Do you not understand that for that to be there, it would HAVE to be included in the next shot where we are seeing the same exact angle, but much higher up?
The debate over the Californian will go on forever. What is important to remember are the heroic efforts of the Carpathia, Captain Rostron and his great crew. Rostron was born for that moment. He turned the Carpathia around, gave dozens of orders, got his ship to move faster than it ever did...zigzagging around icebergs, set up aid stations on board and pulled off a miracle for the ages.
Hell and even the Olympic. Though she was far, as soon as they heard the wireless they parted straigh away to help her sister which to this day I find to just be fucking awesome. Sad how she knew she would just be to late anyways. But I agree
He's my great great uncle. I'm surprised anyone other than historians know of him because his credit to saving survivors is almost unheard of these days.
Apparently the Carpathia's passengers were really worried. All they were initially told was to stay in their cabins. The ship started vibrating as its engines ran at maximum speed and they could hear the lifeboats being prepared and swung out.
Commander Gaming no, she's actually just referring to the Titanic. The Californian was not seen in this clip at all, the video maker is simply clutching at straws
Cameron's film is visually and Special effects wise terrific, but other than that the acting is just fair and the awful love and lust of Winslet and Decaprio throughout the film puts a negative into the story. And not including enough about the Carpathia and especially the Californian kills the movie! And let's not even get into the awarding by the academy of 11 oscars, that in itself is rediculous! Ben Hur and West Side Story are much better and deserved their enormous awards! Cameron's Titanic is a good film don't get me wrong, but A Night to Remember from 1958 is much better and very faithful to the whole story, No Questions about it either Period?!!!!
Eva Hart, the youngest survivor of the Titanic to recall the accident, said this about the Californian: "I saw the ship. and it wasn't just a light on the horizon, you could see that it was a ship."
@@TheColinChapman i mean she was seven years old and, given the fact that nobody else said they could tell it was a ship, i'm kinda doubtful that's what she saw.
I've read stories about how more a week after the Titanic sank, there were other passing ships in the area that would be stuck by high waves that still carried the dead bodies of some of Titanic's passengers. Some of these frozen bodies would slam against the hull of these ships and float away still in their life preservers
It is so subtle, I could imagine that not being an intentional light. But rather just a rotoscoping mistake. The stars were all cgi, so this could have come from a mask not being precise for one keyframe. I just have a hard time believing this little pixel change is intentional. But I really liked this video and you finding that. Thumbs up!
2:18 good god........one of my worst fears is being left alone, especially in a time of need.....that shot of the Titanic half sunk, in the middle of a black ocean with nothing on the horizon......no hope of surviving......it sends chills down my spine.....
Another scene to look for in the 1997 movie is when the camera pans across the sinking ship from the stern to the bow. In it, you can see the mast lights atop the end cabs on the bridge flashing. Captain Smith ordered this to get the Californian's attention along with firing the rockets.
The Californian was close. That's why the Titanic wireless operator told his Californian counterpart to shut up. The signal nearly broke his eardrums. The Titanic's demise was self-inflicted. They were warned seven ways from Sunday, and they disregarded every clue. And sadly, they paid dearly for that.
Your comment is hilarious, their voyage wasn't even going to last seven days they started their voyage at 10th of April Wendsday and was going to end at 16th, also marconi machine broke down in the 13th and caused Philips to work on it for 7 hours straigth and he had to send STACKS of passenger messages and he had priorities and he was still working on clearing that stack so he could finnaly have some sleep so when Californian (rudely)interupted Philips told him to shut up, also Californians marconi machine was too weak to come as a loud noise and it just disturbed Philips, and he already has received like a dozen ice warnings and had succesfully passed them to the captain. Also Titanic was not in imediate danger so she kept steaming full ahead that was the common practise at the time.
@@aviationlover3613 he said "seven WAYS from sunday" meaning more ways than one. Not literally Sunday or the time of their trip. They were warned multiple times.
I know I might be of the minority, but I think it's important to remember that Cameron's version of the Titanic is focused more on the romantic fictional story of Jack and Rose; while maintaining a pretty accurate reflection on the sinking of the ship. However, more minor details like the Californian being many miles away on the horizon were probably not of primary concern.
And that,s what kills Cameron's film. Winslet and Decaprio were featured too damn much and not showing the Californian and the Carpathia in detail is why this film was terribly Overrated! And 11 Academy Awards? Are you kidding! West Side Story and Ben Hur were much more deserving of their enormous awards than 1997s Titanic!!!!!
There are many things wrong with the romance of jack and Rose and the opening se scene. passengers were never allowed on the focsle let alone climbing the jackstaff and waffling on about being the king of the World.
What I wonder is would the Californian have been able to reach them in time without hitting an iceberg and sinking also? They did say that they were surrounded by ice and tried to warn Titanic about the icebergs.
Ofcourse. If it was this close it couldve made IT easily on time. And about those icebergs. They knew they were there so also easier to go around and Just dont go as fast as normal.
Captain Stanley Lord did one thing correct that night: He stopped and waited until dawn to find his way around the huge ice field. It's too bad Captain Smith didn't do the same. It's been suggested to me that the Californian may well have not been able to get to the Titanic dodging around all the ice in the ocean. Also, for him to fire up his boilers, get steam up and try to thread his way through the ice, he may not have made it anyway. That doesn't mean he shouldn't have at least turned on his radio to try to find out what was going on. That's what baffles me the most.
I see what you're saying but the Californian would have been able to get to the Titanic before the Carpathia which was 58 miles away and took four hours to get to where the Titanic sank to pick up the survivors. Had the Californian came to the Titanic's rescue, it could've saved more than 705 people. The part about turning off the radio is something odd tho.
@@Firemarioflower No, they didn't. It was bad business to turn up early since the passengers made hotel and travel arrangements that relied on the ship arriving in port on the advertised day. There would have been a lot of displeased passengers had she turned up ahead of schedule. The only newsworthy thing that would have came out of Titanic's voyage was that she was actually on course to beat the average speed that Olympic achieved on her own maiden voyage.
If the Californian's engines were stopped, there would have been no power to supply electricity to the wireless. Evans had been asleep for almost an hour when the first rocket was fired. His ship had been stopped for longer than that. He was aboard a ship that was not carrying passengers on this trip. I don't know for certain, but I would wager that his apparatus needed some down-time in order to re-charge. One small fact that many people overlook is that of ths ships that were out on the Atlantic that night, every other one of them made it into port.
+1867Phoenix And the bow sinks too late and the bridge too fast. Also, no crowds were gathered around collapisbles A and B. only officer LIghtoller and other crew member can be seen struggling to get them ready while the water washes over the forward boat deck. But there were also 5 women and other passengers who were ready to get into the boats but they aren't there. And the ship was christianed with a bottle of champagne during the launch. In reality, that didn't happen at all.
+1867Phoenix Many survivor's were not believed when they said the ship broke in half until the wreckage was found, It's awful after what they went through to then be called liars for years by people who weren't there.
Bumming Bummer In all seriousness, I've never understood the obsession people have with that romance. People used to associate Titanic with a true story about a big ship that hit an iceberg and sank. Now they associate it with a generic love story that never actually happened and was thrown into the movie because God forbid James Cameron make a movie that isn't a love story. If Jack hadn't died, I don't think Jack and Rose would get half the recognition they do, because other than that it's just your typical, one-dimensional 90's characters who decide to bone after knowing each other for about 2 days.
I think it would be nice if a remake A Night to Remember was made. Now that we know so much more about how the Titanic went down compared to what was known back in 1958 and 1997, it will be like a breath of fresh air. I definitely want to see now what the new break-up theory would look like on film.
The Titanic's wire room was busy wiring stock exchange trades for their wealthy passengers when the Californian was in communication about the looming ice field they were stopped in. The frustrated Titanic wired back; "SHUT UP!" to the Californian so the wire room shut down for the night. Later on several on the deck of the Californian saw the distress rockets from the Titanic but when the sleeping captain was informed he dismissed it. Captain Stanley Lord of the Californian was exonerated from blame for any fault or wrongdoing, especially after due consideration of the facts at the Titanic inquiry.
Titanic inquirie was corrupted beyond any hope. The ship literally broke in half before the eyes of hundreds of witnesses and committee still DENIED that this happened. So you can't take results of any investigations after the disaster without great doubt.
You're leaving a bit out and changing stuff too. The frustrated, already spent 48 hours awake, Jack Phillips, was wiring messages from loved ones aboard the ship when the very close (thus very, very loud) Californian relayed the upteenth Ice Warning he received. Of course he'd tell them to shut up. Despite all that he stayed in that room until 2:17 AM. Sending out CQDs and trying to get any help. Have some respect.
