Jsb pellets are pure lead with no antimony unlike most other modern pellets and are notorious for not penetrating as well. Good idea for a test but get pellets with the same density so it's fair and you have real results. My guns with equal weight pellets, the antimony pellets blast right through steel cans much easier while the pure lead is too soft to penetrate well. The one thing I didn't see you mention that I noticed is the difference in how it shocked the cans and how far they went. The main effect of momentum is a bowling type effect so that would be a good thing to measure, how far it knocks it back.
In regards to impacts on steel targets, mild or AR plate: over decades of shooting I can tell you velocity damages them more. An example: At 100 yards even on a hard AR500 plate a 338 Lapua with over 5000 ft/lbs energy (~2700 fps) doesn't even put a pit on the surface, where a 223 over 3000 fps or a 22-250 near 4000 fps (~1200 ft/lbs) does. Mild steel can be shot with thousands of handgun rounds but one shot from a 30/30 will blow right through. Great video, I've been jumping into these pcp guns and having a blast also.
Energy equals mass at the speed of light squared. Higher velocity increases mass and energy. You saw it. Einstein was correct. I always choose higher velocity ammo over slower heaver ammo. But hey, I'm only an expert marksman... Choose what works best for your guns.
great video, Is that energy from the 22 pellet that you need to kill if you miss by a little bit with 177 you don't have a kill, because it's straight through and through where the shockwave of the energy off the 22 pellet will kill them.
For metal and bone, there is a "threshold velocity" required to punch through, regardless of energy or momentum. Your heavier pellet was too slow to penetrate steel well.
Nice video pal, interesting,I've just got myself a new air riffle, it's a 22 walther terrus, just trying to fine tune it for best action, you still making videos? I'd like to know how to clean the gun and barrel and what products are best to use 👍
For penetration the relevant data you want is the energy divided by the cross-sectional diameter. The larger the number the better it will penetrate. So the two main items that control these factors is the velocity your projectile leaves the gun, and how long your projectile is. Longer, faster projectiles penetrate better than shorter, slower ones.
These pellets have the same diameter, the pellet with greater energy was the heavier pellet yet it didn't penetrate better. Interesting to think about what's going on
Would be interesting to know the difference between the alloys used to make the pellets - as they're from two different manufacturers, chances are that they didn't use the same percentages of lead/antimony, so one pellet is possibly harder than the other.
Nice work bud.👍 Your efforts are much appreciated. This series is will be interesting to watch and follow. You have good taste in affordable PCPs...Love my AT44s. Eagle Claw looks & seems badass also.👌 I am new to your channel and appreciate the genuine approach to finding answers that come up in our journey with these amazing airguns. I am now subscribed and rang that bell.👍Looks like you and I have the same surroundings...Woods and agriculture. Best place for airguns IMO..🙌 Love to see the Cummins hat too buddy...I have a 2012 4th Gen. quad cab with 8' bed. Deleted. Hasn't let me down yet!! Can't beat that in-line motor reliability!! 💪🤓
Thanks, My AT44 Long has definitely been a great airgun over the four or five years I have hunted with it( mostly squirrel, rabbit and occasional raccoon.) Thanks for noticing the hat, I have a 98.5 24 valve quad cab 8 foot bed 4 inch straight pipe with QuadZila tuner and fass lift pump. 230,000 miles still looks and starts like new. Probably the best truck I will ever get to own.
@@thesylvanshadow4223 Yeeeeeah buddy...👊😎 Those metal Hatsan mags with the locating pin and the ability to rotate the mag while in the breech (I noticed you do that before shooting like a natural..👌) is just as awesome as you can get...🙌
I believe your test is flawed. JSB pellets are very soft lead. So they will deform quickly upon contact. Thus limiting penetration. You will have to test with the same type of lead and same pellet head. For instance, you can't test hollow points against domed. Crossman and H&N are harder lead. But since you already have JSB monsters. You should try JSB 15gr domed against them. Also consider testing at different distance. The monsters have a higher ballistic coefficient and should hold power better downrange. Liked and subscribed. Looking forward to seeing more 👍🎯
If it satisfies your curiosity the 13.1 hatsans are similar to the JSB monsters in hardness and are almost half the weight and both are dome points which is part of why they were chosen for this test. Also the same brand will use different alloys for different pellets, example; H&N HP slugs are extremely soft. Thanks for all the effort to write that long comment, thanks for watching.
@@thesylvanshadow4223 Actually JSB pellets use the same lead. If you are testing. You need to compare apples to apples. It actually takes me no effort to make a comment.
I have a .177 nitro piston claiming 1200 fps, barely makes a dent in my shitbox Just bought a .25 Air Venturi, one pellet almost penetrates, the second pellet in the same hole easily shatters the window inside
Try the same on the fx impact either mk2 or3 ... results wud be grt to compare ...fpe of both type of rifles being different ...👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻pls do make a vid with that on mind
@@drywallman1986 You don't really understand what he was testing here, a heavier pellet with a slower speed can have the same power as a light pellet with a high speed. Read the title ffs. its about getting the output energy equal, not the muzzle speed.
