yeah, I have noticed that Hollywood movies either shoot straight on forward and backward, side to side, rise up and lower down, corner to corner. You do not see much of the circular rotation around a point of interest too much and if you do they keep the radial speed very very slow as 24fps can not keep up with the rotational speed of objects moving through the frame. It is just too fast for smooth transitions in each frame. You can do a test and film in 24 fps second and do a point of interest at a very slow rate and then a quicker rate, you will see the skipping effect once you hit a certain radial speed. That radial speed depends on what is in the frame and how far away it is, the farther away it is the faster it moves and the more likely it will start to skip at 24 frames a second. It will happen at any frame rate, but at 24 fps you will notice it sooner. Great video.
That gittering can be because your main camera is set to 30 fps in the timeline and drone is 24fps then it's trying to make up frames which does that as gittering as well.. all depends on what the timeline is set at
Good info! I don't have a drone, but if I did, I would use lower frame rates for the big scenic shots. If I had one that was following me while doing action, I would get up to 60fps, if it had the ability. For mountain biking, I shoot at 60fps on the action camera. Much smoother and video quality is excellent.
as someone who still doesnt really know what theyre doing even after years of shooting drone footage, thats why i still use 50fps. I can drop it in post, but still get 'some' slowmo at x2 (or even a little more) because i have more frames to begin with, if i spot something i wasnt planning to do slowmo with.
Excellent tutorial as always Mike. I have always tended to ratchet up the fps, but what you presented makes total sense. I can't wait to get the test videos created this weekend and see what they show. Thanks
It was also annoying me the jittering of 24 fps, but I was, like you said, sacrifiting the shoot for a unreasable rule... until now! you encouraged me to turn it to 30fps, that what makes me happy, smooth movements! so very thanks! Maybe drone’s camera are not developed enought to get cinematic 24 fps shoots. I can talk about dji mini 2.
Thanks Mike. You don't mention that we're still presented with NTSC (US. / 30fps) and PAL (Europe & Asia 25fps). But the need to adhere to these has long past as they were for the old cathode ray TV sets and the Mains electrical frequency, which is irrelevant for modern displays. So there's nothing wrong for Europeans to be shooting in 30fps and that's why I do too...😎👍🏻 Cheers, Ian in London.
I'm a newbie with drones which is why I'm devouring YT content on the subject. I will say however that I came to the conclusion that shooting footage on my motorcycle looks really good shot at 30fps and slowed down to 24 and will try the same with the drone.
Great video thanks for sharing bud I was flying my drone at 30fps and I noticed that when i uploaded it to my RUclips channel and seen the cars were choppy and wasn't to happy so i will be shooting in two different frames from no on and then I will be able to get the best out of the two of them thanks for the tips and information and keep safe and fly safe bud 👍👍👍👍👍
When I first got my drone, I do don’t know about frame rates etc, so just thought “why not just use 4K60” as the highest quality is best. But once I found out about fps, and the 180 degree look. Now I always shoot in 25fps, and 1/50 shutter after buying a load of Freewell filters. It’s made my footage look so much better. Made all the difference between amateur and professional level shots. I’ve been told that here in the uk, it should always be 25fps, and if I was in the states it would be 24fps. Something to do with frequency of electricity in the different countries or something. Weird, but I can tell how much better my footage is. & even been using 1080p 25fps & the footage is loads nicer.
Hi Mike, I was since ever shooting in 25fps; the european PAL TV standard,. A few more months ago, because of the Spark, I discovered the same, 30fps is better. Than I switched to 30fps on all my other drones and all other cameras.
I'm here because even at 30fps I get that sort of jittery footage and I see @3:10 you also have that problem. It's not THAT buttery smooth actually just like me (when panning fairly fast). I'm going to try 48fps to see if I can get rid of it.
Thanks for sharing brother, I'll give it a try and see if it will work for me. Wow this video was from 5 years ago. I wonder if the advice you gave works today in 2024.
Thanks man. One thing. Dji dron shooting not in 24 frames per secon, but in 23,97. Try to set your project in 23.97 fps, and look, will you have that jitter when you shoot at 24 fps, or not. I try this, and jitter has gone. Same thing with 30 fps, the project fps have to by set for 29.97 fps.