If that was Cameron's idea of the Californian in the distance, he got it completely wrong. First off, the light was waaaaaay too dim. Passengers and crew reported seeing a clear light in the distance. Eva Hart described it like, "It wasn't just lights on the horizon. You could see it was a ship!" Second, the "light" in this video is in the wrong direction. The ship's light was spotted off the PORT bow, not the starboard. Sorry.....this does not help the credibility or accuracy of Cameron's movie.
Cameron actually included it in the later release and he did in fact filmed a scene that included Californian's crew(though this was later cut from the final release).The direction of the light is just a minor fault. The entire movie was filmed on a reverse angle like a mirror image. Everything was filmed in reversed. They probably didn't realized that mistake until it was already too late.
It's a minor fault actually. Since the movie was film on a reverse angle like that of a mirror image. They probably didn't realized that mistake until the movie was already been released.
I do not know for how long the ship had been stopped or if the boilers were cold. It probably would have taken some time for the Californian to get to Titanic, even if they started firing up the engines when they saw the first rockets. No they probably could not have saved everybody. Maybe not even if they had heard the distress calls on the wireless.
a 1988 documentary "Titanic Mystery" has suggested the mystery ship that Titanic was trying to signal with flares and rockets was a Norwegian sealing ship, perhaps hunting illegaly in the ice field . One of their crewman admitted many years later that they were in the area, and spotted the rockets, but thought they were rockets fired by a US Coast Guard ship on fishery patrol. Hence they never acknowledged the flares or their SOS. The Californian also saw this mystery vessel in the ice field and it too tried to signal it but again, no answer. The Californian would've been in no position to see the distress rockets of the Titanic Eventually the mystery vessel moved off, and only later did did its crew learn of the tragedy in their vicinity. it would seem to confirm why this light on the horizon stayed constant and then disappeared from view by the survivors.
ummm....So being a bit obsessed with this film i actually know what scene you can see it...when Cal grabs Rose as she turns away from boarding the life boat and she spits on him, look behind Cal's left shoulder in the distance, you can see the Californian (The lights from the ship are much easier to see than your shot) And to be fair, i wouldn't try to discredit this video, its just, i really don't see it in your shot, even when you pause it, I don't see anything.
Turn up your brightness and go full screen. You have to look reeeeeeeeal close, ikr it took me a minute but I can see it, it's very blurry but it is visible.
@@ENTERTAINMENT35 Same here. I wonder why they're playing it everyday in the month of October. I remember it was playing on three different channels at once.
James Moster no If James Cameron said himself then it’s there it’s real so your obviously not listening or skipping important parts because Californian was in both films from 1958 and 1997
>your obviously not listening He said himself that he didn't find any proof that James Cameron actually said this so I think you're the one who isn't listening.
It's so astounding; the story of Titanic just seemed like the _perfect storm_ of literally everything going wrong, at every opportunity. Just think, if the telegraphs officer on Titanic hadn't gotten upset with the Californian's telegrapher; if the Californian's officer hadn't gone to bed... But was Captain Lord really a coward who didn't want to risk his ship to provide aide? Or did he actually believe that Titanic was in no danger?
would that have really meant he was a coward though? If he genuinely believed there was danger, which there clearly was then what good would it be to have another sank ship and more people dead?
"The upset telegrapher"-myth was created from lack og knowledge of their lingo and culture. It was custom for them to joke around and be rude. They most definitely knew each other, as there wasn't many of them.
@@michaelpetersen3843 No, they definitely had a tiff. Californians telegrapher said as much when explaining why he went to bed. Something similar to what they said in the deleted scenes from the movie, "I thought he was being arrogant".
I'm sure I read somewhere (just after Cameron's film was released in '97) that James Cameron was specifically instructed to not make any reference to the Californian in his film if he wanted to get it released. I seem to recall that there was still a court case going on then as to the responsibility of the Californian and her crew to a possible rescue. The family of Captain Stanley Lord of the Californian were attempting to clear the family name. So it would seem that James Cameron had no choice but to omit this part of the Titanic story.
A mirage fooled the captain of the Californian into thinking the titanic was a cargo vessel. The same mirage effect fooled the watch until the iceberg was immediately in her path.
@KIRK ERIN'S Lego Vlogs yes but in 1958 surely there would have been some survivors, and had they been interviewed prior to making the movie, they would have said the ship had split prior to the sinking, isn't it?
@@sanjeevagainstgenocide they did but there were conflicting stories from other survivors. The board decided it was unlikely it did break up so went with that.
despite what people say about this movie i have always absolutely loved this movie since i was a kid, it was what drew me into Titanic and one of my favourite things has to be just how close the actors look to their real counterparts for the most part.
I wonder if after spotting the Californian's lights, could the Titanic have reactivated her engines and moved closer until she was close enough to contact the Californian with the Morse lamp? I realize this would have hastened the ship's demise, but would it have mattered, given that the Californian could have saved everyone?
Considering the Titanic was going down by the head at a significant rate and taking on tonnes of water every second it probably would have exacerbated the sinking even further. In any case, the two vessels were close enough to communicate via Morse as the Californian had sent a warning message to the Titanic alerting them to the icebergs. Titanic wireless operators were using the night to send the mass of wireless communications from passengers via Newfoundland and when the Californian sent the message it interrupted one such message the Titanic was sending and the Titanic operator sent back a message telling the Californian to shut up because they were busy. So the Californian turned off their communications for the evening. Furthermore, testimony from Californian officers during the British and American inquiries determine the Californian was a mere fifteen or twenty miles away from Titanic and could even see some of Titanic's lights. As such, they were close enough to see Titanic's distress rockets in the sky. As for the Morse Lamp, the Californian actually did attempt to communicate, but, er, Titanic was a little busy at the moment...
Exactly but after all those flares going off. The Califronian should have just made full steam towards her. It really was just common sense that something wasnt right
Someone above made a really great point about the Californian. To paraphrase since I'm too lazy to scroll up a little, haha, Californian's top speed was at most twelve knots. She was in open water surrounded by floating ice.er crew was asleep except for their night watch. They're wireless operator had signed off for the night. The captain was asleep and at first refused to be roused. By the time the nigh watch had determined that, "oh shit, that ship is actually going down!"; had woken the captain, had gotten the wireless operator, had sent a message out of the distress, woken the crew, and gotten the ship running, too much the had passed. It would have taken several long minutes to navigate the conditions, to reach full speed, and by then, it was 2:05am and Titanic was already ass-up in the water. The Californian couldn't have gotten close even if she tried. The best they could have done was hang out near-by and grab people from life boats. They're own boats were so small, and they're were only a few because of the size of the ship. That's even saying if that truly was the Californian on the horizon that night. Though the captain testified and there was record of communications between the two ships, the coordinates are off. There's speculation that it could have been a Norwegian (?) fisher illegally hunting seals and that they were scared off by Titanic's flares as they thought she was signaling that she knew what they were doing and she was coming to get them. This is one of those things that is always going to remain a mystery. I believe the very last survivor died a couple of years ago, and I doubt anyone from the Californian is still alive. Makes for a great convo though!
Pretty sure nowadays if a any form of stream liner or naval ship is in distress and can't use telecommunications and launch flares, ships have to respond. Pretty sure that's only for the US and UK Navy though.
@CSM101 English isn't my first language lol i'm swedish. But i'm pretty sure i read an article on something that said US and UK naval vessels respond to ships sending out flares or any form of distress even without telecommunications
I could swear that there was a scene where an officer in the Titanic asks why doesn't that light reacts to their distress lights and another scene from the californian where they assume the distress lights are party fireworks. Perhaps this scene is only in the Cameron's Titanic Explorer CD-ROM?
Cameron read a book by one of the passengers, which told so much of the truth of the sinking. And used a great deal of his writings to make his movie...
I spotted it. Since I knew very little about the Titanic at the time, I assumed it was the Carpathia, and wondered why it takes so long for them to get there.
I spotted it in the film when I was just a kid. I used to be obsessed about the Titanic and when I saw the little light in that scene I nearly flipped from excitement.