Have you ever met someone with an extremely high metabolism? You obviously have no clue about the physical variances within living organisms.🤦🏻♂️ SMFH
Im not a betting man and I don’t know the fella but if I had to guess, my guess would be - that thin young man eats a LOT of food. He will thicken out if that’s how his body is supposed to be. I’ve known some guys like this fella who although very very thin where strong as hell.
I did something similar using .308 and .223. I took two rounds with similar fpe but different velocities and looked at their TKO ratings. The .308 (reduced load) had a TKO of “10”. The .223 round (slightly reduced load) had a TKO of 5. TKO is basically a momentum score. Is shot both at a medium size game analog simulating bone & soft tissue. The results are interesting. I’m not sure the results match your test but take a look. ruclips.net/video/JMKyVkX1hAk/видео.htmlsi=y78ZMOJdqwlnfQ-x
Good test. Keep em comin
Jsb pellets are pure lead with no antimony unlike most other modern pellets and are notorious for not penetrating as well. Good idea for a test but get pellets with the same density so it's fair and you have real results. My guns with equal weight pellets, the antimony pellets blast right through steel cans much easier while the pure lead is too soft to penetrate well.
The one thing I didn't see you mention that I noticed is the difference in how it shocked the cans and how far they went. The main effect of momentum is a bowling type effect so that would be a good thing to measure, how far it knocks it back.
In regards to impacts on steel targets, mild or AR plate: over decades of shooting I can tell you velocity damages them more. An example: At 100 yards even on a hard AR500 plate a 338 Lapua with over 5000 ft/lbs energy (~2700 fps) doesn't even put a pit on the surface, where a 223 over 3000 fps or a 22-250 near 4000 fps (~1200 ft/lbs) does. Mild steel can be shot with thousands of handgun rounds but one shot from a 30/30 will blow right through.
Great video, I've been jumping into these pcp guns and having a blast also.
Energy equals mass at the speed of light squared. Higher velocity increases mass and energy. You saw it. Einstein was correct. I always choose higher velocity ammo over slower heaver ammo. But hey, I'm only an expert marksman... Choose what works best for your guns.
From my experience my . 177 has dropped more squirrels/rabbits dead in their tracks than any of my .22 cal pellet guns 30 to 40yrds.
I kinda believe that 177 is more deadly than 22 when placed right and the right pellet like a hn hornet at 955fps at a coon maybe 15 yrs away
Yea,but anything bigger u can forget with 0.177 bb crap...
Thanks for showing the velocity and grain and perfect target for penetration test 🍻
Bought some 21 grain heavy pellets that shoot all over the place. Best I have found are Gamo Rockets with the steel BB.
Best accuracy and penetration.
Really enjoy your tests, I am subscribed and can't wait to see more. Very good job, great shooting. Cheers from Arizona 👍😎
great video, Is that energy from the 22 pellet that you need to kill if you miss by a little bit with 177 you don't have a kill, because it's straight through and through where the shockwave of the energy off the 22 pellet will kill them.
For metal and bone, there is a "threshold velocity" required to punch through, regardless of energy or momentum. Your heavier pellet was too slow to penetrate steel well.
Just look at the damage whole between the two. That larger pellet dumped a lot more energy.
Nice video pal, interesting,I've just got myself a new air riffle, it's a 22 walther terrus, just trying to fine tune it for best action, you still making videos? I'd like to know how to clean the gun and barrel and what products are best to use 👍
If you did the test at longer range, the heavier pellet should bennefit more, because it should have better energy retention.
For penetration the relevant data you want is the energy divided by the cross-sectional diameter. The larger the number the better it will penetrate. So the two main items that control these factors is the velocity your projectile leaves the gun, and how long your projectile is. Longer, faster projectiles penetrate better than shorter, slower ones.
These pellets have the same diameter, the pellet with greater energy was the heavier pellet yet it didn't penetrate better. Interesting to think about what's going on
Higher velocity increases mass. That is what is going on. Physics. Study it. I choose the higher velocity. More power. Period.
@@peterbaugh51 You are shooting close to the speed of light?
We are looking for knock down power testing. A good test would be hitting a golf ball or something and seeing which pellet sends it further
What kind of gun is the wood one nice gun how much. An name id like 2 get 1
It’s the Seneca EagleClaw in 22 caliber. Review coming soon so stay tuned. Thanks for commenting.
@@thesylvanshadow4223 hello what kind of gun is your wood 1
I see a big disadvantage in heavy pellets here. Much less muzzle velocity = less flat shooting...
Perfect my friend..😃👍
Thanks for coming back
Would be interesting to know the difference between the alloys used to make the pellets - as they're from two different manufacturers, chances are that they didn't use the same percentages of lead/antimony, so one pellet is possibly harder than the other.