What settings would you choose on the mavic 2 zoom in 1080p? I'm looking for settings raw out of the camera and I want to stay with 1080p so I can take advantage of the 4 x zoom. Thanks
Thanks for the explanation! But wouldn't it be better if filming in 50fps/60fps and importing on a 24/25 timeline? Isnt it the same look afterwards? Plus you can slow down the footage even more? What speaks against it? Thanks
I think 30 fps makes the most sense. So often video is ever so slightly slowed down to give it that cinematic look, which as you mentioned can be slowed to 24 fps if shot in 30 fps. But if shot in 24 fps, slowing down isn't possible without introducing strange effects. Think I'll plan to stick with 30.
Hi Mike, when taking panning shots it's even better to go to 48 fps. I always got quite some jitter with my Spark, so I stopped making these type of shots (which are btw not so cinematic too). Now with my Anafi and 48 fps while circling a POI it works great. Thanks👍
Hello my Friend, A question please... I'm flying a Yuneec Q500 4K But my computer and T.V. monitor can't handle 4K videos.. My T.V. monitor is 1080p so when i switched my 4K camera settings to 1920 by 1080 by 30 fps. the videos are awesome!! and watchable on my computer and T.V. monitor.. My Question is: "Is this what you would recommend for Me? I fly at my local park, no more than around 200 feet and just want the best and most clear and real looking videos... i dont know anything about "Shutter speed" White Balance... and so on... Thanks for your advice... And i learned from your video!! Thank you!!
Thanks a lot for the tip. I have been dealing with stuttering videos on my Mavic Pro 2 since a month, guess I have found the answer to my doubts. Hope to see more about this kind of info. Greetings from Italy
Good tip but I have a question: How does it affect the shutter speed rule? By slowing down the footage you slow down the time it takes to swap between frames but the morion blur of each individual frame cant be changed. Would you please mind to elaborate on that? 😁
Good morning. One question to ask: I live in Europe (Greece - phantom 4 pro v1) that we have Pal system. In Pal there is the possibility in 25 fps and 50fps. If I set it to NTSC for to get 30fps that you recommend will I have a problem with image and project editing? I want to follow your advice to pull at 30fps or leave it at 25fps with Pal system;
I habe experience this problem , whenever i record in 24 fps i have a stuttering video its unusable , when i swit h to 30 the lroblem is gone , so its fps and drone is ok ?
30fps is better for most of us who will mostly play our videos on a digital screen. 24fps is not compatible with digital monitors/screens' refresh rate of 60Hz.
Roger St martin the hasselblad lens, bigger sensor, 10 bit h265 color, no fixed aperture, anti collision sensors and much longer range in crowded area etc, etc. Need I say more? 😁
for me, i just got a sony zv e10. before that i'm only using 2 smartphones (samsung galaxy j7 prime and oppo f1s) both with native cams set at 30 fps. since i only have (now) just one camera and there will be times that i might need to use the phones, i set the zv e10's camera to 30 fps as well, to match with the phone footage, and no problem with premiere pro 30 fps timeline. but for slomo, i've seen a number of youtube videos with 60 fps slowmo is more dramatic/cinematic (and for normal human actions and speed), while just use 120 fps for very fast moving subjects.
Hi My M2P Jitters as you show at 3:54 at 4k 24fps and also at 4k 30fps ! I am using good nd's and my shutter speed just X 2 of FPS ...What is your SD card ? Mine is Sandisk 64gb A2, Read160 MB/S, Write 60MB/S. I cant find a solution...your shots seems very smooth and for me can be done only if i have 60fps at 2k or lower..... What is your suggestion ? Thanks for your responce
Isn't the issues of jitter caused by rolling shutter? 24fps was the industry standard back in the day when cameras were mounted on tripods and were mostly super stabilised. I think if you have any camera movement (like a drone) you should shoot at a higher fps and then slow it down or convert to 24fps in post.
What if I want normal speed after doing this? Can I film in 30p, interpret footage to 24p, then change speed to 125% to get back to normal speed in the 24p timeline?
great content as always! do you happen to have any tips on working with mastershots and hyperlapses from the mavic 3? how do you export those and ensure they are in the right quality to upload to fb, ig ?
Would it be OK to film a video talking head in 30 frames per second then export to 24 frames per second for RUclips? I’m starting a RUclips! channel soon!
I totally agree with what you are saying and personally, I've always felt this way myself. I have never subscribed to the 24 fps rule, thank you for reassuring me that I am not doing something wrong.
I can totally see the "jittery" thing you're talking about at 24 fps, in fact I can see it at 30 fps as well, but at 30 fps it's not distracting. At 24 fps it's almost annoying.