In response to all the comments about A Night To Remember being inaccurate in that it did not show Titanic as breaking up on the surface, this is because the film was made in 1958 and despite witness statement to the contrary, the film makers assumed, as did both the British and American inquiry into the sinking in 1912, that the ship sank intact. It was not until the discovery of th wreck in 1985 that the break up was confirmed
Dude honestly that is FAR from a true story , in fact it's total horseshit and it's often not even Titanic we see but the Queen Mary. Andrews is totally out of character and the boat deck was full of people gather around collapsible A and B and yet that movie shows NO ONE there but the officers. Also, the sinking is stupid, fake and it doesn't break. The sinking from bow to bridge is going too fast. Bow was under water at 1:15 a.m. and the water reached bridge around 2:05 a.m. The ship wasn't christened. Yet that happened in Night to not remember. What a shit movie. The captain also looks nothing like the real deal.
I heard a survivor in another video say that the Californian came close enough that it could be clearly seen without binoculers...and that they could actually sort of make out a figure walking on the deck....and it is said that it was after the very Rude comments recieved from Titanic that the operator on the Californian decided enough was enough, decided not to recharge the wireless, and went to bed instead....
TheFarmerfitz Lol I'm no expert on wireless communications but you aren't either. "Shut up" wasn't considered rude by wireless operators at all. It was a common term.
If the Californian were close enough to make out walking people without binoculars, then wouldn't the Californians crew have noticed the lights, distress flares, Morse lamps, the deafening screech of steam escaping the boilers and the screams of people? And even if they hadn't noticed any of that, if the Californian were that close then wouldn't it have been even slightly affected by the huge wave the Titanic probably made when it snapped in half? Wouldn't they have noticed it towering in the air? My point is, that if it were close enough to see clear enough to make out people without binoculars then wouldn't the whole crew notice the Titanic?
Actually, there is STRONG evidence that the lights that were seen both by the Californian and the Titanic were either a) optical illusions due to the conditions of that night or b) (and there is some paper evidence for this) a sealing vessel who was ILLEGALLY hunting seals in the area.
Aaron Neumann you're talking about the S.S Sampson (or S.S Samson, they are two different ships but I can't remember which one is the proper name) that may or may not have been illegally sealing in the area. But from the info I've gathered on the ship, if the Californian were in fact close enough to see people on it from the Titanic without binoculars, then there is no way in hell that that sealing boat could've blocked the lights from either ship. It simply wouldn't be tall or long enough unless the Californian were much farther away and the mystery ship lurked somewhere in between the two, like a kind of Solar Eclipse effect.
When Olympic offered to take on the survivors, she was heatedly turned down by Rostron, who was concerned that it would cause panic amongst the survivors of the disaster to see a virtual mirror-image of the Titanic appear and ask them to board. so good...
The Californian was fairly close, but not 10 miles. The ability of that ship and her crew to save the Titanic passengers is exaggerated. If you read a thorough analysis of the distance and speed at which she could have steamed toward Titanic (through ice thick enough to have caused her to stop for the night), you'll see that the best she could have done would be to arrive right around the time Titanic went down. This would have required that the Californian's captain acted immediately which is not realistic. The ship couldn't have risked getting too close to lifeboats would have had to be used to transfer people. That takes a lot of time. Carpathia took hours to bring survivors aboard and that was during daylight.
3 times the captain Lord was told by the bridge officers that they could see rockets three times he did nothing! All he had to do to be sure was order the wireless operator to wake up and see if anything was amiss. But he didn't.
There really was a chain of unfortunate circumstances. Had the Titanic already had a fast motor launch, it would have been possible to go to the other ship and possibly get help.
I still prefer A Night To Remember over Cameron's Titanic, it has more of an emotional impact compared to the 1997 version, and none of the fictitious embellishments that Cameron felt the need to add. One thing James Cameron did recreate so well though was the Titanic. She looked absolutely stunning in the 1997 movie. So, I'm glad I've got both versions.
The reason Cameron did not make the film as historically accurate in some ways (most of the film is actually very historical, that’s if you are a big Titanic nerd like me lol) is because he wanted to make the film look more dramatic than it really was (I am not saying it wasent dramatic during the sinking, it is just parts such as it going straight up in the air vertically not slanted so water is colliding on both sides)
Well , remember that the film is how Rose remembers all the things she witnessed and lived as a 20-ish year old girl so yeah, she witnessed things from that prespective.
The reason they didn’t respond to the distress rockets was because the intervals at which they fired them didn’t follow the distress protocol, they were supposed to fire them out once per minute but they only did it 8 times in an hour. The seamen on the Californian were confused
Not entirely accurate. There was no universal maritime distress protocol at the time, at least with respect to flares. It was the color of the flares, not their frequency, that ended up dissuading Captain Lord of the Californian from investigating.
It didn't actually say once per minute (that was for explosive reports). The rules of the road stated rockets of any color fired at short intervals... it just didn't specify what a "short" interval is. 5 minutes could be short to some... not to others. Either way, he should've investigated further.
While its plausible the blinking light may of been the Californian, I'd have to see the actual source where James Cameron himself acknowledges that. And if it *was* intended to be the Californian. My question would be why there wasn't a scene (included or deleted) showing captain smith and another crew member noticing it and having some dialog about what ship it was.
Another thing, and this is about the A Night To Remember movie...it shows Captain Smith looking at the Californian through binoculars. I was under the impression that there weren't any available, specifically for the lookouts to use.
Matt Canon According to 2nd Officer Lightloller there were five pairs on board: “A pair for each Senior Officer and the Commander, and one pair for the Bridge, commonly termed pilot glasses.”
It`s pretty absurd but for the binoculars on board was responsible David Blair who should have been the second officer, but at the very last moment was left out of the crew. And actually nobody knows if there were some binoculars on board or not and if there were - where. That is mentioned in the autobiography of Lightoller.
You have to remember in James Camerons Titanic film the movie was based more around a womans memories and the man that she loved. She wouldn't have any knowledge of the Californian being on the horizon. Now there is a Titanic Miniseries film with Katherine Zeta Jones in it and you see more about the Californian. That particular film shows a lot more compared to Camerons Titanic.
It honestly pisses me off that the Californian heard & seen titanics cries for help and decided to ignore it and not come to its aid even know it was the closest one within distance! They chose to ignore the distress call because they decided they were done for the night there's always at least one person monitoring that system just a sham! What if it was vice versa I bet you they would have wanted Titanic to make sure that they responded!
@@ScaryIsWeird I understand that but once he got offended by the guy saying hes too busy & to shut up he decided to shut it off and not be bothered for the rest of the night
cause its not there, it was added later after he was accused of wrong doing for leaving the Californian out... he never intended to include it in the first place
Your voice omg wow I can't even. Love the video by the way. I find Titanic very interesting and enjoy seeing all of the documentaries here on RUclips but damn your voice makes it even more interesting!
If the Californian's mast light is that hard to see - to the point if needing to zoom in to even see a hint of it - then it is safe to say that the Californian wasn't actually included in Titanic (1997). Personally, I think that mast light is just a star.
same, I can't see anything. I think he's digitally enhancing it when he zooms in because I've watched this scene countless times and it's simply not visible.
An older woman on RUclips who survived titanic said the other ship was less than 9 miles away, she said it was so close she could make out it was a ship, it wasn’t just a flicker of light in the distance
trust me, she was 7 in 1912 i don't think she remembers the details. Californian was at least 10 Miles away from Titanic, only the mast lights were visible, to actually make out the ship's shape it has to be at least 3-4 Miles away which it wasn't.
@@SQUAREHEADSAM1912 No one from the Titanic was in contact with the Californian during the sinking. And modern estimates put the Californian up to 15 miles away.
@@brainstewX read officers Boxhall testimonies then, he was indeed in contact with her, how ever they where to far to ever see what he was saying of the Morse lamp.
The Californian did spot the flares from the Titanic but ignored them. The captain of the Californian had stopped because of the ice field, and they ignored Titanic because of 1. The Titanic's wireless operator had told them to "shut up", and 2. The S.O.S messages were deaf to the Californian because the only wireless operator was asleep. If the Californian did respond, however, it would take them about 1.5 hours to get there, which is only halfway through the sinking.
I believe the Californian TOLD the Titanic that they'd stopped for the night, and where. That's all the information the Titanic crew should have needed.
@@littlegamer00 it’s all so difficult “ Science “must be wrong somehow I can see a island harbor about 40 miles away from the beach Technically not possible but I do .. mind spinning 😑
You can see Wearhouse lights from buildings off in the distance when Rose runs away from Cal...the lights are fluorescent and obvious not from that time frame or from a "Lifeboat" because there are 5 all lined up perfectly like they wear on a roof. Whoops
He added the delete scene of the Californian warning the Titanic about the Icebergs, but no the one if he answer or not the distress calls, now I watched three times again, specifically the sinking scene, that is really, really, dodging the issue, if he really wanted he could have added the Californian, both part of the controversy, but no, he just ignore it, because he didnt want to get his hands dirty.