I think the performance against barriers involves a lot of complex dynamics, projectile shape matters.
great and interesting angle on the subject of fpe and pellets 👍🔫🇸🇪
Nice work bud.👍 Your efforts are much appreciated. This series is will be interesting to watch and follow. You have good taste in affordable PCPs...Love my AT44s. Eagle Claw looks & seems badass also.👌 I am new to your channel and appreciate the genuine approach to finding answers that come up in our journey with these amazing airguns. I am now subscribed and rang that bell.👍Looks like you and I have the same surroundings...Woods and agriculture. Best place for airguns IMO..🙌 Love to see the Cummins hat too buddy...I have a 2012 4th Gen. quad cab with 8' bed. Deleted. Hasn't let me down yet!! Can't beat that in-line motor reliability!! 💪🤓
Thanks, My AT44 Long has definitely been a great airgun over the four or five years I have hunted with it( mostly squirrel, rabbit and occasional raccoon.) Thanks for noticing the hat, I have a 98.5 24 valve quad cab 8 foot bed 4 inch straight pipe with QuadZila tuner and fass lift pump. 230,000 miles still looks and starts like new. Probably the best truck I will ever get to own.
@@thesylvanshadow4223 Yeeeeeah buddy...👊😎 Those metal Hatsan mags with the locating pin and the ability to rotate the mag while in the breech (I noticed you do that before shooting like a natural..👌) is just as awesome as you can get...🙌
@@thesylvanshadow4223 6.7 liter 24 valve for the win!! Braaaaaaaap!!
With a pellets 18,13?
totally agree.... speed matters in penetration
I believe your test is flawed.
JSB pellets are very soft lead. So they will deform quickly upon contact. Thus limiting penetration.
You will have to test with the same type of lead and same pellet head. For instance, you can't test hollow points against domed.
Crossman and H&N are harder lead.
But since you already have JSB monsters. You should try JSB 15gr domed against them.
Also consider testing at different distance. The monsters have a higher ballistic coefficient and should hold power better downrange.
Liked and subscribed.
Looking forward to seeing more 👍🎯
If it satisfies your curiosity the 13.1 hatsans are similar to the JSB monsters in hardness and are almost half the weight and both are dome points which is part of why they were chosen for this test. Also the same brand will use different alloys for different pellets, example; H&N HP slugs are extremely soft. Thanks for all the effort to write that long comment, thanks for watching.
@@thesylvanshadow4223 Actually JSB pellets use the same lead.
If you are testing. You need to compare apples to apples.
It actually takes me no effort to make a comment.
Then is a .177 pellet rifle superior to a .22 or .25?
I have a .177 nitro piston claiming 1200 fps, barely makes a dent in my shitbox
Just bought a .25 Air Venturi, one pellet almost penetrates, the second pellet in the same hole easily shatters the window inside
Why did you shoot them so slow? That seneca is cable of much more.
I needed the light and heavy pellets to have the same ft-lb of energy. This combo of pellets and power level was the closest I could get.
Nice!👍👍👍
Weight = stopping power not penetrating power,
That's how I see it,
Max power full power to start all test, but make sure the accuracy is spot on!
Just a suggestion
Try the same on the fx impact either mk2 or3 ... results wud be grt to compare ...fpe of both type of rifles being different ...👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻pls do make a vid with that on mind
The .177 is a monster
Very nice 👌 👍
Same as regular guns and armor. Speed defeats armor.
That's a whopping 20 fpe from the muzzle
muito bom este teste
Obrigada(Thank You)
It was going too slow. If speeds were even it would be a different story.
If speeds were even they would have a different muzzle energy because of the weight difference.
@@dutchsailor6620 duh exactly what I'm saying
@dutchsailor6620 take an 18 grain pellet and shoot it 900 fps then shoot a 25.39 900 big difference
@@drywallman1986 You don't really understand what he was testing here, a heavier pellet with a slower speed can have the same power as a light pellet with a high speed. Read the title ffs. its about getting the output energy equal, not the muzzle speed.
@@dutchsailor6620 I was stating my own fact irrelevant too the post yall block heads
Next time do it please from a proper range , at least 25yrd best 35-40yrd with more powerful air rifle
👍👍
Quick energy dump
Get yourself an FX chrony
Much easier to use.
Ballistics so happens to be a very confusing science.
Good work still mate, just improve your commentary lol
Dude, have a sandwich. Even your belt wants to fall down around your ankles.
Have you ever met someone with an extremely high metabolism? You obviously have no clue about the physical variances within living organisms.🤦🏻♂️ SMFH
Don't worry about that. You will gain enough unnecessary weight when turning over 30.
@@judith_herault so true i stayed at 170 lbs all my 20's but hit my 30's and have not been able to drop under 180 my heaviest was 205 lbs.
Im not a betting man and I don’t know the fella but if I had to guess, my guess would be - that thin young man eats a LOT of food. He will thicken out if that’s how his body is supposed to be. I’ve known some guys like this fella who although very very thin where strong as hell.
I did something similar using .308 and .223. I took two rounds with similar fpe but different velocities and looked at their TKO ratings. The .308 (reduced load) had a TKO of “10”. The .223 round (slightly reduced load) had a TKO of 5. TKO is basically a momentum score. Is shot both at a medium size game analog simulating bone & soft tissue. The results are interesting. I’m not sure the results match your test but take a look.
ruclips.net/video/JMKyVkX1hAk/видео.htmlsi=y78ZMOJdqwlnfQ-x