This video is missing the whole technical reason why 30FPS looks so much smoother than 24FPS on a computer screen. That is because of common refresh rates of computer screens. Smartphones and computer screens have a refresh rate of 60 hertz, meaning 30 frames per second. So a mismatch between screen refresh rate and you're footage will always cause stutter. Same goes for footage shooted in 50 FPS. 50 FPS used to be and still is a common setting for digital camera's especially in PAL regions. Always reset your camera to NTSC, to match computer/smartphone screen refresh frequencys. The whole 25/50FPS thing is not applicable anymore and is a legacy thing from the days television screens in PAL regions where refreshing at the speed of the current.. So 30 looks better because of it matches your computers refresh rate. 50 will also look worse than 30..
Thanks, Mike. Just to clarify, can I import 30fps, edit in a 24fps timeline and export the 24fps, or, would I edit in a 30fps timeline and export 24? Cheers
if you want 24fps "end" product - you should edit in 24fps timeline, just make sure if your footage is shot in 30fps you slow it down to 80% so it fits the 24fps timeline well.
@@DroneSupremacy you are wrong here! By slowing down 80%, your video will not be real-time live look. If you still want realtime look, just stick with 100% speed. What the software does is to discard 1frame every 5 frames, its called re-sampling. This is how 30fps clip works on 24fps timeline.
@@stefanofilmmkr film in 30 p and put it on a 30 p timeline. Only 30 p (and 60 p, if you want that look) is going to look judderfree on standard smartphone/tablet/computer displays because they refresh at 60 Hz.
I totally agree with you. It's a lot of drone videos on RUclips who are filmed in higher fps and post in lover that give the terrible jitter. I want to see smooth videos otherwise I missing the moment in them. My first videos I did was recorded in 30 fps because that's the fps I was recommended from my RUclipsrs. And of course my film have jitter specially the closeup clip. I took a bit of my clip and make a second clip in 30 fps and it looks perfect. Now I always use 30 fps :)
great points man! 30 makes the most sense to me. I have a video I uploaded on my channel that would of been great if it didn't chop as much as it does. it's titled "Cheaha State Park " it's a prime example as to WHY I'm going to move to 30fps and mod in post
i dont really understand the difference between shooting in 24 fps and exporting it in 24fps or shooting it in 30fps and exporting it in 24fps as well. How can it look smoother if you watch the same 24 frames moving in 1s of film later? Is is not the watching speed ( 24fps) that makes the footage shaky? what happens if you just slow down the shutter a bit under the 180 rule to ad a little more motion blur?
it gets slower because now you have 30 images per second into 24... there are more images... so in essence 1 second of timeline will be equivalent to 0.8 seconds
could you tell me why my Mavic pro also has a stutterring / jittering video in 24 fps ? is it normal ? just because there is not enough frame rates to deliveer the smooth video ? the problem dispapears like in your case in 4k30 fps
The problem with jittery 24fps is what is displaying it. What you’re seeing is poor playback on your display. If you play a 24fps video on a 60Hz display, it will have judder. If you play the same 24fps on a 120Hz display (tv), voila, no judder. 30fps will play correctly on both 60Hz and 120Hz. Turns out it’s a simple math problem.
Hi! If you shot the scene at 30fps to get it in a 24p timeline, do you choose 1/48 or 1/60 shutterspeed? I hope i will have an answer since the video is pretty old. Thanks for the good content anyway!
Yeah, you are right tho, its ok to shoot in 30fps with our drones, and works fine when you do slowmo and render it to 24fps. 24fps is best for natural and cinematic look based from movies, tv programs and history of film making.
Good video man! I also notice big difference between 24 and 30 but I was thinking Im wrong maybe as I'm new to drones :) After this video for sure will move on 30fps 😎 Thanks for explanation
Soooo...24 fps or 30 fps? What do you shoot in?
Now I shoot in 30. I was also told that slowing the 30 down to 80% still works well (as opposed to putting it into a 24p timeline). Have you tried that, Mike?
@@AsgardStudios Yes! It's also a good solution :)
Great video man I usually shoot in 24 fps as you did I'm going to try 30 FPS this afternoon and compare the shots thanks for the advice
What about shooting in 60 and dropping to 24 in post?