If your talking about Cameron, his movie would have been better if he cut down on the safe discovery in the begining and Rose and Jack,s love and lust story and been faithful to the story like A Night to Remember did!!!!!
@@scottmiller6495 A Night to Remember have a slight issues, no one in the engine room or the officers on deck panic when they see the Iceberg, the watchers give the alert in the most monotone tone possible, but the rest of the movie is good, hell, the BBC even did a reenactment of the trial of the crew of the California that can you see in RUclips, based in the transcripts of the trial, and some added scene, funny, the first mate that was so loyal to the Captain version of the events ended dirty poor, his loyalty didnt really pay off, in comparison to the lower rank officer that actually was honest in the end.
The thing is though, one of the survivors said that it was not a light on the horizon and that it was actually a ship and she could fully see it, so I had to be a lot closer than what they say
That Cameron story is fake. The lights in the background are much clearer than that because they show not only the city lights but the land across from the set. In the following releases the fixed it and removed it. They also fixed other stuff such as guy with bloody nose had bloody hands even before he reached to his nose--they also fixed that. the lights were NOT put in by cameron it was an accident since the camera was pointed at the city. Another scene when Dawson first enters into the high class dining area for the dinner--you can see the camera man following him reflected in the window before the door opens.
IT WAS A MISTAKE--THAT IS THE MEXICAN VILLAGE AND THEY REMOVED THE MISTAKE IN NEW RELEASES.. uploaders story that cameron put it in there is fake--he dreamed that up
The titanics radio operator said shut up I’m busy when they sent the message And then at 11:30 pm April 14 1912 the Californian turned its wireless off and at 11:40 titanic struck the iceberg
people say that the split wasn't in a night to remember but don't forget the wreckage wasn't discovered *by accident* until the late 1970's-early 1980's then James Cameron's movie came out in 1997
Wow that light is very difficult to spot. James Cameron's Titanic is the first to show her breaking in half as she sunk. Older movies did not show that.
well the ship wreck was only found a few years before xD exactly how she sunk even with the passenger evidence was really a mistery so to avoid any "problematic and controversial topics" they never really implemented it. And also though she broken in half she was still attached to the bow hence how the stern went up again which wouldnt be possible like the movie in reality :P since in the movie the ship completley broke off which isnt true. But for the time it was very accurate
The Californian was 19 miles away from the sinking Titanic.Granted,Captain Lord should have immediately steamed to her position,but I don't think it would have made any difference whatsoever.He did have his radio operator send out a warning to the Titanic,but unfortunately,this was not acted upon.
Great video, everyone talks about a night to remember being ‘the most accurate telling of the Titanic story’ but there are several historical inaccuracies in there too.
Here's a better look at it: ruclips.net/video/D-3XRBd9q54/видео.html
Do you not understand that for that to be there, it would HAVE to be included in the next shot where we are seeing the same exact angle, but much higher up?
Exactly. But thanks for showing it
The debate over the Californian will go on forever. What is important to remember are the heroic efforts of the Carpathia, Captain Rostron and his great crew. Rostron was born for that moment. He turned the Carpathia around, gave dozens of orders, got his ship to move faster than it ever did...zigzagging around icebergs, set up aid stations on board and pulled off a miracle for the ages.
Hell and even the Olympic. Though she was far, as soon as they heard the wireless they parted straigh away to help her sister which to this day I find to just be fucking awesome. Sad how she knew she would just be to late anyways. But I agree
TheMarineGamer IGGHQ well, I would've helped if I wasn't being built
He's my great great uncle. I'm surprised anyone other than historians know of him because his credit to saving survivors is almost unheard of these days.
really?
Apparently the Carpathia's passengers were really worried. All they were initially told was to stay in their cabins. The ship started vibrating as its engines ran at maximum speed and they could hear the lifeboats being prepared and swung out.
2:15 Of the entire film, this image is the most haunting to me. The vastness of the North Atlantic makes a giant ship look tiny and insignificant.
The crazy thing is, that vast patch of ocean making the titanic look tiny, is itself just a tiny little insignificant patch of the ocean!
The best shot of the film indeed.
That’s just the top of it your seeing too!
Cruise Ships now days make the Titanic look tiny and insignificant.
Just seeing titanic all alone
Makes me feel sad for her
Molly Brown "there's something you don't see every day." she has just seen the Californian
Not demonstrable from the clip
Commander Gaming why is there 3 l's in molly
Commander Gaming good one
Commander Gaming no, she's actually just referring to the Titanic. The Californian was not seen in this clip at all, the video maker is simply clutching at straws
Cameron's film is visually and Special effects wise terrific, but other than that the acting is just fair and the awful love and lust of Winslet and Decaprio throughout the film puts a negative into the story. And not including enough about the Carpathia and especially the Californian kills the movie! And let's not even get into the awarding by the academy of 11 oscars, that in itself is rediculous! Ben Hur and West Side Story are much better and deserved their enormous awards! Cameron's Titanic is a good film don't get me wrong, but A Night to Remember from 1958 is much better and very faithful to the whole story, No Questions about it either Period?!!!!
also in titanics deleted scenes the people on the Californian tried to warn them about the iceberg
That would have been Cyril Evans, the wireless operator on the Californian.
Yes and they were so stubborn they kept going.
@@chatty2164 Not really . You're just an idiot .
Kian Karbasi yea and the titanic never listened so hardheaded
Kara yes really they kept going at full speed also told the californinan to shut up so they just turned it off and went to sleep dont blame them
I thought you meant a Californian person. I pictured some pretentious LA girl going "Like seriously, I cannot drown right now, I CANNOT even!"
Weapon of mass construction “omg you mean like I can’t take my pumpkin latte with me? Like literally I’m gonna cry my uggs are wet now”
Weapon of mass construction Lol
Like seriously the water is like cold eww like Titanic you cannot be sinking right now
This comment is soooo underrated 😂
Eww the water is wet!
Eva Hart, the youngest survivor of the Titanic to recall the accident, said this about the Californian:
"I saw the ship. and it wasn't just a light on the horizon, you could see that it was a ship."
She was 7, i don't think she remembered what see saw. But i'm sure the ships's headlights were visible.
@@MatteoRamaccioni84 the interview with her is up here on YT.
@@TheColinChapman i know that but what she said might be not real
@@TheColinChapman i mean she was seven years old and, given the fact that nobody else said they could tell it was a ship, i'm kinda doubtful that's what she saw.
wow that was hard to see!! thanks for showing us :)
I saw it
Yeah
What if that was the flying dutchman instead of the Californian
I still cannot see it
I've read stories about how more a week after the Titanic sank, there were other passing ships in the area that would be stuck by high waves that still carried the dead bodies of some of Titanic's passengers. Some of these frozen bodies would slam against the hull of these ships and float away still in their life preservers
Bet there were many people traumatized by that
Where did you read that?
Source please
did not know that. what a ghostly site that must have been, errie indeed☠️💀
It is so subtle, I could imagine that not being an intentional light. But rather just a rotoscoping mistake. The stars were all cgi, so this could have come from a mask not being precise for one keyframe. I just have a hard time believing this little pixel change is intentional.
But I really liked this video and you finding that. Thumbs up!
it’s intentional, cameron said it himself.
@@ezekiel440but was the source ever found of James Cameron saying it?
Wouldnt have flagged you for a Titanic buff Neo. Nice to see you here
2:18
good god........one of my worst fears is being left alone, especially in a time of need.....that shot of the Titanic half sunk, in the middle of a black ocean with nothing on the horizon......no hope of surviving......it sends chills down my spine.....
Reply to this comment if you find yourself in an emergency situation and need to send out an SOS. 💜 🙏
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And in real life it would be impossible to see where the ocean and the sky limit each other. You would feel like you were in the cold outer space.
Another scene to look for in the 1997 movie is when the camera pans across the sinking ship from the stern to the bow. In it, you can see the mast lights atop the end cabs on the bridge flashing. Captain Smith ordered this to get the Californian's attention along with firing the rockets.
The Californian was close.
That's why the Titanic wireless operator told his Californian counterpart to shut up. The signal nearly broke his eardrums.
The Titanic's demise was self-inflicted. They were warned seven ways from Sunday, and they disregarded every clue. And sadly, they paid dearly for that.