I almost always shoot 30fps. It's standard frame rate for TV in the US, so most people are used to watching this frame rate; Great video Mike, so many people are confused about frame rates, you did a nice of job of explaining in a way most people can understand.
This makes total mathematical sense to me. I have a new mavic air, heading to Maui at Christmas and didn't know what frame rate was best. So, it's 30 fps for me unless I want slow motion at 120 fps. By the way, this was not boring content. It was critical information that I very much needed.
Glad to hear you found it helpful, Mark! Thanks and have fun in Maui! ;)
Way to get the conversation started Mike, it's always good to listen and learn from others. I am pretty much shooting everything at 30fps and then exporting on a 24p timeline. I can choose whether or not to slow the footage down to 80% regular speed, which I do nearly 100% of the time with my Spark shots - just makes them a touch smoother. I only choose higher frame rates when I am intentionally shooting for slow motion. 😀
I'm amazed by how well this works. I tested by capturing in 30 fps and did your trick with automatic speed (slowing to 80% speed) and also tried a 30 fps timeline. I honestly like the slowed down 24 fps timeline better and feel like it makes for a better viewing experience.
Cheers for the video. I've been experimenting with 30 frames rendered at 24 and 48 frames rendered at 30 and found shooting at 30 works best for smoothness and detail.
You are completely right, I just caught on to this recently. In 24fps I had the same problem, it was jittery. But recording at 30fps The problem disappeared. Putting it into a 24fps timeframe is like magic. Great video, Thanks for the tips.
I was looking for info on the fps subject for a project I'm going to do soon and lo and behold - there's a video on the topic from your local drone authority! Cheers and thanks, mate!
Haha small world, hope the video was useful! :)
I was always wondering why i would see certain drone footage and it just looked sharper/more crisp than mine. I’d be shooting in 24fps using ND filters, 180 degree rule, etc., but for some reason it never had that same look/feel. The moment you showed the 30fps shots I immediately knew that’s what it was. Thanks a million! I cant wait to shoot my next video. Post pandemic
Always love your stuff man! Glad someone made a video on this. I posted in a forum not to long ago about how 24fps is not good on the DJI Mavic 2 Pro for bringing the camera up or down. H.265 or H.264 has no affect on this nor does the resolution. It is directly related to frame rate. 30fps is much better. I initially thought it was a compression issue as it doesn't happen across the entire image.
I wish DJI would increase the 100mbps to 160mbps. I wonder if this would clear that up.
Good video!
Thank you so much for your tip on 30 over 24 fps, I was struggling with finding that buttery smooth video that I wanted with my mavic air. I was thinking about going to 60 fps and sacrificing some quality to get that smooth cinematic look, but this is great news and after trying it out yesterday in some very bright snowy conditions I can confirm this works beautifully. Love the channel man keep up the great work!
Excellent tip! This video just helped me salvage some 30fps drone footage that I needed to use on a 24fps timeline. I've been shooting video with DSLRs and mirrorless for several years and like to shoot in 24fps. But I'm still a newb when it comes to using drones. I've already noticed that 24fps doesn't always work all that well for my drone footage. The 80% speed of 30fps converted to 24fps is a nice look. Thanks for making this video!
Glad I could help, Carl! Cheers!
Frame rate can have a noticeable effect on the perceived smoothness of slow camera panning shots. The slower the frame rate, the choppier the pan will look, and there's a hidden pitfall those who shoot in 24 fps often encounter. Most monitors and TV's refresh their image at 60 Hz. Since 24 fps does not divide evenly into 60, that 24 fps footage produces an uneven refresh rate when displayed at 60 Hz, which can make slow pans look ragged. To produce the smoothest pans for display on 60 Hz monitors, the best camera frame rates are 60 fps and 30 fps.
Most useful comment here! But it's not only the shooting fps that's relevant, it is also the timeline. I will never understand why all those RUclipsrs who want to create cinematic footage upload 24p timelines onto RUclips. 99 % of people are watching YT on either their smartphone or a tablet/computer screen, and those screens are 60 Hz in most cases - and as you mention, 60 does not evenly divide by 24, so the result is a 3:2 pulldown that makes it look choppy. Most obvious when there are pans or other major movement involved, that's why in drone footage it's critical. 24p on YT would only make sense if "choppy" was an integral attribute of cinematic footage. But I think it is not. 30p with a shutter speed that floats somewhere around the 180 degree shutter rule will give you the most cinematic look - on smartphones and computer screens, at least.