HOW OBOUT CARPATHIA
Your comment is hilarious, their voyage wasn't even going to last seven days they started their voyage at 10th of April Wendsday and was going to end at 16th, also marconi machine broke down in the 13th and caused Philips to work on it for 7 hours straigth and he had to send STACKS of passenger messages and he had priorities and he was still working on clearing that stack so he could finnaly have some sleep so when Californian (rudely)interupted Philips told him to shut up, also Californians marconi machine was too weak to come as a loud noise and it just disturbed Philips, and he already has received like a dozen ice warnings and had succesfully passed them to the captain. Also Titanic was not in imediate danger so she kept steaming full ahead that was the common practise at the time.
CQD to titanic
TheBatugan77 the wireless operator hadn’t gotten much sleep due to a malfunction with the machine
@@aviationlover3613 he said "seven WAYS from sunday" meaning more ways than one. Not literally Sunday or the time of their trip. They were warned multiple times.
I know I might be of the minority, but I think it's important to remember that Cameron's version of the Titanic is focused more on the romantic fictional story of Jack and Rose; while maintaining a pretty accurate reflection on the sinking of the ship. However, more minor details like the Californian being many miles away on the horizon were probably not of primary concern.
And that,s what kills Cameron's film. Winslet and Decaprio were featured too damn much and not showing the Californian and the Carpathia in detail is why this film was terribly Overrated! And 11 Academy Awards? Are you kidding! West Side Story and Ben Hur were much more deserving of their enormous awards than 1997s Titanic!!!!!
@@scottmiller6495 I think Californian and carparhia should have been featured much longer 10 to 15 minutes
There are many things wrong with the romance of jack and Rose and the opening se scene. passengers were never allowed on the focsle let alone climbing the jackstaff and waffling on about being the king of the World.
@@andrewstackpool4911 You are so right! The beginning of the 1953 film and the 1958 movie are much different and convincing !!!!!
Not many miles away! There were two ships near titanic and both ignored it! That's not a freaking minor details. That's catastrophe!
What I wonder is would the Californian have been able to reach them in time without hitting an iceberg and sinking also? They did say that they were surrounded by ice and tried to warn Titanic about the icebergs.
Ofcourse. If it was this close it couldve made IT easily on time. And about those icebergs. They knew they were there so also easier to go around and Just dont go as fast as normal.
@@bpdbhp1632 We'll never know in this life what might've been.
@@graciegj63 yeah but on something like this you can be 99% sure
@@bpdbhp1632 engines were off. Wouldn’t have arrived for 3 hours
@@Daz912 how would it have taken 3 hours
Captain Stanley Lord did one thing correct that night: He stopped and waited until dawn to find his way around the huge ice field. It's too bad Captain Smith didn't do the same. It's been suggested to me that the Californian may well have not been able to get to the Titanic dodging around all the ice in the ocean. Also, for him to fire up his boilers, get steam up and try to thread his way through the ice, he may not have made it anyway. That doesn't mean he shouldn't have at least turned on his radio to try to find out what was going on. That's what baffles me the most.
I see what you're saying but the Californian would have been able to get to the Titanic before the Carpathia which was 58 miles away and took four hours to get to where the Titanic sank to pick up the survivors. Had the Californian came to the Titanic's rescue, it could've saved more than 705 people. The part about turning off the radio is something odd tho.
Californian captain was a pussy!!! Titanic didn't want to stop, they wanted to make good headlines and reach New York early!!
@@Firemarioflower No, they didn't. It was bad business to turn up early since the passengers made hotel and travel arrangements that relied on the ship arriving in port on the advertised day. There would have been a lot of displeased passengers had she turned up ahead of schedule. The only newsworthy thing that would have came out of Titanic's voyage was that she was actually on course to beat the average speed that Olympic achieved on her own maiden voyage.
@@paulheenan9098 could passengers have stayed aboard Titanic until the scheduled arrival time in that case whilst she was docked?
If the Californian's engines were stopped, there would have been no power to supply electricity to the wireless. Evans had been asleep for almost an hour when the first rocket was fired. His ship had been stopped for longer than that. He was aboard a ship that was not carrying passengers on this trip. I don't know for certain, but I would wager that his apparatus needed some down-time in order to re-charge. One small fact that many people overlook is that of ths ships that were out on the Atlantic that night, every other one of them made it into port.
Night to Remember Might be very accurate, But it fails to show the ship breaking in two if I remember right.
That wasn't commonly known at the time, especially since the wreckage hadn't been found yet.
+1867Phoenix in 1985 discovered that the titanic has break in half (sorry for my really bad english)
+1867Phoenix And the bow sinks too late and the bridge too fast. Also, no crowds were gathered around collapisbles A and B. only officer LIghtoller and other crew member can be seen struggling to get them ready while the water washes over the forward boat deck. But there were also 5 women and other passengers who were ready to get into the boats but they aren't there.
And the ship was christianed with a bottle of champagne during the launch. In reality, that didn't happen at all.
+1867Phoenix Many survivor's were not believed when they said the ship broke in half until the wreckage was found, It's awful after what they went through to then be called liars for years by people who weren't there.
JasonBorn89 So true!
Someone should do a fan edit and include these deleted scenes into the film.
Maybe cut out all the Jack and Rose bullshit as well, that'd be a nice touch.
Don't worry, some fanboy will have shot me by tomorrow.
Looking for my gun now.
Bumming Bummer In all seriousness, I've never understood the obsession people have with that romance. People used to associate Titanic with a true story about a big ship that hit an iceberg and sank. Now they associate it with a generic love story that never actually happened and was thrown into the movie because God forbid James Cameron make a movie that isn't a love story. If Jack hadn't died, I don't think Jack and Rose would get half the recognition they do, because other than that it's just your typical, one-dimensional 90's characters who decide to bone after knowing each other for about 2 days.
He made one that isn't a love story, it was called "Aliens" and was released in 1986
MartinK303 *Cough* Ripley and Hicks *Cough*
Titanic movie: We have included the Californian!
Molly: Now that’s something you don’t hear everyday.
I think it would be nice if a remake A Night to Remember was made. Now that we know so much more about how the Titanic went down compared to what was known back in 1958 and 1997, it will be like a breath of fresh air. I definitely want to see now what the new break-up theory would look like on film.
The Titanic's wire room was busy wiring stock exchange trades for their wealthy passengers when the Californian was in communication about the looming ice field they were stopped in. The frustrated Titanic wired back; "SHUT UP!" to the Californian so the wire room shut down for the night. Later on several on the deck of the Californian saw the distress rockets from the Titanic but when the sleeping captain was informed he dismissed it. Captain Stanley Lord of the Californian was exonerated from blame for any fault or wrongdoing, especially after due consideration of the facts at the Titanic inquiry.
Titanic inquirie was corrupted beyond any hope. The ship literally broke in half before the eyes of hundreds of witnesses and committee still DENIED that this happened. So you can't take results of any investigations after the disaster without great doubt.
You're leaving a bit out and changing stuff too.
The frustrated, already spent 48 hours awake, Jack Phillips, was wiring messages from loved ones aboard the ship when the very close (thus very, very loud) Californian relayed the upteenth Ice Warning he received. Of course he'd tell them to shut up.
Despite all that he stayed in that room until 2:17 AM. Sending out CQDs and trying to get any help. Have some respect.
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If that was Cameron's idea of the Californian in the distance, he got it completely wrong. First off, the light was waaaaaay too dim. Passengers and crew reported seeing a clear light in the distance. Eva Hart described it like, "It wasn't just lights on the horizon. You could see it was a ship!" Second, the "light" in this video is in the wrong direction. The ship's light was spotted off the PORT bow, not the starboard. Sorry.....this does not help the credibility or accuracy of Cameron's movie.
Cameron actually included it in the later release and he did in fact filmed a scene that included Californian's crew(though this was later cut from the final release).The direction of the light is just a minor fault. The entire movie was filmed on a reverse angle like a mirror image. Everything was filmed in reversed. They probably didn't realized that mistake until it was already too late.
The ship they saw was the mount temple
@@nstl440 which was 50 miles away
2:34 “Oh really?” 🤣🤣
Wasn't the ship spotted on the horizon on Titanic's portside not starboard?
Yes, you're right
It's a minor fault actually. Since the movie was film on a reverse angle like that of a mirror image. They probably didn't realized that mistake until the movie was already been released.
Eren Jaeger The small ship could not have saved 1500 lives.
I do not know for how long the ship had been stopped or if the boilers were cold. It probably would have taken some time for the Californian to get to Titanic, even if they started firing up the engines when they saw the first rockets. No they probably could not have saved everybody. Maybe not even if they had heard the distress calls on the wireless.
a 1988 documentary "Titanic Mystery" has suggested the mystery ship that Titanic was trying to signal with flares and rockets was a Norwegian sealing ship, perhaps hunting illegaly in the ice field . One of their crewman admitted many years later that they were in the area, and spotted the rockets, but thought they were rockets fired by a US Coast Guard ship on fishery patrol. Hence they never acknowledged the flares or their SOS.
The Californian also saw this mystery vessel in the ice field and it too tried to signal it but again, no answer. The Californian would've been in no position to see the distress rockets of the Titanic
Eventually the mystery vessel moved off, and only later did did its crew learn of the tragedy in their vicinity. it would seem to confirm why this light on the horizon stayed constant and then disappeared from view by the survivors.
ummm....So being a bit obsessed with this film i actually know what scene you can see it...when Cal grabs Rose as she turns away from boarding the life boat and she spits on him, look behind Cal's left shoulder in the distance, you can see the Californian (The lights from the ship are much easier to see than your shot)
And to be fair, i wouldn't try to discredit this video, its just, i really don't see it in your shot, even when you pause it, I don't see anything.
Turn up your brightness and go full screen. You have to look reeeeeeeeal close, ikr it took me a minute but I can see it, it's very blurry but it is visible.
I would say you're obsessed with your Deep Emotions that this film has touched you with, versus just obsessed with the movie.
I have to look at it! Hell the movie is on right now. It's on every day all OCTOBER multiple times lol. It's on like 200 times this month
@@ENTERTAINMENT35 Same here. I wonder why they're playing it everyday in the month of October. I remember it was playing on three different channels at once.
RK NINE but during the month of April... nothing.
that was probably just a camera bug
James Moster no If James Cameron said himself then it’s there it’s real so your obviously not listening or skipping important parts because Californian was in both films from 1958 and 1997
>your obviously not listening
He said himself that he didn't find any proof that James Cameron actually said this so I think you're the one who isn't listening.
It's so astounding; the story of Titanic just seemed like the _perfect storm_ of literally everything going wrong, at every opportunity. Just think, if the telegraphs officer on Titanic hadn't gotten upset with the Californian's telegrapher; if the Californian's officer hadn't gone to bed...
But was Captain Lord really a coward who didn't want to risk his ship to provide aide? Or did he actually believe that Titanic was in no danger?
would that have really meant he was a coward though? If he genuinely believed there was danger, which there clearly was then what good would it be to have another sank ship and more people dead?
@@iitzfizz Even so, he’s not a search and rescue ship regardless.
A captain's primary duty is to keep his ship safe. Sorry.
"The upset telegrapher"-myth was created from lack og knowledge of their lingo and culture. It was custom for them to joke around and be rude. They most definitely knew each other, as there wasn't many of them.
@@michaelpetersen3843 No, they definitely had a tiff. Californians telegrapher said as much when explaining why he went to bed. Something similar to what they said in the deleted scenes from the movie, "I thought he was being arrogant".
I'm sure I read somewhere (just after Cameron's film was released in '97) that James Cameron was specifically instructed to not make any reference to the Californian in his film if he wanted to get it released. I seem to recall that there was still a court case going on then as to the responsibility of the Californian and her crew to a possible rescue. The family of Captain Stanley Lord of the Californian were attempting to clear the family name. So it would seem that James Cameron had no choice but to omit this part of the Titanic story.
Whoa, really??
There are deleted scenes of the Californian, but pretty short. Maybe a minute or so?
James Cameron's move about Titanic is good and most scenes are quite accurate. The iceberg scene was really accurate.
So you saying that Murdoch suicide could be accurete?? And some of the accurate scenes were just inspired of "A night to remember"
@@DanReis3740 in fact some witnesses claimed to have Murdoch seen kill himself.
@@DanReis3740 HA!!! Well a lot of scenes in A Night To Remember were DEAD wrong though
A mirage fooled the captain of the Californian into thinking the titanic was a cargo vessel. The same mirage effect fooled the watch until the iceberg was immediately in her path.
love your narrating voice!
This is dedication I can get behind. Nicely done Sir.
Cameron's version is a little more accurate than A Night To Remember since he includes the ship splitting in half which Night to Remember doesn't
@KIRK ERIN'S Lego Vlogs yeah I know. Just saying.
@KIRK ERIN'S Lego Vlogs yes but in 1958 surely there would have been some survivors, and had they been interviewed prior to making the movie, they would have said the ship had split prior to the sinking, isn't it?
@@sanjeevagainstgenocide they did but there were conflicting stories from other survivors. The board decided it was unlikely it did break up so went with that.
despite what people say about this movie i have always absolutely loved this movie since i was a kid, it was what drew me into Titanic and one of my favourite things has to be just how close the actors look to their real counterparts for the most part.
I wonder if after spotting the Californian's lights, could the Titanic have reactivated her engines and moved closer until she was close enough to contact the Californian with the Morse lamp? I realize this would have hastened the ship's demise, but would it have mattered, given that the Californian could have saved everyone?
Considering the Titanic was going down by the head at a significant rate and taking on tonnes of water every second it probably would have exacerbated the sinking even further. In any case, the two vessels were close enough to communicate via Morse as the Californian had sent a warning message to the Titanic alerting them to the icebergs.
Titanic wireless operators were using the night to send the mass of wireless communications from passengers via Newfoundland and when the Californian sent the message it interrupted one such message the Titanic was sending and the Titanic operator sent back a message telling the Californian to shut up because they were busy. So the Californian turned off their communications for the evening.
Furthermore, testimony from Californian officers during the British and American inquiries determine the Californian was a mere fifteen or twenty miles away from Titanic and could even see some of Titanic's lights. As such, they were close enough to see Titanic's distress rockets in the sky.
As for the Morse Lamp, the Californian actually did attempt to communicate, but, er, Titanic was a little busy at the moment...
Exactly but after all those flares going off. The Califronian should have just made full steam towards her. It really was just common sense that something wasnt right
Someone above made a really great point about the Californian. To paraphrase since I'm too lazy to scroll up a little, haha, Californian's top speed was at most twelve knots. She was in open water surrounded by floating ice.er crew was asleep except for their night watch. They're wireless operator had signed off for the night. The captain was asleep and at first refused to be roused.
By the time the nigh watch had determined that, "oh shit, that ship is actually going down!"; had woken the captain, had gotten the wireless operator, had sent a message out of the distress, woken the crew, and gotten the ship running, too much the had passed. It would have taken several long minutes to navigate the conditions, to reach full speed, and by then, it was 2:05am and Titanic was already ass-up in the water. The Californian couldn't have gotten close even if she tried.
The best they could have done was hang out near-by and grab people from life boats. They're own boats were so small, and they're were only a few because of the size of the ship.
That's even saying if that truly was the Californian on the horizon that night. Though the captain testified and there was record of communications between the two ships, the coordinates are off. There's speculation that it could have been a Norwegian (?) fisher illegally hunting seals and that they were scared off by Titanic's flares as they thought she was signaling that she knew what they were doing and she was coming to get them.
This is one of those things that is always going to remain a mystery. I believe the very last survivor died a couple of years ago, and I doubt anyone from the Californian is still alive.
Makes for a great convo though!
Pretty sure nowadays if a any form of stream liner or naval ship is in distress and can't use telecommunications and launch flares, ships have to respond. Pretty sure that's only for the US and UK Navy though.
@CSM101 English isn't my first language lol i'm swedish. But i'm pretty sure i read an article on something that said US and UK naval vessels respond to ships sending out flares or any form of distress even without telecommunications
I could swear that there was a scene where an officer in the Titanic asks why doesn't that light reacts to their distress lights and another scene from the californian where they assume the distress lights are party fireworks. Perhaps this scene is only in the Cameron's Titanic Explorer CD-ROM?
If you think you can find the "Light on the Horizon" on the old VHS tape, good luck. I already tried that just today.
Cameron read a book by one of the passengers, which told so much of the truth of the sinking. And used a great deal of his writings to make his movie...
RIP to everyone who lost their precious lives
1:35-1:43 - Which Titanic movie was that bit from?
+gameoholic1994 That clip is from a National Geographic special called "Titanic: How It Really Sank".
LORD KAYOSS Thanks.
1997's Titanic, with Leonardo a DiCaprio and Kate Winslet
+Izayah Martin Nope. See Lord Kayoss' reply.
+gameoholic1994 It's from A night to remember
I wonder why there’s no Iceberg around the sinking ship in the 1997 movie. From what the Survivor said, the next morning there was iceberg everywhere.
I would pay good money to hear the narrator say, "Paging Mr. Herman, Mr. Herman, there's a telephone call for you at the front desk."
That's not funny at all!