As always, Thank You Mike!! This information is exactly what I needed! I have always shot in 30fps / 60ss with my MA. I've been contemplating about going with 24fps due to having the new GoPro Hero10 and iPhone 13 Pro Max. Shooting in 30fps will now be my normal.... As a FCPX user, everything you said makes perfect sense and I can't thank you enough for this video! THANK YOU!! 👍😊
Hi Mike, thank you very much for this video. Is this specific video on a 30 p timeline, right? Because you also talk about shooting in 30 p and putting it in a 24 p timeline..... which works very well if slowed down to 80 % BUT this 24 p timeline will then again be stuttering on a standard 60 Hz monitor (smartphone, tablet, computer monitor). So for RUclips purposes, 30 p makes the most sense. And I guess, this videos is on a 30 p timeline. Right?
Wow I got a new drone & I saw this exact jittering issue and came to this video! Such a short & crisp video to improve knowledge :)
I shoot in 30 or 60 and use a 24fps timeline..smooth as butter. Nice video Mike
Good to know someone else is doing that too :))
Depends if it's for cinema or tv
Great video Mike. Yeah, I have noticed that Hollywood movies either shoot straight on forward and backward, side to side, rise up and lower down, corner to corner. You do not see much of the circular rotation around a point of interest too much and if you do they keep the radial speed very very slow as 24fps can not keep up with the rotational speed of objects moving through the frame. It is just too fast for smooth transitions in each frame. You can do a test and film in 24 fps second and do a point of interest at a very slow rate and then a quicker rate, you will see the skipping effect once you hit a certain radial speed. That radial speed depends on what is in the frame and how far away it is, the farther away it is the faster it moves and the more likely it will start to skip at 24 frames a second. It will happen at any frame rate, but at 24 fps you will notice it sooner. Great video.
Great video and legit advice. You can always slow the clip down from 30fps to 24fps, but you CAN'T go the other way.
I'm hooked on 60fps myself but your thoughts on 30fps in a 24fps timeline has me thinking. Will do that in my next video. Thanks for the tip sir!
My pleasure:)
Is this an option for the Mavic Mini ??
I cannot decide yet until you show the difference of videos 24 fps compared to 30 fps. Please show a comparison
Great video Mike 👊👊💥
Glad you enjoyed it man!
Great advice - EXACTLY what I was experiencing!!! Low height, motion, 24 FPS is jittery......I'm going to 30 FPS - thank you!!!!
Glad it helped!
That gittering can be because your main camera is set to 30 fps in the timeline and drone is 24fps then it's trying to make up frames which does that as gittering as well.. all depends on what the timeline is set at
Good info! I don't have a drone, but if I did, I would use lower frame rates for the big scenic shots. If I had one that was following me while doing action, I would get up to 60fps, if it had the ability. For mountain biking, I shoot at 60fps on the action camera. Much smoother and video quality is excellent.
Very helpful video, thank you. What drones are you using in this video could you tell?
Awesome Video Bro, greetings from Malaysia
as someone who still doesnt really know what theyre doing even after years of shooting drone footage, thats why i still use 50fps. I can drop it in post, but still get 'some' slowmo at x2 (or even a little more) because i have more frames to begin with, if i spot something i wasnt planning to do slowmo with.
so if I want to convert my 30fps down to 24fps I am forced to have the whole footage slowed down? Any way to keep full speed and convert to 24fps?
Excellent tutorial as always Mike. I have always tended to ratchet up the fps, but what you presented makes total sense. I can't wait to get the test videos created this weekend and see what they show. Thanks
It was also annoying me the jittering of 24 fps, but I was, like you said, sacrifiting the shoot for a unreasable rule... until now! you encouraged me to turn it to 30fps, that what makes me happy, smooth movements! so very thanks! Maybe drone’s camera are not developed enought to get cinematic 24 fps shoots. I can talk about dji mini 2.
Thanks Mike. You don't mention that we're still presented with NTSC (US. / 30fps) and PAL (Europe & Asia 25fps). But the need to adhere to these has long past as they were for the old cathode ray TV sets and the Mains electrical frequency, which is irrelevant for modern displays. So there's nothing wrong for Europeans to be shooting in 30fps and that's why I do too...😎👍🏻 Cheers, Ian in London.
@Saw Johnnie Just did 👍🏻
I'm a newbie with drones which is why I'm devouring YT content on the subject. I will say however that I came to the conclusion that shooting footage on my motorcycle looks really good shot at 30fps and slowed down to 24 and will try the same with the drone.
Great video thanks for sharing bud I was flying my drone at 30fps and I noticed that when i uploaded it to my RUclips channel and seen the cars were choppy and wasn't to happy so i will be shooting in two different frames from no on and then I will be able to get the best out of the two of them thanks for the tips and information and keep safe and fly safe bud 👍👍👍👍👍
When I first got my drone, I do don’t know about frame rates etc, so just thought “why not just use 4K60” as the highest quality is best.
But once I found out about fps, and the 180 degree look.
Now I always shoot in 25fps, and 1/50 shutter after buying a load of Freewell filters.
It’s made my footage look so much better. Made all the difference between amateur and professional level shots.
I’ve been told that here in the uk, it should always be 25fps, and if I was in the states it would be 24fps. Something to do with frequency of electricity in the different countries or something.
Weird, but I can tell how much better my footage is.
& even been using 1080p 25fps & the footage is loads nicer.
Hi Mike, I was since ever shooting in 25fps; the european PAL TV standard,. A few more months ago, because of the Spark, I discovered the same, 30fps is better. Than I switched to 30fps on all my other drones and all other cameras.
what about 60 fps for Dji Fpv , what the best frame to use for Final cut pro ?
Great video learned a lot thanks
Thanks Mike!
Will try it next time I’m out flying! Just prefer the warmer weather!
I'm here because even at 30fps I get that sort of jittery footage and I see @3:10 you also have that problem.
It's not THAT buttery smooth actually just like me (when panning fairly fast).
I'm going to try 48fps to see if I can get rid of it.
Thanks for sharing brother, I'll give it a try and see if it will work for me. Wow this video was from 5 years ago. I wonder if the advice you gave works today in 2024.
Yep! Same advice :)
@@DroneSupremacy okay thank you!🙏🏽
Thanks man. One thing. Dji dron shooting not in 24 frames per secon, but in 23,97. Try to set your project in 23.97 fps, and look, will you have that jitter when you shoot at 24 fps, or not. I try this, and jitter has gone. Same thing with 30 fps, the project fps have to by set for 29.97 fps.
very useful, thanks! 🙂
I found that 30fps fits my desires better. 24fps gets gittery sometimes.
Which video editing sotfware did you use?
Final Cut Pro X!
Does the drone's shutter speed matter in this scenario?
What settings would you choose on the mavic 2 zoom in 1080p? I'm looking for settings raw out of the camera and I want to stay with 1080p so I can take advantage of the 4 x zoom. Thanks
Are there any alternative softwares to Final cut pro? I am looking to do it in my Windows PC and Final cut is only for Mac !
Check out Davinci Resolve, it's free and it's awesome
Helo mate I have mavic pro ...my footage looks like bit stuck n go n keeps on going same all video I mean it’s not smooth going video.. any help?
Great information. Thanks a lot
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the explanation! But wouldn't it be better if filming in 50fps/60fps and importing on a 24/25 timeline? Isnt it the same look afterwards? Plus you can slow down the footage even more? What speaks against it? Thanks
Hermano Mike, gracias! I have been wrestling with this issue with tissue. Your thought are super valuable then. God bless you. 💛😊
I think 30 fps makes the most sense. So often video is ever so slightly slowed down to give it that cinematic look, which as you mentioned can be slowed to 24 fps if shot in 30 fps. But if shot in 24 fps, slowing down isn't possible without introducing strange effects. Think I'll plan to stick with 30.
Hi Mike, when taking panning shots it's even better to go to 48 fps. I always got quite some jitter with my Spark, so I stopped making these type of shots (which are btw not so cinematic too). Now with my Anafi and 48 fps while circling a POI it works great. Thanks👍
If i slow down 25fps is a problem? I need to work on 25fps
Hello my Friend, A question please... I'm flying a Yuneec Q500 4K But my computer and T.V. monitor can't handle 4K videos.. My T.V. monitor is 1080p so when i switched my 4K camera settings to 1920 by 1080 by 30 fps. the videos are awesome!! and watchable on my computer and T.V. monitor.. My Question is: "Is this what you would recommend for Me? I fly at my local park, no more than around 200 feet and just want the best and most clear and real looking videos... i dont know anything about "Shutter speed" White Balance... and so on... Thanks for your advice... And i learned from your video!! Thank you!!