The California tried to signal with the morse lamp.
Which they wouldn't have reached Titanic anyway as they were about 13 miles away, and the Morse lamp only had a range of 5.
3:31 i just spotted Ss Californian's Lights
Trans World Jackson Nah that wasn’t the ship. It came from the East side. That was North west
@@journeythroughtherails5294 shut up
@@djmaut472 what only for say the reality?
THOSE ARE THE LIGHTS OF THE MEXICAN TOWN--they fixed it and removed them from newer releases.
I spotted it. Since I knew very little about the Titanic at the time, I assumed it was the Carpathia, and wondered why it takes so long for them to get there.
I spotted it in the film when I was just a kid. I used to be obsessed about the Titanic and when I saw the little light in that scene I nearly flipped from excitement.
sure boy
In response to all the comments about A Night To Remember being inaccurate in that it did not show Titanic as breaking up on the surface, this is because the film was made in 1958 and despite witness statement to the contrary, the film makers assumed, as did both the British and American inquiry into the sinking in 1912, that the ship sank intact. It was not until the discovery of th wreck in 1985 that the break up was confirmed
A Night to Remember remains THE pinnacle of true story telling about Titanic.
Truer words have never been spoken Bravo!!!!!
Except that the creators of that stupid movie didn’t fuckin believe all the witnesses that said that the ship split
Dude honestly that is FAR from a true story , in fact it's total horseshit and it's often not even Titanic we see but the Queen Mary.
Andrews is totally out of character and the boat deck was full of people gather around collapsible A and B and yet that movie shows NO ONE there but the officers. Also, the sinking is stupid, fake and it doesn't break. The sinking from bow to bridge is going too fast. Bow was under water at 1:15 a.m. and the water reached bridge around 2:05 a.m.
The ship wasn't christened. Yet that happened in Night to not remember. What a shit movie. The captain also looks nothing like the real deal.
@@scottmiller6495 Get out
@@Firemarioflower every Titanic movie is retarded except for the 1997 film
It’s definitely the Californian who should have helped Titanic, they saw the rockets, it must be a signal for distress.
I heard a survivor in another video say that the Californian came close enough that it could be clearly seen without binoculers...and that they could actually sort of make out a figure walking on the deck....and it is said that it was after the very Rude comments recieved from Titanic that the operator on the Californian decided enough was enough, decided not to recharge the wireless, and went to bed instead....
just before the ufo buzzed them haha
TheFarmerfitz Lol I'm no expert on wireless communications but you aren't either. "Shut up" wasn't considered rude by wireless operators at all. It was a common term.
If the Californian were close enough to make out walking people without binoculars, then wouldn't the Californians crew have noticed the lights, distress flares, Morse lamps, the deafening screech of steam escaping the boilers and the screams of people? And even if they hadn't noticed any of that, if the Californian were that close then wouldn't it have been even slightly affected by the huge wave the Titanic probably made when it snapped in half? Wouldn't they have noticed it towering in the air? My point is, that if it were close enough to see clear enough to make out people without binoculars then wouldn't the whole crew notice the Titanic?
Actually, there is STRONG evidence that the lights that were seen both by the Californian and the Titanic were either a) optical illusions due to the conditions of that night or b) (and there is some paper evidence for this) a sealing vessel who was ILLEGALLY hunting seals in the area.
Aaron Neumann you're talking about the S.S Sampson (or S.S Samson, they are two different ships but I can't remember which one is the proper name) that may or may not have been illegally sealing in the area. But from the info I've gathered on the ship, if the Californian were in fact close enough to see people on it from the Titanic without binoculars, then there is no way in hell that that sealing boat could've blocked the lights from either ship. It simply wouldn't be tall or long enough unless the Californian were much farther away and the mystery ship lurked somewhere in between the two, like a kind of Solar Eclipse effect.
Fascinating. Good catch. Thank you for posting.
Your voice sounds very similar to Planet Dolan's Hellbent.
Karuminu2 true!!!
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Karuminu2 he voices him it's true
thought i was the only one.
sexiest naturally deep voice.
When Olympic offered to take on the survivors, she was heatedly turned down by Rostron, who was concerned that it would cause panic amongst the survivors of the disaster to see a virtual mirror-image of the Titanic appear and ask them to board.
so good...
The Californian was fairly close, but not 10 miles. The ability of that ship and her crew to save the Titanic passengers is exaggerated. If you read a thorough analysis of the distance and speed at which she could have steamed toward Titanic (through ice thick enough to have caused her to stop for the night), you'll see that the best she could have done would be to arrive right around the time Titanic went down. This would have required that the Californian's captain acted immediately which is not realistic. The ship couldn't have risked getting too close to lifeboats would have had to be used to transfer people. That takes a lot of time. Carpathia took hours to bring survivors aboard and that was during daylight.
There is really no way to know EXACTLY how close the two ships were. Captain Lord should have turned his radio on...SIMPLE.
3 times the captain Lord was told by the bridge officers that they could see rockets three times he did nothing! All he had to do to be sure was order the wireless operator to wake up and see if anything was amiss. But he didn't.
This exactly...
The narrator's voice makes me want to be on time, say please, thank you, and yes sir much more often...
Thank you Lord, you rock!! Also what is that amazing music for the end of your video at 4:05? It’s absolutely beautiful!!
Please what is it?
I am on a titanic binge right now. And your accuracy and VOICE is giving me the chills!!!😉😂😂
There really was a chain of unfortunate circumstances. Had the Titanic already had a fast motor launch, it would have been possible to go to the other ship and possibly get help.
That's what I have been thinking too!
I still prefer A Night To Remember over Cameron's Titanic, it has more of an emotional impact compared to the 1997 version, and none of the fictitious embellishments that Cameron felt the need to add. One thing James Cameron did recreate so well though was the Titanic. She looked absolutely stunning in the 1997 movie. So, I'm glad I've got both versions.
That’s rubbish. The greatness of Cameron’s Titanic is the emotion comes first wheras Night to Remember is more of a documentary style drama.
The reason Cameron did not make the film as historically accurate in some ways (most of the film is actually very historical, that’s if you are a big Titanic nerd like me lol) is because he wanted to make the film look more dramatic than it really was (I am not saying it wasent dramatic during the sinking, it is just parts such as it going straight up in the air vertically not slanted so water is colliding on both sides)
Well , remember that the film is how Rose remembers all the things she witnessed and lived as a 20-ish year old girl so yeah, she witnessed things from that prespective.
You're voice is so deep, James Cameron is planning an expedition to the bottom of it.
The reason they didn’t respond to the distress rockets was because the intervals at which they fired them didn’t follow the distress protocol, they were supposed to fire them out once per minute but they only did it 8 times in an hour. The seamen on the Californian were confused
I didn't know the protocol. I did think though that if the Californian really knew the Titanic was in distress that they would have helped.
Not entirely accurate. There was no universal maritime distress protocol at the time, at least with respect to flares.
It was the color of the flares, not their frequency, that ended up dissuading Captain Lord of the Californian from investigating.
It didn't actually say once per minute (that was for explosive reports). The rules of the road stated rockets of any color fired at short intervals... it just didn't specify what a "short" interval is. 5 minutes could be short to some... not to others. Either way, he should've investigated further.
Wow thank you for that footage 👍👍👍👍
While its plausible the blinking light may of been the Californian, I'd have to see the actual source where James Cameron himself acknowledges that. And if it *was* intended to be the Californian. My question would be why there wasn't a scene (included or deleted) showing captain smith and another crew member noticing it and having some dialog about what ship it was.
Another thing, and this is about the A Night To Remember movie...it shows Captain Smith looking at the Californian through binoculars. I was under the impression that there weren't any available, specifically for the lookouts to use.
Matt Canon According to 2nd Officer Lightloller there were five pairs on board: “A pair for each Senior Officer and the Commander, and one pair for the Bridge, commonly termed pilot glasses.”
Matt Canon They had binoculors, but they didn't have them at the time of the collision because of them being lent out to 1'st class passengers....
It`s pretty absurd but for the binoculars on board was responsible David Blair who should have been the second officer, but at the very last moment was left out of the crew. And actually nobody knows if there were some binoculars on board or not and if there were - where. That is mentioned in the autobiography of Lightoller.
You have to remember in James Camerons Titanic film the movie was based more around a womans memories and the man that she loved. She wouldn't have any knowledge of the Californian being on the horizon. Now there is a Titanic Miniseries film with Katherine Zeta Jones in it and you see more about the Californian. That particular film shows a lot more compared to Camerons Titanic.
Californian: Watch out for icebergs!