Thanks a lot for the tip. I have been dealing with stuttering videos on my Mavic Pro 2 since a month, guess I have found the answer to my doubts. Hope to see more about this kind of info. Greetings from Italy
Good tip but I have a question: How does it affect the shutter speed rule? By slowing down the footage you slow down the time it takes to swap between frames but the morion blur of each individual frame cant be changed. Would you please mind to elaborate on that? 😁
Good morning. One question to ask: I live in Europe (Greece - phantom 4 pro v1) that we have Pal system. In Pal there is the possibility in 25 fps and 50fps. If I set it to NTSC for to get 30fps that you recommend will I have a problem with image and project editing? I want to follow your advice to pull at 30fps or leave it at 25fps with Pal system;
Thanks for the tip!
I habe experience this problem , whenever i record in 24 fps i have a stuttering video its unusable , when i swit h to 30 the lroblem is gone , so its fps and drone is ok ?
30fps is better for most of us who will mostly play our videos on a digital screen. 24fps is not compatible with digital monitors/screens' refresh rate of 60Hz.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts about Frame Rates. 👍🏼
If you could only choose one. Would it be the mavic air. Or parrot anafi. The anafi is down to 549.00 US. Do you think that it's a good deal???
Air 100%!
Drone Supremacy Why... see no reply.. never a reason as to why.... 🤔🤔🤔😳
Roger St martin the hasselblad lens, bigger sensor, 10 bit h265 color, no fixed aperture, anti collision sensors and much longer range in crowded area etc, etc. Need I say more? 😁
for me, i just got a sony zv e10. before that i'm only using 2 smartphones (samsung galaxy j7 prime and oppo f1s) both with native cams set at 30 fps. since i only have (now) just one camera and there will be times that i might need to use the phones, i set the zv e10's camera to 30 fps as well, to match with the phone footage, and no problem with premiere pro 30 fps timeline. but for slomo, i've seen a number of youtube videos with 60 fps slowmo is more dramatic/cinematic (and for normal human actions and speed), while just use 120 fps for very fast moving subjects.
Hi My M2P Jitters as you show at 3:54 at 4k 24fps and also at 4k 30fps ! I am using good nd's and my shutter speed just X 2 of FPS ...What is your SD card ? Mine is Sandisk 64gb A2, Read160 MB/S, Write 60MB/S. I cant find a solution...your shots seems very smooth and for me can be done only if i have 60fps at 2k or lower..... What is your suggestion ?
Thanks for your responce
Isn't the issues of jitter caused by rolling shutter? 24fps was the industry standard back in the day when cameras were mounted on tripods and were mostly super stabilised. I think if you have any camera movement (like a drone) you should shoot at a higher fps and then slow it down or convert to 24fps in post.
are you saying shoot 30fps and export as 30fps? or shoot 30fps and export to 24fps?
Tq. That the answer I'm looking for
Thanks for this!! The tip of 80% flowering speed is crucial! What a difference.. Say "Ciao" to the jittery stuff!
flowering speed ? what do you mean ?
What if I want normal speed after doing this? Can I film in 30p, interpret footage to 24p, then change speed to 125% to get back to normal speed in the 24p timeline?
great content as always! do you happen to have any tips on working with mastershots and hyperlapses from the mavic 3? how do you export those and ensure they are in the right quality to upload to fb, ig ?
Would it be OK to film a video talking head in 30 frames per second then export to 24 frames per second for RUclips?
I’m starting a RUclips! channel soon!
I totally agree with what you are saying and personally, I've always felt this way myself. I have never subscribed to the 24 fps rule, thank you for reassuring me that I am not doing something wrong.
To me! hahaha
Thank you for the tip! I never thought about this before.
I can totally see the "jittery" thing you're talking about at 24 fps, in fact I can see it at 30 fps as well, but at 30 fps it's not distracting. At 24 fps it's almost annoying.
you are absolutely right
This video is missing the whole technical reason why 30FPS looks so much smoother than 24FPS on a computer screen. That is because of common refresh rates of computer screens. Smartphones and computer screens have a refresh rate of 60 hertz, meaning 30 frames per second. So a mismatch between screen refresh rate and you're footage will always cause stutter. Same goes for footage shooted in 50 FPS. 50 FPS used to be and still is a common setting for digital camera's especially in PAL regions. Always reset your camera to NTSC, to match computer/smartphone screen refresh frequencys. The whole 25/50FPS thing is not applicable anymore and is a legacy thing from the days television screens in PAL regions where refreshing at the speed of the current.. So 30 looks better because of it matches your computers refresh rate. 50 will also look worse than 30..
hi mate what is the best for mavic air 1080 30 or 24 ty
Thank you so so much 😉🚁👌📸
Thanks, Mike. Just to clarify, can I import 30fps, edit in a 24fps timeline and export the 24fps, or, would I edit in a 30fps timeline and export 24? Cheers
if you want 24fps "end" product - you should edit in 24fps timeline, just make sure if your footage is shot in 30fps you slow it down to 80% so it fits the 24fps timeline well.
@@DroneSupremacy Ahh, Thank you 👍
@@DroneSupremacy i tried it, but the video is still jerky...what can i do?
@@DroneSupremacy you are wrong here! By slowing down 80%, your video will not be real-time live look. If you still want realtime look, just stick with 100% speed. What the software does is to discard 1frame every 5 frames, its called re-sampling. This is how 30fps clip works on 24fps timeline.
@@stefanofilmmkr film in 30 p and put it on a 30 p timeline. Only 30 p (and 60 p, if you want that look) is going to look judderfree on standard smartphone/tablet/computer displays because they refresh at 60 Hz.
What about 25p, is there also jutter?
I totally agree with you.
It's a lot of drone videos on RUclips who are filmed in higher fps and post in lover that give the terrible jitter.
I want to see smooth videos otherwise I missing the moment in them.
My first videos I did was recorded in 30 fps because that's the fps I was recommended from my RUclipsrs.
And of course my film have jitter specially the closeup clip.
I took a bit of my clip and make a second clip in 30 fps and it looks perfect.
Now I always use 30 fps :)
great points man! 30 makes the most sense to me. I have a video I uploaded on my channel that would of been great if it didn't chop as much as it does. it's titled "Cheaha State Park
" it's a prime example as to WHY I'm going to move to 30fps and mod in post
i dont really understand the difference between shooting in 24 fps and exporting it in 24fps or shooting it in 30fps and exporting it in 24fps as well. How can it look smoother if you watch the same 24 frames moving in 1s of film later? Is is not the watching speed ( 24fps) that makes the footage shaky? what happens if you just slow down the shutter a bit under the 180 rule to ad a little more motion blur?
it gets slower because now you have 30 images per second into 24... there are more images... so in essence 1 second of timeline will be equivalent to 0.8 seconds
Good info. I am also thinking the 24fps might save space on my phone (file size) I just bought a DJI mini-2. I subscribed to you!... Mike WG7D
thanks for the video men!
Thanks for the tip! I'm doing my happy dance now! 😁
could you tell me why my Mavic pro also has a stutterring / jittering video in 24 fps ? is it normal ? just because there is not enough frame rates to deliveer the smooth video ? the problem dispapears like in your case in 4k30 fps
The problem with jittery 24fps is what is displaying it. What you’re seeing is poor playback on your display. If you play a 24fps video on a 60Hz display, it will have judder. If you play the same 24fps on a 120Hz display (tv), voila, no judder. 30fps will play correctly on both 60Hz and 120Hz. Turns out it’s a simple math problem.
Will be giving it a try thanks 👍
How about converting 60fps to 24fps ..has this been explored ?
Thanks for the analysis and the advice. 30 FPS it is!!
Hi! If you shot the scene at 30fps to get it in a 24p timeline, do you choose 1/48 or 1/60 shutterspeed? I hope i will have an answer since the video is pretty old. Thanks for the good content anyway!
1/60! The shutter is important in relation to what frame rate you’re shooting in, not what you plan to edit in. Good luck 🙌🏼
@@DroneSupremacy thanks!
Congratulations on the video! Won one more subscriber!
Yeah, you are right tho, its ok to shoot in 30fps with our drones, and works fine when you do slowmo and render it to 24fps. 24fps is best for natural and cinematic look based from movies, tv programs and history of film making.
Good video man! I also notice big difference between 24 and 30 but I was thinking Im wrong maybe as I'm new to drones :) After this video for sure will move on 30fps 😎 Thanks for explanation
Finally explained so well! Thanks so much
Always 30 fps for me because i ´m not so good with editing.
Give better footage right off the bat.
Good video ty
DJI 24fps is actually 23.976, which is not the same as 24fps. Same for 30, its actually recording at 29.97.
thanks Mike, Merry Christmas :)