Titanic: Shut up and piss off!
Californian: *And I took that personally*
It honestly pisses me off that the Californian heard & seen titanics cries for help and decided to ignore it and not come to its aid even know it was the closest one within distance!
They chose to ignore the distress call because they decided they were done for the night there's always at least one person monitoring that system just a sham!
What if it was vice versa I bet you they would have wanted Titanic to make sure that they responded!
CoolKatz57 No they said ‘Shut up I’m busy’
Netwoken Sorry I didn’t see that
@@ScaryIsWeird I understand that but once he got offended by the guy saying hes too busy & to shut up he decided to shut it off and not be bothered for the rest of the night
@@ScaryIsWeird exactly You're not supposed to let your feelings get in the way of your job and being professional
@@187mrsmith he didn't get offended he just finished his shift
Yeah.... now that you see it... you can’t unsee it!!
I checked my copy and i couldn't spot it.
Because your not a sharp eyed viewer
+Andrew Payne 😄😄😄😄😄
cause its not there, it was added later after he was accused of wrong doing for leaving the Californian out... he never intended to include it in the first place
Daniel Louro your copy sucks
Then time for spec savers!
I saw it. And immediately looked up if there were any passing by ships
No it wasn't seen nor cared about in the film, really!!!!!
The Californian is also in the movie when it sends iceberg warnings, then the people working on the titanic say to them, SHUT UP, IM WORKING!
Soon before the titanic hit
ur right man ur right
Louise X you mean jack Phillips?
That was a deleted scene
@@ryanjapan3113 you mean John Philips?
Your voice omg wow I can't even. Love the video by the way. I find Titanic very interesting and enjoy seeing all of the documentaries here on RUclips but damn your voice makes it even more interesting!
If the Californian's mast light is that hard to see - to the point if needing to zoom in to even see a hint of it - then it is safe to say that the Californian wasn't actually included in Titanic (1997). Personally, I think that mast light is just a star.
same, I can't see anything. I think he's digitally enhancing it when he zooms in because I've watched this scene countless times and it's simply not visible.
@@jbl3466 i reckon he's spun something out of nothing for some RUclips content.
Thank you this was very helpful and informative 👍👍
i read a book about this (californian) and yeah, they saw the titanic's rocket but they didn't get close enough nor responded because of the iceberg.
1:35 William H. Macy or his grandfather?
Pretty sure that's a night to remember footage, as I just watched it.
Very good video mate. You have a great narration voice.
An older woman on RUclips who survived titanic said the other ship was less than 9 miles away, she said it was so close she could make out it was a ship, it wasn’t just a flicker of light in the distance
ruclips.net/video/MD5J43Z9AWI/видео.html
When was this?
@@pelsckopoleskoEva Hart
trust me, she was 7 in 1912 i don't think she remembers the details. Californian was at least 10 Miles away from Titanic, only the mast lights were visible, to actually make out the ship's shape it has to be at least 3-4 Miles away which it wasn't.
Actually as you said the California was less than 20 miles away they warned the titanic’s radioman , but he told them to “ shut up”
According to Boxhall, Californian was only 5 miles away. He was in direct contact with her during the sinking.
@@SQUAREHEADSAM1912 No one from the Titanic was in contact with the Californian during the sinking. And modern estimates put the Californian up to 15 miles away.
@@brainstewX read officers Boxhall testimonies then, he was indeed in contact with her, how ever they where to far to ever see what he was saying of the Morse lamp.
@@SQUAREHEADSAM1912 So, in other words, he was not in contact with them.
@@brainstewX he was trying.
The Californian did spot the flares from the Titanic but ignored them. The captain of the Californian had stopped because of the ice field, and they ignored Titanic because of 1. The Titanic's wireless operator had told them to "shut up", and 2. The S.O.S messages were deaf to the Californian because the only wireless operator was asleep.
If the Californian did respond, however, it would take them about 1.5 hours to get there, which is only halfway through the sinking.
I believe the Californian TOLD the Titanic that they'd stopped for the night, and where. That's all the information the Titanic crew should have needed.
needed for what?
needed for what?
Can a person really see 10 miles into the distance? (I know I can't).
If it's completely flat you would....
earth is flat so you can see hundreds of miles...yup prove me wrong please! =)
Yes a light you can, especially if it's a mast light
@@tommmy1313 see new York from 50 miles away? NO
@@littlegamer00 it’s all so difficult “ Science “must be wrong somehow
I can see a island harbor about 40 miles away from the beach
Technically not possible but I do
.. mind spinning 😑
You can see Wearhouse lights from buildings off in the distance when Rose runs away from Cal...the lights are fluorescent and obvious not from that time frame or from a "Lifeboat" because there are 5 all lined up perfectly like they wear on a roof. Whoops
He added the delete scene of the Californian warning the Titanic about the Icebergs, but no the one if he answer or not the distress calls, now I watched three times again, specifically the sinking scene, that is really, really, dodging the issue, if he really wanted he could have added the Californian, both part of the controversy, but no, he just ignore it, because he didnt want to get his hands dirty.
If your talking about Cameron, his movie would have been better if he cut down on the safe discovery in the begining and Rose and Jack,s love and lust story and been faithful to the story like A Night to Remember did!!!!!
@@scottmiller6495 A Night to Remember have a slight issues, no one in the engine room or the officers on deck panic when they see the Iceberg, the watchers give the alert in the most monotone tone possible, but the rest of the movie is good, hell, the BBC even did a reenactment of the trial of the crew of the California that can you see in RUclips, based in the transcripts of the trial, and some added scene, funny, the first mate that was so loyal to the Captain version of the events ended dirty poor, his loyalty didnt really pay off, in comparison to the lower rank officer that actually was honest in the end.
@@TheKeyser94 ,Ok very good.
LORD KAYOSS, Will you do a video about Titanic's Break-Up between Bow and Stern?
The thing is though, one of the survivors said that it was not a light on the horizon and that it was actually a ship and she could fully see it, so I had to be a lot closer than what they say
Yes, at first, but they slowly drifted away.
Yes, and the Carpathia's second officer even confirmed it was the Californian as he could clearly see it.
0:01 finally a video with audio of the best titanic movie (Titanic 1953)
3:21 lmao
That Cameron story is fake. The lights in the background are much clearer than that because they show not only the city lights but the land across from the set. In the following releases the fixed it and removed it. They also fixed other stuff such as guy with bloody nose had bloody hands even before he reached to his nose--they also fixed that. the lights were NOT put in by cameron it was an accident since the camera was pointed at the city. Another scene when Dawson first enters into the high class dining area for the dinner--you can see the camera man following him reflected in the window before the door opens.
I always noticed that ship in Cameron's Titanic even when I saw it first time and thought there was a mistake lol
IT WAS A MISTAKE--THAT IS THE MEXICAN VILLAGE AND THEY REMOVED THE MISTAKE IN NEW RELEASES.. uploaders story that cameron put it in there is fake--he dreamed that up
there's no way you noticed that tiny light, I still can't see it
The titanics radio operator said shut up I’m busy when they sent the message
And then at 11:30 pm April 14 1912 the Californian turned its wireless off and at 11:40 titanic struck the iceberg
that little cluster of lights seems a big stretch away from the Californian
2:41 4th funnel smoke?
the deleted part of the carpathia/calafornia tried to warn them but the titanic crews said SHUT UP!!! IM WORKING HERE
people say that the split wasn't in a night to remember but don't forget the wreckage wasn't discovered
*by accident* until the late 1970's-early 1980's then James Cameron's movie came out in 1997
Wow that light is very difficult to spot.
James Cameron's Titanic is the first to show her breaking in half as she sunk. Older movies did not show that.
well the ship wreck was only found a few years before xD exactly how she sunk even with the passenger evidence was really a mistery so to avoid any "problematic and controversial topics" they never really implemented it. And also though she broken in half she was still attached to the bow hence how the stern went up again which wouldnt be possible like the movie in reality :P since in the movie the ship completley broke off which isnt true. But for the time it was very accurate
Davin Peterson tell me about it
And titanic still didn’t listen when they got the warning
The Californian was 19 miles away from the sinking Titanic.Granted,Captain Lord should have immediately steamed to her position,but I don't think it would have made any difference whatsoever.He did have his radio operator send out a warning to the Titanic,but unfortunately,this was not acted upon.
Try 10-16 according to Lord's own logbook...
Great video, everyone talks about a night to remember being ‘the most accurate telling of the Titanic story’ but there are several historical inaccuracies in there too.
Ikr
It wasn't the Californian that was seen. Quite a few survivors say they saw a sailing ship.